1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land, Always was, Always 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land. Hey Jicks, I'm Zal and I'm our. 3 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 2: And this is two broad Chicks, the show that shares 4 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: life lessons and tips to help make you rich in life. 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: And today we are joined by Sandy McIntyre, the non 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: binary actor, model, TV producer, and content creator who you 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: may also recognize from their iconic fashion and beauty looks 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: on Instagram. Also in twenty twenty, Sandy created the online 9 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: platform Queer Fall, a space to share queer stories and 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: lived experiences. 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: Welcome Sandy. 12 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 3: Hello, research intro. 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: I mean it's all true. Oh stop, just sound clip 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: that didn't have it as your. 15 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: Alarm exactly, be like, I am that bitch. 16 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 4: But as aware of many hats. 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 2: We've got you on today to talk about how to 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: find work as a freelancer, how to lean into your 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: creativity and every day life. But first, before we get 20 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 2: into the juicy stuff, we start with a life lesson 21 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 2: of the week. 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 4: So, as our guest, would you like to. 23 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 3: Kick us off? I would love the privilege and honors. 24 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 3: So I think a life lesson this week is to 25 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 3: be in the present, because I think I personally. I 26 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: don't know about you guys, but I'm constantly thinking in 27 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,639 Speaker 3: the future, what's next, what's NeXT's my paycheck coming from 28 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 3: or whatever? And this past week I've just been really 29 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: sitting with myself and with my friends and my work, 30 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 3: and I'm so grateful. And to be in the present 31 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: is to accept a gift, right, So it's just been 32 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:38,919 Speaker 3: so lovely. 33 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 2: That's a beautiful Do you have a tip on how 34 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: to be present? 35 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 4: Like, what is something that you do to put that 36 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 4: into action? 37 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 3: I have to remind myself constantly, like if I'm going 38 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 3: into a meeting or even today for example, might just 39 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 3: be present, react, listen. I think listening to yourself and 40 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: others is the best way to go forward. 41 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: Do you know what a good life lesson is is 42 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: that if you're talking, you're not listening. 43 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 3: Totally okay. 44 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 5: My life lesson of the week is a quote I 45 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 5: saw and it's basically the best response to have in 46 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 5: your pocket when someone's just really pissing you off an argument. 47 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 5: And it basically was just them saying you're too smart 48 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 5: to have a dumb answer like that. So when you 49 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 5: are arguing with someone or when someone is coming at 50 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 5: you with just absolute bullshit. The best fucking response to 51 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 5: make them feel like a fucking idiot is to turn 52 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 5: around and go, you're too smart to have an answer 53 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 5: like that. 54 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's incredible, thank you. 55 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 5: I hope no one ever has to use it. But 56 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 5: I was like, slag queen, Okay, what's your life lesson? Sally. 57 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: We went to an event the other day and we 58 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: got our hair done and they were asking me about 59 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 2: my hair washing. 60 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 4: Routine, and he asked if I do a double shampoo? 61 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 5: Oh? 62 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: Yes, And I know that this is kind of an 63 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: old school strategy or hack or whatever, but I always 64 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: was just like, nah, it's an old wives tale, like 65 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: you don't actually need to double wash your hair. 66 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 4: And he was like, do double cleanse? 67 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: I was like, of course I do. 68 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: He was like, well you need to. 69 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 3: Double wash whoa? 70 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: And I was like, fuck, so. 71 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 2: When you're washing your hair, you should be doing two 72 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: washers and then the conditioner. 73 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 4: And I felt really dumb in that moment. 74 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 3: But also two break chicks? How does that cost effective? 75 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 4: I know, but it's okay. 76 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: Can I just say this is my moment because I 77 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: actually have been doing that, This is my moment. 78 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 5: Yes, I don't do it all the time. I do 79 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 5: it maybe once a month, Okay. So basically why it's 80 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 5: good is because it can be really hard to remove 81 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 5: the build up of product. So if you use dry shampoo, 82 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 5: if you use hairspray, if you use a hair oil. 83 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 5: And that's why I use like a detox shampoo and 84 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 5: I use that once a month. 85 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, fabulous hair. Here we come, all right, should we 86 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 4: get into the EPs. 87 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: Let's do it. 88 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to talk about this. 89 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 5: I feel like this has been like a topic that's 90 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 5: really been present on my FYP lately of being like 91 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 5: the joy of just like creating or the need to 92 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 5: like create and what that is, because I feel like 93 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 5: sometimes we think of creativity as like a fucking drawing, 94 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 5: like that's like literally the extent of it, when it's 95 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 5: not like it's not sitting down and painting the Mona Lisa, 96 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 5: it's not literally getting into garage band and being. 97 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: Like that's a bop. 98 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 5: So saying what does creativity look like in everyday life? 99 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 3: I mean it's different for everyone, Like you just said, 100 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 3: I look at creativity, especially from my sister in law, 101 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 3: like she is incredible and the way that woman keeps 102 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 3: those three kids entertained daily. I'm like, how do you 103 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: do it? And that's one way. I mean, people can 104 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: find creativity in maths or like working in a core center. 105 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 3: There's different ways you can do it. But for me, 106 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 3: I think it's like being surrounded by life and people. 107 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 3: I get inspiration from conversations. I get inspiration from my 108 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 3: work and the way that I present myself and that 109 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: allows me to be creative on a day to day basis. 110 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 3: And I guess for me to start it with fashion, 111 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 3: as like a kid, I would wear like waistcoats. That 112 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 3: was like my little thing, and I had little glasses 113 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 3: and I thought I was like so proper and intelligent 114 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: and amazing and allowed me to be out there and 115 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 3: be confident to do those creative endeavoritors whether it was 116 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 3: like gymnastics or trauma or circus, And that's like where 117 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 3: it started. But I think now I find the most 118 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: inspiration through conversation. 119 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: I love that. 120 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 5: I think there are so many beautiful ways to bring 121 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 5: creativity into just a mundane, everyday life, whether it's like 122 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 5: a Spotify playlist, like there are so many Spotify playlists, 123 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 5: there's one at the moment that is amazing and it's 124 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 5: called NYC in two thousand and three, stop and I 125 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 5: will link it in the show notes. And by I will, 126 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 5: I means I will and it is truly perfect. There's 127 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 5: also one that's like you're a whimsical goth nineties witch. 128 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: And I might say give it to me. 129 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 5: It's like truly and I think you can literally bring 130 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 5: creativity as easy as setting up a niche Spotify playlist. 131 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 5: Or one that's also super trendy is a color walk. 132 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: Have you seen these? 133 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 3: So a color walk? 134 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 5: So I think you've spoken about them before, but basically, 135 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 5: you choose one color and when you go on your walk, 136 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 5: you look for that color. So let's say you pick blue, 137 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 5: you're gonna walk and if you're doing. 138 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: That, you know the Bondada Bronte baby. 139 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 5: You're gonna look and you're gonna see maybe someone's got 140 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 5: a blue coffee cup, or they're in a. 141 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: Blue active wesset of the ocean. 142 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 5: You know, like you look around a blue car and 143 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 5: you notice, and it means that you're just really really 144 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 5: present and looking around for colors. 145 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 2: But again, I think those things are playing into our 146 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 2: childhood joy even like you said, like your example with fashion, 147 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: something that you've been experimenting with since you were a 148 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: little kid, and gave you that sense of freedom and 149 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: creativity and self expression from such a young age, at 150 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: a point that you probably didn't even realize what that 151 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: was really doing for your self development. But do you 152 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: think that everybody is creative or do you think it's 153 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: something that some people have to actively develop over time. 154 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: I personally think that we all are creative. I think 155 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 3: some people may say, you either have it or you 156 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: don't very much like this style, but no, fuck that. 157 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: Like we are creative, whether it's through the way we 158 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 3: listen to music, or the way that we play soccer, 159 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 3: or the way that we have a conversation or go 160 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: to the grocery store, and how we present in the world, 161 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: Like that is creativity. And the way that you name 162 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 3: your dogs or the relationship that you have with your dogs, 163 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 3: or how you watch films. We are all subconsciously receiving 164 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: information that we put out into the world that we 165 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: don't realize, and that is beautiful and that is art 166 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 3: within itself. And to be creative is to be subjective, 167 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 3: and that's what art is. 168 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 5: I could kick a door if I love that that 169 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 5: even if you're choosing what movie you want to watch. 170 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: That's a creative choice. 171 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 3: Totally. 172 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: You are the creative director of your own life, honey, 173 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: because that's true. 174 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 5: Like I think people would sit there and be like, oh, 175 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 5: I'm just not really that creative you are. 176 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm not there, and you're like, but. 177 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 5: You do it every day, even the way that you 178 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:23,559 Speaker 5: would maybe console a friend. 179 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,239 Speaker 3: Exactly. There's an art of conversation the wather you approach something, 180 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: you listen to and you read body language. How am 181 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: I going to do this? So you creatively come out 182 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: with a way that is going to make the other 183 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 3: person feel comfortable and get the main point across. 184 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think that I think that creativity 185 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 2: is something that you have to be good at and 186 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: that it needs to have I guess, an outcome, or 187 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: that you have created something and that it is good 188 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: and that people will enjoy it. But you could be 189 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: creative by making your own recipe, like if you had 190 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: chili flakes or something that doesn't call the chili and 191 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: you put in one extra clove of garlic. 192 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: That is creativity, you mean. 193 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 5: My Yes, you know what my favorite snack when I 194 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 5: was little was. It was pasta with wisterishy sauce. 195 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: And no one's gonna like it. Don't try it. 196 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 5: I'm not recommending it, but it was creative. Also, barbecue 197 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 5: sauce and cucumbers. What's your most creative dish? 198 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: It's like it can be from when you were a kid. 199 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 3: I was like obsessed with tomato sauce as a kid. 200 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 3: So I'll just have like tomato sauce sandwiches and I 201 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: fucking ate that ship. I loved those disgusting now. I 202 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: mean maybe, but like we. 203 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: Were saying, a lot of people do sort of say, oh, 204 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 2: I'm not creative or I'm just not a creative type 205 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: of person. Where can you go for inspiration if you 206 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 2: are feeling stuck? 207 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: That's a really great question. I think you need to, 208 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 3: as I was saying before, be present with yourself and 209 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: take a moment to figure out what brings you joy, 210 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 3: what brings you happiness, and hone in on that. It 211 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: could be anything. It could be go into soup prey 212 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: and picking out a little miniskirt. That's what I would do, 213 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 3: halla but it also could be just like go into 214 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: the movie by yourself and stepping out outside your comfort zone, 215 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 3: whether that's big or small, and just enjoy those little 216 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 3: moments to bring you back into yourself and understand that 217 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: you are part of this world that we're existing in. 218 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 3: We are matter, but we do matter and that is perfect. 219 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: Yeah. 220 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 5: And also you don't have to be creative all the 221 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 5: time when you put that pressure on yourself, Like if 222 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 5: you have to force it, it's probably shit totally. 223 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: But the thing is, like I work in casting for 224 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 3: those who don't know, within reality television, and the amount 225 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 3: of applications that I receive where people say I'm not interesting, 226 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 3: Like what's the most interesting thing about you? I'm not interesting. 227 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 3: I'm like, that's bullshit, you are, And so then I 228 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: have to have like an hour conversation with them speak 229 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 3: about their interests because they're not used to speaking about themselves, 230 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 3: speaking to themselves that time, because that's what selfish absolutely not. 231 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 3: And so when they do speak about themselves, they open 232 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 3: up and like, oh my god, actually, yeah, I do 233 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 3: love this and I do love that. And at the 234 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 3: end of the conversation, I'm like, well, babe, you are interesting, 235 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: like you. 236 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: Are amazing, and it's so good. 237 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 3: But generally though, and it's so amazing to kind of 238 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 3: get that out of them as well, because they walk 239 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 3: out of that thinking, oh fuck, like maybe there is 240 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: a new outlook that I had that I haven't previously 241 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 3: thought about. And that's because I don't give myself that time. 242 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: So in order to be creative, if you're in a rut, 243 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: give yourself time to figure out. 244 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 5: Do you spend a lot of time on your own totally? Yeah, yeah, 245 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 5: I was gonna sound I'm getting. 246 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 3: That, Fara, I love it. 247 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 5: How did you get comfortable in one like silence and 248 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 5: to your own company, because that is easily one of 249 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 5: the hardest things for like the hardest humps for people 250 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 5: to get over. 251 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: I think because I'm constantly surrounded by people. If I'm 252 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 3: on a TV set, it's like one hundred people at 253 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 3: a time, I'm talking to fifty at a time, and 254 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: I need my solitude to understand how I'm feeling. And 255 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 3: so I think maybe like seven years ago was really 256 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 3: when I started doing it, and it took me a while. 257 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 3: I was like too much of a hermit, and my 258 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: friend's like, come on, sand you got to come out. 259 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: It's been too much. So I'm like, actually not. But 260 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 3: it was like such a growing phase for me where 261 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 3: I understood that it's okay to be in your head. Yes, 262 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 3: I'm anxious, Yes I have had depression. Yes, all these 263 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 3: things that happen in my life that could be deemed 264 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: as horrible, it's okay because it happened for a reason, 265 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 3: and it's okay to analyze that. It's okay to analyze 266 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 3: yourself and your friendships and your family relationships. And if 267 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 3: it's not working for you, then I think that alone 268 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 3: time allowed me to be like, oh fuck, I can 269 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 3: change this. I can have that conversation. And one thing 270 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 3: that I've been instilling in my own kind of brain 271 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 3: is conversation is not confrontation, and it's really helped me, 272 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: as like a Libra san bergermon caprical rising, to have 273 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 3: a conversation that may be difficult, and being by myself 274 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 3: has allowed me to kind of get that courage just 275 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 3: do it. 276 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 5: Even potentially that the conversations you have to have with 277 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 5: yourself totally those are sometimes the most confronting ones. 278 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the only time you can have those 279 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 2: conversations is when you are alone. 280 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, even when you're like laying down doom scrolling, like 281 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 3: you're still thinking about your life or I should do 282 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: this tomorrow, or I haven't done that yet. But like 283 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 3: it's going to be okay, baby, It's gonna be okay. 284 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: I'm kind of on that note as well. 285 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 5: What does the role of boredom and stillness play within 286 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 5: the process of bringing more creativity into your life? 287 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 3: That's so hard because I don't know about you, but 288 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: I find it so difficult to be still and to 289 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 3: be bored. I think you can be perceived as boring 290 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: or being perceived as being still because even like with 291 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 3: social media, I've taken a step back a little bit 292 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 3: in terms of working with brands because I mean, it's 293 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 3: so complicated, but I think it's like I don't want 294 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 3: to give myself to brands or people who are going 295 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: to be rude, you know, and you give all this 296 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 3: energy to this project and that is like thrown in 297 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 3: your face and it's really disappointing. So like, in order 298 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 3: to predict, in order to protect my piece, I need 299 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: to step back. And if I'm being to other people 300 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: still or boring, that's on them, because I'm not. I'm 301 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: enjoying watching white loaders in my bedroom. I'm enjoying drawing 302 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 3: or trying to close and that is all that matters. 303 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 5: And if you don't have those moments in your life, 304 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 5: then it's going to become one note and boring anyway, totally. 305 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 306 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, well we can always have too much of one thing. 307 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: So if you're constantly like stimulated, then you're not actually 308 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: even going to get that enjoyment out of those things 309 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 2: that you do, for example, watching White Lotus or whatever 310 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: it may be, or like hanging out with your friends exactly, 311 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: if you don't have that alone time to like counteract 312 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 2: with that. 313 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think everyone should give themselves alone time, 314 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 3: whether it's like given a war. Yeah, what's really helped me, 315 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 3: it's just journaling. Like that's literally my favorite thing in 316 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: the world to do, whether I'm like writing for someone 317 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 3: else or writing for myself, but sometimes I write for 318 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 3: someone else even though it's for me, And even that 319 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 3: is just like the most special still activity that I 320 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 3: can do. 321 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: Do you know what? 322 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 5: That's such a cool way to look at look at 323 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 5: it is, like maybe so Sabrina Carpenter, she wrote her 324 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 5: album letters or Emails I'll Never Send Right, and as 325 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 5: a form of journaling and therapy, she started writing emails 326 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 5: and because I think journaling can be a really hard 327 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 5: thing for people because they feel like they're going. 328 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: Dear Dairy today. 329 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 5: I woke up and I had I feel like that sometimes. 330 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 5: Or if you read it back, which don't do that, 331 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 5: you're like, who the fuck brot like lose? 332 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: But I think that is such a great way to 333 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: angle it. 334 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 5: Like you're writing it to someone else, you could be 335 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 5: make someone up, be like dear. 336 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: Lily literally rely. And that's been creative and. 337 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 5: Real that if you don't like sitting down and putting 338 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 5: pen to paper, write it on an email, make a different, 339 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 5: make a bot email and just send it to that 340 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 5: and I promise you you'll feel so much lighter. 341 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: But I left it. 342 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, same, that's beautiful. 343 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: And you also work in a very creative industry. Huh, 344 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: So how do you feel like your creativity has helped 345 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: you with your professional growth? 346 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 3: I've definitely been challenged in terms of my creativity, and 347 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 3: that is from speaking. Okay. So I used to work 348 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 3: in The Bachelor, for perfect example, and I was the 349 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 3: date producer, so I would need to create every single date. 350 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: That they're Did you do the chocolate Bathtub? 351 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: No, that was a season before me. So I did 352 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 3: match agnew season with Abby Chatfield and so like I 353 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: did the Drag Queen date if you watch that, and 354 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 3: the thing with Bachelor the Bachelor World, you can't have 355 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: a repetitive date. And even though it's been like five 356 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 3: seven seasons at that time and like twenty episodes per season, 357 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: you think of something new. So that was really challenging. 358 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: New location, new suppliers, new idea, new concept. Yeah. So 359 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 3: like that's the one way of being creative and then 360 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 3: other ways it's just being like through social media, like 361 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,959 Speaker 3: I was able to kind of incorporate fashion in that 362 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 3: and that was so fun. And I think it's so 363 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: interesting when you like evolve as a person, because when 364 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 3: I came out as a non binary in twenty twenty, 365 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 3: it was like I was a teenager again and I 366 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 3: would like lean into what I always wanted to wear, 367 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 3: which was like dresses and have makeup and wear heels. 368 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 3: And there's a part of me that looks back like 369 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 3: I would look back on a photo me when I 370 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 3: was twelve, like, oh my god, that's so cringe. But 371 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: in that moment, my creativity allowed me to kind of 372 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 3: fulfill a want and a need that I needed to experience. 373 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 3: And yes, I still want to experience it, but I 374 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 3: have now a happy medium of how I like to 375 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 3: dress and be not necessarily perceived perceived in the world, 376 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 3: but present in the world. And then if you go 377 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 3: to like writing like I am currently like writing my 378 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 3: own TV show at the moment, like a TV drama, 379 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 3: and it's incredible, and through that it's been like my 380 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: life experiences, but it's a period pece and it's just 381 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 3: fucking beautiful. And the way that my world and how 382 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 3: I see my world has allowed me to kind of 383 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 3: do this, I think that's incredible. And I mean there's 384 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 3: so many ways that creativity has influenced my work. But 385 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 3: I'm just getting started, and I think we all are 386 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: just getting started, and so just pick up what brings 387 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 3: you joy and happiness and implement that into your life 388 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 3: in any way, which way, anyway, which way, how possible, whatever. 389 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 390 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's been the most rewarding experience in saying 391 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 3: that freelance is horrible, Like I recommend it, of course, 392 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 3: but it's difficult, as you would know when is the 393 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 3: next check coming in, or you've done a job that 394 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 3: six months ago and it still hasn't been paid. And 395 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 3: I don't come from money. I'm a camera town girl. 396 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 3: I'm proud of it, and so it's a way of 397 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 3: like hustling, you figure out the hustle, you figure out 398 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 3: how to play the game. And I think in order 399 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 3: to be in the creative industry at the moment, you 400 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 3: need to wear multiple. 401 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: Hats in order to. 402 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 3: Be interesting or to be worthy of a job. And 403 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 3: I understand that, and I know that to be true. 404 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 3: But work, you work it to your advantage, and you 405 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 3: work with the people that brings your joy and brings 406 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 3: that creativity out of you in a really positive way. 407 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 5: I agree, and I think also from working in the 408 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 5: creative industry basically since I got out of spat out 409 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 5: of unique, it is true and it is a valid 410 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 5: frustration point. It's very interesting though, because this has been 411 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 5: a conversation that's been happening all the time and exactly 412 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 5: what you were just saying before that being creative and 413 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 5: monetizing it means wearing many hats. And if you look 414 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 5: at any job description in the creative industry, you need 415 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 5: to know how to do graphic design and marketing and 416 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 5: ads manager and filming and. 417 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: Editing and blah blah blah blah blah and me talent. 418 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 5: And me talent and be interesting and have creative ideas 419 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 5: and have all of these things that as much as 420 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 5: I think that that is just wild and it is 421 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 5: a lot, it also has in my experience equipped me 422 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 5: to be able to run a creative businesiness. Like if 423 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 5: I need to make an EDM, I can with cav 424 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 5: don't get crazy. 425 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: Now, if I. 426 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 5: Need to shoot, edit and post something with a one 427 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 5: day turnaround, I can do that exactly. So even when 428 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 5: we're looking at the creative industry, as much. 429 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: As it will squeeze. 430 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 5: Every drop of juice from you, you will. 431 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 1: Be better for it. Mental health not included, because we 432 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: need to look after that. 433 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 5: I promise you there will be days that you come 434 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 5: home and you're like, don't cry. 435 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: You will cry. 436 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 5: Working any industry, you'll probably cry, but creative pressure pressure. 437 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 5: Because also whenever you get feedback, that's your idea. 438 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: That's It's not like you. 439 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 5: Put in an ROI profit and loss spreadsheet and someone goes, oh, 440 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 5: that math is wrong. 441 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: It's you put in a creative idea and they go 442 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: I don't like it, and you go, oh, okay, that's fine. 443 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 3: It's fine. But that's also when you back yourself and 444 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: you're like, no, I know me, I know my audience. 445 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 3: I know what you want from me, and this is it. 446 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 3: And if you don't like that, then that's okay. We 447 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 3: can like step aside and like not do this transaction. 448 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 3: But I think backing yourself in the creative industry is 449 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: the biggest thing that you need to do for yourself, 450 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 3: Like trust yourself, yeah, and love yourself, my God, and yeah, 451 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 3: just I mean that's the biggest thing for me in 452 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 3: the past twelve months is just trusting my voice, trusting 453 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 3: my point of view, understanding that I am qualified. And 454 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 3: there's like obviously there is so many imposter syndromes that 455 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 3: pop up, but just knowing that they need you more 456 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: than you need them, and that goes through any industry 457 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 3: at all, Like just you're valuable to them and they 458 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 3: need to understand that. No say no. 459 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 5: I mean, we all love a paycheck, So that's fine, 460 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 5: that's fine if sometimes you don't like it, Like that's 461 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 5: going to happen. Sometimes you're going to have a job. 462 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 5: There's going to be creative jobs that are the stepping stone. Yeah, 463 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 5: what's something that you wish you knew before getting into 464 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 5: what I mean, you are born creative and the rest 465 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 5: is drag. 466 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's the trusting myself part because like 467 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 3: I grew up like in the West, where being creative 468 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 3: isn't like a normal thing to do, or you didn't 469 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 3: know what opportunities were out there for you. So I 470 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 3: think just like trusting myself is the biggest kind of 471 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 3: thing that I wish I had from the get go. Otherwise, 472 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 3: like say no, because when you say no, they still 473 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 3: come back money. Then this that make amazing. I should 474 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 3: have done that before. 475 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, true negotiation, Yeah exactly. 476 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 4: How do you know how to price yourself. 477 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 2: When you're working as a freelancer because it's a tricky 478 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 2: thing between you don't want to undersell yourself, but you 479 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: also don't want to overcharge and potentially out. 480 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 3: On the job. Yeah, I think it works differently, Like 481 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 3: if it's an article that I'm writing, I would kind 482 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: of look to a low bre situation for an article 483 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 3: because I'm like, I'm still learning, I'm still I enjoy 484 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 3: it so much, I'm not expected to pay my rent. 485 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 3: But in terms of TV producing, that's been like a 486 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 3: really interesting kind of growth because I was so desperate 487 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 3: to get into the industry. I hadn't gone to university. 488 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 3: I really wanted it so I loadboard myself and that's 489 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 3: how I got my start. But once you start talking 490 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 3: to your colleagues and you figure out, oh, you're on 491 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 3: this and you're on that, and I have more experience 492 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 3: than you and this is really interesting, you start to 493 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 3: back yourself again and say I deserve this amount, and 494 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 3: the worst thing that can happen, like, oh no, we're 495 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 3: going to give you this instead. But it's still up 496 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 3: from where you started. In terms of social media, that's 497 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 3: been so difficult to navigate, and I'm sure you guys 498 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 3: as well. I think my first job, I got like 499 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 3: five hundred dollars for it and I had like six 500 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 3: thousand followers at that time. But from there I got 501 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 3: an agent and it's been the best situation for me. 502 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 3: I'm more than happy to negotiate my rate in terms 503 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 3: of TV industry, but not in the social media world 504 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 3: because they're asking for me and like my personality, my 505 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 3: gender identity, the way I present, and so that's two personals. 506 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 3: So I need someone to do that in order to 507 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 3: get me what I deserve, because you can still quit 508 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 3: yourself like, oh no, I don't deserve that much. Even 509 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 3: the other day, my agent got me a job. I'm like, 510 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 3: oh my god, thank you so much, babe, Like that 511 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 3: is incredible and I would never expected it, you know. 512 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 3: So if you're wanting to get into the influencer space, 513 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 3: get an agent as soon as you can. Ask some 514 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 3: meetings and email is the best way forward. I receive 515 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 3: emails all the time for TV and I'm like, oh 516 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 3: my god, baby, let's crub the coffee. Let's learn about you. 517 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 3: Let's figure out what kind of area you want to 518 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 3: go into, and then we can help you do that. 519 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 3: So if anyone says no, we're too busy, they're not 520 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 3: right for you anyway. So just like continue and be 521 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 3: consistent and figure out And that goes with anything in 522 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 3: terms of asking for the right paycheck, in terms of 523 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 3: getting the right job, in terms of respecting yourself enough 524 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 3: to get the job that you deserve. 525 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think yeah, doing that research and understanding what 526 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: the cost really is for your time and factoring all 527 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 2: of those things in it is a great place to start, exactly. 528 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 3: And you like touch on mental health before, but I 529 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 3: need some money for therapy too, baby, can. 530 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know competitiveness have you ever experienced this all 531 00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 5: the time? 532 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 3: And I think, like when you're diverse and a minority, 533 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 3: you get pitted against the other people who are in 534 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 3: the same like world as you. Fucked. It's so fucked. 535 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 3: And so they were like maybe three years ago, I 536 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 3: was always against my best friends, which is so interesting. 537 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 3: And if I didn't get the job, I never was upset. 538 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, well they're amazing, they 539 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 3: deserve it. But I think the comparison thing is always 540 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 3: going to be there. But what else seen before, Like, 541 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 3: we're all interesting, and we all have a different storyline, 542 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,479 Speaker 3: and we all have a different point of view, and 543 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 3: your chance will come. And it's like I've been in 544 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 3: an industry for like eight years now and only things 545 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 3: are starting to bubble and appear that I wanted for 546 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 3: my whole life. And so you're constantly working towards our goal. 547 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 3: You might not know what that is, but it will 548 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 3: show itself. And so you can't compare because you don't 549 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 3: know what journey you're on. You don't know what journeys 550 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 3: other people are on. You don't know how they're working 551 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 3: or how they want to be working. And so I 552 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 3: think focus on yourself. You and yourself are the most 553 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 3: important people in the room, and that's the way it 554 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 3: always should be. And in order to to be comfortable 555 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 3: and safe and happy, just like, do not compare, I 556 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 3: guess you know what I mean, Like I gets you nowhere. 557 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, comparison is either teacher or torture. Yeah yeah, I 558 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 5: didn't make that up. That was Mel Robinson just to say. 559 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 5: And sometimes it's the kickup the butt you need totally. Sometimes, 560 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 5: like being jealous of someone, it needs to be that 561 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 5: person that is the reason why you actually work for 562 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 5: what you want. 563 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 3: And this is the thing, Like we're all different, and 564 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 3: so there's room for all of us, you know what 565 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 3: I mean. And doesn't matter what your niche is, there 566 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 3: is a room for one person more than one person 567 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 3: to do it. And I think that goes for like, 568 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 3: I mean everything, whether you're a doctor, nurse, teacher, creative, 569 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 3: we all have a really unique point of view that 570 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 3: needs to be valued and needs to be respected because 571 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 3: if you don't respect it, then you get lost in 572 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 3: the noise and the atmosphere and then you just kind 573 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 3: of like, well, fuck, I've paid all this attention to 574 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 3: that person. Yeah, when I've just wasted five years of 575 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 3: my launch, I'm not doing that again. 576 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 5: Someone else's success in creativity does not take away the 577 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 5: potential of your own Absolutely not. 578 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did want to switch gears and talk about 579 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: fashion again because obviously bring it back, because that is 580 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 2: an incredible. 581 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 4: Way to express your creativity. 582 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 2: Do you have any advice for anyone who wants to 583 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 2: express themselves with fashion but is a little bit nervy? 584 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, of course, I think being nervous is 585 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 3: such a gorgeous feeling because it means that you care 586 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 3: and you want to look great, and I mean, you 587 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 3: look great anyway. But I think the best way for 588 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 3: me or how I experimented with fashion is like I mean, okay, 589 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 3: point blank, I would go into H and M's of 590 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 3: the world. I would pick out like the female clothing. 591 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 3: I would always have to go into the male dressing rooms, 592 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 3: which is annoying because I don't identify as a male, 593 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 3: thank you, And basically I would put on these dresses 594 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 3: and I take photos and feel how I understand how 595 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 3: I felt in them and the joy that it brought 596 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 3: out of me. My best friend Caitlin is a curve model, 597 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 3: and she is the most sexiest beautiful woman I've ever 598 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 3: seen in my life, and she makes it work and 599 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 3: I make it work, and we make it work because 600 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 3: we understand what makes us feel good. And if you 601 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 3: feel good, baby, you are sexy because it no matter 602 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 3: how what you look like, you are bloody sexy. And 603 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 3: I fucking love it. Like, bring that confidence to the room, 604 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 3: strut down that broad walk or what do you want 605 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 3: to call it side street, and just own your shit. 606 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 3: And I think that's what we need to do with fashion. 607 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 3: Just own it, just have fun with it. I was 608 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 3: listening to your episode with Jolie Queen and she put 609 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 3: it really beautifully as well. When you have your safe outfit, yeah, 610 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 3: and that is incredible. I love this is my safe 611 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 3: outfit today. It's like Doc Martin's black sox, short shorts 612 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 3: and open shirt. So with fashion, wear what makes you 613 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 3: feel good and just enjoy the process and your style 614 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 3: will change. We're changing and I want to change, you know, 615 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 3: right exactly? I still wear heels and I feel amazing. 616 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 3: But will I wear heels wh I'm eighty years old? 617 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 3: Probably yeah, exactly. 618 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: Who's learned to themselves? 619 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 3: Literally, But just be comfortable and enjoy yourself and be sexy. 620 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: I love that. 621 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: But also those are some of the funnest moments when 622 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 2: you look back on an outfit that you wore in 623 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen and you're. 624 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: Like, bitch, what the fun? 625 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is so tragic and wrong, and you're like, 626 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: that's actually really. 627 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: Cute exact for you. 628 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 629 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you this question as we wrap 630 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 5: up the episode, presentation versus perception. 631 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 3: Yes, So what that means to me is perception is 632 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 3: how other people see me and how like they view me. 633 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 3: I am doing the most to not care about that. 634 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 3: So presentation is how I see myself, and so I 635 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 3: present in a way that gives me confidence. It gives 636 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 3: me joy, it gives me pride, and I step out 637 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 3: into the world and say, hi, how are you? I 638 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 3: have an iced oat LATEI thank you, and it's beautiful. 639 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 3: But like I mean, we can't help up be perceived anyway. 640 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 3: And I think if you are six foot with bangs 641 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 3: and wearing short shots and her is Alex, You're going 642 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 3: to be perceived in a way that is going to 643 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 3: be potentially dangerous. And it's I can't live my life 644 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 3: in fear. I need to live my life for me, 645 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 3: and in order to do that in the most beautiful way, 646 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 3: I need to say fuck everyone else and just enjoy 647 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 3: the process and enjoy the ride, because the way that 648 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 3: I was raised is to do exactly that. Just be you. 649 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 3: There's nothing to be ashamed of, there's nothing to be 650 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 3: embarrassed about. If you want to wear that short skirt 651 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 3: and that beautiful shirt, like, do it, my love. 652 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: If you want to get your hirself, do it every day. 653 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 3: And it's amazing. But I yeah, And so I think 654 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 3: presentation is going to sit with me for rest of 655 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 3: my life because the way that I present is so empowering. 656 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 3: Like you understand. I don't know whether you have this experience, 657 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 3: but if I wear a certain outfit in comparison to 658 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 3: like wearing a business suit, like the way the different 659 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 3: ways that I'm perceived is wild. And the power, including 660 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 3: the power in confidence, is what we should all strive for. 661 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 3: And we all have it. We're all interesting, we're all creative, 662 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 3: we're all beautiful, and that's the main thing that we 663 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 3: should be acknowledging and putting the time in. 664 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: That's so good. 665 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 5: There's this book called The Courage to Be Disliked, and 666 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 5: have you read it? 667 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 3: But I love that title. 668 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 5: It's good and one of the key life lessons or 669 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 5: learnings is it is that basically all of our problems 670 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 5: come from interpersonal relationships. So you're anxious because maybe you're 671 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 5: scared to ask a question in a meeting, You're embarrassed 672 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 5: because maybe your Instagram posted only got ten likes and 673 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 5: you're going to delete it. And basically all of our problems, 674 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 5: which maybe we can't diminish it to this small of 675 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 5: like crux of it, right, but it introduces a really 676 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,239 Speaker 5: interesting note that a lot of the negative emotions we 677 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 5: feel inwardly are due to the perception of others and 678 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 5: what we assume that perception is going to be. So 679 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 5: once you let go of what others perceive you as 680 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 5: and focus on your presentation, is exactly what you're saying, 681 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,719 Speaker 5: that's where like true creativity and happiness lies that. I 682 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 5: was just like, yeah, like when you said that four, 683 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 5: I was like, I like that, Yeah, bring that. Tell 684 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 5: me about that, because you can't control how people perceive you, 685 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 5: and you will kill yourself trying to be literally it's fucked, 686 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 5: and people are going to perceive you as being loud 687 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 5: or rude or annoying or whatever that is, when really 688 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 5: I should have just been focusing on how I'm presenting 689 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 5: and whether I like that person or not exactly. 690 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 3: Because we need to trust ourselves in our ability to 691 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 3: converse and to live our lives and to be responsible 692 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 3: and to make good choices. And I think all of 693 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 3: that is in social awareness. And I think if you 694 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 3: are a female, or you're a fab or amab or 695 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 3: a queer person, we need to understand social awareness like 696 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 3: no other because we are constantly not to be like 697 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 3: it put on a downer, but it's dangerous out there. 698 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 3: And in order to like, I mean, be aware of 699 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 3: the danger, but to be true to ourselves is like 700 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 3: so powerful and never dealt yourself down. Be big, beep, 701 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 3: be beautiful. 702 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: My loves, And that's the key to being creative. Don't 703 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: give a fuck about howyone's going to perceive your creativity. 704 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, because you can't control how people perceive you, 705 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: but you can control how you present yourself exactly. 706 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so beautiful. Yeah. 707 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 2: But to wrap up the episode, we do want to 708 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 2: ask what is your biggest life lesson on your journey 709 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 2: so far? 710 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 3: My god, I think it is trusting myself. Being a 711 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 3: queen kid from the West was torturers and so when 712 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 3: I trusted myself. That's when like the true joy came. 713 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 3: That's when I chose to experience same sex love. That's 714 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 3: when I chose to experience creativity in a way that 715 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 3: fulfilled me. So my life lesson is to trust me 716 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 3: because I'm really fucking special. 717 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 4: City. 718 00:33:54,280 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: That is so beautiful your up. Thank you so much. 719 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: That was amazing. 720 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was incredible and you always have amazing things 721 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 2: going on in the works. But what are you working 722 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 2: on that we can keep an eye out for and 723 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 2: where can the chicks find you? 724 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? So my social media instagram is at Sanny McIntyre Underscore. 725 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate it. And I was just in 726 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 3: this series with Screen Australia called The Crop Tops. You 727 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 3: can watch that on YouTube at Modern Hand And hopefully 728 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 3: my TV show will be out in the world next year. 729 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for coming on. It was an 730 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 4: absolute joy and thanks to you chicks for having us 731 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 4: in the ear holes. We love to be here. And 732 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 4: thank you to m ik Made for making today's episode happen. 733 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: Love you mad Bye.