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Speaker 2: So what happened to this whole You weren't wanted bullshit,

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Speaker 1: It's good delay. It's a dirty trick that the cop

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Speaker 1: a few charges until you're about to get released. I

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Speaker 1: but I was also given an apology ladder. My release

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Speaker 1: date was in like seventeenth of February twenty seventeen. The

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Speaker 1: then I watched the thing on Four Corners about Dylan

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Speaker 1: name's Peter O'Brien's got Peter O'Brian solicitors in Sydney. I said,

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Speaker 1: prepared earlier. You know what I mean Like that? You

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Speaker 1: turn out like me. All out abuse he's suffering will

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