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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Britney Saunders and welcome to Big Business, the

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Speaker 1: place where business is far from boring.

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Speaker 2: And today I'm recording on gaddigel Land.

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Speaker 1: Now, I somehow managed to build an empire from the

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Speaker 1: garage underneath my house and I'm here to share it

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Speaker 1: all with you, from the wins, the mistakes, the challenging

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Speaker 1: times and the funny moments in between. So, whether you're

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Speaker 1: in business already, perhaps you're not in the game at all,

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're just looking for some inspo, or you simply

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Speaker 1: just want to hear the tea, this is the podcast

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Speaker 1: for you. Today's guest is someone who knows the reality

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Speaker 1: TV industry from the inside out.

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Speaker 2: And I'm so excited for this episode.

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Speaker 1: Producer X, because we're hearing from I don't want to

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Speaker 3: Ought.

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Speaker 4: No, this is a different episode than what we're used

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Speaker 4: to doing because we're not talking to a fan of

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Speaker 4: a business. We're talking about the business of reality TV.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Today we are joined by Alexandria Fanelle and she is

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Speaker 1: a media commentator, host and producer who's spent more than

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Speaker 1: fifteen years working behind the scenes of some of Australia's

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Speaker 1: biggest television shows including Married at First Sight, which I'm

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Speaker 1: very excited to talk about, Mastership Australia, Sunrise, The Project,

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Speaker 1: After years of helping to create the shows we all

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Speaker 1: obsess over, Alex has become one of the few voices

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Speaker 1: publicly breaking down how reality TV actually works, from how

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Speaker 1: storylines are built to how media narratives shape what audiences

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Speaker 1: think they're seeing. Her behind the scenes analysis on TikTok

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Speaker 1: the podcast That's Showbiz Baby, where she dives into the

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Speaker 1: wild realities of working in television and the stories that

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Speaker 1: usually never make it to air. Today, we're getting into

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Speaker 1: how narratives are shaped, and what's actually happening behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the industry we all love to watch. And

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Speaker 1: trust me, I've got some burning questions that I want

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Speaker 1: and the experts.

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Speaker 2: Alex, Welcome to Big Business.

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Speaker 5: Hello, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on now. It's been a bit funny

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Speaker 1: how we've got you on the pod. You your tiktoks

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Speaker 1: were just popping up in my fo you page constantly

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Speaker 1: of you talking about Maths and talking about how you

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Speaker 1: used to be Is it a post producer?

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Speaker 2: I'm right correct, yes, And I was.

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Speaker 1: Hooked because you were speaking about how you used to

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Speaker 1: post produce Maths and I guess you were giving the

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Speaker 1: someone to actually work on Maths. And I feel like

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Speaker 1: a lot of your videos have sparked a lot of

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure you can share with us what that's

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Speaker 2: They think of you and Maths in general.

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Speaker 1: But I saw your videos popping up, and obviously we've got,

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Speaker 1: so interested, I guess, not only just to hear about

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Speaker 1: because I'm like, how does someone even get into that

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Speaker 2: What is it like?

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Speaker 1: I can only imagine that it's mentally exhausting. And obviously

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Speaker 1: you've left you've left the industry, right.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't go as far as to say I fully

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Speaker 1: Well, let's start by talking through your career journey, like

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Speaker 5: I studied journalism and my passions were always split equally

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Speaker 5: And so I got this foot in the door opportunity

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Speaker 5: And it was like two days a week and My

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Speaker 5: parents were like, you really went to UNI for this, and.

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Speaker 1: I was like, you got the heck stet just to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thousands, but I was in love. I was just like,

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Speaker 5: I started at Neighbors, then worked my way up at

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Speaker 2: You know something funny.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm just hijacking your episode, but I really

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Speaker 2: You would be great, probably they asked you.

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Speaker 1: No, I've been saying, like we always talk about reality

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Speaker 1: we're always talking about reality TV, and I'm always like,

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Speaker 1: that's my one show I would go on because it's

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Speaker 2: It's easy, it's fun, and I love a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Do you say it's chilling easy?

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Speaker 5: It's hard work. They do. They do push you quite

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Speaker 5: hard because you do yeah, and do those ten hour days.

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Speaker 5: Yea minimum. But you're right, it is like the least problematic.

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Speaker 5: But like that being said, my season was the Mark

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Speaker 5: Holden season where he had a really hectic meltdown on

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Speaker 1: When he was paired with his dance partner Jessica I

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Speaker 5: He dressed up as Bobo the clown and had a

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Speaker 2: And how how long were you doing Maths for? I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I did three seasons of Master Chef, two seasons

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Speaker 1: And so when you're doing that kind of work, is

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Speaker 5: I think the the hectic dynamic. You know how like

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Speaker 5: your next contract is based on how well you do

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Speaker 1: And it's so interesting, isn't it because we all like

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Speaker 1: But there's this whole other side of it, which is

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Speaker 5: That's part of the reason why I started doing my

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Speaker 5: they act like they're the experts on TV, and I'm like, mate,

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Speaker 5: They don't hold your hand.

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Speaker 1: On the topic of reality TV, you probably get this

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Speaker 5: So it's like, oh, they've both got tattoo.

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Speaker 1: So i'm they're judging your work when I'm like, what

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Speaker 5: But you've got to find a reason to justify and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can you actually give us any tea on like

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Speaker 5: But in terms of the matching, I don't work in casting.

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Speaker 5: And then of course you've got your outliers who might

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Speaker 1: So do you think like people, because you know, watching

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Speaker 5: I think that there must be a certain element that

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Speaker 1: Been I found that interesting that like they got matched up.

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Speaker 1: but I feel like, thanks to TikTok, like I still

440
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,679
Speaker 1: know everything, like because I just see little kids. But

441
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Speaker 1: I found that so interesting that when they got paired

442
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Speaker 1: up and like they had their wedding, like she immediately

443
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 1: hated him, but then it showed her interview with the

444
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 1: casting people and she was talking about his beliefs and

445
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 1: saying like, I'm not woke.

446
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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.

447
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 5: How changed.

448
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I could see that then why they paired

449
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 1: them up. But on the show, she's like, oh, I

450
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 1: hate that he's talking about all this woke stuff, Like

451
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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's so interesting and I bet you

452
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Speaker 1: like much like a job interview, you know, when the

453
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 1: casting you know, people are interviewing these mass people. They

454
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 1: could be putting on their best self like everyone does

455
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 1: in a job interview, and then they could come onto

456
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 1: the show and be completely different because they were in

457
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Speaker 1: an interview when they spoke to them.

458
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Speaker 5: That's exactly what happens. That's exactly what happens. You've nailed

459
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 5: it so often. And the people are cast and as

460
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,120
Speaker 5: the footage starts to roll in and we're watching what's

461
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 5: going on in real time. It's like, we thought this

462
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 5: guy was going to be the Prince Charmie, why are

463
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,239
Speaker 5: you doing this? Like this happens quite often and then

464
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,919
Speaker 5: it's like, shit, we thought we'd at least have, you know,

465
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 5: a bunch of people who were good, and then eventually

466
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 5: they do all show their true colors, and it's like,

467
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Speaker 5: how can you really know how someone's going to react?

468
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Speaker 2: They are any.

469
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 1: Experience, it's quite literally like hiring someone, like you can

470
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Speaker 1: interview them heaps of times and have the most like

471
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 1: strict rigorous interviewing process, but then they can come on

472
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 1: board and like it's a few months down the track,

473
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Speaker 1: like their true colors start to show and you're like,

474
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Speaker 1: oh my god, they weren't like this in their interview.

475
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Speaker 1: Of course they weren't, because everyone's putting their best foot

476
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Speaker 1: forward when they're interviewing for something, especially like a TV

477
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Speaker 1: show where they really want to go on it, you know.

478
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Speaker 5: And they'll say and do whatever they can to get

479
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 5: on the show a lot of the time, and they

480
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 5: will like pick up because they're all I mean, this

481
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 5: is a generalization, but a lot of them are really

482
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Speaker 5: keen to get on the show, and they are willing

483
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Speaker 5: and they are willing to do anything.

484
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Speaker 1: Would you say the producers play to that, because again

485
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know if it's because I'm a

486
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Speaker 1: business owner, but when I watch shows like Maths, I

487
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 1: always try to understand like they're behind the scenes of it.

488
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Speaker 1: And would you say that the producers that are working

489
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Speaker 1: with the cast, like they would play into someone that's

490
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Speaker 1: willing to do stuff for TV, Like if there's someone

491
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Speaker 1: that's willing to start a fight at the dinner party,

492
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Speaker 1: do they then kind of egg that on within that person?

493
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Speaker 5: Definitely, because at the end of the day, producers are

494
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 5: trying to get a job done, and if you've got

495
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Speaker 5: someone who's a willing participant to, you know, do your

496
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 5: bidding for you, so to speak, create the story, create

497
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 5: the drama. You're gonna go to that person because you

498
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 5: know that they're willing to, you know, ask the hard questions,

499
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Speaker 5: call someone out. So absolutely, it's like a symbiotic relationship

500
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 5: producers pets, I call them. So yeah, there are the

501
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Speaker 5: ones who refuse and then the ones who are like, yep, yep,

502
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Speaker 5: I'll do whatever you want.

503
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Speaker 1: Because you can see that in the show as well,

504
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Speaker 1: like at the dinner parties when like an explosion comes

505
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Speaker 1: out of nowhere, and you'll see people saying online like,

506
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Speaker 1: surely she's been egged onto say this, so like the

507
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: producers have set her up kind of thing.

508
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Speaker 5: They don't egg them on to be absolute bullies and

509
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 5: a holes. That's not what they're doing. They're the producers

510
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 5: will say, well, if you've got this issue, we really

511
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 5: you know, this is a TV so you need to

512
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 5: bring it up, Bring it up, bring it up in

513
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Speaker 5: whichever way you feel comfortable. And then they go in

514
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 5: and they bring it up and they act the way

515
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Speaker 5: they act. There is no producer that is telling them

516
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 5: to behave like that, though no producer wants that. It

517
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 5: doesn't make the greatest TV, to be honest. And you know,

518
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Speaker 5: with that recent dinner party where it was just out

519
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 5: of control between Brooke gir and there was excessive bullying

520
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 5: that I know the person that edited that episode, and

521
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Speaker 5: that episode was just rife with so much stuff that

522
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Speaker 5: couldn't even make it to air.

523
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Speaker 2: It was so bad, I can imagine.

524
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Speaker 5: And nobody wants that, no.

525
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Speaker 1: Exactly, because then how does that then impact them? It's annoying,

526
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: it produces and everyone on the behind the scenes as well.

527
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's annoying. We just want to get the job done. Really,

528
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 5: when you've got all these things you can't use and

529
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 5: can't put to air, that's genuinely annoying.

530
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Speaker 4: Producer X jumping in here with a question just going

531
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Speaker 4: back to casting as a producer. I mean, I'm sure

532
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Speaker 4: you have people every single year who are desperate to

533
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Speaker 4: get on TV. What are like the signs that producers

534
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Speaker 4: would or the traits people would see in people who

535
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Speaker 4: are who are just desperate to get on TV? Like,

536
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Speaker 4: is there a certain kind of personality type? Is there

537
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Speaker 4: something they say or do that they think is going

538
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Speaker 4: to get them on television?

539
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Speaker 5: So I think the most obvious one is people who

540
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 5: are quite outspoken, confident, and willing to put themselves out there,

541
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Speaker 5: because at the end of the day, you don't want

542
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Speaker 5: to cast someone who then becomes too shy to talk

543
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Speaker 5: about their feelings, their emotions, their sex life. So first

544
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Speaker 5: and foremost it's people who do have that quality of

545
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Speaker 5: being outspoken and comfortable, you know, putting themselves out there.

546
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 5: I think that's first and foremost what people what casting

547
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 5: looks for. Something that I think has happened unfortunately over

548
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 5: the years, was they cast the net quite wide, and

549
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 5: they do want people who are well rounded, intelligent, emotionally intelligent,

550
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 5: and genuinely looking for love. That is what they want.

551
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 5: The problem is, as you get closer to the actual

552
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 5: sign up part and you look at the contract, a

553
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Speaker 5: lot of very sort of more reasonable people, let's say,

554
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Speaker 5: wouldn't look at that contract and be willing to sign it.

555
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Speaker 3: And mostly so.

556
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Speaker 1: True because the way they actually see the reality of

557
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Speaker 1: what they're signing up for. If someone's got a great,

558
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Speaker 1: jumptable career, they've got a family that they don't want

559
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Speaker 1: to disappoint. If they've got a boss who I don't

560
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Speaker 1: know they're currently working with to get the next promotion,

561
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: they probably see that contract and see what they're.

562
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Speaker 2: Signing up to and think, I don't think this is

563
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Speaker 2: going to be good for me.

564
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Speaker 1: Because like over the years, I've seen people go on

565
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: the show and they've been you know, a teacher or

566
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: a nurse or whatever it may be, and let's say

567
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Speaker 1: they don't show their best version of themselves on the season,

568
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: I've often wondered, what is the real world impact on

569
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: that person's life after they've been on the show.

570
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 5: Yes, and so what you're often left with is people

571
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 5: who have nothing to lose, nothing left to lose, or

572
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 5: people who the dangling carrot of fame is so strong, yeah,

573
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 5: that they are willing to bet their entire life and

574
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 5: career on it. And that's a certain type of personality, right, Yeah,

575
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 5: And so that's why you're left with these outrageous, outlandish

576
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 5: people who have I would say quite often problematic personality

577
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 5: traits and problematic tendencies. Because your average person, well rounded

578
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 5: person isn't going to sign up to the show, and

579
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 5: so I.

580
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Speaker 1: Know that will get like the well rounded person like

581
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: not to really use that term, but then they might

582
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: come on the show and then they're the boring ones,

583
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: so they don't really get shown on the show that much,

584
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,959
Speaker 1: or like the couple that's just great like and then

585
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: they don't get as much and.

586
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 5: They're not going to react. They're just not going to

587
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 5: react in the same way because they're just going to

588
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 5: be like, I'm on television right now, I'm on national television.

589
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 5: I'm probably going to behave Yeah. I know.

590
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Speaker 1: I always think that when I'm like watching a dinner

591
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,239
Speaker 1: party or that when there's like drama or whatever, it

592
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: may be, like, I just think, do you not realize

593
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: you're being filmed right now, because I feel like I

594
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: would be.

595
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: So conscious of the fact that I'm being filmed.

596
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 4: I think some of them know they're being filmed and

597
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 4: that's why they do it personally.

598
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, because now it's kind of just being damaged,

599
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 5: hasn't it by all of the cast over the years

600
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 5: coming out and becoming influencers and all that. So now

601
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 5: they all think that it's their shot to become famous.

602
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 5: And some of them think, well, you know, other villains

603
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 5: have become famous too, so I'll just be the villain

604
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 5: and I'll own it. But in doing that, they're just

605
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 5: I think, making a mockery of themselves and I think

606
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 5: it's just abhorrent. And I think Australia is getting sick

607
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 5: of that type of behavior as well.

608
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Speaker 1: I don't think every year like it gets worse and worse.

609
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if I'm right in thinking that,

610
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: but I think, you know, Mass has began to highlight

611
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: more of the bullying and the bad behaviors and the

612
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: toxic behaviors, and like, you know, every time that I've watched,

613
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: I go, I'm not watching that again, but then I

614
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: get sucked into it the next year because it's drama.

615
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: But I do feel like, you know, I haven't watched

616
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: one of the older seasons for a long time, but

617
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Speaker 1: I reckon if we were to go back, it would

618
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: have that little bit.

619
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Speaker 2: More wholesome of a feeling.

620
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Speaker 1: It was still a course have drama, because every reality

621
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: TV needs that drama. But I think it's just beginning

622
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: to highlight more and more like the toxicity that people

623
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: can have. And I'd also be interested to know, like,

624
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: not that you would really know, but where Maths as

625
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: a brand stands with that, and like some of the

626
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: things that they do highlight, like are they proud to

627
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: highlight some of these bad behaviors or you know, do

628
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: they know that it's wrong or do they not care?

629
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: But I mean, you probably can't comment on that.

630
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 5: On behind, I can give my opinion on what I

631
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 5: think is going on. I think that it's a bunch

632
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 5: of people who are producers like me, who watch this

633
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 5: behavior in real time and think, yeah, I'm just going

634
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 5: to show you how you are and you are gonna

635
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 5: cop the fury of Australia and deal with the consequences

636
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 5: of your actions. I also think that at the end

637
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 5: of the day, it's a commercial network, and they don't

638
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 5: care about the ethics of society. They care about people watching,

639
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 5: and they know that people are watching, and humans vote

640
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 5: with their remotes, So if you're still watching, it's still

641
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 5: going to get made so true. So if you don't

642
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 5: want it to true.

643
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: We vote with our remotes.

644
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 5: I like that.

645
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: I haven't heard that before. I don't know if I

646
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: made it up.

647
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: I think I did.

648
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: I don't know the trademark that shit right now, remote

649
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: vote morotes.

650
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: I said, why do we have brains do that? Sometimes?

651
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: And we say words like search it up, Marot.

652
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: Let me see what other questions I've got here?

653
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: Is, Andrew, is anything that you want to ask, like

654
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: from a.

655
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Speaker 4: I would like to ask in terms of and this

656
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: can go for for contestants and for producers and people

657
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 4: work in the show, in terms of like a HR department,

658
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 4: what is the setup there?

659
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: Because I can with all the bully and all the

660
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: drama with the contestants.

661
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, do they get like any sort of you know,

662
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: therapy sessions, counseling, Like what's the back end of it?

663
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 5: Like in terms of human resources? I think in TV

664
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 5: in general it is quite behind every other industry that has.

665
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: Ad That's so interesting to me because I feel like,

666
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: given the nature of some of the things that happen

667
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: on these shows, I would think that HR would be

668
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: at the top of their list and also like resources

669
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: for people to use for assistance if they have found

670
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: themselves in a bad situation, you know what I mean.

671
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, So the contestants aren't actually considered employees. Yes, they're

672
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 5: considered talent and contributors, so the same workplace relations aren't

673
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 5: necessary and correct me if I'm wrong on this, Like

674
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 5: you might have to fact check it. But from what

675
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 5: I understand, if you're a contributor or a guest, you're

676
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 5: not technically employed by the company and therefore the same

677
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 5: HR doesn't quite extend to it. That being said, duty

678
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 5: of care is definitely a big.

679
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 3: Part that would be a Brits relationship.

680
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: With I'm not an employee, but I'm in their building

681
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: right now, But like I can't go to their HATEHR.

682
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: But like Xander is bullying me.

683
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 3: I mean you could go to my bus and say it, but.

684
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: You know I can't hear, so you bully me all

685
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: you want.

686
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 4: Do you think or do they do networks all the

687
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 4: shows have a responsibility or because sometimes the behavior the

688
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 4: contestants display on the show is important, and the backlash

689
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 4: that they could receive because of that behavior is immense.

690
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 4: Is there a responsibility for like the network or the

691
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 4: show to protect the contestants in that aspect, I would.

692
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 5: Say there is a responsibility, and I think the duty

693
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 5: of care is basically mainly production support and then a

694
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 5: little bit after production. But post show airing, I would

695
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 5: say that the contestants are for the most part left

696
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 5: to navigate.

697
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: The and the world by the wrath of the social media.

698
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: Like I feel like they always like have their Instagram

699
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: comments off, and like I feel like in previous years

700
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: they did not post anything themselves on their own social

701
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: media accounts, like it was all monitored and posted maybe

702
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: by the producers or whatever. And then after the show

703
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: was finished, that's when they would get access to their

704
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: socials to do whatever they want with it. But I

705
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: feel like as the years have gone on, in more

706
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: recent years, I feel like the contestants do have control

707
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: over their socials and they're like posting stuff as the.

708
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: Show is airing, kind of thing. I wonder if it's changed.

709
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 5: I think it's evolved, and as with any sort of industry,

710
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 5: everybody has unique contracts, so I think some cast might

711
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 5: negotiate up front. If they already have like a large following,

712
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 5: they they might negotiate up front. Look, this is part

713
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 5: of my business. I'm not going to give you access

714
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 5: to my business.

715
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: Yep.

716
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 5: You know, so there's probably some a little bit of

717
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 5: negotiation in the background. But at the end of the day,

718
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 5: I think the locking down of social media is to

719
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 5: protect the contestant but also the brand.

720
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: I think it all so like it's good to do

721
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: that because of course it protects the contestant from being

722
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: slammed on social media, but also it then like doesn't

723
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: spoil any of the show. But I feel like now

724
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: with contestants, yeah, posting like we're watching the show, but

725
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: it's been you know, six months since then, and they're

726
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: out with their new.

727
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: Partner, and it's like, oh, now I know what happens

728
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: in the end.

729
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: So it kind of spoils the storyline the show as well,

730
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: which I assume would be frustrating.

731
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 5: Like on the pro Genie out of the bottle though

732
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 5: right like, once it's out, it's I think it's hard

733
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 5: to control and what's to stop the contestants from just

734
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 5: getting their own social media, their own instagramming. Exactly, just

735
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 5: get a new email.

736
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 4: Do I mean you've said that, Like it's kind of

737
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 4: up to the contestants to deal with the onslaught after

738
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 4: the fact, But.

739
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: Is there any kind of like training.

740
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 4: Or like support and like, Okay, this is what you

741
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 4: can expect after the show has started, doing like this

742
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 4: could happen.

743
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: This is what you should do in this situation.

744
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 5: Yes, they are told from the start, they have sat

745
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 5: down before they even enter the experiment, and they are

746
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 5: given examples of the worst case scenario and they use

747
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 5: examples of this happened to this contestant. This is what

748
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 5: you are getting into. Are you sure you want to

749
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 5: do this? Like the executive producer is renowned for this,

750
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 5: and she will say you could ruin your life to

751
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 5: still want to do.

752
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: This, And these people say yes, yes, they say yes,

753
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: And I'm just sitting here thinking, like, really, is it

754
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 1: really worth it?

755
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: Is it really worth it?

756
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 5: To some people? It is, Yeah, that dangling carriacter fame

757
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 5: is worth it.

758
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: But like if we look at like the track record

759
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: of you know, how many maps contestants there have been

760
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: over however many seasons there has been how many of

761
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: them have actually come out and built like a successful

762
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: career in media or influencing compared to how many have

763
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 1: been on the show. You know what I mean, it's.

764
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 5: Low on average, it's two or three, right, but they

765
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 5: all have a lot of confidence and self belief, if

766
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.

767
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 4: But if you're going to talk about branding, I think

768
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 4: what happens when people come through these shows that they

769
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 4: have the intention that they're going to start a personal

770
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 4: brand or a business or or whatever it is. But

771
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 4: the public tend to view these shows. They're not taken seriously,

772
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 4: so it almost like dilutes everything that they were trying

773
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 4: to build because.

774
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: They will always be that perfect person from Maths.

775
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, they are, like they're stupid, Like I'm not going

776
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 4: to even pay attention to that, because.

777
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: A few that have like genuinely built genuine personal brands.

778
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: And I feel like Jules is a great example from that.

779
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: She has like a shapewear brand now, and Martha from

780
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: Maths like she has done heaps, like she's done so much.

781
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: So like there is that chance that they can come

782
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: out on top of all of this and I guess

783
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: remove themselves from everything that happened on mass, but I

784
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: would say the chance is a slim to none.

785
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 5: It's also about the strategy and how quickly you pivot.

786
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 5: I think that there's a chance of success if A

787
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 5: you were a likable character. B. It's even better if

788
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 5: you fell in love. See, you've got to quickly pivot away.

789
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: From Maths yeah and go straight onto something else.

790
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then you sort of It's so it's about

791
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 5: that strategy.

792
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: And obviously no one is being coached on that right, Like,

793
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: there's no one there to be like, so this is

794
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: what you need to do when you get out if

795
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: you want to make some one of yourself.

796
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 5: Like they've heard the contestants now hiring their own publicity

797
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 5: and pr people.

798
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: So I mean it's it would be expensive, but it

799
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: would make sense if you're actually wanting to capitalize on

800
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: being on Maths.

801
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

802
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 4: Do When it goes comes to casting pivoting a little

803
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 4: bit here, does social following come into account a lot

804
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 4: or do they just not care what your social following is?

805
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 4: Because I can imagine if you had more of a following, yeah,

806
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 4: and people saw you're on the show. People, you're kind

807
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 4: of bringing people into watch.

808
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: And people get people get like casted for like scouted

809
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: for maths as well, like you get asked to go

810
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: on the show like models and influences and all that

811
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: kind of stuff.

812
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 5: I think it's personality led and they want it. Also,

813
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 5: it's a fine balance, right, you want people who have

814
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 5: a following, but you also don't want people who are

815
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 5: just clearly there to be influenced. So it's a fine balance.

816
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 5: But then again, like why not both you can want

817
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 5: to fall in love and also want to be no.

818
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: Influences aren't allowed to fall into.

819
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 5: Influencers deserve love too. Yeah, so I don't know how

820
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 5: much of a following comes into it. I think it's

821
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 5: like led by the person and their look and their

822
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 5: personality more than anything.

823
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: Well, I think like I could just sit here and

824
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: ask a million questions, but I do want to go

825
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: back to the experts, which we spoke about.

826
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: At this time.

827
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think they're great, but I just like,

828
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, I've just always had this grite with them

829
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: calling themselves experts.

830
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,959
Speaker 5: But I will you know why they're called experts because

831
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 5: they're no because they're not allowed to be called psychologists,

832
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 5: which is what they are, qualified psychologists, but they're unregistered

833
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 5: now because it's not really in the client's best interests

834
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 5: to be in this experiment. So they're actually technically not

835
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 5: allowed to be called relationship psychologists anymore. So that's why

836
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 5: they just have to be experts.

837
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: I will say, though, again, in recent years, I think

838
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: as we have seen more worse behaviors come out in contestants,

839
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: I will say I have noticed the experts aka like

840
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: the producers behind that they have become a lot better

841
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: at calling people out on their behavior. I feel like,

842
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know how many years ago, let's say

843
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 1: five years ago, there would be bad behaviors and they'd

844
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: kind of get called out on it.

845
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: But I've noticed in particular, like especially in like the last.

846
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: Two years, they've really like put their foot down on

847
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: the couch like more. And again that's just an observation.

848
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's actually what they've been doing.

849
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they have, Yeah, which I've thought is good

850
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: to see, although I still think there has been some definite,

851
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, questionable behaviors that probably should have got someone.

852
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: Kicked off the show.

853
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, you.

854
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: Know where I'm like, yeah, it's good to call them out,

855
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: but also get rid of that person. Like if someone

856
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: has gone and you know, punched a wall, take them

857
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: off the show immediately. But am I to say, like

858
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 1: I'm just a girl.

859
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 2: I can't tell the producers and mass what to do.

860
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: Oh good.

861
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 5: They listen to sentiment, They listen to audience sentiment, just

862
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 5: like any media outlet does. They read the room, so

863
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 5: to speak. And so when there was a lot of

864
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 5: backlash and John didn't call it out and John didn't

865
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 5: do this, well, then next season, what's John gonna do?

866
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: He's going to call it out?

867
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: And I have noticed that, like they ramped up then,

868
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: like calling out contestants and instead of just saying, now, look, Jessica,

869
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: that wasn't very nice of you, now they'll actually kind

870
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: of like scold them a little.

871
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 2: Bit, which is disgusted. Yeah, which I've liked seeing if Yeah.

872
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 5: And one thing I have noticed as well is you

873
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 5: know how there's always that speculation of did they say it?

874
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 5: Did they not say it? Now, what they're doing in

875
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 5: the edit is doing a lot of flashbacks referencing what

876
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 5: is being up for debate, because that they bend the

877
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 5: truth a lot, these contestants, and you know, they're.

878
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: Always there in too, there always like I never said that,

879
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: And I'm like, we're literally launching a playback as.

880
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: You're saying that, and you've definitely said.

881
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 3: That you forget what you said. I forget what I

882
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: say every day. Remember you said that, Like.

883
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 2: Na, true, they do forget.

884
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 5: That's true. I don't think they're all outwardly lying, but

885
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 5: I think they exaggerate. They exaggerate what went down, and

886
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 5: humans do that too. But now I've noticed in the

887
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 5: edit they're really making a point of actually doing a flashback,

888
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 5: doing a flashback yeah, which bags which, So now the

889
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 5: audience isn't fighting over whether it happened or not. And

890
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 5: I think that that is really good. But somebody reco

891
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 5: somebody suggested on my TikTok at the dinner party, they

892
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 5: should have that moment of like flashback with on a screen,

893
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 5: and I think that would be an interesting dynamic.

894
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: Like the contestants watching a flashback themselves, yes.

895
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 5: Weekly, just to settle these arguments, yeah, because they fight

896
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 5: so much about did they say do they not? And

897
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 5: that can be a story for six weeks when it's

898
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 5: really there was a simple answer yea. I sort of

899
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 5: think introducing to the dinner party watch.

900
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: Flashbacks, yeah, segment and because don't those dinner parties go

901
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: for like hours?

902
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: Like isn't it like eight hours? Sometimes?

903
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 5: Oh more? More? Minimum minimum?

904
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: And he's a long dinner And can I ask do

905
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 1: they drink the whole time? They only allowed a certain

906
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 1: amount of drinks?

907
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 5: There are allowed a certain amount of drinks, but I

908
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,479
Speaker 5: think a lot of them pre drink and I don't.

909
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 5: And there's only so much you can really do with that.

910
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 1: So and what are they're limited to a certain amount

911
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: of drinks at a dinner party? Like is there an

912
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: RSA to be like there I have more than X

913
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: amount of glass of wine?

914
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there is. Wow, they're not plied with alcohol.

915
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 5: That's another thing that I think is just a miss misconception. Misconception. Yeah,

916
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 5: they're not plied with alcohol. But then long days tired,

917
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 5: they're obviously not eating a lot, Yeah, and then drinking

918
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 5: with a heightened emotion.

919
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: That's you know, And if you're there for eight hours

920
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: sitting at the dinner table with people that maybe you

921
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: hate or your butting heads with, and you had a

922
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: long day already, they're so tired, You've had two wines

923
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: and barely any food.

924
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're gonna crack the sheets.

925
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 5: I would I like, I know all this, but I

926
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 5: know if I was in the pressure of the experiment,

927
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 5: I would crack it.

928
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: It is a high pressure.

929
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: It is a high pressure situation, you know, especially like

930
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: I guess thinking of workplaces as well.

931
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: Like with workplaces, it's.

932
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: A bunch of different people all together working every day,

933
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: and naturally people are going to have clashes in a

934
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: day to day workplace. Imagine being in like a heightened

935
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: environment with a bunch of other loud personalities and use

936
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: it all like most of them allowed personalities. And you're

937
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: spending these long, extended periods of time together in a

938
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: weird situation.

939
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: It's going to make anyone crumble.

940
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 5: I think, are you trying to make your relationship the work?

941
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're trying to manage this relationship with this

942
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: new person that you actually don't even know. Yeah, I

943
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: don't know why people sign up for this, if I'm

944
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: being honest, neither do I.

945
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 5: Well, I do know.

946
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 3: I just want to do survive. It seems really so.

947
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 2: That he wants to go on his survivor.

948
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

949
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 5: Oh that's another that's hectic as well.

950
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 2: That's the follow and I could not I'm not feel

951
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: I could not do that.

952
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 3: I'm fit I could do it.

953
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 5: Yeah.

954
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: Great struggle with being dirty though, Yeah, And I.

955
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 4: Think I have to get laser eye surgery because I

956
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 4: wear glasses, so I think I couldn't deal with that.

957
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: So there's some factors there I haven't considered.

958
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: Actually, there's the physical challenges like them holding themselves up

959
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: on a pole like.

960
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: Above water, and that's character building.

961
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 2: I would be done in two seconds.

962
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 4: No, I've manifested this. I'm going to be on opened

963
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 4: the casting, so I'm going to do it.

964
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 5: I believe in you. I believe in you. But it

965
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 5: is it's brutal.

966
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 3: And I'm not on it for the fame.

967
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 4: I'm on it because I genuinely want to play the game,

968
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 4: and I think my confessionals.

969
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: I'm not going to hold back. I'm gonna say. I'm

970
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 3: gonna say what I think.

971
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, be careful because you've got a great ruin my life,

972
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: You've got a.

973
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 1: Great community, and if you were going on that, i'd

974
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: be Alexander.

975
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 2: Don't say anything bad.

976
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 3: No, I'm just gonna be cheeky.

977
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: Well, alex I feel like I could talk to you

978
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: for hours and hours, and I'm sure there's a million

979
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: questions that I probably should have asked, and I'll probably

980
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: DM them to you later. But thank you so much

981
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: much for coming on Big Business. We always end every

982
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: episode with the tip of the week, and I thought

983
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: we could mix it up with you a little bit.

984
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: Can you give us a tip on number one, anyone

985
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: that is thinking about applying for maps and whether you

986
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: think they should or not basically, and also if you

987
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: have a tip for anyone that's wanting to get into

988
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: your whole world and industry.

989
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 5: Okay, so my tip for people wanting to apply for

990
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 5: maps is don't. Yep valid and people who want to

991
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 5: get into my industry, I think, oh, I'd.

992
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: Also say don't, but you're in the industry.

993
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, No, I would say study and you know,

994
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 5: do your own passion projects as much as possible because

995
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 5: the industry is changing and so you know, there's not

996
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 5: it's not as much as traditional media anymore. So if

997
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 5: you want to make films, nothing stopping you from getting

998
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 5: a camera and making your films. If you want to

999
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 5: make TV, make your own web series, you know, put

1000
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 5: yourself out there online and to build up a portfolio

1001
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 5: would be my advice.

1002
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: I absolutely love it.

1003
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: Well, Alex where can everyone find you if they want

1004
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: to keep up with what you're posting and what you're saying.

1005
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 5: So I've got a podcast called that Showbiz Baby, and

1006
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 5: it's with a former Neighbors actress and it's like an

1007
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 5: actress and a producer discussed the wild world of showbiz.

1008
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 5: So you can find us there or on my TikTok

1009
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 5: Alexandria Fanel or my instagram. There you go.

1010
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for coming on and talking

1011
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 1: to you about Masters.

1012
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: It's so interesting. I think it's like the business owner

1013
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: in me.

1014
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: I'm just always interested in like understanding the behind the

1015
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: scenes of anything that I'm watching.

1016
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's like a side of business that

1017
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 4: no one knows, that no one knows knows about this stuff.

1018
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 3: So it's a bit of a different episode for us.

1019
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 3: But I loved it.

1020
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 5: I love it.

1021
00:45:49,360 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: Oh, thanks so much, Ali, You're welcome. Eight eight