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Speaker 1: Let's talk the Adelaide music scene. And last Sunday I

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Speaker 1: doing a Lenin show coming up. Gary Burrow's good morning, Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Matthew, how are you good?

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Speaker 1: Thank you. We'll talk about the show and a tick

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Speaker 1: and other stuff too, because I've got quite a music

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Speaker 2: Well, well, I've always loved the Beatles as a muso.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think that I would necessarily play Lenin stuff

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Speaker 2: because I didn't know I could actually do it, to

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Speaker 2: you know where you're related to John Lennon and I went, yeah, sure, Grandma,

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Speaker 2: But so we started the research that we went through

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Speaker 1: And related the distant cousin obviously.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know exactly where I sit, although

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Speaker 2: why don't you do a show? So it was him

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Speaker 1: So Oranges and Lenon's that's where that came from.

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Speaker 1: How about that? Okay? So I still actually I'm just

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you've done quite a bit. You've got a pedigree

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic. So tell me about the Beatles side of it, now, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, amazing. Where do you reckon Adelaide music? Is

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Speaker 1: Well it's your roots, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's completely different. So social media does that

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Speaker 1: British Workingmen's Club, that seems a good place to put

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Speaker 1: the name of the show, The Love for Love of Lenin,

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Speaker 1: For the Love of Lennin. Yep. It's on Saturday the first,

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Speaker 2: They can call a club if they want to and

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Speaker 2: they can't get tickets that way. And it's it's one

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Speaker 2: people are dancing on the huge darts floor and people

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Speaker 1: Do we need then one banned venue place that every

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it could, but I think if you had every

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: But look, I think way back when we think about

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Speaker 2: Pinocchio's or the twenty plus Club or the Oxford Club.

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Speaker 2: They are in venues or they are in pubs later on,

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Speaker 2: because they weren't in pubs in the early sixties and

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Speaker 2: people got used to those names and the sort of

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Speaker 2: of gone. Now now we're saying the Tomsley Hotel or

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Speaker 2: the Finden Hotel and there's no connotation, there's no attraction

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Speaker 2: to their types of bands or entertainment anymore. I think

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Speaker 2: that's something that could come back and would be popular.

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Speaker 1: Needs a good marketing push, that's for sure. Gary Great

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Speaker 1: chatting with you today and meeting him on air this

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Speaker 1: time as opposed to backstage, and I hope it goes well.

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Speaker 1: So Saturday week Tomorrow week at the Marquee Room in

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Speaker 1: the British Workingmen's Club at David Street, Wingfield. Tickets at

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Speaker 1: try booking. Show starts at eight pm. Mills are available.

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Speaker 1: It sounds good, sounds a good night.

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Speaker 2: And can I tell you that we've got a fantastic

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Speaker 2: lineup of musicians. Three girls in the band. Trudy Harrison

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Speaker 2: So it's a little bit of a different approach with this.

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Speaker 2: Three guys. Simon Lee guitarist for this band and for

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Speaker 2: a great lineup and I've included a couple of songs

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Speaker 1: And what are you doing on the night?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm playing the Lenin Show and not drums. I'm

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Speaker 2: playing guitar. But there's a variety of songs, rock and

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Speaker 2: rolly type songs. There are some songs that Lenin loved,

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Speaker 2: his version, you hear him say in the beginning, Rosie,

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Speaker 2: wherever you are in the world, I send you all

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Speaker 2: my love. This is one of my very most favorite

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Speaker 1: That's magnificent love. That all right? Go along see Gary

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Speaker 1: and his band Love of Lennin the show British Workingmen's

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Speaker 1: Club tomorrow week eight pm Marque Room at at the

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Speaker 1: club there and divers strate at Wingfield. Gary lovely meeting

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Speaker 1: you again, Gary Burrows, I guess