WEBVTT - #2142 The Nervous System Reset - Jessica Maguire 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:02.800 Oh good a team. It's a bloody you project, Craig, 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:06.760 Anthony Harper from the Thriving Metropolis and Melbourne Geez Winters. Here, 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:11.000 isn't it? Love it. I'm excited about the day ahead, 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.040 but I'm very excited about the hour ahead because I'm 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:16.200 going to be straight up and honest. Most hosts wouldn't 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:18.920 do this. They'd go, oh, I've watched this woman from Afar. 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.200 She's amazing. I didn't know who she was, but now 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:25.079 I definitely do. And it's my bad and I've been down. 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.120 I don't know if this is appropriate to say, but anyway, 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:31.520 Jessica Maguire rabbit Hole for the last twelve hours, eighteen 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.080 hours since probably a state of lunch. It's eight in 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:37.040 the am here and as I said to her off 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.920 here before we started, straight up smarty pants. So smarty pants, 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:42.919 welcome to the show. How are you? 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:46.320 Thank you so much? Craig. That is the best intro 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.280 I've ever had to a podcast. I well do it. 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.440 That's it. Let's wrap up. It's been great everyone that 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:58.640 was Jessica. You projects see you tomorrow. Yeah. Well, it's 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.240 good to have fun, right, It's good to be able 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.480 to share our thoughts and stories and knowledge in a 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:09.080 way that's resonant with the folk. Before we start talking 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:11.679 about your stuff, tell us a little bit about you 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:13.920 so we can figure out who's talking at us. 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:18.119 Yeah. So, as I confessed to you at the start, 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:23.880 I am a huge nerd. But I have had a 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.400 few years of study under my belt, a couple of degrees, 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.760 a bit of post grad stuff, but probably learned the 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.800 most about the work that I do from my own 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:40.200 personal experiences and loss and life. So I try to 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:45.080 connect what I teach to the human experience rather than 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:50.000 just the science, because I believe this is the most 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:54.080 transformative work that we can do, and it you know, 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:58.720 it's at that intersection of emotion, mental health, and physical health, 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:02.480 and that's the space I absolutely love. So I teach 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:07.600 people all about nervous system regulation. But I'm also a mother. 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.400 I've got a two year old daughter, which has taught 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.560 me a lot about myself and my own nervous system 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:19.720 and the power of coregulation. And that probably sums me 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.440 up and my life at the moment, which is very full. 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.359 Is there extra pressure because you're you and you tell 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:31.280 the world how to get it shit together? You go 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:35.480 I really better have my shit together, because you know, 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.000 it's like, if you can't walk the talk, or at 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.880 least look like you walk in the talk, why would 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:42.639 I listen to you. 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:47.760 I'm very honest and say that no one is perfectly 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:52.520 regulated all of the time, including me. And you know, 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:57.320 I think self regulation that we hear a lot through 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:01.880 social media and other platforms, isn't nes necessarily about calming 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:07.799 down and being this zen person. It's actually about how 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:12.560 we listen inwardly to our voice, and we use those 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:17.760 messages to help manage our physiology, our emotions, and sometimes 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:21.000 we need to get angry, sometimes we need to get 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.280 up and make a decision about something. So I think 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:28.840 it's really about using our nervous system and it signals 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.920 as a way to guide our life and live really well. 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:35.160 And sometimes that's messy. It's definitely not about being a 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.280 calm person one hundred percent. 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.080 I always tell people if if you wait until love 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.040 got all my shit together before I teach you anything 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.880 or talk to you, you'll never hear from me, right, 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:50.560 because I definitely don't and I definitely won't as in 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:55.119 all right, I think I'm a slowly improving work in progress, 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:59.080 but I actually think that as you know, as an 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:04.160 educator or or a motivator or a scientist or an 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:09.200 author or whatever space you're operating in, the more ground 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.440 that you are and the more that you talk within 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:15.720 reason about your stuff and your challenges and your fuck 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.120 ups and failures and triumphs, the more people lean into you, 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:25.000 because people connect with you, and people people relate to 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.479 you and see a bit of you in them or 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:32.359 you in them when you're talking about the challenge, the 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.160 challenges that you had and probably continue to have. 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.640 Yes, And it's so funny you say that. Great, because 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:42.360 one of my biggest challenges has actually been sharing my 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:46.200 personal stories. And my book came out in twenty twenty 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:50.440 four and the publishers said, you know, we'd really like 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:54.640 you to share more about what led you personally to 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:58.839 this work, which meant sharing stories that I felt didn't 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:03.960 just belong to me, longed to my family. So my 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:08.880 older brother had died eight years prior to that by suicide, 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:12.080 but I'd also lost my younger brother when I was four, 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:17.760 and so that's probably what drew me to this work 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:22.720 and allowed me to understand the experience that my patients 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:27.320 had gone through. But it took me up until it 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.120 took me eight years after my brother died to publicly 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:33.120 feel ready to share his story. But a large part 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.360 of that was respect for the rest of my family 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.160 as well, and for my brother. You know, it's his 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:42.760 story too, So with the permission of my family, I 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.560 did share that experience, which resonated with a lot of people, 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.440 and I think it connected with them with me as 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.080 not just the educator or the scientist, or the health 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:57.520 professional or the clinician, but also the person who knew 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.719 what it was like to lie awake it with insomnia. 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:07.000 You know, I got gastro intestinal symptoms after Samdar, and 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:08.920 then I had times where I couldn't get off the couch. 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:13.400 So I've been to those places as well and experienced 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.919 the impacts on my nervous system. So it's still what 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:22.040 keeps me coming back to this work over and over 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.440 with such a clarity and a belief and a conviction 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:27.960 that this is what the world needs right now. 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:36.679 I love that intersection of real world life, experiential, hands on, messy, 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:43.800 painful learning and academic learning, you know, study research, and 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.799 I've you know, like I said to you before we started, 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:54.840 I'm just finishing my PhD in psych and it's been great. 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:59.200 It's interesting obviously, you know, when you do a PhD 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.039 or whatever, you're studying like a drop of water in 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.599 an ocean of stuff, right, So you're not actually studying 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:08.440 the ocean. People go, oh, you're whatever. I go, yeah, 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.520 but not really, like you're studying something so small in 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:17.360 the overall field of psychology or whatever it is that 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:22.840 you're studying whatever area of research. But I've learned infinitely 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:29.840 more building businesses, talking with audiences, teaching classes, training, I 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.440 set up the first personal training center in Australia and 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:37.160 had gyms for twenty five years, like talking to thousands 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:41.560 of people like I did Jessica or I did over 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:45.520 fifty thousand personal training sessions, just me, not my team, right, 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:51.480 So fifty thousand hours of conversations like that is the longest, 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:55.160 biggest PhD of all time. And you just learn so 0:07:55.440 --> 0:08:00.880 much being with people and listening and hopefully not judging, 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.880 but just trying to be aware and trying to empathize 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.080 and understand. And all the academic stuff is great, of course, 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.720 but I love that intersection of both. 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.400 Me too. Yeah, And I love hearing you say that 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:19.120 I think there's something about almost being in the trenches 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.160 with people and it's like you do your time first, 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:24.800 so we probably get the same in that way where 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.720 you know, at fourteen years in clinic with people and 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:33.000 it was one to one sessions, a lot of post 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.439 traumatic stress disorder, a lot of anxiety, a lot of depression, 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.720 but a lot of chronic illness. That's who I ended 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.240 up working with, which you know, I really enjoyed it, 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:51.080 but from a deep understanding, I always felt like I 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:54.600 feel like I'm working with an iceberg of what's above 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:56.880 the water, but I'd really like to get to what's 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:01.320 underneath the water. And that was that utation of emotion 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:05.880 and the physical. But it led me to a lot 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.839 of the work I do now, which is in understanding 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:13.199 this process called inter reception, which is how our brain 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:17.400 and body communicate, especially body to brain, and we also 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.880 call it our eighth sensory system. So it's very much 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:27.839 involved with instinct, maintaining homeostasis or balance between our systems. 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:33.199 But since at the seat of self regulation, emotional regulation, 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:40.480 and I love now teaching that work of understanding bodily 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:44.960 signals with accuracy, not just the pecision making, but for 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:49.600 keeping that homeostasis and we see that changes for some 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:54.840 people in their life through difficult situations, which that's what 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.000 I was seeing in my clinics. So it was some 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:02.840 people were depressed, shut down. There was apathy and flatness, 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:06.959 and it was like the volume of their signals from 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.360 their body had been turned down and they couldn't hear. 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.319 But then you had people who'd been through situations where 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.280 they were left with like a hyper vigilance or an anxiety, 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.240 and it was like the volume was cranked up on 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:23.160 the moment. So there was a part of me that 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:28.160 had an intuition that there was something more in this 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.160 space that I needed to work in many years before 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.120 I went into that, But it was because we were 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:40.800 separating emotions from physical symptoms, and body and brain were separate. 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.880 Like people go to see one person for their brain, 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.040 one person for their gut, one person for their sore shoulder, 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:52.920 someone else for medication, and it just becomes like this 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:57.200 disconnected way of looking at who a person is. And 0:10:58.040 --> 0:10:59.920 I struggled with that as a clinician. I was like, 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.440 there's got to be a better way to work with 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:06.040 people who are really struggling than this, And that's what 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.880 has led as well that just being very curious about 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:13.400 how could this empower people more with either knowledge or 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:18.400 resources that they could use themselves to help change the 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:20.280 way that their brain and body were responding. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.520 I love that. I love that he's a Craig theory, 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:31.120 totally totally unproven. So we've been around allegedly for about 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.640 three hundred thousand years, depending on whether or not you're 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:38.320 which path you go down. More recently, they've said as 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:44.360 a kind of thinking operating, you know, modern man slash 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:49.280 woman and figuring stuff out and building shelter and cooking 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:53.160 and growing and agricultures only ten thousand years old, I think. 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.800 But anyway, I feel like for most of the evolutionary 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:01.400 timeline of humans not I feel we didn't have a 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:05.000 lot of the shit we currently have, right, And I 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.680 think over time we've become more and more disconnected from 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.720 our body, like unaware of what our body because our 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.480 body is always talking, right, biofeedback and as you said 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:21.640 in terrorception and trying to like very unscientific, But I 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.160 talk about building a relationship with your body so you 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.120 get to know it, because it's always trying to tell 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:32.040 you something, right, And when you think about like a 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.719 person is one thing, not a multitude of things. But we, 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:41.280 especially in different disciplines and research, we go, oh, over 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:45.600 here is psychology, and then over here is like, oh, 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:49.720 the emotional system, and then overhears the body, and then oh, 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.320 there's the brain that drives all of that shit right, 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:56.000 and then then it's like, no, dude, it's one system. 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:01.040 It's like the human system, and nothing is operating in 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:08.200 complete isolation. Nothing. Everything's integrated and that, you know, it's 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.520 like that old chestnut. You have a thought that something's 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.280 going wrong or bad, or you're in danger, but you're not. 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.320 You're safe, but your body doesn't know it because your 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.400 body believes the thought. And now your heart rates up 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.640 and your blood pressures up, and you're producing all these 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.840 things and sympathetic nervous systems going nuts despite the fact 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:29.600 that there's no threat, no danger and you're safe. But 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:34.920 because your brain and your mind isn't disconnected from physiology, 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.560 that happens despite the fact that your story is untrue. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.400 And knowing that is a especially with things like and 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.920 knowing this isn't solving it, but especially things like anxiety 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:52.000 and overthinking and rumination and self regulation. It's so important 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:55.679 to understand that I think that integrated relationship. 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:03.000 Yes, and it's I completely agree with everything you're saying, 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.480 and find that this has been a missing piece even 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:11.200 for practitioners or coaches or health professionals. You know, it 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.920 feels like a piece of the puzzle is missing because 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.680 if you work more so with the cognitive or the brain, 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:21.720 or you do coaching, or you use language, then the 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.080 body is missing. But if you're working as a body 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:29.840 based therapist, you know, using manual therapy, you might be 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.160 a pilate's instructor, and you connect people with their body, 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.200 then it almost feels like, well, you know, I'm missing 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.840 the piece to work with thoughts and language and narrative. 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.160 So I think that's a frustration that I hear all 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:50.600 the time from our students, but we have separated this 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.480 is like, well, this is a mental health problem. But 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:58.200 what's interesting is we know that most of the communication 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:03.360 of the nervous system, particular when we're experiencing anxiety or 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:07.440 when we're really depressed, it is better if we're working 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:12.560 with that information that the brain is receiving from the body. 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.760 We see that language and mindset work falls short. You know, 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:21.640 we can't positively think our way out of those really 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:25.920 strong loops of rumination. That's a really challenging thing to do. 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:29.359 So I think there's a piece where people are recognizing 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:34.360 we need a new way of supporting ourselves or supporting 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:38.240 others who are disregulated. And yes, there's a place for 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:43.000 mindset work, there's a place for being positive, but that's 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:47.880 after we've come to a more regulated place. And so 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.280 I think, you know, having a bit more of a 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:55.200 sophisticated approach to whether it's the nervous system or how 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.280 we integrate the way that we work as like coaches, clinicians, 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:03.600 practitioners is important. And then to be able to educate 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:07.040 our clients or our patients on that too so that 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:11.360 they can continue to support themselves. And what I think 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:15.440 is the most interesting piece is when we look at 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:20.440 the science of how the body and brain operate, so 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:25.160 much of it is done through prediction. So I've actually 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.720 just come to San Diego here in the US, and 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.120 I've been learning to drive on the right hand side, 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.680 and I'm in the car on the right hand side now. 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:42.440 It was so challenging and so uncomfortable to do that. Initially, 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.560 it took so much focus and I'd be walking around 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.120 to the wrong side of the car having to you know, 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:50.360 try and get in the car, and I'm on the 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:57.280 wrong side anyway. But beside all that, eventually it became 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.200 automatic and I didn't have to think about it. It 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.840 was then my brain and body would predict, oh, this 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.399 is what's going to happen. And that's really the way 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:10.199 that we can support people who are experiencing, you know, 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:14.680 heightened levels of dysregulation or getting stuck in repeating these 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:19.480 same patterns throughout their life, whether that's in relationships, you know, 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:25.320 how they attach, whether it's holding themselves back from work opportunities. 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.879 You know. Even like for me, that ability to put 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:34.520 myself out there, I found that a real challenge. I'm 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:38.160 not the person who likes to, you know, really tell 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.320 everybody the stories of my life. But I think we 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:46.240 have the capacity to learn new things, to change ways, 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.000 and that's really where our growth is at, whether that's 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:53.679 recovering from a traumatic event or it's you know, I 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:57.159 want to perform at my best. It still operates in 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:00.119 the same way with the brain and the body, in 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.000 the way that they work. 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:06.240 Yeah, that's fascinating. How long did it take you from 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:10.200 feeling totally alien, wrong side of the road, wrong side 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.480 of the car, like changing the gears with your left 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:16.320 hand or no, your right hand, no your left hand, 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.560 or moving the stick shift or whatever. It was right 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:23.520 between that and somewhat normal. What was that timeframe? 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:29.080 I'm going to say the first two weeks were really uncomfortable, 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.560 you know, like I couldn't have my daughter in the 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:33.760 car because if she was yelling, I wouldn't have been 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:37.159 able to concentrate properly, like no music, just focus. And 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:42.679 then by the fourth week I was more confident, and 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:46.040 then I could almost drive with that a little bit 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.040 of a zone out last week, you know, where you 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:51.640 were just on autopilot. So I think I think if 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:53.600 I was going to say how long it would be, 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:55.280 I would give it another week, So that would give 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.120 it six weeks that it would be in that timeframe, 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:02.040 which kind of aligns right with neuroplasticity and how we 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:06.040 change as well. So yeah, it was it was a 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:11.560 really interesting experience to relearn how we do actually change. 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.359 Okay, can we get a little bit semi nerdy for 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:17.600 a moment. I just want to recap one or two 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.920 things for our listeners. A lot of my listeners take notes. 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:26.040 So can you just give a a Jessica version definition 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:27.840 of interoception again. 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:32.679 Yes, I would love to. So we know our five 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:39.200 senses of site, sound, touch, smell, and taste, but inter 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:43.720 reception is another one. So we we some say it's 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.840 our sixth sensory systems, some say it's our eighth. But 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:52.320 this is the sense of our internal bodily signals. Now, 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:56.280 some of it is outside of our conscious awareness, like 0:19:56.359 --> 0:20:00.040 this is like our blood pressure changing. We don't feel it. 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:04.440 It's digesting food, we don't necessarily feel that. But some 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.119 of it will be very aware of, like butterflies in 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:10.800 our stomach, or that sense of tightness in our chests 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:18.760 when we're really anxious. So inter reception is the foundation 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:22.840 of our emotions. Now there's not this one part in 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:26.040 the brain where we have anger or one part where 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:30.040 you know we have something else. It's actually the way 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:34.480 that our two or more bodily signals are sending messages 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.280 to the brain, and then the emotion is a whole 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:44.800 brain experience. So our ability to accurately interpret those signals 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:50.960 will govern our ability to self regulate. And this could 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:54.919 be as simple as oh, my throats drup Oh, I 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:58.040 feel a bit spacey, I'm dehydrated. I'm going to go 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.520 get a drink. We return to home stasis. But it 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:08.000 could be something as complex as I'm miserable in my job. 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:12.399 I'm feeling this sense of dread or I'm feeling this 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:14.960 sense of the truth is I don't want to do 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.480 this job or whatever that might be, you know, and 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:21.160 the action I need to take is it's time to change. 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:26.879 So the more accuracy we can read those inter receptive signals, 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:30.399 the more agency we have, the more we're empowered to 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:33.400 know what it is that we want and make those 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:39.000 decisions that really support our physical needs but also emotionally 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:40.560 what it is that we need as well. 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:45.760 Isn't it amazing that our biological, our bodies awareness precedes 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:46.920 our minds awareness. 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:51.000 I'd love it, you know. And it's like it's like 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:54.440 the older I get, the more there's just these signals 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.720 that are like, hey, hey, you've been here before. Don't 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:01.679 ignore this, and you know, I learn the hard lessons 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:03.879 when I don't listen to it and try and we 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:08.160 try and rationalize away sometimes these bodily signals, when there 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:12.240 is often an accuracy. I think the interesting part is 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:15.920 on the flip side. When we get triggered, those bodily 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:20.600 signals feel so loud and so chaotic that sometimes they 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:24.000 run the show. So this is where it's our ability 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:30.240 to listen and maybe do something that supports ourselves before 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:34.280 we act. That's also incredibly helpful when it comes to interception. 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:38.480 I feel like sometimes we have a feeling or some 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:46.280 kind of note from our interroceptive capacity. That's the wrong words, 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:50.479 but you know what I mean, But that feeling that 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:54.320 we're getting about, hey, we're like, no, fuck that, that's terrifying. 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:58.399 Go away, I'm going to watch Netflix, right. I feel 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:01.600 like there's a lot of fearful some people around these 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:07.159 signs and signals and this call it intuition whatever, and 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:11.520 so we we want to kind of be more aware 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:15.040 of what our body is telling us. But sometimes it's 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:20.320 telling a shit that's terrifying, and that kind of navigating 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:23.800 that because we don't like being scared. We don't like 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:27.200 danger or threats, and you know, we don't like hard 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:31.160 or uncomfortable. I'm generalizing here everybody, but you know, so 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:34.560 we quite often push that away and do the metaphoric 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:36.879 la la la, fingers in the ears I'll get to 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:37.359 that later. 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:41.680 Yes, it's very true. And I think this is we're 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:45.560 having some way of connecting to ourselves each day to 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:51.400 you know, have enough quite to listen accurately is so important. 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:52.800 And I mean it can be at the gym, it 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.400 can be on a walk, it can be just something 0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:58.840 where we are able to take that time to connect. Now, 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:03.439 I've you know, I've taught. We've had like twenty thousand 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:05.920 people go through our programs, so I've seen this again 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:10.800 again with people changing. But sometimes there's an initial process 0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:15.560 where people have to recognize the truth, you know, of 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:20.480 this is the reality of my situation because there has 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:23.040 been a denial and the body, or there's messages or 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:26.640 the inter receptive signals have been saying this isn't right anymore, 0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:30.159 or this isn't what, this isn't in line with my 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:36.560 deepest values. And yes, we can deny for sure, but 0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:42.399 in time the problem becomes larger and larger. But I 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:47.000 think sometimes when we start to connect to bodily signals 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:50.080 or there's a new awareness and we get deeper insights, 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:53.640 some things do fall apart and there is a grieving 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:58.960 process in that, but in time it allows us to 0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:02.720 live our life life that we are, you know, really 0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:05.960 connected to our deeper values and what's important to us. 0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:09.720 So it's not the easy path. And I you know, 0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:12.680 we hear so much about just for your feelings. Oh 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:15.520 my goodness, if only it was that easy. I think 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:21.359 a lot of a lot of good decisions are made 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:26.119 when we are able to listen to those uncomfortable signals 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:29.320 and stay with them. You know, we can listen and 0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:33.600 stay Okay, this is the reality of my situation. I'm 0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:36.240 not going to put my fingers in my ears, but 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:37.800 I'm also not going to rush off and try and 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:40.320 do something else to make myself feel better in the 0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:45.040 short term. I'm going to wait until it's clear what 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:48.200 the decision is. And you know, we said this about 0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:52.439 we've both obviously had times with business for ourselves as 0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:57.000 clinicians or coaches, but I think for me that's been 0:25:57.040 --> 0:26:01.359 an ongoing training ground for this is our comfortable This 0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:05.440 is hard. I don't necessarily know what to do. I'm 0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:10.000 going to sit and listen, and sometimes listening means okay, 0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:11.720 you need to ask someone for help on this. You 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:15.280 don't know enough. So it's just having that compass that 0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:18.760 shows shows us the next step to take, and a 0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:21.040 lot of the time it's sitting with what's uncomfortable. 0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:26.439 Yeah, it's so many of us know so much, and 0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:31.080 even on a really fundamental level. And I'll put up 0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:35.879