1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: On scorns Ostrodia. This is the Wider Panalty Show. 2 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Paney Show. 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 3: Coming up tonight, Britney Higgins forced to pay. 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: Former Boslanda Reynolds legal costs. 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 3: Lawyer Sam Macedoni will break down the latest developments. 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 4: C J. 7 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 3: Pearson has the latest from the US, including the fallout 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 3: from the horrific murder of a young woman that has 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 3: sparked heater debate on race and violence, and later in 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 3: the hour we'll look at Wikipedia's corruption of information. Ashley 11 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 3: Rinsburg will explose the latest assault on freedom of information 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 3: and Left He's losing it. Tonight features a clash between 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson and billionaire Mark Cuban. 14 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 5: How much money have you sent to Ukraine? 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 6: None? 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 7: Oh? 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 5: So what do you mean by we? You're the one 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 5: who's family's from Ukraine? Like, why don't you send them 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 5: a million dollars? 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 3: Let's bring in it sky. New contributor Tina McQueen. Tina 21 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 3: workers on Australia's largest and most expensive renewable energy projects, 22 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 3: No Hydro two point oh will receive up up front 23 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 3: pay rises of at least fifty thousand dollars under a 24 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 3: new deal, they will see their annual wages sorted three 25 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars, significantly increasing labor costs on the troubled 26 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 3: twelve billion dollar project Tina. This is another gift from 27 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 3: Malcolm Turbul, the gift that keeps on giving. 28 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 4: Well, a gift that was originally two billion dollars has 29 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 4: blown out to sixteen billion dollars. And what's even worse, 30 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 4: They've been given these magnificent rates of pay and bonuses 31 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 4: and everything else, but they haven't guaranteed anything return. There's 32 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 4: no kepis, there's no you know, saying. 33 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: What will you do for us? 34 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 5: It's just you deserve this, You're going to get it. 35 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: Where do you sign up? Reader? 36 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 4: I mean you and I should be digging tunnels. It 37 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 4: sounds like a good gig for the money. 38 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if I want to be part of 39 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 3: a project, you know, sending water upstream and then downstream. 40 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm still wondering how the whole concept works. Now, 41 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 3: that's all about the University of Melbourne law professor their 42 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 3: doctor Eric desh Maker probably mispronounced that, has launched a 43 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 3: discrimination lawsuit against the university, claiming it was out to 44 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 3: get him after he said that indigenous activists were leading 45 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 3: the one hundred and seventy two year old institution to destruction. 46 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 3: The case is going to go to trial next year. 47 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: TITA doctor Desha Maker claims that the University of Melbourne 48 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: took adverse action against him by suspending his employment due 49 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 3: to his political opinion. Well, it's not hard to believe 50 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: that when you're talking about a university in Australia, they 51 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 3: have been utterly hijacked by the left. The lefts march 52 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 3: through the institutions started in education and if you are 53 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: center right or even just a centrist, I think you 54 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 3: would have a hard time at most Australian universities. 55 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 4: Well it's not even that reader. Even if you just 56 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 4: make some common sense remarks, you can be penalized, which 57 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 4: is what happened to this stopt to now. 58 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 2: Originally not a lot of notice. 59 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 4: Was taken until one of his colleagues made a complaint, 60 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 4: which forced his attention, has enforced all. 61 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 3: The legal action. 62 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: I feel very sorry for him. 63 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 4: But he has to keep on a fight because he's 64 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 4: absolutely right. You shouldn't be sacked for an opinion or. 65 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: Being of a political suasion. 66 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: Persuasion. 67 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 4: The university may not agree with. It's absolutely disgraceful, but 68 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 4: it happens all the time in universities. 69 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: It's now happening just in life. 70 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 4: We all have to be very careful what we say are, 71 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 4: particularly regarding the indigenous industries. 72 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: So that's how life is reader. 73 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Tina McQueen, thank you so much for your time tonight. 74 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: Former Liberal Senator Linda Reynold's defamation case against X staffer 75 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: Britney Higgins has come to an end, with West Australian. 76 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: Supreme Court Justice Paul Tottle. 77 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: Ruling that Britney Higgins must pay her former boss eighty 78 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: percent of her legal costs, amounting to approximately one point 79 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: five million dollars. That's on top of the three hundred 80 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 3: and forty thousand in damages and interest already awarded. Justice 81 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 3: Paul Tottle's judgment also revealed that Higgins initially offered Reynolds 82 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: two hundred thousand dollars with a mutual statement of regret 83 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: before the case went to trial. Now that so called 84 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 3: mutual statement of regret would have required Linda Reynolds acknowledging 85 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: Britney Higgins believed she was not given appropriate support after 86 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 3: being allegedly raped in Parliament House. Joining me now for 87 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 3: more on this is a Macedoni legal principle, Sam Macedoni Sam. 88 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 3: The judge found that that settlement offer, tabled just four 89 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 3: days before the trial was scheduled to begin, could not 90 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 3: be considered reasonable. 91 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 8: No, it was simply a contribution towards Miss Reynolds costs, 92 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 8: which were well in excess of the two hundred thousand dollars. 93 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 8: In any event, it contained no form of vindication as 94 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 8: to her reputation, It didn't include any sort of an apology, 95 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 8: and there was no admission of liability, so to speak. So, 96 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 8: in aller the circumstances he's on a found that the 97 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 8: offer was nowhere near an apology and therefore it was 98 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 8: rightly rejected by Miss Reynolds. 99 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 3: Now, could this judgment potentially bankrupt Britney Higgins? The money 100 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 3: she received the two point four million dollars settlement was 101 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 3: placed into a trust. Does that mean Linda reynolds legal 102 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 3: team can't get their hands on it? 103 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: Is those funds inaccessible. 104 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 8: Look, there's always ways and means of getting to trust funds, 105 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 8: but if nothing else, if that isn't available, she will 106 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 8: no doubt be declared bankrupt because she won't be able 107 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 8: to pay the money that she has to pay, which 108 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 8: is around about one point five million at the end 109 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 8: of the day. And if she's bankrupted, then any trustee 110 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 8: in bankruptcy will call in all of her assets and 111 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 8: anything that she has an entitlement to pay off that debt. 112 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 8: So I don't think that she'll be able to hide 113 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 8: behind the trust forever, and it is a debt that 114 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 8: will follow her for a long long time until it's paid. 115 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 3: Was this a massive miscalculation from her legal team? Why 116 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 3: did they go ahead with this case or why do 117 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: they not make a more significant offer to settle given 118 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: the odds of this happening that she could be left 119 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 3: bankrupt at the end of this trial. 120 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 8: Mainly because lawyers have to do what they're instructed to do. 121 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 8: Their advice may very well have been a lot different, 122 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 8: But if they were instructed to make an offer of 123 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 8: two hundred thousand towards legal costs only, then that's the 124 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 8: offer that was made. As far as proceeding with the matter, 125 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 8: they must follow instruction, So whether they believe that she 126 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 8: would win or not, they had to go ahead and 127 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 8: do the best they could. 128 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 7: Now. 129 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: Linda Reynolds has called on the alban Easy government to 130 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 3: stop its lawyers from fighting against a worker's compensation claim 131 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: lodged by her former chief of staff, fa Brown, who 132 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 3: was falsely accused of covering up this alleged rape of 133 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 3: Britney Higgins. Linda Reynolds told the Australian newspaper it is 134 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 3: clear to me and so many others that Fiona suffered 135 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: a grave injustice that has yet to be righted. My 136 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 3: message to the Prime Minister is, even if you will 137 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 3: not apologize for the dammage you and Labor have done, 138 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 3: please do the right thing now and compensate Fiona for 139 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: the terrible dammage you inflicted on her so her healing 140 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 3: can finally start. Please Sam Fyoda Brown I think is 141 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: undeniably one of the victims of this saga. 142 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 8: Without any doubt in the world, she was virtually accused 143 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 8: of covering up the rape that Higgins said had occurred 144 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 8: to her. Now that cover up was totally set aside 145 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 8: by his honor, Justice Lee when he said there is 146 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 8: no such thing as a cover up by Brown. Therefore, 147 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 8: she was wrongly accused of doing a rather horrible thing 148 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 8: and I can understand how she has been damaged in 149 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 8: reputation and in financially, and therefore she should be compensated. 150 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 8: And I think the government came too quick to offer 151 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 8: Britney higgin Higgins two point four million, and yet they're 152 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 8: barking at offering this woman who was wrongly convicted of 153 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 8: doing something she didn't do, and they're fighting a compensation claim. 154 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 8: They should be out there negotiating a settlement as quickly 155 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 8: as possible. 156 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's salt in to the wounds, and we know 157 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 3: the terrible personal costs. She's spoken about how low she 158 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 3: got with with this ordeal. Sam Macedoni, thank you so 159 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 3: much for your. 160 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: Time tonight, Thank you, thank you. Still to come a 161 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: left he is Losing It plus c J. 162 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 3: Pearson as the latest from the US, including the fallout 163 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 3: from the horrific murder of a young Ukrainian refugee. 164 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: You're watching the Reader Paney Show, and it's time for Left. 165 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 3: He's losing it and we're going to have some shameful 166 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 3: antics from CNN shortly. 167 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 2: You will not believe how low they have sunk. 168 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: But let's start tonight with the leader of the Free 169 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 3: world facing down demented protests ruining everyone's dinner. 170 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: President Trump was a. 171 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 3: Joe's Stone crab in DC to enjoy a meal with 172 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: a vp jd vance. Michael Arrubio was there, Pete Hexeth, 173 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: thank you. 174 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: That you have a six sitting them. 175 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 3: But it wasn't long until the usual suspects were ruining 176 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 3: everyone's delicious crab meals with their craze, screeching about freeing DC, 177 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 3: freeing Palestine, and they were also calling President Trump Hitler. 178 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,599 Speaker 3: Watch the President walk towards them as they made spectacles 179 00:10:39,640 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 3: of themselves now international spectacles. Now Here is a hint 180 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: for the diabolically dumb women in that clip. If Trump 181 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 3: was Hitler, if it was a modern day dictator, you 182 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 3: would never be seen again. You think you can scream 183 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 3: insults to I don't know, Jijiping or Kim Jong un. 184 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: If you did, you'd be in a labor camp or 185 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 3: dead in quick time. Now to a delightful clash between 186 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson and billionaire and dimwit Mark Cuban. Yes, he's 187 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 3: both unusual combination. I know here they are discussing funding 188 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 3: for Ukraine. 189 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 9: Half my family's Ukrainian from my grandparents, and so you know, 190 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 9: personally I think we should help, but I don't have 191 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 9: a studied answer for you. 192 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 5: Have you said how much money have you sent Ukraine? 193 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 6: None? 194 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 5: So what do you mean by we? You're the one 195 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 5: who's family's from Ukraine? Like, why don't you send a 196 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 5: billion dollars? 197 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: Because I'm trying to fix health care? 198 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 5: Why do you fix their healthcare? If you're like so deep, 199 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 5: if you think we need to help, why don't you start? 200 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: How about you? 201 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 5: First? 202 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: I noticed that's never. 203 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 5: Like even an option for anybody. 204 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: It's like, we need to help. That's not what chaired is. 205 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 5: Forcing other people to help is not charity. 206 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: Here's a good entity love that we need more Carson v. 207 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 3: Cuban content in our lives. Now to another clash, but 208 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 3: this one was very much one side, and despite the 209 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: best efforts of MSNBC host Mika Brazinski, Watch Our Borders, 210 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: Our Tom Homan demolishes her ridiculous claims and calls out 211 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 3: her earlier misleading coverage of ICE operations. 212 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 9: I see on the should this morning, you have Governor 213 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 9: Heally talking about ICE doing enforcement. 214 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 7: Operations at a church involve they were parked there, They 215 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 7: didn't do an operation there. She said they were parked 216 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 7: in a public space. 217 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 9: Legally, but to see that and to push it out 218 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 9: there with fear in the immigrant community. 219 00:12:59,040 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 4: So let me tell you to. 220 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 7: Agent's vehicle there on a park street. 221 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,359 Speaker 1: They're on the public street, on a public street. 222 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 9: Waiting to respond to a criminal alien release pulled outside 223 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 9: the road. Let me tell you in the last couple 224 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 9: of days, what's happened in Boston. They've arrested Victor Goldbetz Paris, 225 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 9: the thirty three year old criminal alily from Guatemala with 226 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 9: charges of aggravated rape, assaultant batty with dangerous weapon in 227 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 9: decent assault, and battery on a victim fourteen years or younger. 228 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 9: They arrested Katie Espinoza, thirty fe year old criminal alien 229 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 9: from Columbia, with charges of aggravators assault on a pregnant victim. 230 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 9: They arrested Joshua Gonzalez, a twenty four year old criminal 231 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 9: alien from Dominican Republic, with charges for trafficking heroin, morphine, opium, 232 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 9: resisting police, dislready conduct, and drug distribution. They also arrested 233 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 9: Samuel Armanda Barrero, a twenty year old criminal illegal ali 234 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 9: from Guatemlo Opendon charges for sault and battery on a child. 235 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 9: For this past year, I've seen innocent Americans raped and 236 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 9: bird by people who are not supposed to be here. 237 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 9: So rather than going back and forth saying, well, I 238 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 9: got a current park near a church that. 239 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 3: Is ridiculous, ridiculous indeed, but Mica was not done yet. 240 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 3: Having hit rock bottom, she decided to start digging. 241 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 7: I would argue that actually that the ice vehicle parked 242 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 7: upside a Spanish mass is a frightening site given what 243 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 7: has happened in this country. I also, with respect, sir, 244 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 7: thank you for the information that you have shared on 245 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 7: this show, but we would appreciate all of the information, 246 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 7: all of it, all of the data that you have. 247 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 9: I've done this show several times. Every time on your show, 248 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 9: I speak with integrity, I speak with honesty, and I 249 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 9: speak with facts. The bottom line is, because of all 250 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 9: the Fausari and you used the term disappearing people. 251 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 7: To the group, that. 252 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 3: Essentially, she is determined to make a monumental full of 253 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 3: herself repeating these debunked Democrat talking points. Even some Democrats, 254 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 3: the sensible ones, have stopped making these claims, but not 255 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 3: Maker and not MSNBC. 256 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: They are going down with the ship. 257 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 7: Why a lot of these people have been disappeared. You 258 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 7: say you have data, We would love to see it 259 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 7: the American people see this data. 260 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 9: Well, here's the rhetic again, right, you just disappeared. That 261 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 9: was a ridiculous thing to say, because ICE is doing 262 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 9: the same thing we've done for decades. But because of 263 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 9: the last four years, ICE wasn't allowed to enforce the law. 264 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 9: But we're doing the same thing right now that we've 265 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 9: done when I started back in nineteen eighty four. ICE 266 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 9: agents are enforcing the laws and acted by Congress now. 267 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: To see it and disgracing itself again by accusing Donald 268 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: Trump of seizing on the murder of a young Ukrainian 269 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 3: woman are murdered they had refused to cover until now. 270 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 5: Ukrainian refugees murder caught on camera. 271 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: It is absolutely horrific. 272 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 10: Trump is now seizing on this to push his nationwide 273 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 10: crap down. 274 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: And it gets worse. 275 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: Have her listen to what's in in anchor, Abby Philip 276 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 3: had to say. 277 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: She seems to be more mad. 278 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: At Charlie Kirk for bringing attention to this sickening crime 279 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,359 Speaker 3: than the barbaric thug. 280 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: Who killed an innocent woman. 281 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 11: When you are mentally ill, you have a hard time 282 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 11: knowing that you are mentally ill. But also, I mean, 283 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 11: people like Charlie Kirk fan they've been looking for opportunities 284 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 11: to make this some sort of like reciprocal George Floyd situation. 285 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 11: And that's the part that I think he's almost giving 286 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 11: away the game. And it's sad to see a lot 287 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 11: of people going along with it. 288 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: You know what, I'm almost speechless. 289 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: Comparing that poor innocent woman to George Floyd is bad enough, 290 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 3: but get ready to be truly disgusted. 291 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: Here is Van Jones. 292 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 6: We don't know why that man did what he did. 293 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 6: And for Charlie Kirk to say we know he did 294 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 6: it because she's white when there's no evidence of it 295 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 6: is just pure race mongering, hate mongering. 296 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: It's wrong. 297 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 6: Then he says that if something like that had happened 298 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 6: the other way, there'd be sweeping changes in polls on society. 299 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 6: Where is the George Floyd Policing Act. 300 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: It didn't pass well. 301 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: No evidence except the killer saying I've got the white girl, 302 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 3: and the fact that he was seated with five others 303 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 3: around him who he didn't attack, who all happened to 304 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 3: be black, but he targeted Irena pretty much as soon 305 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 3: as she sat down in. 306 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 2: Front of him. 307 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 3: All of this had White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt 308 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 3: fuming when she addressed the media earlier. 309 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 10: Today, Arena Zarutska was stabbed to death on the rail 310 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 10: system in Charlotte, North Carolina by a savage career criminal. 311 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 10: The most enraging and unacceptable part of the story is 312 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 10: that her death was entirely preventable. De Carlos Brown never 313 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 10: should have been on that train that night. In fact, 314 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 10: he should have been behind bars. Previously served five years 315 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 10: in prison for a robbery with a deadly weapon charge, 316 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 10: and he had also forfeited bonds three different times, twice 317 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 10: in twenty fourteen and once in twenty twenty three. Despite 318 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 10: all of this past documented criminal history, when Brown was 319 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 10: arrested yet again in January of this past year, a 320 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 10: Democrat judge, who will I will add was a supporter, 321 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 10: a strong supporter of former Vice President Kamala Harris, released 322 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 10: this insane criminal once again without requiring him to pay 323 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 10: any bail. He simply had to sign a written promise 324 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 10: to return for his court hearing. Think about how crazy 325 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 10: it is to ask a career criminal, someone who by 326 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 10: definition repeatedly breaks the law to just sign a written 327 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 10: promise and come back again another day. This is madness. 328 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 3: And Caroline Levitt had a message for those in the 329 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 3: media who had refused to cover this shocking murder. 330 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 10: And perhaps most shamefully of all, the majority of the 331 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 10: media many outlets in this room decided that her murder 332 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 10: was not worth reporting on originally because it does not 333 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 10: fit a preferred narrative. Many of the journalists in this 334 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 10: room spills plenty of ink trying to smear Daniel Penny 335 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 10: for defending a subway car from a deranged lunatic in 336 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 10: New York City, but none of those same reporters lift 337 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 10: a finger to write stories about an actual murderer. Here's 338 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 10: the truth that every American must know. Too many innocent 339 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 10: people across the country continue to pay the price of 340 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 10: the failed experiment known as cashless Bill. 341 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 3: Joining me now is political advisor and commentator CJ. 342 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: Pearson. CJ. The full United footage is now. 343 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 3: Being widely circulated of that shocking murder, and I'll ask 344 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 3: you about that in a second. It is one of 345 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 3: the most chilling things I've ever seen, not just the 346 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 3: brutal attack, but what happened afterwards. But firstly, tell me 347 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 3: about the reaction of the media since they've been called 348 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 3: out for the manner they have covered this story and 349 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: in many cases the manner in which they have refused 350 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 3: to cover this shocking story. 351 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 12: Well, first of all words, thank you again for having me, Rita, 352 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 12: and I got a level with you. You know, that 353 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 12: video is not just sickening, but it's disgusting for many 354 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 12: of the reasons that Caroline said, it was preventable, but 355 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 12: of course because of the disasterrous progressive policies of you know, 356 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 12: far left politicians like what we are seeing in Charlotte, 357 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 12: someone like that was allowed to walk free to commit 358 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 12: the act of violence that we saw in that video. 359 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 12: When I talk about the media's reaction to this, it's 360 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 12: even more disgusting. Right if this was a black man 361 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 12: who was you know, killed by a white man, this 362 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 12: would be wall to wall coverage, unending, and that is 363 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 12: exactly what we would see coming from folks like Al Sharpton, 364 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 12: who would be marching this reach right now, probably calling 365 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 12: for America to. 366 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: Be burned down. But because this is a white woman, but. 367 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 12: Because this is a different situation of course, as Caroline said, 368 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 12: doesn't fit their preferred narrative. 369 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: They want to ignore it. 370 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 12: They want to accuse Conservatives of overreacting and pouncing on 371 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 12: this situation. No one's pouncing on anything. What we're demanding 372 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 12: is the return of Laura in this country. And I 373 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 12: think it's a radical position to hold to believe in that. 374 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 3: Well, the full unedited version, and we're not going to 375 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 3: play you the moment of the attack is just too shocking. 376 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 3: But a warning nevertheless, because some viewers may find this distressing, 377 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 3: and it is distressing the lead up to the attack 378 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 3: and what happened afterwards, that's disturbing enough. 379 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 2: After Irena was stad. 380 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 3: There were five others sitting nearby who didn't go to 381 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 3: her assistancy. J the good Samaritans who eventually came to 382 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 3: help her were further down the carriage, and they are 383 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 3: to be applauded for trying to save her life. But 384 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 3: it was really quite chilling to watch people who failed 385 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 3: to check on her after she's suffered those horrific injuries. 386 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: You know, it was a disgusting display of cowardice. 387 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 12: You need to be quite honest with you and I 388 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 12: and I'm glad that there were people that eventually rose 389 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 12: to the occasion to render her aid. There was one 390 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 12: man who actually took his shirt off and attempted to 391 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 12: apply a turnity to stop the was going on, and 392 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 12: God bless him for it. But again, you know, what 393 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 12: was discussing, of course, was his actions, but also the 394 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 12: fact that no one's frung to help. I think it 395 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 12: goes to show that only, you know, do we have 396 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 12: a problem when it comes to actually courage in this country. 397 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 12: But also too, they were probably afraid as well, you know, 398 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 12: which goes to show this man had no business being 399 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 12: on our no business being out in the community. And 400 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 12: the judge that let him out, we should know his 401 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 12: name as well. 402 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 3: Now, SiGe, the race issue here, you've already touched on it. 403 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 3: It's undeniable when you look at the media's reluctance to 404 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 3: properly cover this story. And also undeniable is the fact 405 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 3: that the other five passengers sitting near. 406 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 2: The killer were black. 407 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: They weren't attacked, but as soon as Irena sat down, 408 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 3: she became a target. 409 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 2: The statistical data. 410 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 3: About black on white crime is now being talked about widely, 411 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 3: perhaps for the first time in a long time. Let's 412 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 3: hear now from will Caine on Fox News. 413 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 13: I want to show you the actual truth when it 414 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 13: comes to crime. The story is about race. Race. Take 415 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 13: a look at the black on white crimes three hundred 416 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 13: and eighty five thousand and twenty twenty three, the white 417 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 13: on black crimes just under one hundred and eighteen thousand. 418 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,239 Speaker 13: You see the comparative numerical difference. But now here's what 419 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 13: the media actually does. They did what our camera operator 420 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 13: just began to do a moment ago. I'm going to 421 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 13: step out of the way. I'm going to show you 422 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 13: literally what the media does with the camera. They zoom 423 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 13: in on this number, this number devoid of context. 424 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: Ce J. 425 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 3: The data shows a white person is around thirty times 426 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 3: more likely to be victimized by a black person then 427 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 3: the other way around. How much discussion is there about 428 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 3: that issue at the moment in America, or the fact 429 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 3: that you do have black men of a certain age 430 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 3: so heavily overrepresented in the violent crime statistics. 431 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 12: There's very little discussion about this issue in America because 432 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 12: the life seeks us shut down discussion in America. Right. 433 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: You know, here's the deal. 434 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 12: You know they want to say, let's not make this 435 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 12: about race, let's not bring color into it. In that video, 436 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 12: what you see is that man, that perpetrator, that thug, 437 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 12: that animal. 438 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: He says, I got that white girl. 439 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 12: He says repeatedly, rita, I got that white girl. 440 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: And so it's not us making it about race. 441 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 12: It's not Fox News making it about racist's not any 442 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 12: of us weighing in on this terrible tragedy making it 443 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 12: about race. He committed this act because he was motivated 444 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 12: by race. And so if you want to call anyone 445 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 12: out for racism or so called racial supremacy, call out 446 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 12: the thug who did this. 447 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 448 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And again, as you said, if the races were reversed, 449 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 3: if you had here a black victim, a white perpetrator, 450 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 3: and a white perpetrator referring to the race of the victim, 451 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 3: you're telling me people are going to be talking about 452 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 3: it and they're not going to be noting the racial element. Now, Democrats, 453 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 3: including Roy Cooper, are seeking to highlight mental health issues, 454 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 3: the lack of policing. But this particular perpetrator had plenty 455 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 3: of contact with police, didn't you, CJ. 456 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: He exactly did. 457 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 12: And let's also talk about the fact that it's the 458 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 12: Democrats who've called for the defunding of the police. It's 459 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 12: the Democrats who've called for less policing in our communities. 460 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 12: It's the Democrats right now who are fighting against Presidents 461 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 12: Frump to secure America's greatest. 462 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,479 Speaker 1: And once beautiful cities. 463 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 12: And so you know, it's ironic to hear this from them, 464 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 12: but honestly, it's out of survival that they're now starting 465 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 12: to see this, right. They realize that the American public 466 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 12: are not with them. The American public want to live 467 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 12: in safe and secure communities. They don't want to live 468 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 12: in fear on their public transportation as they walk down 469 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 12: the sidewalk. And so, yeah, it's actually not surprising to 470 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 12: me to hear Roy Cooper change his tune. 471 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: But it's a day short and. 472 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 12: A dollar elate, And I got to tell you, I 473 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 12: think the American people are going to hold him accountable 474 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 12: for it. And this is a man who, by the way, 475 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 12: is running for US Senate right now in the state 476 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 12: of North Carolina. And I got to tell you this 477 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 12: is going to hang around his neck like an Orbitroce. 478 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,719 Speaker 3: Now, So, Jay, what is happening with the job data 479 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 3: in the US. I saw the Bureau of Labor Statistics 480 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 3: revised down the job numbers by some nine hundred thousand 481 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 3: for twenty twenty four twenty twenty five. How many jobs 482 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 3: created under the Biden administration have now been revised away 483 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: they never really. 484 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 2: Existed, Dude. 485 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 1: It's looking to look upwards of a million. 486 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 12: And you know, similar to the way in which they've 487 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 12: cooked the books for the MPD in the City of DC, 488 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 12: where they're reporting less valid crime that's actually than occurring, 489 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 12: we're actually seeing the same thing with these BLS statistics, 490 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 12: which is absolutely unfortunate, which actually underscores the importance of 491 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 12: performing or confirming. 492 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: You know, an incredible guy like EJ. 493 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 12: And Anthony, who is a Heritage Foundation scholar, to replace 494 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 12: the former buying appoint to who was in the position before. 495 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 12: It's actually a shame to see, but it's just not 496 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,719 Speaker 12: surprising at this point. You know, everything that Biden administration 497 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 12: did seems to have been in an attempt to cover 498 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 12: just how much of a failure their entire political agenda was. 499 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 3: To Florida now and the federal trial of Ryan Ruth, 500 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 3: who faces charges for attempting to assassinate President Donald Trump. 501 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 3: This has occurred back at his West Palm Beach golf 502 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 3: club in September twenty twenty four, not long after the 503 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 3: first assassination attempt in Pennsylvania. 504 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 2: CJ the judge in. 505 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 3: This case, has exclusive potential jurors any self declared biases. 506 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 3: One woman who said I am Mega was eliminated as 507 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 3: a potential duror. But that doesn't make me wonder how 508 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 3: many others are quiet about their affiliations, whatever they may be, 509 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 3: And what more do we know about this alleged assassin, 510 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 3: Ryan Ruth. It seems like we've learned very little since 511 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 3: September twenty twenty four. 512 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm definitely curious about the political affiliations of those 513 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 12: jurors as well, but also too to your point, who 514 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 12: exactly is right and Ruth? And why was he motivated 515 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 12: to do what he did? We haven't heard much about that. 516 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: You know. 517 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 12: Hopefully, you know, Cash Hotel and good folks of the 518 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 12: FBI are taking a hard look at that and we 519 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 12: will learn more. But I think that the American people 520 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 12: are desperate to actually, you know, get a lot more 521 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,719 Speaker 12: inside of his motivations as to why he did what 522 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 12: he did and to ensure that he gets the fair 523 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 12: punishment that he deserves here in this case. 524 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: His background. 525 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 3: His recent history is pretty interesting and perplexing. Really where 526 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 3: he got the funds from to do some of the 527 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 3: things he was doing when he didn't seem to have 528 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 3: any sort of meaningful employment for a period of time. 529 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: Have you found out anything more about that or we're 530 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 3: hopefully going to get some understanding during the trial. 531 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll get it from the trial. I think that's 532 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: the thing. 533 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 12: I think people are scratching their heads as to exactly 534 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 12: how we found the means, how we have the resources 535 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 12: to do this, but also to what drove him. 536 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: To do it. You know, he's a very erratic and 537 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: irate person. 538 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 12: You know, some are saying mental illness, but I think 539 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 12: that there is a deep desire to learn more about 540 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 12: him and what his motivations were and what his motive was, 541 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 12: and so hopefully we will get those answers. But I 542 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 12: think unfortunately now details are quite scant. 543 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 3: Well, we know next to nothing about the Butler attempted 544 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 3: assassin who was killed after his assassination attempt against Donald 545 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 3: tr And it's incredible how little we know about that 546 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 3: particular individual. Now, good news for Donald Trump and Millennia. 547 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 3: Baron is moving back into the White House and CJ. 548 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 3: Barron was invaluable for the Trump camp in helping formulate 549 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 3: the strategy to reach young men. 550 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: He really, I think. 551 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 3: Served a very important role throughout the election campaign. 552 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 2: He encouraged President Trump. 553 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 3: To go on podcasts of popular personalities some of the 554 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 3: President had never heard of before Baron's intervention. And it's 555 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 3: worth noting this horrible murder we spoke about in North 556 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 3: Carolina would have been on the President's radar much earlier 557 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 3: if barn was around, because the President learnt about it 558 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 3: twenty four to forty eight hours after it really went 559 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 3: viral on x and other social media platforms. 560 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 12: You know, It's yeah, we love having Baron here in DC, 561 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 12: and we love to see that he's going to be 562 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 12: the White House. And I'll tell you, this is a 563 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 12: guy who has his figure on the pulse of everything 564 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 12: that's going on, and so I think he's going to 565 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 12: be an invaluable advisor to his father as he navigates, 566 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 12: of course, the upcoming years of his presidency. And as 567 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 12: you point out, he was an integral peace eye to 568 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 12: his return to the White House, and so I will 569 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 12: continue to serve that incredible role. But you know, again, 570 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 12: I think what the President is really leaning on right now, 571 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 12: is doing all that he can to you get information 572 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 12: from wherever he can, but also to act on it effectively. 573 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 12: And already I think he's taking action to ensure that 574 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 12: what happened in Charlotte never happens again. And God bless 575 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 12: him for it, because there is no reason that should 576 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 12: happen in a civil and polite society at all anywhere 577 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 12: in this country. 578 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 3: Well, let's just hope the law and order crackdown that 579 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 3: we're hopefully going to see in America's big cities really 580 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 3: see some meaningful long term change, because they have just 581 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 3: deteriorated so much. And even as a tourist who goes 582 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 3: to the US very regularly, you can see that decay 583 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 3: each time you visit. Those big cities seem to be 584 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 3: a little worse now, CJ. We covered the baseball Karen's. 585 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 2: Story earlier in the week, the woman. 586 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 3: Who became among the most despised on the internet for 587 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 3: about twenty four hours after brating a father and son 588 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 3: for taking a home run baseball she somehow thought belonged 589 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 3: to her. She did get the baseball given to her well, 590 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 3: the father in that viral footage, Drew felt Well wants 591 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 3: people to leave her alone and not try to. 592 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 2: Get her fired. He said, CJ. 593 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 3: The internet has already messed her up pretty good. 594 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 2: He's not wrong there. 595 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 12: No, he's not wrong. But I will tell you, really, 596 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 12: he is a better man than me, because I guarantee 597 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 12: you I would have kept the ball and I would 598 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 12: have said keep going. 599 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: So he you know, I don't know. Maybe he is 600 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: a better man than me. I'll leave it at that. 601 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, this is obviously a very charitable person. But 602 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 3: I'm going to get your opinion on this because then 603 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 3: we did get a bit of blowback earlier in the 604 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 3: Weeke when discussing this, because I thought his moved to 605 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 3: give the ball to her, to give into the bullying 606 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 3: in front of his son, was a poor move. 607 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 2: He should have stood his ground. 608 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 3: She had absolutely no right to demand that ball, and 609 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 3: I think just because it happened in front of his son, 610 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 3: it left a bad taste in my mouth. People said 611 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 3: that was a bit harsh. What's your take on this? 612 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 3: Do you think he did the right thing in the 613 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 3: moment in giving that ball back? 614 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 12: Well, Riad, I guess we're going to have to hate 615 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 12: both you and me because I. 616 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: Think you should have kept that ball. 617 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 12: I think he should have. I don't understand why he 618 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 12: gave it back, you know. I think I saw an 619 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 12: argument online where it was basically that, you know, it 620 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 12: just goes to show sometimes you can't give people, you know, 621 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 12: the attention of the time of day. I think that 622 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 12: you also have to show your son when to say 623 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 12: it on business and not for a lent in the 624 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 12: face of someone who is just being unreasonable and absolutely 625 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 12: crazy and seene and that is what I saw in 626 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 12: that video, and so I wish you would have kept 627 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 12: that ball, you know, and I think as. 628 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: Somewhat of appreciated. 629 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 12: But you know, of course, everyone has their own parenting 630 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 12: style and I'll leave that to him. 631 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 2: Yep, sometimes you've got to stand on business. CJ. Pearson, 632 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time tonight. 633 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: Thanks so much. 634 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 2: Still to come, we. 635 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 3: Look at Wikipedia's corruption of information. Investigative journalists Ashley Rinsberg 636 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 3: has the details. Welcome back now, My next guest has 637 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 3: highlighted the steady decline of Wikipedia as a trusted news 638 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 3: source for the general public. 639 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 2: Small cells of. 640 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 3: Bad faith editors have hijacked entire topic areas and are 641 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 3: using Wikipedia to put biased information into platforms like Google, Chat, JPT, Gemini, Alexa, 642 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 3: and Siri. Joining me now is editor and Chief investigative 643 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 3: Officer for Neutral POV Ashley Rinsberg. 644 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 2: Ashley, you say Wikipedia's. 645 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 3: Corruption of information has reached crisis levels. 646 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 2: Explain just how bad this is. 647 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 14: Yeah, that's exactly the case, Rita. What we're seeing is 648 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 14: that bad faith actors, and that can include anyone from 649 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 14: state propagandists to foreign terror organizations to hit business interests, 650 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 14: have learned that Wikipedia can be hijacked. They can take 651 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 14: clusters of two or three or four editors who can 652 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 14: capture an article or even an entire topic area on 653 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 14: political area like American politics, Australian politics, or pharmaceuticals, and 654 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 14: they can radically alter it to suit their own agenda. 655 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 14: That's a problem because, as you mentioned, this is the 656 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 14: material that feeds AI, It feeds Chat, GPT, Gemini, Siri, Alexa, 657 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 14: and of course Google. So the information we're getting downstream 658 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 14: has been perverted and corrupted by these bad faith actors. 659 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 3: Now, these ideological players, these ideological editors. How many are 660 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 3: we talking about, how many actually have control over Wikipedia? 661 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 3: And where they're coming from. You've mentioned some can be 662 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 3: from the corporate world, some maybe from activist groups, even 663 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 3: terror groups. But do we have an idea of the 664 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 3: countries they're coming from and just how many there are. 665 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 14: It's extremely hard to know who they are and what 666 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,439 Speaker 14: they're really about. And that's part of the problem. Because 667 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 14: they're anonymous. They don't even need to register their username 668 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 14: on Wikipedia. They can just use their IP address, so 669 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 14: it doesn't take very much for someone to conceal their 670 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 14: agenda on Wikipedia. It's sort of designed for that purpose. 671 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 14: In one case, we know that the gang of four 672 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 14: editors who are sort of pro Palestine, anti Israel in 673 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 14: some cases pro Hamas are three of them are at 674 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 14: least from at least three of them are from Australia, 675 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 14: others from around the world, and they have radically altered 676 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 14: the entire landscape on Wikipedia on the Israel Palestine conflict. 677 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,760 Speaker 3: Now, tell me about the relationship between Wikipedia and these 678 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 3: AI platforms. 679 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 2: What feeds? 680 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 3: What is Wikipedia relying on AI or vice versa. 681 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 14: AI is relying on Wikipedia to an alarming degree, and 682 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 14: that's because the Wikipedia data is very structured, it's very 683 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 14: sort of regulated in a technical sense, and best of all, 684 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 14: it's free, so these sites can get all this free 685 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 14: data and they can populate their AI, they train on it, 686 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,439 Speaker 14: and that's basically every frontier AI model trains heavily on Wikipedia. 687 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 14: And they also pull Wikipedia data for reference purposes. So 688 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 14: when you ask a question on chat gipt about some topic, 689 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 14: in many, many cases, and this is to a disproportionate extent, 690 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 14: they're directly pulling that information from Wikipedia. And that could 691 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 14: be from an article or topic area that has been hijacked, 692 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,879 Speaker 14: hijacked or corrupted by one of these edit gangs. 693 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 3: Now, Ashley, we've been speaking all week about the horrific 694 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 3: stabbing of a Ukrainian refugee in North Carolina and the 695 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 3: media's failure to properly cover that story. One of your 696 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 3: tweets about this when viral had millions of views and 697 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 3: you showed a Wikipedia article about the murder and how 698 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 3: was nominated for deletion. There was a warning there saying 699 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 3: it may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guidelines. Explain that 700 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,240 Speaker 3: to me, how does that work? 701 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 14: Wikipedia has a policy that things should be notable so 702 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 14: that they can meet the threshold of being inside of 703 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 14: an encyclopedia, not just a news story. In this case, 704 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 14: this was an important event. It had already been in 705 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 14: the news for many weeks, and still Wikipedia editors wanted 706 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 14: to keep it off of the site because they didn't 707 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 14: like the politics of it, they didn't like the optics 708 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 14: of it, it didn't agree with their own ideology. So 709 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 14: they took a very simple step. And again, this is 710 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 14: only two, three or four experienced veteran editors who can 711 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 14: pull this kind of thing off very easily. It's only 712 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 14: because people started to notice that this effort was defeated. 713 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 14: And yet still these same editors fought very hard and 714 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 14: successfully to keep the name of the suspect off of 715 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 14: that article. And there is currently no mention of the 716 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,800 Speaker 14: suspect's name on the article, as if for his own privacy. 717 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 3: Even now, there's no even when we've had that the 718 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 3: President speak about this issue, it's become such. 719 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 2: A media scandal. 720 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 3: The media's rolling really not probably covering this story, has 721 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 3: become part of this story. And still Wikipedia doesn't have 722 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 3: a key bit of information, which is who And we 723 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 3: can't even call him a suspect because it's literally on 724 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 3: video murdering this girl. There's no alleged here, Yes. 725 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 14: That's right, And still today no mention where we see 726 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 14: in a counter example, when the Kenosha shootings, the BLM 727 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 14: shootings and Kyle Rittenhouse was accused of murder. He was 728 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 14: a miner at the time, and Wikipedia had an article 729 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 14: about those shootings where they mentioned written House fifty times 730 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,720 Speaker 14: in a single article. There was no scruples about including 731 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 14: his name, and it was some of the same editors 732 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 14: who were fighting to keep this suspect's name in this 733 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 14: case off the article who made no mention of the 734 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 14: fact that Kyle Rittenhouse was being accused in this article 735 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 14: of a crime and his name was being exposed despite 736 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 14: him being a miner at the time. 737 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 3: Now you saying Wikipedia is worse because I've never trusted Wikipedia. 738 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 3: I've always seen it with the leftist lant it has 739 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 3: and in some cases that leftist slant is more extreme, 740 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 3: in other cases it's a little bit more subtle, but 741 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 3: it's never been trustworthy in my eyes. Are you saying 742 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 3: it's getting worse or it's just something that we should 743 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 3: be aware of and not trust. 744 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 14: It's getting worse, and the reason is because more and 745 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 14: more people, more of these groups are waking up to 746 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 14: the fact of its extreme influence online and in our lives. 747 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 14: On AI, on Google, everything we discussed, and they're understanding 748 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 14: how easy it is to break in to hijack these articles. 749 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,399 Speaker 14: So it's become, yes, exactly, to manipulate it and become 750 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 14: this backdoor of vulnerability into the entire information ecosystem. The 751 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 14: foundation in charge of Wikipedia has done very little, in 752 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,280 Speaker 14: some cases nothing about this, because they too have been captured. 753 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 14: This is something that happened in twenty seventeen. They're captured 754 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 14: where actually of Hillary Clinton. 755 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 2: We will have to we will have to get you 756 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 2: back home. 757 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 3: We've run out of time, but this is just such 758 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 3: an important issue. Ashley Rinsberg, thank you so much for 759 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 3: your time tonight, and that it from me. 760 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 2: Up next, It's Newsnight. 761 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow at eleven pm.