Speaker 1: Oh, hi there, and welcome to another episode of The
Speaker 1: Christy Cast, Live from the Compound.
Speaker 2: That's my house.
Speaker 1: You know where I your pal Chrisy Swan chat to
Speaker 1: interesting people from all over the world. Today's guest is
Speaker 1: veteran performer Collet Man. She is fresh off the plane
Speaker 1: from packing up and moving to London.
Speaker 2: Yes, London. She's in her seventies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Collette and I run the gamut in this conversation,
Speaker 1: from body image to what not to do when you're divorcing,
Speaker 1: to dealing with grief, and the amazing story of how
Speaker 1: she's already been to my house decades before it was
Speaker 1: even a glimmer in my eye. Chrissy Casters, wrap your
Speaker 1: arms around my friend, Collete Man.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Christy Cast. The gorgeous coll it Man.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to I'm so excited to see you now.
Speaker 1: You are live at the Compound, which is an affectionate
Speaker 1: name I have for my home. This is not the
Speaker 1: first time you've been here, not at all.
Speaker 3: I've actually been well, not exactly in this room, but
Speaker 3: I've been in the envrons.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I do.
Speaker 3: I've been in Europe. I can speak I've been here
Speaker 3: many many times in the past, and I've even been
Speaker 3: here since you've lived here, Yes, for lunch.
Speaker 1: But specifically, I want to know about the time that
Speaker 1: you've been at my house, maybe before i'd bought it.
Speaker 3: Or a long time before you Yes, I would say
Speaker 3: almost probably, well, maybe forty three years ago, something like.
Speaker 1: What brought you to the compound before I even knew
Speaker 1: it existed?
Speaker 3: Well, it was the halfway house that Doreen from Prisoner
Speaker 3: lived in the front of the house, we didn't use
Speaker 3: the inside of the house, which, let me tell you,
Speaker 3: looks looked nothing like it does today.
Speaker 2: So what you would this have been, that you've been
Speaker 2: to my house?
Speaker 3: I reckon it was nineteen I reckon it was about
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 1: Right, So I was seven years old, living my life. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you call it man that I here with me now?
Speaker 1: Was in my house before I even.
Speaker 3: And I was only seven years old. Of course you were,
Speaker 3: of course you were, No I wasn't.
Speaker 2: So what is the story?
Speaker 1: How did you come to be in this house?
Speaker 3: Well, because this house was owned by one of our directors.
Speaker 3: On I was going to say, neighbors. No, I've got dementia.
Speaker 3: So let's go back on prisoner. His name was Marcus Cole,
Speaker 3: beautiful young man, and he and his partner at the time,
Speaker 3: and I think they're still together. If not, I'm sorry
Speaker 3: that happened. Well, you know, I she may have passed.
Speaker 3: I actually think that she was the owner of the
Speaker 3: house and he was her boyfriend. I think, oh, so
Speaker 3: you know more than I do. There's a bit of gossip. Anyway,
Speaker 3: he put his house. He was directing, and he said,
Speaker 3: you can use my house. As I say, we used
Speaker 3: the front a lot, I don't. I remember we came
Speaker 3: into the house to sort of get changed and things
Speaker 3: like that, because you shoot out of sequence. But we
Speaker 3: didn't use the inside of the house. The inside of
Speaker 3: the house was a set at none awardding.
Speaker 2: Right, But use you did use the backyard.
Speaker 3: Yes, we used the backyard, and it didn't look anything
Speaker 3: like the backyard that I've just seen. But it was
Speaker 3: lovely because I was here, I reckon, I was here
Speaker 3: probably ten twelve times.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And then I just love this story so much.
Speaker 3: And then when you bought the house, I thought I
Speaker 3: saw it. I saw it on the telly. Or no,
Speaker 3: I didn't see it on the telly. I saw it
Speaker 3: maybe on a real estate place, and I thought I
Speaker 3: recognized that house. And then when I was working with
Speaker 3: you on Circle, I said, have you bought this?
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't living there. Then, Oh you weren't. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I love that story.
Speaker 1: I love that I live in a piece of Australian
Speaker 1: television history, and I love that I'm currently talking to
Speaker 1: a piece of Australian television history. You have recently returned
Speaker 1: from the UK, where you have but you backed up
Speaker 1: stumps and left your home.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did, and we're traveling.
Speaker 3: Yes, I opped up the stumps. I got very tired
Speaker 3: after I left Neighbors. I had about a year where
Speaker 3: I did. I did some teaching because I still teach
Speaker 3: quite a lot of students acting, but basically I wasn't
Speaker 3: getting any work. I've got bits and pieces. I did
Speaker 3: The Fantastic Fisk for Kidding.
Speaker 2: Oh oh god, what a great show.
Speaker 3: And I had done the first series and then she
Speaker 3: asked me to do one day on the second series,
Speaker 3: which I did, and I did an ad for Funerals
Speaker 3: and I thought, oh god, this is the end.
Speaker 2: And the slippery slope.
Speaker 3: Yes exactly. And I was testing for a couple of things,
Speaker 3: and you know, it was for actors or for characters
Speaker 3: in their late sixties, early seventies, and then you'd find
Speaker 3: that it had gone to somebody who was in their fifties,
Speaker 3: you know, which is something that Australians do. And I
Speaker 3: was winging to my son about it, and he said, well,
Speaker 3: why don't you go to England? And I said, can't
Speaker 3: you know because I tried to get an ancestry visa
Speaker 3: a few years ago when I was in neighbors. It
Speaker 3: was going to cost me seventeen thousand dollars. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: and that was in that was in something like twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: And how many funeral ads do you have to do
Speaker 2: to pay that off?
Speaker 1: Lot?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And anyway, so he said, I'll do it for
Speaker 3: you for ten and I said, no, you'll do it
Speaker 3: for nothing, because I paid for your law degree.
Speaker 2: Love it and he did, God love him.
Speaker 3: And so I got the visa in about three weeks
Speaker 3: because I'd done all the genealogy and all that stuff, and.
Speaker 2: You thought, why not?
Speaker 3: I thought, why not? So off I went. I went
Speaker 3: for nine weeks at the end of twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: but to have a look around, found an agent, met
Speaker 3: a couple of made some good contacts and then I
Speaker 3: went over twenty twenty three in end of March, and
Speaker 3: I've just come back and may I ask your age
Speaker 3: seventy four.
Speaker 1: Most people are really thinking about slowing down at seventy four.
Speaker 1: And when I saw you living your best life in London,
Speaker 1: I thought, that's me.
Speaker 2: You're so inspirational.
Speaker 3: Oh, darling, don't say that you are.
Speaker 1: No, you are because so many people say, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: too old, and we say that to ourselves.
Speaker 2: From the age of twenty five.
Speaker 3: I know it's funny because you know a lot of
Speaker 3: my friends that are young, a lot younger than me.
Speaker 3: But I've always been a person who's liked to surround
Speaker 3: myself with younger people. And you know, working on neighbors
Speaker 3: was great for that because I sat with the kids
Speaker 3: that all the young kids. Because I don't like to
Speaker 3: look back. I like to look for yes, and I
Speaker 3: find that when people get a little bit older, not
Speaker 3: just in my industry but just people around me, they
Speaker 3: are constantly looking backwards. And I mean backwards was great.
Speaker 3: I've had some great opportunities and I've done some great
Speaker 3: things in the back part of my life. But I
Speaker 3: am also really good at looking forward, and I like
Speaker 3: the feeling that I may fail at something.
Speaker 2: Yes, do you think that's why because you studied law.
Speaker 3: Yes only for a short while, not for a long while.
Speaker 1: But that was going to be a very safe, predictable
Speaker 1: career that used your gifts. What was it about what
Speaker 1: was unfolding in front of you in terms of your
Speaker 1: life that you thought, actually, I want something a bit dirtier,
Speaker 1: a bit riskier.
Speaker 3: Well, because i'd always been I've been taken to dancing
Speaker 3: school at three. Yes, you know, I was a little
Speaker 3: sort of dumpling in a two two.
Speaker 2: Oh how gorgeous?
Speaker 3: Really hideous?
Speaker 2: Is divine?
Speaker 3: And then I so I grew up in dancing school,
Speaker 3: and I was always even when I was fourteen fifteen,
Speaker 3: I was still a bit of a little dumpling while
Speaker 3: I was slightly bigger dumpling. And I knew that I
Speaker 3: wasn't going to make it as a ballet dancer, which
Speaker 3: is what I really wanted to do. And so I
Speaker 3: was lucky enough to go to professional dance classes as
Speaker 3: they were called then they weren't like a bourbon dancing school.
Speaker 3: And a guy that I learned from called Ted Miller,
Speaker 3: and also another, another wonderful woman called Betty Pounder, who
Speaker 3: was the choreographer for so many musicals. I went to
Speaker 3: her classes and they both said she is a great comedian.
Speaker 3: She's and this was at fourteen, and they said that's
Speaker 3: where she should go.
Speaker 1: Isn't it great when someone that you respect says that
Speaker 1: you can do something? It often just takes one person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And I really when I can, because I
Speaker 3: still teach students. I try to be that person for
Speaker 3: them because there are so many knockers, as you would know,
Speaker 3: in our industry, and so many people that want to
Speaker 3: pull you down. That when I have really good students,
Speaker 3: and I do because you know, they've come to me recommended,
Speaker 3: or they their friend came to me, I like to
Speaker 3: build them up because it's a hard enough industry without
Speaker 3: somebody trying to pull you down.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3: And so those people built me up, and so my
Speaker 3: mother then took me to acting school and all that
Speaker 3: sort of stuff, and so it was always in me
Speaker 3: to do it. And when I knew that I didn't
Speaker 3: want to be a lawyer, I quickly shifted over to
Speaker 3: an arts degree to get out of UNI, and then
Speaker 3: I taught for twelve months to pay my mother back.
Speaker 3: And then I auditioned for Godspell, the original company of Godspell.
Speaker 2: And away you went.
Speaker 3: And the rest of it is theatrical history.
Speaker 1: You you know, refer to your body as a dumpling, yes,
Speaker 1: and a slightly larger dumpling.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: I want to know what it was like to be
Speaker 1: a woman in television and theater in the seventies and
Speaker 1: eighties with regard to body image.
Speaker 3: In the well in the seventies. Because I started in
Speaker 3: Godspell at nineteen seventy one, I don't remember remember anybody
Speaker 3: discussing body image at that time. I mean I was
Speaker 3: in God's Spell for four years and we were in overall,
Speaker 3: so it didn't really matter.
Speaker 1: And then I was Godspell for the uninitiated, is a
Speaker 1: giant misshippie.
Speaker 3: Musical, Yes, exactly. Not done very often now, but it
Speaker 3: was huge at the year. It was massive, and it
Speaker 3: was the first time they ever used what we call
Speaker 3: now call triple threats. People who could sing, dance, and act.
Speaker 3: I see myself, which is you well, I see myself
Speaker 3: as an actor, dancers, singer, yes, the singing at the bottom,
Speaker 3: but I sang well enough to be in that and
Speaker 3: so I never really.
Speaker 2: Encountered much problems with that.
Speaker 3: And then I worked for the Melbourne Theater Company and
Speaker 3: I did bits and pieces of television. It wasn't until
Speaker 3: after Prisoner, which would have been for me about nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty three, and then I was working on things like
Speaker 3: the Don Lane Show and Good Morning Australia and all
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff, that this whole thing about body
Speaker 3: image started to be a real thing right for me.
Speaker 3: And I have to say, I don't think my body ever,
Speaker 3: even though I at times have been much much bigger
Speaker 3: than I am now, it never really held me back
Speaker 3: because I usually played the funny, weird one who was
Speaker 3: the friend of the lead. Yes so, and I always
Speaker 3: saw myself as a character actress, not a lead, and
Speaker 3: so I was never one of those people who always
Speaker 3: thought that she should be playing the leading role. Yeah right,
Speaker 3: I think you've got to know your limitations. And it's
Speaker 3: funny because in London, my agent in London, who I
Speaker 3: still have and they're wonderful, one of the things they
Speaker 3: said to me was one of the reasons I got
Speaker 3: knocked back for a role that I was up for
Speaker 3: in London was a woman of seventy one and they said, oh,
Speaker 3: you're too glamorous, and I went, what I've never been
Speaker 3: called glamorous in my life.
Speaker 2: I come over to my place and see what I
Speaker 2: look like. I said, is I opened my eyes exactly?
Speaker 3: And they went, no, you're effortlessly glamorous. And I went,
Speaker 3: you all need to have a good look around, I said,
Speaker 3: or come to Australia. There's much more glamorous people than me.
Speaker 1: You must have to have a very strong self esteem
Speaker 1: to every day be told that you are not something.
Speaker 3: I don't know whether a strong self esteem. It's just
Speaker 3: a resilience, I think, because I don't think I've got
Speaker 3: a strong self esteem. Lots of times I think, oh
Speaker 3: I'm not good enough and I'm not this, and I'm
Speaker 3: not that. But I've been doing it for so long.
Speaker 3: I've been doing it for like fifty years.
Speaker 2: You're resilient, you understand.
Speaker 3: You just go, well, I'm sorry. I mean I tested
Speaker 3: for heaps of stuff in London, and some really interesting stuff,
Speaker 3: like I had to learn a Norwegian accent.
Speaker 2: What does that sound like?
Speaker 3: Oh I'm not very good at it anymore. And I
Speaker 3: can't even think what I used to say, but.
Speaker 2: To say good morning, my name is Collette.
Speaker 3: Good morning, my name is Collette.
Speaker 4: It's very good.
Speaker 3: No, it's not.
Speaker 2: What other accents do you do?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: I try and do. I mean, look, you're putting me
Speaker 3: on the spot now, I try and do Irish accents.
Speaker 3: I'm very good at RP as they call it.
Speaker 2: What's RP?
Speaker 3: RP is recited pronunciation, it's how the queen?
Speaker 2: What did she give it to us? Give it to us? College?
Speaker 3: Well, i'd say, good morning, it's lovely to be here.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, sorry, is Judy Dent on this podcast?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: Yes, we'd love her to be. I saw her on
Speaker 3: stage while I was over there, and isn't she magical?
Speaker 3: Not acting? She was doing a thing like this.
Speaker 2: Oh, like a Q and a yes in conversation I
Speaker 2: think they call it.
Speaker 3: And she was with a gentleman that had helped her
Speaker 3: write the book. She'd written a book called Shakespeare The
Speaker 3: Man who Paid the Rent, because basically all the beginning
Speaker 3: of her career was Shakespeare. Right, And there she was
Speaker 3: at eighty seven. She's nearly blind now, she has macula degeneration. Yes,
Speaker 3: and she was amazing and funny and he was very
Speaker 3: great with her. She obviously knew him quite well. And
Speaker 3: every now and again he'd say can you do something
Speaker 3: for us? And she'd jump not do what I just said,
Speaker 3: and go, oh god, no, she'd jump up out of
Speaker 3: the chair. I was so jealous of a jumping up
Speaker 3: out of the chair. I can't jump out.
Speaker 1: Of a chair that quite quite quickly like that, yes,
Speaker 1: but you can see and swings them roundabout Cola.
Speaker 3: And she would get up and just do a long
Speaker 3: monologue from anything like she did as you like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she did as you like it.
Speaker 3: She did Julia, and it was all there, you know,
Speaker 3: it was all there in her head.
Speaker 1: It was a shame that eventually she won't be in
Speaker 1: the world. And who else knows that much?
Speaker 3: Shakespeare, nobody does, nobody, but a lot of people say
Speaker 3: that I look like her. So I'm hanging in there.
Speaker 1: You do look like her little sister, yes, you know,
Speaker 1: but like you know, a lot one of those ones
Speaker 1: sort of like I was the last in the family.
Speaker 1: That was a mistake, and all of that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot, a lot exactly.
Speaker 2: She wrote a book which you just said.
Speaker 1: You are also a published author, Collin, I speak, of course.
Speaker 2: Of It's a man's world, how clever?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 2: And give me a break?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: What were they about?
Speaker 3: Well, It's a Man's World was based. They was written
Speaker 3: when I was pregnant with Charlie, who was my youngest son,
Speaker 3: who's thirty. Oh I don't know how old he is.
Speaker 3: Thirty four, man, he's over thirty, yeah, exactly, and he
Speaker 3: I was pregnant with him and I couldn't work, and
Speaker 3: so a girlfriend and I decided we would write why
Speaker 3: couldn't you work? Because I had when i'd had Sam,
Speaker 3: who was my eldest who's thirty six. I do remember
Speaker 3: how it is because I work down from there. He
Speaker 3: when I had him, I had preyer clamps here and
Speaker 3: I had I was very I had very bad high
Speaker 3: blood pressure and all that sort of stuff which I
Speaker 3: don't have any more interesting enough, but.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that later. I think I know why.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so I had very high blood pressure. And
Speaker 3: so when I got pregnant the second time, they said,
Speaker 3: you can't work, you have to stay home. You have
Speaker 3: to you know, with your feet up. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, at the.
Speaker 3: Time I was I think I was thirty. No, I
Speaker 3: was forty when that happened. I thought, oh no, this
Speaker 3: is a disare disaster, but it was probably.
Speaker 1: The only time in your life that you've stopped well probably, yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, So I decided that i'd write a book,
Speaker 3: and a girlfriend of mine had a contact with I
Speaker 3: think I can't remember who the publishers were, but with
Speaker 3: the publishing company, and they said yes, yes, right. So
Speaker 3: it was basically it was a lifestyle guide for women
Speaker 3: in the nineties.
Speaker 2: Oh, I need a copy of it.
Speaker 3: Well, I've got I've got a couple of copies at home.
Speaker 3: I should bring it. I'll make sure you get one. Yes,
Speaker 3: I've got about I think Annie, my friend who wrote
Speaker 3: it with me, I think she found a whole lot
Speaker 3: of copies when she was moving house and she sent
Speaker 3: them to me, and I threw most of them out,
Speaker 3: but then I've kept about half a dozen.
Speaker 1: Can you remember any of these tips for women in
Speaker 1: the nineties. I'm imagining that, you know, hey, if you
Speaker 1: want to use up and outfit.
Speaker 2: Pop the collar.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, it was things like that, and.
Speaker 2: We're a necklace on the outside of ses.
Speaker 3: Actually I've done all of them. It was all of that,
Speaker 3: but it was more about things like renovating your house
Speaker 3: and trying not to meet the plumber in your ninety
Speaker 3: unless it was a really nice night.
Speaker 2: It was stuff like that, you know, I did that yesterday.
Speaker 1: I had a guy come over to put a television
Speaker 1: on the wall, because God knows, instructions are not my friend.
Speaker 2: No, And I I'm.
Speaker 1: A very sort of like casual person, and I answered that.
Speaker 1: I was still in my dressing gown when I answered,
Speaker 1: it answered the door. And it wasn't until a little
Speaker 1: bit later that I thought, that's odd.
Speaker 3: It is. It's a little bit creepy. It's a little
Speaker 3: bit like Harvey Weinstein.
Speaker 1: And I was just this whirling dervish of lady madness.
Speaker 2: I was like, come on, come upstairs.
Speaker 1: And then this strange man was following me up to
Speaker 1: my bedroom and I was wearing.
Speaker 2: A dressing app and I just thought.
Speaker 1: Probably should have got dressed, Probably should have put aside
Speaker 1: ten minutes to check on something. Yes, Yeah, it's creepy.
Speaker 1: And what is your What was your second book about?
Speaker 1: Give Me a Break?
Speaker 3: That was about I was doing Vagina Monologues, a one
Speaker 3: woman show, and my son Sam was twelve and broke
Speaker 3: his leg in twenty four places. He likes to do
Speaker 3: things really wellw Look, it's a long story which I
Speaker 3: won't bore you with because I was told to different stories.
Speaker 3: At the age of about thirty, he told me the
Speaker 3: truth that happens it certainly, Dars. Did you believe the
Speaker 3: first story he told it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I did. So what was the first story?
Speaker 3: The first story was that he was watching some boys
Speaker 3: play football, and a big he was, he was year seven,
Speaker 3: a big year ten boy fell on.
Speaker 2: Him twenty four places.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he had his knees up and it was
Speaker 3: in the thigh. It was the femur that the year
Speaker 3: ten boy did fall on him, but that was when
Speaker 3: they were wrestling. That's the real that's the real truth
Speaker 3: of the story. Why a year a small year seven
Speaker 3: boy decided to take on a rather large year ten boy,
Speaker 3: I don't know, but that's the story. Anyway. He broke
Speaker 3: it in twenty four places, and he was only a
Speaker 3: little bloke at that time. And when they put they
Speaker 3: put him into what they call a Zakarov cage. Yes,
Speaker 3: and so had.
Speaker 2: Roy tins all the way through it and keep right straight.
Speaker 3: And so he couldn't go back to school because he
Speaker 3: was too he couldn't support himself on crutches, and so
Speaker 3: he had to be in a wheelchair, and at the time,
Speaker 3: the very expensive school didn't have ramps. Of course they
Speaker 3: have them now, and so he was home for six months.
Speaker 3: So while he was home, I wrote the story. Well,
Speaker 3: basically the story was my experience of him breaking his
Speaker 3: leg and homeschooling and all of that stuff, and then
Speaker 3: his version of what happened. So it was a chapter
Speaker 3: with my part of the story, Sam's part of the story.
Speaker 3: Then Charlie, my younger one, went well, I want to
Speaker 3: be in that book, and so I said, okay, but
Speaker 3: of course he wrote maybe three or four lines and
Speaker 3: then said this is boring. And then I had to write,
Speaker 3: I had to channel here what a cute idea, And
Speaker 3: so I've got copies of that too. So and it
Speaker 3: was called give Me a Break. A mother, two sons,
Speaker 3: and a walking frame.
Speaker 2: That's what it was.
Speaker 1: Brilliant well, and also ten points for another pun in
Speaker 1: the title give me a Break.
Speaker 3: It's a man's a there's a bit of a pattern.
Speaker 2: There is there another book in you?
Speaker 3: Well from me?
Speaker 2: You should ask about.
Speaker 3: Not long after I left Neighbors, I thought I'd quite
Speaker 3: like to because before I'd been asked about writing a book,
Speaker 3: and I thought i'd be quite interested to write a book,
Speaker 3: and so I started thinking of an idea, which I
Speaker 3: don't really have a title for this one yet, but
Speaker 3: it's because I teach a lot. It was about teaching acting,
Speaker 3: but applying what I teach in acting to my own life.
Speaker 3: Right Like, for instance, when I walked the Kakoda Trail
Speaker 3: right back when I was forty four or five forty
Speaker 3: five something, about thirty years ago, I learned for myself
Speaker 3: that I really only need to look the first ten
Speaker 3: steps ahead of me in anything long, because if I
Speaker 3: look at the whole mountain, I won't do it. Yes,
Speaker 3: and so I so that was going to be sort
Speaker 3: of one part of it, because I teach that in acting,
Speaker 3: don't look at the whole script. Just look at what
Speaker 3: you've got to deal with for this right.
Speaker 1: And then it's similar to my little mindset that in
Speaker 1: order to achieve contentment, don't look at the next year
Speaker 1: or five years or a ten year like a five
Speaker 1: year plan to me is utterly ridiculous and unattainable. All
Speaker 1: you've got is from the time you open your eyes
Speaker 1: in the morning until the time you close your eyes
Speaker 1: at night. That's it. That's sixteen hours. It's twenty four
Speaker 1: hour day. Let's say you're one of the lucky ones
Speaker 1: and you get eight hours to sleep, You've got sixteen
Speaker 1: hours left left. Pack it with the good stuff, and
Speaker 1: then do it the next day, and then do it
Speaker 1: the next day, and then all of a sudden in
Speaker 1: the bank you've got days and days of fulfillment and contentment.
Speaker 3: Exactly. Well that I mean, it's not always like that.
Speaker 3: My life is a bit of a roller coaster, as
Speaker 3: I'm sure yours is. But the thing is that I
Speaker 3: if anything, it doesn't matter if it's a big thing
Speaker 3: or a small thing, or it's a great thing or
Speaker 3: a bad thing. I try and only look ten steps ahead.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I have to pull myself up because I'm looking
Speaker 3: at the whole mountain.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you go, hang on, Yeah, that's control the controllables,
Speaker 1: as my friend Jonathan Brown said, Yes, control the controllables.
Speaker 3: That's a good thing. It's like, don't worry about you
Speaker 3: can't worry about things you can't control.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: And I'm starting to learn that at the age of
Speaker 3: seventy four, which I think is about the time I
Speaker 3: should be learning it too late.
Speaker 1: A good day for me is when I have a walk,
Speaker 1: and I've noticed that you are all so a walker.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: I love walking. It has changed my life in many
Speaker 1: many ways. Why is it important to you.
Speaker 3: Well, I walked to the Kokoda Trail, but I was
Speaker 3: much heavier, although I lost a lot of weight on that,
Speaker 3: and that was thirty years ago, and it was something
Speaker 3: that always sat in my mind because for a lot
Speaker 3: of the time when you're walking, even though I was
Speaker 3: with a group of people, you're not talking because you
Speaker 3: can't because you're yeah, yeah, and you're going uphill like
Speaker 3: that because Kokoda Trail is incredibly steep. But I've always
Speaker 3: wanted to walk, so I've done a few walks on
Speaker 3: my own, like I walked Hadrian's Wall in England about oh,
Speaker 3: I can't remember, twenty seventeen or something, and that was
Speaker 3: seven days on your own. I got lost so many times.
Speaker 2: God, that sounds like bliss.
Speaker 3: Oh well, no, it had its moments, but even if
Speaker 3: it's hard, it's yes, it was bliss at the end.
Speaker 3: And it was bliss each night because I stayed at
Speaker 3: B and B's and they were always great because they're great.
Speaker 3: England have really got that together. I walked Milford Track
Speaker 3: in a group, which was interesting.
Speaker 2: That's in New Zealand, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, and I did that for four days, I think,
Speaker 3: and I've done and in London the last year that
Speaker 3: I was there, I used to walk easily about seven
Speaker 3: miles a day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the ones I want to talk about, the
Speaker 1: everyday ones, the A to B ones, the self care ones,
Speaker 1: the mental health one.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I at the moment because I've got a
Speaker 3: bit of a hip problem, which you're going to give
Speaker 3: me the name of your man, Yes, I will. I've
Speaker 3: been walking less since I've been back in Australia, but
Speaker 3: not I walk every day, but it's a bit boring
Speaker 3: for me at the moment because I'm only walking around
Speaker 3: the area I live in, which I know back like
Speaker 3: the back of my hand. What was lovely about London
Speaker 3: was that I'd find somewhere to walk different that I'd
Speaker 3: never been before, so exciting and I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it when you go somewhere new. I
Speaker 1: sometimes I've been doing that lately too, just around my area,
Speaker 1: and it is a bit dull. Yeah, there are many
Speaker 1: other benefits, but the snapping of the signapses and seeing
Speaker 1: new stuff and creating new pathways is not part of
Speaker 1: that sort of traditional walk. But I have, you know,
Speaker 1: in the past, at least once or twice a week,
Speaker 1: driven somewhere I've never been before and got out of
Speaker 1: the car, and you can do that, yes, and it
Speaker 1: feels like I'm sure. I mean, I've never been to Europe,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure it feels as exciting as seeing new stuff.
Speaker 2: It's just new stuff, it is.
Speaker 3: It's new stuff. And like I in London, I would
Speaker 3: because I lived outside. I lived in what they call
Speaker 3: Greater London, which is outside the city center because it's
Speaker 3: so expensive. And I lived out there and I was
Speaker 3: lucky enough to be surrounded by trees and woods, not bush.
Speaker 3: You don't say the bush, no, you say the woods.
Speaker 3: And so I would walk through the woods at least
Speaker 3: three or four times a week, which was lovely. And
Speaker 3: you know, it changed all the time through the seasons,
Speaker 3: which was great. And I would go a different way
Speaker 3: through the woods and quite often get lost. But I
Speaker 3: never panic when I get lost, because we've got everything.
Speaker 2: In our hand, that's right.
Speaker 3: But I would do that, or I'd just go into
Speaker 3: the city and walk around a different part of the
Speaker 3: city because it's so massive London. Yeah, and again you
Speaker 3: think you.
Speaker 2: Just got to find one little treasure and the whole
Speaker 2: thing's been worth it.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 1: A lot of people ask me how do I start?
Speaker 1: You walk so much? How many kilometers do you do?
Speaker 1: How many steps do you do? And for me, that
Speaker 1: is utterly irrelevant all of it. And what I say
Speaker 1: to them is how you start is all You've got
Speaker 1: to do is make one commitment, and that is to
Speaker 1: put your runners on every morning and then you're ready
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 3: Yeap.
Speaker 1: That helped me because if there is an excuse, particularly
Speaker 1: I mean, now that I know how life changing it is,
Speaker 1: you know excuses that they don't exist, but at the
Speaker 1: beginning there's always an excuse. It's too cold, I'm already
Speaker 1: dressed for work, blah blah blah. Yeah. To take those
Speaker 1: roadblocks out is what helped me. Have people reached out
Speaker 1: to you and said, call it, what can I You're
Speaker 1: always walking? I want to walk?
Speaker 3: Well, you see. The other thing that I do as
Speaker 3: well as walking, and it's become a religion for me,
Speaker 3: is that I do yoga every morning, every single morning.
Speaker 2: And I would like to do that and.
Speaker 3: I've been doing it for now eight I've done eight
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty days in a row. Wow, and look
Speaker 3: sometimes again like you say, you think, oh my god,
Speaker 3: can I be bothered? But I do it every I
Speaker 3: get up, have a shower, I do.
Speaker 2: The yogre, so the routine.
Speaker 3: It's important. Yeah, And it's only like I got up
Speaker 3: at six thirty this morning because I needed to be
Speaker 3: here by ten, but I had to do yoga. And
Speaker 3: you know, my son say to me, oh, why don't
Speaker 3: you take a day off? No, because I'm superstitious too
Speaker 3: about things. You know, if I take a day off,
Speaker 3: something will go wrong.
Speaker 1: And also who wins if you take a day off?
Speaker 1: It's not Yes, it's not taking a day off. It's
Speaker 1: not a chore. No.
Speaker 3: So I would do I did it all the way
Speaker 3: through England too. I'd get up and do yoga, and
Speaker 3: then I'd get dressed, and I'd decide that I was
Speaker 3: going to do something like whether I was going to
Speaker 3: go I'd never been to Regent's Canal, so I'd get
Speaker 3: a train and go there and then walk the length
Speaker 3: of Regent's Canal. Or I would decide I was going
Speaker 3: to do something else.
Speaker 1: So what are the key advantages for you of this
Speaker 1: daily practice of walking.
Speaker 3: Well, it's if you don't use it, you lose it.
Speaker 3: Because I'm of that age group where you know, I
Speaker 3: do have arthritis in obviously in one hip, and I
Speaker 3: think I've got writers and a couple of in my ankle.
Speaker 3: But the thing is that goes away when you're walking.
Speaker 3: It doesn't restrict you. I mean, you said, do people
Speaker 3: reach out to me? A lot of people on social media?
Speaker 3: Would you know if I because I posted a lot
Speaker 3: about walking in London and they go, oh, you're out
Speaker 3: in the rain, and as my mother used to say,
Speaker 3: you're not made of sugar. So true, and they or
Speaker 3: they'd say, oh, you're so lucky you can walk so far.
Speaker 3: I can't. I've got arthritis. Admittedly I don't know their circumstances,
Speaker 3: but I think, well some have. I got arthritis. But
Speaker 3: I could sit home like my mother did and get
Speaker 3: stiffer and stiffer and stiffer and knit, or I could
Speaker 3: be out in the world and also knit and knit,
Speaker 3: yes exactly, because I still knit. But it's just a
Speaker 3: feeling that I don't want to be. I want to
Speaker 3: keep moving basically, and like I said at the beginning
Speaker 3: of this chat, I like to look forward. You can
Speaker 3: only look forward if you're walking, because if you look behind,
Speaker 3: you get run over by something or whatever.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean. It's a great meta yeah,
Speaker 2: for life. Yeah, I like to look forward motion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I sound like I'm Julia Gillard. Wasn't she
Speaker 3: always moving forward?
Speaker 2: I feel like she was. I do love Julia Gillard,
Speaker 2: so yeah.
Speaker 3: So I think that's what it is about me, is
Speaker 3: that I really and I like to have structure in
Speaker 3: my life, and particularly after I left Neighbors, I didn't
Speaker 3: like the fact that I didn't have the structure in
Speaker 3: my life to have to get up and go to
Speaker 3: work every day. So I like to do something every day.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Neighbors, I saw it's still it's still going,
Speaker 1: still going.
Speaker 2: It was going away and now it's back.
Speaker 1: I saw a recent storyline where doctor Carl, who's been
Speaker 1: on the show for roughly.
Speaker 2: Two hundred and seventy years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he he played well. His storyline was a poo jogger.
Speaker 1: He was riding his bike, he was struck by the
Speaker 1: knee to go to the toilet, scurried into the bushes
Speaker 1: and did a pooh. And I just thought that is
Speaker 1: a storyline that I don't think anyone saw coming. What
Speaker 1: is the weirdest, most unusual storyline that you've been written into.
Speaker 2: In Neighbors.
Speaker 3: There are a number of them. I think one of
Speaker 3: them was where I supposedly got dementia, but then I
Speaker 3: got over it quite quickly because.
Speaker 2: That's what happens. Yeah, goes away. There's a cure for.
Speaker 3: It, yes, exactly. And I must say that when this
Speaker 3: is a bit more dramatic, when they decided to kill
Speaker 3: off my son, who was played by Damien Richardson, I
Speaker 3: announced to them that I didn't want any hair or
Speaker 3: makeup for about six weeks afterwards, which caused no end
Speaker 3: of drama in a number of departments. The makeup department
Speaker 3: really supported me through it, but a lot of the
Speaker 3: directors do you know you look shocking? And I went, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm grieving, but my character's grieving.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be looking shocking because I know what grieving.
Speaker 2: Is about, you know.
Speaker 3: But the other silly storyline, which I really disliked enormously
Speaker 3: but had to do because basically, when you're working in
Speaker 3: a show like that, all those little elements are like
Speaker 3: Domino's and if you take one out the whole thing
Speaker 3: falls over.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so they had my son who was Damien Richardson,
Speaker 3: and my grandson who was Chris Milligan, both in love
Speaker 3: with the same woman, right, and I had to play
Speaker 3: the go between. And I said, I'm sorry, this is
Speaker 3: really ridiculous.
Speaker 2: But he did it.
Speaker 3: I did it. And that was getting back to the
Speaker 3: book idea. I had to find another way to play it,
Speaker 3: to make it work in my head, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. And that's a bit like life too, that
Speaker 3: sometimes when things don't work, you have to find another
Speaker 3: way to play it, if you like. Yeah, And so
Speaker 3: that's what the book was about. It was things about
Speaker 3: finding another way. And then I'd tell a story about
Speaker 3: my life and then explain another acting thing, whether it
Speaker 3: be you know, to what do you want? That's a
Speaker 3: big thing in acting. You in every scene you go
Speaker 3: what do you want? As the character? So asking that
Speaker 3: of yourself, what do you want? And being really truthful
Speaker 3: about the answer, you know. So that was what the
Speaker 3: book was about.
Speaker 2: Truthful about the answer is key. Yes.
Speaker 1: I feel like in a weird way, ever since we
Speaker 1: met on the set of The Circle God must be
Speaker 1: twelve years ago now, and I'm.
Speaker 3: So excited because you were the one who got me
Speaker 3: on the circle as a regular, and I couldn't believe
Speaker 3: how incredibly gracious and fabulous you were. But then then
Speaker 3: we became friends and we've been friends ever since.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the minute I met you, I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: this is this person is wired similar to me. I
Speaker 1: recognize that in you, and you know, I just can't
Speaker 1: believe you're twenty five years older than me. That is
Speaker 1: crazy because I feel like we are sort of the
Speaker 1: same person, but you're wiser. Oh no, you you just
Speaker 1: mentioned grief and that is something that I have been
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to escape so far in my fifty years.
Speaker 1: Can you tell me how you deal with grief and
Speaker 1: what were the events that made you feel grief?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Interestingly enough, just before we go on to that,
Speaker 3: if we've got time, I did a part time job
Speaker 3: in London which was role playing for the medical profession, right,
Speaker 3: so an actor that you're working in front of doctors
Speaker 3: who are being examined by another doctor. And one of
Speaker 3: the big stations that's what they're called that I was
Speaker 3: often given in these jobs was the call called the
Speaker 3: breaking bad news station, where I had to be a
Speaker 3: woman whose son was dying, and you do it twenty
Speaker 3: four times a day. And when I was doing it
Speaker 3: the first time with the examiner, who was a wonderful
Speaker 3: guy from some hospital in Newcastle, was looking at all
Speaker 3: these young doctors.
Speaker 2: So the doctors were real, oh yeah, they're right, Okay.
Speaker 3: They need this certification from the Imperial College of London
Speaker 3: because it's considered up there, you know. And so it
Speaker 3: was to get them to say your son is dying,
Speaker 3: because I'll say anything else, but yes, they'll say he's
Speaker 3: very very poorly, or they'll say it's not good. No,
Speaker 3: he's struggling. He's struggling, he's not very good. And that's
Speaker 3: all say that because they were from all over the world.
Speaker 3: A lot of them were Middle Eastern and you know,
Speaker 3: and Asian and stuff like that, and they had even
Speaker 3: more cultural difficulties saying it. And I had to get
Speaker 3: them to say as an objective, as an actor, had
Speaker 3: to get them to say, your son is dying or
Speaker 3: your son is about to die. And after this examiner
Speaker 3: the first day had watched me for about five or
Speaker 3: six times, he went, in the little ten minute break
Speaker 3: we had in between each one, he went, oh god,
Speaker 3: this is torture. And I said why. I said, I
Speaker 3: thought I was doing a really good job, and he went,
Speaker 3: how do you do that? How do you cry every
Speaker 3: time they come in? And I but again, you sort
Speaker 3: of apply it to your own life, right, And I
Speaker 3: could easily think about it was one of my sons,
Speaker 3: you know, but it is exhausting to do it. But
Speaker 3: getting back to your question, my mother dying when I
Speaker 3: was I think I was thirty eight. I didn't know it,
Speaker 3: but I was pregnant with Sam at the time.
Speaker 2: That's your second son, no, my first, your first.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And she died well, she got sick at seventy four, touchwood,
Speaker 3: and she died at seventy seven. And it was and
Speaker 3: she was we cared for her, my ex husband and
Speaker 3: I cared for her for the last twelve months and
Speaker 3: she died of stomach cancer. And it was awful. But
Speaker 3: interestingly enough, in that process, I think I did nearly
Speaker 3: all of my grieving as she was dying, right, because
Speaker 3: I just felt enormous relief for her and for me
Speaker 3: and for John. When she did die, it kind of
Speaker 3: hit me about six or eight weeks later where I
Speaker 3: suddenly thought, oh, something happened, and I thought, oh, I
Speaker 3: mustering mum and then realized that she wasn't there and
Speaker 3: I had a bit of a mini breakdown then. But
Speaker 3: that was an interesting because she was so ill for
Speaker 3: so long, you kind of prepare yourself for it, and
Speaker 3: so that was an interesting process. Then when my marriage
Speaker 3: broke up, which is now I think sixteen seventeen years ago,
Speaker 3: that's another kind of grief because you grieve.
Speaker 2: For your hopes and dreams.
Speaker 3: Yes, and the life that you had. And it took me.
Speaker 3: I should become a counselor for women going through it.
Speaker 3: It took me about five or six years to get
Speaker 3: over it. Wow, because we've been together for twenty four years, So.
Speaker 2: What did that look like that five or six years?
Speaker 1: Because I assume that you had small children, you had
Speaker 1: to get on with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my kids were fifteen and eighteen still, but
Speaker 3: they and it was devastating for them too. It was awful.
Speaker 3: Those five years were awful. Why, I'll be honest, I
Speaker 3: hate to lose. And there was another woman involved whom
Speaker 3: he's has since married. I haven't had much to do
Speaker 3: with him. I'm not one of those who says I
Speaker 3: can be still good friends. I can't be. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: and I'm not unpleasant, and we've spoken like his mother
Speaker 3: died fairly recently, and he let me know when I
Speaker 3: was in London, and we sort of went backwards and
Speaker 3: forwards with a couple of messages. But it's not somebody
Speaker 3: that I would rush to spend time.
Speaker 1: So what's your advice to women that you know have
Speaker 1: been in long term relationships? It breaks down and they're
Speaker 1: angry and they hate to lose. Well, you know, what
Speaker 1: would you do again to maybe expedite the grieving from
Speaker 1: six years to a year?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, unfortunately for us at the time, we were
Speaker 3: in a company together, right, And so for reasons I
Speaker 3: won't bore you with.
Speaker 2: So never shit in the nest is what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly exactly. So for reasons that taxation and yeah,
Speaker 3: and Bory said and all that, we had to stay
Speaker 3: in that company for five years, right. Oh, and so
Speaker 3: for the first couple of years, I just tortured myself
Speaker 3: basically because I was running the company by then financially,
Speaker 3: and every time he wanted more money to do something
Speaker 3: or do this, or he was working as well, and
Speaker 3: I was working the money he was going into the company,
Speaker 3: but he was wanting obviously wanting more.
Speaker 1: For very hard you would have preferred to life, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you will prefer to clean break.
Speaker 3: Yes, And so I would say to people if I
Speaker 3: ever had to go through it again, which I won't
Speaker 3: under any circumstances.
Speaker 2: Because never marrying again.
Speaker 3: No, not while I've got breath in my body.
Speaker 2: One and done. Is that that's right.
Speaker 3: I've had two husbands and clearly I'm not good at.
Speaker 2: It, so not one and done, two and pooh.
Speaker 3: Yes exactly. But I would say, make the break as
Speaker 3: soon as you possibly can, and even if you do
Speaker 3: want to be friends in the future, which I'd say,
Speaker 3: we wouldn't kill each other if we saw each other now.
Speaker 3: But there were times I thought of a killing myself,
Speaker 3: killing him, killing her everything, you know, blaming everybody but myself, fury.
Speaker 3: I've now got to the point where I say it
Speaker 3: was fifty to fifty. I wasn't great. I didn't like
Speaker 3: the way he did it. But if he'd been man
Speaker 3: enough to speak up and say this is not what
Speaker 3: I want, it probably would have been a bit easier. Yes,
Speaker 3: But I wasn't great in the last five years of
Speaker 3: the marriage either. So in what way I think the
Speaker 3: kids were really important to me and getting them through and.
Speaker 2: Your focus was also My.
Speaker 3: Focus was elsewhere. One of the things that he said
Speaker 3: at the end, which was probably true, was that I
Speaker 3: had a career and all he had was a job.
Speaker 3: And so, yeah, I know, we'll talk about it off here,
Speaker 3: but there were extenuating circumstances. But my kids were really
Speaker 3: important to me, as they are to anymodey.
Speaker 1: I think this is a really relatable situation for women
Speaker 1: in long term relationships. You have children, yes, and it's
Speaker 1: a really hard balance to strike.
Speaker 3: It is a hard balance to strike, and I think
Speaker 3: respect went by the wayside on both sides, and so
Speaker 3: I blamed myself a lot for that, but it took
Speaker 3: me a long time to get to that, yes, And
Speaker 3: once I got to that, I was fine.
Speaker 2: And it would have been quicker had the process been.
Speaker 3: Quicker, exactly, And if I hadn't had to deal with him,
Speaker 3: even in a financial way for the five years. And
Speaker 3: once I made the break and bought my own place
Speaker 3: and moved and all of that, life's got better. So
Speaker 3: my advice to women is try to cut off all
Speaker 3: unnecessary contact until you feel strong enough to deal with
Speaker 3: it in a good way. Because I did things, as
Speaker 3: we've all done at different times. I did things that
Speaker 3: I'm not proud of.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was in the bath last night and I read
Speaker 1: an article in the Women's Weekly, which I love, about
Speaker 1: great divorce.
Speaker 2: And it's a new thing.
Speaker 1: Women are leaving relationships after twenty years of marriage and
Speaker 1: never getting married again.
Speaker 2: Yes, loving themselves sick. You are in this boat. Yes,
Speaker 2: Why what's wrong with marriage?
Speaker 3: Well, I've done it twice, and I suspect I'm not
Speaker 3: very good at it.
Speaker 1: But I've never done it. Oh, and I also suspect
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be very good at it.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, well I think you're wise and people, I mean,
Speaker 3: I've had I'm not offers of marriage, I'm not saying that,
Speaker 3: but I've even had offers of dalliances or relationships or whatever,
Speaker 3: and I'm just not interested. I mean, I think it's got.
Speaker 3: I think it's very individual. I was with somebody, as
Speaker 3: in boyfriend's, boyfriend's, boys friend's husband, boyfriend, boyfriend husband from
Speaker 3: the age of fourteen. Basically, I was always with somebody,
Speaker 3: and I may possibly only had maybe three or four
Speaker 3: months between right to suddenly be on my own at
Speaker 3: the age of fifty six, and then suddenly ill fifty
Speaker 3: seven really, but I thought I would never get used
Speaker 3: to it, but you get used to it really quickly.
Speaker 3: And now, not that I've had any office to get
Speaker 3: married or anything like that, but the thought of having
Speaker 3: to defer, I know this sounds very selfish, and you
Speaker 3: can make your own decision, but to defer to somebody
Speaker 3: like to suddenly pack up and go and live in
Speaker 3: London for a year and not know when I was
Speaker 3: coming back whatever and not have to ask anybody. The
Speaker 3: other thing too, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that wouldn't suit someone that you were living with.
Speaker 1: I get it, you know.
Speaker 3: And even look I saying this about my ex husband John.
Speaker 3: He was pretty good about my caress, the first one
Speaker 3: or the second one. He was pretty good about my
Speaker 3: career in as much as I toured with when the
Speaker 3: kids were little, but basically one of us had to
Speaker 3: make some money.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, and also he knew what he was getting into.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. My first husband didn't know what he was
Speaker 3: getting into because he met me when I was at
Speaker 3: university pretending to be becoming a lawyer.
Speaker 2: Yes, and your greatest role of all time.
Speaker 3: Yes exactly. And pretending to become a lawyer and then
Speaker 3: leaving university and becoming a school teacher, which I was
Speaker 3: for twelve months, and then suddenly I was in theater,
Speaker 3: which he didn't cope with the change very well at all.
Speaker 3: And I totally understand that as well, you know. And
Speaker 3: so I'm a very good ex wife. I'm just not
Speaker 3: a very good wife. And that's five yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Before we leave, I really want to you know, I
Speaker 1: was raised by television.
Speaker 2: We all were in the seventies and eight. Yes, it
Speaker 2: was just.
Speaker 3: Like now we're raised by Netflix, yeah, correct or YouTube? Yeah.
Speaker 1: And one of the greatest theme songs of all time
Speaker 1: is that from Prisoner. And I wanted to know if
Speaker 1: you know any of the words and could we sing
Speaker 1: out from our podcast together the theme from Prisoner.
Speaker 3: Well, we can have a try. You knowing you you
Speaker 3: will know so many more of the words because you
Speaker 3: know the words to so many songs that I've never
Speaker 3: even heard of.
Speaker 2: I do. But let's just give it a crack.
Speaker 3: Okay, here you go, me me me, let's do worry.
Speaker 3: You've got a siren when you're warming up? Okay, no,
Speaker 3: further up.
Speaker 2: I know the first things just cut. The first words
Speaker 2: have come into my head here.
Speaker 4: You still bring meses I wish she would again, but
Speaker 4: that was on me outside and.
Speaker 1: Things were different than timpany drums, I mean side grow.
Speaker 2: They don't mind the stony.
Speaker 1: Grand and the Throseszer prisoners too.
Speaker 2: When morning comes around call it man, Thank you so much,
Speaker 2: ha ha brilliant. Isn't she so cheeky and wise and adorable.
Speaker 1: If you want to see a recreation in my current
Speaker 1: backyard of Collet's character Doreen from Prisoner holding her signature
Speaker 1: teddy bear, I know you do, head to the Chrissy
Speaker 1: cast on it's and Facebook. Thanks so much for popping over.
Speaker 1: I just love it when you do.