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Speaker 2: Now, don't say any of that stuff that you don't see,
Speaker 2: any of that swinging stuff you're just talking about. It
Speaker 2: takes really good offense.
Speaker 1: You don't mean mat I'm a puritan. I again, Well,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming over it. Yeah, we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: the fight in the second against Sonny. But you come
Speaker 1: over this way much.
Speaker 3: Not often. But I do have a good maiden want
Speaker 3: to grow with. He's a builder of this way. He's
Speaker 3: partners with Jake Wall and that they got a pretty
Speaker 3: good business going. So I do come over and see
Speaker 3: him every now and then, but you're not that often.
Speaker 2: I was just going to say, so, then, why did
Speaker 2: you win so much? When I asked you to come
Speaker 2: over here. You made such a big fuss about it,
Speaker 2: like you would just traveled to the other side of the year.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll be honest, I worked for TGIBI, but I
Speaker 3: do like your radio station when I listening to be
Speaker 3: listening to you guys, and I really like you know
Speaker 3: obviously Colin Jackie A and Intern Pede and I actually
Speaker 3: had a phone call from intern Pizza. I was pretty
Speaker 3: tough to get a phone off from him. And then
Speaker 3: he told me what he was ringing me for to
Speaker 3: get you, and then I just got caught.
Speaker 4: At the moment. Just get caught at the moment.
Speaker 3: You just get asked about things, and I just got
Speaker 3: caught up in it and I felt really bad after it.
Speaker 4: So I message, happens, happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll let me see he's he cops ten times
Speaker 1: worse than that. But yeah, you're the star of the
Speaker 1: Pedophiles as they call it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a real blindside because you and you
Speaker 2: messaged me like the day before. I didn't even know
Speaker 2: the ambush was coming, just with an apology and saying
Speaker 2: how you love the show. And I was like, why
Speaker 2: what are you apologizing before? Girl? And then he just
Speaker 2: never got back to me, and I was like something
Speaker 2: he got me on the path. I was like, something's
Speaker 2: fucking going on. Someone, someone's coming for me. And then
Speaker 2: it still hit me, still ambushed me.
Speaker 1: I didn't even realize knew it was something's going on
Speaker 1: because I woke up up in the morning and there
Speaker 1: are about fifteen miss calls from inter Pete, what's going
Speaker 1: on here? And Matt Maddie, how a mate? What are
Speaker 1: you doing? Pet I'm just on the road of the moment,
Speaker 1: the road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you really.
Speaker 1: Sign for Mainly? At one point?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was very close two thousand and seven. So
Speaker 3: into two thousand and seven, got the deal for Manly,
Speaker 3: which was pretty much just significantly more than we had
Speaker 3: at Cronulla, and I was all but done. I was,
Speaker 3: I was pretty much I hadn't signed the contract obviously,
Speaker 3: but I was all but done. Me and my wife
Speaker 3: now it was my partner of the time. We come
Speaker 3: over here for the weekend to spend some time over
Speaker 3: here for the weekend, just check it all out. And
Speaker 3: we went back home and she goes, you know what,
Speaker 3: I really don't like people to road. I was, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: So did I listened to her?
Speaker 2: Was that enough?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: That was enough? Fair enough? So we didn't sign.
Speaker 3: And then mainly when the commed two thousand and eight
Speaker 3: Tom kicking meself, so that Bosa was I was trying
Speaker 3: to get me. Yeah, And the funny thing was Boso
Speaker 3: had a fair bit to pull out of in Origin.
Speaker 3: And when I met met Ricky Stewart, who was a
Speaker 3: cronelicache at the time, he said, mate, if you leave
Speaker 3: the club, I'll be filthy.
Speaker 4: And he goes, what do you want to do about
Speaker 4: red footy?
Speaker 3: And I said, what do you What do you mean
Speaker 3: I want to play red foot He goes, if you leave,
Speaker 3: you plan any brit footy And I sort of believe
Speaker 3: him at the time, and I thought, well, now I
Speaker 3: realized Bozo was one to try to get me, probably
Speaker 3: looked after me anyway. But then then I had to
Speaker 3: get out cause in my contract, if the coach left
Speaker 3: the club, I could leave the club. So Ricky Steell
Speaker 3: get sacked in twenty ten mainly popped back up again.
Speaker 3: Now I was look, the money was no different at
Speaker 3: this stage I'd been money wise, was okay cronel at
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 4: Like back in two.
Speaker 3: Thousand and seven, it was a lot big, not double,
Speaker 3: but significantly different. Twenty and ten it wasn't was pretty
Speaker 3: much the same. But my missus said again, No, I
Speaker 3: don't want to go people who won the comic twenty eleven. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden two thousand, everything happens
Speaker 3: at corn we know about, like and I'm going to
Speaker 3: sit there.
Speaker 4: I was that angry missus.
Speaker 3: Sure you could have put people have run two comps
Speaker 3: when we're going for all this crap, And it was
Speaker 3: just like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Given the fact that when you just won the comp
Speaker 1: at twenty sixteen, to even think for a second that
Speaker 1: you might have missed that would have absolutely killed me.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy I stayed. And I think I was
Speaker 3: just true to myself too, like I like to think
Speaker 3: I'm a little guy, and yeah, I stayed true to
Speaker 3: the club. And I remember when I signed that contract,
Speaker 3: that that contract twenty ten, I promised myself. So I
Speaker 3: promised myself, IM going to beat this club. When when
Speaker 3: we went to Calm, I promised myself and obviously a
Speaker 3: lot of things happening between that and I remember, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm going to beat this club. I didn't from a
Speaker 3: strap up, I'm going to beat this club.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sure we turned it around and we got the
Speaker 3: job in twenty sixteen, which may have absolutely made it
Speaker 3: all worth it say, so glad to stay.
Speaker 1: You're one of the rare blokes to reject Bozo and
Speaker 1: him not told a grudge against you. Halfway through the
Speaker 1: ninety three season, I got a call from those on
Speaker 1: Frank Stanton and said, mate, Cliff, he's getting on. Cliffe
Speaker 1: would played for another four or five years. Mateh we'd
Speaker 1: like to have Andy because I say, okay. So I
Speaker 1: traveled down here and meet with Frank Stanton Boza. At
Speaker 1: the end of the year. I still hadn't made him
Speaker 1: made up my marble. I had, but I didn't know
Speaker 1: how to tall Boza because he go he ring out
Speaker 1: what's doing? And I go, oh, hollo, Bob, how are you? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Mate?
Speaker 1: Anyway, we get to at the end of the season
Speaker 1: what's doing and I went, oh. Before I answer, he go,
Speaker 1: you know the kangaroo tool takes off in a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. He goes, well, I'm telling you that there's
Speaker 1: a player in your position who mate, you know he
Speaker 1: might get ruled out.
Speaker 2: You know I worried about he's grownd bake it.
Speaker 1: Ruled out And you know, anyway, I said, look, I'm
Speaker 1: going to stay at Newcastle. Oh yeah, no problem. Bang
Speaker 1: didn't get picked a course and Benny Alias told the
Speaker 1: same story. Going in ninety four he got offered Bozo
Speaker 1: Mate come to Manley a couple of years yep, and
Speaker 1: he was going to be on the key grou tour
Speaker 1: is going to be named. I think he was might
Speaker 1: have been New South Bolles captain that year. And he goes,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and anyway, knocking back Ben a lie shock
Speaker 1: o mission from the tour.
Speaker 4: Benny's story. I get up pretty good with Benny. He's
Speaker 4: a fantastic.
Speaker 3: Fella and he told me that story.
Speaker 2: You know what's weird? Dad told me last night your
Speaker 2: last year in the NRL. Was it your first year?
Speaker 3: You guys played on you and your brother since you
Speaker 3: were this big, And yeah, when I was twenty years old,
Speaker 3: Maddie john someone at the club, and yeah, I like
Speaker 3: to play Maddie Johns.
Speaker 4: Obviously I knew exactly who he was.
Speaker 3: Coming back from England one watching win premierships was it
Speaker 3: was a pretty pretty cool thing for myself.
Speaker 4: And I do remember Maddie.
Speaker 3: We remember our Harveys to train Chris mate, he's a
Speaker 3: trainers really so wes to train so hard we went.
Speaker 3: We lost like six in a row. We're not winning
Speaker 3: like eleven or twelve games straight to finish inside the
Speaker 3: top four. He just me's down in the Grand Final.
Speaker 3: But we trained so hard and we do it.
Speaker 4: It was an aw sort of thing. So I remember me.
Speaker 3: All I remember about Maddie Johns was running sea.
Speaker 4: It was one day got down to his Undy's. I think,
Speaker 4: I think you might.
Speaker 3: One day and I'll never forget a bloke you might know.
Speaker 3: You probably remember Pat Gibson. I still taught to Patty
Speaker 3: Gibson all the time where it was still good mates,
Speaker 3: and Paddy Gibson was his young Mike my age, fit
Speaker 3: as fit as you can imagine.
Speaker 4: Blake just powering up these heads. Come on, Maddie, you
Speaker 4: can do it. You can do it.
Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up absolutely where to look like Maddy
Speaker 3: John's just hamming him. I was actually thinking about YouTube
Speaker 3: boys on the way over there. You guys used to
Speaker 3: come to train and run around this big but I
Speaker 3: remember one time I wrote the doctors maloof doctort his
Speaker 3: just little thing, and I just remember he used to
Speaker 3: in this wait we're waiting, there's about three or four
Speaker 3: three or wait around you were just running around like
Speaker 3: little rash, just going berserk.
Speaker 4: It was so funny. He had pure black hair, you
Speaker 4: had pure blonde hair.
Speaker 2: So different that that year.
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, and people always taken
Speaker 1: with grain of salt because most teams trained hard, but
Speaker 1: that year I'll never forget it. I'm talking like two
Speaker 1: or three incredibly hard fitness sessions a week when you're
Speaker 1: playing during the season, even really were gonna be playing
Speaker 1: on the Sunday and we beget hammered on the Thursday.
Speaker 1: And Chris Anderson was like, when I arrived at this
Speaker 1: club for the previous few years, they hadn't trained hard enough. Mate,
Speaker 1: I'm going to harden these blokes up. And I was
Speaker 1: thinking myself, mate, for killing us. We lost. We lost
Speaker 1: seven in a row at one point, and I remember
Speaker 1: getting up at the Loose Club and they just booed him,
Speaker 1: and he goes, don't worry, he goes where that he goes.
Speaker 1: We're that close to turning things around, he said, And
Speaker 1: you'll be cheering at the end of the end. I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: there's no chance. We went on this amazing run qualifier
Speaker 1: play the Warriors to make the Grand Final, and unfortunately
Speaker 1: they beat us.
Speaker 4: But that was that was pretty good. To play for
Speaker 4: your dad was a good thing.
Speaker 2: I thing the way that those like ninety eight, because
Speaker 2: he coached Melbourne in ninety eight ninety nine, right when
Speaker 2: they first came into the calm, The way that they
Speaker 2: talked about him, it was like they they worked hard,
Speaker 2: but they were just like on the piece and that
Speaker 2: all the time. He liked that too, Okay, was he was?
Speaker 2: He very work hard, play hard kind of guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: There be times he takes off the train to the
Speaker 3: pub and I remember I was pretty serious that I.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't really drink.
Speaker 3: But I do remember one time the next year we're
Speaker 3: going He got sacked the next year, but we're going
Speaker 3: through an ordinary stage. We lost a game at home.
Speaker 3: He goes, that's everyone get out of the clubs. We'll
Speaker 3: get out of the locked us in a room. He
Speaker 3: wheeled in two like we'll like in a shopping full
Speaker 3: of alcohol. Said we are not leaving it until we
Speaker 3: finish that, mate, Chris beating young Birdie, Greg bird punched on.
Speaker 3: By the end of it, Nick Graham left, Deean Teresa
Speaker 3: left the club. There was three or four, but Paul Miller,
Speaker 3: like three or four blokes left the club. When I
Speaker 3: receved to England and Hope's got sacked by the year.
Speaker 3: But we at the Phisio that night ended up in
Speaker 3: hospital without we're just the hoodoo Guru's Blake was there
Speaker 3: sing songs and maybe it.
Speaker 4: Was just something I will never forget, but it was
Speaker 4: b big no.
Speaker 1: But he used to get to the point, like toward
Speaker 1: the end of the year that our strength conditioner started
Speaker 1: pushing Blakes a little too hard. Like by the end
Speaker 1: of the year, everyone's made caren injuries. And remember once
Speaker 1: we're doing a rehab session in the pool. This is
Speaker 1: the day after the game. He said, right out, everybody out,
Speaker 1: We're going to go. We're all going to jump on
Speaker 1: the rowers and do like fitness tests on the rowers
Speaker 1: and mate, like sometimes we do five k runs. Remember
Speaker 1: after after the day after a game, day after a
Speaker 1: game we made it the Canels, we'll do a five
Speaker 1: k run. I just ended up saying, Hopes on past thirty,
Speaker 1: my fucking knees are screaming, I just can't run on
Speaker 1: the road, like the day after a game, I can't
Speaker 1: do it. And he said, ah, right, I don't worry
Speaker 1: about I'll tell him you've got the flu or something.
Speaker 1: But this certain day he said right out, everyone out
Speaker 1: of the pool, and Pully Milloy just refused to get out. Pullyes,
Speaker 1: I'm not getting out of the pool. He goes, get
Speaker 1: out of the fucking pool and Pullymelo goes no, and
Speaker 1: Pullly Mello is a massive man, but so passive and
Speaker 1: so nice. You know, Pully Mellod had enough. Pully Mello
Speaker 1: just chumped out and grabbed him by the throat and started.
Speaker 4: I remember.
Speaker 3: Killing to do these National Park runs, all sorts of things.
Speaker 3: I remember one day in the bush we all got back.
Speaker 3: He's put water himself and just walked in like you
Speaker 3: just finished. But he Paul Miller hated this. The train
Speaker 3: Aaron Aaron Saws for his name was that's right. Maybe
Speaker 3: he was a hard do it for me personally, it
Speaker 3: actually helped me and helping good Stead for the rest
Speaker 3: of my career. But I can understand a blake and
Speaker 3: was at the back end of it. Was just like
Speaker 3: over it.
Speaker 1: But there was so many like that year. So talking
Speaker 1: about Manly, you know, we played Manly that year and
Speaker 1: I think it was something like cron had never beaten
Speaker 1: Manly and Manly, so we're getting the bus over and
Speaker 1: beautiful day, and there was the mood on the bus
Speaker 1: was so pessimistic. I'm going this is weird and chronologist
Speaker 1: don't win there, and I said, okay. So we played
Speaker 1: the first half. Half time they're beating us twenty nil.
Speaker 1: I remember going in the shed's going in the hell
Speaker 1: this is true, and Hope's is just sitting in the
Speaker 1: sheds and he's sort of going counting on, like right,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to waste my breath on these sore
Speaker 1: obviously not gonna. So we come out of half time,
Speaker 1: we score after half time. The final score was we
Speaker 1: beat him fifty four to twenty six.
Speaker 4: Yes, really, and that was started my career. I remember.
Speaker 3: And the next year we played him it might have
Speaker 3: been the same idea it would have been. The next
Speaker 3: year I got moved to five eight because there was
Speaker 3: injuries everywhere else playing fight. Remember Danny Utley, there's a kickoff,
Speaker 3: there's a kick off my way and Danny you fat,
Speaker 3: you know what, you better pass me the ball. I
Speaker 3: has to catch it, look at him to run, but
Speaker 3: I got but I was got to double there. The
Speaker 3: next year against Manly once again we beat him again.
Speaker 3: So I was like what's his crap?
Speaker 4: We can't win over. This is easy. But then things
Speaker 4: turned a bit off.
Speaker 2: Couldn't you know what's funny? You get like I remember
Speaker 2: it would have been early in your you might have
Speaker 2: been playing back roll at this stage. I used to
Speaker 2: run like when I was young, a bit bow legged,
Speaker 2: like you know how they teach it, like run all
Speaker 2: the way through through your toes and like I used
Speaker 2: to flick out at the back, and Billy Slater used
Speaker 2: to do it at a young when he first come
Speaker 2: into first game. Remember, like Billy was showing me some
Speaker 2: of his stuff and show like why it's bad to
Speaker 2: run like that, And he showed me his first ever
Speaker 2: try in the NRL. He was playing center, got out
Speaker 2: of dummy half, went down the blind side, made a
Speaker 2: lineback and he's running and he's like showing me his
Speaker 2: running ticket. He goes, see, like see how I'm not
Speaker 2: effective and it slows me down after I get past
Speaker 2: the twenty thirty meter mark, and he goes and nearly
Speaker 2: got chased down by forward and I'm looking I go
Speaker 2: he said, he said, Gal, it was you that you
Speaker 2: like nearly stopped him in the corner.
Speaker 4: I was pretty good. Made other ten's enemies.
Speaker 3: I stopped him there, so that's yeah, at the start
Speaker 3: of his career, didn't it obviously tend to be an
Speaker 3: absolute superstar.
Speaker 1: But was sixteen dollars half we got beating game, we
Speaker 1: got beaten.
Speaker 4: So that was round one.
Speaker 3: Melbourne had never lost a round one game under Bell
Speaker 3: and winning sixteen neil. They scored a try right in
Speaker 3: the game towards the back end of the game. Not
Speaker 3: he just tried to put a gruber kick through a
Speaker 3: ricochette of someone's knees. Guy picked up, got pass the
Speaker 3: ball in the lake and scored.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Bell's first game.
Speaker 4: Right, it would have been, would have been.
Speaker 3: I might have been proud to start anyway, but yeah,
Speaker 3: Slater tens him as I stopping.
Speaker 1: Oh what you've been a chill mine. You see more
Speaker 1: of uncle Joey than we do as you go and
Speaker 1: uncle Joey.
Speaker 3: Yeah good.
Speaker 4: I get a good with Joey. He's good. It's a
Speaker 4: good fellow.
Speaker 3: I don't know that, so I don't know. Obviously the
Speaker 3: family issue good now is are a complicated thing.
Speaker 1: I took a nine. I see what chamis versus Gus.
Speaker 1: That was that was that was riveting to you V
Speaker 1: was good.
Speaker 3: But segment one, I sort of actually asked us a question.
Speaker 3: I could see Chems in the background like looking at me,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, anyway, that had come? The air break
Speaker 3: come and and I respect when Gus when I know
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to talk about and Gusta looked at me
Speaker 3: and I knew we didn't want to go, so I
Speaker 3: didn't keep proving it all and shemers come out. He goes,
Speaker 3: that's that's what I want to do for my segment,
Speaker 3: the scuttle but segment. So I saw it, but I
Speaker 3: didn't know I was asking the questions. And I actually
Speaker 3: had to go home that night. I had to train
Speaker 3: for the fire. I said, I do the first three segs,
Speaker 3: but that's it, and they said okay. So I went
Speaker 3: home and I landed, landed back in Sydney and just
Speaker 3: turned my phones just blowing up and Samers and Gusts
Speaker 3: into it.
Speaker 2: Because you and you and like you're one of the
Speaker 2: few that will you will go at each other quite
Speaker 2: a bit. It's all in jest, but we ever go.
Speaker 3: I would say, mate, I don't know how to how
Speaker 3: to I don't know.
Speaker 4: Gus is a guy, You.
Speaker 1: Just a complex try.
Speaker 3: I don't really have too much relationship with him, like
Speaker 3: I really respect him.
Speaker 4: I've got to be honest.
Speaker 3: He's probably one of the the probably smartest bloke I've
Speaker 3: ever seen. The way he talks about the game, the
Speaker 3: way he knows the game. He is He's very very
Speaker 3: unique like that he knows the game inside out. But
Speaker 3: you know, I don't always agree with what he says
Speaker 3: or think what he says is right, and I'm happy
Speaker 3: to challenge him on that. But he's a pretty good argument.
Speaker 3: He's got a lot of experiences, did very very well.
Speaker 1: Gus can be very intimidating. He's an incredible orator, and
Speaker 1: he can sit and can hold his nerve in an argument.
Speaker 1: It's the first time I've seen sort of Gus. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say he was rattled, but mate, it was two
Speaker 1: blokes really going back with forwards and champis not at
Speaker 1: the end.
Speaker 4: Where he said, what's what you're saying?
Speaker 5: Boy?
Speaker 4: I think that was that was that's not Gus doesn't
Speaker 4: normally say.
Speaker 3: I really really compose and really contried him what he says,
Speaker 3: and that was probably where you.
Speaker 1: And also also when he went to you know, you
Speaker 1: don't realize what you do to players and all that.
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of that. I thought that.
Speaker 1: But Gus, yeah, you said, he's an incredibly complex guy.
Speaker 1: Tear what mate, coming through the all young guys. He
Speaker 1: was so good to Andrew and I and I'll never
Speaker 1: forget that. But I think the important thing is when
Speaker 1: you meet Gus, is you when you meet him is
Speaker 1: you don't have any expectations. So when I used to
Speaker 1: work with Gus or even I see Gus, now Gus,
Speaker 1: here you're going and now Gus might want to talk,
Speaker 1: you might want to I've got no expectations. So I
Speaker 1: arrived with no expectations. And but yeah, you're right, he's
Speaker 1: brilliant as far as football and what he's done.
Speaker 2: Mate, it was great. It was great TV, Like from
Speaker 2: a from a from a fan perspective, it was just
Speaker 2: I can imagine all the partners were just absolutely loving it.
Speaker 2: You saw everything that want.
Speaker 4: To see what happened. I wasn't there. I don't know
Speaker 4: if ayth happen.
Speaker 2: Like on a lot of those shows, right one hundred
Speaker 2: forty three sixty, when it gets quite like intimidating and
Speaker 2: they go at each other. You've been like there in
Speaker 2: the flesh does it get quite awkward in ad breaks
Speaker 2: and depending sometimes.
Speaker 3: There's an awkward silence and no one really says too much.
Speaker 3: But I haven't been in that big run on radio
Speaker 3: app like Leavia. At times, Levy just cuts me off something.
Speaker 3: He's got to control the penalty me off. But so
Speaker 3: probably with like Leav's a blake is not afraid to
Speaker 3: say what he thinks. If he's off your he'll tell
Speaker 3: you which which I which I respect about.
Speaker 4: That's good. I get him, good with it, really good
Speaker 4: with him. But yeah, Gus is sort of a bit.
Speaker 3: I've never had an argument adying with him on air
Speaker 3: and then he's got off air and carried on, just
Speaker 3: remains quiet. So on radio, I've had a couple, but.
Speaker 4: Not on not on TV.
Speaker 1: Soney Bill, Sony Bill, been a long time in the
Speaker 1: making this one. Gal, Why it's so long, mate.
Speaker 3: I'll answer and see something. They have a different opinion.
Speaker 3: But I just don't think you every wanted to do it.
Speaker 3: And I just think that I had my first fight. Look,
Speaker 3: I come, it might have been twenty twelve thirteen ish
Speaker 3: he had. He fought sometime around them as well, and
Speaker 3: straight away it's just had my first fight in one
Speaker 3: it was like, oh, fight Sonny Bill, and it got
Speaker 3: spoken about, I admitted at the start. I said, no, look,
Speaker 3: I'm not ready for that. You know, I've had one
Speaker 3: amateur fight. Let me see if they ever want to
Speaker 3: keep doing this. Kept doing it probably once a year
Speaker 3: for the next five years, and every time I thought
Speaker 3: we would get asked about it and I said yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: let's let's do it.
Speaker 4: And that was it.
Speaker 3: Two probably twenty nineteen twenty, when I started saying, look,
Speaker 3: this has got to happen. Let's let's ramp this up bit.
Speaker 3: So I'd often say on TV, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 3: I'd lask Sunny Bill, let's do it, and he said mate.
Speaker 3: The first time I went, when I stepped back in
Speaker 3: the square circle, he quarter it, you'd be the first
Speaker 3: person I ring. He fought for one twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: He had three fights on never a single phone call.
Speaker 3: I started ringing Codery's manager twenty twenty twenty one, say, man,
Speaker 3: we're going to make this happen like I'm going.
Speaker 4: To retire soon, veryvery soon.
Speaker 3: I got this last contract with no limit was with Fox,
Speaker 3: and part of one new nine deal was I couldn't
Speaker 3: fight with Fox anymore. They were they were going to
Speaker 3: allow me to finish my contract, which is fine that
Speaker 3: they said after that, no more, and I said, that's
Speaker 3: I'm going to retire anyway. So I met with Coder
Speaker 3: a couple of occasions. Last I met with him was
Speaker 3: at Brighton Sands on the beach there and beautiful. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Basically said mate, we're going to give you fifty fifty.
Speaker 3: I said, it's got to be fifty to fifty and
Speaker 3: then he said, how much do you want? Do you
Speaker 3: want of New Zealand? So what happens with boxing, Everything
Speaker 3: goes into a pool, you get a percently split and
Speaker 3: it goes out. He said, how much one New Zealand?
Speaker 3: I said, well, whatever the splitze it is fifty to
Speaker 3: fifty he has you're not getting one cent in New Zealand.
Speaker 3: I said, mate, you don't want to do this fight.
Speaker 3: He's a full of shit. You don't want to do
Speaker 3: it on that out. So when I am nothing else
Speaker 3: happened a couple more times what I've been spoken about,
Speaker 3: But then i'd done a story in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: whenever I knew I was retiring, I said, Sony's going.
Speaker 4: To wait till I retire.
Speaker 3: He's going to wait till I finish up and well
Speaker 3: passed my best for he says he wants to fight me.
Speaker 3: And sure enough, on the around the twentieth and May,
Speaker 3: I've got the emails. I've got an offer from stand
Speaker 3: to fight. It's only built twenty May twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: And still, I said, seven months after I retired, is
Speaker 3: exactly what I said would happened. And still I said, look,
Speaker 3: I'll fight him if I get a guaranteed figure. I
Speaker 3: want a guaranteed figure. Sony can have every dollar up
Speaker 3: until that guaranteed figure, and then we go fifty to
Speaker 3: fifty from there. So it's going to be a fifty
Speaker 3: to fifty fight. But I want one guarantee. They said, no,
Speaker 3: that's not fair on something. I said, Fuck Sonny, I said, mate,
Speaker 3: he's waited this all this time. I told you exactly
Speaker 3: what would happen. I told you back in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: He'd wait for me to retire. That's what's happened. Now.
Speaker 3: I'm getting it off the contract. If you guarantee me
Speaker 3: the figure, I'll do it. If you're not, I'm retired.
Speaker 3: They said, we can't we can't guarantee the figure. It's
Speaker 3: fifty fifty all the way. It's the way we're doing.
Speaker 3: And I said, well, I'm retired. I've been retired for
Speaker 3: seven months. I'll stay retired. In twenty twenty three was
Speaker 3: my was my gap year, so to speak. When you're
Speaker 3: retired foot you let your head down. And I probably
Speaker 3: did a little bit too much that year, and twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four odd around sort of got me laugh on. No,
Speaker 3: not that I was off track, you know, just straighten
Speaker 3: up bit. And watched Mike Tyson fight Jake Paul and
Speaker 3: Jake put doesn't getting near Mike Tyson when they're doing
Speaker 3: it properly.
Speaker 4: We all know that. And Jake Paul beat Mike Tyson.
Speaker 4: And I was that way Graham.
Speaker 3: So I thought, you know what, tomorrow, who's going to
Speaker 3: remember this like the remember? But professional sports are winning
Speaker 3: to lose. I thought, you know, if I gonna be
Speaker 3: forty three years old and make a dollar, I'm going
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 4: So I rang stand.
Speaker 3: I said, it is this fight sttle possibility. And they
Speaker 3: said we'll ring Sonny. We'll let your name, so they
Speaker 3: rang Sonny. He said yes, and here we are. This
Speaker 3: This was in November last year twenty I've got Texas
Speaker 3: starting about negotiation.
Speaker 4: I actually wanted to have to fight over in Vegas
Speaker 4: for the NURL.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I said.
Speaker 3: I said it was going to be thirty thousand asses
Speaker 3: over there. Nothing to do. Watch me in Sunny fight.
Speaker 3: It's Truman back in Australia. Will fight whatever Tom necessary
Speaker 3: over there. But Monday wouldn't have been ready then, and
Speaker 3: he said, no, I'm not gonna be ready, so I
Speaker 3: wouldn't do it. And obviously here we are in July.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what he's he's a good negotiator, coder,
Speaker 1: he's a good negotiator for his fighter. He's incredible. What
Speaker 1: do you did for Chock? So it must have been
Speaker 1: that must have been a tough negotiation made.
Speaker 3: Seven months in negotiation. And then that's what frustrates me that,
Speaker 3: like Sonny says things like at the press coms over day,
Speaker 3: what happened twenty twenty two were right the end of
Speaker 3: the world. We're just about to sign a contract, just
Speaker 3: about to sign the contract. Ten rounds, twelve rounds or what.
Speaker 4: Was it ten or twelve? We're just about to sign
Speaker 4: the contract. What was it ten?
Speaker 3: Where was it going to be who was it with?
Speaker 3: Like the thing that I get frustrating work. You know,
Speaker 3: when two blokes are telling a different story, that the
Speaker 3: stories are similar, and then you know the true summer
Speaker 3: in the red. You got to work it out. I mean,
Speaker 3: we are so far apart in what we say, like
Speaker 3: he like, so far apart. We're not even on the
Speaker 3: same page, like he says. We were just about to
Speaker 3: sign a contract in twenty twenty two. I've said to him,
Speaker 3: I've said publicly, I said, show me one bit of
Speaker 3: correspondence from me to you, or to your manager or
Speaker 3: to stand or whoever from from twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4: Just one email.
Speaker 3: I've got seven months of emails for this fight, seven
Speaker 3: months worth of emails and texts. I said, just produce
Speaker 3: one email or one text about me. You fighting you
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: Yes, because you've always you've You've always had good likes,
Speaker 2: particularly around state of origin. You're always good at hyping
Speaker 2: up in an event, Sonny. Sonny's been particularly vocal like
Speaker 2: leading up to this fight.
Speaker 1: Unusual.
Speaker 2: Is there, like is there bad blood between we.
Speaker 4: Don't like to look.
Speaker 3: I can't say I hate him because there's lots of things,
Speaker 3: something he's done in his past that would be easy
Speaker 3: for me to bring up, but I think would embarrass
Speaker 3: his family, and that's I'm.
Speaker 4: Not about as a blake. I'm not about that.
Speaker 3: Look, I'm happy to sell a fight. Do I need
Speaker 3: to talk about the fight, talk about certain things, but
Speaker 3: I'm not going to intentionally bring things up that will
Speaker 3: embarrass other people, particularly.
Speaker 4: Innocent people that don't deserve it.
Speaker 3: So now that's and that's very with this bloke after
Speaker 3: what he said. There's certain things I'd love to say,
Speaker 3: I'd love to bring up, but again I wouldn't being
Speaker 3: true to myself and just wouldn't be the person I
Speaker 3: want to be.
Speaker 4: Oh no Angel, watch want to someone angel.
Speaker 3: But you know, there's certain things I'm just not going
Speaker 3: to bring up aout him because would affect his family,
Speaker 3: and I don't think that's fair.
Speaker 1: What what's his strengths as a fighter.
Speaker 3: He's range, he's a big bloke and he's six six.
Speaker 3: I think he says says on his players one hundred
Speaker 3: and ninety one cents, he's a lot bigger than that.
Speaker 3: He's put six four, he's got big range. I think
Speaker 3: he's going to be powerful. I didn't he's everyone who's
Speaker 3: went over nd. As you punch someone in the rights
Speaker 3: on the chin, it's going to hurt him. So he's
Speaker 3: got that ability. I just I've got no doubt if
Speaker 3: he had done it before, I win. And I think
Speaker 3: he knows that. That's like, actions speak loud than words.
Speaker 3: I've repeatedly said, let's do it, let's do it, let's
Speaker 3: do it. I've had nothing from me, as I said,
Speaker 3: for three times before this discussion even happened, So actions
Speaker 3: speak loud the words. I've got no doubt he knows
Speaker 3: you would have been beaten. But this time, I think
Speaker 3: probably the fact he has waited. He's four years younger
Speaker 3: than me. It probably is a fifty to fifty five
Speaker 3: now it's going to be very very interesting. But I
Speaker 3: just think I've got too much, too much for him,
Speaker 3: I really do.
Speaker 2: How hard do you mean? How hard do you mean
Speaker 2: because you're a fit dude and you work very hard,
Speaker 2: How hard have you been training?
Speaker 3: Oh? Look, no, than I normally would, to be honest, Obviously,
Speaker 3: the sparring is a part I've got to pick up now.
Speaker 3: Six weeks out, got to pick up the sparring. And
Speaker 3: that's you know, I love training. I train every day.
Speaker 3: I think that's mental health and it's just something I
Speaker 3: liked to do so, but sparring is different.
Speaker 4: Sparring is not healthy.
Speaker 3: You get you got bigger. And look, I was spoken
Speaker 3: to doctors about somebody's talking about concussion that these days.
Speaker 3: I was spoking the doctors about it. And they tell
Speaker 3: me that that getting knocked out was not good for you.
Speaker 3: Ain't me wrong, but I getting knocked out is not good.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's the constant. It's the repeated rattling of
Speaker 3: the brain, repeated ratling, week after week, month after month.
Speaker 3: You after you, that's what that's what builds issues with
Speaker 3: your brain. So look, they've sort of said to me,
Speaker 3: doing this one more time, we can't say it's gonna
Speaker 3: be good for It's.
Speaker 4: Not gonna be good for you.
Speaker 3: But you know hopefully that you ain't got too much.
Speaker 1: My question I was going to ask you, is okay
Speaker 1: he going to fight Sonny? But I was blatantly clear
Speaker 1: because his style is range, you're getting in nice and
Speaker 1: close to him. I remember asking Hopper once just as
Speaker 1: you were just starting, we were about to start your
Speaker 1: your boxing career. And I said to the Hopper he said,
Speaker 1: I'll do a bit of sparring with goal. I said,
Speaker 1: how did you go? He said, fuck, couldn't coop your
Speaker 1: He said he was just kept coming at me and
Speaker 1: coming at me and coming at me. He said he
Speaker 1: was fucking relentless and he hit me on the elbow,
Speaker 1: and just I mean, that's so, that's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's clearly obviously going to fight, you know, the two
Speaker 1: different styles, just getting in tight with him.
Speaker 4: That's why he wants two minu rounds.
Speaker 3: Like I'm like, it's this is one of the most
Speaker 3: embarrassing things we're talking about.
Speaker 4: Something to people.
Speaker 3: William's Cross Coade superstar claims his one title boxing titles
Speaker 3: and he wants to fight two minute rounds. It's it's
Speaker 3: for me. It's just guards to show how much his
Speaker 3: fight means to him. Like for me, it's professional sport.
Speaker 3: There's a winner and a loser. I win this fight,
Speaker 3: how's my life change. It doesn't. It's not gonna change.
Speaker 3: So where we get paid the same amount of money,
Speaker 3: life goes on. We foundly still there to my if
Speaker 3: I lose the fight, same thing. So but I just
Speaker 3: feel like this, this fight to him just means so
Speaker 3: much like it's just it's like his legs, he's going
Speaker 3: to change and he loses. And that's why he's never
Speaker 3: want to do it, no Doubt's where I never.
Speaker 4: Ever wanted to do it.
Speaker 3: So to put he put his stamp on and say
Speaker 3: no Monely fighting too minute rounds And basically that's what
Speaker 3: the seven months of Negaisha was about. The rounds got
Speaker 3: to the point where Ben kimber From stands, end of me, mate,
Speaker 3: this is it, take a leave. He's not gonna he's
Speaker 3: not going to do nothing else, which for a bloke
Speaker 3: of his stature, he's so embarrassing to fight two minute rounds.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like having a one hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: k and monsters in your rugby league team, powerful fit fast.
Speaker 3: At the fifty minute mark, they'll be up sixteen to
Speaker 3: twenty fifty five minute mark, but by the eightieth minute
Speaker 3: you're going to come home and get him every time.
Speaker 3: That's that's just it's embarrassing for him. That's and when
Speaker 3: you think about our styles, he wants two minutes because
Speaker 3: you try and walk backwards while someone's trying to punch that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you can do it for a round or two. This
Speaker 3: is three minute rounds. You do it for a round
Speaker 3: or two, four or five six rounds, you're going to
Speaker 3: get caught. So they're going to catch up out and
Speaker 3: they knock you out. And he and he knows that.
Speaker 3: That's why he does not want to do three minute rounds.
Speaker 3: He knows he can't beat me out of three minute rounds.
Speaker 1: How monumentally different because a lot of people will listen
Speaker 1: to who aren't fight people and will go, oh no,
Speaker 1: two minutes, three minutes. How monumentally different is two to three?
Speaker 3: That's here in rugby league terms, is different between playing
Speaker 3: eighty minutes and fifty five minutes. It's it's sure, we're
Speaker 3: going for a three k run, but you only run
Speaker 3: two and you've only run two k's not three like
Speaker 3: it's it's it's hugely different. It's it's so different, it's
Speaker 3: and he knows that. And then you get a minute
Speaker 3: break in between, so he's got to work for two minutes.
Speaker 3: They get a minute break. And as I said, look,
Speaker 3: there's eight round is positive for me. You know if
Speaker 3: he can't knock me. Look you I'd say this, if
Speaker 3: he knocks me out in the first round, I'll shake
Speaker 3: his hand and I'll say you're better than me, you
Speaker 3: deserve it well done. If you can't do that, I've
Speaker 3: got no interest in shaking his hand. I'll been polite
Speaker 3: of him even after.
Speaker 4: I don't like the bloke.
Speaker 1: And things ever nearly got physicals right word, But have
Speaker 1: you bloke's been in the same building or at the
Speaker 1: same place at nine and had it clashed only once.
Speaker 4: It was sort of late twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the only time we spoke about it,
Speaker 3: coming away like let's get it done time thing and
Speaker 3: he's like, sign the contract, mate, there is no contract.
Speaker 4: What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: And that was only ones ever before that. We haven't
Speaker 3: worked together often. But yeah, at the end of day,
Speaker 3: you tell you to be professional and you go am.
Speaker 3: You do your job and you go aim. So that
Speaker 3: was the only time we had arguing about it back
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two, but we haven't nowther th Nay,
Speaker 3: he's been fine.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about now boxing.
Speaker 2: Can we just just quickly just want to shout it
Speaker 2: out because if if our listeners want to get tickets
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Speaker 2: Kudos Bank Arena I'm sure you can watch it online
Speaker 2: and stand as well. But just before we move off that,
Speaker 2: do you have a walk out song? Is there one
Speaker 2: that you always walk out?
Speaker 3: I do, and the only reason I've got it is
Speaker 3: because my first ever fight, I didn't have a clue
Speaker 3: what Chad Townsend picked it for me.
Speaker 4: It's played it all the origin.
Speaker 6: The cage Man Cashmere led Zeppelin did, Yeah, cash led
Speaker 6: Zeppelin because there's a variation of Kashmir, but it's at
Speaker 6: the moment I don't think it'd be politically correct to
Speaker 6: play it.
Speaker 1: Oh, Chaddy, there was a remix where they used the
Speaker 1: riff for Kashmere and the theme song of god Zillap,
Speaker 1: but it was produced and.
Speaker 3: Oh that's yeah, that's what I know.
Speaker 4: It's a good Zilla soundtrack. Yeah, well original, I know
Speaker 4: what you're talking about. Now change.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to to pick one for you.
Speaker 3: I'm a stick consistent. I'm very consistent, keep things the
Speaker 3: same when things are going okay, and.
Speaker 1: Get do you your love rugby league and boxing? Which
Speaker 1: one did you love more?
Speaker 4: Rugby leg Yeah, rubular man. I'm a rugby leage player.
Speaker 3: I'm a rud league player who I think reasonably tough
Speaker 3: I did fight as a kid. Sorry, I boxed as
Speaker 3: a kid. I never thought, never ever had a fight.
Speaker 3: I never thought I'd have a fight. But I do
Speaker 3: have a little bit of background in it as as
Speaker 3: a kid, as a youngster going to going to the
Speaker 3: local PC and Jim's at Marylands.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, like rehab and or one.
Speaker 3: Day Chris Beatty ripped Nick young Quest and he's had
Speaker 3: on his birthday or something, and I said that and
Speaker 3: be sort of half hod to go at me. Chris
Speaker 3: Anderson goes, let's gether, Let's gether gym Chris Beatty, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, I was so scared. I've never been more
Speaker 3: scared of my life. I'm walking out of Jason Steehens
Speaker 3: and like, what do I do?
Speaker 4: I pray for you? So there, please anyway punch a
Speaker 4: pissy out of him?
Speaker 2: What did all the boys like get around.
Speaker 3: And watch everyone was watching. I would never be more
Speaker 3: scared in my life.
Speaker 1: They put the gloves and the head gear on, or
Speaker 1: sometimes you didn't wear her gear and they just go
Speaker 1: right o gal Chris Boody right over next Nick Grahame Maddie.
Speaker 1: Remember once I had to fight David Tanger To tell
Speaker 1: you my tangles had thirty on me.
Speaker 3: But we did do it all the time. It's Jason
Speaker 3: Stevens not Carlove that one day like we're doing a
Speaker 3: two on one. Johny Lewis used to come and do
Speaker 3: with us and and Steve you got punching.
Speaker 4: The bait turned around that it was a body body spark.
Speaker 3: One punch was showing the gin knocked him out cold
Speaker 3: in the ring. That's how he was a train They
Speaker 3: can imagine that.
Speaker 2: You go, that's when you were fighting, like the end
Speaker 2: of a season when you're still playing. Was that tough?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: Was that was that hard on the body?
Speaker 3: No, it depends if I had any injuries from the
Speaker 3: footy season. But like the thing, the thing that I
Speaker 3: found I worked out was hard about it. The club
Speaker 3: wouldn'tlet me allow me to fight after Crew Smiths and
Speaker 3: then eventually has things and on they let me have
Speaker 3: one or two and my body shape I can't say
Speaker 3: totally change. But you don't need the more must you've got,
Speaker 3: the more oxygen you need to move around, and boxing
Speaker 3: is like a very cuddier based sport, you know, so
Speaker 3: you don't really need to be that must. You don't
Speaker 3: need to do that much weights. So I'd be in
Speaker 3: the preseason, I'll be boxing and I'd be flying at
Speaker 3: all my all my running stuff. I'm not a great runner,
Speaker 3: but i'll be I'm really good all my running more
Speaker 3: testing times. I'll be flying. I'd be about one hundred
Speaker 3: hundred and two kilos max footy would start to meet
Speaker 3: coupleies of work and I would get injured. I'd get hurt.
Speaker 3: I just have so many bumps and brutes had no
Speaker 3: fat on me, hadn't they wait on me? So I
Speaker 3: worked that out by the sort of the last three
Speaker 3: of weeks in my career. Once once I finished fight
Speaker 3: and I had to get back in the weights, had
Speaker 3: to put weight back on, and they had to change
Speaker 3: my body shape again. So yeah, well the preseasons were
Speaker 3: good when I was boxing as far as quitness and
Speaker 3: wise guys, Yeah, I just I couldn't play that.
Speaker 4: But that light away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't a lot like probably four kilos to
Speaker 3: play one hundred and sort of six kilosa, but it
Speaker 3: doesn't And a lot of it was was mainly my body.
Speaker 3: My whatdy fabercents. We get down below ten percent and
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden you get back up to
Speaker 3: fifteen sixteen, which was healthy for me.
Speaker 1: Get like when people talk about rugby league right in
Speaker 1: professional sport, and I'm interested in wanting to say about
Speaker 1: boxing because that's next level two up. People say, do
Speaker 1: you get scared when you played rugby league? And you
Speaker 1: weren't scared. What you're scared of was letting your mates down?
Speaker 1: Make it an err or something like that. But boxing,
Speaker 1: like you know, I suppose fear to a certain extent
Speaker 1: isn't essential. Do you feel it when you walk out?
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm not tough enough for craze or something ever. Scared.
Speaker 3: I was scared playing rugby league. Scared fear. There's fear
Speaker 3: and everything you do, I think, and A really doesn't
Speaker 3: have it or I think that line. Particularly in rugby league.
Speaker 3: I I was scared of failing, and I think maybe scared.
Speaker 3: Probably that was about letting your teammates down. But I
Speaker 3: was also scared about getting hurt, getting smashed. There's lots
Speaker 3: of things you're scared about, and boxing is the same.
Speaker 3: You absolutely get scared, if we got it walking out,
Speaker 3: like when you walk out, when you jump in that ring,
Speaker 3: when everyone clears the ring, but you and the other
Speaker 3: Blake in the ram. It's the biggest adrenaline dump I've
Speaker 3: ever heard. And that's and that's it. I gotta be honest,
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to that again.
Speaker 1: That's why boxes come out of retirement all the time.
Speaker 3: That's what happens all and like certain guys have that
Speaker 3: person that they chase that and they try to chase
Speaker 3: it through otherwise when you're tiring. That's probably something I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be careful, but I'm looking forward to that adrenaline
Speaker 3: dump again. I can't wait for it to be honest.
Speaker 3: But you know, as I said, it's all going to end.
Speaker 1: Let's get like comparing like nerves apprehension, Like you're coming
Speaker 1: down the tunnel Grand Final Night against the Melbourne Store
Speaker 1: on twenty sixteen, and you're walking walking toward the ring
Speaker 1: against Justice Honey. Fear apprehension, nerves.
Speaker 3: I gotta say they're both. They're both similar. Yeah, they're
Speaker 3: both similar because it's what you're trying to do. Maybe
Speaker 3: you remember, like people like you think you get to
Speaker 3: the ring and fights justice honey. Guys are that and
Speaker 3: people are amazed by it, and but for me, it's
Speaker 3: just what I've done. It's just what you do. Same
Speaker 3: as rubby lock. People can't believe front rows send back
Speaker 3: and run straight as hard they came at thirteen blocks.
Speaker 4: They can't.
Speaker 3: That's why it's so popular because the four hundred people
Speaker 3: playing in a reality each year are doing whatever the
Speaker 3: rest society can't do. No matter how much people think
Speaker 3: they can do it, want to do it, and they
Speaker 3: judge them they can't do it. That's what makes rugby
Speaker 3: league so popular. And that's a similar thing to boxing.
Speaker 3: So it's whatever you're prepared to do. So I prepare
Speaker 3: to fight. I spar a hell of a lot leading
Speaker 3: into a fight, so I sort of know what to
Speaker 3: expect and I'm just prepared for it.
Speaker 1: But a state of origin, you oftentimes played eighty minutes
Speaker 1: in the state of origin wherever you're more fatigued final
Speaker 1: around the boxing match, well, seventieth minute. When you're playing
Speaker 1: eighty minutes in an.
Speaker 3: Origin, that's that's a that's a hard yeah, probably probably origin,
Speaker 3: Probably origin because in boxing year so you want to
Speaker 3: be throwing punches all the time, but you've got to
Speaker 3: cover up, is real. You can't just be throwing punches,
Speaker 3: really know, You've got to be able to cover up,
Speaker 3: and you've got to defend. So probably probably boxing, but
Speaker 3: it's a different sorry, probably origin, but it's a different fatigue,
Speaker 3: like again the tenth round verse. Justice here and I've
Speaker 3: got to be like one thing that annoys you. What
Speaker 3: something said the other day he said, I look at
Speaker 3: this guy. I thinks he's so tough, walks around talking
Speaker 3: about all the fires he's had. Man, I don't talk
Speaker 3: about any fight I've had ever. And if you can
Speaker 3: find any any footage of me or any tape of
Speaker 3: me talking about any fight I've had, I'll take it back.
Speaker 4: But I don't talk about him now. I don't talk
Speaker 4: about no one.
Speaker 3: I'd thought the only one I've ever spoken about when
Speaker 3: asked about it is Justice, honey, because the step in
Speaker 3: the ring with that bloke was unbelievable, like it was
Speaker 3: a something going effort. He's fighting this weekend aver in
Speaker 3: Wembley against Ward in the bloke's name. He's he Winsy's
Speaker 3: fight at acceleration to a chance at the world title.
Speaker 3: He's now ranked number one in the wall. But there
Speaker 3: was a guy we flew in for sparring who we
Speaker 3: got told him and who he went neck and neck inspired.
Speaker 3: That'd be neck and like fifty to fifty, and I
Speaker 3: was and I was sparring this boke and I was
Speaker 3: going pretty good. I thought I was almost fifty fifty
Speaker 3: with him, like he's a good fight. He' Olympics and
Speaker 3: all that. So I went into horney confidence. At the
Speaker 3: end of the first round, I turned around to my coin,
Speaker 3: Oh fuck, like it was made. I have sparred everyone
Speaker 3: in Australia from joy Ape and tire Mark. Can't everyone?
Speaker 4: All the good fighters hop it?
Speaker 3: Back then when I was younger, I'll spart everyone. Jason
Speaker 3: Waiteley's a bloking forth football title cruise. We'll spark everyone.
Speaker 3: And I have never experienced speed. And they broke me
Speaker 3: two of my ribs in the first round, like precision punching.
Speaker 3: It was amazing. And now that I've done it and
Speaker 3: I've experienced it, like I know, it's a weird thing
Speaker 3: to say, but it was. It was a pleasure being
Speaker 3: in there with him, just to be able to go
Speaker 3: into experience. That's what everyone said. It said, when you know,
Speaker 3: would you find Mike Tyson for a million bucks? Like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: of course, but that's just because you want to be
Speaker 3: a tough guy and say yes. But I legitimately think
Speaker 3: to be able to get in the ring of that bloke,
Speaker 3: maybe look at it. You didn't want to get killed,
Speaker 3: but in his prime to say you foughting would have.
Speaker 2: Been it'd be a good experience if that's.
Speaker 3: What you want to do, if you got out of
Speaker 3: her life. Yeah, as I said that, that's why I
Speaker 3: think of who he find I'm just like, what an honor.
Speaker 4: To go in the ring with bloke.
Speaker 2: It was unbelod Do you have him as the best
Speaker 2: fight he ever fought against?
Speaker 4: That by far? Mate?
Speaker 3: Like, like I said, I'll sparred everyone. Sparring is not fighting,
Speaker 3: but the speed and the precision and the skill. And
Speaker 3: he's here one second, there, the next, there the next,
Speaker 3: like the angles he could do and just just what
Speaker 3: he could do, how fast and precise he was.
Speaker 2: If you got sparring with your net, are you still
Speaker 2: sparring with Curtis?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I do spy with Curtis Big Jackson.
Speaker 3: Murray is a bloke who he's a really good He's
Speaker 3: one of I was Anders the world champion, is one
Speaker 3: of his spying partners for for a couple of his fights,
Speaker 3: So he spired everyone all around the world. Is actually
Speaker 3: on his way to think Argentina on Monday for a
Speaker 3: fight over there. He's really good to me. Jason Waiteler's
Speaker 3: a bloke reviews.
Speaker 4: In the past.
Speaker 3: He fought for the world title in the cruiseweight division.
Speaker 3: So there's a number of guys were gathered. There's you
Speaker 3: got internal to gyms and you just spy whoever you can.
Speaker 3: It works, yeah, sometimes. I remember one time we went
Speaker 3: out went out to camp but then you've got to
Speaker 3: travel a bit for sparring too. I went out of
Speaker 3: Campbelltown and I went to spar one bloke and want
Speaker 3: to do six rounds. We've done the first round against
Speaker 3: him and I did keep a fairit of pressure on
Speaker 3: him and he didn't come out for the second round.
Speaker 3: So I said the bloke. The trainers said, well we
Speaker 3: need to spark mate. I sparred five different blakes in
Speaker 3: six rounds. So he done the first round. I sparred
Speaker 3: four other blakes and he done the last round just
Speaker 3: fresh blow.
Speaker 4: Actually yeah, one of them was the old footy player
Speaker 4: I just played for Power. I feel so bad forgetting
Speaker 4: his name Brown No no, no no.
Speaker 3: From's from Penrith and played for Para. I remember his
Speaker 3: name by then, but yeah, it was a really nice
Speaker 3: fellow sparred him, and yeah, got a good working out
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: That just certainly when you see he broke your ribs
Speaker 1: in the first round and you get in there and
Speaker 1: you realize, mate, I'm against a true pro technician. What
Speaker 1: was what went through your mind when you walk back
Speaker 1: to the to your corner and sat down on the stool.
Speaker 3: Well, then in the first I was like wow, like
Speaker 3: I remember walking back on this place is fucking unbelievable,
Speaker 3: Like I just I couldn't believe how fast. I couldn't
Speaker 3: believe the angles he could produce and how fast he
Speaker 3: could produce them. And then I don't really remember too
Speaker 3: much about the rest of the fight.
Speaker 4: What el was disappointed.
Speaker 3: I won one round, one run, and that's what clained
Speaker 3: the fame. One round against the world champion. But what
Speaker 3: frustrated me was the last round, round ten, I actually
Speaker 3: tacked him. He sort of tried to push me aun
Speaker 3: we fell on the ground. The floor got really wet
Speaker 3: and slippery, and we actually both slipped. I fell over
Speaker 3: the death of ref count as a knockdown, and then
Speaker 3: after I got up and he stopped the fire about
Speaker 3: a minute ago and that sort of a I would
Speaker 3: have liked to finish the fight. I'm not sayingly he
Speaker 3: wouldn't want not knock me out at last minute. I
Speaker 3: was pretty out of my feet, to be honest, but
Speaker 3: I thought, you know the referee is going to stop.
Speaker 3: Then he probably would have stopped at the fifth or
Speaker 3: sixth round when I couldn't win the fight, rather than
Speaker 3: stopping with one minute to go in the last. But yeah,
Speaker 3: what mate, I just remember, I remember got me trained
Speaker 3: just trying to turn hit him too the body more.
Speaker 3: That was one thing I remember. But yeah, man, it
Speaker 3: was just too good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he seems like a tough I wouldn't get
Speaker 2: in the ring. Is there any of the NFL players
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 4: Finish?
Speaker 1: Just finish that sentence you started like you had the
Speaker 1: common sense to just I said.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't get ring worm. That's what I said. Definitely,
Speaker 2: I jump in the ring, and I knock most lightweights out.
Speaker 3: I'm talking to you, seeing Walker.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say he probably still knocked me out. Who
Speaker 2: in the NFL, because there's a few boys of box
Speaker 2: like Nelson Nelly from Welly. He's bocked that guy in
Speaker 2: Bali and he's boxed a few boys. Yeah do you
Speaker 2: who do you look at of the carr and crop
Speaker 2: and go like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I haven't haven't seen any fighter. Would
Speaker 3: like to see Big Nelson doing. He's a big enough body,
Speaker 3: so I've heard he goes okay, so that'd be pretty
Speaker 3: cool if you can jump in, But I don't know
Speaker 3: who else. There's always chat about blakes. Yeah, you never know,
Speaker 3: Like I'll be honest with that. So many blayers can fight,
Speaker 3: like jump in the street fight and punt someone. But
Speaker 3: when you when you're in a ring.
Speaker 4: It's just as different.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're in there for three minutes at a
Speaker 3: time or two minutes out of time, whatever it might be,
Speaker 3: it's it's a whole lot different than what you think.
Speaker 3: And a lot of guys who think they can get
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of football players, when they go out there,
Speaker 1: some people will see them and they'll see them as
Speaker 1: a target out and about. And you're the double mate,
Speaker 1: You're not just a well known football or a football legend.
Speaker 1: Is to make your boxer as well. And I've read
Speaker 1: a thing with Mike Tyson where Tyson said you would
Speaker 1: not believe this When I was young my prime, I
Speaker 1: would walk out and someone would still want to have
Speaker 1: a go. Do you get that?
Speaker 3: It's it's torture, It really is.
Speaker 4: It's it is. And I'll be honest.
Speaker 3: Last year I said twenty twenty three was my gap year,
Speaker 3: and I did let loose a fair bit. I've been
Speaker 3: off for drinks since twenty twenty four. I slip up
Speaker 3: it in Vegas ever this year, but that but I'm
Speaker 3: back of it again, so I don't drink as much
Speaker 3: as I used to. If it all the moment I'm
Speaker 3: not something I'm gonna drink again, I will.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: It is hard, death, very and there's nothing you can
Speaker 3: You can't throw punch. If you go and throw a
Speaker 3: punch and hurt someone, that's.
Speaker 2: Well do you do the old Hey, I can't legally
Speaker 2: hit you because my hands are classes.
Speaker 3: That I was unforgaping a fair but there was actually one.
Speaker 3: It would have been last year. At some stage I
Speaker 3: was down by the worst of this is worth him
Speaker 3: and a bloke come up behind me and like you know,
Speaker 3: the mate comes up behind him grabs you on the neck.
Speaker 3: He grabbed me on it like hard, hard, too hard.
Speaker 3: But you know, I thought I just thought of the
Speaker 3: mate and I turned around. He's like, hey, mate, and
Speaker 3: just went to shook my hands. I shook his hands
Speaker 3: to day and I was just nice anyway. Sure enough
Speaker 3: he's fucking pricked some prickers video on his mate mates
Speaker 3: the video, so they've obviously wanted me to react and lucky,
Speaker 3: if you listen, you're a low pricker.
Speaker 4: And then they stuck it on social media.
Speaker 3: And the only reason I knew about it was because
Speaker 3: a friend of mine knew them and said, what happened here?
Speaker 3: And I didn't actually do any actually turn shook the
Speaker 3: bloke's hand, but there obviously wanted me to react.
Speaker 4: You're a distrass.
Speaker 1: What's the matter with some people?
Speaker 4: They want to see that these days?
Speaker 3: But the war.
Speaker 2: Eving, you'd think you'd think like you wouldn't. I personally wouldn't.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't go up to a bloke who you know
Speaker 2: you can fight, and it's been playing regularly for a
Speaker 2: long time, try to pull him one. I remember when
Speaker 2: we were in Byron Bay twenty twenty in Covid we
Speaker 2: had a big trip after the premiership for Storm. Me
Speaker 2: and Cheese were at the pie shop in Byron Bay,
Speaker 2: which if you're in Byron on a late night. Usually
Speaker 2: there's kebabs around here. You go and get a pie
Speaker 2: at like three am. It's awesome. They got the best pastry.
Speaker 2: Gy appattire was there. We're talking to Giant. This bloke
Speaker 2: comes up to him, knew he was a fighter and
Speaker 2: like this young surfy dude would have been like nineteen,
Speaker 2: and just sledged him like relentless, almost wanted him to
Speaker 2: knock him out. And Brandon was holding the kid back, going.
Speaker 1: Like you might die the you literally may like it.
Speaker 2: It's not even I don't know what you're trying to
Speaker 2: get out of this, like just a drunk idiot obviously,
Speaker 2: but I cannot understand the some of the judgment on
Speaker 2: these days, going oh, like this would be funny.
Speaker 3: We talk about Gian the best cruise wait in the world,
Speaker 3: so it can happen to anyone, and unfortunately does that
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gal, last fight.
Speaker 4: I'm forty.
Speaker 3: I'm forty four in August, which is three or four
Speaker 3: weeks after this fight. I've been retired for a class
Speaker 3: of three years now. I never thought i'd in boxing.
Speaker 3: I'm a footy player. I wonder when the premiership done.
Speaker 3: That played from my stay player for my country. Boxing
Speaker 3: was as something I never got to do for money.
Speaker 3: That's the reason I've accepted the two minute rounds. I've
Speaker 3: called myself a prize spot from day one. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to change that. If I can get the same
Speaker 3: amount of money for fighting for sixteen minutes as I
Speaker 3: can for twenty four, might as well do it.
Speaker 4: So I'm going to do it. But this will be
Speaker 4: the last fight.
Speaker 1: You've been torturing, so don't I mean, you play it
Speaker 1: till the toughest been evolved, till the toughest sports since
Speaker 1: You've been a very young boy, you know, and and
Speaker 1: a lot of blakes. You know, we always talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, rugby league and rightfully sail about the CTWO.
Speaker 1: But boxing is a whole nother level. And I've heard
Speaker 1: you before talk, I've had conversations before, and i've heard
Speaker 1: your slur before. Today you're as good as goal right,
Speaker 1: You're clear as a whistle.
Speaker 4: I did know I slurred before.
Speaker 3: Actually maybe I was just run in Vegas.
Speaker 1: Have not heavily. But you know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: anyone said that, but I've picked it up before, but
Speaker 1: today I don't know whether before you're tired or whatever.
Speaker 1: But you you're sweet. Do you ever think about it?
Speaker 4: Gal?
Speaker 2: Do you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And it's because there's so much chat about it's not
Speaker 3: to not to think about. Because I talk in the media.
Speaker 3: I do notice, like on radio, by the back end
Speaker 3: of a seven hour day, I do get tired, and
Speaker 3: I actually think myself. Am I speaking clearly so that
Speaker 3: that does happen. But I said, I've had I've had
Speaker 3: my brain scammed, my brain tested. I went, I went
Speaker 3: and spent two days with professors up in Newcastle, and
Speaker 3: that everything tested.
Speaker 4: They set them in a good spot.
Speaker 3: But they said, we just don't we can't give you
Speaker 3: a long term diagnosis because we just don't know how
Speaker 3: it's going to be. Like five years. They said, for
Speaker 3: five years you'll be okay. And I said, and I said,
Speaker 3: in five years, that's like's three years ago.
Speaker 4: Now, Yes, we just don't know. We don't know.
Speaker 3: But they they said, the brain can heal, can heal.
Speaker 3: That does get better. So I think there's a lot
Speaker 3: of people that say they did say to me, if
Speaker 3: anyone tries to tell you got CT or you're going
Speaker 3: to get CTE, don't listen to all they're trying to
Speaker 3: do is create a hysteria because they're probably looking for
Speaker 3: funding as far as doctors go, right, So these doctors said,
Speaker 3: you cannot at the moment. I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: changed the last three years, but we cannot tell you
Speaker 3: have CT into your diet cut your brain open. And
Speaker 3: he said, there's been lots of cases where there's been
Speaker 3: boxes fight, There's all sorts of different people have had
Speaker 3: head trauma. Alcoholics, drug addicts who cut their brain open,
Speaker 3: not a problem with them. And then there's women who
Speaker 3: have never had contact in life get dementia and things
Speaker 3: like that. So it's look, obviously, going and standing on
Speaker 3: a highway your chance to hit by a car. And
Speaker 3: that's that's what I'm doing. I'm fighting. I'm playing rugby
Speaker 3: league for a long time, so my chances might be more.
Speaker 4: But you know, we just don't know. How are your
Speaker 4: kids now sixteen? Fourteen?
Speaker 3: I was skilled sixteen, My son's fourteen, and then two
Speaker 3: girls are ten and seven.
Speaker 2: How did they go?
Speaker 1: Like your wife, she's a pretty tough woman. I've meant
Speaker 1: a couple of times, and she's seeing your play football
Speaker 1: all the time. So step on the What about the kids?
Speaker 1: As they started to get older and they're seeing dad
Speaker 1: hopping the ring against like a justice Hernie in that.
Speaker 1: Did it impact them much?
Speaker 3: No, they like My oldest daughter is at sixteen, she's
Speaker 3: sort of in the rain world at the moment, so
Speaker 3: she doesn't care too much about it. My son, my
Speaker 3: last couple of fights, I let him come due respect
Speaker 3: to high John that I was pretty certain I was
Speaker 3: going to win if I if I just sort of
Speaker 3: turned up and had to do. And the first one
Speaker 3: was was going to be dusty there for a while.
Speaker 3: But yeah, they forgot the just he come to those fights,
Speaker 3: and I was happy to let him be there.
Speaker 4: He'll come to this one, but I'm not golowd to
Speaker 4: be in.
Speaker 3: The corner of this one. This is a bit a
Speaker 3: bit different on there. There's going to be a few
Speaker 3: more people at these ones. But he'll come to the fight.
Speaker 3: He's okay with it. He was looking he wasn't the
Speaker 3: first fight off what up in coins and he was.
Speaker 3: He got scared. He got scared they getting punch. He
Speaker 3: wasn't happy with it. He doesn't come and watch me
Speaker 3: spar anymore after that. After that night, he won't come
Speaker 3: watch me spa. So I think he's at the age
Speaker 3: now around the stands and he's a little bit concerned
Speaker 3: that the two the two young ones.
Speaker 1: They just they's going on, Yeah, you're worse at home.
Speaker 3: Sharky supporters, Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah, they don't
Speaker 3: really talk about anyone else, but they like going down
Speaker 3: the Sharkis games and yeah they Sharky.
Speaker 2: Who's their player?
Speaker 3: I think Nick is probably everyone's player.
Speaker 1: A just finally gout what do you think about? What
Speaker 1: do you think about the Sharky's issue, Because I just
Speaker 1: as soon as I fall in love with them and say, yep,
Speaker 1: they were definitely a top full side. Yeah, they're a contender.
Speaker 1: They put in a blood of performance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's been a little bit frustrating when you're
Speaker 3: sort of in This is the thing about rugby league
Speaker 3: and you know, as your name maybe like you, what
Speaker 3: you do on the field, all that matters. It doesn't
Speaker 3: matter what your week's been like, how you prepared, what
Speaker 3: goes good, what goes bad, what you do on the field,
Speaker 3: all that matters. And yeah, a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 3: the Sharks had a really poor lost. I knew they
Speaker 3: had a bad week that week. They had a lot
Speaker 3: of players in trains a couple of injury clouds and
Speaker 3: they went out there and performed like that. But the
Speaker 3: fans don't care about it. They don't care about what's
Speaker 3: happened during the week. They care about the performers that
Speaker 3: you put in and they've they've let themselves down on
Speaker 3: a couple of occasions like that. So they've just got
Speaker 3: to get better at that. And they're probably getting towards
Speaker 3: the stage now this year, next year maybe where you know,
Speaker 3: the learning phase or they're getting together phase is gone.
Speaker 4: It's about what you do as a team and they.
Speaker 3: I think time's been Playing together is pretty important in
Speaker 3: this competition, and they've had they've got that start. This
Speaker 3: year is the Yeah, they've got that. They've got some
Speaker 3: guys coming towards end of the contracts, so they want
Speaker 3: to keep this team together and do something together. They've
Speaker 3: got to do it Adam Adam Fan or Blake at
Speaker 3: the side, which is probably the best middle of the competition.
Speaker 3: So they've got the makings there. It's just up them
Speaker 3: to start believing in themselves and in big like this
Speaker 3: is the thing about the Sharks, and you know, they
Speaker 3: seem to be so good for the majority of the game.
Speaker 3: But sometimes at the back end of the game, when
Speaker 3: there's big has come up where you that's when your
Speaker 3: big name players stand up and get it done. That
Speaker 3: they've probably fallen over a couple of times there. And
Speaker 3: you know, I don't at him even and Nick Everyone
Speaker 3: looks at Nicko and I love Nick is a great guy.
Speaker 3: He's terrific, terrific. And what I felt so so for
Speaker 3: was the Tigers game at like heart hit the forty
Speaker 3: meter field goal and they hit the post and bounced
Speaker 3: directly that way, like five cent to meets hits going
Speaker 3: straight through the post. That's all he needs, That's all
Speaker 3: the blatant needs some to fall his way. And I
Speaker 3: just feel it, like Niko, if you listen, keep doing
Speaker 3: what you're doing, keep working hard, because it's going to
Speaker 3: turn like look, not that not that he's done anything wrong,
Speaker 3: but he's going to have one of their moments four
Speaker 3: for him, and when he does, the lords click friends.
Speaker 4: But about the previous the rest of the game, he's
Speaker 4: a gun.
Speaker 3: But when you're that I understand the pressure and the
Speaker 3: expectation in that position. But he's so close.
Speaker 1: To getting It's funny ga watching him in the last
Speaker 1: four or five weeks. I think he's been really good.
Speaker 1: It's almost almost back who's gally in form. But what
Speaker 1: happens is there's so many people in the game that
Speaker 1: don't know the game, and so when someone starts saying,
Speaker 1: oh geez, he's struggling, he's struggling, he.
Speaker 2: Starts I know.
Speaker 4: You know what. You know.
Speaker 2: The worst thing for that has been super Coach because
Speaker 2: people go if people look at super shows goes. But
Speaker 2: this look at he only got sixty points, whereas this
Speaker 2: half got one hundred and ten points. He was quiet.
Speaker 2: But you look at the you look at what they
Speaker 2: do for the team, how they create for other players.
Speaker 3: The week of the Nick thing, I think we were
Speaker 3: or two later, Latrell kicked the fifty minute field goal
Speaker 3: and scored a try. I'll be honest, Latroll done nothing
Speaker 3: and I love the Joys and absolutely superstar, superstar and
Speaker 3: he's awesome. But for the previous seventy nine minutes of
Speaker 3: the game, he just cruised around, caught the ball, passed
Speaker 3: his wing as you take it back. But you know what,
Speaker 3: when the big moments come around, who puts his hand
Speaker 3: up fifty meter field guy and then scores a try?
Speaker 3: At the back end of the game is to obsult
Speaker 3: in the wound. But yeah, like this plays with that,
Speaker 3: especially the special talents. But again I feel sorry for
Speaker 3: guys that Nicola, who are doing killing it for seventy
Speaker 3: nine minutes of the game.
Speaker 4: Then when the games are want everyone was to judge.
Speaker 3: You on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you have any players like that? Like who
Speaker 2: you were someone that grind out eighty minute performance, show up,
Speaker 2: fill the space, do the ship that people didn't want
Speaker 2: to do. Who was the player in your career that
Speaker 2: you looked at and you go like you used to
Speaker 2: try to fucking get the best out because you knew
Speaker 2: how fucking talented they were.
Speaker 3: Ben Pomo was probably one of them, Oh really, because
Speaker 3: he made up they ever met a blake stronger or
Speaker 3: more athletically gift than he was.
Speaker 4: But it was just so lazy.
Speaker 3: It was like poor Pronsee was another one made Poor
Speaker 3: Fronsi was the most talented gift the club ever seen,
Speaker 3: but he was just he was just too lazy. Jimmy
Speaker 3: Mulaney was a jim Mulaney was. It was probably a
Speaker 3: little bit like that, remember one day and that Jimmy
Speaker 3: wouldn't do waight you'd muck around the gym all the time.
Speaker 3: The trainer said, anyone, Jimmy, pull your head in, start
Speaker 3: training or go on, yes okay, and turn up the
Speaker 3: next day like nothing happened. And I'm just like, are
Speaker 3: you fucking serious? Like he guess what he told me
Speaker 3: to go am? I said, to give you the option,
Speaker 3: hopefull you pull your head and he goes you just
Speaker 3: have to go on one name like he was just
Speaker 3: but then I meet once semi finals rolled around. I've
Speaker 3: never seen a changing attitude. He led led like in
Speaker 3: video sessions he'd bring a pack of chips in and
Speaker 3: purposely just to take the piss and.
Speaker 2: Just I'll tell you what Flannel would have hated.
Speaker 1: I'd heard he get it once with belly ache. There
Speaker 1: was a morting video session when he was Melbourne his
Speaker 1: first year and they're all doing something and also you
Speaker 1: know what, and he's just gone.
Speaker 2: You know what? That was That was pre game, so
Speaker 2: he was he hadn't even debuted yet pre and for
Speaker 2: those people who have seen Craig Bellamy before a game,
Speaker 2: you don't even speak to him like before the boys
Speaker 2: go warm up, because he's just an anxious mess. And
Speaker 2: he used to try to get anybody who wasn't in
Speaker 2: the eighteen get out of the change room, just get
Speaker 2: out of belly ACH's way under the boys as a
Speaker 2: sort of plane to Maloney went in there, got a
Speaker 2: coke zero from the fridge and a pack of Smith's
Speaker 2: crips and were sitting on the massage table while everyone
Speaker 2: was stretching, just eating him. Apparently it was like just
Speaker 2: so fucking loud, says, get the fuck out of this change.
Speaker 3: But as soon as semi finals right around, mate, lead
Speaker 3: lead video sessions, lead train sessions, an amazing guy. We
Speaker 3: wouldn't won the comment about him. I remember that we
Speaker 3: played the Dogs when the Dogs have been as eighteen
Speaker 3: and il we come back and we scored. They scored
Speaker 3: three tries, kicked all the guys. We'd got four tries
Speaker 3: by the back end of the game, and we're on
Speaker 3: eighteen points each with them. So Jimmy must kick one goal,
Speaker 3: couldn't couln't keep nothing else. He kicked from the sideline
Speaker 3: to win the game. Bell rung and everything I said,
Speaker 3: Jimmy would want to give it to someone else because
Speaker 3: you kicked one from three, because you're fucking serious, Like
Speaker 3: it looked at me like I'm a dickead. I said, no,
Speaker 3: he please kick this easy, kicks it from the sideline. Oh,
Speaker 3: right now it's on the side to win the game.
Speaker 4: But that's just a h was a free.
Speaker 2: Remember Nathan Nathan Cleary were saying that when Jimmy Maloney
Speaker 2: went to Penrith with him, it was just like I
Speaker 2: just learned like everything that I sort of learned coming in.
Speaker 2: It was like such a such a nice lesson from Jimmy,
Speaker 2: just to see how you make an error and in
Speaker 2: five seconds it's just like water just roll straight off in.
Speaker 2: You're just rare blokes.
Speaker 4: Oh it wasn't five seconds, it was point five on
Speaker 4: the second.
Speaker 1: Really slayer a clipping lines. Those blokes are blessed. We
Speaker 1: just just got.
Speaker 2: Joe like that.
Speaker 5: Actually, I got a question for Gal for his finish up. Actually,
Speaker 5: I found it really interesting when you spoke about back
Speaker 5: end of your career when you're boxing and then going
Speaker 5: back to pre season you lost your tread weight and
Speaker 5: you'd come back and you get injuries at the early
Speaker 5: part of the year. Obviously in the like, I'd love
Speaker 5: to see what your stance is on the last five years.
Speaker 5: The game's quickened up so much it's actually forced middle
Speaker 5: forwards mean coop debut through COVID, it's actually forced middle
Speaker 5: forwards and pretty much all forwards in general to be smaller.
Speaker 5: And obviously we're seeing an increase in particularly soft tissue
Speaker 5: injuries in forwards like Jacob Sophieti, for example, has had
Speaker 5: two calf injuries to start the year in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: What do you think on do you think there's a correlation.
Speaker 3: There, Well, probably has to be somewhere. I mean, I
Speaker 3: think how many forwards you see to hamstrings back in
Speaker 3: the day. Now, I know everyone's getting bigger and fitter
Speaker 3: and faster. I do think when they the sixty Gay
Speaker 3: come in that changed the game. And I remember when
Speaker 3: it was sixty go all over the park big, like
Speaker 3: I was a big Nelson almost lost to the game,
Speaker 3: Like Nelson was non existing.
Speaker 4: He just he couldn't.
Speaker 3: The game was too fast and it was too big.
Speaker 3: Now it's come back a bit where I think that
Speaker 3: they'd come back in the game a little bit. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I do agree that the bigger players than Nelson's like,
Speaker 3: they still got a part in the game, but they're
Speaker 3: probably not playing it for as long as they once
Speaker 3: did could injury wise, I'm I'm not a doctor or
Speaker 3: phys he had to know enough about the injuries. But
Speaker 3: you know, I think if it's if we're seeing more
Speaker 3: while the game's gotten fast, there probably as to be
Speaker 3: some sort of correlation.
Speaker 4: They're how we get around it.
Speaker 1: I'm not too and but you know, and the thing
Speaker 1: about it is gal Jack Coops is that every time
Speaker 1: you change the real or a certain rule, there will
Speaker 1: always be injuries as they're different injuries. And I like
Speaker 1: the I like the limited inner change and I like
Speaker 1: the speed of the game because what it does it
Speaker 1: does take juice out of the really big blokes they're
Speaker 1: like for me, a fatigue injury is less than an
Speaker 1: explosive injury. Like if you've got blokes on the field,
Speaker 1: big blokes that are fresh, unlimited in the change back
Speaker 1: in the mate, they'd just be charging at you like
Speaker 1: all games. And you know, have fresh blakes on the field.
Speaker 1: Just who one hundred and twenty one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: five kilos made the damage that they would do Like
Speaker 1: it was just it was just over the top.
Speaker 2: See like it allows it allows bokes like Kurtman when
Speaker 2: he plays lock when even when Connor Watson plays plays
Speaker 2: stints at Locked. It brings those blokes into the game.
Speaker 2: It'll it'll be good for cheese l Brandon Smith at
Speaker 2: South if they put him at Lock.
Speaker 1: Yeh.
Speaker 2: Like it brings those kind of players in.
Speaker 1: And the other thing it does it actually you get
Speaker 1: it rewards blokes like Galmore because blokes who train their
Speaker 1: asses off to play eighty minutes and can do those
Speaker 1: long minutes. Mate, what used to happen. We used to
Speaker 1: get repeat sets and the opposition two middles to put
Speaker 1: their hand up, go have their ball one blake come
Speaker 1: on and when they got possession back hands up again.
Speaker 1: Like you were playing against some teams that did over
Speaker 1: forty interchanges in the.
Speaker 2: Gaar shit, unless you're paying ass who just he's just
Speaker 2: got sized power and stays out there's okay, Well mate,
Speaker 2: you're going to hit up the highway.
Speaker 4: Gal up to new corts of the night.
Speaker 1: Appreciate your time, Gal. That we do to you again, brother,
Speaker 1: Thanks you to you guys, and good luck, good luck
Speaker 1: to fight man.