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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've like my Unfortunately, my parents went that kind

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Speaker 1: And Mate, I love that story and like the reason

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Speaker 1: But then I'm guessing what makes someone a great paramedic

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Speaker 3: And having had the privilege of teaching different universities, but

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Speaker 3: the kids, the kids that get come out of a

437
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Speaker 3: university are far better students than say B university, right,

438
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Speaker 3: But the end of the day, they've both got the

439
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Speaker 3: same ticket to the interview. So I've taught kids who

440
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Speaker 3: are clinically brilliant like they are and will go on

441
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Speaker 3: to do exceptionally well in whatever field they choose, and

442
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Speaker 3: they are a pleasure to teach. I've also taught kids

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Speaker 3: that are just getting by, maybe on the weekends, they

444
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Speaker 3: work as a tiler, they've got two kids, you know,

445
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Speaker 3: a partner, or they don't have a partner, they live

446
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Speaker 3: in a caravan, and they get for one of a

447
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Speaker 3: better word, shit marks, right, But you know they're going

448
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Speaker 3: to be an exceptional paramedic and they then go on

449
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Speaker 3: to B one and so you see them two or

450
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Speaker 3: three years after you've finished teaching them, and they are

451
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Speaker 3: loving what they do, what they are doing, and they're

452
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Speaker 3: exceptionally good at what they do. And you think to yourself, well,

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Speaker 3: I am a very small part of that. I'm very

454
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Speaker 3: small cog in a big machine. But I had faith

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Speaker 3: in the process, and that person is now doing the

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Speaker 3: thing that they absolutely want to do, and the society

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Speaker 3: benefits because they are exceptionally good at it.

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Speaker 1: When you were grown up, what did you think he

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Speaker 1: wanted to do? Did you have any clarity? Did you

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Speaker 1: have a vague idea? Did your old man push you

461
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Speaker 1: in a direction like what was going on when you

462
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Speaker 1: were a kid?

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Speaker 3: So I wanted to be a paramedic from a very

464
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Speaker 3: young age, but I never thought I was smart enough,

465
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Speaker 3: and so my little brother and hopefully they came to

466
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Speaker 3: me talking about this. Was born with a rare genetic

467
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Speaker 3: disorder called tubluscrosis, so he used to have multiple seizes

468
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Speaker 3: every single day. He would have been a prime candidate for, say,

469
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Speaker 3: medical marijuana. So we lived in rural Victoria, and you know,

470
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Speaker 3: he would have four or five Seagess, it didn't matter

471
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Speaker 3: where we went. We went to the pub for dinner.

472
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Speaker 3: He would have seizures and the ambulance always came. They

473
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Speaker 3: were always blokes, They was war shorts, and I was

474
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Speaker 3: always like, you're always a part of it. So he

475
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Speaker 3: would have been five or six. I would have been

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Speaker 3: twelve maybe, And so I really like them as people,

477
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Speaker 3: I thought, And you know, my mother especially was on

478
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Speaker 3: a first name basis with a lot of them, and

479
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Speaker 3: they would talk her through what was going to happen.

480
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Speaker 3: And because me and my youngest brother are so close,

481
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Speaker 3: I got dragged along a lot and we ended up

482
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Speaker 3: like like he lived in the Royal Children's Hospital for

483
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Speaker 3: a year and I missed a whole year of school

484
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Speaker 3: because I would go and hang out with him, which

485
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Speaker 3: is why I inavertently couldn't spell, or couldn't do short division,

486
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Speaker 3: or couldn't write because I missed so much school. But

487
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Speaker 3: I always wanted to be a param me and I

488
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Speaker 3: didn't think I was clever enough. And then I met

489
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Speaker 3: some very lovely paramedics who I'd ended up doing some

490
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Speaker 3: work for them and spending time with them socially, and

491
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Speaker 3: they encouraged me and helped me understand that I could

492
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Speaker 3: get into university and assisted me getting into university, and

493
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Speaker 3: I've always felt exceptionally privileged, and I hope that, you know,

494
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Speaker 3: the last twenty years has paid them back for their

495
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Speaker 3: for the enthusiasm for helping me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't it interesting when you meet someone who does

497
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Speaker 1: a job, you know, and it could have been I mean,

498
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Speaker 1: could have been a truck driver, it could have been

499
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Speaker 1: a neurosurgeon, whatever, it could have been a school teacher,

500
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Speaker 1: it could have been. But when you meet one or

501
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Speaker 1: two or three people who do a certain job and

502
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: they're cool and they just good humans and they're doing

503
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: that shit and it looks like this job looks great

504
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Speaker 1: and they love their job, and they look like they're

505
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Speaker 1: having fun and they're cool people, and it's like what

506
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Speaker 1: you really want is, yeah, you want the job, but

507
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Speaker 1: you kind of want to be one of them.

508
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Speaker 2: You kind of want to be like them, right.

509
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Speaker 3: I totally agree with that because and you've had Darren

510
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Speaker 3: Hodge on your podcast, and I got to meet Hodgy

511
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 3: and it did something very special for him. I assisted

512
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 3: him and his friends with a fundraiser. Sadly to Paramas

513
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Speaker 3: have been killed and they had come to my cafe

514
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Speaker 3: to ask from my assistance with raising money, and I

515
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 3: ended up helping them a great deal because I wanted to.

516
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Speaker 3: I thought it was a genuine thing to do, and

517
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: we donated all our time and everything, and then I

518
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 3: got to hang out with them socially and I said

519
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: to them, I said, it's going to sound crazy. I'd

520
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 3: probably known them about two years, but I want to

521
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Speaker 3: be a paramedic. And they were like, oh my god,

522
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Speaker 3: it's got Why do you want to do that? We

523
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Speaker 3: love coming to your cafe, like you seem to have

524
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Speaker 3: so much fun there. I said, I wanted to do

525
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Speaker 3: it since I was a kid. And like I said,

526
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Speaker 3: they were incredibly gracious with their time, and they wrote

527
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Speaker 3: me a reference and organized for me to have an

528
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Speaker 3: appointment with the Dina Schools at Victoria University. And I

529
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Speaker 3: didn't know who that. I didn't even know what a

530
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Speaker 3: Dina school. I had no idea mate, so and they

531
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Speaker 3: said to me, take this letter and make the guy cake.

532
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Speaker 3: So I made a cake. And it was at twenty

533
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Speaker 3: to twelve on a Tuesday in about two thousand and three,

534
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Speaker 3: I think, and I knocked on the door. The gentleman

535
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Speaker 3: said come in, and he said, oh, you're you're Baron's friend.

536
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Speaker 3: I said yes, and he was exceptional, lovely man, asked

537
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Speaker 3: me lots of good questions, like what do you intend

538
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Speaker 3: to do with your business, and explained how it would work.

539
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 3: You're married, how does that work? You know? And he

540
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 3: literally said to me, he said, what's in the box?

541
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Speaker 3: I said, Oh, they told me to make you a cake?

542
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 3: And he laughed. I'd made it an exceptionally nice chocolate

543
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: cake and he opened the box. He said, oh, wow,

544
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: you didn't have to. I said, oh, they told me to.

545
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 3: And it was like a bit of a trick they'd

546
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Speaker 3: played on me, and that that gentleman was Tony Walker. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

548
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Speaker 3: And Tony Walker went on to be the CEO of

549
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Speaker 3: Emuls Victoria and I didn't know, you know, how that

550
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 3: would work, but he had a thing called the Dean's discretion,

551
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: So he placed myself and nine other people in UNI.

552
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 3: Like we got put into UNI the next year and

553
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: we started, and I'm still very good friends with two

554
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: of the people. I mean, I'm still pretty good mate

555
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: with a lot of people I went to UNI with.

556
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Speaker 3: But there's a couple of people that were in the

557
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: same position as me, who'd come from diverse and adverse backgrounds,

558
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Speaker 3: and he put us into UNI. And you know, I

559
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: was sitting the guy I become very good friends with.

560
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 3: I was sitting next to him. It was the fourth

561
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: day and they were using they were talking Latin terms,

562
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 3: and and we both looked at each other and said,

563
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Speaker 3: I don't think this is I can do this.

564
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Speaker 2: What the fuck have I done?

565
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 3: Like pathophysiology? Yeah, it was very interesting and obviously quite challenging,

566
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: but I obviously, you know, I must have done well.

567
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Speaker 2: Yeah, my first day of UNI, I was thirty six.

568
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: Wow.

569
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Speaker 1: And it was two thousand, the year two thousand and

570
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Speaker 1: I was sitting in a computer lab at ACU. I

571
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Speaker 1: did my undergrade at ACU, my Bachelor of XI Science.

572
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Speaker 1: I may as well have been sitting on mars, right,

573
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Speaker 1: And I didn't know. I'm with you, like I didn't

574
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Speaker 1: know if you had have said type type out the

575
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Speaker 1: cat sat on the mat, that would have taken two

576
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Speaker 1: minutes because I would have had to locate every key

577
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Speaker 1: with my eyes.

578
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Speaker 2: Right, yes, and yes, yes, So I'm plunked at a

579
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Speaker 2: computer and.

580
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Speaker 1: A guy says, the guy at the front says, all right,

581
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Speaker 1: just log on using your student ID. And he might

582
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Speaker 1: as well have said hana hana haa right, I'm like,

583
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Speaker 1: I don't know what I don't know what the I

584
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: don't know what that means. I'm thirty six and literally

585
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Speaker 1: I can even tell you her name. Her name's Bianca Morasco.

586
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: She was sitting next to me, seventeen years old, first

587
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Speaker 1: year student, also late late birthday, and I said to Bianca,

588
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: what does that mean? She goes type in so in that,

589
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: you know, use your cursor, click on that thing.

590
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, what's a cursor? What's a Like I'm not even.

591
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: Being funny right because he had to lean out, she

592
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: had to lean over and do it for me, and

593
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: like me looking at my lanyard which had my student

594
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: ID with fucking thirty two numbers. Yes, that's where I

595
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: started as well, and I was yeah both times I started,

596
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: like with my PHDM with that, I yeah, straight away

597
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: thought what have I done? Like this is just going

598
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: to end up in humiliation and embarrassment because I don't,

599
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's like my egos like you don't need

600
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: to be here.

601
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: You're already going, Okay, what the fuck are you doing here?

602
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 3: I certainly had moments like that because at the time

603
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Speaker 3: I had three cafes in the catering company and I

604
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: was very very well known in that area, and our

605
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: cafe was very well known, and I did on a

606
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: pretty regular basis. I think I'm just going to quit

607
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 3: because I don't need this kind of shit in my life.

608
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 3: Like I really did think that, And but I did

609
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: have some distinct advantages, like being older was I believe

610
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 3: it was an advantage. Like I like, I had a job.

611
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 3: So many of my classmates who then become my friends,

612
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: and you know, and then you know, ten years later,

613
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 3: you're going to their weddings and you're holding their babies

614
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff, and then you're watching

615
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: them go through pro senses that you had gone through already.

616
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: You know, you'd already had a mortgage, You're already you

617
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: know all this stuff. So you know, I would just

618
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: bring food. So I would just bring food. Literally, I

619
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 3: would work all weekend at the cafe and just bring

620
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: food and on Monday, and so our study group just

621
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: was like I some some beautiful people, Like I said,

622
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: I can't episence enough, so good to me. And still

623
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 3: my mates literally sat down and I'd say, have some

624
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: las onnion and they'd say, sure, I will show you how

625
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 3: to read a twelve at ECG, I would just feed

626
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 3: them and I'd say, come to my house, come to

627
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: my house, don't study at home, come to my house

628
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 3: and I'll feed you. And they literally there's a couple

629
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: of guys that stuck by me. And we then started

630
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: on the road together. So this is beautiful photo of

631
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: the four of us and everyone is still a paramedic.

632
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: But we started on the road together, and we started

633
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: at UNI together, and we're standing in the front of

634
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: the house where we did all our study, which was

635
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: my house because you know, no one had a house,

636
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: and all we would do is is eat food and

637
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: do scenarios and argue about a cute palm redeemer. Yeah

638
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: for two years, you know, of course.

639
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: But but isn't that That's the beauty of it, right,

640
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: is just hanging out with people who are doing what

641
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: you're doing, and probably people who at some bits of

642
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: it are better than you, right, and some bits you're

643
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: better than them.

644
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: Right. You've got skills and knowledge and a.

645
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: Kind of intelligence they don't or maybe to the same level.

646
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: And then also vice versa. So between the fouria you

647
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: kind of drag each other up.

648
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, Craigan. I couldn't emphasize that enough. Like

649
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: you know, one of the guys, Daniel Ja, we used

650
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: to call him the cardiologists because everything to do with

651
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: the heart. He was just so amazing at it. So

652
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: he become the cardiology guy. And then I had a

653
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: very good scene sense, and I had very good control

654
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: with my voice and how to command people and how

655
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: to get them to do stuff. But that's because I

656
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 3: just spent fifteen years in the kitchen. So when we

657
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 3: would run scenarios, I would say, oh, you know, if

658
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: you talk this, if you say that word, the people

659
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 3: will be more inclined to do what you ask. And then,

660
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: you know, one of the other guys was just amazing

661
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: with pharmacology and even just explaining stuff like you know. So, yeah,

662
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 3: we were very fortunately we had this great diverse group

663
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: of people, all varying ages, like daniel j was nineteen,

664
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: I was thirty two, you know, so and we spent

665
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: quite an intense amount of time together because you're at

666
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: school together and then literally after school you're studying together,

667
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: and then you're you're fretting about each other as you

668
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: go into an exam, and then you're asking how you went,

669
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 3: and then after two years you're applying for jobs, and

670
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: we're all sat by the phone waiting to get interviews

671
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: with the ambulance Victoria, and then we waited to get

672
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 3: our letters and then we you know, forty two of us,

673
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: all who had spent you know, two years inn together,

674
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 3: got picked up and all started on the same day

675
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: and they all qualified together. So I honestly believe that

676
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: that situation helped me incredibly because I always had someone

677
00:33:59,360 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: to talk to.

678
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we.

679
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: Romanticized is not the right word, but we we maybe

680
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: like some jobs, like being an ambo such a cool job, paramedic.

681
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you're out, you're saving lives and

682
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: it's like you're at the coal face of you know,

683
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: when you're hacking. And all of that is true. But

684
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: at the same time, a lot of that equals trauma.

685
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: Yes, And so tell me about the you know, you

686
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: don't need.

687
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: Specific instances, but generalize, like because you're dealing like often

688
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: under immense pressure in difficult situations, complicated situations with a

689
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: broad range of variables, and there are only certain people

690
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: who are good in that. You know, you might have

691
00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: the most brilliant person theoretically who's a fucking disaster actically like, I.

692
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: Don't know if you. I think you probably have heard

693
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: the term flow, Like I absolutely believe in flow. I

694
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 3: believe when you and I've done that when I've been

695
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: in the kitchen. I've done it when I race motorcycles,

696
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: and I've had it when I've been working on an

697
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 3: incredibly sick patient and things do seem to for me personally,

698
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: and I've had this conversation. I've given this presentation lots

699
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 3: of times about how things work for me in an

700
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: intense or high ten post situation, things slow down. It

701
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 3: sounds crazy, but that's how my brain works. I think

702
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 3: it is a bit of a superpower. And I've talked

703
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 3: to other people about it. So you know, in the

704
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 3: middle of quite an intense situation, you have to think

705
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: three or four steps ahead. So you go where they're

706
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: going to park the fire truck, where they're going to

707
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 3: land the helicopter. Who are we going to rendezvous with?

708
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 3: Where are we going to do that? Will there be lighting,

709
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 3: will be a good place to park, And you'll be

710
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 3: doing that while you're doing a drug calculation and talking

711
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 3: to your partner about Because I verbalize every single thing

712
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: I do. I used to I used to do it

713
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 3: same thing when I was cooking, because I would say, oh,

714
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 3: we're going to go with this table, so I just

715
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 3: change it to this. What's going to happen next, we'll

716
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 3: canulate the patient and then we're going to do this.

717
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: We'll put an airway in, we'll ventilate. While we're ventilating,

718
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: you go and get the car. Blah blah blah blah blah.

719
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 3: So there's certainly been situations where I'm in the middle

720
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: of that, gone, I don't know how the fuck I

721
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 3: got here. I'm just some dude from some kid from

722
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 3: the bush mate who likes to drive fast. This is

723
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: way too much for me. But then you start looking

724
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 3: for an adult and you realize the adult. Then you go, oh,

725
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: that's right, I'm the adult, and you realize everybody's looking

726
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 3: at you. And that's the thing that we do discuss

727
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 3: with our students. Like when you put on the uniform,

728
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: which I believe is a privilege to wear, no one

729
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: prepares you. We try to do it at school, but

730
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: no one prepares you for the gravity of who you

731
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: now are. And that can be something as simple as

732
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 3: you're standing in line waiting you get a coffee. Yeah,

733
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 3: it's and someone comes up to you to grab your

734
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: hand and say, oh my god, I wanted to say

735
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 3: thank you, and you say, oh, okay, I probably wasn't me.

736
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 3: And they may tell you a little story and say, well,

737
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 3: as a matter of fact, I know those people. I

738
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: work very close to that branch that you're talking about,

739
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 3: and I think I know who you're talking about. I

740
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: will have a chat with them. I will tell them

741
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 3: that you say thank you, and that people say, oh,

742
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: you know, thank you so much for the work you do.

743
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 3: And you know, people will offer to buy your coffee

744
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: and I'm sorry, please, don't you know you don't have

745
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: to do that, or people will literally move to the

746
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 3: side so you can get to the front of your queue.

747
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: That kind of stuff can be a bit much sometimes,

748
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: Like so, you have to be very aware that once

749
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 3: you put the uniform on that it comes with this

750
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: very heavy level of responsible and behavior, like you can't

751
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 3: doesn't matter how much you're aching for a beer, you

752
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: can't go have one in uniform, even if you've finished,

753
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: you know, just because of the public's perception of what you're doing.

754
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely get that.

755
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: Just HARKing back momentarily to your comment about flow one,

756
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: moment wheregular civilian like me would you would never think

757
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: you'd be in flow is when your training partner dies

758
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: right in the gym and I remember like this, like almost, ah,

759
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: what's the word like illogical calm?

760
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 3: Yes?

761
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: Why am I not freaking out? And why am I

762
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: just you know? And I don't know maybe that's not

763
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm not taking any credit for that anyone.

764
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, like I didn't. I'm not fucking special.

765
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: I've never but I just did in that moment for

766
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: the seventeen minutes that he was somewhere else, ye you know,

767
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: and the eleven minutes before the Ambos got there, it's like, oh, it.

768
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 2: Was just very and yeah, you're right.

769
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: It's like a time vortex, right, it is like everything

770
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: goes slow and and I'm I'm telling people to do

771
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: stuff like nobody would come and help me because every

772
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: one freaked out.

773
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: Yes.

774
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: And then in the end there was one guy looking

775
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: at me and I said, what's your name? And he

776
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: told me his name. I won't say his name, I'll

777
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: just say Darren. I said, Darren, I want you to

778
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: come over here now, and I'm not asking, so get

779
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: over here.

780
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: And he went yep.

781
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: And then he came over and I said, you just

782
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: do this and you're doing great, and yeah, but it's

783
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: it's and I mean, you know, I've only pulled back

784
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: the curtain one millimeter compared to what you've done. But

785
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: that is I think you said to me when we're chatting,

786
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: something like, I know this aren't these aren't words out

787
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: of your mouth. But bringing people back from the dead

788
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: is like a bit addictive. Ye, making dead people alive

789
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 1: again is addictive.

790
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: It is. And people who say it's not a lying

791
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 3: because I've done it obviously so many times. When it works,

792
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 3: when you come down off that high like it's it's

793
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 3: it's hard, especially if things went very well and very smoothly,

794
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 3: and and and everything happened when it was supposed to,

795
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: so that the two minute marks, something happened, at the

796
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: four minute marks, something happened that you have trained for

797
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: for a long long time, and especially if you're working

798
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: with people who are just like you, who've been on

799
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 3: the road for a while, and that no one has

800
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 3: a raised voice, you're no one as a race heart

801
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 3: rate literally and hey, mate, is anything you do that awesome?

802
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: He wants to canulate. Can you cmulate for me, Thanks

803
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 3: so much. And I have had the privilege of being

804
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 3: in those situations where someone who was dead is now

805
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 3: alive and yeah, look that's it's such as it is addictive.

806
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 3: And then and then you have to let it go

807
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: because obviously that doesn't work out all the time, and

808
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: you have to be very careful because you will then

809
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: go to someone and you will have a bit of

810
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 3: confidence about you and that you can't resuscitate them. And

811
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 3: it's not because you've done something incorrectly. It's because they

812
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 3: were never going to be retrievable, and that you know,

813
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: for a lot of our students, the first time that happens,

814
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 3: it's a big thing for them.

815
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, mate, I was wondering about is it possible,

816
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: like when somebody is will jump out of the paramedics

817
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: in a moment, because there's so many other things I

818
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: want to get to, but make this the last one

819
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: in this space. But I think about you know how

820
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: we were talking about, somebody can go through do the

821
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: course flying colors, yes, hds or whatever the equivalent scoring

822
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: system is, you know, high distinctions blah blah blah, but

823
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: then not necessarily be good at all at the job.

824
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: What training or conversations, if any happened around the real world.

825
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: Forget all the clinical and the medical and do this

826
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: and put that in there and dut that up. But

827
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: all the emotional and psychological requirements of doing the job,

828
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: like I know, nothing can prepare them for the job

829
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: as well as the job of course, but is there anything.

830
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 3: So at the university we have a thing called death

831
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: Week where all the patients die and you get taught

832
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 3: how to give a family notice, and you get taught

833
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 3: how to discuss what will happen next, because for a

834
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: lot of people they have no idea, so they apart

835
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: from that. So when you start on the road, you

836
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: have a clinical instructor. And if that instructor is good.

837
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: And I remember the first you know, dead person I

838
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 3: was involved with my instructor. It was a lovely guy

839
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 3: and I just watched what he did. I listened to

840
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: the tone of his voice and said, that is the

841
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 3: benchmark for me, and that he's the benchmark for me forever,

842
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: and I want to be that good. But I was

843
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 3: fortunate because I was surrounded by exceptionally amazing people. Some

844
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 3: of them are still working, some of them are you know.

845
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 3: Went on to be my very good friends, and I

846
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: worked with them quite a lot over the last twenty years.

847
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 3: Is there anything official? I would say no, certainly you

848
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: will find that people when you go to do something,

849
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 3: someone like I remember the first time I had to

850
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 3: give notice, right, So I had to so I ran

851
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 3: this arrest. That's the first time I was running an arrest, right.

852
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: So I was in charge. I was on the airway,

853
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: I was in charge, and Micah turned up and my

854
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 3: CI pointed at me and said he's in charge. And

855
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: I was absolutely shitting myself. And I say, an eighty

856
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 3: something year old male on the floor. He'd been pulled

857
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: out of his bed and he was in cardiac arrest.

858
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 3: So we're working on him. So after about twenty minutes,

859
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 3: my clinic constructions said to me, do you think it's

860
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 3: time for the chat? And I was like, now, the

861
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 3: chat is when we're going to decide to stop to

862
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: we are going to decide to cease for suscitation on

863
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: that patient. And so what you have to do is

864
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 3: you have to go and have a chat with the family.

865
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 3: You have to go and tell them what's going on,

866
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: and you have to use the big words, and you

867
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 3: have to explo to them that we're going to keep going

868
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: for another ten minutes. That's what's called the ten minute chat.

869
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 3: But there's a high probability that that person we will

870
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: not be able to resists to take successfully.

871
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: Right.

872
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 3: So it was a summer and I was covered in

873
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: sweat and we'd taken our shirts off, and everyone was

874
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: covered in sweat. And I got I stood up and

875
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: might see. I picked up a towel, throw it out,

876
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 3: and he goes, clean stuff up, please, he is put

877
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: shirt back on, and he goes, remember what you're going

878
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 3: to say, because those people are going to remember it forever.

879
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: Yes.

880
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, that's heavy. But he was also like,

881
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 3: you know, one of my favorite people in the world.

882
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 3: And I learned heaps from him, and I respected him

883
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 3: and I'd seen him do it. So my added my

884
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 3: goal and my attitude was I want to deliver this

885
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 3: information as clear as possible, but with as much empathy

886
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 3: as possible. So so these people have been married for

887
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: fifty years. So the wife was down in this room,

888
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 3: which was like a little library, and she was sitting

889
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 3: in this big, light blue chair and the whole room

890
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: was cut arounded by books. And I walked in and

891
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 3: I said to her, this is what's going on, but

892
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 3: at the moment, it appears that we will not be

893
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: able to successfully resuscitate your husband. However, he's getting the

894
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 3: best care that he could get, like he's getting the

895
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 3: same level of care that he would get in a hospital.

896
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 3: But things are working against us, and we will stop

897
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: resuscitation in about ten minutes. And this lady got out

898
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 3: of the chair, an amazing, beautiful, frail old lady, and

899
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 3: she gave me a hug and she said, thank you

900
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 3: so much. You guys are working so hard. And I

901
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 3: was like, whoa, okay, And obviously it was quite emotional

902
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 3: for me. I was probably crying, I think. And then

903
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 3: I have to walk back down the hall and go

904
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: back into the room and say to my colleagues, yeah, yeah,

905
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 3: I've had the chat. The family is very aware that

906
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 3: we're going to stop, and they're like cool, okay. And

907
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: so when I have students, I explained, I tell them

908
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 3: that story and explained, this is the deal that works.

909
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: Just remember know these people are going to remember exactly

910
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: what you say. They're going to remember it forever, regardless

911
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: of how old they are, you know, and they'll always

912
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 3: they will always remember how nice you were and what

913
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 3: you said.

914
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: It's incredible, man, And that's like such a it's like

915
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: a privilege and almost a burden.

916
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: I believe it's a privilege, like I have had the

917
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: privilege of, you know, delivering babies, so being the first

918
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 3: person that someone sees. And I've also been with people

919
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: who are dying and they know they're dying and they're

920
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 3: looking at you. You know they're dying, they know they're dying.

921
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: They're looking at you like it's okay to let me die,

922
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 3: and you're you maybe fighting for them to live, but

923
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 3: they are looking at you like it's okay. And that

924
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 3: that is heavy and you can't prepare for that, Like

925
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 3: what your response to that is sometimes interesting because I

926
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: remember the first time I cried. I was ashamed to

927
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 3: be crying because I wanted to be a good paramedic

928
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 3: and I certainly did not want to. But once again,

929
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 3: the person that I was working with, who's lovely man,

930
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 3: like I still mates with him, like he's one of

931
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 3: my heroes, he pulled me aside and said, mate, you know,

932
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: we just sadly, you know, pulled an eighteen year old

933
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: girl out of a damn and that's sad, mate, and

934
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: she's dead now that you should If you weren't crying,

935
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 3: I would be you know, I would think there was

936
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 3: something wrong. And I was like okay, and I was blubbering.

937
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 3: I wasn't just crying like you know, I was blubbering

938
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: because because that was my case and I was trying

939
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 3: to write the case sheet and I had to ask

940
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: all these quite clinical questions and it just overwhelmed me.

941
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 3: It was like this this thing that came over me

942
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: and just emptied me, and I just started crying and

943
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: I had to leave the room. And then you know,

944
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 3: my colleague came out and just spoke to me in

945
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 3: such a lovely way and said, mate, this is normal,

946
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: this is it's not you know, life sometimes sucks, and

947
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: we did the best we could do. We did the

948
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 3: best we could do. Yeah, and that's what you need

949
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 3: to understand. And yeah, so yeah, you like yeah, some

950
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 3: some I think what we do is amazing. Five percent.

951
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: It's terrible. But if it was the other way around this,

952
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 3: no no one could do it. It's no way.

953
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with your partner. I mean, if you were

954
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: going through that and you weren't upset, I'll be like Scott,

955
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: he's a sociopath. I'm like, oh no, give me the

956
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 1: fuck away from him. Yeah, man, that.

957
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: That is that is super duper hard. One last thing.

958
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: What you said, like, sometimes you're with someone and they

959
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 1: you're the last person they see and they're dying.

960
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: You know they're dying. They know they're dying.

961
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: And they look at you and almost give you permission

962
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: to let them go, or they go to you somehow

963
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: it's okay, like almost allay, your I don't know, yes,

964
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: you're I don't know pain or something like tell me

965
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: about like how do you not?

966
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: I don't know.

967
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: I'm just interested in that when somebody.

968
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've certainly been holding people's hands who look at

969
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 3: you like you they want you to stop what you're doing, right,

970
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 3: and they squeeze your hand and they're like, yeah, you

971
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 3: need to let me go, especially obviously with much much

972
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 3: older people. Yes, you know, and yeah.

973
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 2: They kind of are they kind of saying to you, mate,

974
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: it's okay.

975
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: Yes, yes they are for sure. And once again, if

976
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 3: if you were to ask someone who's been on the

977
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: road ten fifteen years, I guarantee they'll say the same thing.

978
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 3: Because I've OUs obviously had this conversation with my friends, Like,

979
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 3: I think it's fair of me to speak this way

980
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 3: because this is for me. Amongst my colleagues and peers,

981
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 3: it would be some people will tell you it's common,

982
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 3: like they've had the same experience as me. So I

983
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: guess if no one talks about it, then people who

984
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 3: have the experience will go as a bit weird, whereas

985
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 3: I think you should talk about it because I don't

986
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 3: think it is weird.

987
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: Like, is there any.

988
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: Is there any you know how you said, when you're

989
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: doing your job, you're in the moment, you're fluid, You're

990
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: kind of solving multiple problems. And so I'm doing that

991
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: right now in the podcast. So this is my current plan. Right,

992
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm not solving any problems. I'm just thinking because we're

993
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: coming up to an hour. Yes, and we've literally spoken

994
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: about three percent of your life. Well not free, but

995
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean, there's so much stuff.

996
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: So this is my current plan. I think we're going

997
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: to talk for another five or so pull the pin,

998
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: and then I think we're going to do another one

999
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: and talk about everything that is not ambulance fictori or

1000
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: paramedic involved.

1001
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: So is there any remnants of.

1002
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: Trauma grief PTSD lurking that you need to kind of navigate.

1003
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you've been in a lot of stuff that

1004
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: probably you know one thousand what the average person sees

1005
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: in a lifetime.

1006
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 3: So I have PTSD like I got diagnosed six six

1007
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 3: years ago, like I have nightmares like it doesn't sometimes

1008
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 3: it doesn't affect them. I have no problem going to

1009
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 3: work and putting on my uniform because I love it.

1010
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 3: But I certainly I sometimes lack the empathy with some patients.

1011
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 3: And unfortunately I got assaulted. I actually I got beaten up.

1012
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: I had my gaw dislocated. I ended up with a

1013
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 3: traumatic brain injury. I had my ribs broken. I literally

1014
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 3: had the shit kicked out of me by a patient,

1015
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 3: and which ended my single respond to career, which I loved.

1016
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 3: I absolutely love doing that job. I was to drive

1017
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 3: orf get flown to a town really far away, like

1018
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 3: six hours away, and I'd live there for a week

1019
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 3: and you would be on care for twenty four hours

1020
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 3: a day. And that was, without far, my favorite job ever.

1021
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 3: And when I got assaulted, I had to stop. I

1022
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 3: wasn't allowed to do that anymore, and that made me

1023
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 3: incredibly sad because I generinely feel the people of rural

1024
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: and remote Victoria deserves the same level of care as

1025
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 3: the people of Footscray or Coburg or Hampton. So that

1026
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 3: and that is a very uncommon role, like to be

1027
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 3: a rual believer, you know, but I loved it, and

1028
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: I did some of my absolute best work by myself

1029
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 3: or working with a volunteer which we call ACOS, which

1030
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 3: is still a program that's running, you know. So So

1031
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 3: to answer your question, like, definitely, everyone that's done ten

1032
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 3: or fifteen years has some form of trauma associated and

1033
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: how they deal with it where they do deal with

1034
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 3: it positively, like go swimming, go running, play guitar, do

1035
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 3: lots of lovely good things, take a break, travel, or

1036
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 3: whether they do it which I would suggest negatively, like

1037
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 3: vast consumptions of alcohol, or I looks at substances and

1038
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 3: stuff like that, like I don't think that's cool. I've

1039
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 3: never thought that's cool, Like you know, getting pierced and

1040
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: getting blind drunk. The issues are the same when you

1041
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 3: wake up the next day. Whereas I think if you

1042
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: go surfing that dopamine hit that you're looking for, you

1043
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 3: get it. So I think it's a little bit gentler

1044
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: on you to do that kind of stuff. But yeah,

1045
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 3: like I see a shrink. Basically, she saved my life.

1046
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 3: I absolutely love her, you know, I still see her.

1047
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 3: A lot of my mates see shrinks. We talk about

1048
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 3: it's a bit of a joke, a bit of an

1049
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: ongoing gag, you know, like you'll get into the car

1050
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 3: here you being it's gotta oh yeah, good mate, how's

1051
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 3: the shrink? Eh? Cool? What is what we've been talking about?

1052
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: It's healthier, way healthy, way healthier than iiding it and

1053
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 3: saying to people, no, I don't see a shrink, which

1054
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 3: is absurd because you've been in a room at twelve paramedics,

1055
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 3: eight of them will be seeing someone.

1056
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: And probably twelve of them should be absolutely and I'm.

1057
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 3: Sure that's similar numbers to police, to nursing and some

1058
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: other aspect like maybe fieries as well.

1059
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: Now we're going to talk about this next time, but

1060
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: I want to plug it anyway while we're here. The

1061
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: tails and troubles of her Ratio Jones and he's continuing,

1062
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: and he's continuing, sadness. Yes, now I've had a glimpse.

1063
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: I've read for about an hour. It's I haven't read

1064
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: the whole book. I'm not, but it's bloody. It's bloody great,

1065
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,479
Speaker 1: it's and you've it's good. It's on a slow burn.

1066
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: You've sold thousands of copies. People are just discovering it.

1067
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: Can you just give our listeners? And we didn't get

1068
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: him on here for this. This is in fact, I

1069
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 1: almost forgot all about it. But I thought he's written

1070
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: a book. We definitely, in fact, he's written two books.

1071
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 2: We should just give us a snapshot of what the book's.

1072
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 3: About, Okay, say, the main character is a girl named Constantine.

1073
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 3: She's a photographer and she gets given like a portfolio

1074
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 3: of writers. And one of those writers is a gentleman

1075
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: by the name of Horatio Jones, who is a bit

1076
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 3: of a recluse and flatly refuses to have anything to

1077
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 3: do with her. So she's sort of chasing him around Europe,

1078
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 3: because the whole book said in Europe, because every year

1079
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 3: I go and live in Europe. And he without giving

1080
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 3: too much of the story away, because you know, you

1081
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 3: should read the book. You know they did this whole

1082
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 3: thing of playing chasy around Europe. And yeah, and it's

1083
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 3: got some poetry. He's a poet. He writes poetry and

1084
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 3: It was kind of interesting because obviously I had to

1085
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 3: become all these different people, which is really kind of cool.

1086
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 3: And each time they're removed from you, you get away

1087
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 3: with it a little bit more like a ratio. Jones

1088
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 3: gets to say shit that I'd like to say, but

1089
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 3: if I said it, people would think was weird.

1090
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is a thinly disguised message from you.

1091
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. So it was really one of the most interesting

1092
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 3: things is you know, I've had the privilege of being

1093
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 3: involved in some writers festivals and you do Q and

1094
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 3: as and and I had we had some dinners where

1095
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 3: people had bought the book and then organized for their

1096
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 3: book club to have me come and we would talk

1097
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 3: about the book. And I had some beautiful, prominently older

1098
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 3: ladies say to me, oh, is this true? And I'd say, well,

1099
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 3: that story is true. That absolutely happened. I was there,

1100
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 3: and obviously there's some traumatic stories in there. And they

1101
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 3: might say, well is that that well I read that

1102
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 3: thing about this and is that true? And I say, yeah,

1103
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 3: that happened. I really did. You know. It was sad,

1104
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 3: but it actually happened. And they would say, I think

1105
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 3: there's a character in there, and he's a chef and

1106
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 3: he's got tatoo is I think that's you? And you go, well,

1107
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 3: I don't know, like why do you think it's me?

1108
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: You know.

1109
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 3: So it's very interesting people's perception of what it is

1110
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 3: and how it works. And I certainly have had people

1111
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 3: say to me, oh, you know, I think you did

1112
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 3: this so you could that character is you and then

1113
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 3: you get to say that, and I said, oh, look,

1114
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 3: I didn't overthink it, you know, I just wrote it

1115
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 3: and thank you very much for reading it, you.

1116
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: Know, so yeah, and of course you know you wrote it.

1117
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: It's like, even with the stuff that I write that's

1118
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: not fiction, but it's still you coming, you know, even

1119
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: my messages on an Instagram, it's still it's still an

1120
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: expression of who I am.

1121
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 2: You know, go on.

1122
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 3: I was going to say, yeah, what for me is

1123
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 3: what is lovely? And it's been people say, oh, that

1124
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 3: poem you wrote, it's got this amazing so lovely, and

1125
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, thank you. Think it means a lot because

1126
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 3: you know, one of my very good friends who was

1127
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: the first, one of the first people to read it,

1128
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 3: rang up and said, mate, I read the book. It's amazing.

1129
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 3: Did you write the whole thing? And I went yeah,

1130
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: even the poetry, And I went, yeah, where did you

1131
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 3: think I got that from? Like, Gus, the poetry is amazing,

1132
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 3: I went, thank you.

1133
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny how there's this little dude who works

1134
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: at seven to eleven near the gym where I train,

1135
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: and I don't know how old he is, twenty and

1136
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: he figured out I don't know how I didn't tell him.

1137
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: He figured out who I am, not that I'm anyone,

1138
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: but and now he follows me on Instagram and every

1139
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: day I come in, I get a coffee, usually which

1140
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: I try and get a coffee because I'm going to

1141
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: come home and study or research.

1142
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: Or writes or whatever.

1143
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: And yesterday I went in, I got a coffee and

1144
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: he goes, can I ask you a question?

1145
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 2: I go, yeah. He goes, all the things on your Instagram?

1146
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 2: Do you write them? I go. I'm like, it's got

1147
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: my fucking name on it.

1148
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1149
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 2: I go, yeah, yeah yeah, And.

1150
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: He goes, but but like all the words, like at

1151
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: all the words your words, like like it's kind of

1152
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: insulting me and a little bit like because you look

1153
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: too fucking stupid, and like I don't know what that though.

1154
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: You know, people who don't know me and they just

1155
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: see my shit and they think, gee, this is quite whatever,

1156
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: clever or philosophical or helpful or yes, and then they

1157
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: meet me.

1158
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: It's like a disappointment because.

1159
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 3: I definitely, I definitely have had that, but more from

1160
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 3: people that I know, never from strangers, more from people

1161
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 3: know me for a long time, have come to me gone,

1162
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 3: I heard you write a book. And I'm like, I

1163
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 3: love when people say that, because you go, well, clearly

1164
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 3: you heard that, and you probably have gone to the website,

1165
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 3: and you know I did, right because there's clearly pictures

1166
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 3: of me on the website. Right. I didn't build the website.

1167
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 3: Someone did it for me, an amazing job.

1168
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: Right.

1169
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 3: So then I'm always interested in what comes next and

1170
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 3: they go, I just really wrote that book and you think, nah, dude,

1171
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 3: like I didn't, even though it's got my name on it.

1172
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 3: And there's heaps of stories in there, and if you

1173
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 3: read them you can clearly it's me, you know, So

1174
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 3: that part of it has it has been sometimes quite funny

1175
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 3: because I think people would look at you, maybe maybe

1176
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 3: the people that look at you personally, so they look

1177
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 3: at Craig Cark and they go big guy lifts heavy things, well,

1178
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 3: probably can't be that smart, clearly, because you can't have both, right,

1179
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 3: and then maybe people look at me and go smaller

1180
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 3: guy covered in tattoos, Well, straight away he must be

1181
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 3: dickare because he's coming to Satday. He's even gotatoos on

1182
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 3: his hands, he must be That's not cool. Where's nail polish?

1183
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 3: Fucking not cool? Big ear rings, looks like an old

1184
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 3: school punk rocker.

1185
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1186
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 3: I don't want to talk to him, and I wouldn't

1187
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 3: let maybe my kids talk to him. Kind of vibe.

1188
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 3: So obviously when you wear a uniform completely different, it is,

1189
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 3: I think, very conflicting for some people when I come

1190
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 3: into their house, But once I hopefully want to start talking,

1191
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: they're fine with it, because they normally are. I've never

1192
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 3: had someone complain, but yeah, for me, that's been the

1193
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 3: most interesting part, Like when I go to a writer's festival,

1194
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: like I'm maybe not wearing enough long black coats.

1195
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, you need to you need to get

1196
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: a little darker. Hey, I want to ask you, what's

1197
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: your heart rate?

1198
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 3: Eighty seven?

1199
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, there it is, Look at you. Hey, he's fucking

1200
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: found his groove. All right, we're going to go, but

1201
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: tell everyone where they can get your book.

1202
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 3: Www. Dot Horatio. Is it the underscore the little thing?

1203
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Underscore Underscore Jones. Yeah, he is the fucking salesperson

1204
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: of all time.

1205
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 2: Hey, I am I'm terrible. Yeah you're shit, but that's okay.

1206
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 2: You'll get better.

1207
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: I'll fucking coach you. Hey, we're gonna we're going to

1208
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: reboot and do another one and talk about the million

1209
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: other things that you've done. You're just an interesting dude.

1210
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: You're a humble dude. You like you're a good person.

1211
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: I love having chats with people like you. I love

1212
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: catching up yesterday, I love catching up today. I think

1213
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: my listeners will love you. I appreciate you. We'll say

1214
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: goodbye affair, but for the moment, thanks mate, see you soon.

1215
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 3: No worries. Thank you very I appreciate you too, and

1216
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 3: thank you so much for the time you've been very gracious.