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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, George Russell wins the Singapore Grand Prix

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Speaker 1: after another contentious race for McLaren's management of the title

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Speaker 1: battle between Oscar Piastre and Lando Norris. Rookie furman Aldegaer

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Speaker 1: wins his maiden Grand Prix at the indonaes at the

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Speaker 1: Indonesian Motorcycle Grand Prix, and we look ahead to this

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Speaker 1: weekend's Bathist one thousand. My name is Michael Lomonado. It's

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Speaker 1: great to have your company and the company of my

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Speaker 1: co host. He's one of the few non injured people

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Speaker 1: involved in Moto GP. It's Matt Clayton.

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Speaker 2: Give it time, Michael.

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Speaker 3: In the next like half an hour, I might, you know,

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Speaker 3: have a paper cut or you know, staple myself to

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Speaker 3: the desk or something.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's been a little bit like that in

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Speaker 2: Motor GV.

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Speaker 3: At this stage they haven't quite caught me up for

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Speaker 3: a wild card for Philipilon, which is probably advisable for

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Speaker 3: everyone's sake, but we're not far off at this point.

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Speaker 1: No, only one or two more fractures or perhaps paper cuts,

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Speaker 1: and you I think will in fact be on the grid.

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Speaker 1: Great news for you, Bill Less, good news for the

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Speaker 1: writers who are increasingly missed end this season. We'll touch

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Speaker 1: on whether GPE a little bit later, of course, the

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Speaker 1: Indonesian Motorcycle Grand Prix having just passed us, but we

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Speaker 1: start with the Singapore Formula One Grand Prix at the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Six rounds to go now in the championship, and for

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Speaker 1: the third weekend in a row, Oscar Piastri's title lead

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Speaker 1: has been cut. It's down to twenty two points over

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Speaker 1: Lando Norris sixty three points over Max Forsappen, depending on

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Speaker 1: whether or not you think he's in the title fight.

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Speaker 1: We will touch on that in just a second. But

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Speaker 1: the overriding talking point was not George Russell's second victory

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Speaker 1: of the season for reasons he could not explain. It

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Speaker 1: was Lando Norris beating Oscar Piastri to third place in

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Speaker 1: this race after contact on the first lap and then

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Speaker 1: no action from the team on the grounds of fairness

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Speaker 1: or as they increasingly call it, values and principles of

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Speaker 1: the team. Slightly less catchy or better, depending on whether

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Speaker 1: or not you liked the papayah rules, Monika. But let's

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Speaker 1: start with that incident Matt because that has been the

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Speaker 1: contentious one. Oscar Piastric clearly didn't agree with the team

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Speaker 1: not intervening. Lando Norris said if he didn't go for

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Speaker 1: him paraphrase that ed and said a quote that gets

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Speaker 1: way too much coverage that if a driver would not

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Speaker 1: go for that gap, they do not belong in Formula one.

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Speaker 4: Was his take on it.

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Speaker 5: What's yours?

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Speaker 3: I am simultaneously completely bored and riveted by this entire

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Speaker 3: thing at the same time at this point, because it

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Speaker 3: feels like we have very similar conversations but they get

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Speaker 3: more ridiculous on a weekly basis.

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Speaker 2: So let's let's try.

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Speaker 3: And unpack this as best as we can. Let's just

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Speaker 3: take forget all the context in the background and everything

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Speaker 3: that preceded it. The Norris move itself. It was robust,

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Speaker 3: it was Lap one of a Grand Prix. It was fine.

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Speaker 3: It's also track where you can't overtake, as the next

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Speaker 3: sixty one lap showed us. You know, it's just a

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Speaker 3: sweatier version of Monaco, really, isn't it. So I didn't

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Speaker 3: mind the fact that he saw an opportunity went for

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Speaker 3: a little bit clumsy tag the stab and bouncing to

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Speaker 3: his teammate. The move in and of itself was fine.

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Speaker 3: It's because of all the content that has preceded it

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Speaker 3: that we spent the remaining sixty one laps talking about it,

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Speaker 3: and god knows we needed to, because not a hell

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Speaker 3: of a lot else happened. And I just think, you know,

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Speaker 3: Oscar Piastre was straight on the radio here as you

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Speaker 3: knew that he was going to be. And I don't

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Speaker 3: know about you, but is there a sense of people

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Speaker 3: misinterpreting Pstre's radio at this point because you see the

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Speaker 3: reaction of some people that are consuming in this. No,

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Speaker 3: he's just winging about this, this and this. But surely

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Speaker 3: this is just the easiest way for him to make

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Speaker 3: his dissatisfaction public while simultaneously turning up the heat on

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Speaker 3: the team because of the way McLaren has just created

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Speaker 3: an absolute mountain out of a molehill here. I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: perhaps we should be thankful they have because it wouldn't

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Speaker 3: be hell of a lot going on otherwise. But you

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Speaker 3: can't look at the move in isolation as just a

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Speaker 3: move for a position in a race, which was fine.

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Speaker 3: All the pastre radio commentary and everything about this only

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Speaker 3: Both things can be true. Here, am I oversimplifying this now?

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Speaker 1: I think that that I really think it's important to

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Speaker 1: delineate between the two aspects of this entire situation. One

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Speaker 1: Oliver Bearman and Yuki Sonoda. You know, no one would

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Speaker 1: care to begin with, but the move would be fine

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Speaker 1: and non contentious. The reason that this is a talking

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Speaker 1: point is because of everything McLaren has set us up

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Speaker 1: for this season about the fact the team is willing

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Speaker 1: to intervene to preserve its understanding of fairness, to ensure

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Speaker 1: that no as it increasingly feels like that, no outside

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Speaker 1: just wheel to wheel racing or whoever's faster and nothing else,

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Speaker 1: which gets only harder than more other drivers and cars

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Speaker 4: So that's where the problem is.

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Speaker 1: If we talk about Piastre's radio in particular, probably the

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Speaker 1: most vociferous has been this season orerhaps his entire career,

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Speaker 1: it's less about him having a winge, and it's more

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Speaker 1: about two things. One is that and McLaren has said

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Speaker 1: this several times, not just in the aftermath of this,

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Speaker 1: that Andrea Stella and the team has encouraged these drivers

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Speaker 1: not to leave the radio closed if they have thoughts

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Speaker 1: or opinions. This is part of the strategy of ensuring

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Speaker 1: there's nothing that can bubble up without realizing that then

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Speaker 1: blows up at a later point. I think that perfectly fine,

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Speaker 1: makes sense, gives TV broadcast the mornings to put on

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Speaker 1: say necessarily trying to convince the team to tell Norris

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Speaker 1: just putting it out there that it means a Piastre's

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Speaker 1: it's public, which forces a discussion afterwards because the oldtive

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Speaker 1: risk and who knows if this is how McLaren would

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Speaker 1: first time he sort of said it in this way.

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Speaker 1: The interests are not aligned. At this point of the season,

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Speaker 1: Piastre to fight for them. So I think that covers

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Speaker 1: off the radio thing. But Matt, I want to ask you,

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Speaker 1: we've got quite a few examples for precedence over the

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Speaker 1: last two years. I think of the way McLaren handles this,

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Speaker 1: this is aligned the non decision McLaren ultimately took with

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Speaker 1: how you understand how McLaren understands fairness?

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Speaker 3: Do you think I have any idea of what McLaren

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Speaker 3: doesn't think about things at this point. I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: two things you mentioned there. Now that the Constructors Championship

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Speaker 3: us very different six rounds moving forward. That's probably a

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Speaker 3: narrative for another time, but I'm looking at the Piastre

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Speaker 3: situation here. What happened in Singapore in and of itself

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Speaker 3: agrieved by that. And then where this really jumped the shark,

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Speaker 3: let's be honest, is when we started litigating about what

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Speaker 3: bad luck entails with Monza, with the Norris pit stop

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Speaker 3: that went wrong, and then asking them to address that

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Speaker 3: it just feels like whenever there's these fifty to fifty situations,

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Speaker 3: that there's a cumulative Piastre deficit in all of these decisions.

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Speaker 3: It always feels like, to use a very Australian term,

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Speaker 2: End of the pieport Michael, and.

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Speaker 3: In and of itself, maybe not a big deal. But

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Speaker 3: if you're Piastre, you're probably looking at this game. My god,

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Speaker 3: this is like the third time now that there's been

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Speaker 3: something that's a little bit contentious and it hasn't gone

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Speaker 3: my way. But I had a couple of hypotheticals that

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Speaker 3: I wanted to bounce off you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we can leave.

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Speaker 3: I love a good game of hypotheticals. We can talk

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Speaker 3: you want. So my list of three hypotheticals. Does Norris

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Speaker 2: That's hypothetical one. Hypothetical two. Does McLaren ask.

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Speaker 3: For penalty or redress positions? If it was any other

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Speaker 3: And then the other point b to that is, so,

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Speaker 3: whatever it's Piastre hitting Norris, are we having the same

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Speaker 3: response at this point and for the first time since

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Speaker 3: he's not been in Formula One, Michael I actually missed

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Speaker 3: Christian Horder this weekend because you know, Red Bull would

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Speaker 3: they would have said Norris needs to be penalized. He

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Speaker 3: ran into Max at the first quarter. You know that

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Speaker 3: would have happened if Order was on the pitwall, so

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Speaker 3: that would have been quite funny. But the third hypothetical

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Speaker 3: for me is that it just feels like week by

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Speaker 3: week at the moment, McLaren's just taking a bigger shovel

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Speaker 3: and digging a bigger hole for itself, not just for

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Speaker 3: this season, right for however long this Norris Piastre partnership lasts,

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Speaker 3: and to me, like this almost guarantees that when it

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Speaker 3: some point, Piastre is the one that doesn't stay. It

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Speaker 3: was very, very hard to imagine Norris driving for another

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Speaker 3: and what that does to the narrative, but they've got

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Speaker 3: long the partnership lasts. And as I went back five

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Speaker 3: minutes ago, it just feels like they're making something so

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Speaker 3: that is basically impossible unless the race contains two McLaren's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is the thing, isn't it that

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Speaker 3: One more asterisk gone that that's super important that you

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Speaker 3: the god forsaken papyah rules the worst two words together

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Speaker 3: It tends to happen when things like this happen and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 5: Whatever.

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Speaker 1: You can't argue that any teammate probably shouldn't put their

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Speaker 3: going to be occupying similar parts of the grid. And

436
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Speaker 3: this sort of thing will probably increasingly happen between now

437
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Speaker 3: and the end of Abu Dhabi. And the useless trivia

438
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Speaker 3: fact I was going to give you is that the

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Speaker 3: top of a pineapple is called a crown.

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Speaker 4: There you go, There you go.

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Speaker 3: Pistre is left holding the crown of the pineapple. I've

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Speaker 3: been able to complete my very tortured analogy.

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Speaker 1: Holding the crown of the Pineapple of motorsport very good.

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Speaker 2: And maybe the World Championship in six rounds time, yes.

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Speaker 1: Quite Now, Before we move on from formul on entirely,

446
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Speaker 1: there are a couple of things we have to mention,

447
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Speaker 1: at least briefly touched some one already McLaren one. The

448
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Speaker 1: Constructors Championship again back to back for the first time

449
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Speaker 1: since the early nineties. Depends on whether you want to

450
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Speaker 1: call the four peet eighty eight to ninety one or

451
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Speaker 1: just ninety one big achievement. I think Plando Norris pointed

452
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Speaker 1: out actually even before they'd won it, but it's only

453
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Speaker 1: two years ago, the car was pretty crap and they

454
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Speaker 1: are winning two titles in a row, so that's pretty remarkable.

455
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Speaker 1: But we should talk about the broader championship Pickture, I

456
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Speaker 1: want to mention Max with Staffan briefly here. This was

457
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Speaker 1: going to be a big test of whether or not

458
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Speaker 1: Red Bull Racings recent resurgence was real. Should could have

459
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Speaker 1: maybe depending on your opinion, should have qualified on pole

460
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Speaker 1: and then finished second. The car was pretty hamstrung, so

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Speaker 1: I don't think we've got necessarily a true picture of

462
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Speaker 1: pace but I don't think it's also outlandish to say

463
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Speaker 1: probably the car wasn't as quick as the McLaren and

464
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Speaker 1: the race in general, but this was certainly much better

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Speaker 1: than let's say, what Singapore probably would.

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Speaker 5: Have looked like a month ago before those upgrades arrived.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, absolutely, I mean it's a huge for them,

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Speaker 3: and it was so close to being that much better

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Speaker 3: because hadd he have qualified on pole. I think that

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Speaker 3: means he starts on a different tire because he sort

471
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Speaker 3: of threw the hail weary at the start trying to

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Speaker 3: get off the line and get into turn one ahead

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Speaker 3: of George Russell. Because we know that nothing ever happens

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Speaker 3: in this race after the first lap unless you get

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Speaker 3: a safety car.

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Speaker 2: Everyone finished again, by the way in Singapore, like what

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Speaker 2: are the chances?

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Speaker 3: But yeah, look, I mean, really good weekend for them,

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Speaker 3: given this track has been difficult for Red Bull generally

480
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Speaker 3: and really difficult for for Stappen, particularly for him to

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Speaker 3: have outscored both McLaren's in Singapore, not by lot, but

482
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Speaker 3: he still did. That probably gets their weakest race of

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Speaker 3: the year the rest of the year out of the

484
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Speaker 3: way now. So if you can outscore the two McLaren

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Speaker 3: who you're nominally fighting for a world championship with at

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Speaker 3: your worst circuit in the last seven I still think

487
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Speaker 3: this thing's alive, simply because there's just proof of concept

488
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Speaker 3: that you know, last year we kept saying, oh, Norris's

489
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Speaker 3: X number of points behind the Stapan and the championship

490
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Speaker 3: fight is on. I never really believed it, simply because

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Speaker 3: of the order in which those two drivers were in

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Speaker 3: the championship, had never been in a title fight before.

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Speaker 3: Vastapen knows how to do these things with his eyes closed.

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Speaker 2: At this point.

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Speaker 3: The fact that you've got Verstapan is the hunter rather

496
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Speaker 3: than the huntered now adds another element that last year

497
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Speaker 3: didn't have. And I still think it's a long shot,

498
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Speaker 3: but it's not no shot. And I think the fact

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Speaker 3: they've got Singapore out of the way and there's going

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Speaker 3: to be better races for them ahead. It's a big

501
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Speaker 3: win for red Bull and for Verstappen, even though the

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Speaker 3: points gap over the two McLaren's was pretty minimal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's I think he's really only one

504
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Speaker 1: big result, so a win and a low score from

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Speaker 1: the McLaren drivers, and I guess piastri in particular from

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Speaker 1: really being in well, he's only one big result I

507
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Speaker 1: think from actually being able to close the gap without

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Speaker 1: needing results from other drivers or all other circumstances. So

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Speaker 1: again that would need be one big result. But that

510
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Speaker 1: just shows you how close it is. And like you say,

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Speaker 1: six races and three sprints, there's a lot of.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and seventy four points maximum to go.

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Speaker 1: I just did the maths, Oh, very good, there you go.

514
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Speaker 1: So he only needs about a third of those points.

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Speaker 1: It's not too bad. And George Russell won this Grand

516
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Speaker 1: Prix second win of the season. Enjoyed that he managed

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Speaker 1: to take it was great pole lap, in fact, two

518
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Speaker 1: laps good enough for pole after crashing in F two

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Speaker 1: FB two, So quite the turnaround for him and quite

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Speaker 1: the turn around for Mercedes, which he said this would

521
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Speaker 1: probably be the bottom of list of tracks he thought.

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Speaker 4: He'd win at. And can't explain why he.

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Speaker 3: Won Mercedes twenty twenty five. Everybody they occasionally fast, no

524
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Speaker 3: idea why they are, but yeah we're here. We are

525
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Speaker 3: twenty three minutes into the pot and where Oh by

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Speaker 3: the way, George Russell won really well executed. He's his season.

527
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Speaker 3: It's both it's underrated and properly rated. At the same time.

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Speaker 3: I think he's having an absolutely outstanding season, and I

529
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Speaker 3: do think we should probably be talking about it more

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Speaker 3: because he's been so so good this year. And what's

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Speaker 3: interesting is that because this is now Air quotes his

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Speaker 3: team because Lewis Hamilton is no longer there, he has

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Speaker 3: more than stepped up to the plate in terms of

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Speaker 3: proving that he can lead a team and do all

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Speaker 3: of the right things. He's had a quietly outstanding year

536
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Speaker 3: and I'm kind of glad that he did win another one,

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Speaker 3: because like, if you got to the end of the

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Speaker 3: season and Canada was the only win that he'd had,

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Speaker 3: it would feel a little bit incomplete to some degree.

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Speaker 3: So the fact that he won another race good. The

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Speaker 3: fact that came in Singapore probably a bit of a surprise,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, a nice, happy surprise.

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Speaker 1: I guess let's move on now, I Matt to Move

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Speaker 1: of the Week, brought to you by Shannon's couple of

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Speaker 1: Grand Prix to choose from here, even if one of

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Speaker 1: them featured not much overtaking, where are you going to

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Speaker 1: take us to first?

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Speaker 3: I'm going to the one, go to the one they

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Speaker 3: didn't have much overtaking. Twenty six overtakes, according to the

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Speaker 3: official stats, happened in Singapore.

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Speaker 4: There was one of them, particularly live where I can

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Speaker 4: tell you that much.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you probably don't remember twenty four of them.

554
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Speaker 3: But the other one, not the Norris one, the other

555
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Speaker 3: one that has to be referenced here for thirteenth place

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Speaker 3: on lap thirty seven, Fernando also on Isaac Hadja both

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Speaker 3: you know, the theater of the sort of thrust and

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Speaker 3: parry of the battle and for the Fernando a lot

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Speaker 3: so latest installment in the Quotes Hall of Fame, the

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Speaker 3: trophy for the hero of race, and the quote itself

561
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Speaker 3: was something that only a Lozzo could say and make

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Speaker 3: me a laugh. It was just it was it was unnecessary,

563
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Speaker 3: but it was amusing. At the same time they were

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Speaker 3: fighting like hell for thirteenth place. But I'm going to

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Speaker 3: give bonus points. This is part of the reason I've

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Speaker 3: gone for this is that after the race, when he

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Speaker 3: was being asked about it, Fernando a Lotto was asked that,

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Speaker 3: you know, racing bulls have got seventy two points into

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Speaker 3: constructors this year, four more than Aston Martin and a

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Speaker 3: lots of his quote was they have a very fast car,

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Speaker 3: but they don't have many points, so it's more their

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Speaker 3: problem something it's just something about Fernando just being deliberately

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Speaker 3: mischievous that that's at a point. I mean, look, I'd

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Speaker 3: also like to point out that racing bulls do have

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Speaker 3: a very fast car, but aston do have large strolls,

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Speaker 3: so maybe these things.

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Speaker 2: Sort of balance out.

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Speaker 3: But I did enjoy Fernando a lotso just unnecessarily coming

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Speaker 3: up with a great piece of radio for what was

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Speaker 3: a very nice pass, but one that took far too

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Speaker 3: long in a race where there was precious little else

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Speaker 3: going on on track. But I've probably stolen the only

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Speaker 3: other one other than Norris on Piastri at the first quarter,

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Speaker 3: So I'm wondering where you're going with this.

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Speaker 5: That was a good one.

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Speaker 1: Did enjoy Fernando Alonso, and the timing of that comment

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Speaker 1: just sort of broke up nicely a race that seemed

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Speaker 1: like not much is going on, but there was one

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Speaker 1: thing going on, and this was I highlight. No particular pass,

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Speaker 1: but the general progress made by Carlos Science, who started

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Speaker 1: the race disqualified from qualifying with the technical infringement for

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Speaker 1: both Williams cars not a great look for them and

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Speaker 1: finished tenth, scored a point from eighteenth on the grid,

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Speaker 1: ran really long, hoping for the safety car that never

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Speaker 1: turned up. For the second year in her own mind

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Speaker 1: you something about maybe this new layout not having enough

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Speaker 1: corners to cause problems, and scored one point for Williams.

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Speaker 1: The only year in which and we talked about this

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Speaker 1: after Azebaijahan, he hasn't had great results on the Sunday,

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Speaker 1: probably not reflective of his ultimate pace. This was another

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Speaker 1: well executed race for him, with much less on the

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Speaker 1: line and many fewer points on the table. Just really

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Speaker 1: well done for him. His face is actually pretty good

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Speaker 1: on quite old medium tires in that first long stint

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Speaker 1: and that's what made it, you know, by stopping really late,

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Speaker 1: managed to scrounge a point coming home in tenth and

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Speaker 1: a great result from him.

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Speaker 3: Were a race where there's no in Singapore, where there's

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Speaker 3: no safety cars and no retirements, and you start that

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Speaker 3: far back and you end up in the points you will.

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Speaker 2: I doubt that he.

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Speaker 3: Would have sweated more or exerted more energy to call

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Speaker 3: one point in his entire Formula One career, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: hugely satisfying from where he started, and well, not quite

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Speaker 3: the highest of Azerbaijar, but still probably pretty satisfying. He's

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Speaker 3: just the consuma's professional with a job sheet like that

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Speaker 3: one is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the sweatiest point. I like that as a good

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Speaker 1: summary of where he was at. Let's move on to

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Speaker 1: other matters away from Formula one because we're approaching quite

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Speaker 1: an exciting time on the domestic motorsport calendar between the

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Speaker 1: Baptist one thousand this weekend and on the following weekend

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Speaker 1: the Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix down at Phillip Island, where

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Speaker 1: motor GP comes to us in the ultimate time zone,

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Speaker 1: the best time zone there is our time zone. Unless

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Speaker 1: you're in w A and you don't have data saving time.

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Speaker 5: Then you'll figure it out.

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Speaker 1: So in this edition of Expert versus Interested, Matt, I'm

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Speaker 1: very interested in what happened in the past week though,

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Speaker 1: to set us up with Phillip Island, which was the

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Speaker 1: Grand Prix in Indonesia. Quite the wacky weekend and in

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Speaker 1: what is always a good thing for all motorsport categories,

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Speaker 1: it is what makes motorsport, I think, a new winner

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Speaker 1: in Motorcycle Grand Prix racing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a first time race winner in Ducati rookie Fermin Aldegaer,

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Speaker 3: and I think their most amazing part about this is

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Speaker 3: that it's the first time we've had a rookie winner

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Speaker 3: for four years in s Juje Martin won in Austria

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one. Aldegaer is twenty years and one

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty three days old he was when he

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Speaker 3: won the race on Sunday, the second youngest winner in

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Speaker 3: Motor GP history, is about three to four months older

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Speaker 3: than Mark Marquez was when Mark won in the Grand

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Speaker 3: Prix of the Americas in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: It's one thing.

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Speaker 3: To put yourself ahead of guys like Freddie Spencer and

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Speaker 3: Valentino Rossi and Juhala Renzo on an all time list,

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Speaker 3: but it was more the way that he won it.

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Speaker 3: He absolutely annihilated everybody at Mandalika on Sunday, and I

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Speaker 3: mentioned to you off air that this would be equivalent

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Speaker 3: to Kimmi Antonelli turning up at the next race and

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Speaker 3: slaughtering everybody by his the executive and making them look

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Speaker 3: like they were driving Formula two cars. He was unbelievable

654
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 3: how they get and it was one of those races

655
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: where it was at the same time. It was a

656
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: complete shock but predictable at the same time. And without

657
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: getting mega technical here and maybe I'll teach you something

658
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: here we're going through this. There is Michelin bring a

659
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: very specific rear tire for Indonesia and also Thailand because

660
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: of how hot it is and how hot the track is.

661
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 3: The track temp at Race Star My God's Sunday in

662
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 3: Indonesia was sixty degrees and so absolutely melting the rubber.

663
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Speaker 3: So they bring this special reinforce rear carcass. It's got

664
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Speaker 3: a stiffer construction. So when you're riding a motor GP

665
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: bike with a tie a rear tire that's that much stiffer,

666
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: It squishes less. It doesn't offer the same performance under

667
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: breaking it in the traction zones. And we know how

668
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: motor GP bikes are ridden these days. It's all about

669
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 3: getting the bike stopped, dropping the bike, riding out of

670
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: the next corner. And aldegaerrez in experience with motor GP

671
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: was actually a bit of a benefit here because he

672
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: still rides like a motor II rider. He's still all

673
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: about massive corner speed, probably not great in the heavy

674
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 3: breaking in the hard accelerations, but his whole style is

675
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: corner speed. You've got a track that's got a lot

676
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 3: of very fast corners and an absolutely baking hot track service.

677
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: You combine all of those things. His pace through the

678
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 3: high speed sections of the lap there at Mandlika was

679
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 3: just absolutely crazy. And to show you how fast he was,

680
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: he got to the lead on lap seven and then

681
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: he did nine consecutive laps in the one minute thirty bracket.

682
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: For the rest of the race, every other rider combined

683
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: did three of those laps in the one thirty Wow,

684
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Speaker 3: So he basically built a nine second lead in no

685
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Speaker 3: time whatsoever. That nine seconds covered everybody from Pedro Costa,

686
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 3: who was second for most of the race, back to

687
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 3: about twelve. So he was just in this complete category

688
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: of one. And you're looking at this as like, this

689
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: is a twenty year old kid who never ridden a

690
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: motogpi like around this circuit. He's doing something that you

691
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: would expect somewhat of massive experience to be able to do.

692
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: But conversely, it was the fact that he doesn't have

693
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 3: the motor GP experience. He still rides a motor GP

694
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 3: like a little bit like a Moto two bike, concentrates

695
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 3: on corner speed and this stiffer rear tire. The reason

696
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 3: maybe we saw this coming. The last time Michelin bought

697
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: a stiffer than usual reartire to a Grand Prix was

698
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: Austria back in about what that was around twelve or so.

699
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: It can get warm there. But as you know from

700
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 3: the Formula one side of things, the Red Bull Rings

701
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: such a specific layout because it's long, straight, hardbreaking square corner,

702
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: long straight, hardbreaking square corner, so again not a circuit

703
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: where you're looking at so much that the traction zones.

704
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 3: He's able to preserve his rubber because of the way

705
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: he rides like a Moto two rider. And in the

706
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: back end of that race he hunted down and passed

707
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: Marco Bozeki for second and was just tearing chunks out

708
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: of Mark Marquez in the last three laps of that race.

709
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 3: If that race had gone for one lap longer back

710
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: at Red Bull Ring, he would have won that because

711
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: he literally had the rear tire.

712
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: Of anybody else.

713
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: So when you saw that Micheline were bringing this reartire

714
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 3: to Coke with the heat in Indonesia, thought all right,

715
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: this might be something that favors him. But for him

716
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: to go and do what he did on Sunday, and

717
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: to put your name in that sort of company as

718
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: the second youngest race winner of all time. It was

719
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: absolutely astonishing. But a little side note for you that

720
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed. He probably should have won the sprint

721
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: race on Saturday. Bozeki had made a mess of the start,

722
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: and Aldegaerre spent the first twelve and a half laps

723
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Speaker 3: of the thirteen laps in the lead and was overtaken

724
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Speaker 3: by Marco Bozeki on the last lap. And he said

725
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: afterwards he kept looking at his pit board and saw

726
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: that it was Berzeki behind him and the gap was

727
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: coming down. Bizeki had been on Poli, made a mess

728
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: of the start. He was clearly the faster rider. He

729
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: asked the team for Sunday's race, I want you to

730
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: put what position I'm in on the pit board. I

731
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: want you to put the margin that I'm ahead of

732
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: the next person, But I don't want you to tell

733
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: me who it is, because he had a visit that

734
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: he'd made some mistakes on the Saturday in the sprint

735
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: because he knew that it was Berzeki and he knew

736
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: Bozeki was closing, so he was blisful out ofware that

737
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: Berzeki had crashed out on the first lap of the

738
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Speaker 3: race and he was just barely along, just setting all

739
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: these crazy one minute thirty lap times, not knowing who

740
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 3: it was behind him, and just waiting for Berzeki to

741
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: turn up.

742
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Speaker 2: And as he said after the race, he don't arrive.

743
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 3: He never featured because he was in the gravel and

744
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: Ferminald again made everybody look absolutely ridiculous in his seventeenth

745
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 3: Grand Prix start. It was a pretty wild story for

746
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 3: a guy who'd never won a motor GP race before.

747
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: Yes, a great way to claim your first win in

748
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: quite wacky circums. Was a memorable first win and people

749
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: would be forgetting that one in the history of his career.

750
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: Speaking of people who don't arrive, Mark Marquez will not

751
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: arrive at Phillip Island. No Juge Martin, probably no Maverick Benalez. Anyway,

752
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: you'll be there though, which is good news for anyone

753
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: looking for a last minute wild card.

754
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 4: We'll be there.

755
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: Philip Island punters that the reigning world champion and the

756
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: new world champion. Can you still call him reiinning world

757
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: champion after the title has been one? It's up to

758
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: you will not be there.

759
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Marquez one, what to talk about? You here

760
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 3: at zero in seven days? You know, a week before

761
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: he won his seventh world title in Japan, and he'd

762
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 3: had this long run back from all these injuries that

763
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 3: we talked about on the previous episode. And then seven

764
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: days later, so he's got a right shoulder fracture. So

765
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 3: he's going to miss Australia and Malaysia. No surgery, which

766
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: I think is really important given he's had so many

767
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: surgeries on that right arm. But just one of those

768
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 3: was incredibly unfortunate in that he was in the firing

769
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 3: line after Bozeki had made this really poor start in

770
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 3: the Grand Prix Pozeki was so much fast and literally

771
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 3: ran straight into the back of Marquez and as Mark

772
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,959
Speaker 3: slid along with the tarmac and then towards the gravel trap.

773
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: It was one of those ones he probably could have

774
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: got away with, but there was a lip in the

775
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: gravel trap that effectively flipped Mark over and then of

776
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: course the first part of him that hit the ground

777
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 3: after he was tumbling, he landed directly on the point

778
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: of that right shoulder. And so look, the fact there's

779
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: no surgery is a good thing. If we had a

780
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 3: live World Championship, would he try and get back for

781
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 3: Philip Island, a circuit where we know he's incredibly good

782
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: and would go in the favorite anyway, I think the

783
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: fact the championship's done, and the fact that it's the

784
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 3: right side of his body that's been battered and stable

785
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 3: together so many times over the years makes it a

786
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: pretty easy decision to sit out these last two fireways.

787
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: But a great shame for the Australian GP because watching

788
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 3: market an anti clockwise track on a World Championship winning

789
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 3: bike is always quite fub We've seen it many times before,

790
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 3: but sadly not next weekend.

791
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: Yes, a pity impact that he could get a fifth

792
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: surgery on that right arm, because I think his next

793
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: one would have been free after that, So unfortunately here.

794
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, while we're doing interested versus expert, though you mentioned

795
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 3: we've got this pretty massive fortnite coming up on the

796
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 3: domestic Australian Motorsport calendar the weekend before the Australian Motorcycle GP.

797
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: Of the course is Bathist this weekend and I'm going

798
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 3: to take the role of interested now and you can

799
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 3: put your expert hat on but two things for me.

800
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 3: We've got berths for the finals on the line here obviously,

801
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 3: but who's looking good here? Because you know we had

802
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 3: the bad and a few weeks back Brodiekstecki won that.

803
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: The Bend's never been part of the endurance season season

804
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 3: of endurance, however, we're framing it before. So I'm wondering

805
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: if that particular event and the form of that event,

806
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: the form line out of that event, is that particularly

807
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 3: relevant for Bathists or should we not really consider it

808
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 3: given it's the first time we've seen it, Because I

809
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 3: wouldn't imagine that Brodi Kisteki would be the favorite going in,

810
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: would he.

811
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Speaker 1: Well, so this is the interesting thing, isn't it. You're

812
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: right the bend is not the traditional I suppose endurance

813
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: round open. It's never been that role. And the bend

814
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: is a real outlier on the supercars calendar. We have

815
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: a couple of them. Bathist itself, in fact an outlier

816
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: compared to most of the rest of the tracks, and

817
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: I guess Albert Park would be your other unusual track.

818
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: Long tracks, quite high corner speeds, flowing circuits, that kind

819
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: of thing is not really characteristic of most of the

820
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: rest of the calendar, so there is that element of it.

821
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: But I'm I actually asked Brodie this couple of weeks ago,

822
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: and I think he disagreed with me, but I'm adamant nonetheless,

823
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: but I think you can peek at the right time.

824
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: He said, well, you can't do it in the finals, Zne.

825
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: You've got to be good all the time. And look

826
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: at brock Feeni. I guess he's in that sense. But

827
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: it seems to me you got to remember the context

828
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: of Brodie Casteki season and he switched teams this year.

829
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: He's turned up the DJR, which is a team that's

830
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: been a little bit in the doldrums, considering it's a

831
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: lustrous history and it's outgoing status as the Molligation did before.

832
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: And it feels like they've been you know, they've occasionally clicked,

833
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: but in the last month maybe feels like that upward

834
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: trajectory is really getting there. One in Townsville first victory there,

835
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: that was two rounds of awo I think for the

836
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: bend and then came out in the bend and okay,

837
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: it required a little bit of misfortune from Brockveeni's garage

838
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: with the refueling problem there that knocked him out, but

839
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: was very good with a combination with Todd Hazelwood, which

840
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: is a successful combination. So the chance at Bathist is

841
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: they go back to back, but not just in the

842
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: Durance rounds, but back to back at Bathists as well.

843
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: So we shouldn't forget that he is the reigning winner. Yes,

844
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: with a different team, but I'm convinced about the context

845
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: of that team change when you get to Bathist, because

846
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: last year Erebus was kind of a little bit nowhere

847
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: as well.

848
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 4: It was really Brodie.

849
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: He was punching in these big results in a in

850
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: a or a team that wasn't really at the level

851
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: of his championship winning season the year before. So I

852
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: think that that combination goes in as at least on paper,

853
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: the one to beat. But really for me it's brock

854
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: Phoeni that remains the favorite year because he's been in

855
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: such good form. His form did not stop at the Bend,

856
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: despite the refueling problem, despite his co driver. Have you

857
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: heard him Jammuoncup who crashed into sister car, didn't he?

858
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: I think it was Scott find the car during practice,

859
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: So he had quite a scrappy weekend overall. But for me,

860
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: that remains the combination. You know, they love to say

861
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 1: things like you know, the mountain chooses the winner.

862
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 5: Whatever.

863
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: Well, mountain for a long time has been choosing not

864
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: to give brock Fini the win. It feels a bit

865
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: like I don't want to say's due for it, because

866
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: I also feel like that'll jinx the whole thing, and

867
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: with my fault, but he's been close, he's had paced here,

868
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: he's been here several years now. Versus a co driver,

869
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: obviously seen that as a full time driver, he's really

870
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: fast here. I think, considering the form he does carry

871
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: into this weekend, it's hard not to call him the favorite.

872
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: But given Bathist is such an unusual race, and like

873
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: we've said, Brodie Castek's there, I think Matt Pain also

874
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: can't be discounted. That combination with Garth Tander. I think

875
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: it was really quick last year, but is that bit

876
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: more mature now, and so is Matt Pain is third

877
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: or fourth year in the sport. I think they've got

878
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: to be considered. Will Brown we haven't mentioned weirdly enough

879
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: as that the reigning champion, he's got to be in

880
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: that mix. But for me, it's Brody versus Brock I

881
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: like that that's almost emerging as a little bit of

882
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: a Bathist specific rivalry, and maybe that's going to be

883
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: the next chapter here.

884
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: Sounds like a good hashtag.

885
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 3: The only guarantee for Bathist is that we know that

886
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 3: it will be referred to as the grand Final of

887
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 3: our sport multiple times across the weekend, which always slightly

888
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: confuses me because normally the grand Final should be the

889
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: last round of anything, and it's not. So That's why

890
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,959
Speaker 3: just the no inflatter of that gets me a little

891
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 3: bit confused. But I will say, as someone who is

892
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 3: a more interested than expert in the supercar space, it's

893
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 3: the best day of the year in a supercar space

894
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 3: is the shootout at Bathist.

895
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: I absolutely love it.

896
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 3: Whenever I think of one shot qualifying that I'd love

897
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 3: to see in certain F one races, the thing I

898
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 3: always think about is to shoot out with Bathists. It's

899
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 3: the best what forty five minutes of TV probably in

900
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: any qualifying in any motorsport discipline all year, because of

901
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 3: the danger and the peril and the history, and I

902
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 3: mean the track in and of itself is fantastic. It's

903
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: fantastic TV, and it is the template for other motorsports

904
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: series to follow if they'd like to change up their

905
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 3: qualifying for Formula One, we are speaking to.

906
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: You, Yes, absolutely right. Well, I don't know will it

907
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: be referred to the Grand Fight. We've actually got a

908
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: real Grand final this year, so anyone who's referring it

909
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: historically to as the Grand Final. But I'm even more

910
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: confusing this year because there's a literal one in Adelaide.

911
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: And that's the other element of Bathists that I want

912
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: to talk about, because for me, there's sort of two

913
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: bathists happening this weekend. There's the one for the victory

914
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: of the Bathist one thousand's usually pretty big deal, and

915
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: the other one is the drivers who needed a birth

916
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: in the finals. Because we're now this is the last

917
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: race of the I guess we call it the regular

918
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: season now like other sports too, I haven't come up

919
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: with that.

920
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: How many grand finals can we have in one sport?

921
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: You'd be surprised, because there are three races at the

922
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: Grand Vile in Adelaide, So make of that what you will.

923
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: But this is the last chance, the last chance to

924
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: get into the top ten. Is this weekend the last

925
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: chance to make them the finals. We've been talking about

926
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 1: this periodically over the year of who's in and who's

927
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: out seventh, eighth, ninth and tenth Antony DiPasquale, Ryan Wood,

928
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,959
Speaker 1: Thomas Randall and Kay Allen. They're separated by one hundred

929
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: and seventy three points in total one hundred and seventy

930
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: three points, but deep Asquale is in my opinion pretty safe. Admittedly,

931
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: anything can happen at bathist Is one big points paying race,

932
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: so you can get big swings in a way you

933
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't have a normal round. And then all under one

934
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: hundred points out andre Heimgartner, Nick Perkat and Cam Hill

935
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: and then Jack of the Box one hundred and seventy

936
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: points out for Airbra So for me that would also

937
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: require a pretty wacky big result. Don't rule it out

938
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: obviously against Bathis, but there your contenders. I think it's Randall, Allen, Himgartner,

939
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: Perkat and Hill. They're all all between them. What's that

940
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: that's one hundred and thirty two points all separating just them,

941
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: So there's enough scope there for some movement. And Alan

942
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 1: obviously is the one most on the bubble in tenth

943
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: place to be remarkable if he made it considering the

944
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: late charges had as a rookie. There's a little bit

945
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: of a twist here as well, though, don't forget because

946
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: if you win the Enduro Cup, you also get in automatically.

947
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: There are only two drivers in i say, the Enduring

948
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: Cup rankings. It's just what the results are at the bend.

949
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: There are only two races in the Insura Cup. Obviously

950
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: it's led by Brodick is sick. He therefore, but there

951
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: are two drivers in that top ten of the Enjura

952
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: Cup who are not in the top ten of the championship,

953
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: and they are Nick Perkat on two hundred and fifteen points,

954
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: so it's that seventy five points out. And then also

955
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: Cooper Murray of course, who had that weekend or that

956
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: season best result weekend, and he's seventh one hundred and

957
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: eighty two points. So they and it's interesting because Perkat

958
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: can make it into the ten on pure points alone.

959
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: As we sort of said, Murray card is mathematically out

960
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: of contention for the ten, but not out of contention

961
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: to win the Endura Cup. Now that would be a

962
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: spectacular result for the rookie, but it could happen. Who's

963
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: to say it's not going to happen. So there's this

964
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: parallel race happening at Bath where a bunch of these drivers.

965
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: Of course, everyone ons to out there and win, and

966
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: some of these drivers are sort of victory contention drivers,

967
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: let's call them. But really they need to be keeping

968
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: an eye on their points tally's relative to those other

969
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: rivals around ten because if they don't, the season effectively

970
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: kind of stops this weekend. Otherwise they can raise on.

971
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: We've got multiple grand finals, multiple races, multiple bubbles. I'm enjoying.

972
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 3: I'm enjoying all of it. But yeah, look, I think

973
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: them the myriad elements, and I like the way because

974
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 3: it's such a long race obviously in terms of duration,

975
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: the narratives of these will twist and turn throughout the coverage.

976
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: I think that makes it really interesting for a you know,

977
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: you're watching three things simultaneously here, right, So yeah, bring

978
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: it on.

979
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be super interesting.

980
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's just another element to keep bathist

981
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: going because sometimes it is just a bit of a

982
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: six hour sprit race, but this makes them a little

983
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: bit more intriguing. Before we wrap up, though, let's go

984
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: to the crystal ball brought to you by complete home filtration.

985
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 5: As we said, pretty big.

986
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks of motorsport, both domestically and overseas

987
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: between baths this weekend, the Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix and

988
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: then of course the US Mexico back to back in

989
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: Formula one.

990
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 3: What are you predicting the insomnia back to back? Looking

991
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: forward to that, We're quite good for us. There's more Brazil.

992
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 3: That's the complete our day. Let's not talk about Brazil.

993
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 3: But I'm going to go two wheels here for the

994
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix, not this coming weekend, the following weekend.

995
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: So my crystal ball, well this is the facts are

996
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: telling me one thing which leads into my crystal ball prediction.

997
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 3: Did you know that we've had at least one Marques

998
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 3: on every single Grand Prix podium this year, every single one,

999
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 3: at least one Marquees. So the crystal ball is telling

1000
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 3: me we're not going to have any marques Is on

1001
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 3: the podium in Australia for the Grand Prix because well A,

1002
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 3: the one who's most likely to be there is not

1003
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: going to be there. At Mark Marquez. Alex Marquez has

1004
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: never finished better than ninth in a Motor GP race

1005
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 3: Solo Island. So look, don't ask me who's going to

1006
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 3: be who is going to win there, because we've got

1007
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: Mark Marquez and Martine and probably Vinalez and probably some

1008
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 3: others are not going to be there. But I think

1009
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: we're going to have our first Marques LUs grandp repodium

1010
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: of the season at Phillip Island.

1011
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: That's what the crystal ball is telling me.

1012
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, a little bit of vibe check in a

1013
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 3: little bit of fact there. But what's your crystal ball

1014
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: telling you? And I'm suggesting probably two more wheels than

1015
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: mine does.

1016
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 5: There's a lot of pressure on Alex Markez.

1017
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 4: To uphold the family name, family honor. Very good.

1018
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: I like it well in the spirit of ferm and

1019
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: aldigare sort of winning for the first time.

1020
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 5: It's very ten years. I think actually probably didn't need it.

1021
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: I'm predicting you a new winner in Bathist because new

1022
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: Wind is great. I think new Wind is what makes

1023
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: my sport. I said this was going to be between

1024
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: Brock Feenie and Brodie Costeki. I'm going to pick Matt

1025
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: Payne to win this one with Garth Tander. Like I said,

1026
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: I've already sort of alluded to it. I think this

1027
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: combination hasn't be obviously last year the result wasn't there,

1028
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: but the pace is there. Garthtander's obviously already a Batist winner,

1029
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: So I guess that's sort of why did I intro

1030
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: it in that way.

1031
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 5: Matt Payne hasn't want to know. That's why as the

1032
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 5: full time driver here.

1033
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 4: The form is good.

1034
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: The form is good also going into this weekend more importantly,

1035
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: not just sort of the vibe of speed, but Paine's

1036
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: been in great form this year. He's second in the championship.

1037
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: Can actually because Feeni had such a rough time in

1038
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: the band could if results really when he's way finished

1039
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: top of the championship, which earns him a couple of

1040
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: bonus points or extra points relative to second in the

1041
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: finals campaign, So a bit to playful still for him

1042
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: in that sense, I think he could be the winner

1043
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 1: this weekend.

1044
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 3: Well, let's let me introduce a supplementary third crystal ball

1045
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 3: in here. My third crystal ball thinks that both of

1046
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 3: our crystal balls are actually going to come true, and

1047
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: that would be the first to all season that's actually

1048
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 3: probably happened.

1049
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 4: So I like the.

1050
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: Chances of both of those crystal ball and if neither

1051
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 3: of them come off, then you never actually listen to

1052
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 3: the last thirty seconds of this podcast.

1053
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: Yes, oh wow, that would be truly unprecedented, isn't that remarkable?

1054
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: And on that note, before we have time to say

1055
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: anything else that's going to be wrong, that's all the

1056
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: time we have for pit Talk today. You can subscribe

1057
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,520
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1058
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,360
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1059
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 4: This weekend it is the Bathist one thousand.

1060
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,280
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1061
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,200
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1062
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,759
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1063
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,040
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1064
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: you can keep up todate with the latestef one MOTOGPN

1065
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 1: Supercars news at foxsports dot com dot Au from Matt

1066
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: Peyton and me Michael Lomonato. Thanks very much for your company.

1067
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: We'll catch you next week.