1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Fitzi and Whipper podcast. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 2: This is great because on Stan you can now get 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 2: every episode of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. It 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: is streaming now only on Stan. And who is the 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: sick man behind these show? 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: I know? 7 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: His name is Vince Gilligan and he joins us now. Vince, 8 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Fitzy and Whipper Show. 9 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 3: Hey guys, how are you doing? 10 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: Thank you for finding the time, buddy. It's an honor 11 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: to have you on the show because we we're obviously 12 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: huge fans of your work. But when you look at 13 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: a character like Walter White from Breaking Bad, how long 14 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: had that been in your mind to create such a 15 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: sick and complex character? 16 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 3: You know, it was gosh, well, the show we started 17 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 3: shooting the show in two thousand and seven. I came 18 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 3: up with it about two thousand and four, and you know, 19 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 3: it just it hadn't been percolating for too long. But 20 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 3: I think I was getting close to turning forty, and 21 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: I think suddenly the idea of a midlife crisis was 22 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 3: looming large in my brain. So that's probably where it 23 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 3: came from. But it, you know, the guy, the idea 24 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 3: of a guy having the world's worst midlife crisis, which 25 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 3: in fact a kind of an end of life crisis 26 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 3: because he finds out he's dying in the first episode. 27 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: Did you think that you're pushing the envelope too far? Vince? 28 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 2: Did you think that? And the question I want to 29 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: ask you, did you expect the following that it was 30 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: going to get at all? 31 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 3: Oh? God, no, never, I didn't think it was going 32 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 3: to get on the air. I mean it was, like 33 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 3: you said, it was a kind of a crazy idea. 34 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 3: It is a crazy idea, and everybody said no to it. 35 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 3: Everybody we pitched it to you except for the AMC 36 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 3: network here in the States. They said yes, and I 37 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 3: guess they didn't think it went too far, but luckily 38 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 3: they were into it. 39 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: What was the moment, Vince, when you started going, Oh 40 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: my god, this is kicking off, like everyone is starting 41 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: to really enjoy this. It's going viral around the world. 42 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: Was there a moment that you saw it somewhere, Vince, 43 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: or someone told you, oh my gosh, this is massive 44 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: in Columbia or it's just going crazy. Was there a 45 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: moment like that. 46 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: I think we knew it was massive in Colombia when 47 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 3: the Colombians made their own reboot it. There was no 48 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: There was this funny mention because they did. There was 49 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 3: a show called and I'm going to mispronounce it, but 50 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 3: it was Metastasis, Uh like what the English were miss 51 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 3: metastass metastas. But it was basically they recast they got 52 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 3: permission to do it. They they they reached out to 53 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 3: Sony and they said, can we do a reboot because 54 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 3: we think it could be we could get even more 55 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 3: viewers if it had Colombian actors in it. It wasn't Michael, 56 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: So yeah, that was That was when I knew it 57 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: was big in Colombia. That was a little while later. 58 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: But with I always signing the drug drone, we're going 59 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: to show you had to build probably shot. 60 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 3: I never heard that. There was a very nice people. 61 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: I don't I don't know. 62 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: Do you know what I find fascinating though, is you've 63 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: got this character, you've got the show, and you've you know, 64 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: a script in an outline for a series, and then 65 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: you showcase it and nine out of ten people say no. 66 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: Why were they saying no? Did they not understand the character? 67 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: Or why were you getting knockbacks? You know? 68 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: That's I'd love to say, Oh, it's because we had 69 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: some great idea and the man was out to get us. 70 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: And what you know, there's the truth is in Hollywood, 71 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 3: you get you get told no way more than you 72 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: get told yes. It's just it's just the way of 73 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: the business. And it's not any anything evil or anyone 74 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: out to gets you. It's just it's just nobody in 75 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 3: this business gets gets fired for saying no. They only 76 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 3: get fired Yes, I'm saying yes to something that turns 77 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: out to be a bomb, And especially when you know 78 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: it's a story that that seems like, wow, this is 79 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: really out there. You're not You're not going to lose 80 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: your job for saying no to breaking bad. You're only 81 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: going to lose it for a yes to a real 82 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 3: what turns out to be a real turkey. 83 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: We heard a whisper at World of White's coming back 84 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: for super Bowl. If you heard about this, Brian Cranston 85 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: is reviving the role for a Super Bowl. Do you 86 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: know that, Vince, I. 87 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 3: Do, because I directed it. I had a lot of 88 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: we had a lot of fun Maker. We shot it 89 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 3: mid December, just a couple weeks back, and we had 90 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 3: a good. 91 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: Talk companies at Company was it h It is uh. 92 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 3: It is the Pepsi co which on set Ola and 93 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 3: it is a snack chip that they that they make 94 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: that uh is called pop corners and it's like a 95 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: baked popcorn tape chip chip. It looks like a Doto. 96 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 2: How hard were you allowed to go, Vince in an act? Well? 97 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: You as hard as you go in the TV series. 98 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: Well, I wanted. I wanted so much. I wanted desperately 99 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 3: for Jesse Pinkman to be able to say, yeah, pop corners, bitch. 100 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: But so they these chips on made in with a 101 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: whole lot of acid. 102 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 2: Yeah they didn't. 103 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't go for that. 104 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 2: That brilliant mate, What a mine that you have. Congratulations 105 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: on all your success and I mean in Australia. Now 106 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: if you want to go watch Breaking Bad Ambtter Carsal 107 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 2: and they're streaming every episode only on stand. We appreciate 108 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: your time, Vince, Thank you very much for coming on 109 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 2: the show. 110 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: Great talking to you guys, and hello to Australia. I 111 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 3: love Sydney, I love Melbourne. I know Sidney and Melbourne 112 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: don't like each other, but I've been to both. You 113 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 3: got you guys, got a great country. 114 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: And uh, congratulations, Thanks Legend, thank you, Buddy. 115 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: Thank you. You're listening to the Fits and whipp A podcast.