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Speaker 1: The world isn't a scary place when I'm with my brother.

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Speaker 1: When I'm with my bro it's a happy place. It's

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Speaker 1: a funny place, it's a warm place. It's loving.

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Speaker 2: Hi, and welcome to separate bathrooms. We would like to

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Speaker 2: acknowledge the.

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Speaker 3: Gadigal people of the e Or nation, the traditional custodians

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Speaker 2: And pay our respects to the elders both past and present. Hello,

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Speaker 2: my name's Cam Daddo. It's a different chat today. You

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Speaker 2: just got me. OL's not feeling well. She's got a

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Speaker 2: hall pass. He's in bed. So anyway, we'll dive into this.

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Speaker 2: It's already a different version of separate bathrooms today, so

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Speaker 2: let's lean into more of a a men's locker room

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Speaker 2: type version.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Got a couple of fellows who I'd pick on my

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Speaker 3: team on any given Saturday. Shane Jacobson and his brother

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Speaker 3: Clayton are outside. They're ready to clean up.

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Speaker 2: Brothers. I've got three. I love my brothers.

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Speaker 3: When friends weren't about, we leaned on each other for entertainment,

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Speaker 3: got up to a lot of mischief.

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Speaker 2: There was fire, sports and a little bit of streaking.

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Speaker 3: Clinton closely at Eliza got a feeling that these two

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Speaker 3: will be no difference for many. Shane burst under the

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Speaker 3: scene as Kenny smythe and the Iconic or as the

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Speaker 3: Iconic Duneyman and the hilarious feature Kenny.

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Speaker 2: It's been bringing his authentic.

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Speaker 3: Style of well acting everything to stage TV and hijacking

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Speaker 3: every ida in the country.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Clayton was the bro behind the camera, writing, producing, editing

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Speaker 2: and directing Kenny and a whole bunch more. There's a whole.

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Speaker 3: Lot more to their story. What a perfect place to

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Speaker 3: hear it in the bathroom. Welcome Shane and Clayton Jacobson.

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Speaker 2: Hey mate, you're going very well. No strangers to the

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Speaker 2: Duney you too, No, and.

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Speaker 1: This is the most crowded you've ever had it in

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Speaker 1: this bathroom, isn't it. We take up quite a bit

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Speaker 3: We've never had three blokes in here. I hope it

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Speaker 3: smells a little better than the ones we were introduced to.

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Speaker 2: You too, and canny.

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Speaker 3: Most would who came up with the line this has

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Speaker 1: Religion, the last religion, that one religion, that one was

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Speaker 1: mine based on I think I can confess this. I

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Speaker 1: don't want him to know. He created something that went

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Speaker 1: He turned up later again to a job that I

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Speaker 1: and he said, you really don't like that guy, do you?

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Speaker 1: And I said at the time, I said, I have

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Speaker 1: And and my mate laughed for many, many, many minutes.

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Speaker 1: And so after that close said we need something here,

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Speaker 3: Look take us through the early years. Where did you

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Speaker 1: Well, it was we grew up in Avondale Heights, sort

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Speaker 1: You know, all the teenagers were you know, all the

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Speaker 4: The fish and chip shop for all of our youth.

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Speaker 1: The only thing one day they swapped the Chico roll

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Speaker 1: They were you know, my voice broke in that fish

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Speaker 1: We probably was five says a chip, two potato cakes

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Speaker 5: So you know it's there.

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Speaker 1: You know, you don't know where wisdoms.

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Speaker 2: It's these little things, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: We grew up in Madalaiza where Mick malloy and the

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Speaker 3: James Rain and David Rain and all sorts of I

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Speaker 1: It was a fascinating area to grow up because the

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of a lot of interesting history

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Speaker 1: just on those little outskirt sort of buffers of the city,

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Speaker 1: you know, and our mother could see across the river

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Speaker 2: Is that incredible? So it was just you two.

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Speaker 1: Based on the fact that my mother was was and

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Speaker 5: And it was my Nan that kind of made me realize.

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Speaker 1: I was very I was about seven, and I was

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Speaker 1: she led him and she said, that's that's bloody good

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Speaker 1: bloody good. That look what he's doing. He's bloody good.

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Speaker 1: That you could make a living out of that when

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Speaker 1: that's bloody good. He's bloody good at that. And I thought, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: I had an aunt who had a whiskery, whiskery top

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Speaker 2: And it was no, Maggie, no, no, mom no.

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Speaker 1: It is funny, funny, isn't it how we all have

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Speaker 3: You know, were you were you guys close growing up?

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Speaker 1: He's nodding his head no, which is really disupport I

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Speaker 1: was about to say yes, but clearly in one way. Well,

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Speaker 1: of he was that kid that was sort of yapping

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Speaker 1: I wasn't particularly good at fostering being a great brother.

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Speaker 1: And what I love now, of course, is everyone assumes

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Speaker 4: That, but I do.

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Speaker 1: We get asked a lot who's oldest, which does my

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Speaker 4: Is an eternity that's a long way away. So now

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Speaker 4: when they go who's older, it kills me.

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Speaker 1: But I will get the ultimate laugh because on averages,

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Speaker 1: roughly this should work out. He'll die probably seven years

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Speaker 1: I kind of get it better because he had seven

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Speaker 1: didn't know I was coming. But I will know what

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Speaker 1: it's like to be without.

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Speaker 2: Him, Right, that's the perspective.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, Yeah, when you you'll have

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Speaker 3: your adult perspective, of going. She life's great for seven

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Speaker 5: What about you can? What about what's the difference between

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're pretty close.

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Speaker 3: Mum had five kids before she was thirty, starting at

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Speaker 3: it's me, and then Jamie and Andrew are identical twins. They

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Speaker 3: and then Lockie was born another three years after that,

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Speaker 1: Possibly, I shame would have to answer whether it had

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Speaker 1: They said they're going to kill us. And they went

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Speaker 1: No, Clay was already making doing film clips for just

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Speaker 5: House on fire with fireworks.

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Speaker 1: I also tried to throw a penny banger once and

443
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,679
Speaker 1: put rick back went to throw it and blew up

444
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,200
Speaker 1: my ear, so I only had I only have sort

445
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,440
Speaker 1: of hearing in there. But no, it was Shane did

446
00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,040
Speaker 1: the fireworks and I was doing more music videos.

447
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:50,960
Speaker 2: Did you hire your brother to do the fire the

448
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,200
Speaker 2: pyro in the video? Is that.

449
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 5: Now?

450
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 1: But Cloud, I'd like to quickly to explain the well

451
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,959
Speaker 1: abed I explained it for you in case you've forgotten

452
00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,800
Speaker 1: how you explained when that up and Wayne?

453
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,640
Speaker 4: It was Wayne's family, wasn't that came home?

454
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,400
Speaker 2: This is why you told Yeah, I love.

455
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 4: Let's put his name in it.

456
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 1: Wye you you told our family and his family. I

457
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 1: think the kids came over and were and you were terrified.

458
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,199
Speaker 1: And that's when we had one minute to come up

459
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 1: with a story. Because we worked out that his bedroom

460
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,159
Speaker 1: window was open and as the trees all sort of

461
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 1: went in golf, I could see the flames licking into

462
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 1: his bedrooms. So when you were in trouble, his neighbor

463
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 1: came out and saw it, and we ran around the

464
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,679
Speaker 1: corner to get a hose, and it was as we

465
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 1: were fitting the hose, I said, right, they're going to

466
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:38,520
Speaker 1: want to know what happened. This is what happened. We

467
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 1: were walking down the street. There were kids playing fireworks.

468
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 1: They were doing it exactly what we were doing in

469
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,639
Speaker 1: the front of your house, and we screamed for them

470
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Speaker 1: to get away. They ran off. We chased them, but

471
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 1: it was too late. The house was on fire. Got

472
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 1: it and went yeah, got it, and that was it.

473
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 5: We got and we got away with it.

474
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 1: But it was it was like it was it was

475
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Speaker 1: you know, you do speed storytelling, and I think that

476
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,679
Speaker 1: was my first chance at pitching an idea, you know,

477
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,400
Speaker 1: in approximately one minute.

478
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, before the lift hit the ground.

479
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

480
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:05,640
Speaker 4: Yes.

481
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 1: The only difference was I was getting paid to do

482
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 1: it for bands like bon Jovi and Guns and Roses.

483
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:09,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

484
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 1: One of my best mates, Steve Lawton and his dear

485
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 1: father Deares is no longer with us, who did fireworks

486
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 1: for Sid Howard fire Weeks International. So the first big

487
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 1: fire Weeks show that ever happened on the Sydney Harbor

488
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 1: Bridge that made the front of Time magazine. That was

489
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 1: all Sid and Deirs and so yeah, at the age

490
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Speaker 1: of I started doing five Weeks. I think I was

491
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 1: like fourteen or fifteen when I started, because they were

492
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 1: my mates and I just head around Country Victoria and elsewhere.

493
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,120
Speaker 1: On the weekends, I'd be doing firework shows all over well,

494
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 1: all over the place. And yeah, I did it for

495
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 1: i know, ten or fifteen years or something, and yeah,

496
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: worked for you know. I did die Straits, we know

497
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 1: with their Brothers and Arms tour, and when it came

498
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 1: to Melbourne and Debbie Gibson's Electric Youth Tour that was

499
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six. You know, I did the Melbourne stuff

500
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,400
Speaker 1: for that, but yeah, any big concert that had fire

501
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: weeks and the rural Melbourne show and everything else, and yeah,

502
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: I lived. You know, it was kind of a bit

503
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 1: like a CARNI for a little bit. Was on weekends

504
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 1: I would literally getting getting cars and drive around and

505
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: I love that because our dad comes from Cardifolk and

506
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 1: that made me feel like I was, you know, when

507
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 1: I was at the Royal.

508
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 4: Melbourne Shallen working out of sheds.

509
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: I loved all that. But it's not a great job

510
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 1: and I was glad to see the back of it

511
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: in the end.

512
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, experience, isn't it.

513
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 3: Experience gives you confidence as you move forward, So I

514
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 3: think that's wrapped up. We've established that neither of you

515
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:32,959
Speaker 3: took responsibility for your actions as young folks. What what what?

516
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 3: What values did you? Can you remember that your parents

517
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 3: get taught you, your mum and your dad.

518
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 5: Well, from my point of view, we were told a

519
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 5: lot about the Jacobson you know ethos, and a lot

520
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 5: of that was through storytelling more so than.

521
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, just know Jacobson doesn't this, or a

522
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: Jacobson does that. It was more the storytelling of because

523
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: as Shane just said, you know, our grandparents were carnefolks.

524
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: So my grandfather and grandmother they owned they owned a

525
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: carnival and you know, Dad, from a very young age

526
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: with his brothers, would travel around Victoria and New.

527
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 5: South Wales with his carnival.

528
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: But then my grandfather died when my dad was about eight,

529
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 1: right in front of him, and they sold up the carnival,

530
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 1: kept the tents and they were given a block of

531
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: land they could set the tent up in Marrabanong. The

532
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 1: local women in the street allowed them to share a

533
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: lot with the Clydesdale Horse. So for the first twenty

534
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: three years of his life, Dad lived in a tent

535
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: and so we grew up hearing lots of stories of hardship.

536
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: They didn't have a lot of money. They worked in

537
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: the abbatoires, they had multiple jobs. You know, Dad talks

538
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: about all those classic great stories you hear of tough times,

539
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: of putting you know, newspapers in the holes of your shoes,

540
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: or never had a never ever having a proper toy

541
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: for Christmas at all, being made from his brothers making

542
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: toys for him out of scrap, out of rubbish tips.

543
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: And you know, I think my uncle, my uncle once

544
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 1: pulled me aside. He gave me advice, and I thought

545
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 1: it was kind of interesting. He said, Unchael Bill said, son,

546
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: never get I was a teen. He said, never get

547
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: into a fight. He said, fighting as a mugs game.

548
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: He said, you know, avoid it at all costs. And

549
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: he said, but if you get cornered and there's nowhere

550
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: else to go and you have to hit, don't hit

551
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: to hurt, hit to kill. I am a foot behind

552
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: the head because you're always slowed down to hit a target.

553
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 1: And I thought that was fascinating that we went from

554
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: pacifist to hardcore killer in the space of one sentence.

555
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: So there was a lot of confusing and conflicting advice

556
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: that we got. But I think goodwill to others. Family

557
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: and friendship is important. You know that they are the

558
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 1: two main things. Dad would always say, family is everything.

559
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 4: And your word is your words bond.

560
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, and yeah, if you say you're going to

561
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 5: do something, live up to it.

562
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: And one thing that my dad used to say, be

563
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: going to lie better have a good memory, you know.

564
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 5: So that was that was good.

565
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

566
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: And going back to dad, coming from nothing, he said,

567
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: you know when they were young, they were so poor

568
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:25,719
Speaker 1: growing up, they couldn't even afford to pay attention. But

569
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: that word that and the other thing was that, well

570
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: it's not this wasn't explained to us that your word

571
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,959
Speaker 1: is your bond. But the thing that I think all

572
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: all Jacobson seemed to possess and the Jacobson name really

573
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: meant something like if you if you were going to

574
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: do anything that brought disgrace to the Jacobson name, that was,

575
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: well you just wouldn't do it. I guess is the point,

576
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: wouldn't you, brother? That would be it wouldn't it? Like

577
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: I can't explain how they got in there they were

578
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: and not and not only that, there was you know,

579
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: there was a reputational thing that we do as we

580
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: say we're going to do. But it was, yeah, be

581
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: kind to others. But it was also and it does

582
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: live in within all of us, is we're fine with

583
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: everyone until they mistaken our kindness for weakness and that

584
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: and then things change. I think there's a thing in

585
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: our DNA because of the fact that they were known

586
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: as the tent family. So the Jacobsons were known as

587
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: the tent family, the family that live in a tent,

588
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, they were ostracized a lot

589
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: for that, and the thing that the brothers were proud

590
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: of is that. And you know, the interesting thing with

591
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 1: you know, we I think about how tough my Nan was.

592
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: She was an extraordinary woman because she you know, I've

593
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: got such a wonderful relationship with my dad because he

594
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: has such a great feminine side to him because he

595
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: was brought up from.

596
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 5: The age of eight solely by a woman.

597
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: But he had these older brothers that we were you know,

598
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, like what Shane and I were talking about

599
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: before that, you know, they are inspiring to him and

600
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 1: he looked up to them and they placed and Nan

601
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: would say things like if you if you mess and

602
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: she was as rough as she she would say. Her

603
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: language was pretty pretty well long. She s ate my

604
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: fright out that you you know, you laid your hand

605
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: on a woman, you know, in any way shaping You know,

606
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: I can't do anything about you when you're awake, but

607
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: you've got to go to sleep at some point, and

608
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: I'll cut your bloody balls off.

609
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 5: So she would, you know, she would instill.

610
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 1: The biggest fear that anyone had with Nan was that

611
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: she would cut them off, you know that, And so

612
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: that was interesting.

613
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 5: That sort of carried through, I think through to the brothers.

614
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: And so there was this underlying thing of do the

615
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 1: right thing, but you know, if you're going to get

616
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 1: ostracized or you're going to be picked on, you've got

617
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: to stand your ground. She had great all the Jacobson's

618
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: had a great turn of phrase. And we're not talking

619
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: about rhyming slang, not not you know, a dog and

620
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: bone for phone that, not that, but the turn of phrase,

621
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: and my favorite one that Nan did was if she

622
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: thought you were doing something that sounded like a waste,

623
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: waste of time or a shit scene, not worth the effort,

624
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: she'd say, oh, you may as well rub your arse

625
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: with a bread.

626
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 4: Now I had thousands of them, or.

627
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: Thousands of expressions, but that just meant if you sat

628
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: there rubbing your backside with the brick, that would be

629
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: a complete waste of time. And so they had they

630
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: did have a turn of phrase, and you could hear

631
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: a minion different expressions and sometimes never hear the same

632
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: one twice, you know, So it was it was a

633
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: whole different language that made it feel entertaining. As much

634
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: as they didn't have the money, always felt like the

635
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: most amazing place you could be was around a bunch

636
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: of Jacobson's. You know, I was forever their audience.

637
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 4: I was not. It's funny, you know if people say.

638
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: To me, you know, you must have been the life

639
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: of the party in the family, and I'm like, no, no, no, no,

640
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: no, no no. I was an audience member to the Jacobson Show.

641
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like sitting there on Christmas Day.

642
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: You know I might say one word, I mean, that'd

643
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: be it. But that you're listening to my uncles and

644
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: dad and other cousins talking. I mean we just sat

645
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: there on the floor being entertained for hours. You know,

646
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: it would just get They would go from the sun

647
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: would be out and then that would get dark, and

648
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: I would I wanted to be nowhere, but sitting in

649
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: that land room listening to so we did just.

650
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 5: Sit there and listen to.

651
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: Like we lost a cousin recently, sadly, Kenny Jacobson.

652
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 5: And he was.

653
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: A funny guy too, like I just you know, he

654
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: said things like, you know, you know, people say we're

655
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: a garbage family, you know, and I guess we are

656
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: a bit of a garbage family.

657
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 4: You know.

658
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: Our dad was a garbageman, and his father was a garbageman,

659
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: and his father before him was a garbageman, and then

660
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: his father before him was a lawyer, and all good

661
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: garbagemen come from lawyers, so you know. And Uncle Billy

662
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: and I remember once I've got it on video somewhere saying,

663
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: Uncle Bill, how how's been Christmas for you?

664
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 5: Uncle? He go, well, Sonny, and he smoked.

665
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: He actually smoked with one of those little pipes with

666
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,959
Speaker 1: stickt and he actually he died of lung cancer. And

667
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: my dad said that, said Bill, the doctors have told

668
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: you to keep away from the cigarettes. He said, I'm

669
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: keeping away from I've just put the little stick here,

670
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: he said, I've got And so.

671
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 4: He said, the doctor told me to keep away from them.

672
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 1: So here I am about four inches away from the

673
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: bastards that should.

674
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: Do very stylish though they were a little cigarette hold. Yeah,

675
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: I had the teacher who had one of those things,

676
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 3: was like, that's pretty sad.

677
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: But it wasn't. It was the smoke going through the

678
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: tube that was killing them. I wondered what that thing was.

679
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: It'd be like only shooting up heroine. It's not the

680
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: length of the needle.

681
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess.

682
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: I guess it's solved them from getting orange fingers and

683
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: having their smell like smell like that might have been.

684
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 3: And amazing you say you were you were witnessed to

685
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: your family doing all that stuff, and then and then

686
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: you bring Kenny to light. And I'm thinking that your

687
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 3: grandfather wasn't pooing in the tent, so he probably had

688
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: a portoloo outside or some other thing out there. So

689
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: it just feels like it's just been this organic growth

690
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: for you guys in terms of like especially we're bringing

691
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: that movie because that's full of those wonderful you know,

692
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: like like we talked about before that the sayings with

693
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: the religion, it would it would halt religion you.

694
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: Know, so wouldn't the film wouldn't exist without Clay. The

695
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: truth is I worked in the events industry. Clay was

696
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: flat out doing film clips in excess midnight all again.

697
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: Anyone you can think of an Australia Clay was directing

698
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: or editing or making film clips and doing short films

699
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: and winning awards for them.

700
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 4: And Clay's always been Clay's always.

701
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: Observed the world and looks at stories like I get

702
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: excited by a story and laugh and then I want

703
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: to tell a joke afterwards, whereas Clay has always That's

704
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: why when people say, Shane, will you ever go on

705
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: to be a director? I go no, because I know

706
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: what you know. My brother's a director. I see how

707
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: directors think, and I don't think like a director. I

708
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: find stories funny and then I'll think of another funny story,

709
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: whereas Clay will look at situations. And Clay does observe

710
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: the world more. I'm more the guy running around like

711
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: a chicken with its headcut off, and Clay's more the

712
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: guy watching. He'll watch the whole what goes on at

713
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: around the whole fire pit. I'm just standing at the

714
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: five pit trying to listen to the joke and then going,

715
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: I know one, you know what I mean, Whereas Clay

716
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: will look at the whole function. And that's how directors think,

717
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: and it is a very different function I think from actors.

718
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of actors go on to

719
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: be directors and many do a great job of it.

720
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I wouldn't be able to direct,

721
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: but I know there's a difference between an actor and director.

722
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: And I worked in the event industry and was telling

723
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: Clay some stories about and having heard about the uncles,

724
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: this is a quick story to tell these Splashdown plumbers.

725
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: Splashdown was a company that were delivering toilets and I

726
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: used them at events when not because I used to

727
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: also do event management, and they reminded me of my

728
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: uncle's And I was telling Clay some stories about these

729
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: guys that reminded me of our uncles. And it wasn't

730
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: long into that that Clay said, which was.

731
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: Never my point.

732
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: I was commenting on someone at the fire place of life,

733
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, at the five pin of life,

734
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: and he said, what a great way to look at

735
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: humanity through the eyes of Splashdown plumbers who have the

736
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: heart and the humor of our uncles and use a

737
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: sense of humor as a suit of armor.

738
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 4: And he was the one going, what a great idea

739
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: for a show.

740
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: I didn't see that I was telling him a story,

741
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: and he went on, I don't know that would make it.

742
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 5: Go into it.

743
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: People don't realize that like it. Shane resisted for a

744
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: long while. I knew there was something, and I'd actually

745
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: clean toilets to put myself through film school. So to

746
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: pay for my third year film I cleaned toilets at

747
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: the James Hardy factory for a year. So I would

748
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: at nine o'clock at night go and polish their office

749
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: floors and then sleep, get up at four in the

750
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: morning go and clean all the factory toilets, and then

751
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: go to school and learn how to be a filmmaker.

752
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 5: And it was really interesting.

753
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: By day I was being taught to be the great auteur,

754
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: and then at night I was called a turd and

755
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: it was so and I remember that amazing feeling of

756
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: not feeling like one or the other. And so when

757
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: Shane he actually did this impersonation of keV, that's no

758
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: longer whether he was one of the splash down guys.

759
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: It was a very funny quick story. I still remember it.

760
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: It was that one of it which never ended up

761
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: in the film. Strangely enough, it was it was keV saying,

762
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 1: you know when we do all the factables and you know,

763
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: everyone comes in with all their trucks and everything. You know,

764
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: they get every other barst a meal, they'll get our feet,

765
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, but they never give us any bloody food.

766
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: You know.

767
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: I don't know why he goes, but you know what

768
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,959
Speaker 1: I do. I go in with the tep where all

769
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: the food is. I see all the sandwiches shacked up,

770
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: and he goes, and what I do. I make sure

771
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: one of the guys is watching. And I just plunged

772
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: my hand right into the bottom limb sandwiches and pull

773
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: them out.

774
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 5: I saw on it.

775
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: He goes, trust me, no other bar said wants to

776
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: touch those sandwiches after that, and we get the lot.

777
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: So that was that was the story that he told me.

778
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 5: And it stayed with me. But what wouldn't it stayed

779
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 5: with me?

780
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: But what really what really resonated for me was and

781
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: is that you know I had had Shane used.

782
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 5: To always come in and entertain us or at my workplace.

783
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: So I was I had an advertising company and he

784
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: would always come in and entertain everyone and and but

785
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: there was something about this, And when I went home,

786
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: I went, I didn't.

787
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 5: See Shane in that impersonation like that.

788
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: There was a very it was almost like a fully

789
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: formed character, and there was heart there and sadness, and

790
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: I went, wow, there's something in there.

791
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 5: So it took a while.

792
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: Well, I kept bringing him up, going, come on, let's

793
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: do something with it, and you go, I don't know what.

794
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to ask, you know, Glenn the head

795
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: of Splash Down. And then I think one day you

796
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: rang up and said I actually managed to sit next

797
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: to him at a function. I'd mentioned it and he's

798
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: up for it, he wants and I went, oh great,

799
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: let's go.

800
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 3: Is it true that Shane stayed on as a working

801
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: plumber after the shoot?

802
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: Went? Is that a rumor that I heard?

803
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 4: So that was a bit that became confusing for people.

804
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 4: So there's two parts of this. There's two reasons why

805
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 4: people confused.

806
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: Is people saw the film and went, it's a documentary,

807
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: you know, Van Brian Brown ran Clay going, you've asked

808
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: having me falled until I realized about you know, two

809
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: thirds of the way and it's a it's a freaking

810
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: movie yours, and so a lot of people I still

811
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: have to this very day, I get called Kenny as

812
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: much as I get called Shane out of car windows,

813
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: like daily, which is a lot wonderful thing, you know.

814
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm happy with either. You know, we've always

815
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: said it's better to be remembered for something you've done

816
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: and forgotten for everything that's right. So you know, I'll

817
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: take it every day of the week. And you know,

818
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: no one.

819
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 6: Else is driving past, and you're a great accountant to like,

820
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 6: it's just an amazing electrician mold like it just doesn't

821
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 6: happen in other people's lives. So it's a privilege, you know.

822
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,479
Speaker 1: But but the thing is, so people will confuse number

823
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: one because they thought it was a documentary, and then

824
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: even if they kind of learned that's not it. The

825
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: amount of people that say to me, but you were

826
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: a plumper, right, I'm like, no, no, no, no, And my answer

827
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: used to be and now Tom Cruise, you're on that

828
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: camp has blown this because I used to say, no,

829
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm not a plumber, and Tom Cruise isn't a fighter pilot.

830
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: But what did confuse some people which didn't help me

831
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: at all, is when the film was finished. I'm not

832
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: a plumber. As Dad used to say, you couldn't even

833
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: swap a seal and a tap that. After we finished

834
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: the film, I used to do event management, which is

835
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: I and as I said before, I hide splash down

836
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: to do the toilets at major events. And he needed

837
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: a bit of restructuring and needed an event manager. And

838
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: Glenn actually said, look, while Clay's in sort of post

839
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: production trying to get the film ready to release, I

840
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: was national general manager of a company. I couldn't give

841
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: them enough of my time, and my time there was

842
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: coming to its natural end. And as a lighting guy

843
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: and national general manager, he said, how about you work

844
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: for me. You know all my clients, you know how

845
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,479
Speaker 1: to do site management and event management, and you helped

846
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: restructure the company. So for about a year before the

847
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: film was released, and probably about four weeks to after

848
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: it was released, and then after that my life changed.

849
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 4: But he said, how about you work here?

850
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: Because if Clay said we need to do some adr

851
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: or go and shoot some pickups, or go and promote

852
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: the film, Glenn could continue to pay me to live,

853
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 1: and I'd already had a child at that point because

854
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: I was indirectly working for him, you know what I mean.

855
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: So we also knew, like I had already planned, and

856
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: this was long before Borrett, I'd already planned that I

857
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: needed to get Shane out in character doing interviews because

858
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: I knew, just intrinsically knew.

859
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 5: It's a film with.

860
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: No stars, it's made by two brothers, all my families,

861
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: and it's shot on video. It's about Pooh. Who the

862
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: hell is going to want to see this? And even

863
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: our visual look I knew would probably be a turn

864
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: off for women, thinking, I don't know if I want

865
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: to watch that guy put fact, you.

866
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 5: Know, plunging his hand and shit.

867
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: So I wanted Shane out there as a character, showing

868
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: how lovable this character was, so that the only equation

869
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: that an audience would have is well, I've heard him

870
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: on the radio and I've seen him on TV and

871
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: he seems really funny and adorable. All I want to

872
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: do now is see what he does in the movie.

873
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: And that was the idea. And so when actually Glenn

874
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: rang me before he offered it to Shane, he said,

875
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: do you think Shane had I've been watching how you

876
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: guys acting because we don't have a foreman.

877
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 5: I think that job should exist. You know, do you

878
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 5: think your brother will do it?

879
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: And I went, well, I hope he does, because when

880
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: we come to doing the I said, he can only

881
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: do it for a short period because when we get

882
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: him out on the run, he'll be able to answer

883
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: every question on plumbing.

884
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 5: So he did. He knew all the terms, all the terminology.

885
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: It was so funny and so it was the opposite

886
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: of Danira, right because de Niro drove a taxi for

887
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: months before he did Taxi Driver. We got Shane to

888
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: plumb toilets after he made the movie, so it's you know,

889
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: I kind of.

890
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: Have to wish we didn't have to wind it up,

891
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: but we do. What's next for you guys? Shane? Are

892
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: you still doing the show with Todd?

893
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 4: So the film? Yeah, finish just finished that a couple

894
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 4: of weeks ago.

895
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: So you did did eighty shows of that, yep, you

896
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: know it works camp made a week so so I

897
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: just finished that.

898
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 4: I've got a film.

899
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: I did a film with Rebel Wilson which is just

900
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: made the final night at Toronto Film Festival.

901
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: So that's big the TA.

902
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: The Toronto Film Festival is one of the major film

903
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: festivals in the world, so that's great.

904
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: That's no small small thing.

905
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm heading I'm heading over, so I believe

906
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: it or not, I'm sure she won't mind me saying.

907
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: But there wasn't a budget for it, so Rebel Wilson's

908
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: personally paying the paying to fly me over and booking

909
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: my flights and accommodation. She said, I want you here.

910
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: I want you to some myself and Tara Maurice, who

911
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: people would know as the star from Strictly Ballroom, so

912
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: she plays my love interest in the film, so she's

913
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: her and I going over there to catch up with

914
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: Rebel and go to the closing night at Toronto.

915
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 4: So that's coming up.

916
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: And to be honest, I've me and Claire working on

917
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: some stuff we can't talk about now, like a TV series.

918
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: We could say it's for the ABC and you know,

919
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: I mean Claire and Clay's working on another thing for

920
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: us at the moment which we can't talk about.

921
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 4: There's lots of things we can't talk about.

922
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: Camill have you have you announced the Clay Well, what

923
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: are you going to share it with anyone I'd wanted to.

924
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 5: I think you can let me put it this way,

925
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 5: you know you do it.

926
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: We get asked a lot to do Kenny sequels, and

927
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: the truth is I've never felt comfortable doing them, only

928
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: because Kenny was a riff on decency and I really

929
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: felt like I investigated that top to bottom, left or

930
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: right up and down everything that I feel about decency.

931
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: And you know, the sort of the kinder side of

932
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: Jacobson is in that film, and I just there was

933
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: no way of repeating it without it being a bit

934
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: sort of novel and give an idea. Cam I've not

935
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: put on the overalls. We did it once for the

936
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: A five tenth anniversary. I've not pulled on the overalls

937
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: in eighteen years, right, I did once in eighteen years,

938
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: So back to you. But yeah, but the idea of

939
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: Kenny singing on stage and bringing sum of Shane's on

940
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: stage talents to the world of Kenny. So what I

941
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: can say is that we are working at this moment

942
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: on the musical to Kenny, and that, yeah, that is

943
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm having a lot of fun. There's titles like eighty

944
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: percent water that's a good song, which.

945
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: The toilet I think I'm going to have to throw

946
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 3: my hat into the ring without knowing what any characters

947
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 3: are there.

948
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 2: I have to throw my hat into the ring and say,

949
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: can I come plain?

950
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you don't throw your hat in the ring.

951
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 4: You throw your ring.

952
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: I'm throwing a ring in.

953
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 5: Oh I like it. Can I make a note of that.

954
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 5: That's good?

955
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: We're just yes, absolutely, now, this is.

956
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 5: Good, Shaney, this is great.

957
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: I bypassed the agents and the managers, and the whole

958
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: idea of doing this interview was to get Cam in

959
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: the music.

960
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. My whole thing was to get

961
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: you two in a shower together.

962
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: We've done all this, we do we do a two

963
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 3: minute shower. So let's clean up. So keep your answers

964
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 3: as short and succinct as you possibly can.

965
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: This is going to be a hard one for you both,

966
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: I know. But if you could relive one day with

967
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: each other, what would it be?

968
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 5: Oh?

969
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 4: Wow, what a question?

970
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: Ah gone claim the premiere at Poo Wong. I suppose standing.

971
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: I supposed standing outside, and we could hear everyone laughing inside,

972
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: and I turned to Shane and I said, they're all

973
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: laughing with your mate there.

974
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 5: I think this might work.

975
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: It was a lovely moment, just you know, standing out

976
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: there alone together before it all went crazy. Claim I

977
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: want to hear it, but it was was, to be honest.

978
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: I used to lay in my bedroom at night and

979
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: he'd come home later than me, and there's no one

980
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: in particular, but I'd lay up and then go I

981
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: could hear him coming and realize my big brother was

982
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: about to walk in the room. But there was always humor,

983
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: So I'll give you one. He was putting stuff on

984
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: his face. He had pimples, and I said I was laughing.

985
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: I was trying to laughing at him, and he said,

986
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: it'll happen to you one day. He always warned me

987
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: that everything that happened to him would happen to me,

988
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: and it said that he was right. And then I

989
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: was having a go at him and he was in

990
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: the bottom bunk and I was in the top bunk.

991
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: And you know, they're not bottled together, or they weren't

992
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: back then, and I was giggling him for some reason,

993
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: and he put his feet up onto the bed and

994
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: he would kick me up and I nearly hit the

995
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: roof and he would kick me in the air, and

996
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: as much as it drove me mad. I thought it

997
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: was hilarious and when how much fun is having a brother?

998
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,919
Speaker 1: So yeah, probably sitting on that bunk with him trying

999
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: to kick me to the roof, because I will gladly

1000
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 1: kick in the ass next time I see you.

1001
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: Well, what about your relationship makes you feel most grateful?

1002
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: I'll go with it. The blood of them water thing.

1003
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean me and Clayton haven't had our battles,

1004
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: but you know inherently, which you can't say about friendship,

1005
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: that when push comes to shove, they're there to push

1006
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: and shove anyone that's trying to push and shove you.

1007
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: And knowing that that's a given, there's you know, only

1008
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: people who have brothers and can you'll know it. And

1009
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: those listening that have brothers or sisters, there's it's an

1010
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: unwritten law that you can have a go at each other,

1011
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: but if someone else has a go at you, they're

1012
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: in trouble. And that's kind of nice to know you've got,

1013
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's like your own emotional bodyguard. You know.

1014
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: I won't mention the film, but I walked off a

1015
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: movie five weeks before it was I was due to

1016
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: direct it because someone was trying to be macha alien

1017
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: between our brotherhood, and it was just nothing was nothing

1018
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: is more important to me than that. So no film

1019
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: was going to get in the way of that. So

1020
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: I sort of stepped aside. But yeah, it's like there's

1021
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: a it's funny there is seven years difference, but that

1022
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 1: was when we were kids.

1023
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 5: They were two different people.

1024
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: They were two different the Shane and I we feel

1025
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: like I feel like he's twin and and and there's

1026
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: no one I would rather spend time with other than

1027
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: my wife. And that's kind of weird, isn't it. I

1028
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: haven't Shane in bed with me with my wife is kind.

1029
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 5: Of but we're just it's always just that big.

1030
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: The world isn't The world isn't a scary place when

1031
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: I'm with my bro. When I'm with my bro, it's

1032
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: a happy place. It's a funny place. It's it's a

1033
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: warm place. It's it's loving.

1034
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 5: You know.

1035
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: I love that answer, all right? One word to describe

1036
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 2: each other.

1037
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 4: Fat what he said? And you know what camp you

1038
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 4: know one listening is.

1039
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: You guys, thank you so much for your time.

1040
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 3: Clayton and Shane Jacobs and you guys have rippers and yeah,

1041
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 3: Thanks so much, man, it's.

1042
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 5: Been good joy Camp. Thank you went.

1043
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: Off the brothers Jacobson go. I love that chat that

1044
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: was That was fantastic.

1045
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: I worked with Shane probably a decade ago on the

1046
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: Beaconsfield mini series and we struck up a really great

1047
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: friendship that has continued.

1048
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: Always love seeing him. He's as I said in the intro,

1049
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 2: he's just so authentic.

1050
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 3: And Clayton is He's just the same.

1051
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 2: He's a ripper.

1052
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 3: I'm so stoked, I, you know, get to have a

1053
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 3: chat with a couple of blakes and maybe.

1054
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 2: Walk away with a job.

1055
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 5: Unreal.

1056
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: All right, well, listen, Ali will be with me here

1057
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: next time.

1058
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: I'm going to race out and go get the ingredients

1059
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 3: for the for the chicken soup, so I will catch

1060
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: up with you next time on separate bathrooms.

1061
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: Thanks for being here, and Cam, I'm going to give

1062
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: you my favorite memory of you, which is when we

1063
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: were shooting Beaconsfield. You and me had a cabin right

1064
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: beside each other and Tazzy we did, and mornings I

1065
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: would be woken, not in a bad way, but just

1066
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: in the distance. You'd be sitting on a porch playing

1067
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: guitar and practicing. Ever so slightly, and it was and

1068
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: it was soft music. And I used to lay and

1069
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: listened to you singing, playing guitar. You had that little

1070
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: plain guitar oad of you in your bag. So that's

1071
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite every time I've ever been

1072
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: near you put a smile on the face because you're

1073
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: one of the world's great humans, but listening to you

1074
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: serenade me with that, you knowing you were doing. So

1075
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: he's my favorite memory of you.

1076
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 3: There you go, Oh, it's very kind of you. Well, guys,

1077
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 3: let's make a shitty musical tea.

1078
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 4: Yes, yes,