Speaker 1: Good team. I hope your bloody terrific. Welcome to another
Speaker 1: installment the show. This is the continuation Slow Down, Craig.
Speaker 1: This is the continuation of the chat with Greg Riley
Speaker 1: and myself that we began yesterday. If you heard yesterday's show,
Speaker 1: If you didn't, probably need to listen to that one first. Nonetheless,
Speaker 1: here's part two. I loved this chat. I hope you
Speaker 1: do too. So let's open another door, and that is
Speaker 1: the the conversation around getting into altered states using various things.
Speaker 2: We'll just say that, we'll just say that you I've been.
Speaker 1: A psychedelic experimenter and but which is ironic because you are,
Speaker 1: you know, and I love you. But this boring middle
Speaker 1: aged bloke with glasses who works in a bank, it's
Speaker 1: so weird. Who doesn't smoke And I don't know if
Speaker 1: you drink, but you definitely don't drink a lot, and
Speaker 1: you're in good shape and you're fit, and you're an
Speaker 1: ex footballer and yeah, it just doesn't So how did
Speaker 1: how did that happen? How did you open the psychedelic door? Why? Why? Like?
Speaker 1: What do you? Oh?
Speaker 2: Look, it was a client rend me once and she
Speaker 2: said I'm having these issues, can you help me?
Speaker 3: And then after about talking about twenty it's.
Speaker 2: Like, I can't help you with this, this stuff I
Speaker 2: can't help you with and we're talking about, Okay, what
Speaker 2: are you doing this weekend? I'm going up to this retreat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to say, Ahascar retreat. And it's like, really,
Speaker 2: so you go to South America for that stuff? She said, no, no,
Speaker 2: come along. Okay, So it came along this the person
Speaker 2: I have done anything outside of my other recreational drugs
Speaker 2: I shoved in my body when my early twenties, I
Speaker 2: sat in this circle and there was about twelve was
Speaker 2: in there in someone's garage and up in the bush
Speaker 2: and you go around. Basically you drink aoh oscar and
Speaker 2: you go around the circle. And I was second up,
Speaker 2: and I like to think that due to my history
Speaker 2: that can probably take a fair bit of you know, substances.
Speaker 3: And they gave.
Speaker 2: Me a fair light dose first up, and then so
Speaker 2: the first guy took his drink and then it came
Speaker 2: to me and I took it and tastes like dirt
Speaker 2: down to it, and they say it's about it takes
Speaker 2: about twenty minutes to forty minutes to kick in.
Speaker 3: I really got to person seven and I was on
Speaker 3: the floor. I was dribbling.
Speaker 2: I gone, literally, I was out cold like that. Had
Speaker 2: to basically get me out of the circle, take me outside.
Speaker 2: The next moment I wake up, this has probably been
Speaker 2: about half an hour.
Speaker 3: I was out cold. I woke up.
Speaker 2: I thought, oh, I should kissed myself like I felt
Speaker 2: like I had actually bet the bed and then Greg okay.
Speaker 2: So I woke up basically and the Sharman's over me.
Speaker 2: He's blowing smoking me, someone girl singing, He's got all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, and it's like, are you okay,
Speaker 2: You're okay?
Speaker 3: And I went I think I was just weave myst it.
Speaker 2: Guess no, no, you're alive now. I actually felt this thing
Speaker 2: come out of me. I felt it again. This people
Speaker 2: gonna go. He finally just flipped his lid. I felt
Speaker 2: this thing lift out of my body and leave. And
Speaker 2: the moment that left, I woke, I went, holy shit,
Speaker 2: I can just see life as it really is now,
Speaker 2: Like there was there was something inside me that it
Speaker 2: just I saw it come out through the top of
Speaker 2: my head. And when it came out, I've never felt well.
Speaker 2: I felt good since then, But that was the first
Speaker 2: time he used a psychedelics.
Speaker 3: I felt anything about I.
Speaker 2: Was connected to everything, the whole shitting match, everybody, everything,
Speaker 2: the whole light, and I saw everything. There was a
Speaker 2: weird experience, and then it was just I went, okay, right,
Speaker 2: this that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Hang on, hang on, just fucking steady on back, hang on,
Speaker 1: hang on. Okay. So you took some iowas car and
Speaker 1: you woke up half an hour later? Was it actually
Speaker 1: half an hour?
Speaker 3: It was about half an hour?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And when you said this entity left your
Speaker 1: body obviously not a physical thing, but like a spiritual
Speaker 1: or was it emotional? Was it mental?
Speaker 3: Was it? It was this thing that like a robotic thing.
Speaker 2: There was attached around my spine and my around my
Speaker 2: head and my neck.
Speaker 3: It was. It came out. It was like metallic.
Speaker 2: I could taste oil in my mouth when it was
Speaker 2: coming out, like a sort of a robotic AI implant
Speaker 2: kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Wow, And I can actually.
Speaker 2: See it coming out, and then when it lifted out.
Speaker 2: I've never ever felt well, have since, but that was
Speaker 2: the first time I went oh wow.
Speaker 1: This and that was that moment. Then, in terms of
Speaker 1: just an experience, and a feeling. Is that the best
Speaker 1: you've ever felt?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 1: How old were you then?
Speaker 3: Fifteen years ago? Now so thirty five?
Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah, so you're thirty five years old. You've gone
Speaker 1: on this. Okay, sorry to interrupt, I'm just trying because
Speaker 1: you know, I ring the cops if I'm going to
Speaker 1: take an as bro right like, yeah, yeah, all right?
Speaker 1: So you did.
Speaker 2: That that and then I went, Okay, there's something in this,
Speaker 2: so I did a learn about it. So I say
Speaker 2: then to really, you know, dive deep into the there
Speaker 2: arapeutical uses of psychedelics in that space. So mainly the AOASCAR.
Speaker 2: I've done five VODMT, which is the is the frog venom,
Speaker 2: which you actually then smoke as well too. Yeah, actually
Speaker 2: into LSD, mushrooms, MDMA and all that kind of stuff, right,
Speaker 2: So so you sort of but it's all about therapeutic use.
Speaker 2: So people kind of think that I'll go and have
Speaker 2: an AOSC experience, I'll come out, I'll be all here
Speaker 2: and I don't have to do anything.
Speaker 3: It's no, that's not the case.
Speaker 2: The spiritual healing of these plants a lay to access
Speaker 2: places beyond your conscious mind so you can deal with
Speaker 2: them yourself too. Many people go into these psychedelic experiences
Speaker 2: thinking that the plant's going to do the work for me.
Speaker 2: I can then come home and all my traumas solved. No,
Speaker 2: the integration parts, the vital part of actually this you
Speaker 2: haven't experienced.
Speaker 3: When you come home, you have to do the work again,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: So that's why people get a bit funny with the
Speaker 2: wrong impression with psychedelics. But but then, yeah, I become
Speaker 2: an avid, avid journeyer and an avid learner of everything
Speaker 2: I get my hands onto from a research perspective in
Speaker 2: the field. So I sort of you know, linked up
Speaker 2: with some key people in the Australian you know, psychedelic community,
Speaker 2: and you know sort of become friends with them as
Speaker 2: well too, and you know, we sort of share stories.
Speaker 3: And then yeah.
Speaker 2: Went down that journey of experiencing Okay, what can you
Speaker 2: show me and ceremony about the nature of who we
Speaker 2: really are and you know, why we're here and nature consciousness.
Speaker 2: And I've had some experiences and then we's have been
Speaker 2: literally like I've been crying into a bucket bucket for
Speaker 2: two hours. Yeah, you know, I've been I've had times
Speaker 2: where I've seen, you know, I've died and basically from
Speaker 2: complete ego death and had to say goodbye to my
Speaker 2: wife and kids.
Speaker 3: I was sobbing for two.
Speaker 2: Hours and then break through and realize that, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's all a contract of my mind. Right when
Speaker 2: you go deep into that place of reality, is just
Speaker 2: what you perceive or project based on what you believe,
Speaker 2: Like it's it's confronting stuff like.
Speaker 3: It's it's you can't, I would not if you're not
Speaker 3: ready for this, it will screw you up, if you're not.
Speaker 2: Ready to actually understand the nature of reality, that the
Speaker 2: fact is that you create the reality to the way
Speaker 2: you perceive it the way you think.
Speaker 3: You just you just you can't handle it. You'll lose
Speaker 3: the plot.
Speaker 1: M Do you feel like that? Like? I feel like
Speaker 1: our mind is a gift and sometimes a problem, right
Speaker 1: because we need our mind because it helps us navigate
Speaker 1: life and you know, think critically and make decisions and
Speaker 1: all those very fundamental practical things that we need to
Speaker 1: be a human being. You know, make a few bucks
Speaker 1: and feed the kids and have a conversation like we're
Speaker 1: doing right now. It's important and valuable, of course, but
Speaker 1: at the other end of the scale, sometimes it's a
Speaker 1: thing that gets in the road of what's beyond the mind.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, and by the way, I don't
Speaker 1: know what that is, but I definitely think that there's
Speaker 1: more than I understand, more than I can comprehend. And
Speaker 1: I feel like if I.
Speaker 4: Said all there is is the all that I know,
Speaker 4: what I know, that's all there is, what I understand,
Speaker 4: that's all there is, well one, i'd be wrong too.
Speaker 1: I'd be super arrogant, you know. And that like if
Speaker 1: there's do you feel like we're psychedelics? It gives you
Speaker 1: access to something that you can't have access.
Speaker 2: To with your mind, absolutely, because most people think they
Speaker 2: live inside their head, they think they exist inside their brain.
Speaker 3: And that's that's the first part, is that you don't
Speaker 3: like it.
Speaker 2: And you know, I think we've had conversations about before
Speaker 2: about the nature of thought. Lord, does the brain actually
Speaker 2: think or is it just a receiver?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm of the perception that the brain is not
Speaker 2: a thinker. It's just it's just the radio.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: The I think in your recent course you've got out
Speaker 2: you do that analogy is that the radio waves are
Speaker 2: already in the air. The radio is a part that
Speaker 2: actually disciples waves and then translated the music.
Speaker 3: Well, that's our brain.
Speaker 2: I'm of the similar kind of ilk that thoughts are
Speaker 2: already in the consciousness. We're just attreating to those thoughts.
Speaker 2: And I think there's been studies done. The fact is,
Speaker 2: you know, there's when does the thought actually even happen?
Speaker 1: Mmmmmmm, And then and then you love, oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: then you get weirder and go. Actually, I had to
Speaker 1: disappoint everyone. But there's no such thing as the mind. Correct,
Speaker 1: there's no mind. We don't have a mind, just a conduct.
Speaker 1: There's no such thing as greg.
Speaker 2: Or go on, well greg was what I was told
Speaker 2: that I was, but of a birth certificate. But that's
Speaker 2: just someone someone called me like you know again, like
Speaker 2: I'm not my job, that's what I do, but it's
Speaker 2: not who I am, you know, it's not my bank
Speaker 2: though it's the car.
Speaker 3: I drive where I live.
Speaker 2: Those are all constructs of society and constructions to allow
Speaker 2: us to integrate the three dimensional world. Like we need
Speaker 2: to have these constructs so we can engage in this
Speaker 2: three dimensional world to have an experience of life like
Speaker 2: there is again we go, there is no purpose to life.
Speaker 2: We have this thing where we're so stuck on. We
Speaker 2: must have a purpose. Life's purpose is to experience. That's it,
Speaker 2: no more, no less. But we get obsessed with them.
Speaker 2: I must save the world, I must have My purpose
Speaker 2: is to get ten thousand followers or a million followers.
Speaker 2: And that's something you do. The only pure purpose of
Speaker 2: life in itself is to experience life.
Speaker 3: Couldn't the band the Ugly Mmmm that?
Speaker 1: And if we scrub your name off your birth certificate,
Speaker 1: if we scrub Gregor and nobody in the world knows
Speaker 1: your name, you still exist. You haven't gone anywhere. That
Speaker 1: exactly the bloke that I'm looking at right now, still
Speaker 1: as as being still traversing the big round blue ball,
Speaker 1: still doing life.
Speaker 2: And what do you change my day? By deep alt
Speaker 2: to Steve? Okay, Steve, Yeah, all of a sudden I changed.
Speaker 2: But still, you know, we were so stuck in our
Speaker 2: illusion of the ego.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like me me thinking I'm an ever Last
Speaker 1: T shirt wearing an ever Last T shirt. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: that's how you go, there's Craig's where's Craig? He's the
Speaker 1: guy over there in the black ever Last T shirt.
Speaker 1: You know, that's how we can identify things.
Speaker 2: But you need it to drive the car, right, you
Speaker 2: need you need the physical experience, you need to go
Speaker 2: to drive the experience. Right, That's that's why it's there.
Speaker 2: So you need to have these things, but they're not you.
Speaker 2: It's I think Peter Crone says this, I'm going to
Speaker 2: rip him off here, right, But it's like us driving
Speaker 2: a car with me thinking the weather car.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And also I reckon there's another part to that,
Speaker 1: and that is I think the car, the car, the
Speaker 1: car that we're driving, has got so much more potential
Speaker 1: than we understand. It's like even with I was talking
Speaker 1: to somebody the other day, and I need to tread
Speaker 1: carefully here because this is just what I think, and
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I feel like we humans
Speaker 1: have pretty much the ability to heal ourselves from anything.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a few variables and a few caveats
Speaker 1: around that. But I think that the problem is that
Speaker 1: we don't know how to drive our own body. We
Speaker 1: don't know how to harness our own capacity and potential.
Speaker 1: We don't realize and I mean realize in the cognitive sense,
Speaker 1: but also in the behavioral output sense. We don't realize
Speaker 1: how fucking amazing we can be and that you know
Speaker 1: you said before you're fascinated with the mind. Me too.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with potential and not oh how many listeners
Speaker 1: can you get or how much dough can you make?
Speaker 1: But just you know, we had a guy and called
Speaker 1: Professor Jeffrey Retteger from Harvard Medical School. And if you
Speaker 1: haven't heard that, you'd like that. So he's a research
Speaker 1: he's an academic, he's a psychiatrist, a medical doctor. And
Speaker 1: he kept getting over time these people going hey, doc,
Speaker 1: could you look at this? And it was all of
Speaker 1: these cases of people who had terminal illnesses who ended
Speaker 1: up being healed, like not in remission, no nothing, no disease,
Speaker 1: and he's like, noth doesn't happen, not can't happen. And
Speaker 1: eventually someone that he really trusted went hey, bro, check
Speaker 1: this out. And he went all right, and then he went,
Speaker 1: well that doesn't make any sense. Give me another one.
Speaker 1: And he went, well, fuck, that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: So he became this reluctant researcher into this area where
Speaker 1: and this is just in his work, so it's probably millions,
Speaker 1: but in his work it's hundreds and hundreds of people
Speaker 1: who have been fully healed from shit where medically there
Speaker 1: is zero hope for recovery. Now you go, well, all right,
Speaker 1: so we don't need to understand how that works, but
Speaker 1: we need to go. But it's possible. Well that's just
Speaker 1: the exciting bit to me. Oh it's possible. It's not probable,
Speaker 1: but it's possible. How do I move from probable, sorry,
Speaker 1: possible to probable? What can I do? And like even
Speaker 1: when you know, like part of my and this is selfish,
Speaker 1: this is my personal agenda. But I don't want to look,
Speaker 1: feel or function. I don't really care about the look
Speaker 1: too much, but I don't want to fuel, function, operate
Speaker 1: like a sixty one year old, not because sixty one
Speaker 1: year olds are bad, but because most sixty one year
Speaker 1: old Australian blokes they're really on the slide. Like they're physically, emotionally, mentally, behaviorally,
Speaker 1: fucking everything's on the slide. Now. A big part of that,
Speaker 1: not all of it, but a big part of that
Speaker 1: is choices and behaviors and lifestyle and food and exercise
Speaker 1: and mindset and behaviors and patterns and rituals and habits. Right, oh, well,
Speaker 1: all of those things are in my control. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: easier said than done. Craig, Yes it is, Brian, yes
Speaker 1: it is. Of course, it's fucking easier said than done. Literally,
Speaker 1: everything is easier said than done. But it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: it's not possible. And then when you go, oh, what
Speaker 1: if I can get my self limiting thinking and my
Speaker 1: shitty beliefs and all that programming and conditioning that I
Speaker 1: wear around like a heavy coat, a heavy self limiting coat.
Speaker 1: What if I can discard that bullshit and without being
Speaker 1: weird or you know, unrealistic, but just push back the
Speaker 1: curtain and go, fuck, what's behind this curtain?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Could I Could I be seventy years old in nine
Speaker 1: years and have the mental acuity and sharpness and psychology
Speaker 1: and physiology and neurology and you know, cardiology of a
Speaker 1: healthy forty five year old? Could I do that? Well?
Speaker 1: The answer is I don't know, but I'm going to see.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to do everything possible. If I
Speaker 1: get hit by lass next Wednesday, I do.
Speaker 2: But let's yeah, that's like most people want to push
Speaker 2: the barrow about something happened to me thirty five years ago,
Speaker 2: and I get to push that agenda as to the
Speaker 2: reasons why while I is like this because it's easy.
Speaker 1: Well, it also it gives you sympathy, and it gives
Speaker 1: you attention, and it gives you validation for the shit
Speaker 1: that you're not doing. And I let me give your
Speaker 1: fucking cuddle and a backgrub. No fuck all that.
Speaker 2: Like the same thing is about like I've got badgenetics, Like, no,
Speaker 2: you're just lazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, now you've opened the door. Bad genetics are
Speaker 1: real everyone. But also some people are lazy. Those things
Speaker 1: are true, you know. And it's like, I mean some people,
Speaker 1: you know, five year olds get cancer, So there are
Speaker 1: lots of variables that are out of our control. The
Speaker 1: other day when you and I spoke and you kind
Speaker 1: of touched on this, but I maybe want you to
Speaker 1: go a little bit deeper, if you would. You were
Speaker 1: telling me about this experience that you had where and
Speaker 1: it's not that you didn't love your wife or kids
Speaker 1: or your family. You did, but you had this experience
Speaker 1: where you thought you were dying and you were terrified.
Speaker 1: This was when you were on a journey. Yeah, yeah, correct,
Speaker 1: correct me if I get any of this. But you're
Speaker 1: on a journey, You're in an altered state for want
Speaker 1: of a better term. And in this place that you're
Speaker 1: in in inverted commas, this place you thought you were
Speaker 1: going to die, and you had all the terror associated
Speaker 1: with that feeling like you're going to die experience. And
Speaker 1: then I'm not sure if you said, but I feel
Speaker 1: like you said in the moment that I just gave
Speaker 1: over to dying, it was like something magical happened, and
Speaker 1: you came out of that with a profound love for
Speaker 1: your family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: This is what we're saying is going into these journeys,
Speaker 2: it's not you'd be very very careful how you do
Speaker 2: it and who you do it with, because it can
Speaker 2: go very badly, very quickly. And like you were, with you,
Speaker 2: I've got a very number of skilled people around us
Speaker 2: that can help us out. And in that space, one
Speaker 2: of my mates actually helped me out because I was
Speaker 2: in a bad place.
Speaker 3: But that was the thing. I I was the on
Speaker 3: the couch.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I thought that I was not
Speaker 2: coming home. I was I had died, Like, all right,
Speaker 2: I'm dead, and I'm in this place of going through
Speaker 2: this year thing and I'm seeing this thing in the
Speaker 2: future about Vanessa waking up the next day. I haven't
Speaker 2: come home. She's freaking out what's going on? The kids
Speaker 2: are screaming because my Daddy's dead. Daddy is dead, and
Speaker 2: I'm ball of eyes out, literally ball of eyes out.
Speaker 2: What have I done?
Speaker 3: How stupid am I?
Speaker 2: And then going through and seeing their life without me
Speaker 2: being there, and I was just continually just one of
Speaker 2: the guys. Guy's wives are there, said like I was
Speaker 2: literally sobbing, like for it.
Speaker 3: It wasn't growing. It was sobbing.
Speaker 2: And then I just had this moment, well, if I'm dead,
Speaker 2: I'm dead.
Speaker 3: I'm just get used to it.
Speaker 2: I was just accept the fact that I've died and
Speaker 2: this is what's happened. And in that moment, I actually
Speaker 2: just let go and just went, Okay, I'm dead. Then
Speaker 2: then it shifted, like that's the thing with psychedelics. It
Speaker 2: pushes again to the edge and you have these layers
Speaker 2: of things you let go of and then reveals on
Speaker 2: the other side that you're what you're afraid of was
Speaker 2: nothing to be afraid of. It didn't go through that
Speaker 2: gate per se to open another part. And then on
Speaker 2: the other side is that then I saw that you
Speaker 2: know the construct of my reality is, you know why
Speaker 2: they're in my reality and how I've created them and
Speaker 2: know what they are and the profound love that we
Speaker 2: have together and and I you know, again melted into
Speaker 2: the universe and it went beyond that into another place
Speaker 2: where you know you and this again, this is pretty weird,
Speaker 2: but you're in this place of going, well, I just
Speaker 2: created a universe and everything in here is a construct
Speaker 2: that's a game, and I created all the construct of
Speaker 2: the game through through an experience for fun, just because
Speaker 2: I could. And I was thinking about and even that
Speaker 2: space like, well, we had the question about what is God,
Speaker 2: and it's like, well, God's created in this universe to
Speaker 2: play the game, to play the construct of this universe,
Speaker 2: because without a supreme divine being, then that doesn't play
Speaker 2: to the game code, right, So so it's sort of
Speaker 2: like simulation theory kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Is that I created all this stuff inside this.
Speaker 2: Universe which create which has codes in there so we
Speaker 2: can actually play the game to have the experience. So
Speaker 2: for me to have this experience, I don't have all
Speaker 2: these other things that he'd actually to do that. So
Speaker 2: and there's the universes I've created to have different experiences.
Speaker 3: So it gets weird.
Speaker 1: I love it so I wanted to ask you, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're not being a weird you know, psychedelic cosmonaut
Speaker 1: fucking exploring the outer reaches of I was going to
Speaker 1: say the human experience, but the human experience and beyond
Speaker 1: you're a boring banker, Well you're not. But you you
Speaker 1: work in that space and you're working with, you know,
Speaker 1: people in the corporate space, and what is what is
Speaker 1: it that what's the intersection of greg both gregs and
Speaker 1: bringing both gregs into that space? Like, for example, I
Speaker 1: think what I bring into the corporate space because I'm
Speaker 1: not a corporate, but I play in the corporate space regularly.
Speaker 1: But I understand corporate. I can talk corporate. I understand business.
Speaker 1: I've owned my own business, so I've built, developed, been
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, employed hundreds of people, so I get it.
Speaker 1: So I can plain that space. But I can also
Speaker 1: talk like the bloke next door. And I don't wear
Speaker 1: a suit, so I bring a certain you know whatever
Speaker 1: that seems to work, right. I'm not the best at it,
Speaker 1: but I'm okay, what is it that you are bringing
Speaker 1: into that space now? And how do you integrate some
Speaker 1: of your more you know, out there stuff for want
Speaker 1: of a better term. The term didn't come to mind,
Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying in integrated into a
Speaker 1: model or a service that helps people not only at
Speaker 1: work can be good at what they do as as
Speaker 1: the managers, but also help them self, regulate and look
Speaker 1: after them.
Speaker 3: So it probably goes back and you know the whole
Speaker 3: slow is the next stuff. Why do you do this?
Speaker 2: Why are you're so passionate about bringing you know, high performance,
Speaker 2: you know, with a certain you know, EQ plus intuition
Speaker 2: plus human behavior into the workplace. When I was you know,
Speaker 2: this is between the jobs in the banks, was working Oerica.
Speaker 2: We had a a stuff survey that came out and
Speaker 2: was we had a probably very poor rating.
Speaker 3: So they had the whole.
Speaker 2: Of the department, one hundred twenty odd people there with
Speaker 2: HR asking about why the you know, the rating was
Speaker 2: so low on the workplace feedback and the HR chit
Speaker 2: come out and she basically said, you know, it's we
Speaker 2: don't understand it. All that kind of stuff. You know,
Speaker 2: you can walk into my office anytime you want to.
Speaker 2: You should be able to come in here and talk
Speaker 2: about this stuff. You're really concerned about this, you know,
Speaker 2: you should be able to trust me. And remember there
Speaker 2: was a lady sitting next to me, Rosie, and she
Speaker 2: just laughs. She goes, she's got no idea how she
Speaker 2: and me. At that stage, I was young Mark. I
Speaker 2: thought I could just put my hand up and say something,
Speaker 2: so I did. I said to the tage Hila, I said, okay, right,
Speaker 2: you've said all this stuff, but if you wanted us
Speaker 2: to come into your office and actually talk about some
Speaker 2: of the issues we've got here, you have to have trust.
Speaker 3: I said.
Speaker 2: To have trust, you must know our names. I said,
Speaker 2: what's my name? You couldn't answer it.
Speaker 3: I said what's her name? She couldn't answer it.
Speaker 2: Two hours later, I was officially told to leave the company.
Speaker 2: I went to the general manager's office. You said, Greg,
Speaker 2: your career here at is effectively over. I'll write your
Speaker 2: a glowing reference, but we'll get you a job somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Really, they seem like good questions to me.
Speaker 2: Literally to hour, I was literally walked in the general
Speaker 2: manager's office and said, your career is now officially over.
Speaker 1: Why What was the reason? I think we all knew, right,
Speaker 1: so they didn't explain it.
Speaker 2: No, no, but we knew I've embarrassed the crap out
Speaker 2: of her like millions, because it was I'm seeing your
Speaker 2: people in that room, like real senior people, and I
Speaker 2: had really embarrassed. I'd see what everybody else was wanted
Speaker 2: to say, right, And that's sort of my personality. I'm
Speaker 2: happy to stick up to the little guys. Right, it's
Speaker 2: probably my you know, my family's all labor politicians, right,
Speaker 2: that genetics in there, and but.
Speaker 3: It really it really irks me, like I have this sort.
Speaker 2: Of value I'm very sometimes righteous, but very value driven
Speaker 2: in the space about people, and I love. I want
Speaker 2: people to be the best they can be. And where
Speaker 2: we're having situations like that where people are just full
Speaker 2: of share it, I just had to speak up. I
Speaker 2: couldn't sit there and not say anything, otherwise I would
Speaker 2: have not been able to look in the mirror.
Speaker 3: The next day. Hidesight greatest Togever. Right.
Speaker 2: I walked into a job two weeks later and double
Speaker 2: the salary, right, thank you very much. Right, But that
Speaker 2: really set the terms of Okay, well, why is HR there?
Speaker 2: Are they there for the people who are there for
Speaker 2: the company? So I sadden really delving into that stuff
Speaker 2: and then going okay, well, what's the leadship about you know,
Speaker 2: and then I'll start going into Okay, most companies, most
Speaker 2: businesses have managers in place because they can do something
Speaker 2: or achieve something, or bundance a spreadsheet, or governance requests
Speaker 2: or stakeholder engagements. They can do a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: They're not people leaders, and they're different roles. But too
Speaker 2: often in businesses and corporations, we let these people who
Speaker 2: are very analytical, who are very good at their job,
Speaker 2: we're given roles that include managing people. They're not the
Speaker 2: same and they will never ever be the same. And
Speaker 2: I think it's unfair on people in those positions to
Speaker 2: be giving people leader roles because they're ineffective. And this
Speaker 2: is where you get to all these places where people
Speaker 2: are miserable. And we talked the other day about, you know,
Speaker 2: people going to work in these corporate environments, are they
Speaker 2: just rocking up or they really inspired in the job,
Speaker 2: And most people aren't. Most just rocking up to pay
Speaker 2: the bills. They're not motivated to be there. So I'm
Speaker 2: really fascinated about that. And then I remember walking in
Speaker 2: to one room with their leaders one day and I say,
Speaker 2: you guys, are all people leaders? Tell me the effect
Speaker 2: of stress on the brain and how it affects your
Speaker 2: team's performance.
Speaker 3: All of them can answer it. Not one.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, okay, right, do you understand any of
Speaker 2: this stuff? Like they had no idea, like none, and
Speaker 2: these they led teams of forty to fifty people and
Speaker 2: then realize why their.
Speaker 3: Teams are crap.
Speaker 2: And I said, look, do you know that person out
Speaker 2: there who's on any depressants what that does to her work.
Speaker 3: Ethics and what work performance?
Speaker 2: You have any idea what's going home on a home
Speaker 2: for her behind the scenes, because that's affecting her work
Speaker 2: performance as well your people.
Speaker 3: Leaders, you don't know this about your staff.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a real lack of connection and so
Speaker 2: and a lot of places don't actually want to do it.
Speaker 2: They'll go and do an r U okay day, put
Speaker 2: some cupcakes out, put themselves on the back and say, hey,
Speaker 2: we're doing you know, we're doing We're doing what we
Speaker 2: need to to tick a box that says where we're
Speaker 2: a progressive company that cares about people's you know, mental
Speaker 2: well being. They don't, because two hours later they're going
Speaker 2: back into the same ship they came from.
Speaker 1: It's so fun.
Speaker 2: Leaders are so afraid to do actually make the that
Speaker 2: the stats back it up. You can look up any gartner,
Speaker 2: you know, McKinley, Harvard, Yale, across the board. What having
Speaker 2: you know, proper leadership in your business does for performance
Speaker 2: and profit and happiness and staff turnover and innovation like
Speaker 2: it's but they just don't want to invest.
Speaker 1: No. And also, while there are great leaders, there are
Speaker 1: terrible leaders, and there are leaders that can't even get
Speaker 1: their own shit together. There are leaders people in leadership
Speaker 1: positions at least or management or senior positions, who are
Speaker 1: no hate here but themselves their they're train wrecks and
Speaker 1: they can't get their own shit together or manage their
Speaker 1: own life for whatever reason. And then they're put in
Speaker 1: charge of a whole lot of other people. And it's
Speaker 1: not that it's their job to manage everyone's lives, but
Speaker 1: as you kind of infer, like, we need to at
Speaker 1: least understand our people and genuinely care for our people,
Speaker 1: like genuinely, like not be seen to care, actually not
Speaker 1: fucking simulated empathy, real empathy. And I have this conversation regularly, Greg,
Speaker 1: where I have you know before I've told you this,
Speaker 1: but for the listeners. You know, one of the things
Speaker 1: that when you're a corporate speaker, everyone pretty much every
Speaker 1: time you do a gig, you'll have a meeting a
Speaker 1: week or a month before or whatever it is, and
Speaker 1: they will want to brief you on the event. Okay, Craig,
Speaker 1: this is the name of our conference, this is the theme.
Speaker 1: You'll speaker number one or ten or you know. Next week,
Speaker 1: I'm going away and I'm the only speaker. I'm doing
Speaker 1: a half day with an organization. And then there's the Okay.
Speaker 1: So like a lot of times, it's especially with companies
Speaker 1: that I'm new to. Essentially, we want you to come
Speaker 1: in and rev them up and get them all pumped
Speaker 1: because the culture is a bit shit and the energy
Speaker 1: is a bit flat, sales are a bit down, and
Speaker 1: we want you to just fucking you know. The bottom
Speaker 1: line is we want we want to sell more shits
Speaker 1: and we want to make more go and whatever you
Speaker 1: need to do to them to get them to do that,
Speaker 1: that's what we want you to do. Like, Okay, how
Speaker 1: about we don't treat them like they're a cog in
Speaker 1: a money making machine. Let's start with that. Let's start
Speaker 1: with how are you feeling let's start with how's your health?
Speaker 1: Are you sleeping? Are you eating well? Are you moving well?
Speaker 1: Here's one? How do you feel when you're at work?
Speaker 1: Here's another one? Do you look forward to coming to work?
Speaker 1: Do you feel safe? Do you feel seen and valued?
Speaker 1: Are you okay? Do you want to be here? Oh?
Speaker 1: And they're like, what what I go? How about we
Speaker 1: just look after them as best we can, right what
Speaker 1: is appropriate, and maybe the byproduct is maybe that they'll
Speaker 1: just be better at whatever it is that they do.
Speaker 1: You know, like, if I'm my job is to sell widgets,
Speaker 1: and I'm physically, mentally, emotionally a better place than I
Speaker 1: was before Greg came to talk to our team. And
Speaker 1: now Greg's been working with our team for the last
Speaker 1: ten weeks and giving me advice and us as a
Speaker 1: collective strategies and insights and tools and resources. And I've
Speaker 1: been operationalizing all the theory he's been downloading. And now
Speaker 1: ten weeks later, I'm sleeping like a fucking winner. I
Speaker 1: feel good, I'm less depressed, I'm more happy, I'm more
Speaker 1: solution focused. I'm problem aware, but I'm solution focused and
Speaker 1: now I'm great. So guess what without even focusing on
Speaker 1: my job. I'm way better for the company. Correct, And
Speaker 1: nobody even needs to talk about the bottom line or
Speaker 1: productivity or efficiency. You don't even need to talk about it.
Speaker 1: You just need to go, hey, Craig, how are you?
Speaker 2: You know where people have those awkward conversations like you
Speaker 2: to sit down and have a conversation across a cup
Speaker 2: of coffee.
Speaker 3: That's you see.
Speaker 2: Leaders, they just they don't know how to do it
Speaker 2: driving They hey, give me a Stutter's pack to update
Speaker 2: my program's performance and my But then in the human
Speaker 2: contact they struggle at massively, Like it's a skill set
Speaker 2: that if you learn emotional intelligence and you know and
Speaker 2: how humans work, that's the next.
Speaker 3: Frontier for most people. Everybody should be learning this.
Speaker 1: And I think, just like you and I are talking,
Speaker 1: it's like you, you, Greg and me, we need to
Speaker 1: do a deep dive on ourselves, which I think we
Speaker 1: both constantly do. I need to make sure that before
Speaker 1: I tell anyone else or share it with anyone else
Speaker 1: or direct or coach that at the very least I'm
Speaker 1: doing all of this for myself first, so that at
Speaker 1: the very least I'm doing my best to walk my talk.
Speaker 1: Because you know, as without going back to my research,
Speaker 1: but it's very relevant. When I go in and I
Speaker 1: say to a boss, him or her, what do you
Speaker 1: think it's like being around you for them? Yeah, the
Speaker 1: response is generally somewhere in the I'm not sure, or
Speaker 1: I've never really thought about that, or I don't really care.
Speaker 1: They just need to do the job. I'm not their friend.
Speaker 1: It's very very few of them say, well, that's a
Speaker 1: fucking great question. Let's lean into that together. Craig let's
Speaker 1: and I'm like you now, that's not saying we need
Speaker 1: to worry about whether or not people like us. That's
Speaker 1: a different thing. What we are talking about is awareness,
Speaker 1: situational awareness, context awareness. What is the Craig experience? Like
Speaker 1: you know, It's like, imagine, I thought I'm pretty good
Speaker 1: at podcasting, and every time I do a podcast, everyone
Speaker 1: thinks it's fucking diabolical. Well, three episodes in, I don't
Speaker 1: have a podcast. I don't have an audience, right, Which
Speaker 1: is not to say I think i'm acid it because
Speaker 1: I'm two thousand episodes almost down. It's like, I'm still
Speaker 1: aware that I've got to learn and grow and evolve
Speaker 1: and be better. I'm working to do that. But I
Speaker 1: must I know, I must be doing something okay, and
Speaker 1: so too with leaders, like if you're not walking your talk,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to listen to you because I pay
Speaker 1: way more attention to what you do than what you say.
Speaker 1: So when you are, even if it makes sense, and
Speaker 1: even if you're clever and articulate and you've got leadership skills,
Speaker 1: if I know that you don't do what you tell
Speaker 1: me to do, one no trust, no respect, and two
Speaker 1: I'm probably not going to do it because it's not
Speaker 1: the culture.
Speaker 2: Here correct exactly right, and you mention the word trust.
Speaker 2: They are like augustly the other day is like, if
Speaker 2: you want to leader the people, you have to have
Speaker 2: led yourself first. You can't get people to do things
Speaker 2: you're not willing to do yourself. And people can see it, right,
Speaker 2: people will call the bullshit media straight away. They consider
Speaker 2: the fact that if you're just telling people to do
Speaker 2: the work and you're doing yourself, you're a hypocrite and
Speaker 2: the things will fall around you very very quickly. But
Speaker 2: even to the point where look, I walk in the
Speaker 2: people's place, they go, Okay, what's your personal brand? Talking
Speaker 2: about greet that's my brand. It's like you know, what
Speaker 2: is your brand, which is your values?
Speaker 3: How you act?
Speaker 2: What do you stand for? People just don't have them
Speaker 2: like this. These are the questions I don't ask themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they are great questions.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, how do you talk?
Speaker 2: So if someone said, you know, my brand is you
Speaker 2: know how I articulate myself as the magician of the
Speaker 2: sage and the outlaw. So you'll see that I'm about transformation,
Speaker 2: deep wisdom, and I call a spade of spade and
Speaker 2: I break the rules. That's how I talk, right. Yes,
Speaker 2: that requires certain values associated with that as well too,
Speaker 2: So that's how I will, you know, sort of lived
Speaker 2: my life in that space. Some people have been more caregivers,
Speaker 2: some people, you know whatever, they ask more jovial. But
Speaker 2: there are questions that the eternal investment on those questions
Speaker 2: are huge.
Speaker 3: They're massive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we're nearly done. I've got a couple
Speaker 1: of questions and I'm going to let you get back
Speaker 1: to your family. What is something in the last however
Speaker 1: many years that you got wrong, absolutely wrong. That's question
Speaker 1: one and question two, and they may or may not
Speaker 1: be related. Question one is what did you get wrong?
Speaker 1: Question two is what have you changed? Your mind about
Speaker 1: or perhaps one of you, what have you done a
Speaker 1: one eighty on.
Speaker 3: Well have I got wrong?
Speaker 2: The hardest thing is working from home is because I'm here,
Speaker 2: but I'm not here right. And some of the things
Speaker 2: is that I'm not sometimes the best listener.
Speaker 3: Right, that I will actually be.
Speaker 2: Here, but I won't be here because I'm actually my
Speaker 2: mind somewhere else. And something I'm very much aware of
Speaker 2: I have to sort of work on a lot more
Speaker 2: is that, you know, my thing is my family, but
Speaker 2: I need to actively listen a lot more than I
Speaker 2: had because there's so much going on, especially around that time,
Speaker 2: those last three ideas. There's so much going through my
Speaker 2: head that I need to be more present.
Speaker 3: And again like it's I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm grateful that I did that, because it's again it's
Speaker 2: showing me a skill set that I need to develop.
Speaker 2: Like without not listening, I listen to my clients very deeply,
Speaker 2: but then I wasn't doing it with you know, at home.
Speaker 2: And I can get into this whole thing about Greg.
Speaker 2: You're an idiot, gregor're a dick, You're doing it wrong?
Speaker 2: You know, the whole poor me syndrome or you can
Speaker 2: go that is showing me the ability to develop a
Speaker 2: skill set.
Speaker 3: Yeah in other ways. So so that yeah.
Speaker 2: I got that wrong, and I had been for a while,
Speaker 2: and that has its impacts in its way. So especially
Speaker 2: when you're having this deep, you know, listening aspect with
Speaker 2: clients and they're going like, God, just listen to me.
Speaker 2: I never people, just you care so much, and then
Speaker 2: you know I'm blank with you know, in other aspects.
Speaker 3: Right, So so that balls it up completely completely.
Speaker 1: And something you've changed your mind about where you thought X,
Speaker 1: and now you think why perhaps if.
Speaker 3: Anything political.
Speaker 2: Let's say left versus right stuff right, as far as
Speaker 2: you don't there's some of the one same as the
Speaker 2: one thing. Okay, they're they're fighting for the same stuff,
Speaker 2: just in different aspects in different ways, but the they
Speaker 2: both need each other to exist, and one kind of
Speaker 2: exist without the other. But they also provide a very
Speaker 2: very you know, amazing sort of duality. Whereas I was
Speaker 2: always probably probably more center right in the space, now
Speaker 2: I've sort of been trying to understand the the experience
Speaker 2: of the of the left side of stuff and see
Speaker 2: what you're coming from and kind of go, well, maybe
Speaker 2: I do have that part wrong in what I thought previously,
Speaker 2: so so in that space.
Speaker 3: Look, and that's the thing is about you.
Speaker 2: If you I have a fixed mindset and you always
Speaker 2: come from that way, and you say, like I said before,
Speaker 2: my way is the only way, you know, you sort
Speaker 2: of just you can't grow from that place. Yeah, as
Speaker 2: be challenged by some of the aspects of different thinking
Speaker 2: to what I've got that the way, rather just dismiss it,
Speaker 2: try and actually understand why they're actually saying what they're saying.
Speaker 3: And yeah, in some ways that.
Speaker 2: Okay, I can see why that's that's there, and I
Speaker 2: have empathy with that, but I can accept that as
Speaker 2: well too.
Speaker 1: Last question, probably every I mean if people are fit
Speaker 1: and healthy, not injured people or sick people. But in
Speaker 1: general terms, every human can run at some stage, right,
Speaker 1: you know, if I can go outside and run. I
Speaker 1: don't run like the wind, and I don't run beautifully,
Speaker 1: but I can go and run. Everyone but not everyone
Speaker 1: is a runner, so to speak, Right, does everyone have
Speaker 1: potential for psychic ability? Like obviously you know some people
Speaker 1: have a gift. Not everybody has a gift. But yeah,
Speaker 1: is it trainable? Is it teachable? Is it a skill?
Speaker 1: Is it a gift? Is it a trait. Explain it
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: So I'll give you another metaphor anology kind of thing.
Speaker 2: I can learn to play the piano. I can train
Speaker 2: hard enough, I can learn. I can learn the scales,
Speaker 2: I learn the frameworks of it. I can play good tune.
Speaker 2: I can play some really good music. There'll never be Mozart. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sometimes people are just born with shit that yeah, far
Speaker 2: beyond what other people can experience. Does that stop them
Speaker 2: from actually learn to play the piano? Play the piano?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Right? So do you think like you obviously have a gift?
Speaker 3: Do you?
Speaker 1: I know it's not the last question, but it's the
Speaker 1: last topic, so it's almost the last question. And so
Speaker 1: you won, you won a TV show which was called
Speaker 1: The One, and on that you were crowned for what
Speaker 1: a better term, Australia's best psychic, right, and then you
Speaker 1: said you kind of did that. You worked as a
Speaker 1: psychic for a year and full time ish was it?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then you went nah, after a year, why is
Speaker 1: the guy with that gift? Is it? What is the
Speaker 1: I feel like that could be really fucking exhausting or like,
Speaker 1: why did you stop.
Speaker 2: I think from I couldn't let people walk out of
Speaker 2: a room, knowing that I could have helped them a
Speaker 2: lot more that they hadn't. They got what they thought
Speaker 2: they wanted, but obviously going that's not really what needs
Speaker 2: to happen, because that's the problem with you can just
Speaker 2: do the normal psychic stuff, which would be oh, okay, okay, Sally,
Speaker 2: come in here, you're here, okay, you're looking for a likeationship.
Speaker 2: I see in October that there's a guy coming forward.
Speaker 2: His name is Dave, and Dave's going to be this
Speaker 2: guy who swoops you off your feet and you live happily,
Speaker 2: going to have two children, one boy, one girl. Was
Speaker 2: going to green eyes, want to be very intelligent, and
Speaker 2: you're going to then travel the world. Right, Everyone wants
Speaker 2: to hear that story. Every person wants to come, especially
Speaker 2: you know, females when they came for a reading. Was
Speaker 2: about mostly about relationships.
Speaker 3: And it feels good. It hits that dope. For me,
Speaker 3: it was okay, right, I'm going to I am going
Speaker 3: to be okay.
Speaker 2: You know, a psychic told me I'm going to meet
Speaker 2: this person sometime in the future and that I don't
Speaker 2: have to do anything, and he's going to be the
Speaker 2: nineteen Shining armor that I want now. Ninety nine point
Speaker 2: nine nine percent of the time it wouldn't even happen.
Speaker 2: But I was sitting in front of Sally and go, Sally,
Speaker 2: you've just come from three relationships. One cheated on you,
Speaker 2: one was abusive, and one showed you no connection. How
Speaker 2: about we deal with that? No, Greg, that's why I'm
Speaker 2: I'm not here for that. I want you to tell
Speaker 2: me where my new soul made is. No, Sally, your
Speaker 2: soul I ain't coming. The only person coming your way
Speaker 2: is more trauma. Greg, Am I paying for this? I
Speaker 2: want you to tell me where's my soulmate?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: So I struggle with the ethics behind what I was doing.
Speaker 2: I really struggle with the factors. She's in the world
Speaker 2: of pain she doesn't know about, and I'm trying to
Speaker 2: help her to realize that she needs to work on
Speaker 2: herself and do this before she could even go into
Speaker 2: another relationship.
Speaker 3: But that's not what they get.
Speaker 2: Most people go to a mind, body, spirit or some
Speaker 2: kind of psychic and they get told what they want
Speaker 2: to hear. The dopamine, the ego boost, it's going to
Speaker 2: be you're going to be rich and famous, all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff without any kind of sense of you know,
Speaker 2: why are you there in my seat, why are you
Speaker 2: sitting here in front of me right now in this place?
Speaker 2: Because they need something, they want something, There's something there
Speaker 2: from the work on.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting because even in the world of you know,
Speaker 1: changing your body, often the thing that people need to
Speaker 1: hear is not what they want to hear. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I can tell you. I've said this to audiences, you know,
Speaker 1: when we're maybe we're going around in circles with something
Speaker 1: and I go, or someone's asked something and I go, look,
Speaker 1: I can tell you the truth, or I can tell
Speaker 1: you what you want to hear. What do you guys want?
Speaker 1: And they go reluctantly true. I'm like, look, you know,
Speaker 1: here's here's the deal. Like, the path that you might
Speaker 1: need to take might fucking suck, but you'll learn and
Speaker 1: grow and evolve and build skill and understanding and awareness
Speaker 1: and resilience and maybe you'll create an amazing outcome. But
Speaker 1: sitting on the couch on your phone or watching Netflix
Speaker 1: and eating shit and doom scrolling and complaining and being
Speaker 1: a victim and throwing yourself a pity party thirty two
Speaker 1: times a fucking month that's that's it's understandable, but it's
Speaker 1: completely unhelpful. And even though in the moment it's a
Speaker 1: bit comfy and there's a bit of dopamine and a
Speaker 1: bit of familiarity, I get all of that. But maybe
Speaker 1: you need to throw all the shit out of the
Speaker 1: fridge and the pantry, and maybe you need to go
Speaker 1: for an uncomfortable job, or maybe you need to have
Speaker 1: a hard conversation, or maybe you need to look up
Speaker 1: and own up, you know, and just say hey, I'm
Speaker 1: you know, without self loathing. I'm the problem. That's the awareness,
Speaker 1: because there's a fair chance if your life shit, you
Speaker 1: might be involved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was unfortunately part of the I suppose that
Speaker 2: you're in this world where I was before actually doing readings.
Speaker 2: I was already doing you know, coaching, you know, before
Speaker 2: that anyway, So the children stuff was sort of on
Speaker 2: top of that. But the Psychic show threw me into
Speaker 2: the psychic world of tarot readers and that, which is
Speaker 2: all about predicting the future, and that's not how I worked,
Speaker 2: and that's why it just felt like I just can't
Speaker 2: do this. Like I still do readings for people, but
Speaker 2: it's very few and far between. But it's more in
Speaker 2: that coaching space where you're coming from a brutal reality
Speaker 2: check on what's really going on, and people who do
Speaker 2: value their value, they like, this is the greatest thing
Speaker 2: ever because it's a deep, deep sense of intuitive knowing
Speaker 2: about what's happening. But I couldn't sit there anymore and
Speaker 2: just go, I can't do this. I can't sit here
Speaker 2: forty sessions a week going no, you're not going to
Speaker 2: meet Dave in.
Speaker 3: October, but tell me.
Speaker 2: But the amount of times people came to me and
Speaker 2: be like a Psycha told me this, But that's like
Speaker 2: because she's got no idea what she taught me talked
Speaker 2: about before, Like most of them are just fake. Like
Speaker 2: I can get someone of the read I can teach
Speaker 2: some of the red Tarot cards and make them look fantastic.
Speaker 2: They'll have no psychic abil let's read the meaning of
Speaker 2: the cards. It's yeah, But also you got that thing
Speaker 2: about I was I was seeing people I didn't want
Speaker 2: to see.
Speaker 3: I was seeing people who just wanted to be told it.
Speaker 2: Was going to be okay without doing any work, and
Speaker 2: it burnt me out, Like I was, I hated it.
Speaker 2: In the end, It's like I was not doing what
Speaker 2: I wanted to do, and I was not working with
Speaker 2: people I wanted to work with, and it just became
Speaker 2: this complete. I just hated it. I hated doing it.
Speaker 2: Going well, why so I stopped?
Speaker 1: Have you ever met anyone? Last one? Then we're gone.
Speaker 1: Have you ever met anyone who's just got like a
Speaker 1: true supernatural, freaky gift where you're like this person is
Speaker 1: is that is the motart, that is the you ever
Speaker 1: met anyone like that?
Speaker 2: Or no, not the in person something like say John Edward,
Speaker 2: I've never met him, probably has some gifts of the
Speaker 2: kind of stuff you know, you've got, Paul Seligg's all
Speaker 2: the world You've got. Uh, there's a few people that
Speaker 2: I could probably say probably got something, but I've never
Speaker 2: met them personally, so I don't know. So I can't
Speaker 2: sort of say I keep to myself quite a fair
Speaker 2: but I don't sort of associate in those kind of
Speaker 2: worlds too much.
Speaker 3: So but yeah, it's it's it's fee and father to me.
Speaker 1: Well, mate, I love chatting with you, and thanks for
Speaker 1: not keeping to yourself today. You did the opposite of
Speaker 1: keeping to yourself today, so it could have been a
Speaker 1: pretty short podcast if you had a hey, do you
Speaker 1: want people to find you or connect with you or
Speaker 1: follow you on some social media thing or do you
Speaker 1: not do that?
Speaker 2: Most of the stuff I do is on LinkedIn these days,
Speaker 2: especially around the leadership side, I think, so it's just
Speaker 2: you find me on Greg Rolly on LinkedIn. I quite
Speaker 2: often post three or four articles a week about leadership
Speaker 2: and poke the bear in that space. Otherwise she's going
Speaker 2: on my website, which is Greg Rolly dot com DoD
Speaker 2: au And yeah, so most of my stuff's pretty one
Speaker 2: on one and small group stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, So you heard him. If you've got heaps
Speaker 1: of cash, just reach out mate. We'll say goodbye, affair.
Speaker 1: But thanks for Ben on the You project. I loved it.
Speaker 3: Thanks Bartie, appreciate it.