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Speaker 1: Good team. I hope your bloody terrific. Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: installment the show. This is the continuation Slow Down, Craig.

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Speaker 1: This is the continuation of the chat with Greg Riley

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Speaker 1: and myself that we began yesterday. If you heard yesterday's show,

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Speaker 1: If you didn't, probably need to listen to that one first. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: here's part two. I loved this chat. I hope you

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Speaker 1: do too. So let's open another door, and that is

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Speaker 1: the the conversation around getting into altered states using various things.

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Speaker 2: We'll just say that, we'll just say that you I've been.

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Speaker 1: A psychedelic experimenter and but which is ironic because you are,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I love you. But this boring middle

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Speaker 1: so weird. Who doesn't smoke And I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you drink, but you definitely don't drink a lot, and

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Speaker 1: you're in good shape and you're fit, and you're an

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Speaker 1: how did that happen? How did you open the psychedelic door? Why? Why? Like?

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Speaker 1: What do you? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Look, it was a client rend me once and she

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Speaker 2: said I'm having these issues, can you help me?

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Speaker 3: And then after about talking about twenty it's.

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Speaker 2: Like, I can't help you with this, this stuff I

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Speaker 2: can't help you with and we're talking about, Okay, what

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Speaker 2: are you doing this weekend? I'm going up to this retreat. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to have to say, Ahascar retreat. And it's like, really,

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Speaker 2: I have done anything outside of my other recreational drugs

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Speaker 2: I shoved in my body when my early twenties, I

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Speaker 2: and you go around. Basically you drink aoh oscar and

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Speaker 2: you go around the circle. And I was second up,

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Speaker 2: and I like to think that due to my history

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Speaker 2: that can probably take a fair bit of you know, substances.

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Speaker 3: And they gave.

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Speaker 2: Me a fair light dose first up, and then so

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Speaker 3: I really got to person seven and I was on

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Speaker 2: I gone, literally, I was out cold like that. Had

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Speaker 2: The next moment I wake up, this has probably been

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Speaker 2: I thought, oh, I should kissed myself like I felt

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Speaker 2: like I had actually bet the bed and then Greg okay.

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Speaker 2: So I woke up basically and the Sharman's over me.

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Speaker 2: He's blowing smoking me, someone girl singing, He's got all

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Speaker 3: And I went I think I was just weave myst it.

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Speaker 2: I felt good since then, But that was the first

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Speaker 1: Hang on, hang on, just fucking steady on back, hang on,

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Speaker 2: arapeutical uses of psychedelics in that space. So mainly the AOASCAR.

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Speaker 2: So so you sort of but it's all about therapeutic use.

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Speaker 2: The spiritual healing of these plants a lay to access

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Speaker 2: So that's why people get a bit funny with the

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Speaker 4: that's all there is, well one, i'd be wrong too.

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Speaker 2: To with your mind, absolutely, because most people think they

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Speaker 1: there's no mind. We don't have a mind, just a conduct.

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Speaker 1: There's no such thing as greg.

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Speaker 2: Or go on, well greg was what I was told

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Speaker 2: I'm not my job, that's what I do, but it's

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Speaker 2: Those are all constructs of society and constructions to allow

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Speaker 2: there is again we go, there is no purpose to life.

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Speaker 2: must have a purpose. Life's purpose is to experience. That's it,

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Speaker 2: And that's something you do. The only pure purpose of

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Speaker 1: after them.

436
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Speaker 3: So it probably goes back and you know the whole

437
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Speaker 3: slow is the next stuff. Why do you do this?

438
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Speaker 2: Why are you're so passionate about bringing you know, high performance,

439
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 2: you know, with a certain you know, EQ plus intuition

440
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: plus human behavior into the workplace. When I was you know,

441
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: this is between the jobs in the banks, was working Oerica.

442
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: We had a a stuff survey that came out and

443
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 2: was we had a probably very poor rating.

444
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Speaker 3: So they had the whole.

445
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 2: Of the department, one hundred twenty odd people there with

446
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: HR asking about why the you know, the rating was

447
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: so low on the workplace feedback and the HR chit

448
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 2: come out and she basically said, you know, it's we

449
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 2: don't understand it. All that kind of stuff. You know,

450
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 2: you can walk into my office anytime you want to.

451
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 2: You should be able to come in here and talk

452
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: about this stuff. You're really concerned about this, you know,

453
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 2: you should be able to trust me. And remember there

454
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: was a lady sitting next to me, Rosie, and she

455
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 2: just laughs. She goes, she's got no idea how she

456
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: and me. At that stage, I was young Mark. I

457
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: thought I could just put my hand up and say something,

458
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 2: so I did. I said to the tage Hila, I said, okay, right,

459
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 2: you've said all this stuff, but if you wanted us

460
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: to come into your office and actually talk about some

461
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: of the issues we've got here, you have to have trust.

462
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Speaker 3: I said.

463
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Speaker 2: To have trust, you must know our names. I said,

464
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: what's my name? You couldn't answer it.

465
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 3: I said what's her name? She couldn't answer it.

466
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 2: Two hours later, I was officially told to leave the company.

467
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: I went to the general manager's office. You said, Greg,

468
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 2: your career here at is effectively over. I'll write your

469
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 2: a glowing reference, but we'll get you a job somewhere else.

470
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Speaker 1: Really, they seem like good questions to me.

471
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: Literally to hour, I was literally walked in the general

472
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: manager's office and said, your career is now officially over.

473
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: Why What was the reason? I think we all knew, right,

474
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: so they didn't explain it.

475
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: No, no, but we knew I've embarrassed the crap out

476
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: of her like millions, because it was I'm seeing your

477
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: people in that room, like real senior people, and I

478
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 2: had really embarrassed. I'd see what everybody else was wanted

479
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: to say, right, And that's sort of my personality. I'm

480
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: happy to stick up to the little guys. Right, it's

481
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 2: probably my you know, my family's all labor politicians, right,

482
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: that genetics in there, and but.

483
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Speaker 3: It really it really irks me, like I have this sort.

484
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: Of value I'm very sometimes righteous, but very value driven

485
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 2: in the space about people, and I love. I want

486
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: people to be the best they can be. And where

487
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: we're having situations like that where people are just full

488
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: of share it, I just had to speak up. I

489
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 2: couldn't sit there and not say anything, otherwise I would

490
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: have not been able to look in the mirror.

491
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Speaker 3: The next day. Hidesight greatest Togever. Right.

492
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 2: I walked into a job two weeks later and double

493
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 2: the salary, right, thank you very much. Right, But that

494
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: really set the terms of Okay, well, why is HR there?

495
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: Are they there for the people who are there for

496
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: the company? So I sadden really delving into that stuff

497
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: and then going okay, well, what's the leadship about you know,

498
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 2: and then I'll start going into Okay, most companies, most

499
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 2: businesses have managers in place because they can do something

500
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: or achieve something, or bundance a spreadsheet, or governance requests

501
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: or stakeholder engagements. They can do a lot of stuff.

502
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 2: They're not people leaders, and they're different roles. But too

503
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 2: often in businesses and corporations, we let these people who

504
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 2: are very analytical, who are very good at their job,

505
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: we're given roles that include managing people. They're not the

506
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: same and they will never ever be the same. And

507
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: I think it's unfair on people in those positions to

508
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: be giving people leader roles because they're ineffective. And this

509
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: is where you get to all these places where people

510
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: are miserable. And we talked the other day about, you know,

511
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: people going to work in these corporate environments, are they

512
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 2: just rocking up or they really inspired in the job,

513
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: And most people aren't. Most just rocking up to pay

514
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: the bills. They're not motivated to be there. So I'm

515
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: really fascinated about that. And then I remember walking in

516
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: to one room with their leaders one day and I say,

517
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: you guys, are all people leaders? Tell me the effect

518
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 2: of stress on the brain and how it affects your

519
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: team's performance.

520
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: All of them can answer it. Not one.

521
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, okay, right, do you understand any of

522
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 2: this stuff? Like they had no idea, like none, and

523
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 2: these they led teams of forty to fifty people and

524
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: then realize why their.

525
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 3: Teams are crap.

526
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: And I said, look, do you know that person out

527
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 2: there who's on any depressants what that does to her work.

528
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 3: Ethics and what work performance?

529
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 2: You have any idea what's going home on a home

530
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: for her behind the scenes, because that's affecting her work

531
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: performance as well your people.

532
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 3: Leaders, you don't know this about your staff.

533
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 2: There's a there's a real lack of connection and so

534
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 2: and a lot of places don't actually want to do it.

535
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 2: They'll go and do an r U okay day, put

536
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: some cupcakes out, put themselves on the back and say, hey,

537
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: we're doing you know, we're doing We're doing what we

538
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 2: need to to tick a box that says where we're

539
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: a progressive company that cares about people's you know, mental

540
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: well being. They don't, because two hours later they're going

541
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: back into the same ship they came from.

542
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: It's so fun.

543
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: Leaders are so afraid to do actually make the that

544
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: the stats back it up. You can look up any gartner,

545
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: you know, McKinley, Harvard, Yale, across the board. What having

546
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: you know, proper leadership in your business does for performance

547
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: and profit and happiness and staff turnover and innovation like

548
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: it's but they just don't want to invest.

549
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: No. And also, while there are great leaders, there are

550
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: terrible leaders, and there are leaders that can't even get

551
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: their own shit together. There are leaders people in leadership

552
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: positions at least or management or senior positions, who are

553
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: no hate here but themselves their they're train wrecks and

554
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: they can't get their own shit together or manage their

555
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: own life for whatever reason. And then they're put in

556
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: charge of a whole lot of other people. And it's

557
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: not that it's their job to manage everyone's lives, but

558
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: as you kind of infer, like, we need to at

559
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: least understand our people and genuinely care for our people,

560
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: like genuinely, like not be seen to care, actually not

561
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: fucking simulated empathy, real empathy. And I have this conversation regularly, Greg,

562
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: where I have you know before I've told you this,

563
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: but for the listeners. You know, one of the things

564
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: that when you're a corporate speaker, everyone pretty much every

565
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: time you do a gig, you'll have a meeting a

566
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: week or a month before or whatever it is, and

567
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: they will want to brief you on the event. Okay, Craig,

568
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: this is the name of our conference, this is the theme.

569
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: You'll speaker number one or ten or you know. Next week,

570
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: I'm going away and I'm the only speaker. I'm doing

571
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: a half day with an organization. And then there's the Okay.

572
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: So like a lot of times, it's especially with companies

573
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: that I'm new to. Essentially, we want you to come

574
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: in and rev them up and get them all pumped

575
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: because the culture is a bit shit and the energy

576
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: is a bit flat, sales are a bit down, and

577
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: we want you to just fucking you know. The bottom

578
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: line is we want we want to sell more shits

579
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: and we want to make more go and whatever you

580
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: need to do to them to get them to do that,

581
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: that's what we want you to do. Like, Okay, how

582
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: about we don't treat them like they're a cog in

583
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 1: a money making machine. Let's start with that. Let's start

584
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: with how are you feeling let's start with how's your health?

585
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: Are you sleeping? Are you eating well? Are you moving well?

586
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: Here's one? How do you feel when you're at work?

587
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 1: Here's another one? Do you look forward to coming to work?

588
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: Do you feel safe? Do you feel seen and valued?

589
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: Are you okay? Do you want to be here? Oh?

590
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: And they're like, what what I go? How about we

591
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: just look after them as best we can, right what

592
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: is appropriate, and maybe the byproduct is maybe that they'll

593
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: just be better at whatever it is that they do.

594
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: You know, like, if I'm my job is to sell widgets,

595
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: and I'm physically, mentally, emotionally a better place than I

596
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: was before Greg came to talk to our team. And

597
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: now Greg's been working with our team for the last

598
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: ten weeks and giving me advice and us as a

599
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: collective strategies and insights and tools and resources. And I've

600
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: been operationalizing all the theory he's been downloading. And now

601
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: ten weeks later, I'm sleeping like a fucking winner. I

602
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: feel good, I'm less depressed, I'm more happy, I'm more

603
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: solution focused. I'm problem aware, but I'm solution focused and

604
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: now I'm great. So guess what without even focusing on

605
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: my job. I'm way better for the company. Correct, And

606
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: nobody even needs to talk about the bottom line or

607
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: productivity or efficiency. You don't even need to talk about it.

608
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: You just need to go, hey, Craig, how are you?

609
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: You know where people have those awkward conversations like you

610
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: to sit down and have a conversation across a cup

611
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: of coffee.

612
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: That's you see.

613
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: Leaders, they just they don't know how to do it

614
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: driving They hey, give me a Stutter's pack to update

615
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: my program's performance and my But then in the human

616
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: contact they struggle at massively, Like it's a skill set

617
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: that if you learn emotional intelligence and you know and

618
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: how humans work, that's the next.

619
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: Frontier for most people. Everybody should be learning this.

620
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: And I think, just like you and I are talking,

621
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: it's like you, you, Greg and me, we need to

622
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: do a deep dive on ourselves, which I think we

623
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: both constantly do. I need to make sure that before

624
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: I tell anyone else or share it with anyone else

625
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: or direct or coach that at the very least I'm

626
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: doing all of this for myself first, so that at

627
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: the very least I'm doing my best to walk my talk.

628
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: Because you know, as without going back to my research,

629
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 1: but it's very relevant. When I go in and I

630
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: say to a boss, him or her, what do you

631
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: think it's like being around you for them? Yeah, the

632
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 1: response is generally somewhere in the I'm not sure, or

633
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: I've never really thought about that, or I don't really care.

634
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: They just need to do the job. I'm not their friend.

635
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: It's very very few of them say, well, that's a

636
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: fucking great question. Let's lean into that together. Craig let's

637
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: and I'm like you now, that's not saying we need

638
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: to worry about whether or not people like us. That's

639
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: a different thing. What we are talking about is awareness,

640
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: situational awareness, context awareness. What is the Craig experience? Like

641
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, It's like, imagine, I thought I'm pretty good

642
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: at podcasting, and every time I do a podcast, everyone

643
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: thinks it's fucking diabolical. Well, three episodes in, I don't

644
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: have a podcast. I don't have an audience, right, Which

645
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: is not to say I think i'm acid it because

646
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: I'm two thousand episodes almost down. It's like, I'm still

647
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: aware that I've got to learn and grow and evolve

648
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: and be better. I'm working to do that. But I

649
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: must I know, I must be doing something okay, and

650
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: so too with leaders, like if you're not walking your talk,

651
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: I'm not going to listen to you because I pay

652
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: way more attention to what you do than what you say.

653
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: So when you are, even if it makes sense, and

654
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: even if you're clever and articulate and you've got leadership skills,

655
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,479
Speaker 1: if I know that you don't do what you tell

656
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: me to do, one no trust, no respect, and two

657
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm probably not going to do it because it's not

658
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: the culture.

659
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: Here correct exactly right, and you mention the word trust.

660
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: They are like augustly the other day is like, if

661
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: you want to leader the people, you have to have

662
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 2: led yourself first. You can't get people to do things

663
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 2: you're not willing to do yourself. And people can see it, right,

664
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: people will call the bullshit media straight away. They consider

665
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: the fact that if you're just telling people to do

666
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: the work and you're doing yourself, you're a hypocrite and

667
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: the things will fall around you very very quickly. But

668
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: even to the point where look, I walk in the

669
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 2: people's place, they go, Okay, what's your personal brand? Talking

670
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: about greet that's my brand. It's like you know, what

671
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: is your brand, which is your values?

672
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 3: How you act?

673
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 2: What do you stand for? People just don't have them

674
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: like this. These are the questions I don't ask themselves. Yeah,

675
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: they are great questions.

676
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, how do you talk?

677
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: So if someone said, you know, my brand is you

678
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: know how I articulate myself as the magician of the

679
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: sage and the outlaw. So you'll see that I'm about transformation,

680
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: deep wisdom, and I call a spade of spade and

681
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: I break the rules. That's how I talk, right. Yes,

682
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: that requires certain values associated with that as well too,

683
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: So that's how I will, you know, sort of lived

684
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: my life in that space. Some people have been more caregivers,

685
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: some people, you know whatever, they ask more jovial. But

686
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: there are questions that the eternal investment on those questions

687
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: are huge.

688
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 3: They're massive.

689
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we're nearly done. I've got a couple

690
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 1: of questions and I'm going to let you get back

691
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: to your family. What is something in the last however

692
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: many years that you got wrong, absolutely wrong. That's question

693
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: one and question two, and they may or may not

694
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: be related. Question one is what did you get wrong?

695
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: Question two is what have you changed? Your mind about

696
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: or perhaps one of you, what have you done a

697
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: one eighty on.

698
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 3: Well have I got wrong?

699
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: The hardest thing is working from home is because I'm here,

700
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 2: but I'm not here right. And some of the things

701
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 2: is that I'm not sometimes the best listener.

702
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 3: Right, that I will actually be.

703
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: Here, but I won't be here because I'm actually my

704
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: mind somewhere else. And something I'm very much aware of

705
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 2: I have to sort of work on a lot more

706
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: is that, you know, my thing is my family, but

707
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: I need to actively listen a lot more than I

708
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: had because there's so much going on, especially around that time,

709
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: those last three ideas. There's so much going through my

710
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: head that I need to be more present.

711
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 3: And again like it's I'm not.

712
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 2: I'm grateful that I did that, because it's again it's

713
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: showing me a skill set that I need to develop.

714
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 2: Like without not listening, I listen to my clients very deeply,

715
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: but then I wasn't doing it with you know, at home.

716
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: And I can get into this whole thing about Greg.

717
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 2: You're an idiot, gregor're a dick, You're doing it wrong?

718
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: You know, the whole poor me syndrome or you can

719
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 2: go that is showing me the ability to develop a

720
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: skill set.

721
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: Yeah in other ways. So so that yeah.

722
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: I got that wrong, and I had been for a while,

723
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: and that has its impacts in its way. So especially

724
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: when you're having this deep, you know, listening aspect with

725
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: clients and they're going like, God, just listen to me.

726
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: I never people, just you care so much, and then

727
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: you know I'm blank with you know, in other aspects.

728
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 3: Right, So so that balls it up completely completely.

729
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: And something you've changed your mind about where you thought X,

730
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: and now you think why perhaps if.

731
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 3: Anything political.

732
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: Let's say left versus right stuff right, as far as

733
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: you don't there's some of the one same as the

734
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: one thing. Okay, they're they're fighting for the same stuff,

735
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: just in different aspects in different ways, but the they

736
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: both need each other to exist, and one kind of

737
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: exist without the other. But they also provide a very

738
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: very you know, amazing sort of duality. Whereas I was

739
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 2: always probably probably more center right in the space, now

740
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: I've sort of been trying to understand the the experience

741
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: of the of the left side of stuff and see

742
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 2: what you're coming from and kind of go, well, maybe

743
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: I do have that part wrong in what I thought previously,

744
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: so so in that space.

745
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 3: Look, and that's the thing is about you.

746
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: If you I have a fixed mindset and you always

747
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: come from that way, and you say, like I said before,

748
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 2: my way is the only way, you know, you sort

749
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: of just you can't grow from that place. Yeah, as

750
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: be challenged by some of the aspects of different thinking

751
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: to what I've got that the way, rather just dismiss it,

752
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: try and actually understand why they're actually saying what they're saying.

753
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: And yeah, in some ways that.

754
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: Okay, I can see why that's that's there, and I

755
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: have empathy with that, but I can accept that as

756
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: well too.

757
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: Last question, probably every I mean if people are fit

758
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: and healthy, not injured people or sick people. But in

759
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: general terms, every human can run at some stage, right,

760
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: you know, if I can go outside and run. I

761
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: don't run like the wind, and I don't run beautifully,

762
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: but I can go and run. Everyone but not everyone

763
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: is a runner, so to speak, Right, does everyone have

764
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: potential for psychic ability? Like obviously you know some people

765
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: have a gift. Not everybody has a gift. But yeah,

766
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: is it trainable? Is it teachable? Is it a skill?

767
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: Is it a gift? Is it a trait. Explain it

768
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: to me.

769
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: So I'll give you another metaphor anology kind of thing.

770
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 2: I can learn to play the piano. I can train

771
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: hard enough, I can learn. I can learn the scales,

772
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: I learn the frameworks of it. I can play good tune.

773
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 2: I can play some really good music. There'll never be Mozart. Yeah,

774
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: sometimes people are just born with shit that yeah, far

775
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: beyond what other people can experience. Does that stop them

776
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: from actually learn to play the piano? Play the piano?

777
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: Right?

778
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: Right? So do you think like you obviously have a gift?

779
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: Do you?

780
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: I know it's not the last question, but it's the

781
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: last topic, so it's almost the last question. And so

782
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: you won, you won a TV show which was called

783
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: The One, and on that you were crowned for what

784
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: a better term, Australia's best psychic, right, and then you

785
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: said you kind of did that. You worked as a

786
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: psychic for a year and full time ish was it?

787
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: Then?

788
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

789
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: And then you went nah, after a year, why is

790
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: the guy with that gift? Is it? What is the

791
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: I feel like that could be really fucking exhausting or like,

792
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: why did you stop.

793
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: I think from I couldn't let people walk out of

794
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: a room, knowing that I could have helped them a

795
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: lot more that they hadn't. They got what they thought

796
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: they wanted, but obviously going that's not really what needs

797
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: to happen, because that's the problem with you can just

798
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: do the normal psychic stuff, which would be oh, okay, okay, Sally,

799
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: come in here, you're here, okay, you're looking for a likeationship.

800
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 2: I see in October that there's a guy coming forward.

801
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 2: His name is Dave, and Dave's going to be this

802
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: guy who swoops you off your feet and you live happily,

803
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: going to have two children, one boy, one girl. Was

804
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: going to green eyes, want to be very intelligent, and

805
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: you're going to then travel the world. Right, Everyone wants

806
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 2: to hear that story. Every person wants to come, especially

807
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 2: you know, females when they came for a reading. Was

808
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: about mostly about relationships.

809
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: And it feels good. It hits that dope. For me,

810
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 3: it was okay, right, I'm going to I am going

811
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 3: to be okay.

812
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: You know, a psychic told me I'm going to meet

813
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: this person sometime in the future and that I don't

814
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: have to do anything, and he's going to be the

815
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 2: nineteen Shining armor that I want now. Ninety nine point

816
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 2: nine nine percent of the time it wouldn't even happen.

817
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: But I was sitting in front of Sally and go, Sally,

818
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 2: you've just come from three relationships. One cheated on you,

819
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: one was abusive, and one showed you no connection. How

820
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: about we deal with that? No, Greg, that's why I'm

821
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: I'm not here for that. I want you to tell

822
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: me where my new soul made is. No, Sally, your

823
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: soul I ain't coming. The only person coming your way

824
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: is more trauma. Greg, Am I paying for this? I

825
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: want you to tell me where's my soulmate?

826
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: Right?

827
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 2: So I struggle with the ethics behind what I was doing.

828
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: I really struggle with the factors. She's in the world

829
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: of pain she doesn't know about, and I'm trying to

830
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: help her to realize that she needs to work on

831
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: herself and do this before she could even go into

832
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: another relationship.

833
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: But that's not what they get.

834
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: Most people go to a mind, body, spirit or some

835
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: kind of psychic and they get told what they want

836
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: to hear. The dopamine, the ego boost, it's going to

837
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: be you're going to be rich and famous, all that

838
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 2: kind of stuff without any kind of sense of you know,

839
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: why are you there in my seat, why are you

840
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 2: sitting here in front of me right now in this place?

841
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: Because they need something, they want something, There's something there

842
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: from the work on.

843
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: It's so interesting because even in the world of you know,

844
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: changing your body, often the thing that people need to

845
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: hear is not what they want to hear. Yeah, you know,

846
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: I can tell you. I've said this to audiences, you know,

847
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: when we're maybe we're going around in circles with something

848
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: and I go, or someone's asked something and I go, look,

849
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: I can tell you the truth, or I can tell

850
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: you what you want to hear. What do you guys want?

851
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: And they go reluctantly true. I'm like, look, you know,

852
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: here's here's the deal. Like, the path that you might

853
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: need to take might fucking suck, but you'll learn and

854
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: grow and evolve and build skill and understanding and awareness

855
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: and resilience and maybe you'll create an amazing outcome. But

856
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: sitting on the couch on your phone or watching Netflix

857
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: and eating shit and doom scrolling and complaining and being

858
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: a victim and throwing yourself a pity party thirty two

859
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: times a fucking month that's that's it's understandable, but it's

860
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: completely unhelpful. And even though in the moment it's a

861
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: bit comfy and there's a bit of dopamine and a

862
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: bit of familiarity, I get all of that. But maybe

863
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: you need to throw all the shit out of the

864
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: fridge and the pantry, and maybe you need to go

865
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: for an uncomfortable job, or maybe you need to have

866
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: a hard conversation, or maybe you need to look up

867
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: and own up, you know, and just say hey, I'm

868
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, without self loathing. I'm the problem. That's the awareness,

869
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: because there's a fair chance if your life shit, you

870
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: might be involved.

871
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was unfortunately part of the I suppose that

872
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: you're in this world where I was before actually doing readings.

873
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: I was already doing you know, coaching, you know, before

874
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 2: that anyway, So the children stuff was sort of on

875
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: top of that. But the Psychic show threw me into

876
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: the psychic world of tarot readers and that, which is

877
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: all about predicting the future, and that's not how I worked,

878
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: and that's why it just felt like I just can't

879
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 2: do this. Like I still do readings for people, but

880
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: it's very few and far between. But it's more in

881
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 2: that coaching space where you're coming from a brutal reality

882
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: check on what's really going on, and people who do

883
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: value their value, they like, this is the greatest thing

884
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: ever because it's a deep, deep sense of intuitive knowing

885
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: about what's happening. But I couldn't sit there anymore and

886
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: just go, I can't do this. I can't sit here

887
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: forty sessions a week going no, you're not going to

888
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: meet Dave in.

889
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 3: October, but tell me.

890
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: But the amount of times people came to me and

891
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: be like a Psycha told me this, But that's like

892
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 2: because she's got no idea what she taught me talked

893
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: about before, Like most of them are just fake. Like

894
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 2: I can get someone of the read I can teach

895
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: some of the red Tarot cards and make them look fantastic.

896
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: They'll have no psychic abil let's read the meaning of

897
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 2: the cards. It's yeah, But also you got that thing

898
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: about I was I was seeing people I didn't want

899
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: to see.

900
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 3: I was seeing people who just wanted to be told it.

901
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: Was going to be okay without doing any work, and

902
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 2: it burnt me out, Like I was, I hated it.

903
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 2: In the end, It's like I was not doing what

904
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: I wanted to do, and I was not working with

905
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 2: people I wanted to work with, and it just became

906
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: this complete. I just hated it. I hated doing it.

907
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 2: Going well, why so I stopped?

908
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: Have you ever met anyone? Last one? Then we're gone.

909
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: Have you ever met anyone who's just got like a

910
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: true supernatural, freaky gift where you're like this person is

911
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: is that is the motart, that is the you ever

912
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: met anyone like that?

913
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: Or no, not the in person something like say John Edward,

914
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: I've never met him, probably has some gifts of the

915
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: kind of stuff you know, you've got, Paul Seligg's all

916
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: the world You've got. Uh, there's a few people that

917
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: I could probably say probably got something, but I've never

918
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: met them personally, so I don't know. So I can't

919
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: sort of say I keep to myself quite a fair

920
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: but I don't sort of associate in those kind of

921
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 2: worlds too much.

922
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: So but yeah, it's it's it's fee and father to me.

923
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: Well, mate, I love chatting with you, and thanks for

924
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: not keeping to yourself today. You did the opposite of

925
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: keeping to yourself today, so it could have been a

926
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: pretty short podcast if you had a hey, do you

927
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: want people to find you or connect with you or

928
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: follow you on some social media thing or do you

929
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: not do that?

930
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 2: Most of the stuff I do is on LinkedIn these days,

931
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 2: especially around the leadership side, I think, so it's just

932
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: you find me on Greg Rolly on LinkedIn. I quite

933
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: often post three or four articles a week about leadership

934
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: and poke the bear in that space. Otherwise she's going

935
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: on my website, which is Greg Rolly dot com DoD

936
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: au And yeah, so most of my stuff's pretty one

937
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: on one and small group stuff.

938
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Speaker 1: All right, So you heard him. If you've got heaps

939
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: of cash, just reach out mate. We'll say goodbye, affair.

940
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: But thanks for Ben on the You project. I loved it.

941
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Speaker 3: Thanks Bartie, appreciate it.