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Speaker 1: the news from the Australian. From the Australian, here is

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Speaker 1: what's on the Front. I'm Claire Harvey. It's Wednesday, July

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Speaker 1: twenty four. The Muslim Vote campaign that's seeking to win

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Speaker 1: seats in Federal Parliament is an insult to Islam, according

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Speaker 1: to radical preachers and the extremist organization his Boot to Rear.

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Speaker 1: Some of the country's most outspoken preachers have attacked the

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Speaker 1: Muslim Vote for supporting deradicalization and say they want Sharia

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Speaker 1: law in Australia. This winter's power bills are going to hurt,

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Speaker 1: as the Energy Market Operator reveals the wholesale cost of

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Speaker 1: producing power those more than twenty percent on last year.

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Speaker 1: The spike was driven by record electricity demand in June's

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Speaker 1: cold snap, a spade of coal power outages and low

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Speaker 1: wind which meant wind power generation hit its lowest level

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Speaker 1: in seven years. That story is live now at Beaustralian

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Speaker 1: dot com dot U. The Greens want to freeze house prices,

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Speaker 1: kill off colon gas, cancel the nuclear submarine deal and

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Speaker 1: blow up our alliance with the United States. Today we

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Speaker 1: dig into the policies driving a very ambitious minor party.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen years ago, in most Australian cities you could buy

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Speaker 1: a two or three bedroom home for around five hundred grand,

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Speaker 1: within reach of schools and public transport. Today you need

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Speaker 1: more than a million dollars. In Sydney the median house

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Speaker 1: price is over one point sixty two million. It's the

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Speaker 1: burning issue of our time, truly enraging for basically everybody

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Speaker 1: under the age of forty, and the loudest voice on

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Speaker 1: the issue the Greens.

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Speaker 2: If Labour thinks that it's easy to get a head

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Speaker 2: right now and that somehow a first home or even

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Speaker 1: There used to be that we could say to young

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Speaker 1: people in this country, if you study hard and if

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Speaker 1: you work hard, you can lead a good life.

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Speaker 3: The first home buy is The income required to buy

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Speaker 3: an average home in a capital city in Australia is

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Speaker 3: now one hundred and eighty seven thousand dollars. That is

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Speaker 3: more than double the median national salary, more than double

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Speaker 3: a new teacher or nurse's salary.

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Speaker 4: The Greens plan is for house prices to stay where

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Speaker 4: they are, and they're upfront about that objective.

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Speaker 1: That's Joe Kelly, The Australian's National Affairs editor. He's been

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Speaker 1: part of a big series The Australian's been running about

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Speaker 1: what the Greens actually want.

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Speaker 4: And they're quite open about saying that because their target

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Speaker 4: audience for this policy is young people.

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Speaker 1: They were and the name is a giveaway an environmental party,

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Speaker 1: Now not so much.

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Speaker 4: I don't think you can simply dismiss the Greens as

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Speaker 4: of the friendly, tree hugging type of party that maybe

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Speaker 4: a lot of people used to think of them as.

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Speaker 4: I think they're a broader political party now and potentially

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Speaker 4: they're going to be a lot more relevant, particularly if

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Speaker 4: we fall into a minority parliament at the next election.

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Speaker 4: Some of their policies are very radical. In the foreign

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Speaker 4: policy space, I don't think that's an area lots of

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Speaker 4: people would have paid much attention to. But the Greens

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Speaker 4: want to review the ANSAs Alliance, they want to cancel

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Speaker 4: the Orcus Arrangement, they want to slash defense spending and

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Speaker 4: when you speak to them, they're quite frank about suggesting

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Speaker 4: that the larger threat to Australia is really the US,

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Speaker 4: not China. It's the relationship with the US that's likely

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Speaker 4: to draw us into a conflict. On the economy, they're

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Speaker 4: talking about the government intervening to completely override the Reserve

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Speaker 4: on some of these issues they want to push pretty

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Speaker 1: These are big ambitions for a party that only has

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Speaker 1: Greens want to govern?

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Speaker 4: This is a really interesting question at the moment. The

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Speaker 4: Green's political objective is not to wield the reigns of

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Speaker 4: executive power. Adam Bant that made that very clear when

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Speaker 4: And his argument is that the Greens ultimately will replace

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Speaker 4: And so he's arguing that we're going to out labor

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Speaker 4: foreign policy independence. So I don't think their goal is

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Speaker 4: It's simply to try and erode that labor vote, increase

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Speaker 4: the number of MPs in Parliament, but particularly the lower House.

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Speaker 4: So they've got four MPs in the lower House. Now

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Speaker 4: across both houses they have fifteen MPs. It was sixteen

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Speaker 4: but Lydia thoughte quit and if you look at the Nationals,

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Speaker 1: Should Labor be worried about the.

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Speaker 4: Greens, Yes, yes, no. Labour should definitely be worried about

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Speaker 4: an incredibly low primary vote. The Greens are targeting a

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Speaker 4: next election, not just in the inner cities, but mostly

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Speaker 4: in the inner cities. I think labor MPs are vulnerable

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Speaker 4: once senior labor figures such as Tanya Plibisec such as

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Speaker 4: Greens pose a threat to Labor on the left flank.

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Speaker 4: But really the goal for Labor has to be to

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Speaker 4: ensure that it has a centrist policy position so that

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Speaker 1: The issue that's getting the Greens a huge amount of

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Speaker 1: attention right now is Gaza. They're involved in the movie

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Speaker 1: that's seen huge rallies on city streets every weekend, and

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Speaker 1: they've been loud and proud declaring Australia should be doing

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Speaker 1: more to influence the behavior of our longtime ally Israel.

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Speaker 2: The best time to stop this horrific invasion was eight

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Speaker 2: months ago, but the next best time is now. There

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Speaker 2: is a reason other countries around the world right now

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Speaker 2: today are shifting their position to recognize the state of Palestine.

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Speaker 2: Australia should join them.

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Speaker 1: Recognition of Palestine is something Labor has grappled with for generations,

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Speaker 1: but now in government, Labor is trying to walk a

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Speaker 1: narrow line supporting Israel as an ally condemning the October

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Speaker 1: seven attacks by hamas a terrorist organization and urging Israel

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Speaker 1: to be restrained in its attacks on Gaza. That's made

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Speaker 1: life tough for some Labor MPs, including Afghan Born's Senator

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Speaker 1: to sit on the cross bench. The Greens say there

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Speaker 1: are no two sides to this conflict, now entering its

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Speaker 1: ninth decade. They say Israel is bad. The policy on

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Speaker 1: Gaza is hardcore, isn't it, Joe. It's not one that

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the problem with the Green's position on

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Speaker 4: very questionable. They're holding or the accusation against Labor is

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Speaker 4: that Australia is complicit in a genocide. This is the

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Speaker 4: Green's position that Australia is complicit in a genocide happening

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Speaker 4: in the Middle East. Now, I think that's a proposition

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Speaker 4: I think it's an inflammatory mischaracterization of what's happening, and

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Speaker 4: Labor and the Liberal Party have turned on the Greens

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Speaker 4: step further and said that they're fueling their sense of

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Speaker 4: division and social unrest. So that's now a level of

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Speaker 4: criticism and scrutiny the Greens are getting that perhaps they

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Speaker 4: wouldn't have had ten years ago. This is a foreign

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Speaker 4: policy position now and they were condemned in the Parliament

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Speaker 4: over it.

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Speaker 1: Coming up how the Greens killed off Labour's emissions trading

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Speaker 1: scheme and what they say about climate now. This series

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Speaker 1: on the Greens is a ball terrer, just ripping exclusives

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Speaker 1: day after day, including Jewish Greens members saying they feel

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Speaker 1: expect the greatest dividing politics to be left versus right,

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Speaker 1: progressives versus conservatives. In fact, in Australian politics, the most

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Speaker 1: bitter enmity is Labor versus the Greens. Perhaps their most

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Speaker 1: damaging policy clash dates back to two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 1: the year the Greens killed Labour's carbon pollution reduction scheme

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Speaker 1: and helped kill off Kevin Rudd temporarily, at least at

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Speaker 1: the time, Rudd was Prime Minister for the first time,

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Speaker 1: and it swept a power on a wave of emotion about,

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Speaker 1: among other things, what RD called the greatest moral challenge

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Speaker 1: of our time for.

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Speaker 4: Our long term future.

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Speaker 5: There is no more important difference between mister Howard and

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Speaker 5: myself than on climate change.

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Speaker 1: Krod's solution was an emissions trading scheme to limit greenhouse

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Speaker 1: gas pollution. It was wildly controversial. Environmentalists said it wasn't

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Speaker 1: tough enough, business said it would kill off industry. Green's

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Speaker 5: Here's what's happening. Kevin Rudd wants us to pass a

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Speaker 5: bill which would give pollutas billions of dollars and sets

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Speaker 5: targets way too low to stop climate change. He's locking

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Speaker 5: That's buncom I'm asking Australians to stand with the Greens

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Speaker 1: Brown and the Greens voted it down in the Senate twice,

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Speaker 1: and Labor admitted defeat, shelving the bill in twenty ten

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Speaker 1: to avoid going to a double dissolution election. Labour people

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Speaker 1: because it wasn't perfect. The Greens were criticized for being

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it has. That's really my benchmark

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Speaker 4: on whether the Greens are a more mature, evolved party,

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Speaker 4: whether they're prepared to actually vote for incremental change rather

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Speaker 4: than trying to get the hail Mary utopia vision in

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Speaker 4: one go. We all know that that's not possible, and

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Speaker 4: that's what protest parties are all about. They're about saying

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Speaker 4: none of this is good enough, our policies are where

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Speaker 4: we should be, and we should achieve it all in

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Speaker 4: one swoop. Well, that's just not how progress works. And

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Speaker 4: I think too many of the Greens policies are still

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Speaker 4: too extreme, particularly on climate. So their climate policy is

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Speaker 4: to reach net zero by twenty thirty five for a

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Speaker 4: seventy five percent reduction by twenty thirty They want to

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Speaker 4: phase out of coal completely, including coal exports. By the

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Speaker 4: is the extent to which they're prepared to compromise to

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Speaker 4: get better outcomes without being wreckers in the hopes of

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Speaker 4: realizing some futile utopia. And I don't think the Greens

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Speaker 4: are quite there yet because, as I said at the start,

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Speaker 4: they're just aiming for small demographics. They're not really backing

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Speaker 4: a policy platform that's going to appeal broadly, I think,

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Speaker 4: to all Australians.

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Speaker 1: Joe Kelly is The Australian's National Affairs edited up. There

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Speaker 1: are more thrills and spills in US politics, and now

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