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Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gaddigal Land Always was, always

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Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land.

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Speaker 2: Hey Chicks, I'm sal and I'm out and this is

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Speaker 2: two Break Chicks, a show that shares life lessons and

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Speaker 2: tips to help.

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Speaker 3: Make you rich in life.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to the show, Bridget Hussway.

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Speaker 4: We are so back me.

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Speaker 5: I'm so excited and this is my first time in

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Speaker 5: your steerience today.

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Speaker 3: Welcome.

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Speaker 6: It's so big and legit and amazing.

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Speaker 7: I'm so excited to be back as well.

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Speaker 1: The last time you're on the show, we were in

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Speaker 1: for a wild fucking ride. Well but you just like

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Speaker 1: derailed the whole episode with one story.

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Speaker 2: Literally, we got the most iconic breakup episode ever.

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Speaker 4: It was break good.

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Speaker 3: It was so good.

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Speaker 1: Well not that you went through that, but but.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was the first time that I had really

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Speaker 5: spoken about it, but I just kept.

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Speaker 1: After we were like, so we're all getting drinks, right, so rammed.

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Speaker 1: It was like a pre game just hearing that story,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, guys, I need a drink.

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Speaker 3: But we're glad to have you back on because we've

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Speaker 3: got you on.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, we don't need an excuse to have you on,

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Speaker 2: but we want to chat about your brand new book,

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Speaker 2: Figuring Out Dirty.

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Speaker 6: Second book, second book of baby.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, how are you feeling now that it's

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Speaker 2: out in the world. It's been a few months now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, relieved, I think, and you guys would know it's

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Speaker 5: it's you almost have and I think you sail as

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Speaker 5: a big music fan to you have like a newfound

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Speaker 5: empathy for people who put out big, like bodies of work,

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Speaker 5: like I always think of artists and just being like song,

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Speaker 5: EP album like damn, because you are working on it

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Speaker 5: for so long.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and when.

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Speaker 5: You release it, it's out of your control. And we

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Speaker 5: were saying before even during the process. For me especially,

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Speaker 5: I like kind of just blackout, like because it's so

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Speaker 5: stressful for me. And I don't find writing like easy.

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Speaker 5: I enjoyed it in high school and I was really

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Speaker 5: good in my English classes. But I guess, especially you know,

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Speaker 5: in the last decade of being like a music presenter

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Speaker 5: and like you know, communicating a verbal sense, I find

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Speaker 5: putting my thoughts and I guess the ADHD thing too,

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Speaker 5: but like putting it from pen to paper is really difficult,

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Speaker 5: and especially when it is a super personal body of work,

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Speaker 5: there's like that kind of emotional exhaustion too, So I'm

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Speaker 5: really glad that it's out, yeah, and probably won't write

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Speaker 5: for a long time, but happy to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And I think as much as it can be really daunting,

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Speaker 2: especially with a book like this that is quite vulnerable,

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Speaker 2: you're going to be helping so many people with it,

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Speaker 2: and I think so many people can relate to it,

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Speaker 2: which I'm excited to get into it and ask you

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Speaker 2: some more questions about it. But before we do, we

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Speaker 2: love to start with our life lesson of the week,

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Speaker 2: So would you like to kick us off?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 6: This is one.

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Speaker 5: It's an interesting one, and I I wish I was

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Speaker 5: better at it early on, but it's just I think

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Speaker 5: I was on my emails a couple of days ago

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Speaker 5: and I've just been thinking about it ever since, and

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Speaker 5: I've been, I guess, trying to be really aware of it.

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Speaker 5: And the life lesson would be to how will I

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Speaker 5: put it? I guess kind of own own your voice

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Speaker 5: and own your presence. So for me, this is in

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Speaker 5: the context of emails and being a freelancer, right, And

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Speaker 5: you guys would know too, when you following things up

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Speaker 5: and you know you're chasing things like I am very

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Speaker 5: much a chaser with work. There's things that will come

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, she's an ares.

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Speaker 5: In saying that, I do have a bit of insecurity

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Speaker 5: that's a natural tendency for women, especially, you know, kind

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Speaker 5: it will always be like just checking in, just wondering

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Speaker 5: and so sorry to be, you know, a pest.

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Speaker 7: But or does that make sense? All good if not?

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Speaker 6: So I'm trying to embrace that a bit more.

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Speaker 5: And I haven't really yeah, thought about it as much

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Speaker 5: just like out here chasing a bunch of shit. But

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Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, I just really got to be

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Speaker 5: you know if I mean, I'm allowed to have that.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, but if you don't chase, you don't catch exactly.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, no one's going to do it for you either.

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Speaker 1: I love don't ask, don't get moment, like when you're

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Speaker 1: like and sometimes it's not even an ask it to

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Speaker 1: tell like it's been like cool, like let me know

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Speaker 4: By yeah, being like.

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Speaker 3: Could you like get back to me whenever you can.

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Speaker 1: That's about now, right, now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and yeah, I think people think, you know, in

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Speaker 5: You know, there's so much behind the scenes where we

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Speaker 6: Things to come to me.

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Speaker 5: I'm always very grateful when they do, but I can't

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Speaker 6: Like, well, what do you expect? Yeah, you go do

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Speaker 6: the thing. Yeah, and you get the thing and.

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Speaker 7: You get the thing. Yeah, go do the thing.

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Speaker 1: My life lesson of the week is to go visit

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Speaker 1: your grandparents obviously if you can, if you live in

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Speaker 1: the same place, if they're still around, being mag bong,

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Speaker 1: if you still have a relationship. But I haven't visited

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Speaker 4: Was like, how a Valentine? Say yeah?

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Speaker 1: And she was like and she always saends like you

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Speaker 1: know how like our grandparents' text. It's like the most

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Speaker 4: And she's like, hello Alexandra, live of my life.

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Speaker 7: Wishing you the best, beautiful Manada. And I was like

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Speaker 7: to rub I was like, we should go see my nona.

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Speaker 2: We literally packed the pasta maker. We're going to go

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Speaker 2: make her like homemade pasted out. We get there, she's

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Speaker 2: put on a whole fucking roast. She was like I

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Speaker 7: And I was like, what what do you mean? And

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Speaker 1: And I was like, so why did I bring it?

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Speaker 4: It's just like just just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my gosh, okay, and then

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Speaker 1: to go to your Ernie Rauders and uncle ladies. And

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Speaker 1: I was like, what and so she's then wrangled me

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Speaker 4: Like, have you seen this?

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Speaker 7: And it's mom and Dad's wedding video and I haven't

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Speaker 1: And so we sat around having like tea and coffee.

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Speaker 1: version of coffee just has baileies in it.

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Speaker 1: And they were yelling at me because I was having

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Speaker 3: I have to drive.

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Speaker 1: And we watched my mom and dad's wedding video so

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so beautiful and beautiful.

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Speaker 7: And like, oh my god, I took photos.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I want to say it.

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Speaker 6: Cantully if you haven't seen it.

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Speaker 7: I hadn't seen it, and they kept being like, what

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Speaker 1: And I was like they haven't tried me, wow, And yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was just the cutest thing ever.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it was a good little day.

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Speaker 6: I love that.

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Speaker 1: It's so cute because, yeah, all my other grandparents have

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Speaker 4: My nan and my pop my no no.

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Speaker 3: I was just you need to have like a wine

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Speaker 3: night with your mom and watch it.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I know tea And I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 4: so was pissing you off?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Where are Well?

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Speaker 2: That's always the bts behind a wedding, exactly every time.

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Speaker 7: Okay, what's yours?

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Speaker 3: My life lesson?

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Speaker 2: I'll keep it short and sweet because it's not that deep.

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Speaker 2: But did you know that if ninety nine percent of

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Speaker 2: the human population thought you were ugly, still around eighty

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Speaker 2: million people would think you were hot?

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So even on your ugliest little day, which we all

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Speaker 2: have those days when we're not feeling like the hotties

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Speaker 2: that we truly are, eighty eighty million people, eighty million

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Speaker 1: Smash wow, that's like that stat that's like people say,

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Speaker 5: you know, the things that we need.

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00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 6: To tick off.

446
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 5: Like yeah, well you guys, I mean you wrote a

447
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 5: whole fucking book about this, like and like when friends

448
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 5: are on different levels, like what was not to be

449
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,439
Speaker 5: the interviewer now, but like your biggest takeaway from when

450
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 5: you were kind of you know, navigating that.

451
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 1: I think the thing was that was one of the

452
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 1: biggest lessons from you know, the people we interviewed and

453
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 1: discussed it with this and our own experiences, was especially

454
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 1: with being a single friend, like because you go to

455
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 1: things and a lot of people are couples, but remembering

456
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 1: that you're single because you didn't want something, like something

457
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 1: didn't work for you, something wasn't right for you.

458
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 4: And even though it's very very easy, like the comparison

459
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 4: trap is called a trap for a reason.

460
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,479
Speaker 1: It's easy to fall into that you have to remember

461
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 1: what it is that you wanted, and that there's not

462
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 1: a paintbrush that paints every single storyline the same way.

463
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 4: And it's just the way that my brain works.

464
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 1: And it's not to say that anyone's life is boring,

465
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: but like, I love.

466
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 4: Thinking about how individual lives are.

467
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 7: Like I love that.

468
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,959
Speaker 1: Feeling of when you see all the lights turn on

469
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: at like six pm, non dolit saving the time, and

470
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 1: like how everyone's life is so so so different and

471
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 1: how I want mine to be so individual.

472
00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 4: To me, So why would I want my life to

473
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:00,959
Speaker 4: look like anyone else's.

474
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I also think when it comes to celebrating

475
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 5: each other's wins as well, we really need to broaden what.

476
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 3: The win wins are.

477
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, And like I have a great example that made

478
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 5: me feel really good. So Oscar plays footy for Fremantle

479
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 5: and we have a player's partners groups. It's just a little

480
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 5: WhatsApp chat group for all the players partners sorry, which

481
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 5: is yeah, it's really nice. And often in those you know,

482
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 5: group chats outside of the admin for the matches and

483
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff, you know, the post will

484
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 5: be in there if you know one of the partners

485
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 5: has a baby or as engaged, and a few of

486
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 5: them are, which is, you know, great, And I was

487
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 5: really surprised to like open the chat one day following

488
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 5: the release of my book and one of the ladies

489
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 5: who works at the club like made a really nice

490
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 5: message being like a huge congrats to Bridget for releasing

491
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 5: her new book. We're also proud of you and we

492
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 5: know how hard you've worked and you have only known

493
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 5: these people for just over a year, And I was

494
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 5: I didn't expect that to be in the group chat,

495
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 5: and that's not to you know, undermine or underestimate them,

496
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 5: but I was like, that's so nice, and to have

497
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 5: that kind of achievement recognized in the same context as

498
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 5: you know, other partners getting engaged and having babies, that

499
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 5: just really showed me that, Yeah, like I wish I

500
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 5: guess more people got to experience that, but it's like

501
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 5: really not that it's not hard, but it just was

502
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 5: awesome for me to be like, that's so cool and

503
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 5: people messaging being like congrats Bridget, like that's awesome, and

504
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 5: they're all getting around me, and yeah, it was nice

505
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 5: to feel that you know, you can still be celebrated

506
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 5: for the things because that is a you know, and

507
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 5: you guys are the same. To release a book like

508
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 5: that is a huge achievement for us and the only

509
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 5: you know, it shouldn't be kids owning a house or

510
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 5: getting married or engaged to be the only things that.

511
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 6: Are worthy of celebrations.

512
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 8: You know.

513
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 5: So again, yeah, broadening our idea of what winds are

514
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 5: and we're just making the effort to be aware of

515
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 5: what winds are for people because they are different.

516
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: For it.

517
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: Also knowing what your wins are for yourself, like writing

518
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: those out and understanding what you find as a win

519
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: and making sure that it can look different, and like

520
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: giving yourself permission to celebrate those things.

521
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 4: You know what I love. I love when women have

522
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 4: divorce parties. Oh yeah.

523
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 6: Them first up.

524
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 5: And I think you need to be careful of, you know,

525
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 5: being like toxic positivity on it too. But I guess

526
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 5: from my experience, I just I just see it as

527
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 5: an opportunity and like without being cringe, like break up, breakthrough,

528
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 5: you know, like it is just such an important time

529
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 5: and you have so much that you can actually gain

530
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 5: from it. And I do wish more women were able

531
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 5: to see that, but again completely understand.

532
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: Hindsight nine and it comes like at least six months

533
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: later and you're like, holy shit, Yeah, but you'll like

534
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: be in a situation but this didn't have This wouldn't

535
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: have happened unless that happened. Yeah, and you're like, ah, vibes, slate,

536
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: let's get into work.

537
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 7: Yeah.

538
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: This was another popular question that we had coming through

539
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: and something that you speak about in the book and

540
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: have spoken about quite a bit. So you also had

541
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: a huge career change around the time.

542
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 4: Of your thirtieth birthday as well.

543
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: Can you talk us through that and give some advice

544
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: for people who are thinking of making a career switch

545
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: in their thirties because it can be really intimidating.

546
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 7: Yeah.

547
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 5: Well, I mean starting my thirties freshly dumped was big enough.

548
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 5: But then when I turned thirty one, I was like,

549
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 5: let's you know, fuck things around a little bit more

550
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 5: and quit my job that I've worked really hard.

551
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 6: On and you know, making that grind.

552
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 5: I think it was like six years of unpaid work

553
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 5: to get up to that point to have a full

554
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 5: time you know, a national radio show and a job

555
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 5: that I deeply loved, the program that I was hosting

556
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 5: Good Nights. I you know, still love it. I mean,

557
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 5: like they've asked it now. When I found out that

558
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 5: they when they acted it, I cried and I was like,

559
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 5: this is really heartbreaking for me because I just I,

560
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 5: you know, the legacy of that program beyond my five

561
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 5: years hosting like Linda Mariano, who I icon't yeah icon',

562
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 5: and just you know, being someone who listened to that

563
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 5: program as a music fan and a listener before Triple

564
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 5: J and then being able to host it. But yeah,

565
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 5: I just was you know at that point where I,

566
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 5: as much as I loved that program, the developments for

567
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 5: me at the station was it just wasn't happening. And

568
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 5: I really saw, you know, I felt it's funny, I

569
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 5: felt like externally.

570
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 6: Valued.

571
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 5: Not to say that I felt completely not valued there,

572
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 5: but I felt very over looked as a music presenter,

573
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 5: and I resented the programming hierarchy and you know, Brecky

574
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 5: and Drive getting all the interviews just because they have

575
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 5: those slots. It was never about who was who would

576
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 5: be the best presenter to interview that person. I think

577
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 5: it has changed now since I left, and I'm not

578
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 5: taking you know, credit for that, but I did like

579
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 5: request like an exit interview when I quit, because I

580
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 5: had so much feedback that I wanted to tell management

581
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 5: because I already knew some other presenters who were, you know,

582
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 5: a little bit fresher than me, already was starting to

583
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 5: feel that and feeling a little bit defeated, and I

584
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 5: just wanted things to change for them, because I, you know,

585
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 5: I love seeing people who were so passionate about music,

586
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 5: and I mean everyone who works there loves music. But anyway,

587
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 5: I just felt like I couldn't see where I was

588
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 5: going next. I did, you know, want to actually get

589
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 5: into programming at some point, but that kind of yeah

590
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 5: was not embraced, I suppose. And so I had a

591
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 5: contract negotiation and unfortunately it was shit, and it was

592
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 5: just like a tipping point for me, and I was like, uh,

593
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 5: I never thought that that would be. I actually thought

594
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 5: I'd stay on for one more year, but and I

595
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 5: was going to nothing as well. I think it's, yeah,

596
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 5: it's a very unique situation when you leave your job

597
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 5: for nothing.

598
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that unique though in terms of like, yes,

599
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: it's a very very big daunting thing. But I think

600
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: it's something that we're seeing and we get messages so

601
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: much now, because that's part of what is really scary

602
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: for people is it's they're in this job, they're in

603
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: this career, and whether it's the industry that they're in

604
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: or whether it's that specific role within that company that

605
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: they just don't.

606
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:55,959
Speaker 4: Want to do it anymore.

607
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: But they've invested all of this time, and it's like,

608
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: but I don't, like, I just want to get out,

609
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: and like they've kind of made that decision, but they

610
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: don't know one what they want to do next, or

611
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: they don't have anything lined up, So like, how do

612
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: you find the confidence to just say.

613
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 4: Like no more? Yeah?

614
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 5: Again, it's different for everyone and dependent on your field.

615
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 5: But I guess what what I love about that is

616
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 5: people are obviously valuing their happiness and fulfillment more than

617
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 5: ever in a career context, and you can really link

618
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 5: it back to relationships, and like not settling with that

619
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 5: obviously comes a lot of privilege. There are people who

620
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 5: just simply have to stay in these jobs that they

621
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 5: hate to survive. So I had a lot of privilege

622
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 5: and that I knew that I could make it work,

623
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 5: but I hadn't really spent It's not like I planned

624
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 5: it you know, it was actually really an impulsive thing.

625
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 5: I didn't expect to quit, but I was so fucked

626
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 5: off that I was like nah. And then I remember

627
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 5: telling my mom and she was like, do what makes

628
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 5: you happy? I spoke to Oscar, and being the legit

629
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 5: stickle king that he is, was like, you know, obviously

630
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 5: support you, but just maybe just like book in with

631
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 5: your accountant first and just you know, make sure you

632
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 5: know clever not you know, a completely silly thing to do. Unfortunately,

633
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 5: my accountant was like, yeah, I thought you'd be doing

634
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 5: this six months ago, like, you know, thankfully for me

635
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 5: and in you know, the field that like I'm in,

636
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 5: I guess, and I already had how to end.

637
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: Oh.

638
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 5: And I kind of made that effort to have an

639
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 5: identity outside of Triple J. And I think, you know,

640
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 5: for any kind of job that's really important, it's hard

641
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 5: because we do spend so much time working, especially if

642
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 5: we do love it, you know, and we're proud of it.

643
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 7: You know.

644
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 5: I was very proud to work there, but I also

645
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 5: knew there would be limitations post Triple J. And I

646
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 5: was kind of just getting to that stage there, and

647
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 5: I guess that age where I wanted to start thinking

648
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 5: about the next steps. But again, probably would have loved

649
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 5: a little bit more time to kind of think it out.

650
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 5: But yeah, I just you know, went out into freelancing

651
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 5: and just I guess made it work because I had

652
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 5: no choice but to make it work. And that's why

653
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 5: I have to be a real chaser with us, you know,

654
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 5: yeah pay Rent. Yeah, yeah, it is like a survival

655
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 5: thing too, Yeah, very much so. But I totally empathize

656
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 5: with all the things that people kind of grapple with

657
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 5: because when you do spend so much time getting to

658
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 5: that point, whether it's you know, doing a four year

659
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 5: Uni degree, being like thousands of dollars in hex step

660
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 5: or for me, you know, doing that six odd year grind.

661
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 5: I mean, I've been music presenting a music presenter for

662
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 5: over a decade now, but you do tend to look

663
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 5: back at everything that you've invested into that and you

664
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 5: don't want to feel like you've wasted time or regretted it.

665
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Speaker 5: And I don't, you know, like because it's opened so

666
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 5: many other doors.

667
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 6: But it's scary.

668
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 5: But I just want people to know that it's never

669
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 5: too late, you know, it's never too late to switch

670
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 5: lanes to try something New I met a girl recently

671
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 5: who's the partner of a friend who used to work

672
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 5: at Triple J Actually, and she was a journalist and

673
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 5: you know she did that big grind, but now she's

674
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 5: studying to be a primary school teacher.

675
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 4: I love that.

676
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 5: She was like, you know what, I you know, this

677
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 5: has been the dream job in many aspects, but I

678
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 5: am exhausted and I think that I could really add

679
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 5: value in that field. So she's moved from Sydney to

680
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 5: Perth and she's back at UNI and she's so excited

681
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 5: and she's gonna be.

682
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 6: A great teacher. But you know, it's never too late

683
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 6: to do that stuff.

684
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Speaker 2: In your book, you actually share a list of famous

685
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: people who started their careers after turning thirty.

686
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 7: Can you share that with us.

687
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Speaker 3: You're a bit of inspiration for the jigs.

688
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Speaker 5: Let's go through the list. Let me pull her up.

689
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 5: There is quite a few examples and they're wonderful. So

690
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 5: famous women who made their career after thirty. Oprah Winfrey

691
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 5: launched the Oprah Winfrey Show at age thirty two. Wow,

692
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 5: I launched it last year, Crazy Kristin Wig. We've just

693
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 5: had the SNL fifty celebrations, which means so fun. I

694
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 5: love Saturday Night Live. She debuted on the show at

695
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 5: thirty six. No way, yep, pretty cool. Debbie Harry Ak

696
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 5: Blondie I'm sure you love my girl launched that project

697
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 5: at thirty.

698
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Speaker 3: One and a style ikon Music Park on to this day.

699
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 5: The rest is history. I love this about in the

700
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 5: world of fashion Vera Wang. Okay, so before that she

701
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 5: was a fashion designer, she was an ice skater and

702
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 5: a journalist. But she designed her first dress at the

703
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Speaker 5: age of forty. That is incredible, amazing, so cool and

704
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Speaker 5: Vivian Westwood. So she quit teaching at thirty to pursue

705
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 5: fashion design so went and studied that Jane Austin. I

706
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 5: didn't actually know this so first novel, Sense and Sensibility.

707
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 5: Guess how old she was when it came out?

708
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Speaker 7: Thirty eight, thirty six close?

709
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but I think that I thought she would

710
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 5: have been like twenty twenty one, really young.

711
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Speaker 6: I don't know why, but I just was really surprised

712
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 6: to hear.

713
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 7: So imagine that being her debut. She's kine hot, hit

714
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Speaker 7: it out of the past.

715
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, there's definitely this notion, especially with social

716
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: media and TikTok stars and not to take away from them,

717
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: but we see a lot of young celebrities now that

718
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: I think when we're older and we're like, oh, fuck,

719
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: like I didn't do that, I should have done this,

720
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: I should have done that, and set myself up for

721
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: all these things that when you see a list like that,

722
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: you're like, it really does kind of like wipe the

723
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: slate clean in your brain, being like, yeah, I can.

724
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Speaker 5: Yeah, change and I love there's two more recent examples

725
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 5: that I really love and beyond the fact that they're

726
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 5: both in the music world. But Amy Shark she released

727
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 5: a Door, which is you know, her breakthrough single was

728
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 5: absolutely massive. She was thirty when that came and it

729
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 5: was dubbed her breakthrough. She was actually you know, the

730
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 5: commentary around her was like overnight success, but she was

731
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 5: grinding for like ten years before that.

732
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 6: You know, about the year.

733
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Speaker 5: Before that song came out, she emailed dom Alessio, who

734
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 5: used to host Home and host on Triple J, and

735
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 5: she was like, what am I doing wrong? You know,

736
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 5: like none of my songs are getting airplay? And then

737
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 5: Odoor was the next single and it just you know,

738
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 5: skyrocketed her. Yeah, Charlie XCX, I think is a great example.

739
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 7: Finally getting her flowers.

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00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's thirty two, and you know, she's we've known

741
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 5: her for a while, like she's been on you know,

742
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 5: some main she's kind of flirted in the mainstream.

743
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: You know.

744
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 5: I love it Boom boom clap fancy with Iggy's eliaineteen.

745
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: Ninety nine and like all the Collapse with Troy.

746
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Brat is her most commercially successful record. It's

747
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 5: the record that's won her her first Grammys, and now

748
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 5: she's headlining festivals and she's thirty two.

749
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 4: You know, I just looked it up then.

750
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: And Rebecca Yaros, who wrote Fourth Wing, which is like

751
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: the best selling fantasy series of the year. If not,

752
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: I would put it up there with books this year

753
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: is forty three wow.

754
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 4: And that came out in twenty twenty three.

755
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: Wo.

756
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, women can have so much success. Yeah, after

757
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: the age of thirty forty fifty.

758
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like I love that.

759
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 4: I want to kick a door off its hinges.

760
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, your life doesn't end at thirty.

761
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 7: It's really only just Siously.

762
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: There's also this quote and it was like, why do

763
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: you think adulthood and fun ends at thirty?

764
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 4: When that was your first decade of being an adult.

765
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when money only had you only you've only

766
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: had one decade of being an adult and you're done.

767
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't know.

768
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 5: And how how because you still have so much to

769
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 5: experience travel or you know, gain those new skills of

770
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 5: being exposed to a particular field, Like I just don't. Yeah,

771
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 5: it's crazy that we've like we've just had to, you know,

772
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 5: have it sorted and locked in by by thirty all

773
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 5: that you.

774
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 4: Don't have time to experience other things.

775
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: Because a very common thing we got sent in was

776
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: feeling like I wasted my twenties. We would you say

777
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: to someone that felt like they wasted their twenties by

778
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: not doing enough?

779
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 5: I mean, look, I don't want to say no regrets.

780
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 5: I just think everything's a lesson though, Like I would

781
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 5: never look back on my twenties and think I should

782
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 5: have done more. I think, and I also am able

783
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 5: to kind of give myself I guess that compassion and

784
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 5: be like, well that's how I was feeling at the time.

785
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 5: I can't change that. And yeah, I've never kind of

786
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 5: looked back on my twenties and felt like I should

787
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 5: have done something differently, or that I wasted time. I

788
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 5: think everything always will lead you. Everything's led you to

789
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 5: where you are now, and we're in pretty good positions.

790
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 4: I agree.

791
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: I also think if you felt like you should have

792
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 1: done things in your twenties that you haven't done yet,

793
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: maybe your twenties was about building the confidence and the

794
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: life experience to approach those things that you want to do.

795
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 4: But I want to ask you.

796
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: A quick fire round of dating and your thirties. I

797
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: know we've touched on it a little bit, yep, Okay,

798
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on age gaps and dating younger

799
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: in your thirties?

800
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 6: So fine, Oscar's five years younger? I think it.

801
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, is really just a number, and I think there's

802
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 5: a lot to be gained in terms of what you

803
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 5: can learn from them as well.

804
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 6: So I'm so here for it.

805
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 4: I love that.

806
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 6: Yeah.

807
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 7: Okay, super popular question.

808
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: What are your top three tips on being single in

809
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: your thirties?

810
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, the first one that comes to mind was

811
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 5: one that I felt quite deeply was don't feel pressured

812
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 5: to When we say be single, we do tend to

813
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 5: visualize that we're going out all the time, that we're

814
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 5: building our roster and we Samantha Jones, Yeah, and honestly,

815
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 5: I love her, And if you want to do that, fine,

816
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 5: But also some people don't want to or feel comfortable.

817
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 5: And I thought that I would be going on a

818
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 5: fucking spray when I was single, but then I just

819
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 5: realized I don't feel ready or comfortable, and that's okay. Like,

820
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 5: just because you were single doesn't mean you have to

821
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 5: go and do those things. You know, and even if

822
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 5: you want to go out and have fun and you

823
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 5: do want to find someone but you don't, like, don't

824
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 5: beat yourself up about it.

825
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 6: There is no one.

826
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Speaker 5: Textbook way to be single, just like there's no one

827
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 5: textbook way to be in a relationship, and you just

828
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 5: have to really tap into you know, your instinct and

829
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 5: how you're feeling, and it may not be feeling the

830
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Speaker 5: way that you thought you'd be feeling. Like like I said,

831
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Speaker 5: I thought that I would be going out doing all

832
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 5: those things, but then I was like, nah, I just

833
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 5: don't want to.

834
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 6: But I think people expected that of me. But I

835
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 6: was fine.

836
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 5: I was on the apps, but I kind of treated

837
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 5: a lot of the conversations just as little steps for

838
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 5: personal development because I just felt like I had to

839
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 5: unpack a lot of shit. So don't feel pressured to

840
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 5: like go back someone.

841
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: Clip, I want to bang away, you know, Okay, And

842
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: you interviewed a neuropsychologist, doctor Hannah Coral, who likens friendships

843
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: to a solar system. Can you give us a quick

844
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: run through about what this means and how it can

845
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 1: affect friendships as an adult.

846
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 5: I love when she said it because it's so easy

847
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 5: to visualize, right, these cute little planets just in a orbit,

848
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 5: And essentially it is just acknowledging that sometimes you may

849
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 5: not be in orbit with another friend and that's not

850
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 5: always a bad thing. I think, Look, it's each situation

851
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 5: is different. But I found that I had a lot

852
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 5: of peace kind of when she when she said that

853
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 5: just knowing that although you may not be in orbit

854
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 5: doesn't mean you have to be like angry at each

855
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 5: other or but you don't have to have you know,

856
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 5: it's not it doesn't have to be a bad thing, right,

857
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 5: so you can be happy for them if they're you know,

858
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 5: doing their own thing and you're doing your own thing,

859
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 5: and you might come back in orbit at another point

860
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 5: in life. But yeah, I just think that was a

861
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 5: really nice way of kind of framing it.

862
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 6: Can you like see it? Yes, yeah, and it makes sense.

863
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: It's why you know, I think in the book we

864
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: called it track changes, and it's when you, you know, have.

865
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Speaker 4: Your high school friends, you're in orbit.

866
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,959
Speaker 1: Then you get a job and you're working full time

867
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: with people, and then you kind of spend a little

868
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: bit more time with them, and then that's your orbital.

869
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: Maybe you move to a different country and like maybe

870
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: it's a bit of a slower orbit, like with some

871
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: friends that you talk maybe once a month on the phone.

872
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 4: But I like it because I can visualize it too. Yeah,

873
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 4: and I.

874
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Speaker 2: Do think like it's always relevant, I think, no matter

875
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: what stage of your life you're in, but.

876
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 7: Especially in your thirties.

877
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, as more people are getting married, having children,

878
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: perhaps progressing in their career, moving away, these separate orbits

879
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 2: are happening more and more, I feel, and it's becoming

880
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: secure within that in yourself. Yes, knowing that friendships do

881
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: ebb and flow and that they will exist in different orbits,

882
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: but that doesn't discount what they meant to you or

883
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Speaker 2: what they will mean to you going forward. We have

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Speaker 2: to finish off with our final question, what's your biggest

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Speaker 2: life lesson in your thirties so far.

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Speaker 5: Oh man, I think it is, you know, and it's

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Speaker 5: probably in relation to that as well, and what you

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Speaker 5: said al about that kind of secure place of understanding,

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Speaker 5: just understanding that we are all navigating shit and we

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00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 5: definitely just need to go a little bit easy on

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Speaker 5: ourselves and yeah, within our relationships too, because we are

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00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 5: all really just trying to figure it out. And so

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Speaker 5: that's probably been the best thing is to make peace

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Speaker 5: with that. And I think as well one of the

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00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 5: biggest life lessons was just taking time to figure out

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00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 5: my values and actually what I, you know, value moving

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Speaker 5: forward and what that looks like in feeling a bit

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Speaker 5: more fulfilled and content. And I did that session with

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Speaker 5: my psychologist. She spread out like eighty fucking cards on

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Speaker 5: the floor.

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Speaker 6: It was really fun. It was like a game, but

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Speaker 6: then it got really hard.

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Speaker 5: So we kind of put values in different sections like important,

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Speaker 5: not important, important, really important, and the only two that

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Speaker 5: I could remember in the really important, which was out

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Speaker 5: of ten, I think from the eighty four, the two

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Speaker 5: that I will always remember is just fun and inner piece,

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Speaker 5: and those just the two things that I want to

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Speaker 5: keep front of mind with like everything that I do,

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Speaker 5: and sometimes I won't.

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Speaker 6: Be good at it, but I think.

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Speaker 4: It's just north Star.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just you know, coming to know that, And yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think that's been a really nice lesson and realization

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Speaker 5: in my thirties.

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Speaker 6: I loved that was never too late.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for coming on the show again.

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Speaker 2: Bridget has been an absolute pleasure. But for the chickies

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Speaker 2: who don't already know, where can I find you?

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Speaker 5: I'm on Instagram at bridgeth pus to eight and yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'm just kind of working there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and go by Bridget the book and the book

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Speaker 6: that you guys kindly endorsed. Thank you for reading it early.

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Speaker 4: Of course, of course I was.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I was like vip accent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, thank you so much for coming on, And

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Speaker 2: thank you to m ik Made for making today's episode happen,

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Speaker 2: and to your chicks for having us in ear holes.

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Speaker 3: We love to be here. Kisses, bye chick, Bye.

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Speaker 2: Hi