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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Oscar Piastre scores a decisive victory over

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Speaker 1: Lando Norris at the Belgian Grand Prix, but it took

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Speaker 1: eighty minutes to get the race going. With maxistaff and

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Speaker 1: railing against race controls, conservatism in the West. My name

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Speaker 1: is Michael Lomonato. It's great to have your company and

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Speaker 1: the company of my co host. He's just come back

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Speaker 1: from the therapist after suffering from Belgium twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: flashbacks at around about one am on Monday.

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Speaker 2: It's Matt Clayton. Michael, it's good to join you. It

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Speaker 2: wasn't great to be conversing with you on Sunday night

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Speaker 2: where you can see this sort of unfolding horror story

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Speaker 2: coming out in front of you. But yes, I've managed

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Speaker 2: to emerge from underneath my easy up and I'm ready

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Speaker 2: to go for enjoyable podcast fun this morning. More Easy

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Speaker 2: Up commentary coming up later.

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Speaker 3: Do they go easy down? Though? Does one is?

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Speaker 1: Do you have to use easy whenever you use the

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Speaker 1: verb association.

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Speaker 2: There's never any mention of the descent, is there.

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Speaker 3: It's always about the assembly. It's easy to go up.

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Speaker 2: Clearly easy up does what it says on the tip,

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Speaker 2: but the whole down bit never discussed.

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Speaker 3: Better not talk about it.

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Speaker 1: I think let's talk instead about Oscar Piastre, who did

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Speaker 1: not have an easy way up to the top post

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Speaker 1: step of the podium. What it depends on that you

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Speaker 1: look at it. It looks dominant on Friday Matt I

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Speaker 1: thought on Friday that this was going to be a

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Speaker 1: really emphatic result and it wasn't the end, but in

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Speaker 1: quite a different way to what I expected, because he

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Speaker 1: took quite a securitus throute to get there, didn't get

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Speaker 1: a he got sprint polled, did not win the sprint,

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Speaker 1: did not get pole position, but did have a pretty

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Speaker 1: decisive victory in the end of Orlando Norris after that

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Speaker 1: pass on the first lap of racing like five anyway,

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Speaker 1: and I felt, and then after that obviously had to

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Speaker 1: make it to the end competitive that he managed to

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Speaker 1: do it. And I think this race really demonstrated maybe

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Speaker 1: all of the reasons he's become such a formidable title contender.

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Speaker 1: There is the execution in the past, there is the

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Speaker 1: race management after the fact, and even dare I say,

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Speaker 1: Matt a tiny bit, a small bit of emotion after

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Speaker 1: winning the race.

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Speaker 3: Just a small bit.

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Speaker 2: You want to get too carried away here when you've

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Speaker 2: won the most races by it Australia to Formula One

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Speaker 2: if he gets to seven, eight nine or more than that.

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Speaker 2: But I like what you said there. This was if

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Speaker 2: you were playing pistre dominance bingo here. This ticked a

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Speaker 2: lot of boxes for him because it's the decisiveness in

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Speaker 2: will to will battle early in races that's been a

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Speaker 2: feature of a lot of his victories this year. He

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Speaker 2: has made that move where he's had the one opportunity

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Speaker 3: Made it stick.

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Speaker 2: The interesting part for me was he was clearly on

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Speaker 2: rest of that race after that, I think it was

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Speaker 2: a point where he had so much in reserve that

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Speaker 2: he set his fastest lap of the race I believe on.

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Speaker 3: The second last lap of the race.

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Speaker 2: And so while it was being built up as being

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Speaker 2: the you know Norris's coming, He's on the hard at tires,

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Speaker 2: them more durable, he can push. And there's a narrative

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Speaker 2: that's being pushed in the commentary that will probably get

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Speaker 2: But I don't know about you, but watching it with

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Speaker 2: McLaren have double stacked their drivers to perhaps reduce the

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Speaker 2: disadvantage that Norris had by coming in a lap later? Look, possibly,

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Speaker 2: And Norris threw the hail Mary roll the dice heavy

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Speaker 2: But there was an inevitability to the way that Piastre

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Speaker 2: if you look at Piastre's victories this season last season,

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Speaker 2: that win that he had in Azerbaijan was one of

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Speaker 2: that's fine because it is a means to an end here.

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Speaker 2: He gets his work done early and then things from there,

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Speaker 2: and it's that push pull of the when to be aggressive,

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Speaker 2: an inevitability to these victories once he gets out there.

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Speaker 2: It ticked every box and it was just another reason

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Speaker 2: why this championship is going to be won by McLaren

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Speaker 2: It's close enough that it's not decisively one way's Piastre's,

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Speaker 2: in that sort of range, because yes, Piastre has a

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Speaker 2: me makes him a slight favorite for this world title.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the specific numbers. I appreciate That's what

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 1: You're right, though dominant victories are really the thrilling ones,

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Speaker 1: they do tend to be dull. There was a little

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Speaker 1: many times Lando Norris took half a second out of

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Speaker 1: Oscar Piastre without the gap changing from about eight and

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Speaker 1: This was, I say, his eighth career victory. That's one

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Speaker 1: short now of Mark Webber's career total of nine, not

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Speaker 1: at Jack Bradmont fourteen Alan Jones on twelve. But more interestingly,

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Speaker 2: And it's funny like this is a stat that we've

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at this now with eleven rounds to go,

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Speaker 2: I still can't quite believe. So Jack Brabham had fourteen

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Speaker 2: and that seems completely doable based on the pace advantage

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Speaker 1: I think outright those records will fall and suddenly we're

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Speaker 1: which is really remarkable again to think about this is

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Speaker 1: Abu Dhabi. He's no slouch. He's very fast, he's a

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Speaker 1: he struck. We've talked a couple of people about it,

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Speaker 2: bit like you. It became much more of a talking

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Speaker 2: point in this part of the world than I expected

436
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Speaker 2: it to be on the Monday after the race, which

437
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Speaker 2: I guess is good because it means lots of people

438
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Speaker 2: are watching Formula One because well we.

439
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Speaker 1: Know why, yes exactly now. I think that's right, and

440
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Speaker 1: I've found it actually a little bit frustrating that there

441
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Speaker 1: was some commentary afterwards saying that, well, they don't race

442
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Speaker 1: in the wet anymore, when literally the previous race was

443
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Speaker 1: a wet race, and arguably race controls should have intervened

444
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Speaker 1: a little bit more in that race, considering there were

445
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Speaker 1: crashes there due to visibility they had Jant and another

446
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Speaker 1: crazy thing as you mentioned, and perhaps some others were

447
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Speaker 1: due to that as well. So you can't argue that

448
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Speaker 1: when literally the previous race was a fully wet race

449
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Speaker 1: at Silverstone, but really different circuits, like you say, Silverston

450
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,320
Speaker 1: is wide and flat and there's a lot of run off.

451
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Speaker 1: Even though it's a high speed circuit that is dangerous.

452
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,359
Speaker 1: Spa is much more dangerous, like you said, we've learned

453
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Speaker 1: that to devastating effect recently. So I think that's perfectly

454
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Speaker 1: fine that they called that, And I think there's also

455
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Speaker 1: a bit of a I associate this with Michael Massey,

456
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Speaker 1: but I and I think it was him that sort

457
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Speaker 1: of brought this print, which is that it's better to

458
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Speaker 1: try and manage a racer that you get the maximum

459
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Speaker 1: number of racing laps, and if that means delaying the

460
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Speaker 1: start a bit or a lot in this case, that's

461
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Speaker 1: better because the alternative was, yes, you lose five laps

462
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Speaker 1: circulating behind the safety guard to get some water off.

463
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Speaker 1: Maybe you would have got three laps free, and then

464
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Speaker 1: the rain would have arrived and you would have red flagged,

465
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Speaker 1: and then by the time you restarted another couple of

466
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Speaker 1: laps behind the safety card, you've lost a quarter of

467
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Speaker 1: the race distance effectively, And then what's the point of that?

468
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Speaker 1: May as well, wait, we got well, it wasn't quite

469
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Speaker 1: forty four laps because we spent four behind the safety car.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that could have been short of.

471
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Speaker 1: But we've got forty laps, let's say, of racing, which

472
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Speaker 1: is a better outcome.

473
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Speaker 3: I think a better outcome.

474
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Speaker 1: For the sport as well, considering we are now in

475
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Speaker 1: that championship mindset where every point is going to count.

476
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Speaker 1: For those two tidal leaders, it would have been frustrating,

477
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Speaker 1: certainly if they'd walked away with half points or something

478
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Speaker 1: else some other silly results. So I think actually the

479
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 1: result for the sport was better, which is maybe I

480
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Speaker 1: was a little bit surprised in the end that we

481
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Speaker 1: got such a straightforward sporting spectacle. I suppose, not the

482
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Speaker 1: overtaking per se, but just that we've got a pretty

483
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Speaker 1: standard race rather than one that was interrupted a lot

484
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Speaker 1: and had some kind of silly outcome of no reason.

485
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Speaker 2: And we're probably a little bit jumpy still with this

486
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Speaker 2: venue in twenty twenty one, which we were laughing about

487
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Speaker 2: it before was an absolute nonsense because there was no

488
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Speaker 2: way that anything was going to go around that day,

489
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Speaker 2: and they basically did two laps and corded a race

490
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Speaker 2: so that the promoters were told, well, you had a

491
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Speaker 2: car race, and you if anyone's asking for refunds, then

492
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Speaker 2: you have to deal with that and we don't have to.

493
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Speaker 2: So it was declared a Formula one race even though

494
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Speaker 2: that it two laps. Information behind the safety car, so

495
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Speaker 2: confluence of circumstances, circuit history, a whole bunch of things.

496
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Speaker 2: But I think in the end of the day, like

497
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Speaker 2: you said, we got a race away at the end,

498
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Speaker 2: it was a little bit delayed. The last thing you

499
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Speaker 2: want here is for there to be some outlier of

500
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Speaker 2: a result or half points or something that doesn't make

501
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Speaker 2: this pure championship fight, and the good news is we

502
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Speaker 2: have eleven rounds of that.

503
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Speaker 3: Still to go.

504
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Speaker 1: Let's move down map to Move of the Week, brought

505
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Speaker 1: to you by Shannon's. Not heaps of moves this week,

506
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Speaker 1: but there were some moves. I suspect it's gonna be

507
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Speaker 1: one that probably at the top of the table, but

508
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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you the chance to give me

509
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Speaker 1: your move of the week.

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Speaker 3: First.

511
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Speaker 2: Well, I've just called up our good friends at forexx here.

512
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Speaker 2: I've just had a look at there were twenty five

513
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Speaker 2: overtakes apparently in the Grand Prix on Sunday, which is

514
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Speaker 2: more than I thought. I remember about three of them.

515
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go moves of the week plural here

516
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Speaker 2: because the move of the week is qualifying second, because

517
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Speaker 2: we know how that we know how that works out.

518
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Speaker 2: Because Oscar Piastre had pole for the sprint race, Max

519
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 2: Tostaff and was second, overtook Piastre on the first racing lap,

520
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Speaker 2: went off to win the race, and in the Grand Prix,

521
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Speaker 2: Norris on pole, Piastre second. Piastre over took Norris on

522
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Speaker 2: the first racing lap of the race, lap five, I

523
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Speaker 2: think you said, and then went on to win the race,

524
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Speaker 2: and it's the way this track is configured that starting

525
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Speaker 2: second and having the toe all the way up the

526
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Speaker 2: hill from Orouge through Radion down the camel straight, that

527
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Speaker 2: is your chance. And it becomes more heightened with the

528
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Speaker 2: fact that these cars spar is so fast and so

529
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Speaker 2: narrow and places where you could overtake in the past

530
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Speaker 2: and no longer overtaking places anymore, like the bus do

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Speaker 2: used to be the spot there used to be a

532
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Speaker 2: lot of people going down as a La Saurce or

533
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Speaker 2: turn one if you like, if you were to Michael

534
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 2: Labonatto Courner numbers rather than names. But there's not too

535
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Speaker 2: many places you can pass on this track now. And

536
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Speaker 2: we were discussing golf there before, how SPA has kind

537
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Speaker 2: of become still a fantastic race track, a real driver's track,

538
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Speaker 2: but not a track that encourages great races anymore. And

539
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Speaker 2: its cousin in this sense of modern day Formula one

540
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Speaker 2: is Suzuka and they were two of the races that

541
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Speaker 2: you would always look forward to back in the day

542
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Speaker 2: because they were such unreal layouts with fantastic places to pass.

543
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 2: These aren't passing tracks anymore, so you've got to take

544
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Speaker 2: your chance, so moves plural of the week. Whoever qualified

545
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Speaker 2: second at SPA Verstappan in the spread, Piastre in the

546
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Speaker 2: Grand Prix, hats off to you because that was probably

547
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Speaker 2: the major fact of you won on Saturday and Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think so, well, look at me, just compliment

549
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Speaker 1: that and say, because my backup was going to be

550
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Speaker 1: back to Staffen's pass and past in the s taking

551
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Speaker 1: both of them. But that's two we only need to

552
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Speaker 1: give away too. We don't need to be overly generous,

553
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Speaker 1: but both in a different way. V Stappan's more conventional

554
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Speaker 1: by starting on the grid and just doing the job well.

555
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Speaker 3: I thought.

556
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Speaker 1: Piastres, though, as we sort of talked about, was more

557
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Speaker 1: impressive for the way that he had to deal with

558
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Speaker 1: a rolling start and in the wet so much harder

559
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Speaker 1: to judge the circumstances. The way he tackled o' rouge

560
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Speaker 1: as well, for the first time at racing speed with

561
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Speaker 1: racing fuel in wet conditions really guts it, really brave,

562
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Speaker 1: you can go and find so there's some publications of

563
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Speaker 1: the telemetry as well, just to see what he did to.

564
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Speaker 3: Manage that gap.

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Speaker 1: Awesome really and managed the speed even out of the

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Speaker 1: first turnal the source, if you will, to make sure

567
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Speaker 1: that he didn't catch Norris too quickly and then lose

568
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Speaker 1: his momentum. It was just so well judged, even the

569
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Speaker 1: way that he kind of I'm not even sure one

570
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Speaker 1: hundred percent certain how intentional it was, but kind of

571
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Speaker 1: dummied into that first corner to force Norris to kind

572
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Speaker 1: of cover him, compromise the exit. Everything about that, because

573
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Speaker 1: it's a long run up to where the pass was,

574
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Speaker 1: was so well managed and judged. And I think that

575
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Speaker 1: goes back to the point we started with, which was

576
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Speaker 1: that he really showed everything he's got this weekend and

577
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Speaker 1: emerge with the victory as the result.

578
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Speaker 2: And this is one thing to know that this is

579
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Speaker 2: going to be your opportunity. But as you said, dealing

580
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Speaker 2: with a rolling start and dealing with the wet, he

581
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Speaker 2: actually did it so well that I almost thought that

582
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Speaker 2: he'd overtaken him too early, because it wasn't luck he

583
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Speaker 2: got him. He didn't get Norris in the breaking zone

584
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Speaker 2: at the end of the Kemel straight there. He got

585
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Speaker 2: it well before that, and I thought, oh, if you

586
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: showed your hand a little bit too early there. But

587
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Speaker 2: this is part of what we're talking about before. There's

588
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Speaker 2: this clarity of determining where to take your advantage and

589
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Speaker 2: then coolly executing that that you know you mentioned it before.

590
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Speaker 2: The guy still in his third Formula One season, it's

591
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Speaker 2: not like he's been around for ten years and he's

592
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Speaker 2: got heaps of experience doing this at particular tracks, and

593
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Speaker 2: this is such a particular track. Yet the execution of

594
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Speaker 2: something he made something that was very difficult look very easy,

595
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Speaker 2: and if you go back and watch the onboards or

596
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Speaker 2: look at the telemetry, as you said, that was far

597
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Speaker 2: from an easy overtake.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, hats off.

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Speaker 1: Now let's be on to a couple of other matters

600
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Speaker 1: from the week, and I feel very embarrassed mat that

601
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Speaker 1: we haven't even talked about the sprint, which is obviously

602
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Speaker 1: an integral part of Felt and Grop.

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Speaker 3: Pre weekend there was a sprint on was it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? There was, I believe so ironically it was actually

605
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Speaker 1: really quite a convenient time and was not delayed by

606
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Speaker 1: the rain, which must to be very exciting for people

607
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Speaker 1: watching it.

608
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Speaker 2: Can I tell you a story about the sprint before

609
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Speaker 2: you can go any further, please, let's take the Let's

610
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Speaker 2: take the listeners behind the curtain here. So Saturday night

611
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Speaker 2: convenient time, as you said, also convenient time for living,

612
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Speaker 2: like doing other things under than formula one, which I

613
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Speaker 2: was doing at the which I was doing at the time.

614
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Speaker 2: And my plan was to get home a little late

615
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Speaker 2: and then watch the sprint without knowing the result, which

616
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Speaker 2: in modern day social media is basically impossible. And I

617
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Speaker 2: saw the results, and I sent you a message and said,

618
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Speaker 2: let me guess for stappan overtook Piastri at the end

619
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Speaker 2: of Kemel straight on lap one, and then everyone else

620
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Speaker 2: read around in order for the remaining eleventh laps, and

621
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Speaker 2: you came back to me and said, yeah, pretty much,

622
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Speaker 2: So hand up here. I have not watched the sprint,

623
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Speaker 2: and I will not watch the sprint because that's twenty

624
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Speaker 2: five minutes of my life.

625
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Speaker 3: That I can have back.

626
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Speaker 2: And I just think it shows the general apathy to

627
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Speaker 2: the very inconsistent nature of having sprints on the calendar

628
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Speaker 2: these days. Because you mentioned this afterwards, all three podium

629
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Speaker 2: finishes in the sprint, they were asked about the sprint

630
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Speaker 2: and they basically came out and said, oh, yeah, but

631
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: it was only the sprint. No one really cares. And

632
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: it was just so yes, it was a car race

633
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Speaker 2: that it was five, but it was a little bit

634
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Speaker 2: flat and I can't say that I shed too many

635
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: tears from missing it in the moment and have had

636
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: no desire to watch since. But perhaps that's a little

637
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: bit harsh. But this is where we are with sprints

638
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, and it's not even to me

639
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: the number of sprints that we have over the course

640
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Speaker 2: of the season.

641
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Speaker 3: It's where we have them.

642
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: And we know that the six best tracks for sprints

643
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: are ever going to be the six that are chosen,

644
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Speaker 2: because that's not why the sprints get chosen, is it.

645
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, I think I've seen I'm not sure there's

646
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: been confirmed, but I think the Dutch Grand Prix organizers

647
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: potentially have accidentally announced they've got one next to you

648
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Speaker 1: for their last race.

649
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Speaker 3: And that's not a tracking. Additionally, not at all of

650
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Speaker 3: a high.

651
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Speaker 1: But I actually I was thinking about this during this sprint,

652
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Speaker 1: in which not a lot happened. There's a bit of

653
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: tension you ask of Pastory obvious had the quicker car,

654
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Speaker 1: but Max was just too good out of that first turn,

655
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Speaker 1: and there was no strategy obviously in the sprint, but

656
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Speaker 1: almost you almost want to give them to where racing

657
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: is more difficult because the race is not long enough

658
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: for you get too frustrated by it. You know, had

659
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Speaker 1: there been had this been the race and that had

660
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: been for stapping the lead and been the dry, we

661
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: know McLaren would have got ahead eventually through strategy because

662
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: that had the fast race car either would have undercut

663
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: or overcut and it would have merged the lead either way,

664
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Speaker 1: and then it would have been over and you'd be like,

665
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: all right, that's what it is. But at least in

666
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: a short race, you know, the only way is for

667
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: him to make a move on track. The problem, of course,

668
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 1: is that with stapp and not in the championship fight,

669
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: there wasn't that much motivation to take that much risk.

670
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Speaker 3: You know, he had to go. I'm not saying that

671
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 3: he didn't.

672
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 1: As long as you've injured ahead of Norris, that's all

673
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Speaker 1: that really mattered.

674
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Speaker 3: Let's be honest. Even if he was behind him, it

675
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 3: would have.

676
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: Been one point loss. It wouldn't have mattered that much.

677
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: So we talked a lot about the sprint last week.

678
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: If you want any more about opinions, you can go

679
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: and listen to last week's episode. I think the format

680
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: is fine, but it's just so inconsequential it's not even

681
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: worth talking about it any further.

682
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: Let's talk about some other methods.

683
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: They need to ask us to pick the six circuits

684
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 2: that we have sprints and scanning up and down the calendar.

685
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: I'm saying we should have won at Azerbaijan.

686
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I'm surprised that they started it there, didn't

687
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: they Well, that was one of the first or in

688
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: the first season, and I don't remember it was good

689
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: or not, but it's one that would be good, you

690
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: would think.

691
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: All I remember from that year was that the slogan

692
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: for the race was the speeds are higher in the

693
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Speaker 2: land of Fire.

694
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: That was all I.

695
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: Remember from the very first days of Grand Prix. Other

696
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: than that, I couldn't tell you. But there are six

697
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: circuits that would be better than Spa to have sprints.

698
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: Intel Goss is wide and I'm glad we've got that

699
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: that's always served up a good sprint, But there's some

700
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: you can just work your way down the order and go, no,

701
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: we're not down there, We're not going there. But when

702
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: they call us to ask us which six we want,

703
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: we'll we'll put our claim.

704
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: In we'll have the list ready to go. I'm doing

705
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: about a couple of other stories from this weekend, first

706
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: weekend without Christian Horner on the Red Bull Racing pitball.

707
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: Don't think anyone noticed after too long. Things moved pretty quickly.

708
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: In Formula one, Laura Meggie has got his career as

709
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing team principle off to the perfect start

710
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: with Maxi Stafford winning that forgetable sprint. But it didn't

711
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: I obviously wasn't able to finish on the podium in

712
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: the Grand Prix. Was Maxis stapp and frustrated. It wasn't irony.

713
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: You know.

714
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: We talked about the rain earlier on that in Silverston

715
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: had set up his car as a dry and it

716
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: turned out to be wet. In Belgium, he set it

717
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: up for the wet and most of the race and

718
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: being dry, but that's sometimes just the luck of things.

719
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: But I actually want to talk about Uki Sinodo, who's

720
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: scored no points again, but actually I think much better

721
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: weekend from him, certainly qualifying because his best qualifying at

722
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing, both in terms of being seven on

723
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: the grid and the percentage difference between him and the

724
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: staffen so in terms of pace, got an upgrade this weekend.

725
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: Still not on the same class of upgrades, but there's

726
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: a little difference there. But I thought it was actually

727
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: the way he talked about his feeling after qualifying, of

728
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: having Lauren on the pit wall, felt like he felt

729
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: like he was back at racing Bulls where he must

730
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: have fond memories of his own high level of performance.

731
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Speaker 1: That I think is actually something we might see changing

732
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: relatively quickly, that maybe just this change of manager might

733
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: activate that second driver a little bit.

734
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned not many people had missed Christian Horne

735
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: and not being there, including the Red Bull Comms department

736
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: that still had a Christian's name above Laurel Mickeys's quotes

737
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: and their post race press release of I forgot the

738
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: age the template.

739
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 3: There would quotes. We don't know.

740
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: It could have been his quotes. He's probably on a

741
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: horse somewhere or doing something.

742
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 3: It shows you.

743
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: We've discussed this in the past with Sonoda. We forget

744
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 2: sometimes because this is a mechanical, data driven sport, there

745
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: is a human element that is less important for some

746
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: drivers and more important for others and some you know,

747
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: it's the character stick approach, isn't it. Sonoda is someone

748
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: who needs an arm Randy's shoulder to perhaps flatten out

749
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: some of the emotional peaks and troughs that we've seen

750
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: him go through. He clearly responds to a different type

751
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: of management structure, and as Sir Jeo Buru Is memorably

752
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: said in an interview just recently, the whole Red Bull

753
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: set up is the second driver is somewhat of an

754
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 2: inconvenience there. Let's be perfectly honest, because the whole thing

755
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: is based around for stapit and for some drivers they

756
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: might take that as a well, you know, I'll show you,

757
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: I'll make you care about me because I'll get great

758
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: results and there's a bit of us against the world

759
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: and you know, fight your own corner. Maybe Sonoda's not

760
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: that driver, and that's not a criticism of Sonoda in

761
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: any way. Different people need different things to go racing

762
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 2: and be the best version of themselves. And there's a

763
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: personal touch there with the Mechias stuff, because we know

764
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: that there is a history between the two of them.

765
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: But even little things like coming off the pit wall

766
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: or out of the garage to sort of give him

767
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: the thumbs up and the round of applause after a

768
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: particularly good session. Sonoda wasn't getting that in the past,

769
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: and there was absolutely no way and hell he was

770
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: going to get that in the past. And whether that

771
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: is consciously annoying him or not, that's something that's not

772
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: allowing you to be the best version of yourself. And

773
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: so if he feels that there's a little bit more

774
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: belief and investment in what he's doing, perhaps that contributes

775
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: to just being a little bit better on track. He

776
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: was actually really unlucky, just unfortunate in the race. I

777
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: think he got called in the call for him to

778
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: come into pit came too late and he was already

779
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: past the pit lane entry point, so he didn't pit

780
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: when he was supposed to and fell outside.

781
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 3: Of the points.

782
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: Pace Wise, it was a lot more convincing. I don't

783
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: think there's suddenly going to be this huge transformation and

784
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: that Red Bull are suddenly going to have two cars

785
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: in Q three every weekend and they're going to be

786
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: fighting for something meaningful. But it was the first time

787
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: you could actually say since Sonoda has been there that, oh,

788
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 2: there is an uptick in his performance. And there is

789
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: so much of this season left to go. We know

790
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: that Redbell's winning need the championship this year, but it

791
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: does pose an interesting question for twenty twenty six because

792
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: we've got a new rule set coming in. The whole

793
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: Red Bull thing is very up in the air. We

794
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: know that v Stappens likely to stay now, which we'll

795
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: get into in a bit, but the identity of who

796
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: drives that second car it still seems to be, well,

797
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: who's going to be driving at and in the past,

798
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: does anyone care who's driving it? Because it didn't really

799
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: feel like they did. I wonder if this is the

800
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: first step to him having a perfectly decent end of

801
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: the season and doing enough to at least maintain the

802
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: status quo because there is a fast Formula One driver

803
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: in there. We've seen that he's never going to be

804
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: the most metronomically consistent driver because that's not in his nature.

805
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: But he's also someone that can throw a surprise result

806
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: from time to time if he feels that the team's

807
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: behind him and he's got some beliefs, So it wouldn't

808
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: surprise me if at all, if this becomes the rule

809
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: rather than the exception. I don't think he's going to

810
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: be amazing. I think he's going to be better than

811
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: he has shown since he's been at Rebull Racing.

812
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we shouldn't forget. I mean, notwithstanding that maybe

813
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 1: policies changed a little bit under a new team Vincible,

814
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: but really what Red Bull Racing has wanted acknowledging that

815
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: Max wi stapp and regardless of the folly of potentially

816
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: building a team exclusively around him, is very good and

817
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: they've only wanted a driver who can get within about

818
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: three tenths of him. That's usually pretty respectable. Maybe these

819
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: days it's so much closer at Theront you want a

820
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: little bit less, but that was essentially where he was

821
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: this weekend. So as long as he can be thereabouts,

822
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: that's good enough.

823
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 3: And I think there's.

824
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: Maybe almost a bit of a perverse advantage in these

825
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: circumstances of him having had such a bad start that

826
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: the only way he's up for him in a weird way,

827
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: And yeah, it doesn't matter. You know, there's a momentum alember.

828
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: There's also a you know, everyone loves to say you're

829
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: only as good as your last result. But if we

830
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: get to the end of the year and he's gone

831
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: from being regularly out in Q one and Q two

832
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 1: to being regularly in the top ten and regularly scoring.

833
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: That's going to look like, well, it will be real progress,

834
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,479
Speaker 1: even if it's still down on what he was doing

835
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: at other teams or at Racing Bulls any other team.

836
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 1: I think that will count for something. I'd be surprised

837
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: when we don't know how the second half of the

838
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: season looks for him. Maybe it's just as bad as

839
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: the first, and then we do have more difficult conversations,

840
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: but wouldn't be surprised with some improved results if they

841
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: make what I think will be the right decision, short

842
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: of some much more experienced driver suddenly rocking up on

843
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: the market, and give him that second year in a

844
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: new car that, hopefully for the sake of the team

845
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: as much as the driver doesn't have all those negative

846
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: traits built into it that make it so undriveable for

847
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: anyone who isn't max with Staffen, and then he can

848
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: perform in the way that we know and the way

849
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: that he proved I think in the last well eighteen months,

850
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: or let's say the year and a bit before he

851
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: moved to Red Bull Racing, that he deserves that shot

852
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: at being a front running driver, But that remains to

853
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: be seen. I guess for next year. We do know

854
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: now or ninety nine percent certain that Max with Staffann

855
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: will be staying next year because Helmet Marco, who was

856
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 1: told not that long ago to stop talking to the media,

857
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: has told the media that Max with Staffen is locked

858
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: in now for next year. But we kind of knew

859
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: that Matt, didn't We from what we knew about the

860
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: contract clauses, the escape clauses that this was always likely

861
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: going to happen.

862
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: Well, if we're understanding the same clause here, I believe

863
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 2: that Verstaffen would have had freedom to do whatever he

864
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: wished or at least break the contract he had if

865
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: he was outside the top three in the World Championship

866
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 2: at the mid season break, and looking at the points

867
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: table now he cannot be outside the point of the

868
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: top three and the mid season break which is coming

869
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: up after Hungary, he is what is that eighteen points

870
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 2: ahead of George Russell who is in fourth. But even

871
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: if George Russell was to tie him after Hungary, Verstappam

872
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 2: would have the tiebreaker by virtue of winning more races.

873
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: So maxis staying where he is at least for twenty

874
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: twenty six. So I think it takes that out of

875
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 2: the equation, and I think you'll probably see a Russell

876
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: George Russell deal with Mercedes announced in pretty short order now,

877
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: So it's going to maintain the status quo. Now, what

878
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 2: happens after twenty six comes in and new engines and

879
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: are red Bull any good and what's going on with

880
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: the power trains and so on and so forth. That's

881
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: a subsequent conversation. But I think the Max Boltington Mercedes stories,

882
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 2: we can probably press pause on those for a while.

883
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: Yes, And a hash tip I suppose to Nico Rosberg

884
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: and think I'd say that too often for trying to

885
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: get some answers out of yours for stuff about this entire.

886
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: Can we talk about Nicoburg for a second here? There

887
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: is a loose.

888
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 2: Canned element to him being on the sky f one broadcast, because,

889
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 2: let's be honest, Nico Rosberg doesn't need to be there.

890
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: Nico Rosberg may even not want to be there all

891
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: that much. Nico Rosberg doesn't care what you think and

892
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: doesn't care about protocols or anything else. So there is

893
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: a delightful element of kind of car crash TV going

894
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: on when he's got a microphone and it's live, and

895
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: he joined Martin Brundle on the grid walk before the

896
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: Belgian Grand Prix, and it was probably the most fun

897
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: I've had watching Nico Rosberg do anything for quite some time,

898
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: because it was slightly unhinged and you knew that he

899
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: was just going to wade in there and asking difficult

900
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: questions because he does not care what you think about

901
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: you in terms of the response. I thoroughly enjoyed it

902
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: and it was quite fun seeing your squirm a little bit,

903
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: wasn't it.

904
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: Yes, it's amazing.

905
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: What affected has it a person when they know they're

906
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: probably wealthier than everyone on the.

907
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 3: Grit they're going to talk to what do you mean? Probably?

908
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: Yes, there was that point where you're not allowed to

909
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: talk to the drivers anymore because it's close to end

910
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: them time and you can hear Martin Brundle, please h

911
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: Rosford not to try to talk to or any drivers

912
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: because someone will particulably get in trouble for it. Before

913
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: we wrap up, I do want to touch very briefly

914
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: on Lewis Hamilton and Ferrari. Dreadful weekend for Lewis Hamilton,

915
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: but a reasonable outcome I suppose in the context, not

916
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: in the context of what he expected himself. Seven to

917
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: the Belgian Grand Prix, not great someone who's wanted so

918
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: many times, but coming from eighteenth on the grid made

919
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: many of those twenty odd overtakes that you mentioned all

920
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: in the wet, though in the dry couldn't overtake anyone,

921
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: at least of all Alex Elbon, who finished ahead of him,

922
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: not for the first time this season as well. So

923
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: that says a little bit of something, but a little

924
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: bit of optimism at the end of a weekend in

925
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 1: which Ferrari brought that significant suspension change. Char Leclair, at least,

926
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: who had a better weekend, was much more positive about them,

927
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: so he could feel the difference that had worked. Lewis

928
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: Hamilton as his way when things aren't going his way,

929
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: says nothing is good and everything is bad. But I

930
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: suspect this week and in hungry he might actually realize

931
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: the upgrade was okay. But I thought there's two sizes,

932
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: isn't there. On the one hand, Ferrari emerged looking like

933
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: a competitive for sex and best with red bull racing

934
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: this weekend and scored more points and red bulls. But

935
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: on the other hand, I thought it was very telling

936
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: how unenthusiastically charlote Cliff finished third on the podium, realizing

937
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: there's twenty seconds to McLaren in a race with no

938
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: safety cards. I think that's sort of that's that tells

939
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: you everything about Ferrari season.

940
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, it does.

941
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: I mean, he was not the happiest buddy on the

942
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: podium there when he's standing there with a bunch of

943
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: people wearing orange. He was in there for the team photos,

944
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: but not super enthusiastic about it. But the Hamilton weekend,

945
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: I think it was what happened on Sunday salvaged a

946
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: pretty dire weekend for him personally. But we also know

947
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 2: that there's probably plenty of head room with him in

948
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: that upgrade package for the Ferrari to get better. The

949
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: interesting part for me is that yes, we already have

950
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: one race before the mid season break. It's a what

951
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: you might say is he's best historically his best circuit.

952
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: He's been amazingly good at Hungary over the years, and

953
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: I think if we're ever going to see him come

954
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 2: to terms with a new package for a new car

955
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: that he's only intermittently shone with this year, I think

956
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 2: this weekend in Budapest, assuming that we get a sensible,

957
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: dry race weekend where they're clearly not going to be

958
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: fighting for the top step. It'd be really interesting to

959
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: see what difference he can make at a circuit where

960
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: he's typically been really, really good with a weekend of

961
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: getting used to this upgrade package under his belt. I

962
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: think this conversation that you and I have right now

963
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: might be very different this time next week, because if

964
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: he is able to have a strong top five, say

965
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 2: in Budapest, and certainly be the equal to or maybe

966
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: even ahead of Leclaire, I think that's a real step

967
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: in the right direction.

968
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's worth saying. In the last or the four

969
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: races before Belgium, let's say, has been really much closer

970
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: to Charlott Clair, qualifying ahead of him regularly, in fact

971
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: more often than not, and in the races he's been

972
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: reasonable as well. Yes, Laclire maybe hasn't had the cleanestrun,

973
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: but it shows that that progress was there. But there

974
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: are a couple of things that take him back. I mean,

975
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: an upgrade on sprint weekend is always a risk, I think,

976
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: particularly for a driver who is still adjusting to some

977
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: of the nuances of this car. A change in brake

978
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: material we've learned now as well. It's probably worth I

979
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: thought it was an interesting or an important time to

980
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: remember that his years of Mercedes, everything that happened at

981
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: that time is essentially iterative. Once you get used to

982
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: the car for the first time, everything just changes gradually

983
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: and you're part of that gradual change. At Ferrari's had

984
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: to get used to brand new car and then all

985
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: these sudden changes sort of throw him out of that

986
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: process a little bit. We should make excuses. He's a

987
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: seven time world champion. He would have been expecting to

988
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: do better than this at this point. But it all

989
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: feels explainable, especially when the target is next year anyway,

990
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: when everyone's going to start from a clean page. So

991
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: as long as he's not embarrassing himself out there this season,

992
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: I think there's still reason to feel like this Ferrari

993
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: chapter doesn't have to be a Peter out and can

994
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: at least deliver some high points.

995
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Dan, and I think you mentioned the back

996
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: end of the season here. It was a characteristic of

997
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 2: all of his championship winning seasons at Mercedes, or even

998
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 2: seasons in his career where he's not been fighting for

999
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: a World Championship. He's always been a much better second

1000
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 2: half driver than a first half driver, and a lot

1001
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: of the times he would win his championships with Mercedes

1002
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: is we would get the other side of the mid

1003
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: season break and he would just be absolutely lights out.

1004
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 2: For the rest of the season, he would be fantastic,

1005
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: including quite frankly, the season that he didn't win the

1006
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: World Championship in twenty twenty one, where I don't I

1007
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: think that might be the best he's ever driven. Over

1008
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: the last five or six races of that season, he

1009
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: was absolutely perfect, and we know why he didn't win

1010
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: the World Championship. But there is a trend there. He

1011
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: is really really good towards the back end of seasons.

1012
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: That's when he tends to peak. When you mentioned before,

1013
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: he's comfortable with the environment and the machinery and the

1014
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: way it's developed, and then he can be the best

1015
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: version of himself. I think the arrow will point up

1016
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: for him for the rest of the season.

1017
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: We pretty much used up all of our time him out,

1018
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: but we cannot end without visiting the crystal ball by

1019
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: complete home filtration. I don't think either of us have

1020
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: much of a record on this this season, we should

1021
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: have been keeping a tally within again, maybe better that

1022
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: we don't. Boy certainly think whatever I wanted to predict

1023
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: the Hamilton's Sprint, wind of a staff and race win.

1024
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 2: Dire I had a Mercedes or the podium. It's even

1025
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: more dire if we're going to have a competition to

1026
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 2: see whose crystal ball needs to go in the bin

1027
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: the first. But yeah, I've managed to plug by crystal

1028
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: ball in this week and actually get some sort of

1029
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: battery in it. And I'm going to stick with something

1030
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: we discussed before in terms of the Yuki Sindo question

1031
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: at Red Bull Racing. So, Yuki Sonoda is currently in

1032
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: seventeenth place in the World Championship standings with ten points,

1033
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: and he has not scored since round seven, which is

1034
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,959
Speaker 2: a very very long time ago. Round seven, he says,

1035
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: hovering his mouse over the table, here was back in

1036
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: the Amelia Romonia Grand Prix. Lest we forget that one.

1037
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: I'm going to go out on a limb. Here my

1038
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: crystal ball says that by the end of the season,

1039
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: Yuki Sonoda is going to score at least thirty points.

1040
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 2: So he's going to score twenty points in the remaining

1041
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: eleven rounds of the season. That's actually not a lot.

1042
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: But you can get to thirty points if you can

1043
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: get to thirty points, if you have a sixth here

1044
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 2: and a couple of sevenths there, and I think that's

1045
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: entirely possible. So we can revisit this one in December

1046
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 2: if I'm correct, and if I'm not correct, I will

1047
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: never mention it again, and neither will you.

1048
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: I like that if he scores thirty points, not thirty

1049
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: additional points or thirty in total.

1050
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: No, thirty total. I'm not going to give thirty more.

1051
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 2: I'm going to get He'll get to the he's going

1052
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: to have to score twenty one more points for the remainder.

1053
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 3: Of the season.

1054
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: I think it's happening.

1055
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: So he still finishes behind Nikko HOLKENBERGA very probably.

1056
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: That's I do. I know he's got thirty seven seven.

1057
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 3: It's thirty seven to twenty seven. I like it. I

1058
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 3: like the long range.

1059
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: I like the simultaneously low but high bars somehow, so

1060
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm very excited to see that. I'm going to continue

1061
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: I think probably flogging a dead horse with this one.

1062
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: I've made a lot of Lewis Hamilton predictions that obviously

1063
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: have not come true. But like you say, this is

1064
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: one of his arguably his best track probably with Silverston,

1065
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: and he's got eight victories here, way more than anybody else,

1066
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: and Hungry is a long standing circling forward on.

1067
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 3: It's been around for a long.

1068
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: Time and he's just consistently been fast here. I think

1069
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: he's not going to win it, but I think he's

1070
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: going to get onto the podium. That's as good as

1071
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: any anyone else can aim for this season, obviously, because

1072
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: I think McLaren's gonna have things in pretty straightforward fashion

1073
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: like they did last year with the one two. I'll

1074
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: be McLaren one to where things with Lewis Hamilton complementing

1075
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: the podium.

1076
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: I do like this because you're working on the theory

1077
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: that a stopped clock is right twice a day. So

1078
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: you're just going to keep we Habilton predictions out there

1079
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: and sometime between now in December you're going to go

1080
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: see I got my Habilt one right, and I won't

1081
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: have to remind you that the previous ten were complete rubbish.

1082
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's see what happens.

1083
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,959
Speaker 1: But I don't have high homes personally Considay, how often

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