WEBVTT - Israel's war with Hezbollah inflames civil war tensions

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<v Speaker 1>On a street in downtown Bay Route. There's a five

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<v Speaker 1>story building, an old derelict hotel. It was empty for

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<v Speaker 1>eight years until recently when hundreds of displaced people started

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<v Speaker 1>living there.

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<v Speaker 2>People here ends up building. Some of them don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a LASiS to l anywhere on it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like it's not their story of fleeing southern

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<v Speaker 1>Bay Route to find safety in the city's busy neighborhoods

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<v Speaker 1>is being repeated across Lebanon right now. As Israel's bombardments continue.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been a massive effort to help shelter the one

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<v Speaker 1>million displace Lebanese. But in this building and in many others,

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<v Speaker 1>they aren't welcome. With religious divides from the Civil War

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<v Speaker 1>still palpable decades on.

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<v Speaker 3>The police have just shown up, so of course they

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<v Speaker 3>were into the entrance of the apartment building where all

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<v Speaker 3>of the women have been standing looking.

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<v Speaker 1>Standing from Schwartz Media.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>This is seven am today journalist Haidi pet on the

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<v Speaker 1>old Wounds being reopened in Lebanon right now. It's Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>November one, So Hardie, you're in their route right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and I believe you flew there right around the time

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<v Speaker 1>that things were escalating and many people were trying to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was the journey like?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the strangest flights I think I've taken. So

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<v Speaker 3>I flew in from Paris. There were nine of us

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<v Speaker 3>on the plane and we're all sort of seated, spaced apart.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was myself, a journalist, a priest, and a

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<v Speaker 3>doctor for FSF, which really felt like the beginnings were bad,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like the three horsemen of the apocalypse, something

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<v Speaker 3>something terrible has happened in your country. If all of

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<v Speaker 3>the flights out are full, all of the flights there

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<v Speaker 3>are empty save for journalists, doctors and priests. So you

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<v Speaker 3>fly into the airport in Beirroot. There's only one airport

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<v Speaker 3>and it's on the coastal strip just south of Beairut,

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<v Speaker 3>and so it's directly next to what is called the

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<v Speaker 3>Dahir Beirut Southern suburbs, which has been the focus of

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the air campaign. And so my flight

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't actually see any bombing as I came in.

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<v Speaker 3>People have and there have been flights landing within sort

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<v Speaker 3>of ten or fifteen minutes of large explosions quite close

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<v Speaker 3>to the airport. So you get in and as soon

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<v Speaker 3>as the airport doors opened into the night, the first

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<v Speaker 3>thing I heard was a surveillance drone and the first

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<v Speaker 3>thing I smelled was smoke from strikes that had hit

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<v Speaker 3>the southern suburbs just an hour or so before.

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<v Speaker 1>And so for the past year, in a general sense,

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<v Speaker 1>Israel has been a war with Hesbola. Tell me a

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<v Speaker 1>bit about what has been happening in Lebanon on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground for the past twelve months.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so after the seventh of October when Hamas in

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<v Speaker 3>Gaza launched that assault on Israel, immediately afterwards, Hezbollah, which

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<v Speaker 3>is a militant group but also a political party here

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<v Speaker 3>in Lebanon, they opened what they call a solidarity front,

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<v Speaker 3>the idea being to harass Israel, meaning that they couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>deploy all of their troops to Gaza. They had to

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<v Speaker 3>keep troops on the northern border for fear that that

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<v Speaker 3>crosswater rocket fire might escalate into a ground invasion or

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<v Speaker 3>something more serious. And so about sixty thousand people have

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<v Speaker 3>been evacuated from villages in the north of Israel, and

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<v Speaker 3>roughly double that number have also been evacuated from Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 4>So we'd seen this kind of controlled.

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<v Speaker 3>Tit for tat where it seemed like there were rules

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<v Speaker 3>of engagement. Neither Israel nor Hisbila was necessarily looking to esca.

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<v Speaker 3>Late there were a couple of assassinations of Hesbela figures

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<v Speaker 3>over the summer, but everything changed in September.

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<v Speaker 4>The unprecedented attack in the Middle East. Thousands of pagers

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<v Speaker 4>belonged to members of Hesbela exploded across the country, injuring

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<v Speaker 4>thousands of people.

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<v Speaker 5>Your Times is reporting Israel hid explosives in those pages

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<v Speaker 5>and then triggered the explosion simultaneously.

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<v Speaker 3>And that indicated a real escalation, a real step change.

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<v Speaker 3>Ten days after that, Israel assassinated the leader of Hesbela

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<v Speaker 3>Sun Australia, who had an underground bunker in the south

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<v Speaker 3>of Bairut.

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<v Speaker 6>Tremendous devastation as the Israeli forces hunted down one man,

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<v Speaker 6>the leader of Hezbola, who'd be meeting deep underground. Parts

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<v Speaker 6>of Dahir in the Bay southern suburbs have been reduced

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<v Speaker 6>to ashes.

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<v Speaker 3>And then shortly after that, Israeli troops launched ground operation

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<v Speaker 3>and crossed the border into southern Lembdon and I'd engaging

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<v Speaker 3>directly with Hespala fighters.

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<v Speaker 4>On the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>More than twenty six hundred Libanies have been killed since

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<v Speaker 3>October the seventh last year, but most of those have

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<v Speaker 3>been in the last month. A quarter of the country

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<v Speaker 3>is under evacuation orders and about the quarter of the

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<v Speaker 3>population a million people has been displaced.

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<v Speaker 1>And so once you touch down in they route in

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<v Speaker 1>this almost empty airplane. What did you do and where

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<v Speaker 1>did you go? Yeah, so I headed into downtown. I

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<v Speaker 1>walked along the Corniche, which is this beautiful waterfront promenade

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<v Speaker 1>that heads out into the Mediterranean Sea on the western

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<v Speaker 1>edge of Beirut. And just inland from the Corniche or

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<v Speaker 1>all of these displaced people are sheltering, is a neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>called Hamra, where you've got hotels, its densely populated apartment buildings,

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<v Speaker 1>its banks, its businesses, and it is absolutely hacked.

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<v Speaker 4>At the moment. There are cars double parked.

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<v Speaker 3>On every street, either people sleeping in their cars or

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<v Speaker 3>they're sleeping on the streets. There are also a number

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<v Speaker 3>of abandoned or empty apartment buildings, and one of them

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<v Speaker 3>was this empty hotel called the hammers Star, which is

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<v Speaker 3>on the main drag through Hamra. It was clear that

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<v Speaker 3>displaced people had taken up residents in there. You could

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<v Speaker 3>see from the street that there was washing hung on

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<v Speaker 3>the balconies and belonging kind of piled there, and there

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<v Speaker 3>were always a number of people in the street outside.

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<v Speaker 3>Volunteers had started coming and delivering hundreds of meals every

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<v Speaker 3>day for people I.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, I'd say it, who know, I understand.

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<v Speaker 2>So tell me a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>I got talking to a few people, and the first

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<v Speaker 3>people I are went too into were two young siblings.

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<v Speaker 3>I meet with my sister, she's sixty and my family

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<v Speaker 3>is not together. A girl named Farah, she's sixteen, and

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<v Speaker 3>her brother, whatddy, it's nice to you, it's really Their

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<v Speaker 3>family is originally from Bulbeck, which is in the east

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<v Speaker 3>of Lebanon, but they had grown up in Dahia and

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<v Speaker 3>lived their entire lives, and Dahia is, of course one

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<v Speaker 3>of the main targets of the bombing campaign that we've

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<v Speaker 3>seen broken Four's home in Daha hasn't been destroyed yet,

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<v Speaker 3>but areas really close by have been bombed. She said,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, she could hear it in the night. The

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<v Speaker 3>house would shake and it was terrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>We listened, Tom, it's so scary, and.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, her and her brother and her grandmother decided that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it was only a matter of time and

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<v Speaker 3>they needed to leave. How much notice did you have?

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<v Speaker 3>Was it a big rush?

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<v Speaker 2>It's so sad that we'll see that here bomb being destroyed,

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<v Speaker 2>not building. We miss our our life, our life and people,

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<v Speaker 2>and that here are so simple, so good, so funny.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they were doing their very best to kind

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<v Speaker 3>of hold onto some semblance of normality. Pharah had obviously

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<v Speaker 3>taken the time. Every morning she'd done you know, she

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<v Speaker 3>had this like perfect winged eyeliner that she'd put on.

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<v Speaker 4>What did you.

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<v Speaker 3>Bring with you when you came here?

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<v Speaker 6>Clauses?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, the important thing brushing tears our makeup.

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<v Speaker 3>I got talking to a number of people and they

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<v Speaker 3>explained that, you know, they had nowhere else to go.

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<v Speaker 3>And so they entered the building about a month previously,

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<v Speaker 3>and they'd had some contact with the owners. So the

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<v Speaker 3>owner is a local judge. Her family owns the building.

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<v Speaker 3>The brother had been down and they'd had a discussion.

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<v Speaker 3>They'd arranged for a generator, they'd arranged for water deliveries,

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<v Speaker 3>and they'd pulled their money together, all of these displaced

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<v Speaker 3>families in order to pay for the water deliveries and

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<v Speaker 3>somewhaticome of electricity and things like that, and so I

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<v Speaker 3>think they felt that they would have been allowed to stay.

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<v Speaker 3>For whatever reason, the owners of the building changed their mind,

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<v Speaker 3>and so they came down and said, in forty eight

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<v Speaker 3>hours you will have to leave.

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<v Speaker 4>The police will be.

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<v Speaker 3>Coming on a Monday morning in order to enforce the

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<v Speaker 3>eviction notice. So the police came down the road about

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<v Speaker 3>an hour later, a massive police with riot shields, and

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<v Speaker 3>things got pretty hairy pretty quickly. So they pushed all

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<v Speaker 3>of these women and children out from the entrance to

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<v Speaker 3>the apartment building. I saw people hit in the face

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<v Speaker 3>with riot shields. And then what actually happened is the

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<v Speaker 3>police then shut the doors of the building and locked

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<v Speaker 3>themselves inside.

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<v Speaker 7>Has heaving gas sin he think people sidan, there are

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<v Speaker 7>women women, they're not men inside.

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<v Speaker 6>There are women.

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<v Speaker 2>They got done they want to.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. There was rocks thrown, people were throwing things

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<v Speaker 3>down from the upper floors of the building. Things got

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<v Speaker 3>quite violent very quickly, and I was horrified to see

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<v Speaker 3>through the view find her of my camera being carried

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<v Speaker 3>out by her brother, like bleeding profusely from the head.

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<v Speaker 3>Her brother put her on the back of a motorbike

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<v Speaker 3>and rushed her down to the American Hospital here in Berry, where.

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<v Speaker 4>She had to be stitched up.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up after the break, the sectarian divides further splintering Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 1>Had he being evicted from an abandoned building in your

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<v Speaker 1>own country during a time of war, that seems unexpectedly harsh.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we know why the landlord changed their mind? Why

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<v Speaker 1>they decided that these people could not stay?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I've reached out to the landlord and she

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<v Speaker 3>hasn't responded to my attempts to contact her. But I

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<v Speaker 3>asked a number of people what changed. The people who

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<v Speaker 3>were staying there told me that they'd offered to pay

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<v Speaker 3>rent and they'd been refused. And I asked one man, Wahid,

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<v Speaker 3>who it was clear he was a bit of a

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<v Speaker 3>community leader. I asked him, why do you think that

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<v Speaker 3>she changed her mind? Why are you being evicted? And

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<v Speaker 3>he just looked at me and he said, because was

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<v Speaker 3>she are? Why did she why would she not accept

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<v Speaker 3>your money?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you, Because we are a Shia.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all right. And Hezbola is a sheer organization.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a military group, it's a political organization, but

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<v Speaker 3>it is largely Shea and its support base, again is

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<v Speaker 3>largely Sheer. So far, She's from an area in the

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<v Speaker 3>south of Beirut called the Dahia. It's a ten or

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen minute drive from where I am, and it's often

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<v Speaker 3>described as a as a Hezbola stronghold, but it's a

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<v Speaker 3>civilian neighborhood where hundreds of thousands of people live and work,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's largely Shea. But it's not exclusively Sheer. But

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<v Speaker 3>the idea behind the Israeli military attacking Daha is not new.

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<v Speaker 3>There is actually an official Israeli military strategy called the

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<v Speaker 3>Dahia doctrine, which we first saw during the two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and six war what's known as you know the Seconds

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<v Speaker 3>of Lebanese Israeli War, and it explicitly involved disproportionate attacks

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<v Speaker 3>on civilian areas through strikes on What Israel will say is,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, is hesbela military infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 5>I say to you, the people of Lebanon, free your

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<v Speaker 5>country from Kusbala so that this war can end. Free

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<v Speaker 5>your country from Kusbala.

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<v Speaker 3>But what has happened in the last month is quite explicit.

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<v Speaker 3>So the Israeli Prime Minister of Benjamin Attanyahu has said

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<v Speaker 3>that essentially the Lebanese people need to rise up against

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<v Speaker 3>Hesbela or Lebanon will face destruction like Gaza.

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<v Speaker 5>You have an opportunity to save Lebanon before it falls

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<v Speaker 5>into the abyss of a long war that will lead

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<v Speaker 5>to destruction and suffering like we see in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>And so now the idea is to put so much

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<v Speaker 3>pressure on Shia and on civilian supporters of Hesbela through

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<v Speaker 3>air strikes and through these military operations, that that support

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<v Speaker 3>Hesbla among those people would falter.

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<v Speaker 1>And does it seem like that strategy is working, that

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<v Speaker 1>support for Hezbola is diminishing.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think only time will tell. It's only

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<v Speaker 3>been a month.

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<v Speaker 4>There's been.

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<v Speaker 3>Concerns about rising sectarian tensions here in Lebanon since the

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<v Speaker 3>war escalated.

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<v Speaker 4>There's obviously a long history of that.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a civil war for fifteen years in this

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<v Speaker 3>country between different sects, and so what has happened is

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<v Speaker 3>that when Shia from the south of Lebanon or from

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<v Speaker 3>the Dahir, from Beirut southern suburbs have fled those areas

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<v Speaker 3>when it has become intolerable or unsafe for them to

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<v Speaker 3>be there. Sometimes those air strikes have followed them. So

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of weeks ago, a number of displaced people

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<v Speaker 3>had moved to a village called Aitu, which is in

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<v Speaker 3>the mountains here in Beirut.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a predominantly Christian village, and so those.

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<v Speaker 3>People moved there because they thought that they would be

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<v Speaker 3>safe there. And there was a massive air strike on

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<v Speaker 3>a building that a number of displaced families had taken

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<v Speaker 3>shelter in. And so there's concern among all different people

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<v Speaker 3>in Lebanon here that if you take in sheer families

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<v Speaker 3>and you don't know who they are, or what their

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<v Speaker 3>political affiliations are, whether they have any contact with Hesbella's

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<v Speaker 3>political or military wing, whether your home, you're building, your property,

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<v Speaker 3>your village, your community will also become a target.

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<v Speaker 1>And I imagine that is really only stoking these kind

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<v Speaker 1>of long standing divisions that already exist within Lebanese society.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly. You will always find people within Lebanon who

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<v Speaker 3>hate Hesbela, who have always hated Hesbla. You know, I

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<v Speaker 3>ran into somebody in the street actually down on the corniche,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said to me, you know, every time I

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<v Speaker 3>hear the bombing at night, and Dahir I say thank

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<v Speaker 3>you for cleaning up our country. But what I've also

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<v Speaker 3>seen is incredible solidarity of grassroots organizations, volunteers, groups of

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<v Speaker 3>friends who have mobilized to fill the gaps left by

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<v Speaker 3>the Lebanese state and who are caring for displaced people

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<v Speaker 3>of Sunni or Christian communities, and volunteers who are cooking

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<v Speaker 3>hundreds and hundreds of meals per day and bringing it

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<v Speaker 3>to these formal and informal shelters.

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<v Speaker 1>So what will happen to Fara and the other people

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<v Speaker 1>who were evicted from the hotel building? Where will they

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<v Speaker 1>go now?

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<v Speaker 3>So they have now been scattered across beir Roots. Some

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<v Speaker 3>of them went back to the streets, others have joined

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<v Speaker 3>other informal shelters. The police did make an attempt to

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<v Speaker 3>register everyone and say that they would find places for everyone,

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<v Speaker 3>But the.

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<v Speaker 4>Problem is that a lot of these shelters they're just full.

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<v Speaker 3>Sofara and Rudich are with their grandmother. They're now in

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<v Speaker 3>a hotel in downtown Hamra. They're paying twenty five dollars

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<v Speaker 3>a night, which is way more than they can afford.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not sure how many more days they can keep

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<v Speaker 3>that uptally, but I'm grateful that they didn't go back

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<v Speaker 3>to Dahia, which is what Fara initially said that they

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<v Speaker 3>would do.

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<v Speaker 7>So where will you go now?

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<v Speaker 2>I would go to Dahir And.

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<v Speaker 3>For now they're safe, but they're not sure how much

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<v Speaker 3>longer they can keep that up or how long this

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<v Speaker 3>war will go on for.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, how doi thank you so much for your time today.

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<v Speaker 4>Who's nice to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news today, the Australian Competition and Consumer

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<v Speaker 1>Commission has taken legal action against Optus, alleging it sold

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<v Speaker 1>phone products to hundreds of vulnerable customers. The ah Triple

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<v Speaker 1>See alleges that customers often did not want or need

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<v Speaker 1>the services, and that Optis then pursued them for debts

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<v Speaker 1>heated with those sales. Many of the customers were living

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<v Speaker 1>with disability, diminished cognitive capacity or learning difficulties. And as

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<v Speaker 1>more politicians come under scrutiny for their perks in the job,

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<v Speaker 1>Opposition leader Peter Dutton has admitted to using Gina Ryanhart's

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<v Speaker 1>private jet to travel to a Barley bombing memorial. Speaking

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<v Speaker 1>at a press conference in Perth, Dutton said his office

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<v Speaker 1>requested the ride between Rockhampton, Sidney and Mackay in November

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two. Earlier in the week, when asked if

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<v Speaker 1>he had ever personally requested flights from Gina Reinhart, Dutton

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<v Speaker 1>responded no. When asked about this discrepancy, he clarified that

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<v Speaker 1>it was his office who asked for the flight and

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