Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. I
Speaker 1: thought about that in real term, Taylor. Of course he's
Speaker 1: not a hecklet.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a fund thing to say, even
Speaker 2: though I'm in a completely different location than he is,
Speaker 2: in the secret location that is the man Cave. So
Speaker 2: do you think all of our those prayers have come
Speaker 2: true since.
Speaker 1: Going to the Pope?
Speaker 2: Like, not only did he go, oh look in our
Speaker 2: ninety something seats. Let's get the coalition to bust itself
Speaker 2: up on that front. David Little Proud, the only interview
Speaker 2: who is doing tonight is here on PALMRI Live. Speak
Speaker 2: to him in a couple of moments' time. Also, the
Speaker 2: Joe Biden health cover up, a man who of course
Speaker 2: has presidential health care. It's up there with the King
Speaker 2: of England about how often they're checking your poulse, double
Speaker 2: checking your bloods, But apparently they completely forgot for the
Speaker 2: four years that he was president to double check his PSA.
Speaker 2: And of course we now know that he is apparently
Speaker 2: suffering from a terminal cancer, terminal prostate cancer. Well, there's
Speaker 2: plenty of cover up that's being thrown around, and there's
Speaker 2: also preenenty left. He saying, oh no, no, we cannot
Speaker 2: investigate this matter. A person who will not take those
Speaker 2: comments lying down. Instead, she stands up, she looks as
Speaker 2: straight in the eyes the great Meghan Kelly. We are
Speaker 2: joined by her a bit later in the show.
Speaker 3: They have been covering this up for years. That's my
Speaker 3: informed opinion.
Speaker 2: All right to the news of the day before we
Speaker 2: get to the politics. If you are paying off a
Speaker 2: house like me and a third of the country.
Speaker 4: Little tinsy wincy, little.
Speaker 1: Little bit of good news.
Speaker 5: For the first time in two years, Australia's official cash
Speaker 5: rate is sitting below four percent. The Reserve Bank Board
Speaker 5: decided to slash its official rate by a quarter of
Speaker 5: one percent.
Speaker 2: The Reserve Bank announcing its second rate hunt for the year. Hello, Amy,
Speaker 2: Now why did they cut the rate today? Second time
Speaker 2: this year? The first time was in February. That was
Speaker 2: a massive mover of millions of people when it come
Speaker 2: to voting, it came to voting at the federal election. Well,
Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank governor tells us why we got a
Speaker 2: little tinsy wincy wincy cut today.
Speaker 6: Now we've done this because the most recent quarterly CPI
Speaker 6: confirmed that both headlined and underlying inflation are now under
Speaker 6: three percent, so price increases have slowed and it's fairly
Speaker 6: broadly based. And this is very good news.
Speaker 4: And remember Jim Chalmers just happened to put out during
Speaker 4: the election that this is just one of a cascading
Speaker 4: amount of rate cuts to come.
Speaker 7: Markets are now expecting around four intrast rate cuts in
Speaker 7: Australia this calendar year.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe not. Why Orange Man bad.
Speaker 2: Remember they've got a complete cover story for the next
Speaker 2: four years. Whatever bad happens in Australia, Trump's fault, whatever
Speaker 2: good happens in Australia charmers responsibility.
Speaker 1: You see how this is going to work well.
Speaker 2: According to the Australian newspaper and its analysis of what
Speaker 2: was being said by the Reserve Bank today, they say
Speaker 2: that mortgage relief for Midians, but the RBA is not
Speaker 2: expected to do much more, meaning don't get ready. Well
Speaker 2: that's probably about as many cuts it's going to come
Speaker 2: our way. Now I'm going to on and off with
Speaker 2: the glasses and you can see the Commodore sixty four
Speaker 2: is doing great tonight. But geopolitical uncertainties also remain pronounced
Speaker 2: that these developments are expected to have an adverse effect
Speaker 2: on global economic activity, particularly of households and firms delay expenditure,
Speaker 2: pending greater clarity on the outlook. Translation this might be
Speaker 2: it so the suggestion of four or maybe five, because
Speaker 2: you see, the economy was going to be so bad
Speaker 2: because of Trump, but then the stock market leveled out
Speaker 2: both here and in the United States, that the promise
Speaker 2: that of course was not at all political during an
Speaker 2: election campaign for four maybe five rate cuts this calendar year, well,
Speaker 2: we may will be tapping out at two.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 2: As a person paying off a mortgage, I want there
Speaker 2: to be seven, eight nine cuts. But let's also put
Speaker 2: this in some context. One of the reasons why perhaps
Speaker 2: the streets are not being filled like they were at
Speaker 2: the end of World War II with celebrating Australians knowing
Speaker 2: that tyranny was behind them, was because the total amount
Speaker 2: that the average person on about a six hundred something
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars mortgage has had to pay since the
Speaker 2: interest rates started to go up in twenty twenty two
Speaker 2: is a grand total of an extra eighteen thousand dollars
Speaker 2: per year. That's been at least more than one year.
Speaker 2: So you can do your own sums there the February cut.
Speaker 2: The May cut is two four hundred dollars off each
Speaker 2: and every year. Now, good, but you've already had to
Speaker 2: spend what thirty something thousand dollars extra, So forgive me
Speaker 2: if two thousand dollars is not going to result in
Speaker 2: people running around in the streets. However, the Treasurer, of course,
Speaker 2: remember bad news Trump, good news charmers and today being
Speaker 2: a good news day asterisk maybe well, Chalmers of course,
Speaker 2: patting himself on the back.
Speaker 7: This is the second interest rate cart in the last
Speaker 7: three months. It does reflect the very substantial and sustained
Speaker 7: progress that we've made together on inflation in our economy.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if she's auditioning for a job in
Speaker 2: what is now an increasingly smaller pool of people to
Speaker 2: choose from when it comes to the Opposition and its
Speaker 2: front bench, but the freshly re elected Member for Flinders,
Speaker 2: Zoey McKenzie, well, she nailed the reality today when she
Speaker 2: was having a chat with Chris Kenny that yes, down
Speaker 2: is good. Down is good, but it is not way down.
Speaker 2: And remember thirteen up two down means the collective pressure
Speaker 2: of eleven interest rates is still there on the average homeowner.
Speaker 10: I'm sure Jim Chalmers having a great time patting himself
Speaker 10: on the back for today's one increment in the right direction.
Speaker 10: But we've got a long way to go before there's
Speaker 10: confidence in business circles and an ability for businesses to
Speaker 10: keep growing and keep employing, keep providing opportunity for Australians.
Speaker 4: So any other political news around today.
Speaker 5: The coalition is over, the Nationals walking away from the
Speaker 5: Liberals in a public split from the decades old alone.
Speaker 6: Is the Liberals and Nationals are splitting up, failing to
Speaker 6: reach a deal.
Speaker 11: The Liberal National partnership coming to an end after almost
Speaker 11: eighty years.
Speaker 2: It's almost like they're excited to bring you the news.
Speaker 2: For his part, and we will talk to David Little
Speaker 2: Proud at a couple of minutes time. This was his
Speaker 2: logic behind this history making decision that was announced this
Speaker 2: afternoon in Canberra.
Speaker 12: Those positions that we couldn't get comfort around a nuclear
Speaker 12: being part of an energy grid into the future. About
Speaker 12: the reason Australia Future Fund a twenty billion dollar fund
Speaker 12: paying a one billion dollar dividend every year, above and
Speaker 12: beyond to change the lives of regional Australians. About employing
Speaker 12: and training some doctors, to actually filling in some potholes,
Speaker 12: to actually giving young families the hope of childcare what
Speaker 12: we fight for every day. That's the principal position we
Speaker 12: took that we needed to have comfort around. It's around
Speaker 12: divestage powers for supermarkets.
Speaker 2: As for Susan Lee, here she was in camp responding
Speaker 2: to what apparently was an announcement. She got about thirty
Speaker 2: minutes notice.
Speaker 12: Of will listen, will step up, we'll modern eye and
Speaker 12: we will rebuild.
Speaker 2: For their part, as you've seen on our airwaves tonight
Speaker 2: on all our excellent programs. So to all of my
Speaker 2: wonderful mates, you've seen leaders from the past who have
Speaker 2: been very successful in Australian politics believing that today is
Speaker 2: a mistake being made by the National Party.
Speaker 13: I am very sorry that this has happened and I
Speaker 13: urge both parties to work over time to put the
Speaker 13: collision back together again, because all the history of Australia
Speaker 13: suggests that the glory days of the Liberal Party and
Speaker 13: the National Party, the Old Country Party, are when they
Speaker 13: are working together in government.
Speaker 14: There's no doubt in my mind that experience shows over
Speaker 14: the eighty years that the coalition agreement has been in
Speaker 14: place that working together produces better government for the country
Speaker 14: and Australian needs better government now more than ever.
Speaker 2: Two very smart, very sober blokes so I hope are
Speaker 2: involved in trying to put the parties back together. As
Speaker 2: one of millions of people who wanted these two parties
Speaker 2: to form a government just a few weeks ago, I
Speaker 2: share every bit of deflated feelings that you feel tonight,
Speaker 2: But as always been a by election, state election, federal election,
Speaker 2: or any big event, you know. I try to break
Speaker 2: it down with five things that are rolling around in
Speaker 2: my head now food for thought, not the final say,
Speaker 2: not the purity test, just what I'm thinking tonight at
Speaker 2: the head of what is going to be very long
Speaker 2: road to the future. Number one, Yes, time a part
Speaker 2: may be helpful. Put simply, thent's say that the Libs
Speaker 2: are Labor light. The Libs say that the National Party
Speaker 2: has forced them to be the National Party light. The
Speaker 2: reality is is that sometime a part means that they
Speaker 2: will be able to say what they are, who they are,
Speaker 2: what they stand for, and presumably come an election or
Speaker 2: after an election, or when it seems like they may
Speaker 2: win elections, they of course may well, come back closer together.
Speaker 2: I certainly hope that not nasty words are said, and
Speaker 2: I certainly hope that when three cornered contests, because that
Speaker 2: is the reality of the National Party and the Liberal
Speaker 2: Party not playing the same game. Is that when they
Speaker 2: come up in competition against each other, that they complement
Speaker 2: each other, that they do not attack each other, and
Speaker 2: the inevitable personality stuff can be put to one side,
Speaker 2: but that maybe will be some wishful thinking Number two
Speaker 2: where they stay apart. The worse this gets because people
Speaker 2: become entrenched.
Speaker 1: I won't move, you won't move. I won't change, you
Speaker 1: won't change.
Speaker 2: And sadly, as many people may know in their own
Speaker 2: personal life, the longer the trial separation goes, the more
Speaker 2: likely it is to end in a divorce rather than
Speaker 2: getting back together. Number three. All of this only makes
Speaker 2: Labor more powerful. Here are the numbers when it comes
Speaker 2: to the Parliament. Now, it doesn't matter, because of course
Speaker 2: the government can pass legislation with its eyes closed and
Speaker 2: half of its MPs drunk in a bar. But the
Speaker 2: reality is that with more than ninety MPs that are
Speaker 2: the Labor Party.
Speaker 1: Barely thirty MPs. In fact, a little bit less that
Speaker 1: are there for the.
Speaker 2: Liberal Party, and depending on how you count the LNP,
Speaker 2: there's not a huge amount of National Party MPs they're
Speaker 2: in the Federal Parliament. This of course means that if
Speaker 2: they are trying to put Labor on the ropes over
Speaker 2: the inevitable failures of the next three years, they'll have
Speaker 2: two completely different strategies when it comes to question time. Literally,
Speaker 2: the National Party will now probably have as much access
Speaker 2: to question time as the single Greens MP does. They
Speaker 2: won't be shadow ministers, pay will all be effected. But
Speaker 2: as I'll talk about with David Little Proud, they believe
Speaker 2: that this is the best way to guarantee that they
Speaker 2: remain a force in Australian politics. Now, I wouldn't imagine
Speaker 2: that you're going to end up with Nationals running against
Speaker 2: Liberals in inner urban seats, but you might see things
Speaker 2: on the fringes of cities. All of that only makes
Speaker 2: labor more powerful. And for those of us who wanted
Speaker 2: labor to be less powerful after this election, again, I
Speaker 2: share your sense of deflation.
Speaker 1: Number four.
Speaker 2: I think the timing of this is unfair to Susan Lee. Now,
Speaker 2: please don't write me like some people do. Oh you're
Speaker 2: always oh you girlfriend, Susan Lek grow up. The simple
Speaker 2: point is is that this could have happened next week,
Speaker 2: It could have happened next month. I don't understand how
Speaker 2: the leadership staff was playing out in the final days
Speaker 2: of her mum's life. And I don't understand why this
Speaker 2: hammerblow happens before she's had an opportunity to have a
Speaker 2: funeral for her mum. I don't understand that that's a
Speaker 2: difficult question, but I'll be asking it to.
Speaker 1: David little Proud directly in a moment or two's time.
Speaker 1: And five.
Speaker 2: This yet again underlines another hard line of division in Australia.
Speaker 2: Under fifty verses over fifty two very different worldviews, gender,
Speaker 2: two very different worldviews, and now city versus country. And
Speaker 2: as a person who loves the bush as much as
Speaker 2: I do the cities, a person who is looking forward
Speaker 2: to go into places like Cans, who's been proud to
Speaker 2: do shows in cal Ghooley, who's been proud to broadcast
Speaker 2: from Mount Isa, who loves being able to do shows
Speaker 2: in Lonceessten, who's been privileged enough to broadcast from Alice Springs,
Speaker 2: and many many other places. I want all of Australia
Speaker 2: to have the best of its political representation, and I
Speaker 2: want all of Australia to have the best of living standards.
Speaker 2: The idea of the National Party and the Liberal Party
Speaker 2: being as far away from government as they currently are,
Speaker 2: and potentially even further away as a result of this move,
Speaker 2: means that the people in those regional areas, in my view,
Speaker 2: are only going to be further insulted by city centric
Speaker 2: labor governments whose state and federal think that because those
Speaker 2: local communities vote National more renewables for you, because those
Speaker 2: populations are less than the more densely populated cities, you
Speaker 2: don't get your roads fixed up. The reality of the
Speaker 2: coalition when the National Party is working with the Liberal
Speaker 2: Party in opposition and then in government, the relationship between
Speaker 2: a National Party MP and a Minister of the day
Speaker 2: who may well happen to be the Liberal or the
Speaker 2: capacity to go to the Prime Minister, means that regional
Speaker 2: concerns are front and center. The only party that does
Speaker 2: represent regional Australia is the National Party at a significant
Speaker 2: national level. Yes, there are voices in the Senate, particularly
Speaker 2: when it comes to the representation of one nation in
Speaker 2: the Senate but in terms of our daily politics, in
Speaker 2: terms of the high profile that comes from question Time,
Speaker 2: and more importantly, the ability to take a complaint from
Speaker 2: the smallest street of swan Hill and take it all
Speaker 2: the way to Canberra. To be working together in a coalition,
Speaker 2: moving your way towards or being government is the best
Speaker 2: way to get solutions. Everyone feeling good about purity tests
Speaker 2: means everyone will fail at those purity tests. The Labor
Speaker 2: Party will of course make its most of divisions. That said,
Speaker 2: as I said at the very start, yes, time a
Speaker 2: part may be helpful. I hope it is, but months,
Speaker 2: not years. But if it is years, it will be
Speaker 2: many mo four years before anyone but the Labor Party
Speaker 2: is going to form government in this country. And for
Speaker 2: my view, that's not a good thing for our country.
Speaker 2: As I say, David Little Brown standing by we we'll
Speaker 2: get to him in a moment or two time. He's
Speaker 2: been very patient in our conversation. Now I want to
Speaker 2: talk about another very significant political event that took place today,
Speaker 2: and it was the budget delivered by the Labor Party
Speaker 2: in Victoria. Now, the Labor Party has been in charge
Speaker 2: of Victoria for the best part of thirty years. They
Speaker 2: have put in place the triangle of dependency. They have
Speaker 2: perfected it where you either work for the government as
Speaker 2: a public servant, you have your hand out as somebody
Speaker 2: who gets money from government, or if you are in business,
Speaker 2: your biggest client is government. It's a triangle that would
Speaker 2: affect sixty seventy percent of the population and everything keeps
Speaker 2: going their way.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Today the state budget was released and while it shows
Speaker 2: a asterisk may be surplus, I don't believe it either.
Speaker 2: Let me break something down here for you. The total
Speaker 2: revenue for the State Labor government is one hundred and
Speaker 2: eight billion dollars. The total spending is one hundred and
Speaker 2: seven billion dollars. The total spending, by the way of
Speaker 2: one hundred and seven billion dollars, is up three point
Speaker 2: seven billion dollars on last year.
Speaker 1: So how is it that.
Speaker 2: They are going to end up in a scenario where
Speaker 2: they are going to be able to have a budget surplus.
Speaker 1: I'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 2: But the debt that the Victorian Labor Party has saddled
Speaker 2: the good people of Victoria with is one hundred billion dollars.
Speaker 2: One hundred billion dollars is basically the entire state budget
Speaker 2: the interest payments we learned today are currently seven point
Speaker 2: six billion dollars and in the year twenty eight to
Speaker 2: twenty nine it'll be ten billion dollars per year on
Speaker 2: interest alone in trying to pay off ten billion dollars
Speaker 2: worth of debt. When you have a look at line
Speaker 2: by line in the state budget, ten billion dollars is
Speaker 2: seven billion dollars more than they spend in the entire
Speaker 2: government Department of Energy, Environment and Climate Action.
Speaker 1: It is two billion dollars more than they spend in.
Speaker 2: The entire Department of Families, Fairness and Housing.
Speaker 1: It is six billion.
Speaker 2: Dollars more than they spend in the entire government Department
Speaker 2: of Job, Skills, Industry and Regions. And it's about nine
Speaker 2: point two billion dollars more than they spend on the
Speaker 2: court system in Victoria. That's just debt. Australia at the
Speaker 2: federal level is going to follow the model of Victoria,
Speaker 2: which is to rack up the debt, rack up the debt,
Speaker 2: pass a trillion one point to one point five one
Speaker 2: point eventually two trillion dollars already in the top ten
Speaker 2: of all of the things that the federal government spends
Speaker 2: money on. Servicing the debt is in the top ten,
Speaker 2: seeing the debt is more expensive than some federal department
Speaker 2: spend on.
Speaker 1: Services for the Australian people.
Speaker 2: But why does the Victorian government, despite the fact that
Speaker 2: they are spending this much on paying off the credit
Speaker 2: card while racking up even more money on the credit
Speaker 2: card Because Anthony Albanezi was desperate to win seats in
Speaker 2: Victoria and Victoria voted Labor, so it all worked out right.
Speaker 2: The only way that they are going to get to
Speaker 2: a surplus is because of a huge increase in the
Speaker 2: amount of GST that is coming to the Victorian government
Speaker 2: from Canberra. In fact, that is now fifty two billion dollars.
Speaker 2: The total amount of tax that the Victorian government takes
Speaker 2: is forty one billion dollars. So many state governments, yes,
Speaker 2: almost half of their revenue comes from GST. In Victoria's case,
Speaker 2: it's way more than half, and it is way bigger
Speaker 2: than it was last year because the Labor Party in
Speaker 2: Canberra wanted to save its our at a federal election.
Speaker 2: But there is no one to bail out the federal
Speaker 2: government when they practice the exact same policies as the
Speaker 2: Victorian Labor Party. Every budget between now and the next election,
Speaker 2: and the one after that, and the one after that
Speaker 2: and the one after that. I promise you I'll point
Speaker 2: it out to you every single time, how the servicing
Speaker 2: of the trillion dollars worth of debt is more than
Speaker 2: entire government departments. Because that is exactly what's taking place
Speaker 2: in Victoria, and because it has worked for the best
Speaker 2: part of thirty years, they will keep doing it in Victoria.
Speaker 2: And as more people work for the government, you can
Speaker 2: scare people that the evil liberals are going to cut
Speaker 2: the number of people working for the government. One cut
Speaker 2: equals cuts everywhere. If you turn around and say that
Speaker 2: maybe that welfare payment doesn't apply in twenty twenty five
Speaker 2: as it did into.
Speaker 1: That in ten.
Speaker 2: Now are all welfare recipients should be scared? And if
Speaker 2: you start to upset the apple card as a business,
Speaker 2: the government will just cut you off. Elections have consequences,
Speaker 2: and in Victoria the receipts are coming in. It is
Speaker 2: a preview of what is coming down the road for
Speaker 2: a Labor party that virtually has no opposition as a
Speaker 2: result of what has been taking place in Canberra today?
Speaker 2: Can you know what your thoughts are on anything? Set
Speaker 2: me an email ports Gardis dot com dot au. But
Speaker 2: let's get to what has happened today where the National
Speaker 2: Party has broken up with the Liberal Party. It was
Speaker 2: the National Party's decision to do so, and its leader
Speaker 2: is David Little Proud. Just before I came on the airlive,
Speaker 2: I had an opportunity to talk to him and the
Speaker 2: simple question is this on the behalf of millions of
Speaker 2: people who were voting for the coalition to be the
Speaker 2: government just a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1: What the hell is going on?
Speaker 12: And we started negotiations on re entering a coalition agreement,
Speaker 12: but my party room and I got to a juncture
Speaker 12: that there were policy positions that we weren't prepared to
Speaker 12: negotiate on, ones that were already coalition policy, that were
Speaker 12: fought for last term, that stood us in good stead
Speaker 12: and would change the lives of regional Australians. And with
Speaker 12: the circumstances that Susan had in terms of wanting to
Speaker 12: be able to announce a shadow cabinet, which meant a
Speaker 12: coalition agreement had to be done in the coming days,
Speaker 12: but not being able to give us that comfort or
Speaker 12: guarantee that those policies that we were looking at could
Speaker 12: be guaranteed because she wanted to go through a longer
Speaker 12: elongated period of policy formation that we couldn't sign up
Speaker 12: to it. Because these are hard fought wings that would
Speaker 12: change the lives of people in Region Australia. They're around
Speaker 12: better telecommunications, extending the Universal Service obligation to mobile phone
Speaker 12: taels so that Australians aren't put at risk in Regional
Speaker 12: Australia are danger tonight because the tower doesn't work and
Speaker 12: they can't ring triple zero. It's about being able to
Speaker 12: have a fund that would bild some childcare places so
Speaker 12: that young families in Regional Australia can send their kids
Speaker 12: to childcare and they can get a job. At the moment,
Speaker 12: it's not about childcare affordability. It's accessibility in the bush.
Speaker 12: And it's about us also having some money to train
Speaker 12: our own to be our own doctors and nurses and physios,
Speaker 12: to be able to say that nuclear should be part
Speaker 12: of a technology agnostic mix, and that we should be
Speaker 12: prepared to have a deterrent consequence for supermarkets for doing
Speaker 12: over farmers but doing over you consumers. And they were
Speaker 12: things that the National Party of Thought Force in before
Speaker 12: I even got to this place. We secured them last term.
Speaker 12: They're not new policies, they're ones we think are common sense.
Speaker 12: And our room got to the juncture where unless we
Speaker 12: could get a guarantee and we understood the Liberals wanted
Speaker 12: to go on a journey of rediscovery, or they can.
Speaker 9: Do that, we'll be here. A door be opened.
Speaker 12: But we had to have principles, because if we walked
Speaker 12: away from that, then we walked away from what was
Speaker 12: going to change the lives of regional Australians.
Speaker 2: Susan Lee is in the process of planning a funeral
Speaker 2: for her mother. Why not next week? Why not next month?
Speaker 2: Something made this happen quickly, very obviously. Okay, if the
Speaker 2: teams couldn't get together, fine and fair enough, it's a
Speaker 2: three year electoral cycle.
Speaker 1: But why now, why today?
Speaker 9: Well, it was Susan's determination of that. Let me make
Speaker 9: this very clear to you.
Speaker 12: Susan rang me the day after being elected and wanted
Speaker 12: to fly back to Canberra on last Friday to discuss
Speaker 12: coalition agreements.
Speaker 9: I've made it very clear.
Speaker 12: To her on that Wednesday there was no way in
Speaker 12: the world I was going to allow her to fly
Speaker 12: back and be away from her mother. If she wanted
Speaker 12: to have those discussions and she felt it necessary.
Speaker 9: I would drive to Aubrey. I got in the car
Speaker 9: and drive to Aubrey.
Speaker 12: And met with her for an hour, and then we
Speaker 12: had a discussion, and I came back and our party
Speaker 12: room had a discussion. I went back to her and
Speaker 12: tell her where our party room was. We had further
Speaker 12: discussions and sadly, her mother died on Saturday. We didn't
Speaker 12: ask for any further discussions. Susan, who initiated those. We
Speaker 12: made it very clear we're in Nahurri in terms of
Speaker 12: a coalition agreement or announcing a shadow cabinet. We were
Speaker 12: prepared to work through her personal circumstances, and we made
Speaker 12: it very clear that that was the timeline that she
Speaker 12: wanted to set. So Susan's a very strong woman and
Speaker 12: she made it very clear. And I was provided with
Speaker 12: a response of what our party room's initial concerns were
Speaker 12: on Monday night. I took that to the party room
Speaker 12: after Susan sent it to me. So the timelines weren't
Speaker 12: predicated by the National Party, predicated by Susan, and the
Speaker 12: respect of the personal circumstances that she had, I was
Speaker 12: comfortable and our party room was comfortable to keep discussions
Speaker 12: going for as long as that meant for her personal
Speaker 12: circumstances to be addressed.
Speaker 2: Okay, well I wanted to do with the elephant in
Speaker 2: the room. Thank you for being open and honest about
Speaker 2: your understanding and how you lived those few Now, obviously
Speaker 2: at least once a month we go and do a
Speaker 2: shown regional Australia. It's why I appreciate these conversations, and
Speaker 2: you know how much I want the same standard of
Speaker 2: living in regional Australia as there is in city city Australia.
Speaker 2: There's no butt in this quote. There is, however, a
Speaker 2: political reality that is playing out in lots of different
Speaker 2: electorates and even in sort of the national party view
Speaker 2: of seats right now. Quite correctly, you've said that the
Speaker 2: party has held the line and not lost seats for
Speaker 2: election after election after election. Yes, Calaire, which of course
Speaker 2: has a long history of independence. That's the asterisk around
Speaker 2: all of this. But I did want to tell you this,
Speaker 2: and you know it already.
Speaker 1: In the Seed of.
Speaker 2: Kauper you won fifty two to forty eight against a
Speaker 2: Teel in the Seed of Page the Labor Greens vote
Speaker 2: went up ten percent. In the set of Line the
Speaker 2: Independent and Cannabis parties together their vote went up twenty
Speaker 2: one percent. In the seat of Nichols the Labor Party.
Speaker 2: In the Greens their vote went up fifteen percent. Now, yes,
Speaker 2: there are plenty of others where the National Party vote
Speaker 2: held the Trumpets and one Nation their number went up
Speaker 2: as well. But there are certain tensions that will be
Speaker 2: on the National Party over the next three years that
Speaker 2: may well be what the Liberal Party has not been
Speaker 2: able to hold up against when it comes to cashed
Speaker 2: up country teals running real candidates, not sort of you know,
Speaker 2: the local fruit loop like some of those that have,
Speaker 2: but some serious money and some serious attention.
Speaker 1: That could well be on the way.
Speaker 2: Is the National Party going to be able to win
Speaker 2: a seat like Kauper fifty two forty eight, where yes.
Speaker 1: Nuclear was clearly the policy.
Speaker 2: But we're having a different conversation in three years time
Speaker 2: because it feels to me that you, like all major
Speaker 2: political parties, you cop it from the left and the right.
Speaker 1: But I've just shown you a.
Speaker 2: Few seats where it's the left that are starting to
Speaker 2: show their teeth in Otherwise, proud Green National Party territory.
Speaker 9: Yeah, a great analysis, and you're right.
Speaker 12: In fact, we think the till in Kelpers spend somewhere
Speaker 12: between one and two million dollars and we don't have
Speaker 12: that sort of money obviously. But having said that, Calp
Speaker 12: has always been a probably a two to five percent
Speaker 12: margin seat, so.
Speaker 9: We take that seriously.
Speaker 12: And that's why it's important that today's decision is predicated.
Speaker 9: On principle and policy.
Speaker 12: That I can go back to the seat of Calper,
Speaker 12: I can go back to page I can go into
Speaker 12: Calaire and say, honestly and looking Regional Austrains in the eye,
Speaker 12: the National Party's listening and we're going to make you
Speaker 12: a life better because we're going to have a principal position.
Speaker 12: It's not about the position we might hold in Canberra.
Speaker 12: It's about the policy that's going to change your life
Speaker 12: for the better, to make sure that your kids have
Speaker 12: a better future. Because you know why I got into
Speaker 12: parliament is because I was jack of seeing generations of
Speaker 12: young people from Western Queensland and go over the Great
Speaker 12: Divide and go to Brisbane and never come home.
Speaker 9: I want to bring them home and keep them home.
Speaker 12: But unless we get our fair share, unless at some
Speaker 12: point we stand up and say, you know what, there
Speaker 12: are lines in the sand that we can't let go of,
Speaker 12: because if we do, then we won't change those lives.
Speaker 12: We won't make the amenity of living in reason Australia
Speaker 12: beat it, and we won't bring them home and we
Speaker 12: won't keep young people home.
Speaker 9: And that's the Australia I want to leave behind.
Speaker 12: I've been given a very privileged position to come to
Speaker 12: this Parliament and I don't care what people think of me,
Speaker 12: but I want to leave this place knowing that I've
Speaker 12: looked Australians and regional Australians in the eye and I've
Speaker 12: stood for something. I've stood for them, whether I'm right,
Speaker 12: wrong or indifferent. I've stood for them because I believe
Speaker 12: in them and I believe in our future.
Speaker 1: Good on you, David. I like talking to you. You're
Speaker 1: a straight shooty.
Speaker 2: You'll take them as as your copham and I hope
Speaker 2: you understand the sprinting which I ask, which is only
Speaker 2: for the joint to be better at and to be
Speaker 2: saved from the idiots that well, I'm going to be
Speaker 2: running the joint for the next little wile.
Speaker 1: Thank you, mate, appreciate it, thanks mate.
Speaker 2: Now, despite the fact that, of course that was a
Speaker 2: pre record, you may well have noticed that one of
Speaker 2: my five points that I made was about the timing
Speaker 2: and in relation to the personal circumstances in and around
Speaker 2: Susan Lee. Now, obviously I knew what the contents of
Speaker 2: that pre record work. But the reason I included that
Speaker 2: one of my five thoughts at the start was because
Speaker 2: that's what many people's emotional reaction to all.
Speaker 1: Of this has been, Why did this happen? What's the timing?
Speaker 2: So to hear David Little Proud in his own words
Speaker 2: say that the timing was not of his choosing. Instead,
Speaker 2: it was of the Liberal Party's choosing that clearsed the air,
Speaker 2: which is why in the order in which I presented
Speaker 2: at this evening is the order in which that I
Speaker 2: have presented it. I am frustrated tonight, really frustrated tonight,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to tell you this too.
Speaker 1: There is an awful lot of people.
Speaker 2: Who want nothing but the center right of Australian politics
Speaker 2: to start getting into a circular firing squad where.
Speaker 1: One person.
Speaker 2: Is more purer and another person needs to be thrown
Speaker 2: over the walls. Well, the Australian people at the past
Speaker 2: two elections have thrown twenty thirty people over the walls.
Speaker 1: They're former coalition MPs.
Speaker 2: There is a tough, hard, difficult conversation of which I'm
Speaker 2: going to be really honest with you. I've got lots
Speaker 2: of questions, but I don't have the immediate automatic answers.
Speaker 1: And beware, beware.
Speaker 2: Of anyone who is saying I know the path because
Speaker 2: we haven't been here before. But can I say to
Speaker 2: you who are watching wherever you happen to be, if
Speaker 2: you're watching us on your phone somewhere, if you're watching
Speaker 2: us today tomorrow, if you're listening to a podcast. The
Speaker 2: one thing Albanezi, the Left, the Greens and much of
Speaker 2: the media that hates the very existence of this conversation
Speaker 2: right now. They want us to turn on each other.
Speaker 2: That's why I am frustrated about what has happened today.
Speaker 2: Hopefully it has resolved sooner rather than later. But for
Speaker 2: those of us who believe that the country is headed
Speaker 2: in the wrong direction with a government that is going
Speaker 2: to take it even further into a wrong direction. Signposts
Speaker 2: into our future like what's happening in Victoria, the focus
Speaker 2: is not on each other. It's on the rest of
Speaker 2: Australia and not forcing them to believe what we believe,
Speaker 2: but for us to have a greater understanding of what
Speaker 2: the average Australian does believe does want to match them
Speaker 2: where they are, because that's the reality of having a
Speaker 2: conversation and trying to convince people. It's why I go
Speaker 2: to such incredible lengths to put data, data, data, not
Speaker 2: just opinion, in front of you so that when you
Speaker 2: have an argument, a discussion or a disagreement with somebody,
Speaker 2: you can pull on some of those facts to perhaps
Speaker 2: get somebody to move ever so slightly this way, ever
Speaker 2: so slightly that way.
Speaker 1: But I guarantee you this the fight is not within.
Speaker 2: The fight is always at the people who we think
Speaker 2: are doing harm to the country. Quick break back with
Speaker 2: more loss of the debate tonight.
Speaker 1: I look forward to it.
Speaker 2: Add lots of your feedback in real time or otherwise
Speaker 2: you can send me an email pau Let's gounews dot
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching wherever you happen to be.
Speaker 2: Let's get to a conversation right now with Garth Hamilton,
Speaker 2: freshly reelected as the member for Groom at the federal election,
Speaker 2: and the mayor that we love the most is none
Speaker 2: other than Nicholas Rice, of course, the Lord Mayor of
Speaker 2: the City of Melbourne Garth.
Speaker 1: Let's get to you first. So after your name is
Speaker 1: l NP.
Speaker 2: So are you an L or are you an N
Speaker 2: or are you a P What the hell happens to you?
Speaker 2: Where do you sit? Do you get to serve or
Speaker 2: not serve? What happens to you in the next couple
Speaker 2: of years.
Speaker 11: Well, look, I'm a member of the LMP. I sit
Speaker 11: with the Liberal Party Room. You may remember it wasn't
Speaker 11: that long ago that Ian McFarlane tried to switch Groom
Speaker 11: over to the National Party. I think in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 11: You've been to my elector at Paul right where Liberal
Speaker 11: meets Nash. You have the beautiful city to wimber and
Speaker 11: then all that wonderful agricultural and around there. So look,
Speaker 11: I'll always be a Liberal Party member, but I've got
Speaker 11: that strong agricultural connection like a lot of Liberal Party
Speaker 11: members do.
Speaker 1: Are you cut about what's happened today?
Speaker 11: I'm bloody frustrated. Paul, absolutely absolutely, And I booked this
Speaker 11: show with you before this happened, and I've got to
Speaker 11: tell you I had some long, hard thoughts about coming on,
Speaker 11: because look, I'm not going to go into it too long,
Speaker 11: because the longer that we're talking about the coalition agreement,
Speaker 11: that's the less time that we're talking about the issues
Speaker 11: that we need to be addressing so the Australian people
Speaker 11: can get confidence in us again.
Speaker 9: But I do want to say this.
Speaker 11: I think this is incredibly poor judgment. I think it
Speaker 11: was great you had David little Proud on before so
Speaker 11: he can state his case. I think it's fair to
Speaker 11: give him that opportunity. I think this is poor judgment
Speaker 11: and history will not look kindly on what's happened today.
Speaker 11: We're a coalition, We're not always going to be agreeing
Speaker 11: on everything, but we've got to be able to disagree,
Speaker 11: and we've got to be able to trust each other
Speaker 11: that we can have a forceful, strong conversation on things
Speaker 11: we believe in and come out the other side together.
Speaker 11: And today I think walks away from that principle, and
Speaker 11: I'm pretty disappointed.
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that you here, we want to break
Speaker 2: over it, because obviously many hours of that conversation has
Speaker 2: happened thus far. But I appreciate you you honoring the
Speaker 2: commitment to be here, no matter how difficult the immediate
Speaker 2: circumstances are. Nicholas, I don't even know if we can
Speaker 2: call you a Laborman any more, because of course you
Speaker 2: sort of walked away from the Labor Party and they
Speaker 2: kind of tried to screw you out of being the mayor.
Speaker 2: But what do you think about what's happened today as
Speaker 2: a former labor man.
Speaker 8: Well, look, I think you could probably see it coming
Speaker 8: for a while, couldn't you, With this conscious uncoupling. There's
Speaker 8: been some pressure there for some while, and look, maybe
Speaker 8: the two parties just need some time to reflect and
Speaker 8: work out how to take it forward in a positive
Speaker 8: way together. Of course, the risk with all this is
Speaker 8: they actually end up further apart, that the National Party
Speaker 8: sort of goes back into the cave, goes back to
Speaker 8: been cave dwellers on coal and you know, regional pork
Speaker 8: barreling and the urban Liberals. You know, they kind of
Speaker 8: start to look like teals and there's actually no chance
Speaker 8: of them being able to bridge the divide between them.
Speaker 8: So you know, there may be some short term benefit
Speaker 8: in them spending some time apart, But I don't think
Speaker 8: they want to leave it for too long because as said,
Speaker 8: they'll be end up so far apart that it will
Speaker 8: essentially be irreconcilable. And I've got to say, looking at
Speaker 8: some of those things that David little pray Out was
Speaker 8: describing as lines in the sand, I do wonder how
Speaker 8: long it's going to take. I mean, talking about nuclear power,
Speaker 8: I mean, this is just an engineering solution, an energy
Speaker 8: related thing, but they're now talking it like it's a fundamental,
Speaker 8: you know, philosophical tenet of their party, which is obviously nonsense.
Speaker 8: And that twenty billion dollar you know, Regional Future find
Speaker 8: I mean that just looks like an old fashioned shakedown
Speaker 8: of the rest of us to give more money to
Speaker 8: regional Australia. You know, where's the where's this Capital City
Speaker 8: Future Fund or the Peri Urban Future Fund, all the
Speaker 8: average suburban Australia Future Fund. Don't we all want a
Speaker 8: future one? Why should regional Australia be so special?
Speaker 2: See, because I like you, I'm holding I'm holding holding,
Speaker 2: I'm holding in some of my emotion here right, and
Speaker 2: you can imagine there might be a fair amount of
Speaker 2: it over the past few weeks that I would love
Speaker 2: to her in a certain direction. All right, well guess
Speaker 2: guess what it's about to hit a brick wall.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Firstly, the idea that the National Party a cave dwellers.
Speaker 2: You know that this program is seen in lots of
Speaker 2: different ways, but particularly on Sky News Regional, and it's
Speaker 2: in areas that have very.
Speaker 1: Strong support for the National Party.
Speaker 2: Right, So the idea that by extension, the people who
Speaker 2: vote you're putting into that camp, I consider that to
Speaker 2: be right.
Speaker 1: On the line, going back to the cave. Okay, right
Speaker 1: on the line.
Speaker 2: Secondly, I think, look again, I'm not inside this, all right,
Speaker 2: I'm not inside this. We'll all read like everybody else, right,
Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure that you break up a coalition
Speaker 2: off this. This future fund idea, to me, pretty easy
Speaker 2: to say when you're in opposition. Sure, let's make it
Speaker 2: one hundred trillion dollars. You know you can make all
Speaker 2: of those sorts of announcements. It is very obviously something
Speaker 2: in and around nuclear power, something in and around net zero.
Speaker 2: And you know the last one on this And I'll
Speaker 2: go to you first, Nicholas.
Speaker 1: Which is.
Speaker 2: I'll immediately be accused of being a lefty for asking
Speaker 2: the question. But I'm a big boy, which means I
Speaker 2: can ask the question and please people do not interpret
Speaker 2: what my motivation is. Just listen to the actual question, okay,
Speaker 2: which is, do you think that the Liberal Party has
Speaker 2: to deal or the National Party or the Coalition whatever
Speaker 2: center right of Australian politics needs to deal with climate
Speaker 2: change in the way that the Labor Party dealt with
Speaker 2: bad protection. Because Nicholas, you and I sat here for
Speaker 2: how long talking about boat turnbacks, Anthony Abanize went on
Speaker 2: television saying I couldn't possibly turn aroun under vote, and
Speaker 2: then basically the price of admission to modern government was
Speaker 2: to do that to protect our borders.
Speaker 1: Now they didn't deliver on it. They didn't. They of
Speaker 1: course removed temporary protection.
Speaker 2: Visas, so not doing what the coalition government had done previously.
Speaker 2: But as a person of the center left, do you
Speaker 2: think that, you know, when people under fifty they believe
Speaker 2: in the environment more than they do god, that the
Speaker 2: reality is that that is the price of admission for
Speaker 2: certain for certain people in Australia.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I do, Paul. So I know parties on the
Speaker 8: left around the world spent a deca or a decade
Speaker 8: and more losing elections because they didn't understand that border
Speaker 8: security and the idea of a managed, well managed immigration program,
Speaker 8: including refugees, was really important to people. I remember going
Speaker 8: to visit Denmark and talking with the leaders of the
Speaker 8: Social Democratic Party. There had been very successful decades and
Speaker 8: then a decade out of power, and I said, what
Speaker 8: went wrong, guys, And they said, well, we're just you know,
Speaker 8: our policies around borders and immigration intake and refugees was
Speaker 8: just not acceptable to the Danish people.
Speaker 9: And so I said, what did you do?
Speaker 8: Well, they change their policy, and you see a Labor
Speaker 8: Party do a similar thing going back a few years
Speaker 8: now and brought them back to in line with mainstream,
Speaker 8: austrained views, and they became a very successful political outfit again.
Speaker 15: Now.
Speaker 8: I do think that the conservative side of politics is
Speaker 8: going through a similar funk now on climate change, and
Speaker 8: I think that the Liberal and National parties split today
Speaker 8: in some ways might make it harder because I think
Speaker 8: the Nats will probably go further to the right if
Speaker 8: I can describe it that way, on energy policy, and
Speaker 8: the Libs will try and track you to the left.
Speaker 8: I'll make be more tearish, and so it'll be harder
Speaker 8: for them to reconcile and get a coherent policy next thation,
Speaker 8: because OSSI is going to ask, well, hang on, if
Speaker 8: I vote for you, which energy policy I'm actually going
Speaker 8: to get here? So they've got to solve it before
Speaker 8: the next election.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but conversely, right Labor Party and the Liberal Party,
Speaker 2: they both wod we won't talk about twenty thirty five,
Speaker 2: but twenty thirty five's is the next number coming down
Speaker 2: the pike. Labour Party activists want them to go up
Speaker 2: to seventy five percent emission's reduction cut, not forty three
Speaker 2: seventy five and Garth certainly in and around to Woomba
Speaker 2: and again peri urban areas. That is a much bigger
Speaker 2: whack obviously than what we have already seen as the
Speaker 2: whack to our economy of forty three. So the reality
Speaker 2: is that I'm not toially sure that what the Goldilocks
Speaker 2: position is here. There's a whole bunch of political thinkers
Speaker 2: who might think something. There's a whole bunch of people
Speaker 2: who say there's lines in the sand. But the reality
Speaker 2: is that whatever the Liberal Party's position is in three
Speaker 2: years time, frankly doesn't mean much. Let's focus on how
Speaker 2: the Labor Party will set its own position in the
Speaker 2: next three years, and it could be bigger than what
Speaker 2: the teals demand.
Speaker 11: Look, you could be right, and I think one of
Speaker 11: the things that maybe we don't articulate well. And if
Speaker 11: you come up to Tormer and you've we've got fantastic
Speaker 11: red meat. I've got more cattle, more head of cattle
Speaker 11: on feed lots than anywhere else in Australia.
Speaker 9: In my electorate.
Speaker 11: I've got a coal mine out there sending great coal
Speaker 11: to Japan, a thermal coal out there. These are things
Speaker 11: that matter to us. They impact us. So these discussions,
Speaker 11: aren't you hypothetical? There are actually jobs of people that
Speaker 11: we know in our communities. But look, I think the issue.
Speaker 9: I think you're very right.
Speaker 11: We need to be looking where labor are going here.
Speaker 11: But what we need to be doing is putting a
Speaker 11: price tag on that so that we can take this
Speaker 11: away from a moral question of whether you know you're
Speaker 11: either it's black or white, you're either good or bad.
Speaker 11: If you question any part of net zero, you're an
Speaker 11: evil trog the diet.
Speaker 9: Or something like that.
Speaker 11: We need to get away from that and put a
Speaker 11: dollar figure on it and say let's treat net zero
Speaker 11: spending like I don't know, like defense spending, and so
Speaker 11: it's going to be capped at a certain percentage of GDP.
Speaker 11: I don't know, put a figure on it, somehow measure it,
Speaker 11: because I guarantee you what labor and the Greens and
Speaker 11: the teals will want to spend will just keep going
Speaker 11: up and up and up. And then it becomes an
Speaker 11: economic question because that dollar is costing every taxpayer right
Speaker 11: across Australia.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Now was out of time, sorry, but evinced the day
Speaker 2: blewis in that direction. But I want to ask a mayor,
Speaker 2: if I only have one here of Melbourne.
Speaker 1: No doubt you have got an awful lot more.
Speaker 2: Tobacconists than you used to in Melbourne a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago. And we also know that what's being sold
Speaker 2: there is not exactly legal product. We also know one
Speaker 2: of the reasons that's the case it is because of
Speaker 2: the federal taxation system that has.
Speaker 1: Been put in and around tobacco.
Speaker 2: So how do you feel about the conversation that maybe
Speaker 2: tobacco taxes are wildly out of control and the black
Speaker 2: market opportunity is being taken on almost every street corner.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean the bit you left out of that
Speaker 8: intro is we've also had one hundred and twenty arson
Speaker 8: attacks career across Melbourne because there's an underworld war going
Speaker 8: on between you know, the chop chop merchants. So it's
Speaker 8: crazy actually, and you know, it's like an experiment in
Speaker 8: when taxes go too far and create these totally perverse outcomes.
Speaker 8: So for anyone hasn't tuned in, it was not a smoker.
Speaker 8: Tobacco taxes have gone up five hundred percent over a decade,
Speaker 8: and so price of smokes is now so expensive that
Speaker 8: it's open this huge space for the black marketee is
Speaker 8: to come in selling a legal chop shop. And then
Speaker 8: what's happened is because it's you know, crooks are running
Speaker 8: this game. If a bit of competition comes along, like
Speaker 8: another tobacco shop and opens in the shopping shoop gets
Speaker 8: quite in Melbourne and fire bombing them, and so it's
Speaker 8: center criminals.
Speaker 9: The Federals are promising.
Speaker 15: More and more money.
Speaker 8: It's interesting that once they start getting a lot of
Speaker 8: revenue at something, they start putting money into law and order.
Speaker 8: But anyway, it's not working and we need to have change.
Speaker 2: Yes, correct, agree, sanity in that time. Thank you, lads,
Speaker 2: do appreciate it. Long a chat next time? All right,
Speaker 2: coming up, Meghan Kelly, the great Joe Biden cover up.
Speaker 2: There's only one lady who's going to fire up as
Speaker 2: hard as Megan Kelly, and it's Meghan Kelly. Next the
Speaker 2: way to talk to about favorite person in the world,
Speaker 2: the wonderful Megan Kelly joins us from the United States.
Speaker 1: How are you mate?
Speaker 15: I'm great. How are you doing, Paul?
Speaker 2: Well, there is so much bs about the last president,
Speaker 2: Joe Biden, and I know they say we're not allowed
Speaker 2: to talk about it.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, We're going to talk about it. Where do
Speaker 1: we start?
Speaker 3: There are truly layers upon layers of going down here.
Speaker 3: So first we had the obvious cover up of Joe
Speaker 3: Biden's mental infirmity from the White House and the complicit media.
Speaker 3: Lest they be forgotten, yes, the White House and the
Speaker 3: aids protecting the president are the chief villains in all
Speaker 3: of it. But the media is just as complicit in
Speaker 3: the cover up and went along with it, not unwittingly. Wittingly,
Speaker 3: they went along with it because they didn't want to
Speaker 3: report on anything that could jeopardize Biden's chances of getting
Speaker 3: elected and then re elected, and that might enable Trump's
Speaker 3: trip right into the White House. That's why they had
Speaker 3: to go along with the lies. They're not complete idiot.
Speaker 3: They saw what seventy seven percent of the country saw,
Speaker 3: which was that he was too old and infirm to
Speaker 3: be president.
Speaker 15: They saw it. This is their business politics.
Speaker 3: They didn't report on it because they had zero interest
Speaker 3: in bringing that story to print or to camera. They
Speaker 3: did not want it fanned, and they didn't want it
Speaker 3: to catch on. He was too important to them. And they,
Speaker 3: like the rest of the Democrats who were actually in
Speaker 3: politics on like the media who aren't supposed to be,
Speaker 3: saw the truth, which was there was no clear heir apparent.
Speaker 15: If Biden went.
Speaker 3: Then who And they continued to say to themselves internally
Speaker 3: and externally, who else can do it? He's the only
Speaker 3: one to beat Trump. And that is the reason for
Speaker 3: all of the lies and then complicity by the media
Speaker 3: and covering it up. So now we get to the
Speaker 3: point where they're feeling bad. I guess a couple of
Speaker 3: them found a conscience about the fact that they covered
Speaker 3: up the biggest story in decades at the presidential level
Speaker 3: that we had and cognitively paired president who most likely
Speaker 3: should have been twenty fifth amendmented right out of office,
Speaker 3: meaning you can't perform the duties any longer, so you're out.
Speaker 3: And they've decided to use their Democrats sources to write
Speaker 3: books about it. Okay, I'm in favor of that, to
Speaker 3: be honest. I like it because now I've read the
Speaker 3: Tapper Thompson book Original Sin, and I actually did learn
Speaker 3: a fair amount of new details in there.
Speaker 15: Did my opinion of the infirmity change? No, not at all.
Speaker 15: We knew the bottom line.
Speaker 3: Everybody listening to my voice right now, we knew the
Speaker 3: bottom line.
Speaker 15: Your bottom line is not going to change.
Speaker 3: But there's a lot more in there about who else knew,
Speaker 3: who specifically was covering it up inside of the White House,
Speaker 3: et cetera. And I found that very interesting, Like I
Speaker 3: wanted names, and so far we haven't seen somebody provide them,
Speaker 3: and now we have. Okay, great, We're off to the races.
Speaker 3: So no sooner does that book hit.
Speaker 15: It hits on.
Speaker 3: Tuesday and the audio of her Special Council Investigation is
Speaker 3: posted on Axios by one of the co authors of
Speaker 3: this same book showing Biden was out to lunch. He
Speaker 3: was non compassmentis he was the daffy, old, very old
Speaker 3: great grandpa that you sometimes get seated next to at
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving who drones on and on about Mongolia and how
Speaker 3: he fought sumo wrestlers and hit perfect bullseyes, and you
Speaker 3: have to pretend that you believe it, and you think
Speaker 3: it's charming until you're really just looking around, like, can
Speaker 3: someone save me from great Grandpa?
Speaker 15: I need a break.
Speaker 3: Someone else has got to do the loving but heavy
Speaker 3: lifting over here. So no, sooner do those two things happen,
Speaker 3: the audio and this book, than at that moment they
Speaker 3: decide to tell us he's got cancer. Not just any cancer,
Speaker 3: but prostate cancer which is spread to the bones, which
Speaker 3: every single doctor I have spoken to personally or read
Speaker 3: or watched in the past twenty four to thirty six hours,
Speaker 3: every single one, prostate specialists, urologists, oncologists all say this
Speaker 3: would take five to seven years, maybe ten to go
Speaker 3: from prostate cancer to metastasized into the bones. Five to
Speaker 3: seven probably ten. All of them said he had this
Speaker 3: when he took office.
Speaker 2: I ought to imagine, if you're the president, they're taking
Speaker 2: a vall of blood every two weeks, just to make
Speaker 2: sure that everything's okay. Yet none of this showed the
Speaker 2: prostate cancer that is now apparently so advanced that it
Speaker 2: is well, it's life threatening.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: So far, what we've seen is that the annual exams
Speaker 3: of Joe Biden did not include any reporting about this
Speaker 3: so called PSA test, which every man over fifty in
Speaker 3: the States.
Speaker 15: Is advised to get.
Speaker 3: It's so easy, it's you don't have to do anything
Speaker 3: invasive or uncomfortable. Just when you give your blood at
Speaker 3: your annual physical you check the box that says and
Speaker 3: please add the PSA test to see if these antigens
Speaker 3: that might say you have some activity happening in the
Speaker 3: prostate are up.
Speaker 15: So it's a nothing burger.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're going to check for check my lipids,
Speaker 3: very easy to say, and also, hey, check out the prostate.
Speaker 15: We'd like to know.
Speaker 3: And so the reality is Joe Biden's probably been getting
Speaker 3: that PSA test for some thirty years now, and what
Speaker 3: it just happened to stop when he went into the
Speaker 3: White House. President Trump is getting it. That's his annual physical.
Speaker 3: President Obama got it. It was on his annual physical
Speaker 3: President George W. Bush got it, it was on his
Speaker 3: Only Joe Biden doesn't have it, and only Joe Biden
Speaker 3: is the oldest president in US history, and only Joe
Speaker 3: Biden actually has prostate cancer, which all of the prostate
Speaker 3: cancer experts say five to seven years. They're lying to us.
Speaker 3: They have been covering this up for years. That's my
Speaker 3: informed opinion.