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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the You Project. Craig

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Speaker 1: Anthey Harper's mind name. Anna Goldsworthy from Una Movement has

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Speaker 1: graced us with her presence yet again.

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Speaker 2: Hi kid, Hi, I just gracefully came in of grace Like.

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Speaker 1: Oh, when I think of graceful, I think of you

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Speaker 1: like a little swan just gliding across my computer screen.

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Speaker 1: Just elegant, almost regal. Well, you're dressed in white, so

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Speaker 1: you're the right color.

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Speaker 2: I will take that. I will take it. But I

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Speaker 2: get more of the Elaine Benis version of.

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Speaker 1: Graceful Elaine from Seinfeld.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a great episode where someone gives her a

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Speaker 2: compliment and might even be the exact word graceful, and

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Speaker 2: she kind of leans in in this really ungraceful way

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Speaker 2: and was like really me, and it's hilarious, and that's

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Speaker 2: pretty much how Yeah, I'm a tom boy, that's me.

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Speaker 1: When I was thinking of Swan, I also thought of Tiff,

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Speaker 1: and I thought you too, were so bloody. You're not swans,

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Speaker 1: more like newborn foles, just clunking around all over the joint,

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Speaker 1: just trying to stand up straight and trying to.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I wouldn't. I feel like that's not accurate.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to defend there, like.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: You are personality trait version of not graceful coordinate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well also tif, Tif's pretty fucking coordinated and she

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Speaker 1: could punch my lights out, so I better attract that.

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Speaker 1: What do you have? I mean, we know she's a

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Speaker 1: boxer and quite just an all round good athlete. Are

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Speaker 1: you were you particularly good at anything or genetically or

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Speaker 1: athletically predisposed to a sport or a particular event when

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Speaker 1: you are not that year old now are You're still young?

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Speaker 2: But when you were younger, I was a huge fan

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Speaker 2: of netball and that was my safe place because I

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Speaker 2: felt good at it and I got a pat on

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Speaker 2: the back. But the older I get, the more I'm like,

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Speaker 2: was it just that I really really really liked it?

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Speaker 2: Or was I okay at it? And I will never

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Speaker 2: know because maybe the crowning moment to know I was

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Speaker 2: good at it was when i'd moved to Geelong. We

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Speaker 2: left the country, sorry, left country town, Australia and moved

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Speaker 2: to Geelong, not left the country. And there was a

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Speaker 2: competition to try out to be part of one of

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Speaker 2: the above amateur geelong netball teams and the night before

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Speaker 2: because I just couldn't get enough of Neddie, like just

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Speaker 2: any time when I could get it, I got it,

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Speaker 2: and someone asked me to fill in the night before

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Speaker 2: in a competition, some blazing around the court doing my thing.

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Speaker 2: Goldfence was my favorite team. You cannot get any better

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Speaker 2: than the feeling of an interception, like the timing's perfect.

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Speaker 1: I think you mean favorite position you said favorite team?

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Speaker 2: Oh, excuse me, thank you did I thanks Craig, favorite position,

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Speaker 2: gold Fence and just oh, I can feel it now,

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Speaker 2: like when you time it just right and you snatch

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Speaker 2: that ball away and you're the absolute hero of the

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Speaker 2: other end of the court. Anyway, it was a moment

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Speaker 2: It It went was like a prawn cracker from a

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Speaker 2: don't know if there was any crunching or cracking because

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Speaker 2: I'd done that ankle before and that it passed, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't the best.

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Speaker 1: How old were you at this particular stage of your

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Speaker 2: I moved too long a year ten, so I would

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Speaker 2: have been like just sixteen. So I'm one of those

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Speaker 2: younger I started school young, and yeah, I can still

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Speaker 2: remember sitting on the wheelchair with my leg out and

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Speaker 2: that was the point where whereby my life went, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I can't go back there. I've got to go now,

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Speaker 2: I go after UNI or whatever else. I really can't.

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Speaker 1: Oh bugger, We'll never know.

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Speaker 2: I will never know. But I was at least, you know,

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Speaker 2: the fact that I got the invitation. Maybe I was

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Speaker 1: But I have a similar I have a similar story.

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Speaker 1: But I did make it to the tryouts, and I

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Speaker 1: didn't make it, but I was, you know, has been

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Speaker 1: well advertised on this show, genetically and athletically and sportingly

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Speaker 1: I would train pretty much every other day all the time,

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Speaker 1: And I did all right, And I think I made

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Speaker 1: of pretty happy with that I went because I went

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Speaker 1: from being the fat kid who never even got a

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Speaker 1: a little bit of resilience. So it's good what we

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Speaker 1: what we've got to work with. Speaking of that, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about grown ups. Let's talk about grown ups. I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about a few things today. Just remind

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Speaker 1: people who are or just either remind listeners who've met

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Speaker 1: you but can't remember exactly what you do, or new

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Speaker 1: people because new people will hear you today. Give us

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Speaker 1: the quick snapshot of your job, your quals, and kind

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Speaker 1: of what you do in this space.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm a changeologist. I help people make change.

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Speaker 2: So we all have these tricky transitions in life where

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Speaker 2: we're either aiming to make change or there's an itch

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Speaker 2: And then there's transitions where we go, okay, this I'm

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Speaker 2: we start to get this weird human experience where we

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Speaker 2: doubt ourselves all of a sudden because we've defined ourselves

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Speaker 2: am I when I'm looking for something new? So I

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Speaker 2: help people define that space and get rid of old

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Speaker 2: done in a couple of ways. It's well on a movement,

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Speaker 2: the name of my business is a movement is part

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Speaker 2: of it because I'm an exercise physiologist, But the movement

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Speaker 2: part of it is more a collective or mindset movement

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Speaker 2: that we need to have a really good understanding of

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Speaker 2: way before our health can come on board. So in

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Speaker 2: three we can do that with exercise to some degree.

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Speaker 2: But it's not an amazing tool, and it's not a

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Speaker 1: So could you just say that, did you the exercise

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Speaker 1: physiologists say that exercise is not an amazing tool.

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Speaker 2: It's not an amazing tool for humans because humans tend

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Speaker 2: to getting first argument, No, no, I need to clarified.

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Speaker 1: It better be good, be good.

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Speaker 2: It's a we're going to swear we're going to get

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Speaker 2: into it's a fucking fantastic tool. But what happens is

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Speaker 2: human get in their own way. So we can go okay, yeap's.

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Speaker 1: But that's not saying exercise is not a good tool.

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Speaker 1: That's saying the mind gets in the way of what

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Speaker 2: Correct a mondo. So if we read structure the sentence.

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Speaker 2: Exercise is not always the best tool for people to

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Speaker 2: I used to be the best netball or the best winner,

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Speaker 2: us that. In exercise, we absolutely stretch and create capacity

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Speaker 2: we within that process we make our brains stronger, and

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Speaker 2: we do all these things at health performance in the

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Speaker 2: what happens in a six or eight week period of

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Speaker 2: we make more room to make health decisions outside of

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit that's very interesting, and we avoided

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Speaker 1: it's amazing how much people's attitude and thinking and outlook

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Speaker 1: work for different people, isn't it. It's like some people

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Speaker 1: other people, it might be maybe go away and figure

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Speaker 1: maybe when you genuinely are ready to do the work

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Speaker 1: probably not a three step plan for anyone.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, and I completely agree. Some of the best

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Speaker 2: I want this is what I want. I want an

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Speaker 2: exercise program, and you're come in and you do the

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Speaker 2: logical exercise physiologist thing and you go, okay, we've got

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Speaker 2: to get ABCD in line. Here's the exercises you'll do.

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Speaker 2: This is the best amount to do. Go off and

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Speaker 2: do that, and you see them in a fortnight and

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Speaker 2: they haven't done it. So that's where the fun part

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Speaker 2: where you get to go. So what got in the way?

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Speaker 2: So a good example, and to your point, right, maybe

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Speaker 2: nutrition is the first point. Maybe that's the block that's

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Speaker 2: blocking our access to you know, there's lots of windows

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Speaker 2: don't exit size, my capacity to be kind and how

429
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Speaker 2: I want to operate in this world goes down. Then

430
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Speaker 2: is that an easier way to walk through the gym.

431
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it for my body or the fear

432
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: of what other people think, and my judgments of them

433
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: are also my judgments of myself. It's like, hey, I'm

434
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: walking into the gym to work on my capacity to

435
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Speaker 2: be available and kind because I know if I don't,

436
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 2: I slide down the scale of kindness. So we think

437
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: of ourselves in absolutes. I am and it's ah, I'm

438
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: having the thought that I am. I notice I'm having

439
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: the thought that I am kind, But I was actually

440
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: a bit rude to the supermarket checkout person. Then, because

441
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Speaker 2: I'm in my thoughts.

442
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I'm all for radical self awareness and honesty.

443
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm very flawed. I talk about my

444
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: flaws all the time, but I try hard. I've fucked

445
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: up more things than I've got right, and that's okay.

446
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to deny people their feelings or

447
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: their fears. I'm like, yeah, I completely understand, and you

448
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: have my support. But when you are controlled by your

449
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: feelings and your fears, that doesn't work out well over

450
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: the long time, long term. And so you can be

451
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: fucking terrified and also courageous. That's a choice. So how

452
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: do I be brave? And being brave is for some people,

453
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: being brave is running into a burning building. For some

454
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: other people, it's looking someone in the face and having

455
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: a conversation, and it will promote the same fear response

456
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: in each person. So it's not a generic global thing.

457
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: It's an individual thing. But yeah, I think just that

458
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: and that I want to be kind really. I mean,

459
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: that's what people say when they've got to say something publicly,

460
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: Like it's like, what's the right thing for me to say?

461
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: You know? What's really the brave thing is to say, look,

462
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: I'm pretty fucked up sometimes I've done good stuff and

463
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: bad stuff. I'm a work in progress. I'm pretty flawed,

464
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: but I'm trying. You know, that's more real. I mean,

465
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: that's like, well, that's all of us. Like, let's not

466
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: pretend that your overarching goal in life is kindness. Sounds beautiful,

467
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: but it's just not fucking true because all I've got

468
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: to do is stand back and look at you and

469
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: what's your behavior. There's very little kindness going on.

470
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Speaker 2: That's it. So I think you start we're wrapping it

471
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: into a nicer little bow. Is that the skill that

472
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: we're helping people develop from this angle is the skill

473
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: of not taking their feelings seriously. So it's the concept

474
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Speaker 2: of workability. So I'm having a feeling, but how helpful

475
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: is that feeling to get me to where I want

476
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: to be? So it's not that we're tending to everyone's feelings,

477
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: but we're allowing them to have a skill which allows

478
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: them to see mindfully as they are. Thoughts and feelings

479
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: are not always true and helpful. And that the control

480
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: agenda that I can control all my feelings, i e.

481
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: I have to feel good about walking into the gym

482
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: is an illusion. So there's the paradigm shift. I can

483
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: still walk into the gym and be feeling nervous and

484
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: judged at the same time. Right, it's not that we're

485
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: sitting on the couch and going that, you know, that's

486
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: the paradigm shift. It's that not all thought, thoughts, and

487
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: feelings aren't good or bad. It's how I operate around

488
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: them that is defining my health and the path and

489
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: the potential that I take. And then we're just looking

490
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: for patterns that pops up. It's the same thing, but

491
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Speaker 2: it pops up in seven of my relationships or five

492
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: of my environments, and I say I want X, y Z,

493
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: but I end up operating in a way that completely

494
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: ham strings hamstrung. Is that the phrase I hand.

495
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: Ham strings ham hamstrings, ye strings myself.

496
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Speaker 2: So it's I can see where the language gets tricky,

497
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: where that confirmation bias comes in of going, oh, but

498
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: I like, come on, people have got a lift. It's

499
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: just another way of getting people to lift. It's like, okay, yep,

500
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: that was a thing, and that triggers this. But then

501
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: before you know it, you're in an argument, and then

502
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: you've taken on a role at work that you don't

503
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: need to and now, all of a sudden, you're working

504
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: till six and that was the time you were meant

505
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: to be at the gym, and you've got no problem

506
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: walking walking into the gym. But we've responded to a

507
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: thought or a feeling in a way that then has

508
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: increased our workload on our nervous system or our literal workload.

509
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: And we're working by a lamp when we should be

510
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: at home with our family. So it's how we're responding

511
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: to them, and how do they flow into how much

512
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: energy I've got left in the day to look after

513
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: myself and how effective have I been doing the things

514
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: that I'm meant to be doing all day?

515
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? Good, good, like good self awareness stuff. I think

516
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: also thinking about. So you do some corporate speaking now,

517
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: and I've been helping you, coaching you, mentoring you in

518
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: bits and pieces over the years, and you know, I

519
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: can't say, but I'm sure the first time you ever

520
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: did a gig, the level of anxiety and nerves and

521
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: confidence and whatever lack of confidence was, whatever it was,

522
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: and then the second time different, and then now you've

523
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: done quite a bit and doing more. I'm sure now

524
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: that when you step up in front of a group

525
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Speaker 1: that even though you're doing the same thing, you're talking

526
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Speaker 1: to a room full of people, same person doing the

527
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: same thing essentially, which is talking about stuff to a

528
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: group of people that are listening to you talk about stuff,

529
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: the experience is quite different, not because it's a radically

530
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: different situation, but because your relationship, the way that you

531
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: think about that, your feelings about that, your paradigm with that,

532
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: you and that have shifted, right, And so it's the

533
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: same with as you said, with you know, the first

534
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: time someone goes to the gym, maybe they're terrified. And

535
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying, hey, don't be terrified. I'm saying, I

536
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: understand it. I understand it, and I get that it's scary,

537
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: and I get that to you. This is for me,

538
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: it's very familiar and comfortable, but I understand it's the

539
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: opposite for you. And I'm not saying be more like me.

540
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying, be exactly you, but come in anyway, because

541
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: you need to get in shape, because we spoke about that.

542
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: And then the second time it's less terrifying, and the

543
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: tenth time it's it's a two out of ten, not

544
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: a nine. And the twentieth time you're fucking excited because

545
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: you met three people the bloke who owns the joint

546
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: or the lady who owns the joints great, and you

547
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: know what the machines are called, and you've got a

548
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: bit of muscle, and you're a bit fitter and your

549
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: heart rates dropped and bibbitdy bobby boo. Same person in

550
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: the same environment, completely different experience because they did the

551
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: brave thing up front.

552
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's where the irony for me works.

553
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: Back to the start of our conversation is at the

554
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: end of that, you've got a brain that's way more

555
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: balanced in neurochemicals, way more available to make healthy decisions.

556
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: That's the brain you needed to make the decision in

557
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: the first place. So the avenue that I come from

558
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: is some people are able to get through the door

559
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: and get that happening and then start working on these

560
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: other things at that point versus sometimes we've got to

561
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: come in from the other or and go, Okay, you've

562
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: got a relationship with perfectionism that means that you never

563
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: actually take the loop to manage your nervous system at

564
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: work in a way that allows you to even get

565
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 2: in the door because you've used all your time at work,

566
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: or your energy at work, and you've got fatigue that

567
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 2: you know is apparently unanswerable for anything. No, it's because

568
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: you're at work with your gearbox in neutral, reving the

569
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: crap out of your nervous system car and running out

570
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 2: of fuel while we're getting nowhere. So that's what I love.

571
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: We can come in from and create change at a

572
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: brain and nervous system level from exercise. We can do

573
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: it from a mindset point of view, or you can

574
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: mix the two together, but ultimately, for me it ends

575
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 2: up being one or the other. Door it presents itself

576
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: through your behavior and then we figure out which way

577
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: to go with it. But it's yeah, it's an interesting

578
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: space to be in where people are willing to care

579
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: for themselves. I think, ultimately is the perch that I

580
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: sit on. It's just sometimes we get stuck on how

581
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: to do it.

582
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: I think. I love that. I think another really good

583
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: individual project for us all to do is to get

584
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: curious around our own mind, Get curious around our own thoughts,

585
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: get curious around our feelings and our responses and our reactions.

586
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: I was talking to someone the other day who's quite successful,

587
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: and I was standing out the front of the Hampton's

588
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: down the road. I know them reasonably well, not super well.

589
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: I've met them ten times, so they know me. I

590
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: know them, but we're not best mates. Anyways, talking to

591
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: them and I found he's a fuckingbarrassing. They said something

592
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: and then I said something which could have been almost

593
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: interpreted as you know, I caught a fish this big,

594
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: And then I went, I caught a fish this big, right,

595
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: It was a little bit of that, and as it

596
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: was coming out of my mouth, I kind of laughed

597
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: at myself and I said to him, that's embarrassing. I

598
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: think I just tried to impress you, and he laughed.

599
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: I said, that's called self awareness, you know. And it's

600
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: so funny because you know, I still do stupid shit

601
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: where I'm insecure around some people and I want some

602
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: people's approval and I want I want to you know,

603
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, but just in that moment and anyway,

604
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: we chatted. Then I walked home and as I was

605
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: walking home, I was thinking, not in a self loathing way,

606
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: just in a curious way. I'm like, why did I

607
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: just do that? I almost never do that. I almost like,

608
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: I rarely try to be impressive, because I think trying

609
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: to be impressive creates the opposite result. Firstly, it's not

610
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: a good idea, but then I went, oh, yeah, and

611
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: it's just that I encourage people to think about how

612
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: they think. You know, that metacognitive deep dive on what's

613
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: going on in my mind with curiosity, not with judgment,

614
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: but just what's going on in my mind? Why is

615
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: that going on in what's going on in my nervous system,

616
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: what's going on in my body? More broadly, speaking of that,

617
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: I want you to explain to us in regular, normal speak,

618
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: not bloody on a exercise physiologist, academic genius speak, what's happening.

619
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Speaker 1: I know there are a multitude of things, and then

620
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: I've got a couple of specific things I want to

621
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: ask you about. So if you could do a few

622
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: minutes on this, this would be great, or as long

623
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: as you need to. But when we are stressed and

624
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: or anxious, and they somewhat work together, what's happening in

625
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: our body? What are some of the things that are

626
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: happening in our body? And I know there's no three

627
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: step fix, but talk to us around all that stuff.

628
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I know that you kind of have given

629
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 2: people that update on you know, your heart rate goes

630
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: up and all that kind of thing. So maybe where

631
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: I can add some detail or some interest here is

632
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 2: like when our nervous system, let's start with something just

633
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 2: super interesting. So what triggers our nervous system isn't often

634
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: within our own stories that we can grab the self

635
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: awareness that you were just talking about. So little study.

636
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: They took a little animal study, So if anyone's don't

637
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: love that, skip ahead. Little mouse, and they gave it

638
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: the smell of let's say, lavender. I don't know what

639
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: the smell was, but they gave it the smell of lavender.

640
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 2: And then after a while they associated the smell of

641
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Speaker 2: lavender with a shock. So they stressed that little mouse's

642
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 2: nervous system out.

643
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Speaker 1: There are people jumping out of our trying to fucking

644
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: cost me listeners.

645
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, oh it's yeah anyway, thank you mouse, thank you.

646
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: So that mouse's nervous system in that moment is going

647
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: through a couple of scenarios. Its breath rate would have

648
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: gone up or its breath rate would have gone down.

649
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: So I'm going to pause on that point and come

650
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 2: back to it in a second. So then what they

651
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: did was. They continue to train that mouse's nervous system

652
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: with the smell being associated with the shock, and then

653
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: that little mouse went off and had baby mice, and

654
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: then with those baby mice, they tested the mice's nervous

655
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: system so they would give it the smell of lavender,

656
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 2: and the baby mice had the same nervous system response

657
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 2: as the parent mouse getting a shock, but with no shock.

658
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: So that's amazing.

659
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think this is where the complex city

660
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: of sometimes where the story has to come first. Sometimes

661
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: it's not our shit that we're carrying around in our

662
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: genes that'sating our nervous systems.

663
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: What do you call that? Again? What do you call it?

664
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Speaker 1: There's a name for that. You know, when like something

665
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: gets passed down genetically, like an experience or a trauma

666
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: is a genetic I don't know, but there is yeah

667
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: that where that generational trauma it's almost passed on genetically.

668
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, epigenetic coding and coming through into there. But there

669
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: is another phrase. It's trans something transcription or.

670
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: Something anyway, it doesn't matter, we know what it is.

671
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're we're on the path. So how that becomes

672
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: interesting and maybe it'll add to your cruise ideas is

673
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 2: that then our breathing becomes an interesting thing about that.

674
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 2: So how we breathe, and as a huge collective, we're

675
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 2: breathing faster and more shallow than we have before. When

676
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: we exercise, we do that we breathe fast and shallow.

677
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: We shouldn't be shallow, we should be deep. But no

678
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: one gets taught that. We just kind of exercise. So

679
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: some of the best Olympic athletes aren't very good breathers.

680
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: So what ends up happening is at the time of

681
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: making a memory, there are two pathways that our brain

682
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: can do that that then informs our nervous system about

683
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: how safe we feel. So one is if we're breathing

684
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: too fast and we've not got enough oxygen on board,

685
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 2: and the other one if we tend to maybe hold

686
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: our breath, which is a strategy we do when we're

687
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: in shock or we're preparing for something. So our CO

688
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 2: two is going up. So there's two pathways in the

689
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: brain that then lock in that experience as a code

690
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 2: for don't do that again. It wasn't nice. So then

691
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: we get these nervous system or these sensation or we've

692
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: said before, the word interoception, this sensation that we get

693
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: in our body from our nervous system about what's safe

694
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: to do and what's not safe to do. So sometimes

695
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: part of that walking in the gym is retraining our

696
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 2: nervous system at a conscious or awar level that that

697
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: thing isn't happening to me. It's just a sensation. So

698
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: that here again, as you said, is it fact or

699
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: is it just a sensation? And that part of this

700
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: process is helping to detach the body from what we

701
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: would call a predictive system. This has happened before, so

702
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: my body is predicting it to happen again. So it

703
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 2: follows that system until we get to break the cycle.

704
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: So it's that wonderful phrase of I notice it as

705
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: it is versus it's not as it's saying it is.

706
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: So the fear might say I'm in danger versus you go, no,

707
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: I'm just having a sensation and everything's okay. I'm going

708
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: to keep pursuing my goal as I take this feeling

709
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: with me, And as you said before, people can deal

710
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 2: with that in different capacities. So that's where breath training

711
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 2: can be a really powerful tool. But again with variations

712
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: on you know what, trauma comes behind it or yeah,

713
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: so an interesting quick story I can give you quick,

714
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: quick quick as I had that pathway recently when my

715
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: father passed away. It was a sudden, sudden that he

716
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: was going to be passing. So I had to jump

717
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: in the car and drive probably about an hour and

718
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: a half, not fully knowing what was going on, not

719
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: knowing how much time I had. So in that state,

720
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: my sense of what my body is telling me while

721
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: I tell you this story is that I was breathing

722
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: fast and shallow, so not enough oxygen on board, so

723
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: which locks in the lactaate system in my brain to

724
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: use energy. So then that locked in a little pathway

725
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 2: in terms of locking in memories in my brain. So

726
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: then fast forward to when my father passed away, passed away,

727
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 2: the next day he has Then I've gone back to

728
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 2: do exercise. Eventually, you know, I went through appropriate grieving

729
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: and eventually I felt like I wanted to use my

730
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,479
Speaker 2: body again. So then when I was exercising, the lac

731
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 2: tape from my muscles was passing into my brain and

732
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: unlocking the memories. So I would exercise and as soon

733
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: as I got my heart rate up, I would burst

734
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 2: into tears.

735
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: Wow.

736
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: Wow, So the lapstate was opening up these memories I

737
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: wasn't yet ready to deal with.

738
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Speaker 1: That is super interesting. This is slightly related, but I

739
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: don't know. But a few years ago I went to Ireland.

740
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: I've told this story on the show maybe twice over

741
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: eight ten hundred episodes, so a quick third time maybe once.

742
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: But I've never been to Ireland except this once. And

743
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: my grandma was from Ireland, right. Her name was Molly Malone.

744
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: Is there a more Irish name than that? And I

745
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: never met her because she died giving birth to my mum.

746
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: And anyway, when I went to and there was no

747
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: I had no expectation. I was just going there to

748
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: do some work. Actually, and I've been to lots of

749
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: lots of countries. I was excited to go there, but

750
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: I wasn't. There was no expectation of anything, particularly other

751
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: than people say it's nice. It was weird because I

752
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: felt like I had come home. I felt a real

753
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: sense of familiarity with like and a knowing with Irish

754
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: people with the Irish accent. I stayed most of my

755
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: time in a country town called Tullamore. I don't know

756
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: where my grandmother grew up, But bloody hell, it's like

757
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: everything is so weirdly familiar and comfortable for me, like

758
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: I could be here. Yeah, I don't know. And it's

759
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: not that it wasn't like I didn't create it with

760
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: my mind because I wasn't expecting it. I was just

761
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: going to just like it's probably the twentieth country I've

762
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: been to, right, so it was just another country. But

763
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, have I been here? Did I used

764
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: to live here? Is this? Why? Why are these people?

765
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 1: Why do I feel like I'm one of these people?

766
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: I don't sound like them and they don't sound like me,

767
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, amazing, there's definitely something that gets

768
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: handed down.

769
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's definitely so I think the science saying

770
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: says currently that it's two generations before us and that

771
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't look at our nervous system even to our point

772
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: today is that you know, fuck your feelings and how

773
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: do you get past it? It's actually our senses that

774
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: come milliseconds before our thoughts if we actually consciously process them,

775
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: or the thing I see or the thing I feel

776
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: that drives my decision. So that's where metacognition becomes way way,

777
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: way more powerful because oh, what was the thing that

778
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 2: happened just before? And it's not that I need to

779
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: control it. I don't control agenda is not helpful because

780
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: you know George Clooney's behind you. That can't stop you

781
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: all the thoughts. It's then going, okay, I've got to

782
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 2: have a relationship with the sensation that then turned the

783
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: alarm down from a red to an orange, and maybe

784
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: an orange to a green. And then I'm operating in

785
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 2: a space where I can have air quote threats, but

786
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: I'm still able to turn up, which is a bit

787
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: like your analogy about public speaking. Mine was about getting

788
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: over the wrong and right story personally.

789
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: So I want to finish with one thing, and I

790
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: want you to put on your exercise physiologist hat for

791
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: five minutes. So I recently read that there's never been

792
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: and this makes sense to me, but there's never been

793
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: a generation in the history of you know, humans that

794
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: has sat down the way that we sit down, has

795
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: spent as much of their twenty four hour cycle sitting,

796
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: so and some of the consequences. You know, this is

797
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: your area more than mine, but you know hip flexion,

798
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: So what that means everyone is at the hip at

799
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: your hip where your kind of Your legs are in

800
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: front of you, and your thighs are horizontal or parallel

801
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: to the ground, so and your knees a bent, and

802
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: your shoulders are a bit forward, and your back's a

803
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: bit hunchy, and your head sitting a bit forward, and

804
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: tell us about tell us about some of the potential

805
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: carnage that's happening being a person like me. Let's not

806
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: use me as an example, though, because I know you'll

807
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: throw me under the bus, So fuck that. Because tell

808
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: us about the dangers and potential solutions of being an oversitter.

809
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: An oversitter, I think an oversitter in front of in

810
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: front of a stimulus is really interesting because it's either

811
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: in front of a telly or it's in front of

812
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: a computer. And to our little nervous system conversation today,

813
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: it's kind of in charge with how we feel. So

814
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: where disconnected with the signals that's required from our body.

815
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: So I'm disconnected in a way that I'm not moving,

816
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 2: so I'm not part of I'm not tuning my circadian rhythm,

817
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: so outges my sleep cycle. That email or the fifty

818
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: email I've got all the article that I'm trying to

819
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: write or whatever it is I'm so in tune with

820
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: it that my nervous system is driving that I'm under

821
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 2: a threat because I've got to get this done in time.

822
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: And now. For some people that means no, excuse me,

823
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: no hunger signals, but for other people it will mean

824
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 2: fifty hunger signals. For one person, they're not eating enough

825
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 2: and then realizing they're hungry at the end of the day,

826
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: versus the other person's going, oh my god, they're doing

827
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: all this and then they're eating excess carbohydrates or something

828
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 2: like that. So it always tips out to that type

829
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 2: of behavior response because there's no flexibility in the nervous

830
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: system because we're sitting too long. So the benefit of

831
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 2: exercise when we get out of that shape and move

832
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: around is that we're stimulating our nervous system to rev up,

833
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 2: and then that teaches us to deal with stress at

834
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 2: a brain level. So after we exercise, we're actually more

835
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 2: likely to have a better emotional response to a trigger,

836
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 2: particularly after a high intensity exercise about in the coming

837
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: I think it's like twenty four to thirty six hours.

838
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: So the opposite to that is if we sit and

839
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: consume information constantly, we're driving this false version of an

840
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: upregulated nervous system that then tells our body we need

841
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 2: more adrenaline, we need more cortisole. Cortisole is great for

842
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: our immune system, but not when it's aligned with not

843
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: being able to turn off or have a task to

844
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: align itself with. So there's all these kind of funny ways.

845
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: Even with the way we breathe, we can't. We don't

846
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 2: breathe deeply when we sit. Our hip flexes, particularly our

847
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 2: so as the deep guy that stabilizes the front of

848
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: the spine is attached to the diaphragm. So when we

849
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 2: don't actually stretch it with a normal full breathing cycle,

850
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: we all say we've got tight hit flexes. My argument

851
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 2: would be, we haven't taken a full breath for twenty

852
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 2: six hours, so that might be part of the process

853
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: where our body is not getting that stimulus of on

854
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 2: off chain shapes front back, just absolutely down to the basics.

855
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: So I would offer people the idea that put on

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Speaker 2: a timer for twenty minutes and if you're not taking

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Speaker 2: a break within twenty minutes, and it can simply be

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Speaker 2: looking to the side, look for the horizon, get you know,

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Speaker 2: two minutes, one minute of a different physical shape or

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Speaker 2: a different perspective done throughout the day is an absolute

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Speaker 2: tuning of the nervous system that could be mind blowing

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Speaker 2: for some people's healthy capacity.

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Speaker 1: Stand up workstations, yes or no.

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Speaker 2: You'll hate me. Because it's individually based. We look at

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Speaker 2: the perimenopause. Women who's bled blood prepore started to change

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Speaker 2: and they're having dizzy feelings here and there in parts

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Speaker 2: of their cycle, then that might not be a great

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Speaker 2: idea because then their body's giving them alert systems something's

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Speaker 2: wrong and they're just trying to do an email. Versus

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Speaker 2: people that have disautonomias, it's really bad for them. But

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Speaker 2: for someone who's needing more movement and trying to manage

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Speaker 2: the glucose level from that perspective and they've got nothing

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Speaker 2: over there. Great idea, twenty minutes standing, twenty minutes sitting,

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Speaker 2: twenty minutes standing, twenty minutes sitting. But I think remember

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Speaker 2: that the brain is at the other end of that standing.

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Speaker 2: So our body is not great at cycling blood and

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Speaker 2: less we're moving. So if you're standing still, that's a

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Speaker 2: long way away for your body to be pumping blood.

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Speaker 2: If your routine exerciser your blood vessels aren't great at

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Speaker 2: pumping that up to you. So if you're standing chucking

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Speaker 2: some calf rais is, march on the spot, do some

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Speaker 2: you know, some star jumps or something. And I think

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Speaker 2: there's a beautiful study that came up recently which was

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Speaker 2: ten bodyweight squats every forty five minutes helps us to

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Speaker 2: regulate the neurotransmitters in our brains and our blood gluecose

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Speaker 2: level in a profound way. So I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: as simple as sit or stand. I think it's about

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Speaker 2: what do I need to do to regulate myself with

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Speaker 2: my with my health knowledge on board. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Perfect, that's why we get you as if you're going

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Speaker 1: to say yes or no, fuck, I don't. Oh god,

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Speaker 1: all I wanted her to say was stand the fuck up.

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Speaker 1: But would she do it? No? No, No, you gave

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Speaker 1: us the right answer. Tell people what you've got going

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Speaker 1: on and how they can come and do stuff with you,

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Speaker 1: find you, follow you, connect with you, ready, set go.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm on socials, Come and jump on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: I put just handy little hints in there and let

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Speaker 2: you know what's going on my website. If you're wanting

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Speaker 2: to start a conversation. There's a little how I can

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Speaker 2: help your teams or you individually if you've got some

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Speaker 2: changing that needs to happen, if you're around in on

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Speaker 2: the peninsula, So Mornington Peninsula, We're happy to travel down

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Speaker 2: from Melbourne. I'm doing a breath work session at two

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Speaker 2: Session Piece that starts this Thursday at the wonderful Private Seat.

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Speaker 2: That's an evening session to help people out with their schedules.

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Speaker 2: And there's a beautiful online course that I'm doing called

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Speaker 2: Meet Your Mind, which is basically diving into how do

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Speaker 2: I do the stuff that you and I have talked

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Speaker 2: about today? Yeah, that's a four week, four week little

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Speaker 2: deep dive.

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Speaker 1: Great. And where do people go to book in or

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Speaker 1: get more?

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Speaker 2: Get more? Jump on to my jump onto my website,

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Speaker 2: Jump onto my website, into the under the events events page.

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Speaker 1: Idiot? And what's your website? What's your web address?

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Speaker 2: Literally?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Anna? And this spell that you double in an a

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Speaker 2: movement dot com?

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you you're the worst at self promotion? Like

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Speaker 1: You're like, I'm like, and where can they find it?

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Speaker 1: I'll go to my website? Cool? Do you think you

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Speaker 1: could tell them the address? Ah? Yeah, all right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So Instagram is Auna dot movement. If you're facebooky,

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Speaker 2: it's the same. LinkedIn it's Anna dot Gold's with you,

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Speaker 2: and my website's anamovement dot com. Yeah much, thanks.

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Speaker 1: Connor, it's always a pleasure. You have a good day.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks for joining us again, Thanks Craigils. Thanks to

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Speaker 2: the chat.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, thank you. Could you agree with me more

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Speaker 1: next time? They and make it fucking easier.