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Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's Harps and tiff Sadiano for you.

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Speaker 1: Project Hi tiv Hi Harps. Happy Friday, Happy Friday to you.

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Speaker 1: How's your energy? You're a grumpy little fucker. Yesterday your

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Speaker 1: energy was a two out of tech.

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Speaker 2: Are like, you're dragging my grumpiness from a couple of

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Speaker 2: days to the all week. It's gone now, but I

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Speaker 2: was very tired this morning. I felt one hundred years

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Speaker 2: old when I woke up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you get that. Were you forty one? Your next

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Speaker 1: birthday is forty two, So I mean that's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say that it's a slide, but

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Speaker 1: it's a slide. I'm scared to blink.

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Speaker 3: I'm scared to blink.

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Speaker 1: No, that's not true. That's not I'm way older than you,

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Speaker 1: and I feel I feel like not every day and

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Speaker 1: all the time, but for the most part, I feel

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Speaker 1: like I have better energy, and I feel like I'm

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Speaker 1: more curious and more excited than when I was forty.

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Speaker 1: So if that's good news for anybody, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: But I tell you a bloke who's probably excited because

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Speaker 1: he's fucking bursting with energy, although also bursting with snot

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Speaker 1: at the moment. It's got the flu or a cold. Hi, Adriana,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Good? Thanks?

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Speaker 1: Are going mat How do you live on the Sunshine

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Speaker 1: Coast and have the flu? Oh?

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Speaker 3: It's traveling to Sydney and Melbourne and places like that,

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Speaker 3: you know, for work and then coming home bringing all

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Speaker 3: the all the viruses with me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. How long have you been up there?

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Speaker 3: I've been since twenty nineteen. I moved up to year

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Speaker 3: started twenty nineteen. So what's up about five years? Have

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Speaker 3: been over five years?

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Speaker 1: And do you have your businesses based up there or

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Speaker 1: you're just there because it's a nice place to be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I just moved up here. I don't

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Speaker 3: have a business. I did have a business for a

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Speaker 3: couple of years just after COVID I tried a business

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Speaker 3: up here, but I got out of that last year.

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Speaker 3: But now I just freelance, so I just kind of

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Speaker 3: my works mainly back in Sydney, in Melbourne or overseas

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Speaker 3: so or working from home.

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Speaker 1: I was reading about I was reading a little bit

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Speaker 1: about you, the Sweet Assassin, the Particia of Paying, the

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Speaker 1: Dark Lord of the Pastry Kitchen, Lord, Lord Volna answer

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Speaker 1: to Willie Wonka. What's your favorite nickname?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, I say the one that's clicked the

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Speaker 3: motion of sweetest happened. But it's kind of like the

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Speaker 3: most common one now. But but I guess I want

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Speaker 3: to get the most of the parties and stuff, or

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Speaker 3: if I go to Lord Boulder cake because people just

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Speaker 3: find out the funniest I think. I think everyone connects

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Speaker 3: to that Harry Potter moment and and yeah, it just

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Speaker 3: takes a piece out of me all the time.

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Speaker 1: When you when you're a little kid, your mum and

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Speaker 1: dad are Italian, right, Yeah, did you when you were

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Speaker 1: a little little kid, like eight, nine, ten eleven, did

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Speaker 1: you have aspirations of becoming a chef of any sort

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Speaker 1: and being involved in food or is it how did it?

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Speaker 1: Is it innate? Or was did an opportunity present itself?

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Speaker 1: How did it happen?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Just opportunity. Like No, I definitely didn't have any

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Speaker 3: vision of being a chef. I was the fussiest eto

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Speaker 3: when I was a kid, Like I said so much

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Speaker 3: of it, all the different things, I wouldn't eat it.

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Speaker 3: I was very particular. I only ate like certain cereals.

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Speaker 3: Only et veggiemike for breakfast. You know, for most of

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Speaker 3: my meals, I do only have ham, sandwiches, hot chips

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Speaker 3: with chicken salt, or dinner pretty much just have potatoes

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Speaker 3: I definitely had no aspirations to be in any kind

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Speaker 3: fourteen and I I had to work every day after school.

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Speaker 3: My parents owned supermarkets, and I'd work through pretty much

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Speaker 3: every section, and they'd opened a new suit market that

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Speaker 3: my sister was running and it had to install bakery.

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Speaker 3: And then I started going there to work because I

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Speaker 3: was something different, and I started enjoying it. You know.

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Speaker 3: It was that or stacking shelves my two favorite jobs

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Speaker 3: I just put two or two together. I ended up

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Speaker 3: going to Sydney for a school formal for a friend

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Speaker 3: So then that was kind of the start of it all,

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Speaker 4: That I didn't want to take over there their supermarket

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Speaker 4: So that's how it all kicked off.

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Speaker 1: How soon into that apprenticeship did you think I'm good

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Speaker 1: at Well, clearly you're really fucking good at it, right,

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Speaker 1: But how soon did you realize I've got talent for this,

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Speaker 1: I'm good at this because I feel like a lot

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Speaker 1: of people start things and they just kind of endure

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Speaker 1: them rather than enjoy them. You know, it's like, ah,

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Speaker 1: this is a means to an end, this is a

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Speaker 1: way that I can make Gough, did you have an

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Speaker 1: epiphany moment where you went, I actually like this and

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Speaker 1: I'm really fucking good at it, or did you just

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Speaker 1: kind of survive your apprenticeship.

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Speaker 3: Well, six months I knew that was I made a

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Speaker 3: right choice. I had that feeling that it was like,

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Speaker 3: I'm really enjoying this. I love this. It's a good challenge.

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Speaker 3: I'm pushing myself. And then probably i'd say probably a

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Speaker 3: couple of years into it, I'd say that, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: was always competing against other apprentices and you know, trying

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Speaker 3: it was good energy and I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: In the world that I come from originally, which is

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Speaker 1: just working in gyms, you couldn't find two more kind

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Speaker 1: of divergent areas. Like you're making cakes and I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to get people in shape, which we should have set

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Speaker 5: But it's like there were some people that even seems silly,

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Speaker 1: People it's really natural. Like to me it was I

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Speaker 1: don't know, like I'm bad at most things, but I

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Speaker 1: I feel like with I mean, for me, it's like

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Speaker 1: what you do is it's a bit of science, it's

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Speaker 1: a bit of cree activity. Obviously, it's about you've got

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Speaker 1: to make stuff that tastes good. But I feel like

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Speaker 1: that there would be some people who would do it

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Speaker 1: that no matter how hard they work, they might never

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Speaker 1: be great at it. Is that true?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So true. Yeah, I've had I've had so many

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Speaker 3: people come through the kitchens over the years, you know,

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Speaker 3: when I had the business in Sydney and Melbourne, and

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Speaker 3: you know, this is just some people that just they

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Speaker 3: have so much ambition and want to be something and

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Speaker 3: They really don't click with it. They don't have the skill,

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Speaker 3: but you know, you try hard and give them the chance,

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Speaker 3: You have a in a piece one understanding with the

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Speaker 3: food that you're cooking, the taste, the texture, the way

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Speaker 3: massive difference in those those two types of people.

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Speaker 1: I feel like with people that make cakes and pastries

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Speaker 1: and people in your wheelhouse. I could be wrong. This

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Speaker 1: is just I know nothing about this stuff, but for me,

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Speaker 1: it feels like it's a huge amount of it is

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Speaker 1: appearance and presentation and creativity. It's almost like art. Like

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Speaker 1: if you make something that tastes fucking amazing but looks terrible,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to sell, right.

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Speaker 3: It is, Yeah, totally, but it is. It's a fine edge,

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Speaker 3: right because a lot of things these days now, with

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Speaker 3: there are some things I have both, which is amazing.

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Speaker 3: It's an amazing a lot of amazing chefs out there

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Speaker 3: that are really captured both really well these days. But

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Speaker 3: and then when you go and taste or whatever, it

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Speaker 3: that's always got to be number one. It can't look

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Speaker 3: still going to get great, great rewards and people with

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Speaker 3: great memories. But if you can hit both on the head,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you've got a million dollar winter

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Speaker 1: Is there is there a particular dishal, pastry or cake

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Speaker 1: that that typically doesn't look great but tastes amazing, like

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Speaker 1: something that you've made where you've gone you know, this

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Speaker 1: is this is hard to make a beautiful picture for

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Speaker 1: the gram, but it tastes like heaven.

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Speaker 3: I think sometimes I fund if I'm just playing around

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Speaker 3: with flavors and textures, a lot of my stuff don't

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Speaker 3: look great, you know, just like piling on top of

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Speaker 3: each other in a plate and eating it. Right, A

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Speaker 3: lot of it's covered in crumble and little dots of

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Speaker 3: jelly and damn, and you just put it all on

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Speaker 3: top of each other because in hindsight, that's the best

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Speaker 3: way to eat it, you know, when it's all in

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Speaker 3: one one spoon and you can get it all in

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Speaker 3: one here. That's the ultimate dessert eating experience. Yeah, you

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Speaker 3: know when it's all like oh, here's this, and then

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Speaker 3: this is spooned over here, and that's put here, and

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Speaker 3: it looks beautiful on the plate when it comes to

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Speaker 3: your table, but then you've got to like grab this

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Speaker 3: It's definitely the early days. It was early days. He

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00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 3: has like just been guest chefs and that coming in

432
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 3: for a day, you know, throwing down a challenge, you know,

433
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 3: creating a bit of shaking everyone up, creating a little

434
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 3: bit of fear in the in the kitchen and then

435
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 3: going home, so it was easy. You know, it was

436
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 3: a great way to enter the TV scene, and you know,

437
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 3: it built built a great name for myself, made me

438
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 3: pretty much a national name and an international name, so

439
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 3: you know, I owe a lot to that. And then

440
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 3: having my own show and being a more major part

441
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: of the show was good as well. You know, it

442
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 3: was a great experience and you can't falter in a sense,

443
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 3: but like it definitely is what we don't see. It's

444
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: a long day. It's very boring. You know, you're kind

445
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 3: of sitting around most of the day, you know, just

446
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 3: kind of waiting to taste dishes and at the end

447
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 3: of the day. And the hard thing is, I think

448
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 3: for me being more hands on and wanting to be

449
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 3: keep active, sitting around, like I just get I get

450
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 3: really tired, and really it takes all energy out of me.

451
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 3: So like I just want to at least even just

452
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 3: get in there and like give them a ask me

453
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 3: a question, help you know what I mean something like that.

454
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 3: But you know, you're allowed to. So it's a competition

455
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 3: and they have to. They have to, you know, find

456
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 3: their feet themselves and grind it out. But you know,

457
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 3: other than that, it's it's a great experience. It's a

458
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 3: great moment. And I think from what I've found after

459
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: the shows, what you do for their lives is bigger

460
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 3: than anything. So you know, when they come back to

461
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: you and say how you've changed your lives, you know,

462
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 3: just them being on the show and that, which is

463
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: something you don't think about when you start it, but

464
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 3: learning about it after it's Yeah, I think it's a

465
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 3: it's a great feeling.

466
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, amazing. What did I read somewhere that you

467
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: grew up in Italy or you spent I know your parents,

468
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Speaker 1: I know you're born here, but did you go back

469
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Speaker 1: and live in Italy for a while.

470
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Speaker 3: I used to go back every year Italy with my parents.

471
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Speaker 3: My parents come back every year. When I was younger,

472
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Speaker 3: I used to stay there, you know, about six months

473
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 3: at a time, like my mom and my dad would

474
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 3: do things like that. And then and then as I've

475
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: gotten older, you know, we used to go every year

476
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 3: for a month or so. And then you know, throughout

477
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Speaker 3: my late teens and that when I was doing my apprenticeship,

478
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 3: I'd travel to France and Italy just to do some

479
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 3: training and stuff, you know, do courses or stars just

480
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: like work for free in places that I could find, yeah,

481
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 3: you know, just to get more experience, so to better

482
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Speaker 3: my skills, because back when I was coming through my apprenticeship,

483
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 3: food wasn't big in Australia, like in the sense it

484
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 3: was it was here, but I didn't have the presence

485
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 3: it does now. Or you know, there were restaurants and

486
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 3: people went to restaurants, but the masses didn't really I

487
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 3: didn't really see food as they see it now. Yeah,

488
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: pastry shops were very few, you know, there were very

489
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 3: few pastry shops. Most of them were just su stand

490
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Speaker 3: at Aussie Bakery selling cream buns and marine frogs and

491
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 3: all those kind of you know, fun Leavington, old School, Lamington's,

492
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 3: you know, all those things, and you know, and then yeah,

493
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 3: so there wasn't much a rounde so I had to

494
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 3: go looking overseas to get those extra skills that I

495
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 3: kind of was that i'd seen, you know, through books

496
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 3: and stuff like that in my younger years, and that

497
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: was a great experience for me and they helped me

498
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Speaker 3: when I was coming through the ranks at a young

499
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Speaker 3: age to deal bit different and and be a little

500
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Speaker 3: bitead of the game.

501
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Speaker 1: Who's the best in the world Adriano. I mean, maybe

502
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Speaker 1: there's not, but in terms of if you had side,

503
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Speaker 1: there's one one country that does it great. I'm guessing

504
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Speaker 1: at the European country. It's like who does pastries and

505
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: cakes and sweets better maybe than anyone in the world.

506
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Speaker 3: I think everyone has its own sort of like culture

507
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 3: and own sort of presence. But there's probably i'd say

508
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: three or four countries that i'd probably name as the

509
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Speaker 3: top I'd probably say Spain.

510
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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, Spain, Japan, Japan, I would not have I

511
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Speaker 1: don't know why, but I know fuck all, but I

512
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: wouldn't have Japan.

513
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Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, France and then Italy what okay, four countries

514
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Speaker 6: will be on the top list if I was to

515
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Speaker 6: cut it in my vision.

516
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Speaker 3: And this is only my vision. Everyone else is going

517
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Speaker 3: to be different. The top two for me is Spain

518
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: and Japan. Wow, it's Spain at least, just a different

519
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: set of creativity. They're just for me in in ground

520
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: breaking sort of development in pastry. They're ahead of the game,

521
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 3: you know, They've just got a beautiful vision for artistry

522
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 3: and a different mindset on cakes and desserts. I really enjoy.

523
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: They're a little bit more adventurous and then for me,

524
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: Japan you can get a bit of everything. Right, Japan

525
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: has everything that France has because they Japanese love the

526
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 3: French and all the major major pastry shops out of

527
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: France are in Japan because of that. But plus, Japan

528
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 3: has its own pastry culture which is very very unique,

529
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: you know, in a sense, like they have stores where

530
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 3: it's only one product and that's all they sell, or

531
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 3: one fruit. You can go to a shop that just

532
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 3: sell strawberries. Every cake in there's made with strawberries. Yeah,

533
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 3: so there's not many, and they have a lot of

534
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 3: this kind of pastry. So you know, doing a pastry

535
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: tour of Tokyo or you know, Kyoto, any of those

536
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: places and just delving deep into all of it, it's

537
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 3: just amazing, you know, and you get such a great experience.

538
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: Plus all the kitchen they have so many kitchen kind

539
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: of fun things as well that kind of come out

540
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 3: of there that you know, they make their way over

541
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: here a little bit too with all these trends and stuff,

542
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 3: but you know, you get all that kind of fun

543
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 3: stuff as well in Japan, so it's very exciting. But

544
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 3: the Japanese are known for recreating everything even better than

545
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: the people who invented it. So they just have that

546
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 3: mindset and that dedication to do things great. I think

547
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: it's just part of their culture.

548
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: So that's amazing, That's fascinating, is it like in twenty

549
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: twenty four more than ever? You know, there's lots of

550
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: understandably talk about health, wellness, fitness, nutrition, you know, sugar

551
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: fat as you were talking about, is there any and

552
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: I know that pastry and health don't necessarily go together,

553
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: of course, no disrespect, but is there any pressure on

554
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: you people who work in that space to create healthier

555
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: options or is that just like fuck it, we just

556
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: care that it tastes great.

557
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think there's any pressure. I think there's

558
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: I think there's a bunch of like pastry chefs and

559
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: definitely a bunch of companies who sell products kind of

560
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 3: trying to get that message out there to chefs to

561
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 3: use these boats because they make things healthier. There are

562
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: a few chefs trying to create what they're pitching as

563
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: healthier recipes. But I think when someone is the cake,

564
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 3: they ain't looking for health exactly. People, if you're going

565
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 3: to eat a cake, right, I always believe this like

566
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 3: you're going to if you eat sugar and fat, eating moderation.

567
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: You know, the body needs it in a sense right

568
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 3: in some way. Don't overreat it, don't overindulge, don't go stupid.

569
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: Have it as a treat, and that's what we're there for,

570
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: for a beautiful little treat. Now, as a chef myself,

571
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 3: I reduce it not so much totally for the health reason,

572
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: but also for the like I said before, the flavor.

573
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 3: But yes, it has a better health benefit as well

574
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: because I've reduced all that sugar and fat so coming

575
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: into play. I think there's a market there in that

576
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 3: sense where it's better for you. Not so much. I'm

577
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 3: not going to ever say it's healthy because it's you know,

578
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: I don't think any indulgence shouldn't be healthy. I don't think.

579
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 3: And most of the time most of the things that

580
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: I eat or try that are are targeted at health

581
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: or you know, those kinds of things. It tastes okay,

582
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 3: but just don't give you the same result, you know

583
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: what I mean. And I think if you're in you

584
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: might eat it once or twice and okay, fit the

585
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 3: fit the void for a moment. But if you're eating

586
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: that all the time, you get sick of it. So

587
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: I think it's all about moderation. I don't feel there's

588
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 3: a lot of pressure in that sense. I think people

589
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 3: when they want to have a treat, they should have

590
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: a treat and you know, and just balance out their

591
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 3: macros and their diet and you know, just work it

592
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 3: into their schedule. You know. I know heaps of people

593
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 3: that do that. And I see them smash and you know,

594
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: croissants and all those kind of things, and there they look.

595
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: I mean, they're fitter than me. Anyway, mate, I agree

596
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: with you.

597
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: I think the idea of deprivation forever and never having

598
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: a cake or never having something that you love, I

599
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: actually don't think it's a good plan. And I think

600
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: being able to everything in moderation. There is one person

601
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: in this conversation that hasn't spoken much, who may or

602
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: may not be a chocoholic, who may or may not,

603
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 1: who may like sixty percent of a diet, may or

604
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: may not be chocolate other than if other than chocolate,

605
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: and your addiction to chocolate, which is well documented, what's

606
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: your next favorite suite? Like if you had to something

607
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: from a bakery or something that Adriano might make.

608
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: Well, it's anything I'm less. I'm not croissanti or pastry,

609
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: ishe unless it's got n atilla in it?

610
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: Of course. Yeah.

611
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm team chocolate.

612
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: Chocolate a chocolate every day.

613
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go.

614
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: I'm on it. Chocolate. It's good for chocolates, good for

615
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: the mindset, you know what I mean. I think it's

616
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: you know, like I say, with certain sweets and certain things,

617
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: it gives you a certain joint us and it brings

618
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: something For me that brings something right. I mean, I

619
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: eat dark chocolate, so you know, it's kind of like

620
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: has a lot of benefits as well. And you know,

621
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: I think people are going to look at those things.

622
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: So if it brings you a little bit of joy,

623
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: then for me, that's part of a healthy diet, you

624
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like, as long as you don't

625
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 3: over indulge it, there's nothing wrong with it. I agree.

626
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: And I'm really good in all like I'm extra good

627
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: in all the other areas. And I put all my

628
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 2: my indulgence into that, into something that I love the

629
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: very most, and then I get to have it what

630
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: feels like all the time.

631
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: Nice.

632
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: That's, isn't it? Funny when there's something that you love

633
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: of like I eat almost the same dinner every night,

634
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: which is just doesn't matter what it is. But it's like,

635
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: it's just rice, veggies, and there's kind of almost minced

636
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: beef concoction that I have that tastes fucking amazing. Sometimes

637
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: I have chicken, but my dinners are almost the same

638
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: every night. But every night it's like, this is the

639
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: best thing I've ever had. When did this get invented?

640
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: Every night my taste buds are just as excited. It's

641
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: when you love something like tif when you have chocolate,

642
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: if you have it one hundred days in a row,

643
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: on the one hundred and first day, it's not like, oh,

644
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: your receptors have shut down, you don't enjoy it anymore.

645
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: Noah, I love it every day.

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Speaker 1: What's the if I was, which I'm not gonna but

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Speaker 1: if I went, you know what, I'm going to start

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Speaker 1: to try to make a couple of desserts. So I'm

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Speaker 1: going to try to open the door on developing. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure some of our listeners now are thinking, fuck,

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Speaker 1: I want to try and make something, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: great in that space. Yeah, what's something like a getting

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Speaker 1: started Project Adriana, where a sweet or something that people

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Speaker 1: could have a go at that doesn't require your skills.

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Speaker 3: O man, like you know, anything like like a Freni

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Speaker 3: pan tire. You know, it's pretty simple. It's just a

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Speaker 3: tart based almond cream. You know, put some put your

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Speaker 3: favorite fruit in it, and bake it off, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. It's so simple, you know, and almond

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Speaker 3: cream is equal parts pretty much of everything. And then

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you don't want to make tartas tree,

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Speaker 3: you can just buy a short cross out of the

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Speaker 3: freezer and line a cardshell. I mean, there's many simple

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Speaker 3: ways to navigate desserts. You can make a putting, a

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Speaker 3: sticky date pudding, chocolate lava cake. I mean there's so

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Speaker 3: that's there's no skill needed in that, right, It's any

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Speaker 3: skill needed is in the baking.

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Speaker 2: Really, I do love sticky date pudding. I do love

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Speaker 2: sticky date putting.

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Speaker 1: Your eyes just lit up like a Christmas tree when

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Speaker 1: he said sticky date pudding.

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Speaker 3: Shout out.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to tigl Winery that have. When you order

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Speaker 2: a sticky Day pudding, it's actually an enormous slab big

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Speaker 2: enough for people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's crazy table share now.

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Speaker 1: Uh, And I will say that when I was a

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Speaker 1: fat little fucker, probably thirty percent of my diet was cheesecake,

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Speaker 1: which which may which may or may not have had

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Speaker 1: something to do with the state I was in. But

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Speaker 1: I fucking and not not that I don't mind the

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Speaker 1: normal cheesecake, but I love baked cheesecake.

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Speaker 3: Baked cheesecake. Yeah, it's good, Like it's so good, so creamy.

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Speaker 1: Mate, I could I could literally have, I reckon, I

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Speaker 1: could eat three meals a day of cheesecake and nothing

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Speaker 1: else and eventually I'd get sick of it, but I'd

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Speaker 1: give that a good crack for about a month. I

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Speaker 1: love che cheese. That kind of cheesecake to me is

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Speaker 1: almost like a meal because it's quite dense.

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Speaker 3: It's very dense. Yeah, very very dense. Yeah that's good.

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Speaker 1: Well, mate, We appreciate you. We appreciate you. It's been

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Speaker 1: fun getting to know you a little bit and chat

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Speaker 1: to you. Do you what's next on the horizon? Is

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Speaker 1: there anything coming up? Any projects? Any TV stuff for you?

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Speaker 1: Kicking back being a dad and a husband and just

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Speaker 1: fucking life in the hammock at.

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Speaker 3: The moment, a bit of everything, you know, just taking

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Speaker 3: as it comes. But yeah, I'm a master chef. A

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Speaker 3: few episodes of Master Chef this.

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Speaker 7: Season TV wise, a few classes overseas, a few eventsy locally,

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Speaker 7: there's bits and pieces.

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Speaker 3: Really keep doing my I t at the QT hotels,

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Speaker 3: you know, things like that. So just keep that keeps

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Speaker 3: me busy, busy enough and now and flexible, so which

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Speaker 3: is good with the with the baby in that. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: just keep plugging away until something more thought comes, if

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Speaker 3: it does.

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Speaker 1: You know, has parenthood has been a dad mate?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's man, it's good. You know, it's you know,

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Speaker 3: like it's different tiring and it's look, I mean I

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Speaker 3: travel before work, so I can't say overly tiring for

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Speaker 3: me all the time because I'm not not here all

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Speaker 3: the time. But yeah, when I'm here, it's definitely. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a different moment. But you know when when he

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Speaker 3: smiles all the time, actually, you know, it's it's just

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you can't take something away. So it's

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Speaker 3: one of those moments. Yeah, you've got to enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like having a baby is both chaos

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Speaker 1: and therapy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the therapy. That's a good word.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we appreciate you. How do people find you, follow you,

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Speaker 1: connect with you, get involved in some capacity? How do

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Speaker 1: they do that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can follow me on Instagram or Facebook or

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Speaker 3: I'm at the Sweet Assassin or Adrian Zumbo on those

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Speaker 3: all those channels LinkedIn X but I don't really use

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Speaker 3: X anymore. But but all I see yeah, mainly mainly Instagram, TikTok,

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Speaker 3: Facebook LinkedIn. I do have a website, but it's under

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Speaker 3: construction at the moment, so when it comes back on

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Speaker 3: and it's just adronizmore dot com. So other than that,

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Speaker 3: all good man, it's been fun. Yeah, it's been great shading.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. We'll say goodbye off fair back for the moment.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being on the You project.

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Speaker 3: It was nice to meet you, absolutely amazing. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Boom