WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 14 November

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Burray Live. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome a big one, very big one tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, we have got an awful lot to talk about,

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<v Speaker 3>including when the ghost and the bloke and the Pink

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<v Speaker 3>Mansion get together. You know, it's the place Australia doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>want to be. Also sad news, it looks like interest

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<v Speaker 3>rate cut could well be delayed, in part because of

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<v Speaker 3>how many topic.

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<v Speaker 1>Servants that we have.

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<v Speaker 3>And the great Nigel Ferraji joins us to bask in

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<v Speaker 3>the glory of all things Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>There are plenty of things to say about the UK,

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<v Speaker 1>but what about it? What a moment?

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<v Speaker 3>Think about where four years ago Trump flushed from office

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<v Speaker 3>four years ago, not even getting calls from his own

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<v Speaker 3>supporters in the Republican Party. The election that just played out,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, was one where he was going to return

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<v Speaker 3>to the presidency or he would go to prison for

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of his life. Well today he was back

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<v Speaker 3>in the White House ahead of returning on January the twentieth.

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<v Speaker 3>Unbelievable that these two blokes have ripped into each other

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<v Speaker 3>as hard as they have. Well, this is what happened

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<v Speaker 3>when two presidents look at each other in the eye

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<v Speaker 3>in the office that means the most of that country.

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<v Speaker 4>So everything we can make sure you're ac comminating.

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<v Speaker 1>What you need.

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<v Speaker 4>And we're going to get a chance to talk across

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<v Speaker 4>some out today.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good, welcome, welcay no n it's cold. Is not

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<v Speaker 1>that goal for the fire.

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<v Speaker 3>For his part, Donald Trump was rather polite about the

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<v Speaker 3>bloke that he laid into and basically ended his political

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<v Speaker 3>career at the height of the election season.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 5>And politics is tough, and it's many cases not a

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<v Speaker 5>very nice world, but it is a nice world today,

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<v Speaker 5>and they appreciate very much.

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<v Speaker 3>I again the remarkable nature of what happened here, because

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<v Speaker 3>remember what these two blokes have said about each other

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<v Speaker 3>for years and years and years.

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<v Speaker 5>The only garbage I see flowing down there is his supporters.

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<v Speaker 1>His demonization seems unconscionable, and it's on American.

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<v Speaker 5>My supporters are far higher quality than Crooked Joe or

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<v Speaker 5>Layon Kamala.

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<v Speaker 6>Now, I know some of you guys are attempted to

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<v Speaker 6>think as much your guys, I'll tell you what, manute,

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<v Speaker 6>But I'm serious.

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<v Speaker 7>These are the kind of guys you'd like to smack

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<v Speaker 7>an ass.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd always find that articularly weird, but transfer of power important.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a failure of Trump not to do so

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty twenty and Biden well again, for all the

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<v Speaker 3>criticism that many people have had and have included about

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<v Speaker 3>him his presidency, the tone of his presidency, for him

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<v Speaker 3>to extend hand the way that he did was credit

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<v Speaker 3>to his legacy. But I think he might be happy because,

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<v Speaker 3>of course he'll always be able to play out the

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty four election and it choose your own adventure

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<v Speaker 3>fashion that if he had run, he would have won,

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<v Speaker 3>but of course they pushed him out of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Way and Kamala got her come up.

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<v Speaker 3>Which brings us to the Australian ambassador in the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you've heard too much about this in the past

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<v Speaker 3>couple of weeks, but let's be very clear. The reason

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<v Speaker 3>Kevin Rudd is in a world of trouble is because

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<v Speaker 3>he is an absolutely poor fit for the new broom

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<v Speaker 3>that is coming to Washington. The only way that he

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<v Speaker 3>was going to be a long term option was if

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<v Speaker 3>there was a Democratic president that was going to be there. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>remember to Kevin Rudd and Anthony Aberneze's worldview Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 3>was never a chance of winning any election ever, and

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<v Speaker 3>of course we knew that the price of Kevin Rudd

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<v Speaker 3>helping his former deputy prime minister to win the twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty two election was that he would be sent to Washington. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>of course at the time we were told that's definitely

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<v Speaker 3>not happening. But each way, Albow unsurprisingly ended up doing

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<v Speaker 3>the exact opposite of what he had said during a campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>But since Donald Trump became close to the polls and

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<v Speaker 3>let alone has won the presidency in the past week,

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<v Speaker 3>all of the things that Kevin Rudd has said over

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<v Speaker 3>the years about Donald Trump have resurfaced.

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<v Speaker 1>And why wouldn't that.

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<v Speaker 7>Trump at present represents a political liability for both sides

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<v Speaker 7>of Australian politics. This guy is a problem, but the

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<v Speaker 7>underpinnings of it was still incoherent because Trump himself was incoherent.

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<v Speaker 2>The United States in the last four years has been

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<v Speaker 2>run by a village idiot.

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<v Speaker 3>Now again, everyone has the right to have whatever you

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<v Speaker 3>they want about a political leader, but of course there

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<v Speaker 3>are consequences if the job that you want, the job

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<v Speaker 3>that you have is to deal with all types of

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<v Speaker 3>people on the political spectrum, including the people that you

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<v Speaker 3>have well frankly called out, criticized or frankly abused in

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<v Speaker 3>a snobbish fashion like Rudd has over Trump.

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<v Speaker 8>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, when Trump was asked about this by Nigel Farage,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what his position was.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know much about him. I heard he was

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit nasty. He who's not the writer's bulb.

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<v Speaker 5>But I don't know much about him. But if he's

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<v Speaker 5>at all hostile.

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<v Speaker 1>He will not be there long.

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<v Speaker 8>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Today, the uniformity of the political class to suggest that

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<v Speaker 3>because Kevin wants the job, Kevin can have the job,

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<v Speaker 3>and Kevin can have the job for as long as

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<v Speaker 3>Kevin wants the job, because in part the political class

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<v Speaker 3>is excited that there's a form of verbal handcuffs that

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<v Speaker 3>are on him by having to represent the government rather

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<v Speaker 3>than trying to sort of be some shadow prime minister

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<v Speaker 3>or some alternative leader rolling around saying whatever he wants.

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<v Speaker 3>Was broken and was broken by Peter Dutton, who, while

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<v Speaker 3>not calling for a change in the Australian ambassador, obviously

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<v Speaker 3>is in the right place, which is, if we have

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<v Speaker 3>a problem with our chief representative to the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>it is a problem of this government's making because they

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<v Speaker 3>decided to throw him in when, of course there was

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<v Speaker 3>always a fifty to fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>Chance that Trump would come back.

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<v Speaker 8>The ambassador has to have a functional, working relationship with

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<v Speaker 8>the administration, whether that's a Democrat or Republican administration. Of course,

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<v Speaker 8>it's not just mister rh I mean, we're talking about

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<v Speaker 8>mister Albinisi and Senator Wong and others in the Labor

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<v Speaker 8>Party who have seen fit to criticize to criticize President

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<v Speaker 8>elect Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, all of that's not news to you, But what

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<v Speaker 3>is now starting to happen is that apparently the replaying

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<v Speaker 3>of the criticism that Kevin Rudd has offered in multiple

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<v Speaker 3>forums for multiple years about Donald Trump is apparently part

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<v Speaker 3>of some sort of grand conspiracy from the company of

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<v Speaker 3>which owns this television station and thus is my employer,

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<v Speaker 3>And it is being pushed by people who should know better,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're more than happy to play to the narrative.

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<v Speaker 3>Now again, we've seen that one of the things that

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<v Speaker 3>Trump scrambles the circuits of is of the establishment, the

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<v Speaker 3>people who believe that certain things were work in a

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<v Speaker 3>certain way, and that establishment exists in every Western country.

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<v Speaker 1>It exists here too, in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>And while Australia doesn't get referred to as things like

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<v Speaker 3>the swamp or the deep state, there are the people

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<v Speaker 3>that have been around for both sides of politics for

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<v Speaker 3>a long period of time. And Dennis Richardson is a

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<v Speaker 3>person who has played significant roles in national defense, national

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<v Speaker 3>intelligence and has had plenty to say after representing all

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<v Speaker 3>sides of politics and as a significant member of those communities, well,

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<v Speaker 3>he's pushing along this whole idea that to replay the

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<v Speaker 3>comments of Kevin Rudd critical of the incoming president, that

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<v Speaker 3>it's somehow an agenda being set by one news company.

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<v Speaker 3>Because Kevin Rudd is very pointed in his criticisms of

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<v Speaker 3>this news company. He spoke to Michelle Gratton, a person

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<v Speaker 3>who has been around for a very long time in

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<v Speaker 3>the Camber Press Gallery in no surprise, but this is

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<v Speaker 3>what she's spun out today in the New Daily website,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a new site that is paid for by

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<v Speaker 3>union superannuation money. Precisely nothing what Australia should do when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to Kevin Rudd and Donald Trump the funeral

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<v Speaker 3>or over Australia's ambassador to Washington, Kevin is a self

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<v Speaker 3>licking ice cream created by some at Sky News. Former

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<v Speaker 3>Defense chief and former Ambassador of the United States Dennis

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<v Speaker 3>Richardson says. Richardson says, the present controversy around radis quote

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<v Speaker 3>not an issue that arose out of any normal process.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an issue that is being pursued by one

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<v Speaker 1>news outlet.

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<v Speaker 3>What if any diplomat had the record of criticism of

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<v Speaker 3>the government he is about to he or she is

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<v Speaker 3>about to interact with.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a news story.

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<v Speaker 3>Just because it's an inconvenient news story does not mean

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<v Speaker 3>that it is all part of the wider agenda that

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<v Speaker 3>people believe exists. Now again, Kevin Rudd, as a free citizen,

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<v Speaker 3>has every right to say whatever he wants about anything

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<v Speaker 3>that he wants. He can try to say that the

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<v Speaker 3>Australian media doesn't have things like taxpayer funded rates or

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<v Speaker 3>television stations, in fact, two of them. He can pretend

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<v Speaker 3>that when you're adding up who, what and where and

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<v Speaker 3>how many columns and how many minutes and how many signals,

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<v Speaker 3>that the ABC doesn't exist or SBS doesn't exist, or

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<v Speaker 3>that due to the Internet, your capacity to read The

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<v Speaker 3>New York Times, The Washington Post, The Times of India

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<v Speaker 3>or the Sun news, whatever you want to read is

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<v Speaker 3>out there, and that's the news environment that we live

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<v Speaker 3>in today.

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<v Speaker 1>But how is it not a.

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<v Speaker 3>Legitimate, reasonable news story to turn around and say that

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<v Speaker 3>the ambassador of Australia, who has said plenty of nasty

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<v Speaker 3>things about the incoming president of the United States may

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<v Speaker 3>well not get along with the incoming president of the

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<v Speaker 3>United States, who we know odd's a grudge. Now you

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<v Speaker 3>can look at that exclusively from the Trump side, that

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<v Speaker 3>it's Trump who has the problem. And if Trump doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>change the way that he relates to Australia, then that's

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<v Speaker 3>his problem, not our problem. And of course the American

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<v Speaker 3>president shouldn't be able to dictate whom our ambassador is.

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<v Speaker 3>But when governor to make decisions about who represents our country,

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<v Speaker 3>you're supposed to find the best possible fit, and very

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<v Speaker 3>obviously at the moment, Rudd is not that best possible fit.

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<v Speaker 3>But again, while the media talking about the media is

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<v Speaker 3>the single most boring thing for people like yourself who

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<v Speaker 3>are watching the media.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you do have to stand up for yourself. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't say this on the behalf of my company.

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<v Speaker 3>I say this is a fairly common sense person who

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<v Speaker 3>reads all of the media all the day. Who's swum

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<v Speaker 3>in it for an entire career? Again, a little more

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<v Speaker 3>from this story. News Corp has been running hard on

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<v Speaker 3>this story for months. This, by the way, was the

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<v Speaker 3>City Morning Herald and it's editorial today Rudd spoke sense

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<v Speaker 3>about Trump. It's a vengeful news Corp that has the

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<v Speaker 3>explaining to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Again.

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<v Speaker 3>If the City Morning, Let's imagine it was Scott Morrison

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<v Speaker 3>who said a whole bunch of nasty things about the

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<v Speaker 3>Labor Party in the UK, and he was the ambassador

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<v Speaker 3>for Austrated to the UK, it'd be just as legitimate

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<v Speaker 3>a story. But News Corp has been running hard on

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<v Speaker 3>this for months, ramping up the sense of crisis the

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<v Speaker 3>point where it has created one media campaigns can be

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<v Speaker 3>a force for good.

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<v Speaker 1>This one by News Corp is a disgrace. Again, he

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<v Speaker 1>said it multiple times.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyone who has a sentilla of understanding of the way

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<v Speaker 3>American politics works is that one of two sides is

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<v Speaker 3>going to win a presidential election. And four years ago

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't have thought that Donald Trump was returning to

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<v Speaker 3>the presidency, but it became clear two years ago that

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<v Speaker 3>he was nominating for the presidency. It became clear a

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<v Speaker 3>year ago that he was going to win the Republican nomination,

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<v Speaker 3>and now we deal with the reality that he is

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<v Speaker 3>the president of the United States, one who does not

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<v Speaker 3>need to seek re election, and one who will try

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<v Speaker 3>to change his country in his mind, it is supporter's

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<v Speaker 3>mind for the better over the next four years.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Australia is.

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<v Speaker 3>Not going to become some sort of a quasi enemy

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<v Speaker 3>or is going to be put in the naughty corner

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<v Speaker 3>because of Kevin and Run. In fact, the relationship between

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<v Speaker 3>Australia and the United States always exists in spite of

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<v Speaker 3>the president or in this case, in spite of the ambassador.

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<v Speaker 1>But the idea that to point out that a.

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<v Speaker 3>Person who has form of saying a whole collection of

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<v Speaker 3>nasty things about the incoming president of the United States

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<v Speaker 3>may not get along with the President of the United

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<v Speaker 3>States is hardly a media campaign. And the second that

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<v Speaker 3>he decides at whatever time to leave the position of

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<v Speaker 3>ambassador in Washington, I'll tell you the first thing he's

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<v Speaker 3>going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to get.

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<v Speaker 3>Straight back into the campaign that is about a royal

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<v Speaker 3>commission into the very organization that I work for, an

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<v Speaker 3>attempt to somehow shut it down or silence it. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like to know what the four D chess idea

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<v Speaker 3>here is is that the News Corp campaign is to

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<v Speaker 3>get rid of Kevin Rudd so he can come back

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<v Speaker 3>to lead the charge against News Corp as.

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<v Speaker 1>A Royal Commission. Yeah, okay, that's the thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>Now let's get to some big changes happening while everyone

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<v Speaker 3>is distracted by lots of other news, lots of other

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<v Speaker 3>things that are happening, and they are going to be

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<v Speaker 3>big changes to the way our elections work.

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<v Speaker 1>This should be a lead story. It should be a

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<v Speaker 1>big story.

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<v Speaker 3>But because it gets a little bit complicated and there's

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<v Speaker 3>not that much sexy pictures to show you, you probably

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<v Speaker 3>haven't heard about this in the six PM years. Some

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<v Speaker 3>dirty deals are being done amongst the major parties in

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<v Speaker 3>and around Parliament House. Now, as you know, in many

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<v Speaker 3>states around the country, state governments have turned around and

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<v Speaker 3>have changed the way that elections are funded, where the

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<v Speaker 3>political parties get more money from their version of the

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<v Speaker 3>Electoral Commission based on the number of votes that they

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<v Speaker 3>get from you or I at a state or federal election,

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<v Speaker 3>but equally they're created caps on how much money can

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<v Speaker 3>be spent by an individual candidate or an individual party

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<v Speaker 3>in an individual seat. But then of course there are

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<v Speaker 3>the third party or independent groups that are allowed to

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<v Speaker 3>spend the same amount of money. And we see in

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<v Speaker 3>the case of Queensland, in the case of West Australia,

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<v Speaker 3>and in the case of Victoria that the unions, despite

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that they are literally fifty percent of the

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<v Speaker 3>Labor Party. Every Labour MP, state or federal is a

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<v Speaker 3>member of a union, and the unions, according to the

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<v Speaker 3>constitution of the Labor Party, are fifty percent of the organization.

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<v Speaker 3>They picked the candidates, they pick the policies, they pick

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<v Speaker 3>the leaders, but they are under these electoral fiddles referred

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<v Speaker 3>to as independent. So in a place like Queensland, where

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<v Speaker 3>there are dozens of unions, it meant that at any

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<v Speaker 3>one time that the Labor Party was able to outspend

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<v Speaker 3>anyone else on the ballot paper by the best part

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<v Speaker 3>of ten to one. Because you see the independent union

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<v Speaker 3>that is able to spend as much money as the candidate. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>one union, two union, three reunions. You get how big

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<v Speaker 3>the financial advantage becomes. Now, this isn't just something about

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<v Speaker 3>people who want a fair play between Team Red and

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<v Speaker 3>Team Blue. But it also means a massive financial advantage

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<v Speaker 3>is handed firstly to the existing candidate, the existing party,

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<v Speaker 3>and the party who of course ends up with government,

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<v Speaker 3>which means more seats, more votes, has more money than

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<v Speaker 3>their opposition. That's not the way our system should work.

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<v Speaker 3>To have a permanent, taxpayer funded system that is slanted

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<v Speaker 3>so heavily in one direction in favor of the existing MP,

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<v Speaker 3>the existing party, or the existing government, it means that

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<v Speaker 3>minor parties, Independence or Greens are at a significant financial disadvantage.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>An attempt to change this system is underway. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>the federal government has been for months trying to negotiate

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<v Speaker 3>the very fiddle to the system that has been put

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<v Speaker 3>in place in Queensland, in Victoria and in Western Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>And we learn today again via the Sydney Morning Herald

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<v Speaker 3>that Labor and the Coalition have apparently done a deal

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<v Speaker 3>to help fiddle the system when it comes to the

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<v Speaker 3>money going into federal elections. The major Party on the

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<v Speaker 3>cusp of a critical deal to overhaul Australia's election system

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<v Speaker 3>and strip big money from politics, with a plan to

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<v Speaker 3>ward off US style elections dominated by billionaire backers gaining

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<v Speaker 3>in principal agreement from Labor and the Coalition. Now I've

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<v Speaker 3>said this many times before. When they talk about cap

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<v Speaker 3>on spending, what they try to do is try and

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<v Speaker 3>tell you that it's all about.

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<v Speaker 1>Clive Palmer, the client.

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<v Speaker 3>Palmer using his own money should be limited about how

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<v Speaker 3>much money he can spend in advocacy of his candidates.

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<v Speaker 3>You see in twenty nineteen when the message was very

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<v Speaker 3>clear against Bill Shorten, that message and then Preferences ended

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<v Speaker 3>up re electing the Liberal Party when the message was

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<v Speaker 3>put them all last. Well, we all know what happened

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<v Speaker 3>to the twenty twenty two election. But that's Clive's right

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<v Speaker 3>as a citizen to use his own money in service

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<v Speaker 3>of a political party that yes, he'd get somebody elected,

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<v Speaker 3>Ralph Babbitt to the Senate via Victoria. But you see,

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<v Speaker 3>the other billionaire they never really talk about with this

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<v Speaker 3>stuff is the one whose money helped win way more seats,

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<v Speaker 3>and that Simon Holmes a court. Now, he, of course

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<v Speaker 3>who the Climate two hundred group is able to hand

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<v Speaker 3>so called independence despite the fact they all believe the

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<v Speaker 3>same things, say the same thing, market themselves the same

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<v Speaker 3>You get the point, and they're able to have a

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<v Speaker 3>money advantage to start a campaign, to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>always go after conservative members of the Liberal Party. They

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<v Speaker 3>don't have any track record of running against people in

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<v Speaker 3>the Labor Party. So Clive Palmer bad billionaire, Simon Holmes

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<v Speaker 3>a court good billionaire. Yeah, okay, so let's explain how

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<v Speaker 3>this system is going to work. According to The Sidney

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<v Speaker 3>Morning Herald, The Age, the Brisbane Times or They reported

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<v Speaker 3>in August that elements of the draft legislation being considered

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<v Speaker 3>include a cap on the amount of money that a

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<v Speaker 3>candidate is likely to receive. It is also expected to

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<v Speaker 3>include a limit on how much a party can spend. Surprise, surprise,

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<v Speaker 3>that we talked about here. But here's the devil in

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<v Speaker 3>the detail. Despite the fact that apparently this is an

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<v Speaker 3>urgent need to change our political system, the rules will

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<v Speaker 3>not apply for the upcoming federal election. They will apply

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<v Speaker 3>to the election after that, and of course what happens

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<v Speaker 3>between the next election and the election after that. While

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<v Speaker 3>all of this legislation could be completely drawn up again,

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<v Speaker 3>meaning it's all about making it look like they're changing

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<v Speaker 3>the system, then actually changing the system. And why would

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<v Speaker 3>they only want to look like they were changing the system,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's pretty obvious that if the polls are correct,

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<v Speaker 3>we are headed towards a minority government, meaning that either

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<v Speaker 3>the Labor Party or in the best case scenario, the

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<v Speaker 3>Liberal Party get themselves into a position where they need

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<v Speaker 3>somebody else on the crossbench to be able to give

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<v Speaker 3>them the support to form a government.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, of course, those people are the.

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<v Speaker 3>Ones, particularly the Teals, directly affected by change in caps.

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<v Speaker 3>They are the people if it happens to be another

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<v Speaker 3>United Australian Party MP like Clive was elected to the

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<v Speaker 3>Lower House who would be affected by the caps. So

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<v Speaker 3>beware what looks like a solution to a problem that

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<v Speaker 3>isn't really a big problem in Australian politics. And what

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<v Speaker 3>do you think if there was a minority Labor government

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<v Speaker 3>propped up by the Teals, do you think that the

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<v Speaker 3>changes that had passed the Parliament for the not this

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<v Speaker 3>election but the one after would stand or would they

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<v Speaker 3>magically melt away? Meaning of course the Teals would end

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<v Speaker 3>up with a system where the Liberal Party or the Greens,

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<v Speaker 3>or One Nation or the Victorian Socialists or the United

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<v Speaker 3>Australian Party is in a position where there's a limit

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<v Speaker 3>on how much can be spent at any one time

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<v Speaker 3>in any one's seat, apart from.

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<v Speaker 1>Independent groups like the Unions.

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<v Speaker 3>But of course what may will end up turning up

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<v Speaker 3>here is a scenario where they will end up making

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<v Speaker 3>a scenario where the Liberal Party, if in opposition, would

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<v Speaker 3>have less money than the Labor Party, who would have

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<v Speaker 3>greater ability to have so called independent supporters flooding the market.

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<v Speaker 3>They would of course find a way to say they

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<v Speaker 3>run backsides while doing in the Liberal Party. That of

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<v Speaker 3>course would be bad for democracy, but you're not allowed

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<v Speaker 3>to say that. It's only lefties who get to say

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<v Speaker 3>democracy is a threat all day every day. Got some

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<v Speaker 3>bad news if you, like me, are part of the

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<v Speaker 3>third of the country that's trying to pay off a house.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we learn today that, of course the Preserve Bank

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<v Speaker 3>due to meet in the next little while. The expectations

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<v Speaker 3>were that if there was to be a rate cut,

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<v Speaker 3>it could happen as early as February. Now this is

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<v Speaker 3>not going to be massive because this this been twelve

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<v Speaker 3>interestrate rise. As it doesn't matter if they take it

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<v Speaker 3>down by a quarter of a percent or even half

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<v Speaker 3>of a percent, it'd be nice, but it's not going

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<v Speaker 3>to change the financial position of many in most Australians

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<v Speaker 3>who've had to find literally tens of thousands of dollars

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<v Speaker 3>extra since this mob came to government to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Able to pay off the House.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the expectations were that February would be when that

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<v Speaker 3>was going to take place, But get ready for that

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<v Speaker 3>expectation to now start to move down the road. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>by their own admission, the people who are desperately finding

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<v Speaker 3>ways for this government to get re elected as a

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<v Speaker 3>majority or as a Teal and Green assisted minority, will

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<v Speaker 3>they say that Anthony Aberaneze it needs interest rates to fall.

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<v Speaker 3>If they don't his re election and chances certainly will.

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<v Speaker 3>So it is with some interest today that the Financial

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<v Speaker 3>Review writes a piece saying interest rates could be on

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<v Speaker 3>hold for all of twenty twenty five. So slight relief

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<v Speaker 3>maybe at the start of twenty twenty five could well

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<v Speaker 3>be pushed off deep into.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty twenty five. The best case scenario right now is.

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<v Speaker 3>That, according to the National Australian Bank, they believe that

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<v Speaker 3>we are now looking at potentially the first of interest

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<v Speaker 3>rate cuts to happen in May, right on top of

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<v Speaker 3>a federal election.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course my suggestion would be that after twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>Interest rate rises. If we go back to the eleventh

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<v Speaker 3>of the interestrate rise, Australians will not be clicking their

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<v Speaker 3>heels with lee because they still will have been dealing

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<v Speaker 3>with the pain of the past couple of years, and

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<v Speaker 3>they will be punishing a government who remember, we drew

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen hundred dollars from ten mini Australians at a time

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<v Speaker 3>when they could least afford it. There's also this information

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<v Speaker 3>about why the Reserve Bank may will be holding off

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<v Speaker 3>from Channel nine tonight. And remember this is the same

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<v Speaker 3>bloke who said mission accomplished a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 3>when the government, of course was falsely and fiddling with

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<v Speaker 3>the inflation figures as a result of their power rebate scheme.

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<v Speaker 9>Number of jobs in our economy is still rising, which

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<v Speaker 9>is good, but that might cost us interest rate cuts.

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<v Speaker 9>The unemployment rate remains steady in October at four point

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<v Speaker 9>one percent with fifteen nine hundred new jobs created, and

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<v Speaker 9>the RBA's most reason forecast points to four and a

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<v Speaker 9>half percent by the end of next year, so according

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<v Speaker 9>to them, it's still too low right now, and between us,

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<v Speaker 9>the experts are getting less and less confident the Central

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<v Speaker 9>Bank will lower interest rates next year. This shows what

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<v Speaker 9>the market was expecting. At the start of October, almost

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<v Speaker 9>four rate cuts were being factored in for next year,

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<v Speaker 9>but by late October there were two cups expected. Now

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<v Speaker 9>one is being priced in. A big part of the

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<v Speaker 9>reason for that is because the labor market is staying

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<v Speaker 9>so tight. Basically, it seems we'll need to see a

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<v Speaker 9>lot more people lose their jobs before interest rates start

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<v Speaker 9>falling either way.

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<v Speaker 3>A will of pay for a government that deserves to

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<v Speaker 3>feel it, because we've been feeling it for way too long.

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<v Speaker 3>Another thing that's playing out as we speak, which is

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<v Speaker 3>in the next couple of weeks when Parliament comes back,

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<v Speaker 3>the government is going to try to censor the Internet.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't fall for the Misinformation Bill. It's about censoring the Internet.

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<v Speaker 3>And while the Internet is a world away from where

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<v Speaker 3>it was in the early days in the nine nineties

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<v Speaker 3>and the early two thousands of a wild West where

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<v Speaker 3>you could pretty much say whatever you want wherever you want,

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<v Speaker 3>big companies have rolled in and taken over large swathes

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<v Speaker 3>of Internet land, no question about it. But the Prime

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<v Speaker 3>Minister and is Communication Minister have been trying to find

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<v Speaker 3>a way to plug the information hole now they believe

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<v Speaker 3>it's about lies and disinformation.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reality is, of.

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<v Speaker 3>Course, as we just saw in the United States, that

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<v Speaker 3>as soon as you start to step out of the

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<v Speaker 3>old school media into the new school media, then the

0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:12.359
<v Speaker 3>population can't be what was the word that Hillary said,

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<v Speaker 3>oh controlled, that's right, and there of course has been

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<v Speaker 3>an explosion in the amount of information that people are

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<v Speaker 3>able to get via the Internet. Literally, Sky News now

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<v Speaker 3>has five million YouTube subscribers. Congratulations to Tim Jack and

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<v Speaker 3>all of our digital team who have worked their absolute

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<v Speaker 3>backsides off. But I will make it very clear that

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<v Speaker 3>is frightening to those in the federal government who believe

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<v Speaker 3>that organizations like ours that challenge all day every day

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<v Speaker 3>what they do is that this is a space they

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<v Speaker 3>don't control. The Internet is of course something that is global.

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<v Speaker 3>So there are these attempts to so called sense of

0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:55.840
<v Speaker 3>the Internet where they turn around and they would find

0:24:55.880 --> 0:25:00.639
<v Speaker 3>social media companies if you decided to post a to

0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:05.440
<v Speaker 3>information that someone somewhere decided was misinformation, now how would

0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:07.479
<v Speaker 3>they decide what the truth is? Well, of course far

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:11.000
<v Speaker 3>left wing think tank would turn around and rule at

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<v Speaker 3>something that I said was misinformation, despite the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>in every editorial every time I show you the data

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<v Speaker 3>before throwing on the opinion on top of it. Right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>the bricks are the data. The opinion is the mortar

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<v Speaker 3>that holds the wall together. But these left wing groups

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<v Speaker 3>they turn around and say, well, according to this report

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<v Speaker 3>and that report, and this report, and this guy and

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<v Speaker 3>this guy and this expert and this person who's always.

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<v Speaker 1>Disagreed that what you've just seen is clearly misinformation.

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<v Speaker 3>And then they fact checkers would then go off to

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<v Speaker 3>the broadcasting authority, which has turned around and said some

0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 3>of the nastiest things about pretty popular radio.

0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Programs like Colin Jack Yoda should be taken.

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<v Speaker 2>Off the air, cheered on by the media watch class.

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<v Speaker 3>You get the point here, right, What this really is

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<v Speaker 3>about is not about saving you from all world of lies.

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<v Speaker 3>There's already a whole series of legislation that we adhere

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<v Speaker 3>to hear about defamation, that we adhere to about all

0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:13.159
<v Speaker 3>sorts of different broadcasting standards. But it's the idea that

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<v Speaker 3>the government does not want information that it does not

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:20.280
<v Speaker 3>approve to be able to spread like wildfire, because of

0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:23.880
<v Speaker 3>course that means they're not able to hold onto their control. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>next week is when this will actually start to move

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<v Speaker 3>to its final phase. We will learn whether they can

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<v Speaker 3>censor the Internet in the country or whether there are

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<v Speaker 3>some politicians left who do believe in free speech. The

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<v Speaker 3>Senate will finally vote on this legislation before the end

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:44.000
<v Speaker 3>of the year, and the maths is starting to get

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<v Speaker 3>tight for the government. And normally they would have a

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<v Speaker 3>pretty easy passage of legislation because you need thirty nine

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<v Speaker 3>votes to pass a law. You'd have the Labour Party

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<v Speaker 3>voting together with the Greens, that gets you thirty six

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<v Speaker 3>and you only need three other votes to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to get it over the line. Now, obviously with one nation,

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<v Speaker 3>with a series of other former Liberal or National MPs

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<v Speaker 3>saying no that a're now sitting on the cross benches,

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<v Speaker 3>and of course the United Australian Party, then we are

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<v Speaker 3>down to just one, two, three, four, five potential places

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:20.680
<v Speaker 3>they can get a vote. Pocock, lamby Thorpe, Tyrrell and

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<v Speaker 3>payment well in the past twenty four hours or so.

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.239
<v Speaker 3>As I told you last night, you can strike one

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<v Speaker 3>name off the list, and that is David Pocock. He

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 3>will not be voting for the legislation. You can strike

0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:35.320
<v Speaker 3>another name off Tammy Tyrell. She will not be voting

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<v Speaker 3>for the legislation that leaves specifically three left. So if

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<v Speaker 3>Lamby or Thorpe or Payment decided to vote against it,

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<v Speaker 3>then the bill will die for those three senators. Don't

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 3>pay attention to me, pay attention to other people, including

0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 3>experts and legal experts, have referred to this is a

0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 3>deeply flawed piece of legislation. Also look forward to the

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<v Speaker 3>ABC saying that the early days of the pandemic explodes

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 3>the flaw in the government's misinformation laws, say legal experts,

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:14.119
<v Speaker 3>who decides what's true, the gaping hole in the misinformation laws.

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:19.120
<v Speaker 3>The conversation how the federal government's misinformation bill might impede

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:20.359
<v Speaker 3>freedom of speech.

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<v Speaker 1>That is what is before you.

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<v Speaker 3>There are already laws in this country that are enforced

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<v Speaker 3>daily about deformation, meaning you can't tell lies about people

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:36.399
<v Speaker 3>on television or radio, and that would extend to the

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 3>internet versions of what content is made here on television

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 3>or if you're listening via Sky News radio. There's also

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 3>a whole series of codes that exist about misinformation already.

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 3>The idea that now into the social media world, we

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<v Speaker 3>would introduce these new ways of shutting down debate, well,

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<v Speaker 3>it works for the far left as it does for

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<v Speaker 3>the far right, It works for the center left as

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 3>it does for the center right. It works for the

0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 3>center as it does for the polar opposites. Government should

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 3>not decide what truth is data, information, and experience.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you can show the working in your argument,

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<v Speaker 1>then your argument should be allowed to be heard.

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:24.840
<v Speaker 3>If you disagree with it, then you are free to

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<v Speaker 3>use information, data and your way of arguing against it.

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 3>But the idea of shutting it down before it even

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<v Speaker 3>gets off first base to a point where essentially the

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 3>social media companies can't be bothered posting the content from

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 3>insert media provider because they can't be bothered for filling

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 3>out the paperwork. Well, that is of course the desired effect,

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 3>the chilling effect, and that is not something that anyone

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:52.600
<v Speaker 3>in the Australian media should be cheering on.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all. But wait, watch and see.

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<v Speaker 3>Next week is when we will find out exactly what

0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 3>side those senators are on. Upgrade Albo, what about this

0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 3>for a new poll showing that, surprise, surprise, Australians don't

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 3>like the idea that people use their position of power

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:12.360
<v Speaker 3>to get themselves an upgrade on a flight pole question,

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:16.680
<v Speaker 3>here was about Anthony Albersi. Thirty percent of people say sure,

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 3>he can get upgraded whenever he wants. Thirty five percent

0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 3>said that he shouldn't be getting them for personal flights.

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:25.760
<v Speaker 3>Twenty four percent said that he shouldn't be getting them

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:29.080
<v Speaker 3>for work or personal flights. The same when it comes

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<v Speaker 3>to overall members and their ability to get flights here

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 3>where what the best part of Fifty one percent of

0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 3>people say they should be banned outright or certainly banned

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 3>for personal flights. And as for the membership for thirty

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:47.120
<v Speaker 3>nine percent of people say absolutely no, they should refuse

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 3>the land's memberships. Forty five percent of people say fair enough,

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 3>and presumably the rest said I've got something else.

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 1>To talk about. Can I talk about that please?

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<v Speaker 3>And finally, le's talk here about pollution, Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 3>climate change, and let's talk about China demanding money from us.

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 3>China is the biggest polluter in the world. Don't trust me,

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 3>trust the information, trust the data, the bricks. As I

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 3>add the mortar to the argument of the wall here,

0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 3>thirty three percent of global carbon emissions come from China.

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 3>Then it's India, then it's the United States, then it's Russia,

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 3>then it's Indonesia, then it's Brazil, then it's the EU,

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 3>then it's Japan, then it's South Korea, and we are

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<v Speaker 3>one percent of the thirteen percent of the rest of

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 3>it that are called others. China says that the western world,

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<v Speaker 3>including Australia, should give countries like them one point eight

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 3>t four trillion dollars, not once, but every year, and

0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 3>this should be the amount of money that the first

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<v Speaker 3>world pays to the third world for them to.

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Be able to deal with climate change.

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<v Speaker 3>China has led the call for developed countries including Australia,

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<v Speaker 3>to provide one point three or one point eight trillion

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<v Speaker 3>dollars in Australia each and every year. The Climate Change

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 3>Minister is on his way to these negotiations to work

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<v Speaker 3>out exactly how much money is going to be put before.

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<v Speaker 1>All of this. But what sticks in microwel here is

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest polluter in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>China has the balls to turn around and demand it

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<v Speaker 3>from the rest of the world that they need money

0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 3>to produce less pollution because they are a developing nation. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>of course they are a self defined developing nation. But

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to think about how many small African countries.

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<v Speaker 3>How many of the poorest parts of Asia that are

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<v Speaker 3>truly developing countries have the type of wealth that China has.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>China, of course, don't forget, has a space station. It

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<v Speaker 3>has a space station and a space program that, by

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 3>the way, is about trying to work out how to

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<v Speaker 3>set up a moon base. They don't even just have

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<v Speaker 3>a space station. They're trying to come up with a

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<v Speaker 3>new shuttle that will work like a taxi service to

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<v Speaker 3>go to and from China to space. This so called

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<v Speaker 3>developing country that wants its slice of one point eight

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:11.280
<v Speaker 3>trillion dollars has held not one, but two Olympic Games

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<v Speaker 3>this century. That is not a developing country. That is

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<v Speaker 3>a first world country that intentionally keeps parts of its

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<v Speaker 3>population in poverty or in slave labor so it can

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 3>turn around and fiddle the global system. Australia needs to

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:31.440
<v Speaker 3>do its bit, but Australia is one percent of the

0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 3>world's problem. The idea that the one percent of the

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<v Speaker 3>world's problem has to send money to the one producing

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 3>thirty three percent of the world's problem is a disgrace.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll discuss that and a whole lot more than a

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<v Speaker 3>moment or two is time here on Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 3>Glad you're watching us this Thursday night. Niger Faraj standing

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<v Speaker 3>by and a crack of jackpanel next da go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for watching. I can't believe it and do this too.

0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Last night I got very caught up in everything and

0:33:58.920 --> 0:33:59.240
<v Speaker 1>I was a.

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:03.120
<v Speaker 3>Little bit jet late Zadi's birthday yesterday, a beautiful little

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 3>girl turned seven. It's my little rock star. She's awesome.

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 3>We will of course celebrate it over the weekend. But

0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:09.600
<v Speaker 3>thank you to all of you wherever we go with

0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 3>our tan. So it's how the kids, how those Ash

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:13.839
<v Speaker 3>and Zadi are awesome. They are great and they are

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 3>certainly looking forward to a fun summer with mum, dad

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:18.279
<v Speaker 3>and their mates. All right, let's get into this right

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 3>now with people who love their families as well, none

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:23.279
<v Speaker 3>other than Caroline Marcus and of course Michael Kroger love

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:23.839
<v Speaker 3>you both, guys.

0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Let's get straight to it.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Michael, let's explain the logic here.

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 3>The four D Chess apparently is that News Corp is

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<v Speaker 3>going after Kevin Rudd to blast him out of the

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 3>job in Washington so we can come back to lead

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:39.960
<v Speaker 3>the call for the Royal Commission into News Corp. Now

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<v Speaker 3>let's be really clear, right, Let's now take this again

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 3>away from some of the news some of the media garbage.

0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Right, Rudd said this stuff about Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, If you're a professional diplomat or somebody wanting to

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<v Speaker 3>be a diplomat, then one of the reasons why we

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:55.840
<v Speaker 3>sometimes get frustrated with politicians is there a little bit

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:57.759
<v Speaker 3>beige and they're a little bit fifty to fifty. Right,

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:00.279
<v Speaker 3>But when you want to be a partisan, or you

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 3>want to be somebody who's going to take pretty strong criticism,

0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:06.360
<v Speaker 3>then you can't be expecting to put your hand up

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 3>to be a job to end up having a deal

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:14.000
<v Speaker 3>with in this case, Trump's America. How I mean again,

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<v Speaker 3>I just what's your reaction to the scenario that Rudd

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<v Speaker 3>has put himself in and the people who were pretending

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 3>that there's some sort of media game when any other organization,

0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:27.320
<v Speaker 3>as if the ABC wouldn't play the comments of Scott

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Morrison about insert country that he was being sent to.

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<v Speaker 6>Mate. Everyone in the Labor Party told Anthony Albernis, not

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 6>for point Rudd, Penny Wong told him. Other people around

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:42.840
<v Speaker 6>him said, did not appoint this guy. It was a

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 6>captain's pick. And he appointed him, and this is what's happened.

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<v Speaker 6>Not all the comments that he was known to have

0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 6>made before he was appointed were known. The one that

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<v Speaker 6>Shari marks and produced the other night of him calling

0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 6>him the village idiot, and a couple of others. No

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 6>one had seen that before, and I'm sure there are

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<v Speaker 6>others that out there too. So to say this is

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<v Speaker 6>some kind of media conspiracy, and the Sydney Morning Herald,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I'm really disappointed their editorial. So that's a

0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:13.960
<v Speaker 6>news limited conspiracy, as if people made up these quotes.

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<v Speaker 1>You correct.

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<v Speaker 6>This is all this guy's own work. It's his own work.

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<v Speaker 6>It's his own work. And to suggest that there's some

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<v Speaker 6>kind of plot or conspiracy against this guy for just

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<v Speaker 6>publicizing his own work, I'll tell you where we are today, mate,

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:31.880
<v Speaker 6>I'll tell you where we are today. This country is

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<v Speaker 6>now in a position we're our prime minister. And by

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 6>the way, for all those people criticizing Dutton, Morrison, Abbott,

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:45.759
<v Speaker 6>Hockey and Birmingham for supporting Rudd, don't criticize him. There's

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 6>thing called Australia first. So when an Australian ambassador representative

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 6>is overseas, it's an unwritten rule amongst all the parties,

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 6>you always support that person. So that's why the Liberal

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 6>Party at a federal level have come behind, not because

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:03.440
<v Speaker 6>any of them think he should stay. I don't think,

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:06.120
<v Speaker 6>but because that's the way this game works. You support

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:09.319
<v Speaker 6>Team Australia overseas. But we're now in under a third position. Mate,

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 6>we're Albanezi, who's going to be in South America and says,

0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 6>oh Mari Laga is not on the route. It's eight

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:19.239
<v Speaker 6>hours from where he's going to Florida. He cannot go

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:23.919
<v Speaker 6>and visit Trump. Why why can't he go and visit Trump?

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 6>Because the protocol is you take your ambassador with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Good point, really, good point?

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 10>No, no, excellent?

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I love this is it? Carolina?

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 10>And that's.

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 1>That's all right. I'll jump back in here.

0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Se delay there to Adelaide, Radelaide.

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Doing it best.

0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Good to know you're there for the supercars by the way,

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:47.320
<v Speaker 3>go and watch the boom brooms going around this weekend

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 3>championship decider.

0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:51.840
<v Speaker 1>But again, Caroline, about run.

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 3>The look if he stays, if they decide to stick

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:56.960
<v Speaker 3>in there and find him fair enough, the idea that

0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 3>the stuff that he has said is not a story

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:00.840
<v Speaker 3>is just rubbish.

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<v Speaker 11>It's a classic case of shoot the messenger. And as

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:08.120
<v Speaker 11>if these journalists wouldn't have reported it if they had

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 11>got it first, or maybe they wouldn't because there is

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 11>a political agenda there for people who work as well

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:16.279
<v Speaker 11>at the nine newspapers. Let's admit it. As you said,

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:18.759
<v Speaker 11>if it was Scott Morrison or someone on the side

0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 11>that they dislike, then it would very much be a

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:24.839
<v Speaker 11>front page story. What are we supposed to do cover

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 11>up his past comments, pretend they don't matter. I mean,

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:31.399
<v Speaker 11>even Kevin Rudd deleted his tweets so he can see

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:32.239
<v Speaker 11>they matter.

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 3>But also it's this thing where and again, you know,

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 3>just because it happened in America a couple a week

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:39.440
<v Speaker 3>ago doesn't mean everything's the same here in Australia, right,

0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 3>But one of the absolute lessons right was that the

0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:45.680
<v Speaker 3>media ecosystem ain't what it was two years ago, five.

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Years ago, ten years ago. And the idea that the

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 1>idea that oh, there's no.

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 3>One in the world who could possibly turn around and

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 3>see what the problem is, it's just ridiculous, all right.

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:58.280
<v Speaker 3>What do you think about China, Michael and this idea

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:00.319
<v Speaker 3>that I'll wear a self declared devilop, big.

0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 2>Nation with a space station, with two Olympics.

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:05.759
<v Speaker 3>Oh but you know we deserve a crack at one

0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 3>point eight trillion dollars a year when they are polluting

0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:13.000
<v Speaker 3>the world thirty three times more than Australia.

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 2>And Bowen's already signed up to this garbage.

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<v Speaker 6>Look, I mean we see this at every one of

0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 6>the international conferences. There's there's pressure on the West for

0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 6>more contributions, reparations, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, this

0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 6>is an old card three card trick that we see

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 6>played at so many of these international conferences, whether it's

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 6>the Pacific Island Forum, et cetera, cetera. The West that

0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:40.840
<v Speaker 6>developed Western countries are always being asked to pay reparations, contributions, whatever,

0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:44.279
<v Speaker 6>and the Chinese to say they're developing countries, so of

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 6>course the one point eight trillion they don't have to contribute.

0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 6>Oh please, we've seen this playbook before, and for Bowen

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.560
<v Speaker 6>to sign up to it, well, Chris, how much you

0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:59.760
<v Speaker 6>how much Chris are we contributing? Perhaps he could announce

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 6>at that conference how much the Australian taxpayer is contributing.

0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 6>And the more they contribute, the more seats are boys

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 6>going to lose?

0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:06.839
<v Speaker 1>Mate?

0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:10.080
<v Speaker 3>Well, and don't forget these idiots want to host one

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 3>of these conferences here.

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:11.920
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what.

0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:15.520
<v Speaker 3>When interest rates are where they are, where inflation is

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:18.160
<v Speaker 3>where it is, when potential job losses are where they are,

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 3>the idea that this government yet again is going to

0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:24.399
<v Speaker 3>show what its priority is is going to go down

0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 3>like the proverbial lead balloon Caroline you're reporting.

0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 1>On are and also at scotties dot com dot he.

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<v Speaker 3>Was both mentioning specifically here it's not in primetime, which

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:34.320
<v Speaker 3>is about barbershop in southwest Sydney.

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<v Speaker 1>What have they done? What have you found?

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<v Speaker 11>Well, let's not implicate the whole barbershop, but the owner

0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:42.560
<v Speaker 11>of the barbershop, zax Or. He's a gentleman who's been

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:49.160
<v Speaker 11>posting prolifically some really disturbing staff, glorifying the leaders of

0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 11>Haslah and Hamas and talking about jihad being the greatest deed.

0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:59.400
<v Speaker 11>He is under police investigation for these posts, which include

0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:02.840
<v Speaker 11>two video which appear to be taken from a site

0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:06.760
<v Speaker 11>in South Lebanon that has the Hesbela logo and military

0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 11>weapons military uniforms in it. I confronted him at the

0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:13.640
<v Speaker 11>barber shop that he owns, and he claimed that he

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:17.279
<v Speaker 11>has no regrets over this, that police have visited him

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:20.279
<v Speaker 11>and had a friendly chat with him, That's how he

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:23.359
<v Speaker 11>described it. He doesn't think he's in any trouble. That's

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 11>the impression he says he's got from police officers. And

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:28.360
<v Speaker 11>I guess that's the most disturbing thing. I mean, this

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 11>is one guy, and he's certainly not an isolated case.

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:34.760
<v Speaker 11>There are plenty, as we've seen on the streets holding

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 11>HESBELA flags who are really thumbing their nose at authorities

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:44.040
<v Speaker 11>because we introduced laws back in January that the display

0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:48.400
<v Speaker 11>of terror symbols are prohibited. But where has any of

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:50.439
<v Speaker 11>them have any of the prosecutions Meet Paul.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't regret any of that, because at the end

0:41:56.719 --> 0:42:00.440
<v Speaker 4>of the day, I'm not saying I'm a did with

0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:02.719
<v Speaker 4>anything but the day, those are the people who are

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 4>standing up for innocent children being bombed and killed. I

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 4>know for a fact that these associations aren't terror's goods.

0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 11>I'm glad he knows that our government's got it wrong,

0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:14.359
<v Speaker 11>apparently by prescribing them as such.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, now, Michael, you're a money man, so I've

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:19.319
<v Speaker 3>got to ask you this question, or at least you're

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 3>aware of money, right, you know that you know how

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:25.360
<v Speaker 3>things move bitcoin Now, when I was recently in the States,

0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 3>yes it was a casino, Yes it was Las Vegas.

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:30.399
<v Speaker 1>There was like there was a bitcoin eighty m right.

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:32.440
<v Speaker 1>And bitcoin is.

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<v Speaker 3>Something that certainly a lot of people think, you know,

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 3>is going to rise as an alternative currency under the

0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 3>Trump administration.

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.359
<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk, you know, being not so subtle.

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:44.719
<v Speaker 3>About that with his reference to doge as the organization

0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 3>he's going to be leading to have a look at

0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:49.680
<v Speaker 3>the line by line through the federal budget today. Interestingly,

0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:51.960
<v Speaker 3>the head of the Reserve Bank says, this is garbage.

0:42:52.000 --> 0:42:53.520
<v Speaker 3>It's not real money, it's not in real money, and

0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:55.640
<v Speaker 3>it's not going to be accepted here. Your thoughts on

0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 3>whether we'll have to accept bitcoin as a way of

0:42:58.440 --> 0:42:59.360
<v Speaker 3>paying for things.

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<v Speaker 6>Here, Well, the great news is this, Not only did

0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:05.840
<v Speaker 6>Michelle Bullet, the head of Reserve Bank, say what you

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:08.240
<v Speaker 6>said she said, but she said something else, very profound.

0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:13.040
<v Speaker 6>She said she didn't understand bitcoin. So for all those

0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 6>people at home who've got no idea what it is,

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:18.120
<v Speaker 6>you are in the same boat as Michelle Bullock, who's

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:20.280
<v Speaker 6>been in the treasure, but in treasure in the financial

0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 6>markets for thirty years. So I'm in that boat too.

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:26.719
<v Speaker 6>Here's the simple here's the simple truth of the thing.

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:32.759
<v Speaker 6>Central banks issue currency. Our currency is issued by the

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 6>Reserve Bank. It's not issued by the local butcher shop,

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:40.440
<v Speaker 6>the barbershop, the car dealer or anyone else. It's issued

0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:44.279
<v Speaker 6>by central banks. And this was a point made to

0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:46.200
<v Speaker 6>me years ago by the Great Henry Ergast from the

0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:49.080
<v Speaker 6>Australian who made that simple point when I was asking

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:51.720
<v Speaker 6>him about bitcoin, and he said he didn't particularly understand

0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:55.960
<v Speaker 6>it either, because anyone could then issue money if it

0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 6>wasn't through a central bank. So comfort yourself in the

0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 6>knoll that if Michelle Bullock and the Reserve and the

0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:05.680
<v Speaker 6>Treasury don't issue, Treasury don't issue money, then it's really

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:07.839
<v Speaker 6>got no value. It's an asset class that a lot

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:10.440
<v Speaker 6>of people believe in and think's got value. Good on

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 6>them if they want to pay eighty thousand US dollars

0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 6>for a bit of bitcoin, good on them. But it's

0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 6>not a tradeable asset class of any great certainty. You

0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 6>can barter with it in the same way that you

0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:22.759
<v Speaker 6>can go to a shop and say I've got an

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:24.520
<v Speaker 6>old washing machine. Can I swap that for you for

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 6>chik chicken and chips if you want to, you can

0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:30.400
<v Speaker 6>barter with it. But is it currency? No, it's not currency.

0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:31.520
<v Speaker 1>All right, guys, appreciate it.

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:33.319
<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much for isn't loses when we've got

0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:35.719
<v Speaker 3>more time next time because of the great winner that is.

0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Nigel Farage joins.

0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:38.399
<v Speaker 2>Us straight after the break.

0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:40.759
<v Speaker 3>He's in London plenty to fire up about basking in

0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:42.920
<v Speaker 3>the Trump glory, but also some madness in the UK.

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:50.879
<v Speaker 1>Nigel Farage exclusive. It's to Paul Moorray life exit leader,

0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:53.879
<v Speaker 1>Reform Party leader and a very happy man. Is none

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:55.160
<v Speaker 1>other than mate Nigel Farrage.

0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 3>Nigel, you were there in mary Lago, you were in

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:00.520
<v Speaker 3>the room as it was all because, I mean clear,

0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 3>what was it like a week ago?

0:45:06.400 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 10>It was an honor, a genuine honor to be the

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:13.160
<v Speaker 10>only British person in the room. And there it was.

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:15.320
<v Speaker 10>There was Donald Trump sitting in the middle of the

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:20.160
<v Speaker 10>room with family, with Elon Musk, Dana White and around

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:26.520
<v Speaker 10>were friends, mar A Largo members, donors. There were no cameras,

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:29.800
<v Speaker 10>there were no journalists taking notes and writing about it.

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:33.440
<v Speaker 10>It was a very private occasion. And the extraordinary thing

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 10>was I started the evening off, I was very bullish.

0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 10>I'd been outside a polling station that morning in Pennsylvania.

0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:43.520
<v Speaker 10>I was convinced he was going to win. Most people

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:46.920
<v Speaker 10>were a bit cautious, and as the whooping and hollering began,

0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:51.560
<v Speaker 10>Trump just sat there, relaxed, having an ice cream, as

0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:54.719
<v Speaker 10>if kind of no big deal. I mean, he is

0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:57.520
<v Speaker 10>one cool dude. I got to tell you, no, it

0:45:57.640 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 10>was honestly memorable, and I I can't think, I really

0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:08.760
<v Speaker 10>genuinely can't think of a more dramatic, decisive election result

0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 10>at any point in my life.

0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:12.040
<v Speaker 1>It really is a big deal.

0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And we've all had this floating feeling since, right,

0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:18.719
<v Speaker 3>which is this sense of reset, this sense of recalibration,

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:21.920
<v Speaker 3>and an opportunity for things to head off in a.

0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Direction that we would all love to see. I hope

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:25.400
<v Speaker 1>it all happens now.

0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:28.840
<v Speaker 3>Obviously, today you saw the meaning between Trump and Biden,

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:30.799
<v Speaker 3>and we've got to say, you know, while we've all

0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:34.000
<v Speaker 3>wailed on Joe Biden, he stepped up right. They both

0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:36.759
<v Speaker 3>showed themselves to be bigger men than things they had

0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:39.440
<v Speaker 3>said in the past. I liked it. It was a

0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:41.279
<v Speaker 3>regret that it didn't happen four years ago, but I

0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 3>thought it was great it happened today.

0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:46.520
<v Speaker 1>No, I agree entirely.

0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:49.880
<v Speaker 10>And you know, both of them behave with dignity and

0:46:50.000 --> 0:46:52.319
<v Speaker 10>said nice, decent things, and that's all well and good.

0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:55.879
<v Speaker 10>And a transition is going at absolutely breakneck speed.

0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:56.919
<v Speaker 1>And let me tell you something.

0:46:57.000 --> 0:47:00.120
<v Speaker 10>In twenty sixteen, when I arrived in Trump Tower a

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:03.399
<v Speaker 10>couple of days after the election, I was the first

0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:08.000
<v Speaker 10>foreigner to see Donald Trump after his first victory. They

0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:11.360
<v Speaker 10>hadn't expected to win. There was no planning or preparation

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:13.640
<v Speaker 10>for what was to come at all. It was like,

0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:17.560
<v Speaker 10>you know, a completely shock. He has the power of

0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:22.640
<v Speaker 10>patronage over three, maybe even four thousand people, and they've

0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:24.840
<v Speaker 10>been planning this now for the last eighteen months.

0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:25.840
<v Speaker 1>And what you're going to.

0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:29.480
<v Speaker 10>See is Trump going into office on January the twentieth,

0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:33.640
<v Speaker 10>putting people that he trusts and knows in the key positions.

0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:36.920
<v Speaker 10>And the most exciting of all, of course, is Ilon

0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:41.160
<v Speaker 10>Musk with this new Doge Department that's going to cut

0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:43.760
<v Speaker 10>back the size of a state, cut back the waste

0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:47.320
<v Speaker 10>of taxpayers money. I mean, that is for me, the

0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:50.680
<v Speaker 10>most exciting thing I've seen since Margaret Thatcher closed down

0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:53.440
<v Speaker 10>lots of government authorities and got rid of people. You know,

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<v Speaker 10>government is too big, and goodness me, it's worse than Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in terms of.

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<v Speaker 10>The amount of state does the amount of laws you've

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<v Speaker 10>got that it is probably anywhere else. So this could be,

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<v Speaker 10>this could be an object lesson for all of us.

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<v Speaker 3>Forgive me for any giving you thirty seconds to explain

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<v Speaker 3>the Allison Pearson situation.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's a columnist in a newspaper. She puts out

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of tweets in the police turner.

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<v Speaker 10>Alison Pearson, very respected columnist, podcast, a commentator, very decently

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<v Speaker 10>in every way too, please turn up on remembrance Sunday

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<v Speaker 10>morning and say she's in trouble for a non crime

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<v Speaker 10>hate incident. She asks, what was it? I said, we

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<v Speaker 10>can't tell you. Who is it that has complained? No,

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<v Speaker 10>the victim, the victim has complained. Who is the victim?

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<v Speaker 10>We can't tell you, And off they go saying it

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<v Speaker 10>may become a criminal matter. Basically, this is state intimidation.

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<v Speaker 10>It's saying keep your mouth shut, stop criticizing, or you

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<v Speaker 10>will be in trouble. And it isn't just happening to Allison.

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<v Speaker 10>It's happening to thousands of people all over Britain, many

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<v Speaker 10>of whom, all of whom don't have the voice like

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<v Speaker 10>she does to fight back. It is Orwellian, it is kafcrasque.

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<v Speaker 10>It is horrifying and we've got to stand up and

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<v Speaker 10>fight it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you want to see more about this story

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<v Speaker 3>and plenty more. Nigel of Courses on GP News. Lovely

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<v Speaker 3>to see you mate. We'll see you again next week.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll have more time to talk about it. All right,

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<v Speaker 3>that's it for the show for this week. We'll see

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<v Speaker 3>you again Sunday Night, where the news only ever gets bigger.

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<v Speaker 3>Go Yankees have a great We again