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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shadnons.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Maximustapan dominates the United States Grand Prix

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Speaker 1: to slash his deficit to Oscar Piastre to forty points

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Speaker 1: with five rounds remaining, and Bono GP gets another first

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Speaker 1: time winner, with Raoul Fernandez victorious at the Australian Motorcycle

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Speaker 1: Grand Prix on Sunday. My name is Michael Lomonato. It's

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Speaker 1: great to have your company and the company of my

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Speaker 1: co host. He watched the United States Grand Prix so

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Speaker 1: that you don't have to. It's Matt Playton.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Michael, that was tedious in the extreme. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's one of those races ten laps into your thinking.

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Speaker 2: There's ten times more things to talk about off track

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Speaker 2: than there are on because it was not a great race,

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Speaker 2: and it is often not great racing at this track.

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Speaker 3: It's a great track.

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Speaker 2: We don't often get great races here, but in terms

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Speaker 2: of great consequences from a race, then we absolutely have that,

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Speaker 2: don't we.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's often a bit of a slow burn this race,

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Speaker 1: and we did get We've got a tiny bit of burn.

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Speaker 1: I guess with Norris and Lacle right at the end

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Speaker 1: of the race, but way too much higher management for

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Speaker 1: this to be a tracking Grand Prix. But we do

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Speaker 1: think I think this is part of a championship battle,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. Even thinking back to twenty twenty one, obviously

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Speaker 1: there were some pretty explosive races at the end of

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Speaker 1: that year in particular, but there were also some races

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Speaker 1: that you almost just have to get through just to

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Speaker 1: get the points where you need them for the great finale,

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Speaker 1: and I think that this might be one of them

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Speaker 1: where we just needed the points to move in the

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Speaker 1: way they did. Because Max for Stafford only a few

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Speaker 1: races after being one hundred and four points off Oscar

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Speaker 1: Piastre's lead has that deficit down to forty points with

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Speaker 1: five rounds remaining. That's less than ten points a round

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Speaker 1: obviously for them. For those mathematically towns like me, I've

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Speaker 1: putten No. One down sixty four points in four rounds

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Speaker 1: is the game And this is a statue and I

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Speaker 1: Matt were talking about after the race, one hundred and

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Speaker 1: nineteen of a possible maximum one hundred and thirty three points.

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Speaker 1: Since the mid season break, these feels to me like

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Speaker 1: Max for Staffen twenty twenty two number three numbers.

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Speaker 2: Even Yeah, it's like we've gone back in the time

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Speaker 2: machine here, and this is simultaneously a story that we

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Speaker 2: never believed that was going to happen, but yet we

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Speaker 2: all saw coming at the same time, because the only

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Speaker 2: person you would have considered a credible championship threat given

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Speaker 2: the points deficit that he had at that particular time.

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Speaker 3: Was for Staffan.

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Speaker 2: If it was anyone else in that third place of

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Speaker 2: the championship with that amount of deficit, you'd say, no,

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Speaker 2: this is done.

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Speaker 3: And the only.

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Speaker 2: Reason we considered it was possible because not even the

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Speaker 2: car that he was driving, the driver himself, the fact

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Speaker 2: that he's won four championships in a row and he's

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Speaker 2: fast rising up the list of best to ever do

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Speaker 2: it in a particular sport. The shocking part about this

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Speaker 2: for me is not that for Stappan's clamity's way back

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Speaker 2: into championship contention, just how fast this has happened. And

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Speaker 2: that one hundred and nineteen points stat you mentioned before,

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Speaker 2: the other stat over those five rounds, it's interesting if

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Speaker 2: you add Norris in Piastre's points together over those five rounds,

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Speaker 2: it is one hundred and nineteen points. And we know

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Speaker 2: that Red Bull Racing has been a one car team

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Speaker 2: for quite some time now, but it is literally a

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Speaker 2: one car team taking on the team and the two

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Speaker 2: drivers who look to have both these championships absolutely locked up.

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Speaker 2: And we thought it's going to be Piastre or Norris

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Speaker 2: one way or the other. How's all the papyr ruals

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Speaker 2: going to go so on and so forth, and Max

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Speaker 2: Fastappan's like, well, while you're all fatting around trying to

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Speaker 2: work out how to do this, I'm just going to

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Speaker 2: insert myself into the championship picture. And yet, look, a

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Speaker 2: forty point deficit is not insignificant as a number, but

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Speaker 2: when you look at the points that he's taken in

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Speaker 2: the past five weekends, this is beyond being a possibility.

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Speaker 3: Now, this is almost a probability, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Well, the trajectory is sixty four points in four rounds.

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Speaker 1: He's got five rounds and he's got less than that

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Speaker 1: that it is possible. And forty points. You know, we've

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Speaker 1: One DNF World be willing to say if Oscopiastri failed

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Speaker 1: I think forty points is still enough that McLaren can

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Speaker 1: still the case. If Oscopiastri goes out and win one

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Speaker 1: or two more races, that's not job done, but it'll

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Speaker 1: go a long way to getting the job done. But

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Speaker 1: Max for Staffan's like a freight train at this point.

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Speaker 1: His record is now significant. It's not just the points alone.

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Speaker 1: This is something we've talked about in the last two podcasts.

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Speaker 1: I think the previous two races would be a significant

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Speaker 1: test of whether or not this title challenge is genuine.

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Speaker 1: And that's because the first one Singapore Grand Prix, a

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Speaker 1: real bogie track for Max with staff and still yet

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Speaker 1: to win at that circuit. Traditionally, at least in this

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Speaker 1: regulatory era, a red bull racing has been pretty poor.

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Speaker 1: There had the pace to win at that Brack's got

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Speaker 1: very close to getting polled was one slow moving Landon

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Speaker 1: Norris wait perhaps from getting pole, and that would have

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Speaker 1: been the race. With this race, though earlier in the

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Speaker 1: Colin McLaren warded that down in the last few weeks,

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Speaker 1: having seen the progress Red Bull Racing has made boy

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Speaker 1: Bet Andrea Stella's sick of being right all the time

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Speaker 1: that Red Bull Racing, in fact that mustappen controlled this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Sprint Pole sprint victory, Pole victory tells you everything you

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Speaker 1: need to know about. It's not just max momentum, and

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Speaker 1: that's clearly a big part of it. No other drivers,

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Speaker 1: but Red Bull Racing is back now. I think we

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Speaker 2: They needed to do is to not have Christian Horner

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Speaker 2: running them. That's the obvious. That's the obvious takeaway here,

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Speaker 2: isn't it? But it is interesting, You're right, I mean, look, Verstappen,

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Speaker 2: he's the most known quantity in all of this. You

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Speaker 2: just trust that he's not going to beat himself over

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Speaker 2: the remainder of this season. And I guess the question

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Speaker 2: for me is was is Red Bull going to rise

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Speaker 2: with him and give him the equipment that he needs

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Speaker 2: And so look, they're not a multi time Constructors Championship

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Speaker 2: coming back to is if we were having this conversation

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Speaker 2: this is absolutely on here, I wouldn't be surprised there's

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Speaker 2: back to Austin, if you had to look after Singapore

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Speaker 2: at the tracks that were still left on the calendar,

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Speaker 2: you wouldn't have necessarily picked Austin as one of the

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Speaker 2: be the likes of Mexico and Brazil, where Max is

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Speaker 2: just brilliant at both those places. For a long time

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Speaker 2: But this has happened so so quickly, and now you

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Speaker 2: have complete faith in the fact that Verstappan's going to

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Speaker 3: McLaren now has to respond to this.

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Speaker 2: They have time to respond, that's the good thing for them.

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Speaker 2: But when you're on the road like this, with the

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Speaker 2: because they've completely lost control of this. Yes, their drivers

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Speaker 2: it's hard to see where it's coming from right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is the other element. You know. Obviously

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Speaker 1: Max pistapp and recovering the ground big part of the story.

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Speaker 1: finish one two for the rest of the campaign. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: single lab pace hasn't been a McLaren's strength this year.

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Speaker 1: with Oscar Piastri, the title leader. This is it's his

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Speaker 1: leaf that's been eaten into by especially Max for Staffan,

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Speaker 1: but also by Lando Norris, who was thirty four points

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Speaker 1: he's yet to finish ahead of Norris since then, has Piastree.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting now to and let me ask you

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Speaker 1: this question, does this feel like piastre running out of

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Speaker 1: it's been a slow down in points, that's clear. He's

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Speaker 1: now three races without a podium. That's the longest streak

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Speaker 1: his decline here is circumstantial.

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you could be definitive one way or

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Speaker 2: the other. I know that sounds like I'm sitting astride

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Speaker 2: a bit of columb here is clearly lost momentum and

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Speaker 2: I ever since Baku. It's for the first time this year,

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Speaker 2: which is remarkable to say because Backa was what round seventeen.

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Speaker 2: For the first time this year, he's looked like a

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Speaker 2: which of course he is, but this is the first

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Speaker 2: time all season that it's actually felt like that, because

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Speaker 2: all we kept saying about him was he's ahead of schedule,

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Speaker 2: he's mature beyond his years. Look at the way he's

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Speaker 2: handling this, it's all fantastic. He's just doing the maximum

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Speaker 2: that the cars allowing him to do. They seem to

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Speaker 2: lost and performance. That's pretty clear. Operationally McLaren's not operating

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Speaker 2: like a world championship winning team right now. I mean

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Speaker 2: we're still having pitstops that aren't going right and so

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Speaker 2: on and so forth. But there just seems to be bear.

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Speaker 3: With me here.

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Speaker 2: Cars to me have body language. Okay, cars to me

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Speaker 2: have body language that takes on the persona of the

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Speaker 1: been happening. I think, in Vestafan's word words, you would

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Speaker 1: have said you were an idiot if you were to

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Speaker 1: predict this way back then, and I'm be inclined to

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Speaker 1: agree with him. Yet here we are. I want to

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Speaker 1: go back to where we started this to put the

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Speaker 1: final point on this before we move on in the podcast,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and nineteen points of the maximum possible one

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty three to the Staffan, which, as you said,

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Speaker 1: as you well added up, is exactly the same number

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Speaker 1: that Oscar Piastri and Lando Norris have scored combined in

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Speaker 1: that period of time. I mean to me that is powerful.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and seven McLaren versus Ferrari Vibes with Kimmi

446
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Speaker 1: Richen and charging late to overcome the tide Lewis Hamilton

447
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Speaker 1: and Fernando Alonso at McLaren to beat them to the

448
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Speaker 1: world title. This is the scenario that I think McLaren

449
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Speaker 1: didn't deep down think was going to happen at the

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Speaker 1: start of the year, when they were saying things like, well,

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Speaker 1: we've never obviously prioritize one driver or the other, and

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Speaker 1: we prefer these are Zach Frown's words, to lose the title,

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Speaker 1: then to pick a winner. They're now facing the very

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Speaker 1: real possibility that the only way to win the driver's

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Speaker 1: title might be to pick a winner or to face defeat.

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Speaker 1: In a year we all assume they'd be winning a

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Speaker 1: Constructor's Championship double. Andrea Stella has said that decision wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be made until one driver was mathematically out of contention,

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Speaker 1: which I think is pretty unlikely at this point that

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Speaker 1: one of the fall out of contention before at least

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Speaker 1: that's say the last round. Maybe who knows, and you

462
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Speaker 1: know that is that the ethos of the team continues.

463
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Speaker 1: It would be hard as well. I think, after a

464
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Speaker 1: whole year of tying yourself in knots to keep the

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Speaker 1: playing field even to actually turn around and go, actually,

466
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Speaker 1: now we're going to pick one driver. But do they

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Speaker 1: need to pick one driver at this stage if they're

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Speaker 1: going to win the driver's title? Is that the question

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Speaker 1: that they need to face, much as they did at

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Speaker 1: pretty much this time last year, that the only way

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Speaker 1: to get there is to pick a number one.

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Speaker 2: There needs to be and addendum to the PAPYA rules

473
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Speaker 2: Appendix J or something I don't know, But do they

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Speaker 2: need to prioritize one driver to win the driver's title?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Should they have done that several rounds earlier. Yes, And

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Speaker 2: I think we've got to the point now where the

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Speaker 2: margins are too tight and the number of points still

479
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Speaker 2: available are too many to actually realistically do something about it.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: They might get it, They might have no choice but

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Speaker 2: to do that once we get to maybe the second

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Speaker 2: last round or the last round. But there was something

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Speaker 2: about I go back to Monza, there was something I

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Speaker 2: know it's a specific setup and what have you. There

486
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Speaker 2: was something about that then where you just thought, maybe

487
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Speaker 2: we need to be a little bit cautious here, and

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Speaker 2: you can always loosen the reins on this sort of

489
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Speaker 2: thing if you're seeing a stap and fade in the

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Speaker 2: review a little bit. But there was something about Monza

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Speaker 2: and obviously the ridiculous McLaren pitstop, Shenanigans and everything else

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Speaker 2: that went on that day that that sort of felt

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Speaker 2: like a bit of a momentum turning point and maybe

494
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Speaker 2: that was the time where you needed to prioritize one.

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Speaker 3: Driver over the other.

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Speaker 2: But then they've just gone to such extremes this year

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Speaker 2: to not do that.

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Speaker 3: Whatever they do from.

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Speaker 2: Here, whether they do prioritize one driver or they don't

500
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Speaker 2: and they lose the championship because of it, it's not

501
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Speaker 2: going to be received well because of everything that's happened beforehand.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think they ever underestimated for Stappan's ability

503
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Speaker 2: to come back and win a World championship because he's

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Speaker 2: maxed for Staffen. But there's been so much dithering and

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Speaker 2: these rules are so opake, we don't really know what

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Speaker 2: they stand for. They've almost you know, they've created a

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Speaker 2: problem now and I don't know how you engineer your

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Speaker 2: way out of that. You almost have to stick to

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Speaker 2: what is that you've done that's got you here, and

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Speaker 2: you hope to God that that actually works.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is the worst possible scenario, absolutely, championship, I think,

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Speaker 1: assuming the Stapen keeps winning and with Mexico this weekend

513
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Speaker 1: track is one apt more than any other driver in

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Speaker 1: history of any version of the Mexico Grand Prix. Well begins,

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Speaker 1: let's move on to move of the week Matt, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Shannon's plenty of racing over the course

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Speaker 1: of the weekend. Of course, the springs of the Grand

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Speaker 1: Prix at Murder GP and at Austin in the United States.

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Speaker 1: Where are you taking us?

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Speaker 2: You'll be surprised that I'm going to stick with Austin

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Speaker 2: here because as we discussed off the as we discussed

522
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Speaker 2: off the top, great time zone for Australian audiences to

523
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Speaker 2: watch Formula one race, rubbish Formula one race in Australian

524
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Speaker 2: good times. It was no good. Let's be perfectly honest. However,

525
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Speaker 2: there was a move in this race that did catch

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Speaker 2: my eye. And you know how I like to go

527
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Speaker 2: slightly left of center with these sorts of things. I

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Speaker 2: did thoroughly enjoy Franco Colopinto ignoring a team instruction to

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Speaker 2: pass Alpine teammate Pierre Gasli in the.

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Speaker 3: Dying stages for seventeenth place.

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Speaker 2: It was about the most exciting thing that happened in

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Speaker 2: the second half of that race. To remember, this is

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Speaker 2: the same Franco Colopindo who scored as many points in

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Speaker 2: thirteen rounds as Jack Douan if you remember Jack doing

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Speaker 2: Australian Listeners did in the first six rounds of the season.

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Speaker 3: So a completely needless team.

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Speaker 2: Order controversy over seventeenth place in a Grand Prix for

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Speaker 2: the worst team in Formula One. Congratulations, LP, you have one.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it was you know what, I almost want to

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Speaker 1: give my pick because I'm so satisfied with that one.

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Speaker 2: And the best part about it, I thoroughly enjoyed it

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Speaker 2: because you absolutely knew it was going to happen at

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Speaker 2: the same time.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and it was great. You know what, I'm all

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Speaker 1: here for the LP. Just another challenge for that team

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Speaker 1: this year, because that's what you need is more challenges.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: It even got a mention in the press, in the

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Speaker 1: press release from the team afterwards that they brought it

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Speaker 1: up and it will be reviewed and I look forward

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Speaker 1: to hearing about that review. I'm also sticking with Austin.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to the sprint. Mine is I look, it's

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Speaker 1: an unironic pick and it's Yuki Sonoda. Would you believe it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Twelve places on the first lap of the sprint. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it required several drivers to hit each other to do it.

557
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Speaker 1: But there's something I really like, Matt about any on

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Speaker 1: board of an accident and a driver that manages to

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Speaker 1: start way back and successfully pick his way all the

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Speaker 1: way through. Admittedly, did I think a front winger one point?

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Speaker 1: I need to shake that actly lost to place as

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Speaker 1: a result of that. So I think he fished eleven

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Speaker 1: places up godrivid on his starting planes. But then the

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Speaker 1: onboard video of him, I think of also Charlott Clair

565
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Speaker 1: and Lewis Hamlin, is just so satisfying to watch him

566
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Speaker 1: dart around all these cars flying everywhere and a great result.

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Speaker 1: He scored points in the sprint and the race remarkable

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Speaker 1: for Yuki Sonoda. He's now scored more in the last

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Speaker 1: I think three rounds that he had in the previous

570
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Speaker 1: sixteen or whatever it was. But so those twelve moves

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Speaker 1: constitute my move of twelve.

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Speaker 2: Moves of the week. I did thoroughly enjoy it. I

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Speaker 2: also enjoyed him being a little bit robust with Oli

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Speaker 2: Bairman in the Grand Prix, and then Oli Bairman said

575
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Speaker 2: saying that it sets a bad example for the kiddies.

576
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Speaker 2: Oli Bairman all of like eighteen years old at the

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Speaker 2: same time. So I thoroughly enjoyed that. But look, Sonoda

578
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Speaker 2: has been pretty decent the past couple of rounds, was

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Speaker 2: pretty decent at Austin the entire weekend, and that almost

580
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Speaker 2: absolutely guarantees that he will not be in the second

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Speaker 2: red Ball for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: That's discussion point. I think with Mexico City coming up

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Speaker 1: this week, before we wrap up the podcast, we should

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Speaker 1: do one round of interested versus expert, half a round

585
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Speaker 1: of interested versus expert. No supercars onf the weekend, it was,

586
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Speaker 1: of course the Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix, and Man a

587
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Speaker 1: first time winner again and a first time team winner.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what you might not this last time

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Speaker 1: that was. That's what's my interesting question to you. The

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Speaker 1: last time we got a first time team winner in

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Speaker 1: track house, first time podium getter at that as well,

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Speaker 1: that it was Roul Fernandez in the most open Australian

593
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Speaker 1: Grand Prix we've seen in a long time, and yes,

594
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Speaker 1: still managed to surprise us despite that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was one that absolutely nobody anywhere ever had

596
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Speaker 2: on their bingo car to the course of the weekend,

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Speaker 2: despite the fact that we've been looking all week for

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Speaker 2: the answer to well, who the hell is going to

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Speaker 2: win this thing? Because you look at Philip Island, it's

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Speaker 2: a track where certain people are very very good or

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Speaker 2: not so good, and then some of the very very

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Speaker 2: good guys are on bikes that aren't necessarily going to

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Speaker 2: win an Australian Grand Prix in twenty twenty five, like

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Speaker 2: Alex Rinz. You know people like that. For example, Joan

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Speaker 2: Zarko is obviously good there. But you looked at the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Mark Marquez wasn't there, World champion, four time Philip Island winner,

607
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Speaker 2: Joje Martin, fastest man at Philip Island for the past

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Speaker 2: three years, not there. Maverick Vignalez now at Katim was

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Speaker 2: also not there. That's the entire front row of the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four Australian Grand Prix for those plague at

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Speaker 2: home and you just went you kept going through the

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Speaker 2: list of people that were possibly going to win it.

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Speaker 2: This entire weekend was defined by actually what happened in

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Speaker 2: Indonesia a two weeks beforehand, where Marco Betzeki got a

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Speaker 2: double long lap penalty for Philip Island for taking Mark

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Speaker 2: Marquees out of the race of the first lap in Indonesia.

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Speaker 2: That accident left Marques with needing right shoulder surgery. We

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Speaker 2: may not see Mark again for the rest of the season.

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Speaker 2: That takes one Philip Island winner out of the field.

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Speaker 2: It also handcuffed Bedzeki because he was again the fastest

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Speaker 2: man at Philip Island as he hand bit in Indonesia

622
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Speaker 2: one sprint race, but he had to serve these two

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Speaker 2: long laps in the Grand Prix, and his pace was

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Speaker 2: so good for the entire weekend that you know he

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Speaker 2: should have taken pole but for an absolutely ridiculous quae

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Speaker 2: a ro lap on the Saturday. But Bazeki was in

627
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Speaker 2: a class of his own in terms of speed for

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Speaker 2: the weekend. The question was could he still win with

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Speaker 2: two long lap penalties? And the funny thing with Motor

630
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Speaker 2: GP is that not all long lap penalties are created equal.

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Speaker 2: It depends on the circuit, there's some long laps that

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Speaker 2: are long la penalties, and the philip Ilor one not

633
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Speaker 2: so much. You don't really lose a massive amount of

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Speaker 2: time there. It's on the outside of turn four, and

635
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Speaker 2: so he was probably going to ship six seconds over

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Speaker 2: a couple of long lap penalties that he served with

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Speaker 2: in the first seven laps. He had incredible pace after that,

638
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Speaker 2: but he got bottled up behind a couple of Ducatties

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Speaker 2: that are so quick on the strait that Bazeki all

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Speaker 2: the time he was gaining in the corners, he couldn't

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Speaker 2: really do much about them. By the time he was

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Speaker 2: able to get back through those couple of Ducatties, the

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Speaker 2: bird had flown at that point. And this was a

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Speaker 2: weekend where the Aprillia was the best bike on the grid,

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Speaker 2: and you look at Aprilia's rider lineup. Joje Martin wasn't there. Ayaguru,

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Speaker 2: who's been really good as a rookie this year, has

647
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Speaker 2: just come back from injury. He wasn't completely right and

648
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Speaker 2: Bizeki was being penalized.

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Speaker 3: The only other Apilia in the field was.

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Speaker 2: Ralp Fernandez and to give Ralp Fernandes his due, he's

651
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Speaker 2: never even raced one single lap in the top three

652
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Speaker 2: of a motor GP race before he got his opportunity,

653
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: he took it. He made absolutely no mistakes. And so

654
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Speaker 2: we had a first time Moto GP winner in their

655
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Speaker 2: seventy six start. And that's two rounds in a row

656
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Speaker 2: we've had first time Motor GP race winners. And here's

657
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Speaker 2: a stat for you. The only Spanish writer on the

658
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Speaker 2: Motor GP GrITT now who has not won a Grand

659
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: Prix is Pedro Acosta. How sick do you think that

660
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: makes him feel?

661
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: Even though I know he's yet to win a Grand Prix,

662
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: doesn't feel right to say that unbelievable.

663
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: You never would have predicted that You've had fermin Al

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Speaker 2: Degeran ral Fernandez win a Motor GP Grand Prix before

665
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Speaker 2: Pedro Acosta. Absolutely nobody saw that.

666
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Speaker 1: Kelly, he must he must be fuminged.

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Speaker 2: But before we exercise, but also before we get off

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Speaker 2: MotoGP though, because I know we need to wrap this show,

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Speaker 2: I did want to mention a couple of things about

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Speaker 2: Philip Island. This year biggest crowd Philip islandsin is twenty twelve.

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Speaker 2: Super impressed with that, because, as always with Philippil that

672
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Speaker 2: I have a journalist made of mine. That laughs every

673
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Speaker 2: year where I write the words capricious microclimate in Philip,

674
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Speaker 2: any preview of Philip Island, because it's just a copy

675
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Speaker 2: and paste every year, because it's completely true. Fantastic crowd

676
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Speaker 2: over the course of the weekend. But we had two

677
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Speaker 2: Australians on World Championship podiums, which was hugely impressive. Joel

678
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Speaker 2: Kelso was second in III from pole position. He missed

679
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: out by six tenths of a second from the win.

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Speaker 2: And the name that we're going to start to hit

681
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Speaker 2: a lot lot more about is center Ageous. In Moto two,

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Speaker 2: he absolutely dominated won the race on Friday. I think

683
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Speaker 2: he did ten laps in a practice did that were

684
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Speaker 2: better than anybody else did for the entire week and

685
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Speaker 2: he had incredible speed.

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Speaker 3: And he never qualified.

687
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Speaker 2: He had one front row qualifying position before and just

688
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Speaker 2: completely cleared off. He was in a completely different category.

689
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Speaker 2: And that's two years in row. He's been on the

690
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Speaker 2: podium and he's home grownd Prix, but he's starting to

691
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: show more at other places and he looks like a

692
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Speaker 2: Motor GP writer in waiting. He's only twenty years old.

693
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: He's got a lot of pretty heavy hitters in his

694
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: management stable behind him. He shapes as the natural successor

695
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Speaker 2: to Jack Miller. But he's got that sort of murder

696
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Speaker 2: GP writer aura about him for a young kid, and

697
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Speaker 2: I would be absolutely gobsmacked if we don't see him

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Speaker 2: in the top flight before too long, because he has

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Speaker 2: got what it takes.

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Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, a momentus occasion for a record breaking

701
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Speaker 1: or close to a record breaking crowd to witness a

702
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Speaker 1: couple on the podium, Jack military well and qualifying in

703
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Speaker 1: the sprint, and then they got to watch Francesco for

704
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Speaker 1: everybody the audience. But that's a story for another that

705
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Speaker 1: I feel like. Last time we talked about Francisca said

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Speaker 1: this is a.

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Speaker 2: Well while we're in stats quarter before we leave Moto GP,

708
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Speaker 2: his past four rounds of points for you, he has

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00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: scored no points, no points, thirty seven points at no points,

710
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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen. Francesco Bady in twenty twenty five just

711
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: one of the most baffling seasons by a very accomplished

712
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Speaker 2: writer I think I've ever come across.

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Speaker 1: Yes, if you're more of Matth's thoughts as well, you

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Speaker 1: can catch the Motor GP edition of Pit Talk in

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Speaker 1: this same podcast feed later on in the week to

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Speaker 1: dp wethink that happened down the Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix.

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Speaker 1: Before we wrap up, though, Matt, You've got to visit

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Speaker 1: the Crystal Ball my complete home filtration to visit this

719
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Speaker 1: because I'm on a bit of a streak. Do you

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Speaker 1: like a two predictions streak? I can't remember what I

721
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Speaker 1: pretty did last time out, but I got that one right.

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Speaker 3: It was correct.

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Speaker 2: What did I predict last time I'll have to go

724
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Speaker 2: back and listen to the episode again. But we're just

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Speaker 2: going to the Michael Lemonado Honorable Memorial. You're not dead,

726
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: but you know what I mean, the crystal Ball. We'll

727
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: name it after you. We'll we'll build a statue for

728
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: you outside crystal Ball headquarters or something.

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Speaker 3: You are.

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Speaker 2: You're a roll at the moment, and I would say, look,

731
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Speaker 2: it's it's not quite a trend for me yet. Still

732
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Speaker 2: walre coincidence. It's only been two weeks in a row,

733
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Speaker 2: but yeah, you're doing a damn sight better than me.

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Speaker 2: Although I was close ish last weekend, so maybe it's

735
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Speaker 2: taken us until October. But the crystal Ball is finally

736
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Speaker 2: starting to actually show the right thing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you picked Bezeki to Victor. He did win the sprint,

738
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: So maybe we have to go back and rewind the

739
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Speaker 1: tape to see if you specified whether you meant to

740
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Speaker 1: feature race or the sprint. Was previous pick was for

741
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Speaker 1: Matt Payin and garf Town to doin the batist One

742
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Speaker 1: course it was, And then of course maybe this will

743
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Speaker 1: be also a matter for the tape, is for the

744
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: McClaren drivers to crash out on the first lap. Did

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Speaker 1: not say specifically the Sunday race. I think the sprint

746
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Speaker 1: still counts. It's two in a row and one in

747
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Speaker 1: a row.

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Speaker 2: Remarkable times, remarkable times, remarkable times. Were you indeed anyone

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Speaker 2: that wants the winning lottery numbers for this week?

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00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 3: Just direct message Michael Hilly? You know, but Crystal.

751
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: Ball, you've got a streak to per picture. You get

752
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: to two, what are you going?

753
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: I feel bad talking about this. I thought of something.

754
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: I tried to be a little kinder and then I

755
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: just couldn't do it. So my Crystal ball's telling me,

756
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: deep breath of everybody, McLaren have won their last race

757
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 2: this year. Oh I don't think. I don't think McLaren

758
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: wins the race to the rest of the year. And

759
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: now I don't think that Max Forstafen wins all of

760
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: them either. I think he'll win. He's not winning Las Vegas.

761
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: I think we've decided already that a Mercedes is going

762
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 2: to win Las Vegas, and there may be another one

763
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 2: in that mix. But if McLaren's going to win this work. Look,

764
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Speaker 2: it would be very ferrari to go and have a

765
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 2: dobbin at one two in one of the last races

766
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Speaker 2: of the year where there's absolutely nothing to fight for

767
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: against the run of play. But this doesn't feel great

768
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: for McLaren right now. It feels like they don't have

769
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 2: the momentum. It feels like, yeah, their drivers are one

770
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: and two, win the championship. I could absolutely see a

771
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: world in that they're trying to back their way into

772
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: this World Championship. I'm not winning another race and that's

773
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 2: what I'm going to go with. And if I ever

774
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 2: wanted a crystal ball prediction to be wrong, because it

775
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 2: means it's probably not going to go down the last round,

776
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 2: I would like that to be the case. But right

777
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: now I can't make I can't make an argument for it.

778
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: Wow, No, you know what it can we did the match,

779
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: it will still go to the last round just for

780
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: staff and will win it. That's to the last round.

781
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: Where you go.

782
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: You're probably gonna be a bit more charitable than charitable

783
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: than me, I'd say.

784
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's charitable or not, but it

785
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: will be. Knowing now for a little while that Red

786
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: Bull Racing's driver decision is coming, what they say anyway,

787
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be around and made around the time of

788
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: the Mexico City Grand Prix, probably announced perhaps afterwards, which

789
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: don't know, someone will find out. I suppose I think

790
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: that because of course Mexico City Grand Prix was the

791
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: Sergio Perez location, the great number two driver that he was.

792
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: He'd turn up and perform there. Usually sometimes you crash

793
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: out in the first lap. Yuki Sonoda is going to

794
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm going to say this. Uki stud

795
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: is going to get a podium this weekend. Oh my god,

796
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to be sacked by Red Bull Racing the

797
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: following week because the decision and just have not told anyone.

798
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: So it's an ambitious prediction for me to go to

799
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: three in a row. But that's what I'm sensing from red.

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Speaker 2: Bull and my reaction here utterly useless on an audio podcast,

801
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: So I've just put my head in my hands because

802
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: i could see exactly where you were going here. They

803
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: make the decision on Wednesday on the way to Mexico City,

804
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: and then he has a season best perhaps career best

805
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: resulting Quava was in the front row or something absolutely ridiculous.

806
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: He's in a position to actually help Max fistap it

807
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: on track, which has not happened very often. And then

808
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: on Monday there'll be the three line press release. We

809
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: would like to relieve Uki Sonata of his duties. So look,

810
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 2: if you get this one right for the Crystal Ball,

811
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: we might have to retire the Crystal Ball because it

812
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: may never get better than that. It might be its

813
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: finest moment. But we've definitely gone audacious here. I think

814
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: I'm still delirious from lack of sleep and writing tivity

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Speaker 2: words after Philip Island, But my goodness, we've pushed the

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Speaker 2: boat out this week.

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Speaker 1: Yes, looking forward to the results this weekend. In the

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Speaker 1: racing world, there's a lot of time. We have a

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Speaker 1: pit Talk today. You can subscribe to pit Talk wherever

820
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: you get your favorite podcasts, and you can leave us

821
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Speaker 1: a rating and review as well. This weekend, it's a

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00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: big one. It's the Gold Coast five hundred, with races

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Speaker 1: getting underway at four fifteen on Saturday and three ten

824
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: on Sunday that's Eastern daylight time, followed by the Malaysian

825
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Speaker 1: Motorcycle Grand Prix at six pm on Sunday and then

826
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Speaker 1: the Mexico City Grand Prix at seven am on Monday.

827
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Speaker 1: Then you call in sick, and then you go to

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Speaker 1: bed for the rest of the day. You can keep

829
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Speaker 1: up to date with all the latest F one, motor

830
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Speaker 1: DP and supercars news at Fox sports dot Com. Today

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Speaker 1: you from Matt Clayton and me Michael Lomonato. Thanks very

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Speaker 1: much for your company. We'll catch you next week.