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Speaker 1: A Pod Shape Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Am I A Bad

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Speaker 2: Mom Podcast?

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Speaker 3: Happy Mother's Day, Oh, thank you having Mother's Day, To

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Speaker 3: you too, and to every mother out.

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Speaker 1: There, every type of mother, yeah out there.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because I had a thought the other day

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Speaker 2: because my girls had gone out and they got me

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Speaker 2: some makeup, and like, they were really thoughtful with the

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Speaker 2: stuff that they got, and it made me think about

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Speaker 2: all those years because I've still got a clock on

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Speaker 2: my bedside table, like pink plastic clock doesn't go with

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Speaker 2: the room, doesn't go with anything, and I've always kept

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Speaker 2: that there because that's what Holly got me one year

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Speaker 2: from the Mother's Day Store straw. So I've got little

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Speaker 2: things like that around.

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Speaker 1: Which they're cute.

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Speaker 2: Quite a memory of CD about how it doesn't really

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Speaker 2: go with anything, but it's fine their memories. And I

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Speaker 2: just was like, oh, I remember all those years where

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Speaker 2: you bore those like pasta necklaces and all that stuff

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Speaker 2: you had to go to work with it on.

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Speaker 3: And I got pretty excited for this Mother's Day because

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Speaker 3: we happen to be away on the particular day that

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Speaker 3: the Mother's Day Store was on. Oh okay, I loved

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Speaker 3: the gifts that they used to make the store ones

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Speaker 3: just get a little bit too it. You can't even

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Speaker 3: hide them when you're trying to put them in a

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Speaker 3: donation bin, like it's like you want to on gift them.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, the girls like watching her every move, going,

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Speaker 3: but why didn't you use that keyring that has forty

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Speaker 3: five different ornaments hanging off at And you're.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, and how many friends have you got that

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Speaker 2: would like a second haired apron that you didn't even

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Speaker 2: want in the first place.

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Speaker 3: I don't feel that Mother's Day was that exciting for me.

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Speaker 3: I ended up losing my shit at my kids and saying,

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Speaker 3: next year, the only gift that I want is to

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Speaker 3: be by myself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because nothing.

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Speaker 3: Changed yesterday other than the fact that you gifted me.

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Speaker 1: Something in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then my child brings me a cup of tea

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Speaker 3: because she supposedly wants to Katie Yeah, and then turns

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Speaker 3: me and goes, oh, I just feel like the butler

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Speaker 3: around here.

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Speaker 1: I was like, keep a cup of tea. I actually

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Speaker 1: don't want it.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to my world.

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Speaker 3: I was like, one day year.

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Speaker 2: Did you find that you had less patience as well?

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Speaker 2: Because it was Mother's Day. So it's like, this is

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Speaker 2: the one day you should be making an effort.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was just like a few things

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Speaker 3: all stacked up, and then you know. Grace started the

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Speaker 3: day at six forty seven like that, calling herself a

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Speaker 3: Elsie at breakfast time, where she was asked to just

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Speaker 3: put the tablecloth on the table. What am I the

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Speaker 3: slave around here?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 3: And threw herself around. I was like, just give me it,

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Speaker 3: I'll do it myself. I was like, don't even need

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Speaker 3: to hear your voice. You can actually leave now, go

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Speaker 3: into your bedroom, don't come out. I actually don't want

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Speaker 3: to spend breakfast with you.

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Speaker 2: I also love the way that they both gave you

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Speaker 2: and I sleep in for others, say six sixty.

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Speaker 3: Seven, I said that I was like every other mother,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure at least slept till seven am, but because me.

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Speaker 3: That was Elsie's response, Mom, you're up every morning early.

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Speaker 3: This is not early. We let you sleep till six

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Speaker 3: forty seven.

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Speaker 2: You love getting up early? Am I bad mum for

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Speaker 2: wanting to change the school curriculum.

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Speaker 1: Love this.

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Speaker 3: I'm hoping this is like semi serious because it is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, would love an overhaul.

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Speaker 2: This is serious, Like, I'm so serious. I feel like

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Speaker 2: we are still concentrating and hammering it into our kids

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Speaker 2: the stuff that they need to work out at school,

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Speaker 2: which is the same stuff that we needed to work

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Speaker 2: out at school before we even had mobile phones in

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like things have changed.

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Speaker 2: Like this is controversial, right, but math, Okay, I have

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Speaker 2: been hassling my girls for years to work harder at math.

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Speaker 2: Math is not their strong point. They hate it. It's

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Speaker 2: the subject that they've had to work harder at, and

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Speaker 2: I've spent years going, come on, do your mathrovision, do this,

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Speaker 2: blah blah blah. You gotta work out this fucking algebra.

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Speaker 1: I can't help you. I don't know how to do

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Speaker 1: it myself.

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Speaker 2: It was like, once it got to my grade five,

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Speaker 2: I was like, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I'm done with the help you need algebra.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I am not saying that you don't need math just

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Speaker 2: to be an educated person and to get on with life. However,

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying is that it's different now because back

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Speaker 2: when we learning math, or our parents were learning math,

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Speaker 2: or grandparents because I feel like the curriculum literally hasn't

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Speaker 2: changed for so many years. We had to use physical

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Speaker 2: calculators for stuff. Right nowadays, our kids are never going

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Speaker 2: to be anywhere in the world ever without having a

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Speaker 2: They never go anywhere without their phones.

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Speaker 1: I love a good calculator.

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Speaker 3: I was like, don't you remember being Schoen You like

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Speaker 3: got the best calculatory.

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Speaker 1: I brought the top calculator.

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Speaker 2: It's a bigger than iPad, and I didn't even know

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Speaker 2: how to work. I don't know what they.

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Speaker 3: Did, I know, But then now we laugh about it

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Speaker 3: because all of that is in one little button on

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Speaker 3: our phone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even like Google, Even like you walk around your

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Speaker 2: house if you need to do some sort of calculation

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Speaker 2: for I don't know, you're cooking ingredients or something, Hey Google.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they're there.

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Speaker 2: They're right there to help you.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I won't wasting so much time on that stuff. But

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Speaker 2: also it's like my kids do a lot of religion.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, We've discussed this before.

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Speaker 2: And so the stuff that I do like is the

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Speaker 2: stuff around the morals, like the being good human beings,

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Speaker 2: they treating people how you wish to be treated those.

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Speaker 1: Kind of things.

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Speaker 2: And I also like that they're being taught different faiths

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Speaker 2: and just like educating them generally on you know, we

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Speaker 2: you know, Buddhism.

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Speaker 3: Behind Yeah, there's all different faiths and religions, but they're

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Speaker 3: getting an educated overview of all of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like that. However, if you have a

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Speaker 2: look at my kids schedule on a weekly basis, religion's

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Speaker 2: almost every day.

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Speaker 1: Don't need that much.

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Speaker 2: And look at the things that this is again a

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Speaker 2: bit controversial, but look at the amount of money that

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Speaker 2: influencers are making. Right, and I'm not saying for one

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Speaker 2: second stop doing math kids. How to be an influencer?

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Speaker 3: Here is a social media name.

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Speaker 2: But if you look at content creation and by content creation,

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Speaker 2: this is content creation right here, right Like we are

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Speaker 2: doing a podcast that's content creation and doesn't have to

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Speaker 2: be you know, airy fairy fucking hay is how to

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Speaker 2: do you make up?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: But it's storytelling. So you know, there are podcasts on

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Speaker 2: some really I mean, this is not one of them.

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Speaker 2: Intellectual and teaching yourself writing. You know, maybe it's spiritual.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's meditation, that kind of thing, Like, there are

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Speaker 2: some quite important again, not this one valid things we

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Speaker 2: could be learning, right, and we actually so my company,

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Speaker 2: pod Shape, we actually do do a schools program where

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Speaker 2: we go into some schools and we teach kids how

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Speaker 2: to make podcasts from scratch. We haven't done that many

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Speaker 2: of them yet. That's a part of the business that

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Speaker 2: I really want to grow. But we've definitely had pushback

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Speaker 2: from schools, going, no, it's not right for us. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: why is it not right for you? Because you're still

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Speaker 2: making your kids do religion every day and fucking algebra.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not evolving with what society's doing.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's my thing. So my children they started

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Speaker 2: year of high school they also did French. They did

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Speaker 2: six years off French and they cannot count to ten, Like,

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Speaker 2: what the hell were they doing? Literally, not one kid

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Speaker 1: I'd want to do that too.

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Speaker 3: My girls obviously aren't in the older curriculum yet. But

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Speaker 3: even the younger school curriculum for me, I look out and.

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Speaker 1: Go, we need to overhaul it.

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Speaker 3: Do we still oh gosh, I'm going to get roasted

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Speaker 3: for this, But do we still need to know about

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Speaker 3: our first fleet? Like?

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Speaker 3: Like Elsie's coming home with homework again his homework necessary

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Speaker 3: such a controversial topic. Yeah, but first fleet? Like what

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Speaker 1: I just google what was the first fleet?

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Speaker 3: And Katie, I've got a fucking idea, you know, And

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Speaker 3: that's terrible of I mean maybe, but I genuinely knew

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Speaker 3: going through school history is not my thing. Geography. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but it's not my go to. It's not my strength,

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Speaker 3: it's not my And it's almost like sitting in that

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Speaker 1: Where do I want to be? What do I want

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And maybe it's a case of tailoring the curriculum to

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Speaker 2: the actual kids as well, because not everget like, if

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Speaker 2: we wasting time on making you do history. I like history.

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Speaker 2: I like history because it's almost like listening to a

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Speaker 2: true crime podcast, Like I love reading about Henry the

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Speaker 2: Eighth and how he beheaded his wives. Like it's just

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Speaker 2: that shock factor of going, whoa look at what they

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Speaker 2: did back then. I know. So here's the question for you, Right,

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Speaker 2: if you saved money on whatever school fees that you

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Speaker 2: then uniform fees and then they get blazers and all

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Speaker 2: of that kind of stuff. Right, if you saved all

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Speaker 2: of that money and instead of your kids going to school,

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Speaker 2: they got to see different cultures, they got to see

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Speaker 2: it's a kids brought up here. How much more educated

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's just that difference of going like

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Speaker 3: that option of like, Okay, they go to this particular school.

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Speaker 3: But the money that we would have spent on school fees,

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Speaker 3: to twenty five thousand a year per child. Yeah, if

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Speaker 3: I don't spend that, you could spend a few thousand

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Speaker 3: rest into like worldly real world travel. Good for the soul,

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Speaker 3: you know, like that shit's going to teach them so

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Speaker 3: much more, I believe than the textbooks reading about history

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Speaker 3: and religion. Could be wrong, but I'm definitely in agreeance

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I am aware when I think back to

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Speaker 2: that it made it sound like we shouldn't have to

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Speaker 2: go to school and we should all just gone long holidays.

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Speaker 3: But I don't mean but I understood because I was like, no,

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Speaker 3: we could break it down a few thousand thrown for

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I did at school for many years? Latin?

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Speaker 1: Did you.

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Speaker 2: I've never every of my whole life age, what a

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Speaker 2: waste of time?

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Speaker 3: And Latin.

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Speaker 2: No one even speaks Latin. No Latin. If you said

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Speaker 2: to kids these days, I did Latin at school, I

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Speaker 2: don't even know what that is.

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Speaker 3: We had stock standard and it was either Indonesian or

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Speaker 3: tell you how much I've used it and later on

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Speaker 3: in life, Yeah, I think I can still get to

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Speaker 3: ten in Germany' not in Indo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it's very angry language, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: That's his school ja, and that perhaps up our schooling

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Speaker 3: expedition of this podcast