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Speaker 1: Is there a place for gender to be taught in schools?

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Speaker 2: That's just not the case, So I don't know what

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Speaker 2: that's being based on.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's legislation before Parliament put up by Sarah

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Speaker 2: And I haven't looked at the detail of what she's proposing,

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Speaker 2: That's the sort of issues that people are talking to

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Speaker 1: Well we'll get to that, we'll get to your rent

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Speaker 2: Well, what harm does that do if a child chooses

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Speaker 1: I reckon it's a real problem with parents. If you

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Speaker 2: Yes, but if you had a large number of landlords

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Speaker 1: Would you have a policy that would force landlords out

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Speaker 2: But also what we're forgetting we're talking about landlords that

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Speaker 1: Commodity and what you can't have people making too much money.

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Speaker 2: Well, housing shouldn't be viewed as a commodity. I mean

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Speaker 2: Well no, let's think though, Let's tease out what you're saying,

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Speaker 2: So some landlords over this period have made huge profits.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's mega. I really don't say.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying let's cut the rent, which is already

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Speaker 1: Even first, when when a landlord pays and I'm not

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Speaker 1: It isn't going to help anyone ultimately.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of pressure on renters to not

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Speaker 2: be able to meet bear costs. And might I say

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Speaker 2: the difference is between the renter and the landlord is

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Speaker 2: the landlord has the benefit of earning the asset, which

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Speaker 2: you know, if the market changes and they feel that

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Speaker 2: they know on longer want to operate in that space,

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Speaker 2: they can always sell and make a significant profit in

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Speaker 2: the middle of this housing crisis. At the moment they've

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Speaker 2: got that asset. But also you're getting the benefit of

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Speaker 2: the most generous negative gearing tax concession in the.

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Speaker 1: World, which which you want to end as well.

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Speaker 2: Well, what the Greens have actually proposed is limiting and

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Speaker 2: we're not ending it entirely. We're saying you can have

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Speaker 2: one property that is negatively heard, but then going forward

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Speaker 2: and if you're having multiple properties, you don't get that

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Speaker 2: tax benefit. Again, I think that's pretty reasonable. One investment property,

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Speaker 2: have twenty. Come on, let's get real. Sounds well, some

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Speaker 2: people can't afford to buy a house.

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Speaker 1: Sounds to me like an attack on the aspirational Robert Simms,

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Speaker 1: But well we'll have.

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Speaker 2: To leave it. Well, well, Matthew, isn't it fundamental to

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Speaker 2: the Australian dream that everybody should be able to have

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Speaker 2: their own home. Isn't that fundamental thing that has been

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Speaker 2: part of the Australian story ownership? Absolutely, and because of

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Speaker 2: breed when that is just flipping totally out of prospects

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Speaker 2: most Australians, and I think it's the real shame. We've

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Speaker 2: got to do something about it.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to leave it there, Robert Simms, thank you

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Speaker 1: for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me Onkward Chat.

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Speaker 1: Green's Upper House MP