1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: On today's episode, Jack Tuin is turfed by Alpine for 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: reserve driver Franco Cola Pinto ahead of this weekend's Emelia 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Romania Grand Prix, and we catch up with nineteen seventy 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: eight world champion Mario Andretti to get the latest on 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: his Cadillac Teams driver search. My name's Michael Lomonado. It's 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: great to have your company and the company of my 8 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: co host. Believe me, he's written in a Cadillac hundreds 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: of times thousands. 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: It's Matt Clayton Heavens in the back seat, Michael, as 11 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 2: the song title will tell you. But yeah, look, it's 12 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: good to be talking a little bit of f one 13 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: because anyone who followed the MOTORGP weekend in France A 14 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: needs a good line down and I need something to 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: write about that's not rain and chaos and long lap 16 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: penalties and other things. And as I was saying to 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: our colleague Greed of Vimulan on this week's Motor GP 18 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: pod yesterday, you know, when you're covering one of these 19 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: races and you get the notification from race direction that 20 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: something's happened on track regular motor GP race you get 21 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: ten twelve of those. There were one hundred and sixteen 22 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 2: of them from Lamont on Sunday, and so my screen 23 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: looked like a Rulette weel, just spinning, spinning, spitting, spitting 24 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: the entire time while I trying to make sense of 25 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: the silliest Grand Prix of all time. So hopefully a 26 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: little more sanity this weekend at Emma lib it's looking 27 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: forward to get stuck into it. 28 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, luckily it was at least a weekend off 29 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: Formula One. You didn't have too much ridiculousness to keep 30 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: up with, at least on the track. Plenty of ridiculousness 31 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: off the track, especially if you are at Endstone where 32 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: Alpin is based, and they've decided that Jack Dowan will 33 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: be out of the car for at least the next 34 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: five Grand Prix in favor of reserve driver Franco colb Pinto. 35 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: It's the story we've seen coming for a little while, 36 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 1: rumors of which were circulating just after the previous Grand 37 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: Prix in Miami. We mentioned them at the very end 38 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: of the last podcast. But things move very quickly and 39 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: not aided I think by the US time zone very 40 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: inconvenient for us, but it means that Jack Dowin is 41 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: out of a driver now. Interestingly, though, Matt, what I 42 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: didn't see coming, considering this had been rumored for so 43 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: long was this five race trial concept that they've given 44 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: color Pinto. They say they'll reassess things between the Austrian 45 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: and British Grand Prix, which is a double header, so 46 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit dubious about how much they would 47 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: change at that point, but nonetheless they say it's five 48 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: Grand Prix and in the meantime, to quote the press release, 49 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: Jack Dolan will be the first choice reserve driver. What 50 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: do you make if it's. 51 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 3: Not great podcast content? 52 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: But I'm shaking my head through every single thing that 53 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 2: you just said. Then, But the five race thing, I mean, uncharitably, 54 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: I could say, are they just waiting for the sponsor's 55 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: checks to clear in the Instone Bank account to see 56 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: whether they extended for longer than five races? But this 57 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: to me, We'll talk about doing Olli Oaks and a 58 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: million other things in the next five minutes. But it's 59 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 2: been pretty obvious from day one that Cola Pinto was 60 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: going to end up in that seat at some point, 61 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: So why are we bothering with this five race pretense? 62 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: Is it just to perhaps let Jack Dowan's tires down 63 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: a little more softly, But then after publicly not backing 64 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: him before the season started and then him feeling like 65 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 2: he was walking the green or for the best part 66 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: of the season when he was actually in the car, 67 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: I don't understand while we're doing this sitting on the 68 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: fence thing with Colopinto, because it's pretty clear that he 69 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: was going to be in the car at some point. 70 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: What possible reason is there for there only to be 71 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: some sort of five race thing unless there's some fine 72 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: printings and contracts. But I wanted to ask you this 73 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: because your output on Fox sports dot com dot au 74 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: after we had recorded last week's podcast. I can imagine 75 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: you looking at your phone first thing on Tuesday or 76 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 2: here cock com. No take us inside those next few days, 77 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: because the doing story was one that we saw coming 78 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: from a mile off, and it was what it was. 79 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: But then things just got progressively nuttier as the days 80 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: went on for the back end of last week, and 81 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: you were probably at a point where, I mean you 82 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: can detail the timeline of last week, you probably thought 83 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: anything is possible. At this point, I'm prepared to believe 84 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: just about anything, because none of these stories made any sense, 85 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: and after the doing one, most of them were ones 86 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: we just could not see coming. 87 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got to the point now with LPNE where 88 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: you would believe anything if you could tell me anything 89 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: that they've got planned, and I'd have to take it 90 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: at least half seriously because of things like this week 91 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: and even the history of the last year. But the 92 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: week actually started on in quite unpredictable fashion, which was 93 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: on Tuesday morning out time or Tuesday whatever time zone 94 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: they were operating in at the time, there was confirmation 95 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: the team Vincible Olive Oaks had stepped down resigned rather unexpectedly. 96 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 1: The team said it would be making no comment on 97 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: it at the end of the press release, and no 98 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,559 Speaker 1: comment subsequently has been given, at least by the team. 99 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: Heavily rumored to center around a disagreement with Flavio Briatore, 100 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: who's the executive advisor to the Reno CEO regarding alpine matters, 101 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: a disagreement over these driver choices about the jack doan 102 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: move we all thought or saw coming, which ultimately came 103 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: the subsequent day, and while I do believe there was 104 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: a level of disagreement with the way the driver decision 105 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: was being made, and you can then reflect back on 106 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: a lot of the political language Oliver Oaks has been 107 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: using all year about sort of half heartedly backing Jack 108 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: Doan while also leaving the door open to a decision 109 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: being made later. What we subsequently discovered was that the 110 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: personal reasons that they quoted in the press release, which 111 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: is always quite easy get out clause, well there might 112 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: be something in it because Friday our time, so I 113 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: guess Thursday in Europe was revealed by the UK Telegraph 114 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: that his brother and business part of William Oakes, had 115 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: been arrested for transferring criminal property and he'd be found 116 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: with quite a lot of cash on his person. I 117 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: think that was on the Thursday before the Miami Grand Prix. 118 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: On the Friday he was charged and on the Saturday 119 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: he was before the magistrate and is now in custody 120 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: as far as I know, hasn't been granted bail or 121 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: anything like that. So relatively serious their business partners, because 122 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: they're both directors of high Tech Grand Prix, which is 123 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: the junior team that fields cars in Formula two and 124 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: Formula three, among other junior categories, also co directors of 125 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: the holding company by the same name, and the last 126 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: we know, and of course, now that he's no longer 127 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: Lpnteam principally has I guess, no responsibilities to be anywhere 128 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: in particular. But the last we know is that he 129 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: flew to Dubai and is yet to reserves at least 130 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: in the UK or anywhere publicly with the Everything subsequent 131 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: now is interpretation, but one would assume that given they're 132 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: both directors of a company, he'd at least be wanted 133 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: for questioning. Considering, you know, his brother was also found 134 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: at the same area as the factory at Silverston Park, 135 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: we assume he must have been near or at work 136 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: at the time. But it certainly does cast everything back 137 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: into doubt in a way that to me Matt feels 138 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: very reminiscent of f one of a different era, the 139 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: era of bailiff's impounding equipment and all this sort of stuff. 140 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: The good news, I guess from Alpine's perspective is that 141 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: with all of Oaks having already resigned, it's sort of 142 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: now any connection to this which seems to mostly a 143 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: revolver at a minimum around the high Tech ron pri 144 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: or the people involved at high Tech rome pro. We 145 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: don't know if the business itself is actually involved beyond 146 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: the people running it. That Alpine can keep a certain 147 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: amount of distance from it. But nonetheless it does involve 148 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: F two and F three and I haven't I haven't seen. 149 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: I'm not animilar at the moment, obviously, But there's speculation, 150 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: of course about how high Tech might or might not 151 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: be able to continue beyond now, whether or not there'll 152 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: be delays to getting too Mula or competing in the 153 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: rest of the season at et cetera, which would be 154 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: a blow to obviously all the young drivers who are 155 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: reliant on high Tech being of the stepping stone up 156 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: to the dream of Formula one. But it's been a 157 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: pretty dramatic twist to what we thought was a pretty 158 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: straightforward cashed up driver usurping Australia not cashed up driver situation. 159 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: Anytime the word bailiffs comes up in a Formula one conversation, 160 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: let alone links to Russian olive arts and sacks of 161 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: cash and everything, it's very very nineteen eighties. Pre Qualifying 162 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: Formula one. 163 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 4: Not critty qualifying one. 164 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: I like that pre qualifying f one that's a separate podcast. 165 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: We need to do your favorite pre qualifying memories. But 166 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: it's just they're two separate stories that just happened to 167 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: share personnel. 168 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: That's the first thing. 169 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: But getting back to your point that anything feels believable 170 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: at this point, it just does with this particular team, 171 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: because they've given us no reason to believe that if 172 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: you inserted the same story with other teams, we would 173 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: dismiss them out of hand initially as we well, that's 174 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: clearly not happening, or that's not happened. But because of 175 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: the way this Alpine team has been run and continues 176 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: to be run over the past few years, it feels 177 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: like this is the team that this sort of thing 178 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: is most applicable to, despite their being separate stories. But 179 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 2: I'm curious, So what's the way forward from here? I mean, 180 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: like you said before, Alping can distance itself from the 181 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: Oaks high tech stuff because it is a separate story. 182 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: Oaks is no longer under their employer. That's fine. 183 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: What are Alpin doing from here, given that they're electing 184 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: to shut at their own engine program at the end 185 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: of this year to go with a customer somewhere else 186 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: You've now got Franco Colopinto and all of the associated 187 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: sponsorship dollars that come into the team to go alongside 188 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: Pierre Ghastly, Flavier Briatore is going to be taking a 189 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: more central role if he wasn't already in the way 190 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 2: that the team is being run on a day to 191 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: day basis. Should Flavio Briatore be running a Formula one 192 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: team in twenty twenty five based on the past. I'll 193 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 2: leave that for history to decide, but I have certain 194 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: thoughts on that. The whole thing seems very f one 195 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: of a bygone era, but not f on twenty twenty five, 196 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: and I'll be super keen to see how the two things. 197 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: How is the message managed this weekend at Imola and 198 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: then actually what's going on behind the scenes, because the 199 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: whole thing right now it doesn't feel very Formula one 200 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: to me. It feels like we've moved on from this 201 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: sort of thing and it's entertaining and it generates headlines 202 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 2: and it keeps you up until I'm told hours trying 203 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 2: to make sense of it from the other side of 204 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: the world. But is this Formula one in twenty twenty five, 205 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: because doesn't feel like it to me. 206 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really an interesting point as well, because F one. 207 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: You know, the reason we fremen this nostalgically or otherwise 208 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: about pre qualifying F one and so on is that 209 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: it was F one of a very different time when 210 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: sort of weird and odd behavior and necessarily criminal behavior 211 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: or anything like that. Just like you know, chances in 212 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: F one just having to go was possible because F 213 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: one was far less professional, far less exclusive in environment, 214 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: and far less profitable because it was easy to get involved, 215 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 1: lose all your money and then get out LP. Now, weirdly, 216 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: despite being backed by one of the world's biggest car 217 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: manufacturers in Reno, it is the Reno Works Team. We 218 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: shouldn't forget that just because it runs under the Alpine brand, 219 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: which is a boutique calm manufacturer wholly owned by Reno. 220 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: Shouldn't be behaving like this in this era, you know, 221 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: because in this era is all about informed on stability 222 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: and being profitable and slowly building up. I think Williams 223 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: is a great example, despite not being a works team, 224 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: but you know, was at rock bottom not that long ago, 225 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: but because it just has some solid investment because they 226 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: can only spend so much in F one. These times 227 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: you can find sponsors because that F one's quite popular. 228 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: It shouldn't be that hard to just make gradual steps forward, 229 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: and yet what we've seen from Alpine for the last 230 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: few years is just constant one step forward, two steps backwards. 231 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: You know, the team can argue that maybe Franco Kolopindo 232 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: will be a step forward on Jack doing it remains 233 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: to be seen. I guess that's what They've given him 234 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: many five races, but it's another step backwards in terms 235 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: of the acclimatization of a new driver. He's at least 236 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: five races behind Jack because he also doesn't have the 237 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: benefit of preseason testing. Plus he's got the pressure of 238 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: another five races. That's a step backwards. They've lost another 239 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: team Bridges well, okay, maybe out of their control, but 240 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: the fact they needed a new team principle in the 241 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: first place was because of the the administrative set up 242 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: with Flavierbritory at the top. Need to reshape the team, 243 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: a team that had been reshaped roughly every year for 244 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: the last three years. 245 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: Oh hang on, I've got sorry, mid sentence, We've got 246 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: to pull the curtain back a little bit. 247 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 5: Here. 248 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: You sent me possibly the funniest message you've sent me 249 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: for a while last week, where you said, here is 250 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 2: a list of Alpedes team principles, probably as I don't 251 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: even know if this goes back as far as you've 252 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: been doing f one for Fox and alone for anybody else, 253 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: but it's a list like you could add all of 254 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 2: the other team principal changes for all of the other 255 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: teams in that same window, and I'm not sure that 256 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: they would add up to as many of this if 257 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: you've got that list handy, just lest anyone forget, Yes, actually, 258 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: who's been an Alpine team principal? You and I haven't 259 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 2: been asked yet, but it's probably on the cards given 260 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: the way things are going. Walk us through that list 261 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: of team principles, because you know, I feel like sort 262 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: of pouring a drink out for some of these guys 263 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: because they didn't get much of a didn't get much 264 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: of a go, did they. 265 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, this dates back to twenty twenty, so the last 266 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: year of Reno just before it turns this into the 267 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: Alpine brand in twenty twenty one. That last year was 268 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: headed by Cyril Avitable remember him a long time ago 269 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: in the world Rally Championship. Now I was twenty twenty. 270 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: Then in twenty one they didn't have strictly a team principal, 271 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: but they had davidev Brivio you might remember and continue 272 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: to remember in fact, from Moto GP and Marsin Boukowski, 273 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: who was also in charge various split roles in twenty 274 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: twenty one. Then from twenty twenty two they ditched them 275 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: for odd Marsavnau. He lasted only till the middle of 276 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, when Bruno Faman, who was previously in 277 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: charge of the end of Division, took over. He lasted 278 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: for only one year, until the middle of twenty twenty four, 279 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: at which point Oliver Oaks took over. He lasted only 280 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: until the middle of twenty twenty five, or not even 281 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: in fact, because it's only May twenty twenty five and 282 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: now it's Flavio Briatore for all intents and purposes. The 283 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: press release was unclear whether or not they'd be seeking 284 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: a new team principle or whether he would just step 285 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: into the role he already seems to be undertaking. So 286 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,599 Speaker 1: what's that that is only three, four, five, six, seventeen 287 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: principles in five years, so like one every nine months 288 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: or so. 289 00:12:54,720 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 2: Cyril Avitible was six team principles ago, which is absolutely 290 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: crazy because the reason I remember that so well is 291 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: he was so important in Daniel Ricardo's time there, of 292 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: course at redou and then when Daniel moved across a 293 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 2: Red Bull for nineteen that feels like five lifetimes ago. 294 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: And we can laugh at the length of the list 295 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: and various bit like Bruno Famine to me never looked 296 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 2: like he actually wanted to do it, but it was like, 297 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: come on, mate, you need to take one for the team. 298 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 3: So it kind of felt like his tenure there. 299 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 2: But as much as we can laugh about it, it 300 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: just speaks to the complete chaos that a team that 301 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: could and should be better than this because it has 302 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: the resource and the name in the backing of the 303 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 2: car company, They've almost done the worst possible job with 304 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: the most possible tools to do it with. When you 305 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: look at how some of these other companies, Williams is 306 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: a great example here because rock bottom results wise, but 307 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 2: you can see the way they have methodically built their 308 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 2: way up into being a credible Formula one team and business. 309 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 2: And that word credible is not a word that you 310 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 2: could use it any sentence that has the word alp 311 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: did it following all beforehand at the time being given 312 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: the way things are going there, Look, we know that 313 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: immiler this weekend. Colopino's in the car. We know he 314 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 2: was quick last year. We knew he hit a lot 315 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: of things towards the end of last year. So of 316 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: all the circuits to come back to, when you've not 317 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 2: done a preseason and you've not driven the car and 318 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 2: it's probably going to be cold because it's immilar in May, 319 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: and it's probably going to rain at some point, well, boy, 320 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: I hope they've I hope the dust pan and brush 321 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: is ready because they may be needing it a little 322 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 2: bit this weekend because that's a really tough one to 323 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: come back to. 324 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, just one or two points to wrap up. I 325 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: think it's worth reflecting on the fact that, as we've said, 326 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: this is Reno's works team. It's a manufacturer has the 327 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: money to put into Formula One if it wants. It 328 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: doesn't have to. Obviously, it's already started its engine program, 329 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: which was the only thread that connected it throughout its 330 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: history in Formula One, even when it was opening and 331 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: closing It's works team. At this point, after all those 332 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: team principles, all these changes, someone has to ask a 333 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: whether or not the team's adequately funded. And it doesn't 334 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: have to be because the team is welcome to be 335 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: sold plenty of buyers. But if it really genuinely doesn't 336 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: want to sell the team, as the CEO has said, 337 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: then surely some the responsibility for this mess has to 338 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: be sheeted home to the CEO is ultimately allowing these 339 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: decisions to be made because the team is a mess, 340 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: and it reflects badly on the brand and reflects badly 341 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: unfortunately all the good people who work there, because Alpine's 342 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: historic team at Enstone, a lot of people have worked 343 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: there for a long time. A lot of people have 344 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: worked there in a newer capacity as well, obviously, and 345 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: they deserve a better go at it than they're getting unfortunately. 346 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: I think that's interesting. And then on the Franco Colopinto note, 347 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's unfortunate that this oh, I'm sort of 348 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: into minds, you know, is it better or worse that 349 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: he knows it's five races or just everyone knows it's 350 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: five races and they won't say it publicly, as is 351 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: the case with Jack doin, but I can't help but 352 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: reflect on the fact that you know, last year he 353 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: started to struggle. Wh there are a lot of rumors 354 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: about his situation. He was much better when it was 355 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: sort of a win win situation, when there was no 356 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: chance in getting a cease on the grit and he 357 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: just had to go out and have a good time. 358 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: But I certainly hope he does well. And this is 359 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: not because I mean, I'd love to see Jack doing 360 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: the car obviously, but he's worth a shot in F one. 361 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: He deserved a better shot than this, but he's where 362 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: the shot in F one. I certainly hope as well. 363 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: The Australian fans give and I know they will because 364 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: Straining fans are relatively even minded, a fair minded people, 365 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: I think. And I just draw the contrast between some 366 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: of the negative stuff we've seen unfortunately chasing Jack in 367 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: the last few rounds and some fans, a minority of 368 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: fans from Argentina who have been behaving pretty poorly, and 369 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: I think we certainly don't need to stoop to that. 370 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: Level before you morve us on because we can talk 371 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 2: about LP for possibly the next three and a half hours. 372 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: Here's here's a scenario for you. So we've got this 373 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: five races with Colo Pinto. Let's just say, and we 374 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: don't wish this pot anybody here. Let's say it doesn't 375 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: go very well. Let's say it goes really quite badly. 376 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: Now we know Alpline have about seventeen reserve drivers on 377 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: the book. Books like cush Mine will give you getting 378 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: a call up mid season if this goes wrong? What 379 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: happens here? If this doesn't work with Colopinto, Let's just 380 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: say that the results are the same as what Jack 381 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: doing was doing or worse. You're in this five race situation. 382 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: Can you go back to a driver that you've already 383 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: elbowed out of the way and said, look, we don't 384 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: think you're up to it, and actually we never really 385 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: properly publicly backed you anyway in Jack? Do it as 386 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: you get someone that's gone through their driver account me, 387 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: do you stick with Colopinso if things aren't going too well? 388 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 3: Or what is box C? 389 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: Assuming there is another box to pick at this point, 390 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: because all I've done here is leave themselves open to 391 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 2: if this doesn't work, then what And I don't really 392 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: I don't think there's any good outcomes for anybody in 393 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 2: that situation. Should this not work, It's almost like they've 394 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 2: given him the five races. What if this doesn't work? 395 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 2: And then what do they do? Because the thing's chaotic? Now, 396 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: what happens if they need to go to Plan C 397 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: by the time we get halfway through this season, because 398 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 2: that's roughly when these five races will be over. 399 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good question. I mean there's Paul Arron 400 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: as well on their roster. Who is the most credible 401 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: among the many on there that hasn't already had a 402 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: shot at F one Among Jack Doing and Franco Colopindo 403 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: F two results last year, did only one season of 404 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: F two. He's sitting at this year to be the 405 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 1: reserve driver. He had one feature ace victory, a couple 406 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: of a good few potems. It did finish third in 407 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,239 Speaker 1: the championship standing, so nothing to sniff out. I mean, 408 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: that's about as well as any of the other driver. So 409 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: it's better than Franko Colapinto, I think managed, even though 410 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: that's because he was pulled out of the season halfway 411 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: through last year. So he's as worthwhile as shot as 412 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: any I guess he was dropped by the Mercedes program 413 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, though he was a former 414 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: Mercedes junior, so sort of take from that what you will. 415 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: Alpines clear decided that it's those skin of bit's nosen 416 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: to be fair. Mercedes sort of its pathway is full, 417 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's got Antonelli in there. It thinks to 418 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: Addrussels the long term bat it doesn't really need a 419 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: driver who's on the cusp of F one, so it 420 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: doesn't it's not necessarily a reflection on him. But then you know, 421 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: you're facing the prospect of having a third driver in there. 422 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: Let's just say, by the end of the European season, 423 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: so by the end of Italian Grand Prix, and what 424 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: if all of them are just about as good as 425 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: one another, you know, and what a waste of time 426 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: that is. You know, the team says, okay, it's all 427 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 1: targeted at twenty twenty six, when it hopes to take 428 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: a big step for it wants the right driver lineup. 429 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: But maybe the right driver is the driver who would 430 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: have got the full season to prepare for twenty twenty six, 431 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: and that driver's not going to exist by the end 432 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: of the year at this point. So yeah, it's all 433 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: like you say, I'd be really interested to see how 434 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: they control or to control the message this weekend and 435 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: then obviously how it plays out over the next five 436 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: races and possibly beyond that depending on the decision making. 437 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: But they're certainly starting from a suboptimal position, I think 438 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: for whatever their target. 439 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 3: Is, for good luck to them. 440 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: Before we move on, Matt to our chat with Mario Andretti, 441 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: we're going to get, of course, to move of the week, 442 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: brought to you by Shannon's Supercars and Motor GP in 443 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: action over the course of the weekend MODOGYP in France, 444 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: Supercars down in Tasmania and what caught your eye this weekend. 445 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 2: There was a bit going on in the Lamar MotoGP 446 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: race that I mentioned earlier off the top, but I'm 447 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: going to go for something that was more significant than chaotic, 448 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: in that we had young Spaniard Firmin Aldeger six races 449 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 2: into his Motor GP career, twenty year old rookie in 450 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 2: one of the most chaotic Grand Prix we've seen for many, 451 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 2: many years, with a last few laps overtake on Pedro Costa, 452 00:19:54,840 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 2: the old inverted Cobbas Spanish rising star on a KTM. Yeah, 453 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: taking his first Grand Prix podium on a day where 454 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: plenty of experience heads made absolutely ridiculous mistakes and people 455 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: called the strategy wrong. To have the clarity of thought 456 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: and the composure to be able to steer through all 457 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: that craziness led the race at one point to take 458 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 2: his first Grand Prix podium on a day where a 459 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 2: lot of guys who probably should have could have done 460 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: better didn't. I think a it was significant in the 461 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: moment to pass a cost to take that podium place, 462 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: but also what that means for the future. Yeah, he's 463 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 2: not a fantastic bike. We know how good that took 464 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,239 Speaker 2: AUTI GP twenty four is, but history will show this 465 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 2: was his first Grand Prix on a Grand Prix podium, 466 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 2: on a day where it was very very easy to 467 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: drop the ball. The pass was significant. What it means 468 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 2: going forward was possibly more significant because his arrow after 469 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 2: a first couple of wobbly races, has just been vertical 470 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 2: since then. Really really impressive, really impressive overtake and a 471 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: good execution on a day where lots of things could 472 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 2: have gone wrong. But slightly less mad when I say 473 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 2: slightly than Lemon was obviously the Zupercars in tas I'm 474 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 2: assuming that's where you're going for yours. 475 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: No, actually I was going to because there was three 476 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: races to pick from and there was plenty of action 477 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: in Tasmania. The hairpin is a guaranteed action generator down there. 478 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: But actually I have a remarkably similar pick. It's firm 479 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: and aldegaer. But it was from the sprint, the battle 480 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: for his first inverted Commas podium. I still don't know 481 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: how to refer to sprint statistics in either of our sports, 482 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: but his battle with Quaatearo, I liked it. It was relatively brief, 483 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: well last only round about one lap, but I loved 484 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: the little bit of intimidation Quadao put on him, and 485 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: that he served directly back to him for his first 486 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: podium of description first middle as we call it, like this, 487 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: and then you'd get the real one the next day, 488 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: which is very good. But I just loved the because 489 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: it was also Quaduro's home race and he was on pole, 490 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: and you know, that was his big weekend, and he 491 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: was totally was totally unawed by that situation. He knew 492 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: what he wanted, he knew how the pace to get there, 493 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: he knew he had to put up a tough fight, 494 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: and Quaarao made that very clear, and he did it, 495 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: and he nailed it, and it was clean. It was 496 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: you know, as to the line is, I guess you 497 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: can get with a little bit of contact in Moto GP, 498 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: but it was ultimately clean. I just thought that was 499 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: such a gutsy move, well executed and such a well 500 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: deserved podium. 501 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 5: Man. 502 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: As always, when a rookie driver gets their first podium 503 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: on a sprint in either sport, I'm very pleased when 504 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: they get the real deal the next day, so he 505 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: can stop putting an asterisk against the distant. 506 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 2: Yes, Oscar piastri Quitar sprint race rookie year. Yes, we 507 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 2: don't go through that he's been on the podium. No, 508 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 2: he hasn't been on the podium. We don't have that conversation. 509 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: The thing that made that it's a really good pick 510 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: because the other factor here is that Quatao's at home 511 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 2: and he's fighting like crazy to keep this podium. And 512 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 2: you could hear the annoyance of the ground over the 513 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 2: top of the bikes once Aldea got himself into third place, 514 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 2: and that's one of those ones. If that's gone wrong 515 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: and he ends up put panting Fabio off the track, 516 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: your public enemy number one at Lamov for probably the 517 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: rest of your career. So given the stakes, if that 518 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 2: had gone wrong, that's a very astute pig value. 519 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that just pip some of the supercars action. 520 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: But I love a good rookie who's strutting this stuff 521 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: on the world stage, so it had to be that 522 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: for me. Let's move on now, Matt to our chat 523 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: with Mario Andretti, the nineteen seventy eight world champion. It 524 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: was great to catch up with him in the aftermath 525 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: of the Miami Grand Prix. Of course, as in the background, 526 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: his Cadillac team, on which he is a member of 527 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: the board, is building up to its first season next 528 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: year with the new rules in twenty twenty six. It 529 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,719 Speaker 1: has a factory split across three different at least three 530 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: different locations, might actually be a fourth last checked between Europe, 531 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: the UK and the United States. But of course, the 532 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: big question as we head into the silly season in 533 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: Formula One among the current teams is how Cadillac will 534 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: play its hand filling those two seats. Plenty of rumors 535 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: about who could be filling them, so we go straight 536 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: to the source in our chat with nineteen seventy eight 537 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: Formula one world champion Mario Andretti. 538 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 4: Mario, it's good to see you. 539 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 6: Thank you, my pleasure, thanks for having me. 540 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: The focus of this interview is, of course, the Cadillac project, 541 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: which the countdown is well and truly on for. We 542 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: saw the team launch or the brand launch at the 543 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: Miami Grand Prix just a week or so ago, and 544 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: it's probably less than seven months now. I suppose still 545 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: preseason testing next year whoever's hunting, which means barely half 546 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: a year until Cadillacs first Kyle hit the track. How 547 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: are you feeling about the team's readiness working against the 548 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: clock but also from the sidelines yet to obviously started 549 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: racing inform one? 550 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 5: Well, uh, I think, well, the project is ongoing, has 551 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 5: been ongoing, so I think, uh, you know, from our 552 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 5: standpoint from what I see, and I think we're pretty 553 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 5: much say on schedule. 554 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 6: I don't think there's any panic at the moment. 555 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 5: So yeah, you know, everyone realize, everyone knows what we're 556 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 5: facing the headline, you know, the deadlines and on and 557 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 5: so forth. So no matter where you stand on any 558 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 5: project in a sport, that you always could use more time, 559 00:24:54,840 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 5: But the bottom line, I think we're on We're everything 560 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 5: is progressing. 561 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 2: I'm sure that the to do list gets only slightly 562 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: shorter in the month. Stick via very very quickly, Mario. 563 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 2: But I guess a key question for a lot of 564 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: fans is that everyone wants to know about the team's 565 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: driver lineup, because you know, we're in a situation there's 566 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: relatively few contracts up for renewal at the moment, and 567 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: Cadillac has two seats that are up for grabs, And 568 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 2: part of the willingness to know what's going on for 569 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 2: all the fans is there's these rumors at Sergio Perez 570 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 2: is fairly far down the road of agreeing a deal, 571 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: and so talk to us a little bit about Sergio. 572 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 2: Where does it stand with him? And I'm also wondering, 573 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 2: because he's got such a strong Latin American backing, is 574 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: he a good fit for this team as it starts 575 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 2: to form its identity, because you are starting with a 576 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: blank sheet of paper at the moment, aren't you. 577 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 5: Well, Matt, all I can tell you is that he's 578 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 5: certainly one of the drivers that's been considered. He has 579 00:25:54,920 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 5: to be. I cannot divulge us to where we are 580 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 5: with any commitment whatsoever. I think we want to keep 581 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 5: that luxury to ourselves until we feel that we have 582 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 5: scanned the entire spectrum of availability, if you will. I 583 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 5: think that's a prudent thing to do. So, Yeah, what's 584 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 5: encouraging is that there there is really, uh some good 585 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 5: reaction to. 586 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 6: Individuals that want to join. That's a. That's a I 587 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 6: think that's a good thing for us. 588 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 5: And then then at the same time, uh, the choice 589 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 5: is somewhat limited. You know, let's face it, a lot 590 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 5: of the great talents already under contract. Uh so, but 591 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 5: fortunately still there are a few out there, three or four, 592 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 5: maybe three that certainly deserve consideration. And all of this 593 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 5: has been locked upon very seriously. There's some conversation going 594 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 5: on somewhere and some other where some other places. No, 595 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 5: So that's as far as I can tell you, quite honest, 596 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 5: just to be fair, to be fair to everyone. 597 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,719 Speaker 1: So since this project has started, or since it started, 598 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: even in its endretty phase of the bid, there's been 599 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: a lot of talk about it offering a chance to 600 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: a or an if one chance rather to an American driver. 601 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: And I think we will get it though, you've got 602 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: to find the right one, don't. You can't just pick 603 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: any American who knows how to drive a car and 604 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: put him into Formula one. 605 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 4: The preparation needs to be correct. 606 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: But why has that been such an important part of 607 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: the mission and why does it continue to be part 608 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: of something that may form the future of Catallacs. 609 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 4: Driver Liner Well, I. 610 00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 5: Think, you know, in a truly international series, our series 611 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 5: very internationally, if you look at uh, the roster there 612 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 5: is they are more foreigners than than than you know, 613 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 5: than the homebred uh talent. So h But Formula one again, 614 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 5: every event except you know, US is obviously enjoying three events, 615 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 5: but every other event is happening somewhere else some other continents, 616 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 5: in other country and there's a lot of national pride 617 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 5: goals with that and uh and since we haven't had 618 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 5: a lot of participation as of latent Formula one. 619 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 6: I think to have a vehicle, to have a team 620 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 6: really truly. 621 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 5: Consider you know, American, I think that the yeah, that 622 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 5: the idea of trying to uh uh to look at 623 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 5: probably bring in some talent from here is for real. 624 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 5: But at the same time, you know, especially when you're 625 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 5: starting out, you have to try to consider the team itself, 626 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 5: you know, go on merit if you will. If we 627 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 5: feel that right at the moment, we might wait a 628 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 5: season or so before we bring in an American, So 629 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 5: be it so. As I said, the idea, or the 630 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 5: optimum idea would be if we could definitely say, yes, 631 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 5: we have the American already and at one point maybe 632 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 5: we might have thought so, but we want to keep 633 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 5: that option open, if you will, I think it's really 634 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 5: important to try to arm the team the best way possible, 635 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 5: especially going. 636 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 2: In well and you know we're talking about American drivers 637 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: just there. I think a lot of our listeners would 638 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 2: be pretty astonished to know that you're still the most 639 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 2: recent American Formula On Grand Prix winner if I'm I'm 640 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 2: remembering correctly what Zan vote in seventy eight, if I've 641 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: got my history books right. But I mean, look, I 642 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 2: mean the US. We know how big A contributed to 643 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 2: the US is to the global motorsport fabric, but not 644 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: so much to F One for decades. So from your perspective, 645 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: where are all the American drivers? Like we know they exist, 646 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,719 Speaker 2: But what's this disconnect with Formula one being about? And 647 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 2: I guess the other question with Cadillac coming in, how 648 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: does Cadillac potentially act as a bridge between that possible 649 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 2: disconnect with these good American drivers and Formula one, because 650 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense that you're the most recent Grand 651 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 2: Prix winner in Formula one what forty seven years ago? 652 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 5: Well, yes, but yes, to answer your your the initial 653 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 5: part of the question is the fact that in America 654 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 5: you have series at the highest, at the top level 655 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 5: where you could have a full career and be totally satisfying. 656 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 6: Let's base it. 657 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 5: You know, you have the Endycar Series, you have NASCAR, 658 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 5: the stock cars, and you have IMSA, you know with 659 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 5: the sports borough type. So it's probably the only country 660 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 5: that can offer someone really at top level career, if 661 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 5: you will in motorsport. So you have that and that's why, 662 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 5: you know, Formula One has not been front and center. 663 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 5: But at the same time, many of the European teams 664 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 5: have not looked at our talents very you know, with 665 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 5: a lot. 666 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 6: Of very favorably. 667 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 5: So I think that I like to think that there 668 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 5: are some young talents that actually are looking, would would 669 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 5: like to look at opportunities if they exist, and I 670 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 5: think I like I like to say that we will 671 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 5: open that door, you know, with time, as time comes. 672 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 5: I mean we're talking about you know, having Formula three, 673 00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 5: Formula two in our portfolio and and and maybe you know, 674 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 5: even create some of our own like we've done an IndyCar, 675 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 5: We created champions in a in the lay Series and 676 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 5: all of that and brought them on at that level. 677 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 5: So you know, it's a process. But at the same time, 678 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 5: I think we will create a way of maybe embracing, 679 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 5: you know, some of the talents and not being embraced 680 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 5: at the moment. 681 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: So one drilled down that, I guess because it sort 682 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: of suggests that without have like maybe that gap between 683 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: the US and its homegrown scene and European motorsport has 684 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: got too large. And I remember some comments from of 685 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: course your son Michael, who when he was in F 686 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: one in the nineties, and he made the comment more 687 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: recently as well that he felt there was a certain 688 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: kind of snobbery about drivers from the US. Do you 689 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: think that very much still exists, It sounds like you do. 690 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: And what's it going to take to break that down? 691 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: Is it just getting them in there or does it 692 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: need to be a broad the cultural shift you can 693 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: influence of course, you stepping across two worlds. 694 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 4: I guess personally, well, I. 695 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 5: Can tell you you know firsthand. I mean I've experienced 696 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 5: that I've never felt snopped, you know, in Formula one. 697 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 5: I you know, I beg to differ with Michael quite honestly. 698 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 5: I mean, you earn your way. I mean it's a 699 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 5: way of earning the respect and and you know, I again, 700 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 5: I enjoyed it. 701 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 6: I felt at home immediately. 702 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 5: I was fortunate to be with a top team, you know, 703 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 5: started out my first experience with Lotus and Ferrari and uh, 704 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 5: you know and on. But at the same time, I 705 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 5: again I always felt and I do to today. You know, 706 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 5: I feel very much at home. I mean I'm just talking. 707 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 5: I mean I have a lifetime friendships with mechanics and 708 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 5: just felt the Beakie just this morning, you know, from England, 709 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 5: you know, and we're talking, you know, with about dance 710 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 5: and all the you know, the mechanics that been with 711 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 5: me throughout you know, the championship years and otherwise have 712 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 5: Italian mechanics that work with us and have experience that 713 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 5: we want together. So you know, more sports is you know, 714 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 5: it's worldwide obviously, but still a family. There's a family 715 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 5: feeling to it. I know, I could walk up and 716 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 5: down the Paddock and Lamont and probably out of twenty teams, 717 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 5: maybe fifteen of them, there's someone. 718 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 6: That I worked with, you know. So that's what it is. 719 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 5: You know, I always again feel at home very much. 720 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,720 Speaker 5: And again it's all about, you know, respect and earning 721 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 5: the respect. 722 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 2: I know it takes you a low wall the walk 723 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 2: from one end of the padic to the other at 724 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 2: any circuit aria. But we were talking about US drivers 725 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 2: and how important they are to fun's popularity in the US. 726 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 2: But at the same time, I mean, the US has 727 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 2: now got three races that are basically all sold out 728 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 2: Austin and Vegas and our Miami coming on. The sport 729 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 2: really seems to be in a good place at the 730 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 2: in the US at the moment. So from your perspective, 731 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 2: how is F one viewed there in the sporting landscape, 732 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 2: Because we know how big the US and how the 733 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 2: big sports in the US soak up a lot of 734 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 2: the oxygen. How is F one perceived now within the US? 735 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,439 Speaker 2: And do you think an American driver is the thing 736 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 2: that takes it over the top or is it already 737 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 2: riding this wave of popularity anyway. 738 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 6: Well, I think it's definitely writing a wave of popularity. 739 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 5: Not quite unprecedented, but you still have to feed that. 740 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 5: And as I said, I think there's a lot of 741 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 5: national pride the fact that we have three races here. 742 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 5: Why not have the opportunity, you know, to cultivate and 743 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 5: have some of the US fans root for American. 744 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 6: Drivers at one point. 745 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 5: So I think, like I said, all of this is 746 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 5: looking forward to the future, if you will, But these 747 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 5: are the things to work towards, I think, because it's 748 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 5: all positive. And if you have a bubble like we 749 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 5: do here, you have to keep feeding that bubble. 750 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 6: You don't want to let a birth. 751 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 4: I like that a lot. 752 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: I want to come back to the Cadillac team now, 753 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: I suppose because we've seen over the last six months 754 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: in particular, or since the confirmation was made at the 755 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 1: end of last year, there are a lot of experienced 756 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 1: heads joining the team now. It's certainly building up, and 757 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: like I said, that countdown is on. Next year is 758 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 1: totally up in the air with a big regulation change. 759 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 1: That's the case for every team. So what are those 760 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: experienced guys in the team telling you is realistick to 761 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: achieve or is that just an impossible question when there 762 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: are so many uncertain He's well. 763 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 5: You know, as you said, you know, everyone who started 764 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 5: with a clean sheet of paper, which I think for 765 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 5: a startup team, it's probably the best time. 766 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,720 Speaker 6: To get involved, if you will. 767 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, but you know, anyway you look at it, 768 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 5: you know, there's no guarantee. Everyone is doing the level 769 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 5: best to try to conform. And and you know, reading 770 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 5: regulations is like a lawyer reading the law about proper 771 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 5: interpretation and don't leave anything on the table, you know. 772 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:40,919 Speaker 6: So that's all. 773 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 5: I mean, that's what it is across the board. And 774 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 5: you know, I think we're very fortunate to have a 775 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 5: lot of experience already the team individual that I've started 776 00:37:54,320 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 5: teams before, so that's very valuable, as you can imagine. 777 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 5: And then the other thing that's really interesting, guys is 778 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 5: the fact that I get almost daily letters from young 779 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 5: lads just out of university. I you know, I want 780 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 5: to pursue the career of aerodynamosis, so this and that, 781 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 5: could I please, you know, would consider us joining the 782 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 5: Cadillac team, and uh and all that, and I mean 783 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,439 Speaker 5: I love that, I love that you know, to have 784 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 5: that sort of interest out there that exists within young 785 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 5: lads that are looking forward to a career and and 786 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 5: they would love to even get started with us. I mean, 787 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 5: there's something good about that. And I mean there are apprenticeships, 788 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 5: you know, and then we're looking at all of that. 789 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 5: We're looking at the very seriously at you know, some 790 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 5: of these requests and so on and so forth. So 791 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 5: on the inside here what we're experiencing, there's a lot 792 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 5: of positive energy all around, so that I think is 793 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,720 Speaker 5: very important. 794 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 2: Murray, before we let you go, there's one that I'd 795 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 2: like to finish on because it's probable that the first 796 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 2: race for the team will be Melbourne next year. Obviously 797 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 2: no calendar confirmed, but where a fingers crossed that's going 798 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 2: to be the case. But look, the team's not going 799 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,399 Speaker 2: to carry the Androdi name in the end. But for you, 800 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 2: how proud of a moment will it be when that 801 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 2: first Cadillac car rolls out of pit lane and lines 802 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 2: up on the grid for its first Grand Prix. Given 803 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 2: it's been such a journey to get there, that moment, 804 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 2: that first race must be something that's been in front 805 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,359 Speaker 2: of mind for you for quite some time. 806 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,919 Speaker 6: Now, Well, I'll tell you why. 807 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 5: I will feel very very please, very proud because I 808 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 5: go back the late sixties when I was I remember 809 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 5: at Riverside, California, canam Race, and I just bonded with 810 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 5: the Zora Dante, who was the Belgian who created I 811 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,399 Speaker 5: think that would consider the father of the Corvette, and uh, 812 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:13,280 Speaker 5: he and I being immigrants, you know, myself of Italy 813 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:18,439 Speaker 5: and from Belgium, we sort of came together and uh, 814 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 5: and we were already, you know, somewhat pretty well set 815 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 5: up in the sport. And I kept saying to Zora, 816 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 5: Zora must get General Motors into Formula one and this 817 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 5: is historic, it's coming and uh and the excitement that 818 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 5: I see within the company on the technical. 819 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 6: Side is pure, pure joy, I'm telling you. 820 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,240 Speaker 5: And that's what I that's the part that I really 821 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 5: like the most, that uh, everyone is looking forward to 822 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 5: and uh, when General Motors is ready to put forth 823 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,280 Speaker 5: all of they can contribute, you know, technically to the sport, 824 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 5: it's not a bad thing for or not only for America, 825 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 5: but for the sport itself. 826 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: It is going to be a big moment, like you say, 827 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: for the sport, for everyone watching probably hopefully in Melbourne 828 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: as well, so no bad thing. Mario, the nineteen seventy 829 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: eight form one world champion, thank you so much for joining. 830 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,720 Speaker 6: Us, so we'll have a beer together. 831 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 4: I hold you to it. 832 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 3: You're in. 833 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: That was out chat with nineteen seventy eight world champion 834 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: Mario Andredie was great to see him. He's in great form. 835 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: For a man who's sort of overseeing the setting up 836 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: of a Formula one team, it's no small feet, but 837 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: he was well up for it. 838 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 2: Man eighty five years old and so sharp and so 839 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 2: locked in and knows exactly what's going on. I love 840 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 2: the energy and I love just how on top of 841 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 2: everything he was. He's one of those guys to me 842 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,359 Speaker 2: like you and I have been doing this for too far, 843 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 2: too long in my case and long long but not 844 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 2: as long in your case. But you get so cynical 845 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 2: when you talk to people because it's just as part 846 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 2: of the job. He's a proper legend in this space, 847 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 2: and it's not often that you get, you know, full Wow, 848 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 2: I'm sitting here having a chat with a guy with 849 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,759 Speaker 2: the CV that he's got. Because we're talking about this 850 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,320 Speaker 2: off air, it's easier to list the things he hasn't 851 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 2: won than the things that he has, because this guy 852 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 2: has rated one absolutely everything, and to see him so 853 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 2: involved in a new startup at the age and stage 854 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,399 Speaker 2: of his life that he is, it's it's super cool 855 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 2: that we've got this link back to Formula ones past. 856 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 4: I think. 857 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, his attention will be turning inevitably to the 858 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,760 Speaker 1: Indy five hundred, which is in a couple of weeks, 859 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: I think, and that's one of the many events he's 860 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: known for, and the IndyCar Series, et cetera, a tampcar 861 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 1: whatever it is. Out of the time, our attention will 862 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,879 Speaker 1: be turning to Himilo, whether you Emilia Romania Grand Prix 863 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: were taking place this weekend or to give it its 864 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: full and formal name, the Formula one A w S 865 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: grum Premi or Dalla made in Italy da Milia Romania 866 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five rolls off the tongue? 867 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 4: Does that? That's podcast finished? In fact taken back story, 868 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 4: we are done. 869 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,800 Speaker 2: Yes, that's the first hint of the race. You've just 870 00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 2: got out there. 871 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: But yes there's a little bit of a preview before, 872 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: of course, we get to the action. 873 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:02,280 Speaker 4: This weekend. 874 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 1: This is an important first race in an important set 875 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: of triple Header Grand Prix because we go from here 876 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: to Monaco then in particular, and is there something we'll 877 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 1: be talking about in a couple of weeks the Spanish 878 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: Grand Prix, where there'll be some rule tweaks to the 879 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: flexibility of front wings some teams, in particular Red Bull 880 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 1: Racing is hoping we'll clip McLaren's wings a little bit. 881 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 1: But it's also I think where we're probably going to 882 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: see the last big upgrades for the season, given so 883 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: much attentions on twenty twenty six. So Matt, in a 884 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: brief way before we look to our crystal ball, of 885 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: course and wrap this up, who are you looking at 886 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: most this weekend to get at the beginning of an 887 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: indication of where this season is going, if it is 888 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: to go anywhere other than McLaren domination. 889 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you mentioned the key point there is 890 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 2: that the time for bringing significant upgrades in terms of 891 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 2: money and spend and man hours and what have you, 892 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 2: that's starting to come to a close. So you've got 893 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 2: this triple header. Hear you mentioned the Spanish you know, 894 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,279 Speaker 2: the front wing flexibility, you know, could sack that we've 895 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,400 Speaker 2: got ourselves into. I guess and Redbell hoping that it 896 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,320 Speaker 2: might clip McLaren's wings. But to my mind, who's bringing 897 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 2: things for the first part of this European season. Is 898 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 2: this the last shot of anybody perhaps getting in the 899 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,720 Speaker 2: way of these two McLaren drivers fighting for what seems 900 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 2: to be an inevitable enter team fight for the world championship. 901 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,360 Speaker 2: Curious to see what Ferrari does home territory. We know 902 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 2: that it's been a little bit underwhelming so far. No 903 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 2: sprint this weekend, so no Lewis Hamilton Cano is at 904 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 2: the front end of sprints. But to my mind this 905 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 2: is they will not want to have a race here 906 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 2: just for face saving purposes. That's been as chaotic and 907 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 2: a bit anonymous as some of these races have been. 908 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 2: And I'm looking at Charlclair here because these guys done 909 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 2: well here in the past. Is this a race where Ferrari, 910 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 2: to my mind, like there's a gap here for the 911 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 2: second best team in the sport. We know who the 912 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 2: best team is, there's a gap yere to be filled 913 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 2: for the second best team. If Ferrari's going to inhabit 914 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 2: that for the rest of the season, this kind of 915 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 2: feels like a key weekend to stake your claim for that, 916 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 2: and then maybe you're in the mix to take a 917 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 2: few wins here and there before this season finishes. But 918 00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 2: from your point of view, other than let's just past 919 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 2: McLaren as a side topic here, is there anything else 920 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 2: that's really catching your eye, because you know, look, we're 921 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 2: at round seven and this season is very, very long, 922 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 2: but it gets late early, if you know what I mean, 923 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 2: in terms of getting towards twenty twenty six and the 924 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 2: rule changes coming in. 925 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a great way to sum it up, really, 926 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: because it does feel like we're already at that final 927 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 1: cycle of developments because of the attention of twenty twenty six. 928 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: I think Ferrari, as you said, is a big one. 929 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,880 Speaker 1: They never like to confirm, and they're bringing updates and 930 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,399 Speaker 1: then when they do they're trying and play them down. 931 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: But I believe there'll be some this weekend. They do 932 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: tend to bring them for their home races anyway, and 933 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: boy do they need them. It'll be interesting to see. 934 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 1: It seems like fundamentally the problem is how low they 935 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 1: can run the car they're disqualified from China. When they 936 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,439 Speaker 1: were looking okay and they look pretty awful ever since then. 937 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: But I think the other one really is Red Bull 938 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 1: Racing because it's been interesting to look back on their 939 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: opening few races are opening six races. There's clearly speed 940 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: in that car as there was last year. I suppose 941 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: it's not that different, but evidently very specific conditions in 942 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 1: which it can be unlocked in qualifying pretty well. You know, 943 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: Maxistappens got half the polls this season, but it's about 944 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 1: managing it in race pace. I know they've got some 945 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: upgrades coming. They've also took them down a bit, saying 946 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 1: they're more progressive rather than revolutionary. That's not surprising again 947 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,800 Speaker 1: in the final years of these rules, but it'll be 948 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,800 Speaker 1: important not just for the team's sense of competitiveness, obviously 949 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: that's a big part of it. They don't on this 950 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 1: season just to be a waste behind McLaren, but also 951 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: because of that second driver situation. You know, Yuki Sinoda 952 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: has been there for four races now. He has scored 953 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 1: some points so reasonably quick in qualifying until you get 954 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,799 Speaker 1: to Q three pretty much. Then he sort of hits 955 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,319 Speaker 1: a bit of a brick wall when Max can find 956 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, the typical extra three tents or whatever. 957 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,759 Speaker 4: It is in Q three and. 958 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,800 Speaker 1: Then subsequently in the race is sort of just buried 959 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: lower each of the top ten. Can't do too much 960 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: from there. They need him to start scoring sooner rather 961 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: than later. We've talked before about how you know, Max 962 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,879 Speaker 1: Forstaffand's ongoing commitment to that team could hinge on its 963 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 1: constructors Championship position. It's third, but it's only I think 964 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,720 Speaker 1: about eleven points ahead of Ferrari, which isn't much considering 965 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,960 Speaker 1: Ferrari has two drivers. We know it capable of fighting 966 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: at the front if the car is worthwhile. And then 967 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 1: there's also a rumor it will be Max finishing in 968 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,719 Speaker 1: the top two of the driver's championship, which I think 969 00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 1: is pretty much already gone. They've got to make peace 970 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 1: with that. So they've got to hope that contractual clause 971 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: is in the constructor's title standing. So I think there's 972 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,360 Speaker 1: a lot on the line for Red Bull. They've really 973 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 1: hinged a lot on that rule change in Spain. I 974 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,320 Speaker 1: think there's a little bit more optimism than a reality 975 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: in it, but we'll wait and see. Stranger things have happened, 976 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think they need to show something now 977 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,480 Speaker 1: and not just hope for the rule changes because we 978 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,279 Speaker 1: can't also get you know, it'll be round nine the 979 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,680 Speaker 1: Spanish Grand Prix. They haven't come by surprise. McLaren's been 980 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,680 Speaker 1: preparing for those rule changes as much as any team, 981 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,319 Speaker 1: so even if it hamstrings them a little bit, it's 982 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,239 Speaker 1: not going to be as if the car they were 983 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: racing the weekend before suddenly banned. It'll only be I 984 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,040 Speaker 1: think a smaller shake up, if anything. So an interesting 985 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 1: scene set I think in quite a picturesque location. 986 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 2: To fantastic track. It's one of those ones. I think 987 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 2: this is where you realize that four bulla ones moved on, 988 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,120 Speaker 2: because I still think of Imiler in its sort of 989 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 2: nineties heyday and early two thousands, when you know the 990 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,279 Speaker 2: famous Fernando Alonso Michael Schumacher race there where we first 991 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,319 Speaker 2: looked at ALONSI went, oh boy, like this guy's got 992 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 2: championship qualities about him. But the track almost looks a 993 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,800 Speaker 2: little bit small for the cars these days, they're incredibly fast, 994 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 2: their incredibly impressive performance wise, but that's when you know 995 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 2: you're in Formula one and twenty twenty five because these 996 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,399 Speaker 2: cards are so big and wide. Now that the track 997 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 2: looks a little bit narrow in old school. But we 998 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,800 Speaker 2: were talking about this yesterday on the Bikes podcast. Given 999 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,360 Speaker 2: you're a man who likes to corner numbers rather than 1000 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,720 Speaker 2: corner names, I'm going to revel I'm going to revel 1001 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 2: in some of the names of these fantastic corners and 1002 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,239 Speaker 2: Immalla this weekend with Rivatsa and Aquaminerali and all these 1003 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 2: other great corners, you'll just be calling the turd four. 1004 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 3: But that's another discussion. 1005 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,279 Speaker 1: Ah, I'm an ordered man. You might have to soak 1006 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: them up. Because this is the last year of Imola's 1007 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,360 Speaker 1: contract and we'll wait for news on whether it's going 1008 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,160 Speaker 1: to get a new deal, whether it's rotating or not, 1009 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 1: whether it's just off the calendar potentially this week, but 1010 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: we'll wait and see. However, Fine wants to play that. 1011 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,399 Speaker 1: And on that note map, before we wrap up, we've 1012 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: got to go to the crystal ball, brought to you 1013 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,440 Speaker 1: via complete home filtration. Just one race this weekend. It 1014 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,400 Speaker 1: is the Immediat Romagna Grand Prix. What are you predicting for? 1015 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:55,799 Speaker 1: This doesn't have to be this weekend, as we say 1016 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,080 Speaker 1: every week, but what are you predicting? 1017 00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:58,239 Speaker 3: My crystal ball? 1018 00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:59,719 Speaker 2: And I'm only going to mention this because it's been 1019 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,920 Speaker 2: so good lately, has been absolutely on fire at the 1020 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,719 Speaker 2: start of the season, complete rubbish. Let's never discuss that again. 1021 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 2: But given that I'm on a bit of a run 1022 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,480 Speaker 2: with this, I've just worked out that it's about forty 1023 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,760 Speaker 2: one kilometers down the Alto Strada from Bologna to Imola. 1024 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,080 Speaker 2: So I'm predicting Kimmi Antonelli's first Formula One podium this 1025 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 2: weekend at the most home of home Grand Prix. We 1026 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,799 Speaker 2: know Mercedes has had George Russell on the podium four 1027 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,120 Speaker 2: times in six Grand Prix, which is testament to the 1028 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,680 Speaker 2: great season that he's having, but I don't think it 1029 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,560 Speaker 2: shows the performance gap between Russell and Antonelli, because Antonelli 1030 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,160 Speaker 2: has been particularly good. I think this weekend is the 1031 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,880 Speaker 2: weekend he stands on the rostrum in a Grand Prix 1032 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,480 Speaker 2: for the first time. But clearly my crystal ball is 1033 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,080 Speaker 2: better than yours. But I'll give you a chance to 1034 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 2: redeem yourself. What are you seeing in your crystal ball 1035 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 2: for this weekend? 1036 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,400 Speaker 1: I think this one must be certain assume well, I 1037 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:49,840 Speaker 1: certain assume he's going to be at the track, But 1038 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 1: I think this weekend Jack Dewan is going to get 1039 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 1: more screen time than he ever has this season by 1040 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,839 Speaker 1: some tactical snitching from the TV director crossing to him. 1041 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,600 Speaker 1: Every time Franco Colopindo's on track in the garage, you 1042 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,880 Speaker 1: can be looking determined and serious with their headphones on. 1043 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,040 Speaker 1: I assume we'll be considering he's the preferred reserve driver. 1044 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,719 Speaker 1: He must be at the track, So I think we're 1045 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,799 Speaker 1: going to see a lot more of Jackdomin than we're 1046 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,080 Speaker 1: used to on the televisions unfortunately, but hey, maybe in 1047 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,000 Speaker 1: five races we'll see him back in the cockpit. 1048 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:16,759 Speaker 4: Who's to say. 1049 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,480 Speaker 1: And on that note, that's all the time we have 1050 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,000 Speaker 1: for pit Talk today. You can subscribe to Pittalk wherever 1051 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,920 Speaker 1: you get your favorite podcasts, and you can leave us 1052 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,320 Speaker 1: a rating and review as well. 1053 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,000 Speaker 4: This weekend it's just Formula one. 1054 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,399 Speaker 1: It's the Emlia Romagna Grand Prix with lights out at 1055 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 1: eleven pm on Sunday, and you can keep up to 1056 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,160 Speaker 1: date with all the later steff one news as well 1057 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,719 Speaker 1: as news from the worlds of supercars and MotoGP at 1058 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,400 Speaker 1: Foxsports dot com dot Au from Matt Payton and me, 1059 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,239 Speaker 1: Michael Lomonado, thanks very much for your company, and we'll 1060 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:40,959 Speaker 1: catch you next week.