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Speaker 1: Well, hello, they're healthy Ish listeners. I hope you are

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Speaker 1: feeling well metabolically healthy, and if not, you have come

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Speaker 1: to the right place. You of course have tuned into

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Speaker 1: the daily podcast and brod in Soul. I am Felicity Harley,

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Speaker 1: and my guest today is brilliant and she's going to

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Speaker 1: help you determine whether you are metabolically healthy or not.

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Speaker 1: She's a naturopathic doctor, women's health expert and author of

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Speaker 1: new book, The Metabolism researt Her name is Lara Brydon,

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Speaker 1: and she is going to help us make sense of

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Speaker 1: metabolic health. If you like what you hear from Lara,

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Speaker 1: and I know that you will make sure you're listening

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Speaker 1: to extra Healthy Ish, where we take a deep dive

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Speaker 1: into all things metabolism. You can search for that wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Lara, welcome to healthy Ish. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me, and well done on your new book.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's how do I describe this? It's just packed with

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Speaker 1: so much good info and I feel like it's that

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Speaker 1: put down, pick up kind of book. And so I

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Speaker 1: guess that it took a long time to write.

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Speaker 2: It did about about a year and a half with

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Speaker 2: some input from various other experts for which I'm very grateful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, there is one question that jumped down that

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Speaker 1: I want you to answer for me, and that was

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Speaker 1: from your husband, yerhaps expert, perhaps not, and he asked,

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Speaker 1: in what way is metabolic health different from just health?

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Speaker 2: I know, think of it this way. Metabolic health is

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Speaker 2: about yourselves having all the energy they need to do

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Speaker 2: whatever it is they need to do. So good. Underlying

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Speaker 2: metabolic health can support healthy immune system, healthy digestion, healthy

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Speaker 2: mental health. There's actually a big metabolic mental health movement

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Speaker 2: going on at the moment, and healthy female hormone health.

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Speaker 2: And so that's the bridge from my previous work because

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Speaker 2: my real passion is menstruation, perimenopause, female hormones. And from

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Speaker 2: twenty five years of working with patients, plus writing my

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Speaker 2: other two books, I was able to see quite clearly

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Speaker 2: that metabolic health can be a major factor in women's health.

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Speaker 1: How can you tell, I mean, in a nutshell, I

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Speaker 1: suppose if you're metabolically healthy or unhealthy Because we can't

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Speaker 1: look at ourselves, so what are some size exactly?

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Speaker 2: You can't actually zoom in and ask your mitochondria or

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Speaker 2: the parts of yourself. I mean that would be you

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Speaker 2: doing are getting enough energy today, but you can feel

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Speaker 2: whether you're getting enough energy. So one of the first

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Speaker 2: signs of something called metabolic inflexibility as opposed to metabolic flexibility,

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Speaker 2: is being less able to access your own body fat

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Speaker 2: stores for energy, and that can lead to finding it

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Speaker 2: very difficult to go between meals without reaching for a snack.

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Speaker 2: That's a common experience. That's not someone's fault. That's the

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Speaker 2: fact that their bodies, all the nuts and bolts of

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Speaker 2: metabolism are not able to tap into that energy source

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Speaker 2: the way they should be. And of course that's reversible.

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Speaker 2: So that's the point of the book, is to return

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Speaker 2: to a place where you can access your body fat

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Speaker 2: stores for energy. The other aspect, important aspect of metabolic

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Speaker 2: dysfunction is having something called insulin resistance. I know from

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Speaker 2: experience with my patients and my followers, and everyone half

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Speaker 2: tunes out when they hear that term. It needs a rebranding.

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Speaker 1: But it does, doesn't it because it sounds very sciencey

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Speaker 1: and oh, I don't even want to think of I

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Speaker 1: know that, how would you rebrand it?

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Speaker 2: I think it's something in the word resistance that people

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Speaker 2: feel immediately that sounds hard.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So.

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Speaker 2: Insulin resistance is the state of having chronically elevated levels

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Speaker 2: of the hormone insulin. One of the most important downstream

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Speaker 2: effects of that is insulin. Chronically elevated insulin impairs fat

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Speaker 2: trying to get insulin down. So maybe chronically elevated insulin

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Speaker 1: That sounds a bit more serious.

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Speaker 2: I guess it does.

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Speaker 1: Does That could be a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But people are familiar with having high cortisol. For example,

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Speaker 2: High insulin helps communicate a bit more what's going on,

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Speaker 2: and of course, untreated, it can progress to pre diabetes

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Speaker 2: and eventually type two diabetes. It's also called metabolic syndrome

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Speaker 2: in the science. When I was looking at all the

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Speaker 1: I agree we should go back to that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, metabolic syndrome is the cluster of high

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Speaker 2: hope I've managed to communicate in the book. And the

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Speaker 2: weight associated with insulin resistance is inside the abdomen. It's

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Speaker 1: So what's your I mean is what's your advice around

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Speaker 1: determining whether you're insulin resistance as a matter of just

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Speaker 2: Triglycerides are an excellent starting place. I was just I

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Speaker 2: don't ever complicate things. High triglyss rides are a really

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Speaker 2: good surrogate biomarker for insulin resistance. But I dedicated a

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Speaker 2: common tests that people might already have on their reports

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Speaker 2: from their GP. You can also measure the hormone insulin,

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Speaker 2: and I talk about that in the book. But just

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Speaker 2: an important takeaway is that having a normal blood glucose

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Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Yeah, Actually, I just wore a CGM for

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Speaker 1: really I mean, I love trying everything, and I just

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Speaker 2: Thing or right? So that's measuring glucose. Yes, sorry, insulin. Yes,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people do kind of conflict.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there we go. Yes, but they just completely joined.

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Speaker 2: The two importantly with insulin resistance. With chronically elevated insulin,

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Speaker 2: people can and do have episodes of low blood sugar.

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Speaker 2: Oh interesting, So it's not synonymous with high blood sugar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to mention something else in your

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Speaker 1: And you talk a lot about taking the shame out

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Speaker 1: of well metabolic dysfunction and that it's not our fault.

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Speaker 2: It started through generations ago because of something called epigenetics,

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Speaker 2: which is we've only discovered we only known about epigenetics

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Speaker 2: amplifying of that. Every generation is born with a greater

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Speaker 2: of course that doesn't mean you know, it's written in

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Speaker 2: still reverse it. But of course the scientists are scrambling

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Speaker 1: And I think you take the just takes a bit

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Speaker 1: of the guilt, the self guilt out of But I

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Speaker 1: can't make healthy decisions all the time. Well, no, because

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Speaker 1: we live in this environment where signs are shouting at us,

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Speaker 1: prices are low. You know, there's not enough fresh fruit

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Speaker 2: And another takeaway, one of the most important symptoms of

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Speaker 2: abnormally high hunger. So given that's a common almost everyone

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Speaker 2: who has insulin resistance is probably going to have that symptom.

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Speaker 2: Given that fact, how cool is it that we just

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Speaker 2: tell people to try to eat less?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, cruel? Now, just quickly before we go, what's one

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Speaker 2: What I do isn't necessarily what's going to work for

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Speaker 2: every single person. I mean, just as an example, I

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Speaker 2: just because I find that really stabilizes my energy throughout

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Speaker 2: as you know, the book is a troubleshooting manual to

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Speaker 2: each individual person. But a really simple one that probably

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Speaker 2: everyone needs to do if they're not doing it already,

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Speaker 2: is to cook at home most of the time. Ah good,

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Speaker 2: I know that's hard, but doable.

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Speaker 1: Lara, thank you for coming on healthy Ish.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel you want to know more? After hearing

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Speaker 1: from Lara, She's great, isn't she. I really enjoyed chatting

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Speaker 1: to her. Well, there is more and it is in

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Speaker 1: the book, her book, her new book. It is called

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Speaker 1: The Metabolism Reset, and it is out now. If you

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