WEBVTT - Sharri | 3 December

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Sharry Good Evening.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we've got just under two weeks left until the

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas break. That's seven shows and you don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>miss any of them. Coming up tonight to Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 3>putting Joe Biden to shame before he's even in the

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<v Speaker 3>White House's threatening to rain down hell on America's enemies.

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<v Speaker 3>James Patterson will join me to discuss whether Alban Easy

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<v Speaker 3>and Penny Wong should take a leaf out of Trump's playbook.

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<v Speaker 3>Also tonight, the economist calling out Labour's reckless spending will

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<v Speaker 3>be on the show. Chris Richardson says families are getting

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<v Speaker 3>less as the taxman is getting more. That interview coming up,

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<v Speaker 3>and the academic who seems to be protected by Sydney

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<v Speaker 3>University despite a police investigation and threats made to hosts.

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<v Speaker 2>Here on Sky News, Carolyn.

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<v Speaker 3>Marcus will share her exclusive with us plus our much

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<v Speaker 3>loved and famous Christmas light displays under threat thanks to

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<v Speaker 3>soaring power bills. I'll talk about that a bit later

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<v Speaker 3>on and tonight a topic close to my heart. A

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<v Speaker 3>new United States report to tay concluded that COVID originated

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<v Speaker 3>in a wu hand lab I'll speak about that with

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<v Speaker 3>Bronwan Bishop and Kayleb Bond in a moment also on

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<v Speaker 3>the show Tonight, Meet the newest Liberal pre selected to

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<v Speaker 3>try win back a seat from a Teal his first

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<v Speaker 3>interview tonight. But now another politician has come out today

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<v Speaker 3>to accuse Albanzi of not telling the full story on

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<v Speaker 3>those environmental laws. We've been speaking about how Albanezi torpedoed

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<v Speaker 3>a deal that Tanya Plibisek had done with the Greens.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 3>Denied a deal had been done, acting as if Plebisek

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<v Speaker 3>was from another political party, not a senior cabinet minister.

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<v Speaker 4>These environment laws. Clearly a deal was either close or,

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<v Speaker 4>according to the Greens, was done.

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<v Speaker 5>They reckon you did.

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<v Speaker 6>Course say that, no, we hadn't, and they don't say

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<v Speaker 6>that David, there if no one in the Green says

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<v Speaker 6>that I agreed to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly there was an agreement.

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<v Speaker 3>It just wasn't with Albanizi himself, it was with his minister.

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<v Speaker 3>And now today more evidence is building that Albanezi misled

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<v Speaker 3>the public when he claimed a deal hadn't been done.

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<v Speaker 3>Independent Senator for the Act David Pocock has come out

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<v Speaker 3>to say that as far as.

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<v Speaker 2>He was concerned a deal had been done.

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<v Speaker 7>I certainly thought we had a deal. Municipal of Sec

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<v Speaker 7>was a good faith negotiator in this. I thought we'd

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<v Speaker 7>landed at a point where where everyone was happy. And

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<v Speaker 7>it's incredibly disappointing that neither the Greens nor the PM

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<v Speaker 7>seemed to want to be able to sort of really

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<v Speaker 7>prioritize this, and I think internal party politics probably got

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<v Speaker 7>in the way.

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<v Speaker 3>At the end of the day, clearly there was a

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<v Speaker 3>deal ready to be signed, sealed and delivered, but Albinizi

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<v Speaker 3>killed it off, realizing it would cost votes in Wa

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<v Speaker 3>after an intervention from Wa Premier Roger Cook.

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<v Speaker 2>The laws were radical and should never have gone ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>But the point is this is disunity at the highest

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<v Speaker 3>level of the Albanese government. It's the Prime minister undermining

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<v Speaker 3>and gas lighting a senior cabinet minister and its poor

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<v Speaker 3>treatment of a senior woman. The rift between Albanesi and

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<v Speaker 3>Plibasek is now causing internal angst in the Labor Party.

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<v Speaker 2>But this saga also shows how.

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<v Speaker 3>Sketchy Albanzi can be with the truth, how he doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>feel the public necessarily has a right to know the

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<v Speaker 3>honest truth behind why some laws go ahead and others don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember this is the man who promise to do politics differently,

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<v Speaker 3>who promised transparency.

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<v Speaker 6>The truth is that where an open transparent party for

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<v Speaker 6>there needs to be complete transparency. What we need is

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<v Speaker 6>a prime minister who's prepared to be transparent, a more

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<v Speaker 6>honest and transparent a government going forward who will make

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<v Speaker 6>it transparent but being transparent.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was before the election campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>Promises clearly don't count, not as far as Albinizi is concerned.

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<v Speaker 3>And today Peter Dutton is highlighting another broken promise that

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<v Speaker 3>power bills would be two hundred and seventy five dollars cheaper.

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<v Speaker 3>He claims it's been three years to the day that

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<v Speaker 3>Albanizi made this now failed promise, and he didn't.

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<v Speaker 6>Just promise at once two hundred and two hundred and

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<v Speaker 6>two hundred and seventy five.

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<v Speaker 4>DOLLARSS Labour said at ninety seven times before the last election.

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<v Speaker 5>But what's he delivered?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, electricity prices are now up to one thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 8>more than what Labor promised.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, power bills and energy will be a key election

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<v Speaker 3>issue and if there are blackouts across Australia this summer.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Bowen and Alban Easy will be held responsible and

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<v Speaker 3>it'll be yet another reason for voters to abandon alban Easy.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is on top of the growing list so far,

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<v Speaker 3>which includes government spending skyrocketing, and we'll talk about that

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<v Speaker 3>with Chris Richardson later, the cost of living crisis deepening

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<v Speaker 3>while countries around the world are emerging from the woods,

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<v Speaker 3>the Big Australia policy, the housing affordability crisis, and the

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<v Speaker 3>devastating issue of anti Semitism and lawlessness that's been compared

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<v Speaker 3>with nineteen thirties Europe. All of this under Albanesi's watch.

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<v Speaker 3>It's no wonder the coalition has now overtaken labor in newspot.

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<v Speaker 3>Albin Easy, you'd have to say, is a failed prime

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<v Speaker 3>minister who doesn't deserve to be sitting in the lodge.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump has today come out swinging in full support

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<v Speaker 3>of the one hundred and one innocent hostages remaining in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>He has threatened that if the hostages aren't released by

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<v Speaker 3>January twenty, there will be hell to pay.

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<v Speaker 2>He's said on social media.

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<v Speaker 3>If the hostages are not released prior to January twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty five, the date that I proudly assume office

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<v Speaker 3>as President of the United States. There will be all

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<v Speaker 3>hell to pay in the Middle East, and for those

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<v Speaker 3>in charge who perpetrated these atrocities against humanity. He said,

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<v Speaker 3>those responsible will be hit harder than anybody has been

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<v Speaker 3>hit in the long and storied history of the United

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<v Speaker 3>States of America. Well, that's deterrence, and that's what strength

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<v Speaker 3>and determination looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you'd have to go back and think. Think, what

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<v Speaker 2>were the strongest.

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<v Speaker 3>Words the current President, Joe Biden ever said about the hostages.

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<v Speaker 3>Mostly the attitude of the Biden administration was to put

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<v Speaker 3>pressure on Israel for not doing enough to release them.

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<v Speaker 3>There's been absurd victim blaming. There was certainly more pressure

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<v Speaker 3>on Israel than on Hermas.

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<v Speaker 9>There the civilian suffering of the Palace Indian people, and finally, finally,

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<v Speaker 9>finally deliver a cease firing in this war.

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<v Speaker 10>For months, people all over the world have called for ceasefire.

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<v Speaker 10>I've consistently pressed for a pause in the fighting for

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<v Speaker 10>two reasons, to accelerate and expand humanitarian assistance going into Gaza,

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<v Speaker 10>and two to facilitate the release of hostages.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean just asking for a cease fire, not demanding

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<v Speaker 3>and forcing, as the leader of the free world, should

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<v Speaker 3>that the terrorists released the hostage, who, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>include American citizens, And unlike Trump's clear threat to the

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<v Speaker 3>barbaric terrorists that they'd be held to pay, well, this

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<v Speaker 3>was Biden's weak message to Iran.

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<v Speaker 5>It would have apprisedge to Iran in this moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't don't, And in his delusional state, perhaps he thought

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<v Speaker 3>his message resonated because he repeated it on other occasions

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<v Speaker 3>as well.

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<v Speaker 10>What is your message to Hezbollah and its backer Iran, don't.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't, don't don't.

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<v Speaker 3>The Ayatolas of Iran were hardly quaking in their boots,

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<v Speaker 3>and in response to Biden's one word message, what did

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<v Speaker 3>Tehran do will? It launched unprecedented direct attacks on Israel,

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<v Speaker 3>including a barrage of.

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<v Speaker 2>Two hundred ballistic missiles.

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<v Speaker 3>Biden also did everything he could to work against Israeli

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<v Speaker 3>Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahoo. Biden made demands that Netanyaho not

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<v Speaker 3>go into Rafa, where the hostages were being held. He

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<v Speaker 3>demanded he let Nozralla live. He demanded there be no

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<v Speaker 3>ground invasion. This despite the fact that four hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three days on, there are still one hundred hostages

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<v Speaker 3>held captive by Hamas and other terror groups in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>They've been in the dark dungeons, underground, starved, beaten, and

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<v Speaker 3>some execute it. It's thought, but we don't know for sure,

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<v Speaker 3>that about half are still alive. Those who are still

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<v Speaker 3>there include baby Kafir, his brother Ariel, and their mother.

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<v Speaker 2>And it breaks my heart to think of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Baby Kafir never even got to celebrate his first birthday

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<v Speaker 3>in the outside world before he was dragged away by

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<v Speaker 3>bloodthirsty terrorists to the hell hell of underground tunnels. It's

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<v Speaker 3>beyond devastating to think of that, and yet no one

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<v Speaker 3>speaks about the hostages.

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<v Speaker 2>No one does anything.

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<v Speaker 3>When I was in Israel, I spoke to two former

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<v Speaker 3>hostages and they told me just how bad the conditions were.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them a sixty three year old Aviva Siegel.

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<v Speaker 3>She was kidnapped in her pajamas from her bed. She

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<v Speaker 3>said she could barely breathe in the tunnels.

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<v Speaker 11>The conditions were the worst conditions that you can think about.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought that I'm going to die. The kid's

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<v Speaker 2>going to die.

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<v Speaker 3>She spoke about how Palestinian civilians celebrated as she was

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<v Speaker 3>dragged terrified into Gaza. She said it was like a

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<v Speaker 3>party for them. And her husband, Keith is still captive

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<v Speaker 3>and she can only pray that he's alive and he's

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<v Speaker 3>an American citizen. By the way, the American president should

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<v Speaker 3>have done everything in his power to try and secure

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<v Speaker 3>the release of American hostages, but Biden hasn't, and more

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<v Speaker 3>than four hundred days on, Trump is now threatening brutal

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<v Speaker 3>hell if the hostages aren't released, and it's a threat

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<v Speaker 3>he made after having dinner with Israeli Prime Minister Nettiyahu's

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<v Speaker 3>wife Sara, and sanyayir At Mari Lago and Sarah did

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<v Speaker 3>discuss the plight of the hostages at that dinner with Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a strong signal that Trump and Neettiyahoo will be

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<v Speaker 3>able to work together to defeat terrorism, to bring home

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<v Speaker 3>the hostages, and to stop Iran's aggression. It's been long enough.

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<v Speaker 3>Strong action needs to be taken. We've been begging for

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<v Speaker 3>international leadership, and finally we're starting to see that leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>We can hope that this determination and strong approach from

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<v Speaker 3>Trump has a chance of working. Because Joe Biden's approach

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<v Speaker 3>of appeasement, of going softly softly with terrorists, Well it

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<v Speaker 3>was never going to work. All right, Another big show ahead,

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<v Speaker 3>as I said, Leading economist Chris Richardson will join me

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<v Speaker 3>live later on, plus James Patterson and Carolyn Marcus all

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<v Speaker 3>coming up. But now let's bring in former Speaker of

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<v Speaker 3>the House Bronwin Bishop and Stein New's host Caleb Bond.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to you both. Great to see you, as always

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<v Speaker 2>in a Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to ask you your reaction to David Pocock,

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<v Speaker 3>the Independent Senator coming out today to dispute Albanezi's version

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<v Speaker 3>of events that there wasn't a deal on the environmental laws.

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<v Speaker 12>You don't have to be very bright to figure out

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<v Speaker 12>there was a deal done by Plibasic and that Alberanize

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<v Speaker 12>you spoke to the Premier of Western Australia. This will

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<v Speaker 12>put the seats. It was plask out, so all the

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<v Speaker 12>people who thought they were going to get this deal,

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<v Speaker 12>which was hideous for Australia. So I'm rather pleased we've

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<v Speaker 12>ulled out of it. Otherwise it would be up to

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<v Speaker 12>Prime Minister Dunton to reverse it. So but equally he's

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<v Speaker 12>simply took and the bad blood between two to six.

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<v Speaker 12>And Albanesi is palpable for all to see. First of all,

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<v Speaker 12>he thought he could bury it, bury her in the

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<v Speaker 12>environmental portfolio. Yeah, and that's turned out to come back

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<v Speaker 12>and bite him.

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<v Speaker 2>She's causing him ASTs of problems.

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<v Speaker 12>Which he has so and of course they are they're rivals.

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<v Speaker 12>There are seats next door to each other and both

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<v Speaker 12>on the left. And she had the temerity to come

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<v Speaker 12>out as deputy b deputy prime minister when or would

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<v Speaker 12>be deputy Prime Minister to shortened when Albanesi thought that

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<v Speaker 12>was his kid. So there's there's lots of things.

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<v Speaker 3>And he'd be worried about her as a future leadership

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<v Speaker 3>rival as well. But Caleb, you know what about the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that he has effectively, as I said, undermined and

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<v Speaker 3>gas lit a senior woman in his cabinet. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>he claimed Scott Morrison had a woman problem. Look, he

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<v Speaker 3>is treating the scene a female and his own.

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<v Speaker 1>Dis It's a very good point. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hardly reeks of cabinet government, does it. It reminds

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<v Speaker 1>me a bit of his matedown in Victoria. Daniel Andrews

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<v Speaker 1>who ruled the cabinet with an iron fist. It was

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<v Speaker 1>Dan's way or the highway, and he was very effective

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<v Speaker 1>in consolidating power by threatening the members of his own

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<v Speaker 1>cabinet and saying, well, if you want to stay here,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to join my faction. I mean, he managed

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<v Speaker 1>to turn the Treasurer Tim Pallas from the right to

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<v Speaker 1>the socialist left. How does that happen unless you put

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<v Speaker 1>a gun against someone's head. The problem for Elbow now

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<v Speaker 1>is I think we're talking about exactly this last week

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<v Speaker 1>on this panel. He has basically nothing to point to

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<v Speaker 1>as an achievement. While he has been Prime Minister going

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<v Speaker 1>into the next federal election and in getting rid of

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<v Speaker 1>the FEDERALLYPA, which was an election promise as bad as

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<v Speaker 1>a proposal it might have been. He's broken a promise

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<v Speaker 1>and he's next one of the only things that he

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<v Speaker 1>could have said, oh yeah, we actually did something that

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<v Speaker 1>was on our policy platform, because he's realized, oh well,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll get us in trouble. Like Bronwin said in Western Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>the man has no principles. He's realized now that he's

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<v Speaker 1>cooked and he's doing everything he can to go backward.

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<v Speaker 1>To one hundred miles an hour in the hope that

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<v Speaker 1>it will save him at the next federal election. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a little bit late for that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so frustrating when politicians campaign on transparency and accountability

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<v Speaker 3>actually a bit like the Teals, and then they go

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<v Speaker 3>on to do the exact opposite.

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<v Speaker 12>I don't think any of them can spell transparency letter

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<v Speaker 12>known know what it means. Yeah, indeed, all right, I

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<v Speaker 12>think you're a bit kind about saying ab and as

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<v Speaker 12>he had a steel fist.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, it's a bit of a lympnos I suspect,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know he's giving it a go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I actually think it's the opposite.

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<v Speaker 3>He lets the ministers do whatever they want. He's not

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<v Speaker 3>across the detail. He tries to pretend that's a good thing,

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<v Speaker 3>but really he's just too lazy to do the work

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<v Speaker 3>to get across the detail.

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<v Speaker 12>He's already checked out personally.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he is living in the Copacabana Clift Up mansion.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's dreams already. All right.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Amo is warning that gas supplies need to now

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<v Speaker 3>be carefully managed heading into summer, or else there'll be

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<v Speaker 3>a risk that the energy grid stability will be damaged

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<v Speaker 3>or will be volatile across the East coast.

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<v Speaker 2>Run when this is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yet another warning from a EMO that you know we

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<v Speaker 3>have a vulnerable energy grid.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, a bit to catch up, aren't they, because there

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<v Speaker 12>are lots of us saying this is a problem, that

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<v Speaker 12>it is all going to happen, and Albow will be

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<v Speaker 12>regretting the fact that he didn't go on the seventh

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<v Speaker 12>of December when they were all ready to go. Lost

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<v Speaker 12>their nerve because it's not going to get any better. Blackouts,

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<v Speaker 12>more strikes, people who are cancelling, more deals, the whole scene.

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<v Speaker 12>There'll be no red cup. The whole thing is going

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<v Speaker 12>to get worse blowouts from the budget which will become

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<v Speaker 12>more apparent. There's no way they're having another budget. So

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<v Speaker 12>when we see AMO come out like this and suddenly

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<v Speaker 12>admit what we've all known, that blackouts are on the

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<v Speaker 12>horizon and that the gas hasn't been produced, and at

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<v Speaker 12>about time they demanded of those people who own those

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<v Speaker 12>coal fire power stations to up the maintenance and have

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<v Speaker 12>them ready to go because they're getting to be needed.

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<v Speaker 3>It makes people so angry when we think that we've

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<v Speaker 3>been exploiing so much gas.

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<v Speaker 1>Caleb, Yeah, well, we don't really have a gas reserve

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<v Speaker 1>in this country, which is insane, and the gas reserves

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<v Speaker 1>held by our allies have been depleted in recent years

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<v Speaker 1>that the US gas reserves were at their lowest point

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<v Speaker 1>I think in forty years. Last year they've started building

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<v Speaker 1>that back up again. But we have so much gas

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<v Speaker 1>in this country, particularly in places where we can't extract it,

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<v Speaker 1>including Victoria, which will be the most reliant on gas

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<v Speaker 1>if things go wrong over summer. By the way, it

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<v Speaker 1>was only last year, or might have be been earlier

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<v Speaker 1>this year where the Victorian government finally opened up the idea.

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<v Speaker 1>So oh, yes, we can drill for gas in Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>in but of course no one wants to go and

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<v Speaker 1>spend the money because they know that it was banned

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<v Speaker 1>for a decade under Andrews, So why would you bother

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<v Speaker 1>going to do that. We don't use the resources that

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<v Speaker 1>we have in this country, whether it's uranium or coal

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<v Speaker 1>or gas. We send it all overseas for other people

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<v Speaker 1>to burn, and we used to go a lot. We're

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<v Speaker 1>doing the great thing for the environment here. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter where you burn it. We all live in the

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<v Speaker 1>same world, So why don't we just keep some for

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves so we can have cheap and reliable energy. Otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>you end up like South Australia, where now the Energy

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<v Speaker 1>Minister Tom kots and Thomas is begging for Eneri to

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<v Speaker 1>put two diesel generators back in the market.

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<v Speaker 3>How's that for queen and green energy insanity? Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 3>turn to the US now. A congressional subcommittee today has

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<v Speaker 3>declared that COVID nineteen most likely originated in a lab

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<v Speaker 3>in Wuhan. This finding was part of a five hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and twenty page report after a two year investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>China has tonight hit back, have a look.

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<v Speaker 11>Lape origin of the pandemic is extremely unlikely. The United

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<v Speaker 11>States should immediately stop weaponizing and politicizing this issue. Stop

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<v Speaker 11>sling maud.

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<v Speaker 3>Or the ABC the whole way alongsided with China claimed

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<v Speaker 3>this was a conspiracy branwin.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet now in this report.

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<v Speaker 3>Even more official you know evidence, Yet no apology to

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<v Speaker 3>viewers by the ABC for misleading.

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<v Speaker 12>Them not to mention your excellent book. Thank you very well, researched,

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<v Speaker 12>very well, presented in a slam deck case. Yes, of

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<v Speaker 12>course it came out of Wuvan, Of course it did.

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<v Speaker 12>The Chinese could just as easily be, mister Fauci, because

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<v Speaker 12>he was. He was complicit the whole deal too, in

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<v Speaker 12>my estimation. So I just think that the Chinese don't

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<v Speaker 12>want to lose face. That's their problem. They don't want

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<v Speaker 12>to lose face, says I'll hit out and hit out,

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<v Speaker 12>but it will become quite apparent, as it did to

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<v Speaker 12>many of us very early on that of course it

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<v Speaker 12>came out of there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and by the way, you were ridiculed. I just

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<v Speaker 3>remembered as well by the ABC for your comments on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Just before we go. Look, we've been talking.

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<v Speaker 3>About how Joe Biden pardoned his son Hunter. Well, it

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<v Speaker 3>was a very funny comment on this from the TV

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<v Speaker 3>host John Stewart. If we can play that and have

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<v Speaker 3>a look at that clip, eleven years is.

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<v Speaker 2>A very specific.

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<v Speaker 13>And not rounded amount of time, So honor, I'll give

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<v Speaker 13>you a pardon a few years, five years, ten years.

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<v Speaker 5>It needs to be eleven.

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<v Speaker 11>And if you would be so kind, make sure this

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<v Speaker 11>upcoming New Year's Eve is also covered.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit's going to get Christy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hilarious, Caleb, but it's also you know, so thus

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<v Speaker 3>you and ridiculous because you know very specific time period

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<v Speaker 3>eleven years that the pardon applies to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course, and it goes all the way back

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<v Speaker 1>to Hunter beginning to do deals with Barrisma and Ukraine, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>And the question is what was the connection between Hunter

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<v Speaker 1>and his father when these deals were being done. Close

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<v Speaker 1>associates of Hunter Biden's have testified that he was using

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<v Speaker 1>his father, who was then Vice president, to get business

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<v Speaker 1>deals done overseas and that potentially the Biden family benefited

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<v Speaker 1>from that. So, including those eleven years is running cover

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<v Speaker 1>for the president as much as it is for his son.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you've got that power available to you, why

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't you use it? I know it's insane and it's awful,

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<v Speaker 1>but why wouldn't you use it? He's just done what's

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<v Speaker 1>in front of him.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure they'll find some way, the Trump administration of

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<v Speaker 3>getting around and having a look at what they can investigate. Nonetheless, Bronwan,

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<v Speaker 3>Bishop cayleb Bond, thank you both very much. All right,

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<v Speaker 3>returning to the major story today that Donald Trump has

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<v Speaker 3>threatened to unleash Hell if the hostages aren't returned. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>bring in now Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson. James,

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<v Speaker 3>thanks for your time as always look, we've seen weak

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<v Speaker 3>international leadership more inclined to criticize Israel than demand Hamas

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<v Speaker 3>actually hand back the hostages, and the Albanese government seems

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<v Speaker 3>to think the hostages are an afterthought as they keep

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<v Speaker 3>criticizing Israel. Should our politicians take a leaf out of

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's book and deal with terrorists through strength rather than appeasement.

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<v Speaker 14>It's great to be with you, Shari, and I think

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<v Speaker 14>you're absolutely right that the Albanezy government's response from the

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<v Speaker 14>very beginning of this crisis has been weakness and false

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<v Speaker 14>moral equivalents, and it's now very clear that they're being

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<v Speaker 14>driven by their political interests, and they are putting that

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<v Speaker 14>ahead of the national interest. The national interest and Australia's

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<v Speaker 14>values would have dictated that immediately after the seventh of

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<v Speaker 14>October we stood shoulder to shoulder with our friend and

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<v Speaker 14>our ally Israel, and that we did everything we could

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<v Speaker 14>to support them in their attempts to regain their citizens

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<v Speaker 14>who are so cruelly taken hostage by Hamas on the

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<v Speaker 14>seventh October. The especially cruel thing about this today, as

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<v Speaker 14>you pointed out in your editorial, Shari, is that of

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<v Speaker 14>those one hundred and one hostages who are still captive

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<v Speaker 14>of Hamas in Gaza in the tunnels, we don't know

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<v Speaker 14>and their families don't know how many of them are

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<v Speaker 14>left alive. And yet the Albanzi government has been making

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<v Speaker 14>tokenistic references occasionally to hostages, but in some of their

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<v Speaker 14>public comments recently haven't even had the pretense to pretend

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<v Speaker 14>that they care about that anymore. And they've moved on

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<v Speaker 14>to be far more focused on their political interests, which

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<v Speaker 14>I think is going to play out in the coming

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<v Speaker 14>days and weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, speaking about the political interests, there's breaking news tonight

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<v Speaker 3>and the City Morning Herald website that the Albanezi government

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm quoting from that article now, that the Albanizi

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<v Speaker 3>government is preparing to again anger Israel by switching Australia's

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<v Speaker 3>stance on the Israeli Palestinian conflict in a series of

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<v Speaker 3>high profile United Nations votes, which include a resolution aimed

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<v Speaker 3>at creating an irreversible pathway to a Palestinian state.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Penny Wang in action, and James.

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<v Speaker 3>This comes after the latest hostile UN resolution vote, and

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<v Speaker 3>I revealed that that was a captain's call. Pennywang actually

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<v Speaker 3>ignored the recommendation from Australia's mission at the UN.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your reaction to this news tonight.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, I suspect those reports are accurate and it is

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<v Speaker 14>almost getting to the point where we are losing count

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<v Speaker 14>of the times at which Australia, under Penny Wong's leadership

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<v Speaker 14>as Foreign Minister, has abandoned Israel at the United Nations.

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<v Speaker 14>Pennywong has trashed decades of bipartisanship when it comes to

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<v Speaker 14>our approach to Israel Palestine issues at the United Nations.

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<v Speaker 14>We would always have opposed or at the very least

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<v Speaker 14>abstained from any motion that went to final status issues,

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<v Speaker 14>certainly that prematurely recognized a Palestinian state prior to the

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<v Speaker 14>successful negotiation of a peace disagreement between the Palestinian authority

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<v Speaker 14>and Israel. And it's very clear for all to see

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<v Speaker 14>what is driving this, and that is the Labour Party's

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<v Speaker 14>existential fear and dread that they will lose seats. Spoke

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<v Speaker 14>first in the Inner City to the Greens who are

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<v Speaker 14>attacking them on this issue, and now also in Western

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<v Speaker 14>Sydney where the Muslim Votes Matter movement and others are

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<v Speaker 14>targeting them. But that's a completely reckless and irresponsible thing

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<v Speaker 14>to do, because not only have they abandoned our values,

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<v Speaker 14>not only have they abandoned our interests, they've also put

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<v Speaker 14>an enormous golf between Australia and our closest and most

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<v Speaker 14>important ally of the United States. And that's under the

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<v Speaker 14>Biden administration. The Trump administration will be even more forthright

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<v Speaker 14>in its support for Israel than the Biden administration has been,

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<v Speaker 14>and that golf is getting bigger and bigger. And I

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<v Speaker 14>don't see how it's in our national interest in an

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<v Speaker 14>uncertain strategic environment to have distance between Australia and the

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<v Speaker 14>United States, but apparently the Foreign Minister.

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<v Speaker 3>Does, and it's a national security issue as well. Of

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<v Speaker 3>course you just mentioned then the Muslim vote campaign. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>they've come out in a report in The Australian Today

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<v Speaker 3>and actually said that it might be better to have

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<v Speaker 3>a Dutton government. To send a message to Labor, this

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<v Speaker 3>is some parts of that campaign. What do you think

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<v Speaker 3>about this because Labors show no leadership on this issue

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<v Speaker 3>and instead, as you just said, that foreign policy is

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<v Speaker 3>designed to try win back over radical activists.

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<v Speaker 14>It shows you show that appeasement doesn't work. The Labor

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<v Speaker 14>Party has compromised our foreign policy and national security policy

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<v Speaker 14>and our national interest in an attempt to shore up

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<v Speaker 14>votes in these seats, and it doesn't even work. And

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<v Speaker 14>I think the antidote to appeasement is strength. I think

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<v Speaker 14>the antidote to the moral equivalents we've seen is moral clarity.

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:40.880
<v Speaker 14>And I think the antidote to the impotence we've seen

0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 14>is moral strength. And those are the things that we

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<v Speaker 14>will get from Peter Dutton as Prime Minister if he's

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<v Speaker 14>elected at the next election. He will always put our

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<v Speaker 14>national interests first. He will always stand closely with our allies.

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<v Speaker 14>He'll stand shoulder to shoulder for our values on the

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<v Speaker 14>international stage and international forums. And in Peter Dutton we

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<v Speaker 14>would have the most pro Israel prime start in Australia's history.

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<v Speaker 14>And we've had some very strong pro Israel prime ministers

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<v Speaker 14>like Scott Morrison and Malcolm Turnbull and Tony Abbott and

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<v Speaker 14>John Howard, but he would be even stronger than them.

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<v Speaker 2>Look music to my ears.

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<v Speaker 3>And that would also be a reflection of Trump's cabinet,

0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:16.359
<v Speaker 3>because we've seen that his cabinet, I mean, some have

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 3>said it even more pro Israel than.

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Israel's own Cabinet.

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 3>But you know, Israel so far has had its allies

0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:27.280
<v Speaker 3>basically desert them, so it needs friends at this time

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<v Speaker 3>as it fights for survival. James Patterson, really appreciate your

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 3>clarity as always.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Now still to come.

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<v Speaker 3>Why is the University of Sydney protecting an academic who's

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<v Speaker 3>under police investigation and has threatened Sky News hosts Carolyn

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:48.160
<v Speaker 3>Marcus would join me and will Chris Bowen become known

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 3>as the Grinch who Stole Christmas? As annual lights displays

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<v Speaker 3>could be under threat thanks to soaring power prices. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>talk about that with my panel after this quick break.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back.

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 3>Okay, we're going to get into Chris bow and his

0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:09.400
<v Speaker 3>new name is the Grinch who might be stealing Christmas

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:12.439
<v Speaker 3>to discuss. You can now meet the latest liberal to

0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 3>be pre selected to take on the Teals. James Brown

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:18.119
<v Speaker 3>has been pre selected for the seat of mckella.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to see.

0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:21.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh we've just lost James for resecu' We be back

0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 3>in a minute. I'm sure this is Bromwin Bishop's old seat,

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:28.520
<v Speaker 3>so he'll try and unseat Sophie Scomps. And we're also

0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:31.800
<v Speaker 3>going to bring in Menzies Research Center Executive director Dave Hughes,

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 3>great to see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Gay Look.

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Dutton today launched an attack on Labor for breaking

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<v Speaker 3>their promise to reduce power bills by two hundred and

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:44.560
<v Speaker 3>seventy five dollars. We played that those comments a little

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 3>earlier in the show Look. At the same time, the

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<v Speaker 3>Daily Telegraph is asking readers to submit their best Christmas

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 3>light displays in the suburb. This is an annual favorite

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 3>where people drive from.

0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:57.479
<v Speaker 2>All over Sydney.

0:28:57.520 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it's the case in other cities as well,

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 3>drive from all over to see the homes with the

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 3>most spectacular Christmas light displays. But Dave, there's concerns that,

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<v Speaker 3>given how high people's power bills are, many families won't

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 3>be able to afford to do this.

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<v Speaker 8>I think it was actually three years ago to the

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<v Speaker 8>day Shari that Anthony ALBERNISI first promise power bills would

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:22.360
<v Speaker 8>be reduced by two hundred and seventy five dollars a year. Now,

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:24.680
<v Speaker 8>that was a promise that didn't match his policies because

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 8>his policies have actually driven up power prices, and what

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 8>we've seen is we've seen less base load power in

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<v Speaker 8>the market. You know, reliable baseload power that coal, gas

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:39.719
<v Speaker 8>and nuclear could provide, and we've got intermittent renewables filling

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 8>that gap. Power prices have gone up and families are

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 8>taking decisions to cut costs. So yeah, I wouldn't be

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 8>surprised if there's a lot of families out there in

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 8>the suburbs who are taking those decisions not to maybe

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 8>scale down their Christmas lights displays.

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:57.720
<v Speaker 3>This year, and not to mention James, you know, we're

0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:00.040
<v Speaker 3>being told that on hot days we shouldn't be running our.

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Dishwasher past three pm.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what's the state government going to say about these

0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 3>Christmas light displays?

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 4>We'll sharrying my neighbor's not the Christmas lights up already.

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 4>The gauntlet has been thrown down and I'm well behind.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's the decision we have to make. We've got

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<v Speaker 4>a grid that is increasingly fragile. Can we run the

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 4>air conditioning that we need, can we run the Christmas lights,

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:22.960
<v Speaker 4>can we run the fridge? And can we pay for

0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 4>it all? And that's the challenge that families are looking

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<v Speaker 4>at as we go into Christmas.

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<v Speaker 5>This is a tough.

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<v Speaker 4>Time for families that are not where they want to be.

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 4>Economically that are facing the pressure of higher interest rates,

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 4>who are looking at how they're going to afford presents,

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 4>and we're here because of the policies of the government.

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:42.320
<v Speaker 4>They've led us to this point.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a scary thought, and you know, I just

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 3>worry and I wish there was Maybe I'll try to

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 3>find out in the next few days. You know, there's

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 3>going to be children out there who can't afford the

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:54.479
<v Speaker 3>parents can't afford Christmas present. So I think we need

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 3>to find out what we can do to help those

0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 3>families in the next week and a half before we

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:02.280
<v Speaker 3>break for Christmas. Now, one of Australia's biggest banks has

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 3>slapped another fee on customers.

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<v Speaker 2>This has outraged everyone today, charging.

0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 3>Three dollars each time people want to withdraw their own

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 3>money from a branch, a post office or by phone.

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<v Speaker 3>This is come back, David. This seems insanity. You know,

0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 3>this continual paying to take out cash.

0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 8>You can understand why people want to have easy access

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 8>to cash in this day and age, because of transaction

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.640
<v Speaker 8>fees and the like. I've got a briefing from the

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 8>Commonwealth Bank this afternoon on this on this issue. They

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 8>say that there'll be exemptions for a lot of pensioners

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 8>and people that have I think two thousand dollars coming

0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 8>into their accounts so every month. So most way journeys

0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 8>will be exempt, and of course people feel can feel

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 8>free to shop around as well, if the.

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 3>People even know how to go through the process of

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 3>getting that exemption. Sitting on hold for hours at a time.

0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 3>None of this is easy, this is.

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<v Speaker 8>True, but yeah, it's an issue we face now. My

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 8>barber only accepts cash because he's had enough with these

0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:07.000
<v Speaker 8>transaction fees.

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, class businesses a lot.

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it's really frustrating for businesses as well, So this

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 8>is why people are people are drawn to cash. I

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 8>hope it doesn't create any issues for the most vulnerable

0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 8>as well, as we talk about those pensioners in particular

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 8>who might not know how to use an ATM. But

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 8>I think through these changes today, I think come off

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 8>bank ATMs will still be able to be access free

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 8>of charge for their customers.

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<v Speaker 3>James, you're starting to do the rounds. I mentioned before

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 3>that you've just been pre selected as a Liberal candidate

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 3>for mckella br'm a bishop's old seat. We just had

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:38.200
<v Speaker 3>her on the show. You're trying to knock off the

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 3>till you know. Is this one of the issues that

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 3>you're finding matters to people when you're don knocking.

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, thanks Charan.

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 4>It's a great honor to be stepping up on the

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 4>seat where Bronwin Bishop was a member for so long

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 4>and she's still so loved by the community.

0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Here.

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<v Speaker 4>Pensioners, as David mentioned, are the ones who use cash

0:32:56.880 --> 0:33:00.480
<v Speaker 4>the most, and a lot of them haven't moved into

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 4>the world of internet banking. They like to go to

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 4>a branch. They like to be able to get cash

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 4>once a month across the tele accounter and use that

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:12.120
<v Speaker 4>to pay their expenses. So this is another challenge for

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:15.160
<v Speaker 4>them to navigate. It's another hit on top of the

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 4>surcharges that we're seeing. All of this adds up and

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 4>creates pressure.

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 15>I mean, the.

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<v Speaker 4>People I'm talking to are telling me that there is

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<v Speaker 4>a lot going on beneath the surface at the moment,

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:27.400
<v Speaker 4>a lot of financial stress beneath the surface. And on

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 4>the northern beaches, you've only got to look at the

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 4>areas where people park their secondhand cars for sale, or

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:36.680
<v Speaker 4>on Pittwater and Baron Joey Rhodes, those cueues of cars

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 4>for Salah much longer than I've ever seen them, and

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 4>that shows you people can't afford to run that second car.

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 4>They can't keep the groceries, the school fees, all of

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 4>that going at once.

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's all a lot. It all adds up petrol

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:50.880
<v Speaker 3>prices as well. Now let's turn to Queen's line now,

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:53.520
<v Speaker 3>because we're seeing human rights groups are trying to stop

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:57.440
<v Speaker 3>the newly elected Premier David Chris Fooley from implementing.

0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 2>His adult crime adult time laws.

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:02.320
<v Speaker 3>These groups are claiming that it's going to clog up

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 3>the justice system. I mean, David, surely, of all issues,

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 3>he has a mandate to ignore these groups on this

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:09.959
<v Speaker 3>particular issue.

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 2>When youth crime is such a problem in Queensland.

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:15.719
<v Speaker 8>And Shari, if it's going to clog up the prisons

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 8>and youth detention centers, build more, don't weaken the laws

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:23.719
<v Speaker 8>to accommodate that. I see the UN have criticized these

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:26.399
<v Speaker 8>laws as being inhumane. This is, of course the same

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 8>UN that has Russia sitting on the Security Council. A

0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 8>few years ago in Queensland there was a young couple

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:38.799
<v Speaker 8>expecting their first child that were tragically killed by a

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:43.040
<v Speaker 8>drunk driver juvenile driver on drugs, a long list of

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:48.440
<v Speaker 8>offenses in his history. He'll be released soon. The maximum

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:52.960
<v Speaker 8>sentence Sake who provide was ten years, but he'll be

0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:55.520
<v Speaker 8>out sooner than that. There is a strong case for

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:56.240
<v Speaker 8>these laws.

0:34:57.160 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Chris A.

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<v Speaker 8>Foley has a mandate they should be implemented head and

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:02.480
<v Speaker 8>he needs to stand firm.

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Indeed, James, before you go, I just want to get

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 3>your you know, as former RSL president, I want to

0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 3>get your feedback on what you think of Albaneze's response

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:15.000
<v Speaker 3>to the Royal Commission yesterday.

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:16.879
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 4>Look, Shari, I'm a liberal candidate for office, so I'll

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 4>bag the government all day long about how it's letting

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:26.440
<v Speaker 4>the defense for slide and leaving us unprepared. But on

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 4>this I do want to say that I think it's

0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 4>been taken seriously on a bipartisan basis. So I've personally

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 4>seen the commitment of Minister Matt Keo on this issue,

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:37.680
<v Speaker 4>and I've seen the commitment of the Secretary of the

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:39.920
<v Speaker 4>Department of Veterans Affairs, Alison Frame, who I think is

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 4>doing a good job. Barnaby Joyce, al spokesman himself, a veteran,

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:47.360
<v Speaker 4>has been tireless on this too. I mean this Royal Commission.

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 4>As you know, because you were there with me fighting

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.280
<v Speaker 4>for it a number of years ago. Convincing the Morrison

0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 4>government to step up and investigate this issue was a

0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 4>long time coming. The issues are really complex. Some of

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 4>the steps we've seen implemented today will take a long

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 4>time to change the system. But the change is happening

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 4>and the problems been acknowledged, and I think most importantly

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:13.799
<v Speaker 4>the veterans who were suffering and their families have been

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:16.279
<v Speaker 4>heard and recognized, and you know that will go a

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:18.759
<v Speaker 4>long way to addressing this chrirect problem.

0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:22.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a long time coming, but yes, as you say,

0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 3>it's going to take a long time for these issues

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 3>to be properly addressed. All right, Thank you both so much,

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:32.359
<v Speaker 3>Dave Hughes, James Brown. Great to see you both. Now

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 3>still to come. The highly respected economist exposing the Albanezi

0:36:36.080 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 3>government's reckless spending, Chris Richardson says families are getting less

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 3>of the tax man is getting more. Plus why the

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:47.799
<v Speaker 3>University of Sydney continues to employ an academic threatening hosts

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 3>here on Sky News. Well, Caroline Marcus will join me

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:58.520
<v Speaker 3>with that exclusive after this break. Welcome back with the

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:02.239
<v Speaker 3>University of Sydney has referred one of its own academics

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:06.719
<v Speaker 3>to police after he threatened Jewish groups and sky News hosts.

0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 3>Joel Griggs's online history has exposed his anti Israel, anti

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:15.760
<v Speaker 3>Zionist stunts. In one post, directed to the Australian Jewish

0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:20.440
<v Speaker 3>Association president David Adler, he tweeted that the AJA is

0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:23.480
<v Speaker 3>a fascist and terror cell. If the government isn't going

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:27.239
<v Speaker 3>to move on these dangerous psychopaths, can we maybe pull

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 3>something together on Twitter? Couldn't be too hard to find

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 3>out where these people live. In another, he referenced my

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:40.919
<v Speaker 3>colleague Andrew Bolt, and he posted, will get you one day?

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:46.239
<v Speaker 3>You seditious, traitorous scum Caroline Marcus who joins me now

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 3>she's the sky News reporter who broke this exclusive story. Caroline,

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<v Speaker 3>there are so many offensive tweets others he said people

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<v Speaker 3>should be put up against a wall.

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<v Speaker 15>Yes, he even said you should be put up against

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<v Speaker 15>a wall, Sharian and the tweet that he about Andrew

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<v Speaker 15>Bolt included several other sky News hosts, as well as

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<v Speaker 15>digital staff who posts the tweets onto the sky News

0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:12.239
<v Speaker 15>Twitter account. But in terms of yourself and some other

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<v Speaker 15>sky News hosts. He also said that these traitorous scum

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<v Speaker 15>should be put up against the wall and Australia would

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<v Speaker 15>be a lot better off.

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<v Speaker 3>And yet the University of Sydney still continue to employ him.

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<v Speaker 3>They've referred him to police, but they won't stack him.

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<v Speaker 15>What is this Well, a spokesman from the university told

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<v Speaker 15>me that they found some of his posts so concerning

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<v Speaker 15>that they felt compelled to refer them to the Inner

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<v Speaker 15>West Police Area Command in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there is a.

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<v Speaker 15>Little bit of confusion because police say they haven't received

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<v Speaker 15>any sort of formal report, but the university, I understand,

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<v Speaker 15>did refer this material to them back in September. Now

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<v Speaker 15>they did say, however, they told the Jewish Grip that

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<v Speaker 15>they couldn't take any disciplinary action against him due to

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<v Speaker 15>the threats being made in a personal capacity, because they

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<v Speaker 15>were made on his Twitter account, which was public. I've

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<v Speaker 15>learned a few minutes ago that it's actually been switched

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<v Speaker 15>to private now and that they weren't being made in

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<v Speaker 15>the name of the university. But he mentioned several times

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<v Speaker 15>his employment at the university and the fact that he's

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<v Speaker 15>taught there for eight years. So I'll leave that to

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<v Speaker 15>your viewers to decide whether that justification for not taking

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<v Speaker 15>disciplinary action stands. They also quoted the academic freedom as

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<v Speaker 15>part of the code of conduct and that they need

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<v Speaker 15>to protect academic freedom.

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<v Speaker 2>But if making.

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<v Speaker 15>Threats of what appears to be violence against people, including

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<v Speaker 15>colleagues at Sky News constitutes academic freedom, well, I think

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<v Speaker 15>that will leave a lot of people feeling puzzled.

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<v Speaker 3>And you'd think that parents whose children are attending the

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<v Speaker 3>University of Sydney, you know that they wouldn't necessarily feel

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<v Speaker 3>comfortable being taught by someone who has made threats like.

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<v Speaker 2>This whole life exactly.

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<v Speaker 15>And not only that, the university is obviously under intense

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<v Speaker 15>scrutiny over its handling of anti Semitism on campus. It's

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<v Speaker 15>vice chancellor, Mark Scott has admitted to failing Jurish students

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<v Speaker 15>and staff, and only on Friday he tried to deny

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<v Speaker 15>that the university was an incubator for anti semitism, and

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<v Speaker 15>then we learn about this case. So I think the

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<v Speaker 15>university will have a lot of questions to answer about

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<v Speaker 15>how it's handled this too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Indeed, look, I want to turn to nine Entertainment.

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<v Speaker 3>One of their senior reporters, Airly Walsh.

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<v Speaker 2>She's highly respected.

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<v Speaker 3>News today that she's suing the network in the federal court.

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<v Speaker 3>This comes amid the major cultural reckoning that's hit Nine

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<v Speaker 3>since the sexual harassment scandal broke.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we know Aarly Welsh file.

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<v Speaker 3>A human rights sex discrimination case against her employer. No suggestion, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not clear who it's related to. No suggestion it's

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<v Speaker 3>related to the disgrace Darren Wick, Caroline. We both know

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<v Speaker 3>Ellie Welsh well. She is one of the nicest reporters around.

0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 3>She's a delight to be around when you're out on jobs,

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<v Speaker 3>a wonderful mother, very courageous of her and brave of

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<v Speaker 3>her to take this step.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, this is no easy feed because, as many women

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<v Speaker 15>have learned over the years, that taking action against your employer,

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<v Speaker 15>when it comes to a media company, and in particular

0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:41.840
<v Speaker 15>a commercial television network, can spell the end of your career.

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<v Speaker 15>And let's hope that's not the case for Emi, because

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<v Speaker 15>I think she has a very promising career and I

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<v Speaker 15>was hoping to see her return after her maternity leap,

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<v Speaker 15>which she's currently on after having her baby son last year. Now,

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<v Speaker 15>she's worked at Line for fifteen years and we don't

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<v Speaker 15>know the details of this case that's been filed in

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<v Speaker 15>the federal core, but we do know that she has

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<v Speaker 15>filed a human rights sex discrimination case against Nine. As

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<v Speaker 15>you said, we don't know whether that's to do and

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<v Speaker 15>there's no suggestion that's to do with Darren Wick, despite

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<v Speaker 15>him being accused of sexual harassment. We don't know by

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<v Speaker 15>who or by sources. I know you've spoken to some,

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<v Speaker 15>but it is it speaks to the culture that we've

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<v Speaker 15>been learning about at nine. And I previously worked at nine,

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<v Speaker 15>including working alongside Airly when I did shifts for nine News,

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<v Speaker 15>I was mostly at a current affair. And it's disturbing

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<v Speaker 15>because nine did recently have external investigative workplace investigators look

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<v Speaker 15>into the culture there and it found that more than

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<v Speaker 15>half fifty seven percent of staff working in the broadcast

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<v Speaker 15>division had experienced some form of discrimination, harassment, bullying. So

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<v Speaker 15>it seems to be another example of that. I know

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<v Speaker 15>of at least one other former nine employee who is

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<v Speaker 15>talking to lawyers currently and is planning an action as well.

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<v Speaker 7>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's hope, as you say, that Elliewosh continues to have

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<v Speaker 3>a long career head of her.

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<v Speaker 2>She is an excellent journalist and a wonderful person.

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<v Speaker 3>Caroline Markers, thank you very much and congrats again and

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<v Speaker 3>you're reporting today now, don't go anywhere. Victoria has been

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<v Speaker 3>ranked last by the Business Opportunity. What this means for

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<v Speaker 3>their souring economy plus one economist has done the numbers

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<v Speaker 3>and shown that labor's cash slash is hurting the budget

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<v Speaker 3>bottom line. Chris Richardson would join me next.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm pleased to say I'm joined now by leading

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<v Speaker 3>economist Chris Richardson. Chris, great to see you, as always,

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much for your time. Now, you've written

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<v Speaker 3>a fascinating piece in the fin Review where you lay

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<v Speaker 3>out how the tax PI, if you like, has changed

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<v Speaker 3>in Australia, the point that families are getting less and

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<v Speaker 3>the tax man is getting more.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you explain this to us?

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, Budgets move all the time, and we tend to

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<v Speaker 13>assume they move because politicians have made decisions. The main thing, however,

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<v Speaker 13>that shifts them around, is that everything else and three

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<v Speaker 13>big things, migration, inflation, have all had a big impact.

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<v Speaker 13>Inflation in particular does exactly what you just mentioned. It

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<v Speaker 13>takes money from families and it gives it to governments.

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<v Speaker 13>Migration means there's more people we can tax, so that

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<v Speaker 13>gives extra money to the federal government. And war pushed

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<v Speaker 13>up the price of a bunch of things that Australia

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<v Speaker 13>sells to the world, including coal, and again that.

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<v Speaker 5>Gave more money to the budget.

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<v Speaker 13>That's basically why you have seen a budget in surplus.

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<v Speaker 13>That combination of war, migration and inflation delivering the government

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<v Speaker 13>a lot more dollars than Treasury had expected.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, we've seen data today that the government blew that

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<v Speaker 3>government spending blew out to one hundred and ninety five

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<v Speaker 3>billion in the September quarter on the back of rebates,

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<v Speaker 3>handouts and pay hikes.

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<v Speaker 2>How problematic is this spending pattern.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, there has.

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<v Speaker 13>Been a big shift in recent years, starting with the

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<v Speaker 13>feeds increasingly as you know, with the states, towards spending more.

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<v Speaker 13>And that's a change in the national social compact. That's

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<v Speaker 13>what governments are. You know, we tax workers, we tax businesses.

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<v Speaker 13>We spend that on the young and the old and

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<v Speaker 13>the sick and the poor, and.

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<v Speaker 5>That combination has changed in recent years. Something's in particular

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<v Speaker 5>much more expensive. The ndies is a good example.

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<v Speaker 13>But we also as a nation promised ourselves a variety

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<v Speaker 13>of things in things like age care that we hadn't

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<v Speaker 13>been properly funding under governments of all stripes.

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<v Speaker 5>That combination increasingly catching up with us.

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<v Speaker 3>We've seen analysis in recent or in the past week

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<v Speaker 3>really about how household disposable income is declining rapidly in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not comparing favorably with other countries around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is this the case.

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<v Speaker 5>It's been a bigger hit here.

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<v Speaker 13>Our fight against inflation, deliberately has been slower than you've

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<v Speaker 13>seen elsewhere in the world. The intent has been to

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<v Speaker 13>make sure we keep unemployment as low as we can

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<v Speaker 13>as we fight our inflation. But a slow fight against

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<v Speaker 13>inflation is an expensive one, you know. It means wages

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<v Speaker 13>further behind prices. Again, inflation helps governments at the cost

0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:58.520
<v Speaker 13>of families. It keeps infrastrates higher for longer.

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<v Speaker 5>We now have a lot of debt.

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<v Speaker 13>That combination means we've got a pretty big hit to

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<v Speaker 13>living standards here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 5>Data out tomorrow should start to show the beginnings of

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<v Speaker 5>a rebound.

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<v Speaker 13>The tax cut and the energy rebates come with a

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<v Speaker 13>variety of effects, but they do help our standard of

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<v Speaker 13>living and you'll see that in tomorrow's numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris, in your view, is the alban Easy government doing

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<v Speaker 3>enough to fight inflation?

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<v Speaker 13>No, I don't think so, And to be fair, that

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<v Speaker 13>fight is and mostly should be with the Reserve Bank.

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<v Speaker 5>But the International Monetary Fund says.

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<v Speaker 13>If governments want to help their central banks fight inflation,

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<v Speaker 13>then governments need to cut spending and raise taxes.

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<v Speaker 5>Or in other words, if inflation is.

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<v Speaker 13>A problem of too much money chasing too little stuff,

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<v Speaker 13>governments can help by taking money out of the system instead.

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<v Speaker 5>In most governments around the world.

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<v Speaker 13>But particularly here in Australia, are doing the opposite your

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<v Speaker 13>big text cuts, big increases in spending, Dadison helping the

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<v Speaker 13>fight for the Reserve Bank.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we're probably going to see even more pre

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<v Speaker 3>election spending as we get closer to the campaign and

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<v Speaker 3>Albaneze's falling in the polls, he's going to feel the

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<v Speaker 3>need to buy back votes. Chris Richardson, appreciate your time,

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much, and that's it from me. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>see you tomorrow night at eight o'clock. Thanks for watching.

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<v Speaker 3>And here's Paul Murray