WEBVTT - The Real Reason Tori And Jack Recently Split (Full Interview) 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.400 Hello, and welcome back to the Maths Funny Podcast with 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:05.800 Me Joshua Fox, and today, guys, we finally have the 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:09.400 answer about why did Jack and Tory really split up? 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:13.840 Earlier this year. Everyone has been asking, speculating, hoping for 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:17.640 a big drama and something messy, and the real reason 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.280 is actually just a little bit sad if I'm being honest, 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:22.560 And it's also quite relatable to a lot of people 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:24.560 who I know will have found themselves in a similar 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:28.840 situation before but maybe struggled to find that courage to say, actually, 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.440 this isn't working, like we need to end this relationship. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:35.120 Tory sat down to top things through with my friends 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:39.200 and journalist Lachlan Gerton and Talia Pritchard, who I said 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:41.839 in the previous episode of this podcast, I bring in 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:45.280 their podcast Confessions of a Reality Start into the Maths 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:47.640 Funny Feed and I kind of set them this first 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:49.800 challenge of can they get to the bottom of you know, 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:53.280 why did they split? Because everyone's asking, but no one knows. 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:55.959 And yeah, instead of me rambling on, here is their 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:59.720 full interview. Enjoy. 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.080 Thank you so much for coming on Confessions of a 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:02.880 Reality Star. 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:04.160 Thank you. 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:07.480 I know it's been a pretty rough start to the 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.440 year for you. So we just wanted to ask, how 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:11.039 are you doing. 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:16.560 Yeah, look, I'm actually going pretty well. I think that's 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.000 like a shock to some people. But you know, I 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:23.039 won't speak for Jack, but we are going pretty pretty good. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.240 We're not the start to the year that everyone thought 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:31.679 we would have, but yeah, we were actually in a 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:32.280 good place. 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:35.760 Okay. I mean we're going to dive into that a 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:40.399 little bit more because it's interesting. I think when couples 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:44.080 break up and the couple says we're still friends, there's 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:46.520 still a lot of love there and everyone's like, okay, 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:50.160 but why did you break up then? And so I 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.240 think everyone has a lot of questions. But if we 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:56.080 talk about the fact that it's been a year since 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:58.320 you were on Maths, the last time people saw you 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.480 was obviously when you were with I just want to 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.360 know how you think the toy that was on Maths 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:05.920 compares to the toy now. 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:10.799 Oh my god, the toy that was on Maths, or 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.720 the toy that was shown on Maths to the toy 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:19.120 that actually existed at that time was already so different. 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.200 But then the toy that was on Mass to the 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:29.040 toy that I am today again is so different. I 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.680 think I've gone through a lot of growth and a 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:37.800 lot of self development since being on the show. I 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:42.120 think you see life differently once you've been in that 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:46.720 world and you're on camera and you're watching yourself back, 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:51.360 and you're watching how you hold yourself in times of 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.480 you know, spiciness, or and you're in the middle of 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.720 an argument. Now, Lucky for me, most of my like 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:04.360 offs at the dinner party weren't shown, but you know, 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.280 I'm kind of glad that they weren't, because I think 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:13.320 I can be a very reactive, aggressive person. So to 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:18.040 learn the art of just kind of letting it be, 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:22.919 you know, not responding to those comments or just ignoring 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:27.960 or pretending like it's not happening, just being at peace 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:32.440 within yourself and not caring what anyone else thinks. I 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:36.040 think that's probably the biggest thing that I've learned since 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:41.040 being on Maths, is just to not care what people think. 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:48.000 Your existence is going to piss someone off at every point, 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:52.480 and it's just being okay with that. And I think 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.720 before Maths, I definitely didn't really care what people thought 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.040 of me, but I did have that little bit of like, 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:03.040 oh god, well, people think, and now I'm like, fuck it, 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:04.960 it's going to piss someone off anyway, so I might 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:06.960 just do it. It's going to make me happy, you 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:07.560 know what I mean. 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:11.200 Yeah, it's a new type of like resilience. I imagine correct. 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.600 It's probably coming in handy right now too, because I 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:17.360 think the interesting thing for me was like, you guys 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.080 didn't have a lot of people championing your relationship when 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.560 you ended the show, and then you've proved all the 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:26.680 haters wrong and you have broken up now obviously, but 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.280 people are really sad about it. Has that been kind 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:30.520 of confusing for you? 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:37.880 People are so affected by it, and it's it's not funny, 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.160 but it's kind of like you're right, you know. We 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:43.080 came off the show, and to be fair, when we 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.800 got our social media back, we had nothing but love. 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.520 You know. I think for myself, I was expecting the 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:55.120 most vile messages, but we had nothing but an influx 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:58.240 of love and support and it was so nice. And 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:03.039 we never thought of like we needed to prove our 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:04.320 relationship to anyone. 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:04.640 You know. 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:07.800 We were two people that met on a TV show 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.440 who could kind of feel that there was something there 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:13.880 and we were just going to give it a shot, 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:15.800 and we're going to give it the best shot that 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.560 we could possibly give it. And when we did end things, 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.039 you know, we had ended it for just on a 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:27.240 month before we had announced it. So when we did 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.080 announce it, I think people thought that we'd woke up 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.920 that morning and were like, you know what, let's break up, 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.120 let's announce it to the world, and let's do it 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:40.320 right now. They're like, no, like, is there any way 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.080 you guys can fix it? Like what's going on? Like 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.520 surely not like and it's like, oh god, guys like 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.040 bless and it's beautiful, but simmer down. 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.560 It must be really strange though, because you know, when 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.240 you do break up with someone in usual life and 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.880 you don't have this kind of following of people, You 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:01.839 tell your friends and your family and then you're pretty 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.719 much done and dusted. But now you've got hundreds and 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.640 thousands of people kind of demanding to know why you 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.320 guys broke up. Do you have anything you kind of 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.840 want to say? Just to a general blanket statement. 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:21.880 People, I think we're expecting this really juicy tea. Someone 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.760 did something really nasty to the other person, and it's 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:29.200 just vile and it's just not the case. Effectively, Jack 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:34.200 and I just never got to that point of falling 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:37.880 deeply in love with one another. We have a lot 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.520 of love for one another, and we are the very 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:47.039 best of friends, but it never eventuated into anything that 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.320 would have us spend the rest of our lives together. 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:54.800 So nothing, nothing happened, no one, you know, did anyone dirty. 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:59.479 We're just two people that are essentially the best of friends. 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:01.839 And is that And I imagine you have to have 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.240 a lot of conversations too to get to that point 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.279 and get to that understanding. So it's kind of funny 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:07.840 how you touched on earlier, Like it's like you just 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:09.720 woke up one morning and you're like, let's just announce 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.280 to everyone that it's over and we haven't tried it whatever. 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.040 Correct, Like, there's a lot of conversation, there's a lot 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:19.280 of you know, putting in the hard work. There's a 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.679 lot of I guess, getting in those trenches and seeing 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:27.080 is this something that can be? And we did. We 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.600 put in the hard work, were put in the hard yards, 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.560 the hours, in the conversations and all the rest of it. 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.200 And at the end of the day, that was that, 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.320 you know, it wasn't from lack of trying. We just 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:43.440 figured out that we're just really great friends. 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.720 Was part of that time when you guys work together 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.360 for over a year and when you're trying to kind 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.960 of make it work and you're thinking is this going 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.040 to keep going or you're making those decisions. Is there 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:59.040 a part of you thinking, but everyone wanted us to 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.160 break up, let's stay together because of that? Or were 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.520 you thinking about the pressure of the public or the 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.520 fact that there are no success stories from the show 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:07.520 and you're like, come on, we can do this. Did 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:09.840 you ever think about the public perception in terms of 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.679 your relationship? Look? 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:14.960 I did. It was definitely something that I had in 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:20.160 the back of my mind, and it was more of like, oh, God, like, 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:24.600 you know, all of those nasty, vile people that wished 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.440 us ill and had all those nasty things to say 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:33.000 about us, and the naysayer is like, we've effectively validated 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:38.000 their shitty comments and those really evil words, and so 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.679 in the back of my mind, I was like, oh, like, 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:46.479 I hate that I'm giving these nasty, nasty people this satisfaction. 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.200 But at the end of the day, like you know, 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.440 they don't know us, and they don't know what we 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:59.040 have been through effectively. And like I said earlier, you're 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:03.520 any decision we make or that I make will piss 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:08.400 someone off. You just can't think about it. So Yeah, 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.320 for a split moment, I was like, oh, I don't 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.280 want to give these people, you know, like that feeling 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.360 of like oh God, like I told you so well, 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:19.760 like oh here we are look at them now, like 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:21.600 we knew this was going to happen. I didn't want 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:25.800 to give those people the satisfaction. But I have bigger 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.160 fish to fry. I cannot be worried about that. Yeah. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.680 Absolutely, you uprooted your life from Melbourne to the Gold Coast. 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:35.200 Do you see sel staining in the Gold Coast? 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:35.559 Now? 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:43.760 I will probably make my way back home. I miss 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:48.680 so much about Melbourne. I have loved my time up 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:52.080 here on the Gold Coast, but I think I'm a 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:56.880 Melbourne girly through and through. I went back home last 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:02.120 weekend and it just reminded me how much I miss. 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:06.480 You know, my people are there, my circle, my friends, 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:10.559 my family, and I think what I need right now 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.840 is to be completely immersed in that. 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.400 You've said online that you and Jack still have a 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:18.920 lot of love for each other and you still care 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:22.960 for one another, how would you describe that relationship now? 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:28.480 The relationship now is, Zach, we're like the best of mates. 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.560 We obviously still live in the same apartment, still go 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:37.320 to the gym together. Not not much has changed other 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:44.280 than we are no longer boyfriend and girlfriend. It's probably 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.800 very confusing to some people, but not much has changed. 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:52.200 You know, we still hang out all the time. Like 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:57.959 it's strange. I've never been this amicable and this friendly 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:02.200 with an e. But I guess when you grow up, 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:06.480 and you know, you get older, when you're when the 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:11.160 feelings just aren't there and no one's done anything wrong, it's. 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.320 Easy, Yeah, for sure. And I guess given everything you 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.960 guys went through as well on the show and whatever. Like, 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.560 there's so many different pressures being on a show like Maths, 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:22.640 so like, even when you are trying to forge a 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.320 romantic connection, like you said, with a virtual stranger, you're 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.480 just thrown into so many different challenges and of course 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.040 you go into the outside world and then it's about 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.040 seeing if you can make it work in that world 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:36.400 without all that kind of echo chamber of experts and 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.439 other people getting involved. So and that stuff takes time. 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:40.280 Takes time as. 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:44.000 Well, absolutely, and like you know, like I said earlier, 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.960 we didn't we didn't choose one another, but we could 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.960 see that there was something there worth trying for, and 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:55.600 we did. You know, if that spark or that little 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.560 niggle wasn't there and I didn't move up to the 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.640 Gold Coast, it would the right I would have been 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.000 on the wall. But you know, I did uproot my 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.559 life because we wanted to give it the best shot. 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.240 And that's exactly what we did. 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.400 To switch things up a bit. We thought it would 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.160 be fun to get you to react to one of 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:17.400 your most iconic scenes on the show. You basically had 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:21.640 reached your limit with the contestants grilling you about your relationship, 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:23.840 and you kind of shut them down and put them 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.720 in their place at the dinner party. Let's play the clip. 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.680 Oh, let's the problem is that you don't feel anything 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:39.000 towards the shop. How I feel? Just trust what I'm 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:43.760 doing is right and if it's not, you can all laugh. 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:49.040 Oh no, if you can all laugh, everyone's probably laughing now. 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:57.480 It's so you know what, I'm going to be real 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:02.240 with you all. After you are wanted this table, maybe 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:05.240 you at the beginning, I would want to spend time 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:14.319 after this experiment. None of you have none none. Hmm, well, 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:15.320 I've stayed true to that. 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.120 We were going to ask, have you spoken to anyone 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:19.680 on that table? 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.559 You know what, I actually I stayed true to the 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.360 never seeing Oh I haven't even stayed true to that. No, 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.280 because I've seen them. I've seen them and I've spoken 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:35.920 to them. I think at that time, like you're right, 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:37.720 I was at the end of my tether. I was like, 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:42.040 fuck these guys, these guys are shit. I'm going to 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:47.880 get out. But look, since then, most of them have 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:51.800 reached out. This was before the breakup, you know, most 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.640 of them had reached out and said some really nice things, 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:01.080 bumped into a few of them, and then post breakup, 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.960 I've heard from or we've heard from most of them. 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:11.160 I think the ones that we haven't heard from who 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:17.160 cares like they're showing their true colors, whereas you know, 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:22.239 the rest are more than happy to let bygones be bygones. 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:23.960 And at the end of the day, we were filming 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:31.080 a reality TV show. It needed to be entertaining. So yeah, 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.680 and apologies have been made where apologies were needed, and 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:39.720 I think that's the that's the best thing, like, you know, yeah, Okay, 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.640 during filming, we were all very we all had a 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.600 job to do, and that was to make entertaining TV. 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.840 Post filming, where wrong doings and really shitty things have 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:53.720 been said, they've been apologized for, and you cannot ask 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:54.680 for any more than that. 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.120 Were there any surprise apologies you weren't expecting? 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:05.760 Yeah, yeah there was one and I'm not here to 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:10.320 like name, but there was one that I probably or 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:14.840 that we were not expecting that we got. And yeah, 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.720 it's it's it's big of them to do what they 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:21.240 did and apologize for for their part in you know, 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.360 what was effectively a shoot show for us. 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.200 Have you had to think about Obviously it's very early, 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:30.320 but how navigating the dating world being a reality TV 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:34.400 star that was public as a public figure, how is 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:35.240 that going to work out? 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:39.720 I have got no idea. I cannot even entertain the 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:47.800 thought of dating right now. I Oh, I don't know, 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:53.320 I don't know. I feel like everyone is going to 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:59.960 want to know everything, and i'd yeah, honestly, I've not 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.400 thought about it, and it makes me a little bit 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.480 nauseous to think about it. I think for me. I'm 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:11.840 just ignorance, is bliss? I am not thinking about it. 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:13.920 I think that's fair. One thing at a time, right, 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.840 like move back to Melbourne, maybe settle vagoon, see what happens. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:23.480 Say is full? It's full, cannot fit another thing on it. 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.560 We've actually been sent a question from a little surprise guest, 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.560 someone that was on your season. Okay, very interested to 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.080 see your answer on this one. 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.240 Hey, Tory, it's Eden. Lachlan and Talia have tasked me 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.560 with asking you a question today. So every year Maths 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.240 has its so called villains, and unfortunately there's a bit 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.600 of a stigma that comes with that label, often unfairly 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.760 by being by Jack's side through all of that, did 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.760 you feel it all let down by the rest of 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.920 the cast, whether people you considered friends that let you down, 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.400 like they fed into that narrative or didn't support you 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.360 when you really needed it. Me personally, looking back, as 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.880 much as I don't support everything that happened, I think 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:05.840 there's times where I could have been a better friend, 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:07.480 And I just wonder what it was like on the 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.920 receiving end of the position that you guys were in. 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:21.400 God bless her. I love that girl. Yeah, I one 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:23.919 dinner party sticks out for me the most, and it 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.280 was probably the first in a party where everything pops 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:32.600 off with Jack and Lauren. I can't even remember. It 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.960 was a message or a photo at the gym or 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:41.560 whatever it was, I can't remember. And they waited, they 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:45.600 held onto this information and then they let it all 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.879 out at the dinner party. And I remember saying, like 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:53.400 I thought we were fucking friends, Like I understand you're 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:58.800 allowed to text me, but shit, like, if you cared 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.160 about me as much as what you say, and you're 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.119 my friend as much as what you say, why didn't 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.919 you bring this to me away from the dinner party 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.119 and then we could have spoken about how we were 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.720 going to deal with it at the dinner party, because 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:17.639 I'm sure when there were other situations that happened behind 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:21.040 closed doors or on a Saturday or Friday night, that 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.719 there would have been like a little crisis meeting howld 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.760 to make sure the people that were in the wrong 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.120 didn't look like, fuck, we're to the dinner party. And 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.919 I felt like I was never given that opportunity to 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:36.919 have that Okay, girl, we got you, like, what are 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:38.639 we going to do? Like what would you like is 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.479 to say, how do you want this to be played? 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:45.719 I was never a part of that little clique, And 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.600 when I look back at it, I am glad that 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.440 I was never a part of that little clique because 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:56.240 I had no choice, and the same as Jack, we 0:18:56.320 --> 0:19:00.240 had no choice but to stay true to who we 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.280 were and what we were doing, because we didn't have 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.280 that group that was having these little side meetings like Okay, 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.720 this happened on the weekend. How are we going to 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:13.080 package this up and make it so fluffy and it 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:17.520 will just be like it never happened. If I had 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.199 cheated or if Jack had cheated, do you think it 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.320 would have been played out the way that a certain 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.960 cheating scandal played out. Absolutely not. It would have been 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.520 health for the stake, feet on fire like, it would 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:35.840 have been absolute warm. So yeah, I do think I 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:41.200 was let down by the cast. I think whatever now, 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.760 like I really am unfazed by now, But back then, 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:49.879 I was like, yeah, wow, there are really no there's 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.159 no one here that's going to back me but me 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:52.720 and Jack. 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.000 And have you been watching the latest season of Math 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:57.480 or was it like looking back triggering at all to 0:19:57.520 --> 0:19:57.960 watch it? 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:03.800 I was obsessed and the worst part was I was 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:09.919 so like I just took what I saw for value, 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.359 like I'd never been on the shoble, and I was 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:17.560 so vocal and like I think I said to a 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:21.479 post on Instagram, like, guys, I'll do you know, like 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:25.879 episode reactions. And then I found myself like just being 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:30.840 so like aggressive and like involved, and I was like, 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.800 I can't put this on my social media, like I'll 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:35.040 be freaking canceled. 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:40.080 Well, you recently clapped back at Jackie on social media, 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.120 I mean to fill people in. She had basically did 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.720 a Q and A. She was asked about your breakup 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.199 with jack and she said I never liked jack so 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:52.919 very glad she deserves more than him. And then you 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.560 and a few other MATH stars basically called her out. 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:59.479 What are your thoughts on this year's cast and have 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.280 you spoken with Jackie or had any more interaction since then? 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.639 No, I haven't spoken to Jackie, And honestly, like a 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:07.600 day doesn't go past where I'm like, oh God, I 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:14.359 want to speak to Jackie, but I don't. I like 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:19.720 this year was just a nightmare, Like I just felt 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:26.520 like there was little spotfires everywhere, and like, I don't know, 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.040 I felt like there was a lot of double standards. 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:33.639 I think it was it was messy. One way to 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:37.000 put it. It was messy. I feel like with our season, 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:42.159 it was consistent that it was kind of you know, 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:44.639 all there was always something new happening. There was always 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:49.920 something new being said or someone did something shitty every week. 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:53.680 It wasn't the same thing harped on each and every 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:56.080 week other than Jack and I are sex Life. But 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:59.920 apart from that, there was something new this season. I 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:04.600 just felt like it was very manufactured. Not a lot 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:07.280 was going on. They had little to work with, so 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:11.960 they just rinsed everything that they called over and over again. 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.000 I think the only other thing that I really spoke 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:18.359 on my social media about was Tim and that was 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:21.400 another thing I was like, yeah, like someone like tell 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.400 me he's a good guy and I'll share the responses. 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:27.200 Could not share the responses. 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:33.000 There's been a lot of talk recently, especially this year, 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:36.119 with Maths and looking at the production and the ethics 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:40.760 of the show. Do you think from your experience, Maths 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:44.720 should be investigated or doing anything more to protect the cast. 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:48.600 Look, at the end of the day, it's a workplace, right, 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:53.480 they pay us, We do a job. It's a workplace. 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:59.880 We need to be respected and cared for as any 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:03.200 one who goes to work should be. And I think 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:07.280 probably the biggest thing for them that they really push 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:12.879 the boundary on is probably that duty of care, because 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.480 you know, at the end of the day, Yeah, sure, 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:19.040 we sign a contract. I get that. Does anyone read 0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:22.560 the one hundred and seventy seven pages of the contract. No, 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.480 but it is very clearly stated to you at the 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:30.760 front in a nutshell We're gonna fuck with you. That's 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:35.840 what you're signing up for. And we're all like, so 0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:42.359 what line we not even We're just like yeap, sign, date, scan, 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.840 send it back, because you don't know at that time, 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:47.520 you don't know what they're going to do and the 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:50.520 severity of what they're going to do to you. So 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:53.920 I think, yeah, there needs to be probably a little 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:59.440 bit more regulation around let's understand what the term defamation is, 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:06.200 understand what the term bullying means. You know, like, let's 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:10.879 just rain it in a little bit, because sure it's entertaining, 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:15.520 that's great, and the viewers are seeing, you know, sixty 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:19.600 minutes of footage that you know has been taken over 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:23.520