WEBVTT - Ever heard of the glamour gap? Kate Langbroek has some thoughts 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:10.800 Hello, and welcome to something to talk about. I'm Sarah 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:13.080 La Marquin. I almost forgot my name for a minute, 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:17.520 just then welcome to this episode. It has been five 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:20.520 years since Kate Lanebrook and her husband and four children 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.560 packed up to move to Italy, a decision that to 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.599 this day has people stopping her in the street to 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:30.680 talk about. Now firmly entrenched back into the reality of 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.400 life back in Australia, we decided it was time to 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:37.880 sit down with the always entertaining and always unpredictable Kate 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:41.120 to shamelessly pick her brains for an update on the 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:42.920 whole work life family. 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:44.800 Ratio in mid twenty twenty four. 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.960 Apart from her thoughts on shadow labor and the often 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.080 thankless work performed by many across the country day in 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.600 and day out, we also talk about the quote unquote 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:59.800 glamour gap that exists between male and female television presenters 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.120 when it comes to the very large difference in time 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:07.600 spent in hair and makeup. So given Kate describes herself 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:10.920 as a lazy dresser, as she says even her boots 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:13.160 have to have zips if she can't be bothered doing 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.400 up laces. Would the glamor gap be a deal breaker 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.679 if she were to be offered the TV job of 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:23.400 her dreams. I also ask her about her apparent witching powers, 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:27.160 and she opens up about experiencing anxiety for the first 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:30.399 time in her life last year and how her husband's 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:36.160 response unexpectedly inspired her latest project. Kate Langbrook, Welcome back 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:37.640 to Something to talk About. 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:45.160 Kay, Sarah Serah, whatever will be will be? Quit chatting 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:50.360 just you and me? Okay, Sarah Sarah? Does everyone always 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:51.320 sing that song to you? 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:52.720 No, you're the first person. 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:56.640 Ah, We've recorded it because you know that's what we do, 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.280 because it's a podcast. So do I have your permission 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.800 to use that and new opening credits for Something to 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:02.240 Talk About? 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:07.960 You have my permission to use me any way you like? 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:09.240 Milady friends. 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.560 Oh well, look, Kate, it's already been an absolute pleasure 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:16.360 having you back on Something to talk about. You know, 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.560 I was going to mention I don't always talk about 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.119 things that go off air. Don't panic here, don't worry. 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:25.360 It's nothing controversial. I think we did all of that 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.840 on air, didn't we And that's tame when we went. 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:30.760 Off air, and you know I'm not a panicer. 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.600 No, No, that that is right. I do not think 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:35.920 that I could make you panic, but I certainly don't 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.200 even want to. But at the end of our chat 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.400 last year, Kate, we had a conversation about catching up. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.280 And I know that sounds so flippant, but I'm not 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.919 somebody that, within reason says that too flippantly. Oh, let's 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.320 really catch up, let's have a COMPLI let's do lunch. 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:56.119 I really mean it, and I honestly feel you all this. Obviously, 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.920 I think everyone knows what Kate says is pretty straight shooter. 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.800 But of course, spoiler alert, we never did did we no? 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:07.840 No? Because we were like Morning side of the Mountain 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:11.880 and Twilight side of the hill, Like, we just live 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.160 in different universes and it's hard to get them together. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.960 So I actually look forward to this because it's you know, 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.639 it's fun. Well that we get to thank you. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.080 And that's exactly what I was going to say, and 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.560 so our dear listeners, basically what I'm saying to you 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.079 is it's never a hardship for you to sit down 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:34.280 and have virtual coffee and banana bread with Kate Langbrook, 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.360 and for me selfishly, because she and I never got 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.720 together to have real coffee and real banana bread. This 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:43.040 is our excuse to catch up again. 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:43.840 Kate. 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:48.200 You have recently launched your own podcast, The buck Up 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:53.560 with Late Balbo, which is a weekly antidote that promises 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:58.880 to provide a joyous reprieve from depressing news cycles, buzzwords 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:03.240 to do lists with a whole lot of laughter and levity. Kate, 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.520 I definitely need laughter and levity in my life. I 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.920 think a lot of us do right now. So I 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:12.640 am proposing that today we do a bit of a podcast, 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.080 smash up a little bit of something to talk about, 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.320 and then I thought we could maybe bring a little 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.279 bit of the buck up. So what do you think 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.479 two podcasts for the price perfect. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:26.680 Perfect fantastics because otherwise the times are heavy. They are, 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:31.240 there's no doubt, and there's no doubt that it's important 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.000 that you take on that stuff. But the way also, 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.279 because we're so connected and the news is just coming 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.599 at you constantly, there's only so much the human spirit 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.480 can bear. And there's these other aspects to the human 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:49.599 spirit which actually help you endure everything and make bad 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:53.440 times better, and that is humor and joy and as 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.120 you said, levity and just an exchange of stories from 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:01.520 your life you know how these hopefully everyone has a 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:05.279 friend that when they see that friend they feel better after. 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.839 You know, some people are drainers, some people drainers, and 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.560 some people are taps. So Nathan Valvo and I are 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:15.880 the tap. We're just going to You can turn the 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:18.240 tap on it anytime there's a little half hour. We 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.919 guarantee you'll feel better at the end of it, just 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:26.039 for us sharing our lives, our listeners lives and having 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:31.160 a laugh about things, because laughter is the greatest gift. 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:33.920 It absolutely is. 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.839 It is as I said, really well, actually I stole 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.320 it from the press release, so antidote is not my word. 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:41.800 It's whoever did the very clever press release for the 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.240 buck Up. But it really is the antidote to what 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:45.039 we're living through. 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.520 Glad Yeah, the antidote to the times. And in fact, 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:52.599 Sarah Harris, who does the project and who I'm lucky 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.960 enough to see on Tuesday nights when I do the show, 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:59.000 she sent me a message the other day when the 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.720 other week when at law and she said, oh my goodness, 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:07.320 I actually do feel better than I did, And she said, 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:12.839 this is the Prozac of podcasts. If I was really clever, 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:13.680 I would have put that. 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:17.760 In antidote prozac all the same thing, look Sarah Harris, 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.799 she could also be writing press releases on the side. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:24.400 And I think also, Kate, as you say, sometimes we 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:28.880 need that levity and it has quite a profound, I 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:33.400 think effect on the human spirit. And sometimes humor and 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.599 the lightness and the having a bit of fun and 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:41.680 frivolity is something that sometimes people think, oh, I'm not 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.680 going to be taken seriously, or people are going to 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.040 say these are very serious times, we don't have time 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:50.480 for something called the buck up. But actually it's it's critical, 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:54.320 as you say, and it's so great when people that 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:58.760 have that profile like I do not necessarily need to 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.120 be quote unquote sin because I think. 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.400 Any more than you already are and through your work, 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.400 and you know, we're all exposed to the world, and 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:10.560 because of the nature of the world we live in, 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.800 we're even exposed to parts of the world and happenings 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.680 in the world that we normally would not be And 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.520 sometimes when I look at the news in the morning, 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:25.360 I'm just like, oh, a terrible like terrible, and you 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.960 feel a weight inside you that really, if you were 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.760 to live I guess in a way that in a 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:36.200 more old fashioned way, I guess you would know your neighbors. 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:39.280 You would know you know the people at school, or 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:41.360 the other people walking their dogs, or the people at 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:50.040 the shops. You wouldn't necessarily have that weight on you. You 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:52.640 would have a proper community. So I think community has 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.760 been kind of become a bit of a weezer word 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.280 in many ways, of like, any time people want to 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.720 just lump people together, they call it commuit unity. But 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:06.320 real community is linked by knowing each other. And when 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.440 you're taking on all this stuff from people that you 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:10.679 don't know, and it fills you with fear of your children, 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.880 for the world, for people that you love, it's not 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:17.080 helpful to anybody because all it does is atrophy you, 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:21.000 I think, and make you incapable of It makes you 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:26.240 scared of your fellow humans. And it's just it's just 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:27.400 not helpful. 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.480 And it's connection too, isn't it. Because as you say, 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:34.200 the word community has been a little bit exploited, probably 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.320 by I think certain sort of corporate jargon over the 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:39.080 last few years. 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.240 But at its heart, it is about. 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:45.120 That human connection and that's such a critical part of 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.720 navigating all of these parts of life. None of us 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.079 can do it without the village as we say. 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.680 No, that's right. And you know, if you've because I've 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.760 been lucky enough to spend most of my professional life 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:02.679 in well across many camps really but very soundly rooted 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:07.240 in comedy and with comedians. That's always been during the 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:12.640 comedy festivals, you know, Melbourne recently, Sydney's got Brisbane's got one. 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:16.600 When you sit in a room of people laughing, the 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:23.839 energy is so great, it's so powerful, but it's always underestimated. 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:29.280 It's like it's a long standing understood truth that a comedy, 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:35.160 a comedy film will never win an Academy Award. You've 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.199 got to delve into the depths and you know, get 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.559 a beautiful actress to make yourself look ugly and then 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.640 everyone's like, oh yay. But comedy is, like you said, 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:48.600 a little bit, it's not valued. It's seen as a 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:52.400 flippancy and sometimes it can be, but it also is 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:57.920 one of the basic tenets of my survival. And as 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:02.040 Megan Marker would see, my thrive. It's not enough to survive, 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:07.440 it gotta thrive, and it is. It's just happiness is 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:11.880 such a leavening of the breed of your soul that 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.280 it makes everything else happy. 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.880 Wow, that was a beautiful sentence. Kate. 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:22.880 You mentioned Sarah Harris therean that you appear alongside her 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:28.240 on the project on Tuesdays, and you also appear instellar today. 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:32.920 You've been photographed for Images so beautiful. 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:34.840 That was such a beautiful shoes. 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.520 I wanted to ask you about that side of your 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.319 role in the media. Because of the project, there's big 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.600 hair and makeup, and then there's wardrobe, and then you 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:47.920 come on set for Stella if there's a lot of 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:52.960 obviously focus on the styling, what you wear, hair and makeup. Again, 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:57.719 do you like that side of what your role sometimes 0:10:57.880 --> 0:10:58.599 demands of you? 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:05.320 Kate, mm, Well, the wardrobe girls will tell you, and 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.160 my girlfriend Alice would tell you that I am a 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:12.680 lazy dresser. Like even my boots I've gone on have 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:17.120 to have zips. I can't be bothering laces. Like sometimes 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:20.280 my Girlfriendnaly says to me, are you a toddler? That 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:26.560 you that you I would almost have velcrow, but it 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.920 is very lucky. It's like it's a beautiful thing. And 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.920 particularly during lockdown, you really learned that that the things 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:38.280 that you once resented or you know you saw as 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:43.720 an obstacle were actually things you were lucky to have. 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.120 So to go in once a week and have someone 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:51.120 actually do your makeup or do your hair was incredible, 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:56.679 And so I try to be less lazy. But when 0:11:56.720 --> 0:12:00.600 I go into the project and the style of Rachel 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.640 sort of oversees this team of other stylists in there, 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.480 and they really just these so great and they're doing news, 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:10.080 they're doing whatever. And I've got some clothes hanging on 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.240 the rack. Normally this is what I do. I try 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.839 on the first one, I put it on over whatever 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.320 T shirt I'm wearing at the time, and I go, 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:23.200 that'll do. They're always like, can you try on the others? 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:27.320 Just so we know. I'm like, oh, man, like really pitiful, 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.880 and this is my uniform that I wear all the time. 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:34.600 I've got overalls on. Do you call them overalls? That yes, 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:36.400 bib and brace. 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.840 Overalls like yeah, I think other people, yeah, say braces, 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:44.400 but absolutely overalls over a T shirt. 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:47.000 Over a T shirt. I have very few shirts in 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:50.559 my Wardrobeordan's taking them. 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:53.559 Other buttons, yeah, button I don't love, but dresser. 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.199 Yes, you've got it. You've got it. So just things 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.520 I can pull on and pull off things I can 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:04.240 zip and weep off. So I do enjoy like everyone 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:09.760 like sometimes you put on a garment, So transformative, isn't it. 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:13.679 It really elevates you. You're like, it's great for the spirit. 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.920 Like laughter. Beauty is also, I think, a high principle, 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:23.080 not a low principle. So not like in a not 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:28.880 in a self obsessed sort of I'm gonna say, kardash 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.800 in way just a shorthand for what we know what 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:37.160 that means, but as our noble principle. Entire you know, 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.080 entire civilizations have been founded on the love of beauty, 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.320 you know, the Romans and the Italians to this day, 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.160 et cetera. So it does. It elevates you and it 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:51.320 lifts you up. But I am loath to use that 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.840 as much as I possibly should. Also because I'm busy. 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:58.480 I've got four kids, I've got a husband, I work, 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:00.680 and I can't be asked. 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.920 It's I'm reluctant. It would be a bit cliche of 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.400 me to say, it's so refreshing to hear a woman 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.320 in the spotlight that's going on national television or going 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:16.360 in a major national magazine saying not going to worry 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.880 too much about that. So I'll be cliche and say 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:22.680 it is refreshing to hear somebody say that. But I 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:24.800 think about this a little bit in terms of women, 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.360 because I would say, for me, kay, I do agree 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.640 with you about aesthetic like it's something that actually feel 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:32.880 quite strongly with is a form of I think self 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:36.760 expression and identity, and it's some it can be misunderstood 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.600 in our society because I think everyone assumes if a 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:44.120 woman's taking those things seriously whatever it is, that oh, 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:48.240 she's pandering to the male gaze, or there's some sort 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:53.320 of metric to use, as he said, the Kardashian shorthand 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:54.240 for it, and. 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.080 Who have taken it, because they have taken it to 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:00.000 this extraordinary length. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.880 Exactly, and there is obviously a level of exploitation and 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.600 more problematic things going on there. But that doesn't mean 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:12.320 that leaning into any of that glamour fashion style, whatever 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:16.920 it is, it doesn't have a more profound connection to 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:21.680 identity and self expression. But I always also love exploring 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.400 the idea that some people are like, that's just not 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.280 really something that I can be bothered doing. 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:27.960 The buttons up or what. 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:31.200 Else would constitute address that you might think, well, that 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.720 would be amazing, but just could not be bothered. I'm 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.560 assuming zippers are good, are they? 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.440 I mean, you know, really good. I don't want to 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.200 sound like I'm amish. What is it the Armies are 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.600 they anti zipper? It must be zippers, is it? But 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:44.480 they have buttons? 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:46.720 Didn't know that they were anti zipper? 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.120 Nice And because I think it's one of those fastenings 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.680 is new technology, so it must be the zipper. 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:58.120 Because right, yes, yes, that's a I can't imagine then, 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.560 like you talked about laces before, and so like a 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:04.360 corset or something like that. Yes, million different buttons just yes, 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:05.000 never never. 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.920 You know, when you watch you know something set in 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:13.480 you oldie times and they look so beautiful and they're 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.840 sort of wasp wasted, or you know that show that 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:20.200 We're Bridgitton. When I was watching Bridgington, right, I was 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:24.080 like those they look so beautiful and it really is 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:30.000 like that that it's the epitome of feminine, right, sometimes 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.000 even to the point of being crippling in many ways, 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:36.920 but it was the epitome of femininity. But I'm just like, 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:41.160 what would I have done in the olden days? What 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:46.840 would I have done? Oh? There is no way unless 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.840 I had a lady in waiting, you know, and you 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.280 did the traditional lean over the table. 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.120 Was Scarlet O'Hara and gone with them? 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:00.560 Yes, exactly exactly, But more likely I would have been 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:06.600 not upstairs but downstairs and in some steamy kitchen, you know, 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.800 with all everything hanging out as I juggled pots and pans, 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:14.159 you know, for them upstairs. But even so, if I 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.760 was downstairs, I would be like the downstairs in the Titanic, 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:19.520 you know, they would. 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:20.920 Dancing jig and the ones. 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.959 Of course, yes, the car, the car. 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.120 You would be there with Leo, doesn't matter what part, 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.920 first class, wherever it's going to be, Kate, Leo steamy 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:32.800 hand on the car. 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.080 Well, I think I'm dancing a jig wherever I am. 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.000 I like to think I'm dancing a jig. Yeah, even 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.120 if it's just internally. I think. 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.240 You know, Kate, if you did decide to go back 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.600 into acting, we talked about your acting career last time, 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.520 maybe like a period drama, you know, Bridgeton, and it 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:53.080 could be what does somebody with Kate Langbrook's fuss free 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.359 approach to dressing in this time? 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:58.080 I mean, really. 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.600 Imagine, imagine that when I come the diamond of the 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.880 season and then I come in all at jiggle, they 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:07.400 would not like it. 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.600 What about the makeup? Hair and makeup? We talk about 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.040 the pay gap? I have talked about the pay gap, 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:17.920 Yes we have. I'm sure of course you have heard 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:22.200 and observed firsthand multiple times the hair and makeup gap. 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.280 I'm not sure what it's called. Maybe there's a fancy 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:27.919 word for it, the glamor everybody ever talks about that. 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:32.280 So let's say you're at the Project on Tuesday night 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:36.879 and yes, you know, you and Sarah. All women on 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.760 commercial TV, not just in Australia, around the world can 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:44.040 be anywhere between you know, forty five minute minimum, often 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.639 sixty ninety minutes, and people are listening going what do 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:51.000 they do in that time? Believe me, they do, They 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.160 do things. And then you would have Will Lead or 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:55.480 any of your male. 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:59.840 Sam Taunton sad they whipping five minutes before the HI. 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:02.439 How does that make you true? 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.720 Well, you know this is interesting because it's like anyone 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.199 listening to this, who any woman who's got ready for 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.679 an event that she's going to with her partner, husband 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:16.240 or whatever, would have noted this. The leader, the prep, 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.719 the whatever, the shopping, the shoes, the fittings, the la la, 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.359 and then the husband if he even has a tux 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:29.920 or puts it on, brushes his hair, squirt of whatever 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.080 to hide the funk of him, and he's out the door. 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:39.240 But this is what I kind of think if I 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:44.520 was offered the and it is television, right, so it's vision, 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.919 so that's a very important part. Like today I've come in, 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:52.200 I'm not wearing makeup. Probably I should be. For people 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.000 who for her high death watching this in a high definition, 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:59.919 which is, by the way, horrendous. If I was off 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:02.760 to go on the show, on that show or any 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:07.119 other and offered the opportunity to save sixty to ninety 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:11.920 minutes a day, I would not take it. Really, I 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.479 wouldn't take it too much time, but I would put 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:20.600 I would put this this shiny halloween lantern face on 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:27.160 television without any of the niceties that go with television. 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:29.960 I actually wouldn't do it, to be honest, even though 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:31.440 we dream of it. When we see the guys, we're 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.040 always like, it's how easy for you? Which it is. 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:41.159 And then let's just say that you were thinking about 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.360 going back or moving into TV full time you were 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:49.439 offered to aim her morning TV show or whatever TV 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:51.360 may look like in five years, could be a whole 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:54.439 other time slot that I'm not even thinking and it 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:58.240 all sounds great, and then they say, and it would be, 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:00.679 you know, ninety minutes every day day in hair and 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:04.240 makeup Monday to Friday and then wardrobe. Would that then 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:05.760 be a deal breaker for you, Kate? 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:10.600 I do think I think of that often when I see, 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:14.080 you know, the sisters who do who do Morning Teva, 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:17.879 you know, Silvia or nat Bar Gean. Nat Bar is 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.000 doing some heavy hitting at the moment, by the way, 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.160 isn't she She's just just like bam bam coming out 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:28.399 swinging amazing. Anyway, I think they've got up. It's like 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:32.320 that Ginger Rogers Fred Astare thing with their male co 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:36.159 hosts everything. They're doing everything he did, but backwards in 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:40.399 high heels and in hair and makeup nineteen minutes before. 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.320 So they must be getting in at like three thirty 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:45.160 in the morning they are. I don't know it comes 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:51.000 at You're right, it would be a consideration, But I 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.520 also don't think, you know, if you're wanting people to 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:58.640 wake up with you, I think it's nice that you 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.760 have made that effort, don't you. 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:04.840 I do. It's what I wanted to ask you about it, 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.560 because I don't think there's any easy answers to this. 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:11.879 As in it's as you said, it's that example, getting 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:14.720 ready for an event at home. If you're in a 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:17.119 heterosexual relationship and the as the guy comes in and 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:20.760 gets ready in two minutes. It's not fair and it's crazy. 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:25.960 But then are we outraged about it? And that is 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:27.760 some people may be outraged. 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:28.159 I'm not. 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:31.200 I really wanted to know. Yeah, what what your thoughts? 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:35.080 No, but it's just one of those things that you clock. 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:36.120 It is. 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:41.160 It's like at Christmas time, Christmas would not happen without 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:42.920 the women generally. 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:45.080 That's right. Well, I do get a bit outraged about it. 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:48.920 Yeah, it's annoying. It's annoying. It's you know, no one 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.679 in an office would get a present if were it 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:53.879 not for the women. This is true, you know what 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:56.240 I mean. It's like it's just the stuff that we do. 0:22:56.320 --> 0:23:00.000 But I think in many ways like that your strength, 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:05.520 there is also your weakness. So women make the world beautiful, 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:08.520 and we are the ornaments of the world. There is 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:10.840 no doubt We're not the birds. We're not the drab, 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:15.879 brown ones. We're the colorful, beautiful ones. Not always don't 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:19.399 have to be, but that is something that is open 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:24.160 to us, and I love that we have that capacity 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:27.560 I have, but it can also consume you. 0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:28.359