WEBVTT - There Was Blood Everywhere 0:00:05.921 --> 0:00:07.281 Apoche production. 0:00:13.001 --> 0:00:16.281 He was a goofy dad, you know. He did all 0:00:16.281 --> 0:00:19.000 these little funny jokes and as a little kid, I 0:00:19.001 --> 0:00:20.041 thought they were hilarious. 0:00:21.241 --> 0:00:24.481 Linda Willeman and her husband Darren dropped her father John 0:00:24.601 --> 0:00:28.481 Jensen home on Sunday after a family lunch. They say 0:00:28.641 --> 0:00:31.561 he was in good spirits, but the sixty eight year 0:00:31.601 --> 0:00:33.961 old has disappeared without a trace. 0:00:35.241 --> 0:00:38.361 At no time as he indicated suicidal tendencies. 0:00:40.441 --> 0:00:43.641 That fall has never sat well with me, I'll be honest. 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:47.761 Well, the discovery of John Jensen's car outside the Lancelon 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.881 Beach Hotel is a big breakthrough in the police search 0:00:51.081 --> 0:00:53.081 for the missing ocean reef grandfather. 0:00:53.761 --> 0:00:56.081 Look, he did have a bit of depression and I 0:00:56.161 --> 0:00:58.561 put the light on and then I just saw blood. Yeah, 0:00:58.641 --> 0:01:03.041 all these blood footprints pretty much. She was very in 0:01:03.081 --> 0:01:04.881 your face then and there was there's quite a lot 0:01:04.881 --> 0:01:07.041 of and I was like, what the hell is happening? 0:01:07.081 --> 0:01:10.401 And I yelled out and I think he was murdered. No, 0:01:10.601 --> 0:01:12.681 I hand on my heart. 0:01:13.081 --> 0:01:15.881 I believe he was murdered because this is my dad, 0:01:16.401 --> 0:01:18.441 this is my story, this is what happened. 0:01:23.401 --> 0:01:27.641 Belle Wilma is John Jensen's youngest daughter, She is an 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:29.961 older sister, and as you heard in the last episode, 0:01:30.441 --> 0:01:34.121 that relationship has become strained since the disappearance of their dad. 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:39.200 On June twenty five, twenty seventeen, Belle's mother passed away 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:42.321 from a heart attack in the family home, six years 0:01:42.321 --> 0:01:47.000 before the last moment they saw their dad. Belle was 0:01:47.041 --> 0:01:49.041 the first person to find a mum's body in the 0:01:49.041 --> 0:01:52.441 back room. Her dad, Jasper, continued to live in the 0:01:52.481 --> 0:01:55.041 family house until he went missing. 0:01:56.721 --> 0:02:05.041 Yeah. Absolutely, he wasn't worried. That didn't again, it didn't. 0:02:05.281 --> 0:02:06.801 That's where he wanted to be, you know. 0:02:06.881 --> 0:02:08.681 That was that was our family home, and we still 0:02:08.721 --> 0:02:11.441 had had fond memories and. 0:02:10.921 --> 0:02:12.641 And what happened was just, you know. 0:02:12.641 --> 0:02:16.840 A tragic It was a tragic situation, but it wasn't 0:02:17.161 --> 0:02:19.401 obviously caused by anyone else. It was it was obviously 0:02:19.441 --> 0:02:22.201 meant to happen. It's no one else was involved. And 0:02:23.121 --> 0:02:25.921 the only thing I struggled the most sort of going 0:02:25.921 --> 0:02:29.120 in that back room, but actually going to the house. 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:30.561 Didn't bother me at all. You know. 0:02:30.601 --> 0:02:32.321 It taught me a few months to sort of get 0:02:32.321 --> 0:02:34.281 myself okay, just just do it, you know, because I 0:02:34.361 --> 0:02:36.761 everyone went in there, I just kept saying, Mum, you 0:02:36.761 --> 0:02:39.520 know the images images there. But you know I got 0:02:39.561 --> 0:02:40.761 over that fairly quickly, and. 0:02:42.601 --> 0:02:46.041 Jessper had adapted to life without his wife. Across the 0:02:46.121 --> 0:02:49.520 six years since she passed, he'd started to play golf 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.280 and hang out with his friends. He had a small 0:02:52.321 --> 0:02:54.641 but close group of friends because he was a bit 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:58.161 of a quiet guy. He enjoyed staying at home watching 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.241 Kelly in the front room of the ocean roof house 0:03:00.281 --> 0:03:07.801 that they lived in. Across the period of years, Jawn's 0:03:07.841 --> 0:03:11.601 health started to suffer. He developed a few medical issues, 0:03:11.601 --> 0:03:14.280 which made it harder for him to pursue his love 0:03:14.321 --> 0:03:17.761 of golf. It came to a head in twenty sixteen 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.761 when he went to his GP for some medical issues. 0:03:21.921 --> 0:03:23.961 Well, the thing that we were trying to get on 0:03:24.001 --> 0:03:27.800 top of with his peripheral ropathy, and that was basically 0:03:28.281 --> 0:03:32.321 nerve damage or nerve pain in his feet. I mean, 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.161 being a laborer, he had back, you know, back problems. 0:03:36.201 --> 0:03:39.801 But that's fairly fairly common, you know, that brick labor 0:03:39.921 --> 0:03:40.681 of all his life. 0:03:40.721 --> 0:03:42.881 But you know, the recent thing that had come. 0:03:42.761 --> 0:03:46.841 Up around them was you know, we couldn't couldn't figure 0:03:46.841 --> 0:03:49.041 out whys for his feet were spelling and things like that. 0:03:49.081 --> 0:03:51.921 So we're trying to get on top of the neuropathy pain. 0:03:52.521 --> 0:03:53.881 So I was the one that actually took him to 0:03:54.121 --> 0:03:57.761 a pain management specialist to try and look at other 0:03:57.801 --> 0:04:00.481 ways of you know, instead of you know, hard medication 0:04:00.601 --> 0:04:02.921 and stuff like that, and you know that the sort 0:04:02.921 --> 0:04:05.921 of stuff to be in mind. So yeah, that that's 0:04:05.921 --> 0:04:06.961 sort of why I took him there. 0:04:07.641 --> 0:04:10.841 And so in the Corners report, which which was obviously 0:04:10.841 --> 0:04:13.001 had a look at, it was mentioned he saw a 0:04:13.041 --> 0:04:15.841 pain specialist, which is I'm guessing the pain specialists you 0:04:15.921 --> 0:04:19.841 took him to correct His pain was a nine out 0:04:19.881 --> 0:04:23.761 of ten normally, and when the medication wore off, it 0:04:23.801 --> 0:04:25.720 was a one out of ten. So this pain medication 0:04:25.761 --> 0:04:28.881 he was taken was was pretty useful for his pain. 0:04:29.121 --> 0:04:33.841 It was absolutely, absolutely one hundred percent. And yeah, the 0:04:33.841 --> 0:04:35.681 other issues were sort of flare up. 0:04:35.921 --> 0:04:37.121 It wasn't all the time. 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.640 You know, it was something that he could, you know, 0:04:41.041 --> 0:04:44.760 we could manage, and he, like you know with other 0:04:45.281 --> 0:04:48.041 my husbands at chronic fatigue, you know, he's been able 0:04:48.081 --> 0:04:52.640 to manage, you know, his go through ups and lows 0:04:52.681 --> 0:04:55.440 and what have you. And Dad was able to do 0:04:55.481 --> 0:04:59.801 the same thing. Yeah, we were just getting we were 0:04:59.801 --> 0:05:02.921 getting on top of it. That's fairly normal for any 0:05:03.041 --> 0:05:04.921 sixty odd year old. 0:05:06.521 --> 0:05:09.041 What sort of drugs was your dad on for his 0:05:09.201 --> 0:05:09.921 chronic back pain. 0:05:10.761 --> 0:05:14.921 He morphine patches and that worked. That worked really well. 0:05:15.161 --> 0:05:17.121 Obviously, they just played around with the dosage just to 0:05:17.161 --> 0:05:21.921 get the dosage right. So yeah, the morphine patches worked 0:05:21.921 --> 0:05:25.801 really well. That didn't help the neuropathy pain. So we were, yeah, 0:05:25.961 --> 0:05:28.641 just looking at at what other options there were because 0:05:28.841 --> 0:05:32.561 he was eventually put on this horrendous drug which should 0:05:32.601 --> 0:05:36.760 not be prescribed to anyone, and especially people you know, 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:38.601 in his condition, and with the other drugs that he 0:05:38.681 --> 0:05:40.681 was on, I think it was it was the wrong move. 0:05:40.801 --> 0:05:43.321 But he was put on this, this particular drug, and 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.561 that was the drug which did make him feel really crappy, 0:05:47.761 --> 0:05:50.400 you know, and it had it had side effects, but 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:50.921 he was. 0:05:50.921 --> 0:05:52.921 Not aware of the side effects. 0:05:53.121 --> 0:05:57.281 We were having regular appointments to keep on top of it, 0:05:57.481 --> 0:06:00.401 and you know, and realized, no, we need to win 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:01.641 off this particular medication. 0:06:02.161 --> 0:06:03.641 And that's what exactly what. 0:06:03.641 --> 0:06:06.681 Happened, was that the oxyco no I no, that was 0:06:06.721 --> 0:06:08.520 actually the neuronton that I'm talking about. 0:06:09.681 --> 0:06:15.601 The obviously codin' again. You know, it was sort of 0:06:15.641 --> 0:06:17.361 pushed on to him in a little way. 0:06:17.361 --> 0:06:18.961 There was someone else in his life that was sort 0:06:19.001 --> 0:06:21.600 of saying, here, yeah, this is a good option. It's 0:06:21.681 --> 0:06:24.961 really good for paying medication. And I was the one going, 0:06:25.001 --> 0:06:27.880 but this is really strong medication. You know, I'd actually 0:06:27.961 --> 0:06:30.960 had that when I had had a cesarean, and I 0:06:31.001 --> 0:06:33.520 was like, Dad, this is pretty strong stuff. And you know, 0:06:33.641 --> 0:06:37.121 he quickly realized, well, that's it's not actually helping him, 0:06:37.161 --> 0:06:39.681 and you know, not a lot. He was a doctor saying, 0:06:39.721 --> 0:06:42.561 you know, take this sparingly, and he was taking it sparely. 0:06:42.561 --> 0:06:45.281 I remember Dad going me towards you and you know, 0:06:45.281 --> 0:06:46.001 I've got so much. 0:06:46.001 --> 0:06:47.281 I'm not not taking meny at all. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.041 Like he had thirty sitting there and he goes the 0:06:49.081 --> 0:06:50.320 doctor's like, well, do you need anymore? 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:52.161 And he goes, no, I've still got like thirty there. 0:06:53.081 --> 0:06:56.481 So the doctor he wasn't taking you know, he'd gotten 0:06:56.481 --> 0:06:58.880 on top of that that that was not the issue. 0:06:59.241 --> 0:07:01.720 And so he was also an antidepressant, but he stopped 0:07:02.041 --> 0:07:02.721 pretty quickly. 0:07:03.561 --> 0:07:06.321 Okay, so he was put on a couple of different 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.721 anti presents, but for different reasons. First of all, it 0:07:09.841 --> 0:07:12.321 was to use as a nerve blocker, so it wasn't 0:07:12.321 --> 0:07:16.321 actually for depression. There's various types of anti presentants that 0:07:16.321 --> 0:07:20.161 are not necessarily for depression. It's spent for nerve problems. 0:07:20.201 --> 0:07:22.961 And he was trialed I think one or two different 0:07:23.601 --> 0:07:26.361 ones which they just didn't sit well in a diarrhea 0:07:26.401 --> 0:07:28.681 and vomiting and so you know, he sees those quite quickly. 0:07:30.921 --> 0:07:32.241 So that's why he sees those. 0:07:33.361 --> 0:07:35.961 And I guess around this period, which was about a 0:07:36.001 --> 0:07:39.361 couple of months period, so we're talking late twenty sixteen 0:07:39.601 --> 0:07:42.681 sort of you know, December, which was when they were 0:07:42.721 --> 0:07:44.681 really trying to figure out, you know, we get his 0:07:44.761 --> 0:07:45.441 medications right. 0:07:45.481 --> 0:07:47.921 But again that's fairly normal. I look at his GP records. 0:07:48.161 --> 0:07:50.801 They were doing the right thing, seeing him fortnightly going on, 0:07:50.801 --> 0:07:52.521 we've got to just this this, and it was going, yeah, 0:07:52.521 --> 0:07:55.161 he's feeling better, and you know, we're getting. 0:07:54.961 --> 0:07:55.561 On top of it. 0:07:55.561 --> 0:07:58.121 It was a brief period of time that has been 0:07:58.121 --> 0:08:00.401 made out to be for twelve months. 0:08:00.441 --> 0:08:00.881 It wasn't. 0:08:00.961 --> 0:08:03.441 It was you know, one or two months. They're like, okay, 0:08:03.721 --> 0:08:05.321 you know Saw, and new Doc dur Any goes, well, 0:08:05.361 --> 0:08:06.761 let's get off, isn't it ront And that was the 0:08:06.801 --> 0:08:07.641 first thing they had to do. 0:08:08.281 --> 0:08:09.441 Well, started weaning him off. 0:08:09.521 --> 0:08:12.961 So you know, over that January through to up until May, 0:08:13.321 --> 0:08:14.840 he was fully weaned off this medication. 0:08:14.921 --> 0:08:16.401 And you have to wean it. You can't just take 0:08:16.401 --> 0:08:16.681 it off. 0:08:16.681 --> 0:08:17.881 What is that medication? 0:08:18.001 --> 0:08:18.241 Sorry? 0:08:18.241 --> 0:08:23.001 And what is It's neuron or gabba penton. It's supposed 0:08:23.001 --> 0:08:27.401 to reduce the swelling in your fee tour and I 0:08:27.441 --> 0:08:30.840 think for memory it sort of did help the pain. 0:08:31.161 --> 0:08:34.401 But you know, it had horrible slide effects. So it's 0:08:34.441 --> 0:08:37.361 a drug that I don't think he should ever have 0:08:37.361 --> 0:08:39.761 been put on. And it was, you know, very important 0:08:39.761 --> 0:08:41.601 for him to went off. And once he was off it, 0:08:41.761 --> 0:08:43.641 you could tell. You could tell he was sort of 0:08:43.641 --> 0:08:45.681 clear of mind. And because it was a strong character, 0:08:45.721 --> 0:08:48.641 even though the pain came back, that wasn't an issue. 0:08:48.681 --> 0:08:51.241 I mean, this man was a strong, strong man. You 0:08:51.241 --> 0:08:56.001 know a bit of pain, you know he was going 0:08:56.001 --> 0:08:57.121 to you know what I mean is it's sort of 0:08:57.121 --> 0:08:58.241 getting on top of it. 0:08:59.001 --> 0:09:00.041 He wasn't giving up. 0:09:00.241 --> 0:09:05.281 It was just aware of just trying to get these 0:09:05.281 --> 0:09:06.641 who tried and what. 0:09:06.561 --> 0:09:08.561 Were the side effects that were horrible for him. 0:09:08.881 --> 0:09:12.241 Look, he did have it did cause a bit of depression, 0:09:12.761 --> 0:09:14.721 but he was aware of the depression and he spoke 0:09:14.761 --> 0:09:17.081 to us about it. So you know, he'd actually reached 0:09:17.081 --> 0:09:19.201 out a couple of times to his close. 0:09:19.001 --> 0:09:21.321 Mate, and I commend him for that. Good on you. 0:09:21.321 --> 0:09:24.441 You know, we need to all speak up if we're 0:09:24.481 --> 0:09:26.321 not feeling one hundred percent, you know. But it was 0:09:26.401 --> 0:09:28.441 just and that's where he wasn't just sitting in the 0:09:28.481 --> 0:09:31.441 corner going and I'm giving up on life. He's breaching out, 0:09:31.561 --> 0:09:33.681 you know. And it said to his mate, you know, 0:09:33.721 --> 0:09:36.041 he goes, I'm obviously feeling pretty crappy right now. He 0:09:36.081 --> 0:09:38.081 goes even in his own words, and I've got him 0:09:38.081 --> 0:09:40.161 writing lucky, I'm not the suicidal type, and I've got 0:09:40.241 --> 0:09:41.161 time on my side. 0:09:43.481 --> 0:09:46.121 So Belle says her dad knew the GABA Pensen or 0:09:46.201 --> 0:09:48.481 Neuronson was no good for him, and it gave him 0:09:48.521 --> 0:09:52.161 horrible side effects. I wanted to know from a doctor 0:09:52.241 --> 0:09:55.121 what this drug is actually used for, so I reached 0:09:55.121 --> 0:09:58.201 out to a friend. It's call him Doctor J. He 0:09:58.281 --> 0:10:02.041 specializes in pain medication and he'd know clinically how this 0:10:02.161 --> 0:10:03.761 drug can affect someone. 0:10:04.121 --> 0:10:10.641 So Doctor for lost count eleven years now, and as 0:10:10.681 --> 0:10:16.121 part of that time, I've spent five years training to 0:10:16.161 --> 0:10:19.401 be an anesthetics specialist, and as part of my anesthetic training, 0:10:19.761 --> 0:10:23.761 we do specialize in the management of acute pain. 0:10:24.081 --> 0:10:27.321 Can you explain what neurontity is and what it's generally 0:10:27.361 --> 0:10:28.081 prescribed for. 0:10:28.281 --> 0:10:32.881 So, neurons in the trade name of a medication called gabapentin, 0:10:33.761 --> 0:10:39.041 So it's an anticonvulsant medication that's used to treat various 0:10:39.081 --> 0:10:42.201 forms of epilepsy and other seizure disorders. But it's also 0:10:42.281 --> 0:10:45.641 prescribed for what we call neuropathic pain. So that's essentially 0:10:45.761 --> 0:10:51.441 pain arising from an dysfunctional disease of the nervous system. 0:10:52.521 --> 0:10:55.801 So some examples of that are sort of diabetic neuropathy, 0:10:56.081 --> 0:11:02.041 or pain that you get after having I guess postopadic neuralgia, 0:11:02.121 --> 0:11:05.041 which is like shingles, and people get ongoing chmic pain 0:11:05.161 --> 0:11:07.361 from that, and gabapentin can be used to try and 0:11:08.001 --> 0:11:13.641 treat these pains. This nerve pain is quite notoriously difficult 0:11:13.681 --> 0:11:17.361 to treat, and so often there are various other medications 0:11:17.361 --> 0:11:20.841 that doctors try and use to treat this pain, and they're. 0:11:20.601 --> 0:11:22.681 Not always effective. 0:11:23.241 --> 0:11:26.361 So gabapentin is one of them that gets used, especially 0:11:26.361 --> 0:11:28.521 in the treatment of sort of back pain or sciatica, 0:11:29.601 --> 0:11:33.761 and then obviously they try and use opioids to try 0:11:33.761 --> 0:11:36.881 and treat pain, but generally these are also quite ineffective. 0:11:37.641 --> 0:11:40.201 And from your knowledge, what are some of the side 0:11:40.201 --> 0:11:42.841 effects involved with taking gabapentin. 0:11:44.441 --> 0:11:47.521 With any medication, and some of those side effects are 0:11:47.521 --> 0:11:51.161 common and some are quite rare. If we think specifically 0:11:51.201 --> 0:11:54.721 about the nervous system. The common things that get described 0:11:54.761 --> 0:12:00.481 with gabapentin or neuronton business headache, somnolence, but they can 0:12:02.561 --> 0:12:07.961 have other side effects like tremor and even concentration impairments. 0:12:08.281 --> 0:12:12.961 With these medications, you can get some mood disturbances, so 0:12:13.081 --> 0:12:19.681 common things. Common side effects cover pension include anxiety, confusion, 0:12:20.081 --> 0:12:25.561 and depression. You can get insomnia, and then uncommonly or 0:12:25.641 --> 0:12:35.521 rarely you can have emotional labile symptoms or agitation, aggression, 0:12:36.081 --> 0:12:43.081 and very rarely psychotic disorders as well. Neurons also has 0:12:43.081 --> 0:12:49.921 been recognized that it can contribute to feelings of depression 0:12:50.081 --> 0:12:55.641 and suicidal idiation. It's even mentioned in the product disclosure 0:12:55.841 --> 0:12:58.681 statement or the product information statement that comes inside the 0:12:58.681 --> 0:13:03.081 box and a statement in there that says patients on 0:13:03.121 --> 0:13:06.761 these medications need to be monitored, worth need symptoms of 0:13:06.801 --> 0:13:10.881 depression or suicidal thoughtful behavior, or any other unusual changes 0:13:10.961 --> 0:13:11.481 in them moves. 0:13:11.681 --> 0:13:14.241 The other interesting thing that came up after speaking with 0:13:14.321 --> 0:13:17.081 doctor j was a bit that I originally missed in 0:13:17.121 --> 0:13:21.041 my read through of the coroner's report. The report said 0:13:21.081 --> 0:13:25.321 that on May eleventh, twenty seventeen, just six weeks before 0:13:25.401 --> 0:13:29.041 Jawn went missing, he went to a chemist and got 0:13:29.041 --> 0:13:34.361 a prescription filled for one hundred Neuronson tablets. In a 0:13:34.401 --> 0:13:36.561 follow up text with Belle, she says there was no 0:13:36.681 --> 0:13:39.761 way he used those tablets. As she said earlier in 0:13:39.761 --> 0:13:42.361 the podcast, he was weaning off this drug that was 0:13:42.401 --> 0:13:46.081 giving him depression. When police and family searched his home, 0:13:46.801 --> 0:13:50.601 there was no neuronton left in his pillbox. Doctor Jay 0:13:50.681 --> 0:13:54.241 explains that coming off a drug like neuronton is usually 0:13:54.241 --> 0:13:57.921 a slow process, and coming off the drug too quickly 0:13:58.521 --> 0:13:59.921 can be even more troublesome. 0:14:01.121 --> 0:14:04.921 So any patient's been on these medications for a significant 0:14:05.081 --> 0:14:09.721 in it a period of time, they can get physical dependence, 0:14:09.721 --> 0:14:12.241 whereas the body gets used to the drug, and upon 0:14:12.481 --> 0:14:17.201 sort of immediate cessation, they get withdrawal symptoms. And withdrawal 0:14:17.281 --> 0:14:19.721 symptoms tend to be some of the things we've mentioned, 0:14:19.721 --> 0:14:28.561 but also dysphoria, irritability, anxiety, even backape, joint pains, abdominal cramps, LAWNSA, vomiting. 0:14:30.561 --> 0:14:36.281 The period of withdrawal, all the time taken from stopping 0:14:36.321 --> 0:14:39.921 the medication to having those withraw withdrawal symptoms does depend 0:14:39.961 --> 0:14:41.961 on the dose that you've been on and how long 0:14:42.001 --> 0:14:43.441 you've been it's. 0:14:43.041 --> 0:14:47.041 Been on the medication for, but can vary between sort 0:14:47.041 --> 0:14:50.561 of you know, a day to a week or so. 0:14:54.281 --> 0:14:56.961 When you are going to stop these medications best done 0:14:57.001 --> 0:15:00.561 with the assistance or the physician that prescribes the drugs 0:15:00.561 --> 0:15:04.561 regularly so that they can guide you in dose reduction, 0:15:05.081 --> 0:15:09.161 and usually that's done over a period of weeks to months, 0:15:09.201 --> 0:15:12.921 even depending on how long you've been on the medication 0:15:13.001 --> 0:15:15.881 and how the dose he's been taken. 0:15:17.641 --> 0:15:19.721 So we know that this drug is pretty heavy and 0:15:19.761 --> 0:15:22.441 as Belle said, she didn't feel it was right for 0:15:22.521 --> 0:15:26.201 her dad. This correlates with the doctor's notes about Jawn's 0:15:26.281 --> 0:15:30.681 visit he made to his GP in January, February and 0:15:30.841 --> 0:15:38.681 March of twenty seventeen. In January twenty seventeen, which is 0:15:38.721 --> 0:15:40.521 the year he went missing, he went to his GP. 0:15:41.041 --> 0:15:45.601 As you've mentioned, quite depressed. The coroner's report says that 0:15:45.681 --> 0:15:48.441 his consequent visit back to the GP a month later 0:15:48.521 --> 0:15:51.241 and then again the following month was, in his words 0:15:51.241 --> 0:15:53.881 from the doctor's notes, really good now and fantastic. So 0:15:54.201 --> 0:15:59.321 there is proof your dad was suffering some depression in 0:15:59.401 --> 0:16:02.561 early January and then was able to come out of 0:16:02.601 --> 0:16:06.601 that fog due to the medication he was coming off 0:16:06.681 --> 0:16:08.441 and equally his own management of that. 0:16:09.481 --> 0:16:12.561 Absolutely absolutely, I mean, can I just read you a 0:16:12.601 --> 0:16:13.241 little bit of an. 0:16:13.121 --> 0:16:15.161 Excerpt here from the incident summary. 0:16:16.121 --> 0:16:18.601 I just thought it was quite interesting, and this was 0:16:19.921 --> 0:16:21.961 noted pretty much on the twenty eighth of June. So 0:16:22.041 --> 0:16:25.001 this is the second day of the search up in Lancelin. Confirmed, 0:16:25.081 --> 0:16:27.801 as you said, confirmed no signs of dementia. Cided by 0:16:27.841 --> 0:16:30.001 the doctor last week and was very clear in the head, 0:16:30.161 --> 0:16:33.481 appeared chirpy, you know, and had good pain control. He 0:16:33.641 --> 0:16:37.441 commented that he's not suffering from debtsive depression, and during 0:16:37.481 --> 0:16:41.521 his treatment at no time as he indicated suicidal tendencies. 0:16:42.841 --> 0:16:43.601 That's from the GP. 0:16:46.121 --> 0:16:48.561 We're going to step just a couple of months back 0:16:48.601 --> 0:16:51.921 to before your dad went missing. He fell down some stairs. 0:16:52.321 --> 0:16:56.281 Look, that's a weird one, that fall has never sat 0:16:56.361 --> 0:16:59.521 well with me, I'll be honest. That was actually what 0:16:59.561 --> 0:17:02.081 sort of set him back, and that at the time 0:17:02.281 --> 0:17:04.400 of his disappearance, it wasn't all the other stuff that 0:17:04.441 --> 0:17:06.160 was going on, was that fall, because that was a 0:17:06.161 --> 0:17:07.001 pretty years ful. 0:17:07.241 --> 0:17:10.841 When I say fall, I have I have doubts over 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:11.840 that particular day. 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.521 It was Easter Sunday, and you know, Dad had already 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:20.481 had had a fall from lower down in these stairs 0:17:20.481 --> 0:17:22.440 because he's got brick stairs at the front of his house. 0:17:22.921 --> 0:17:24.400 Now, I can't remember when. 0:17:24.441 --> 0:17:27.681 It was, probably I don't know, December twenty sixteen or something. 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.080 He had actually had a little slip from the bottom 0:17:30.120 --> 0:17:30.600 of the stairs. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:32.401 It was only you know, two stairs. 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.880 Because at the time, unfortunately, someone thought it would be 0:17:35.921 --> 0:17:41.160 a good idea for him to trial marijuana and you know, 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.600 encourage that and provided that to him. And at first 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:46.360 I meet at it and he had a fault. 0:17:46.521 --> 0:17:48.960 Was that medical marijuana or was it just normal? 0:17:49.241 --> 0:17:53.120 No, And it's something that he'd never had in his life. 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.480 And I don't think he should have ever been introduced 0:17:56.001 --> 0:17:59.120 into into the mix at all. But I think that 0:17:59.281 --> 0:18:01.840 was the cause of that particular fall, and he felt 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.281 like an idiot, you know, he's like, oh, you know, 0:18:04.321 --> 0:18:07.001 but it didn't really has stained too many injuries, okay. 0:18:08.761 --> 0:18:11.440 But this particular fall, it was pretty substantial. 0:18:12.721 --> 0:18:15.200 I'm talking it was from the top this time, the 0:18:15.201 --> 0:18:19.321 top of these brick stairs. And apparently it's written down 0:18:19.360 --> 0:18:22.521 that he just slipped on his slippers, and it's been 0:18:22.561 --> 0:18:24.880 a bit downplayed a little bit. But you know, I 0:18:24.921 --> 0:18:27.561 look at his photos of his injuries and I don't know, 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.120 like if he was wearing slippers. You know, his toe 0:18:30.201 --> 0:18:33.201 has been fully sliced and cut open, and he's got 0:18:33.201 --> 0:18:36.281 a massive egg on his right hand arm and up 0:18:36.321 --> 0:18:39.201 here and apparently he's put his arm down your hand 0:18:39.201 --> 0:18:41.440 to protect his face, and you know, his hands you know, 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.561 shattered and broken his wrist, and I mean they only 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:48.121 realized in June, not long before he went missing, that 0:18:48.120 --> 0:18:50.521 that he had actually shattered all the bones in his 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:54.321 hand as well, and that wasn't picked up at the time, 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.761 you know, and he was told unfortunately now it's sort 0:18:56.761 --> 0:18:58.721 of too light for more surgery. 0:18:59.281 --> 0:19:01.080 You probably do need more surgery down the track. 0:19:01.201 --> 0:19:04.641 But well, thinking about it now, we don't know if 0:19:04.681 --> 0:19:06.721 that was a fall or not, or if something else 0:19:06.761 --> 0:19:10.801 happened on that day, but we don't have any evidence 0:19:10.801 --> 0:19:13.720 of anything, but we have doubts over that one. But 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:16.280 as Well said, that was really his main problem at 0:19:16.321 --> 0:19:18.200 the time because it had got ontop other things. It 0:19:18.281 --> 0:19:20.080 was just this badly broken wrist. 0:19:20.921 --> 0:19:23.001 Was that that was in April. That was you know, 0:19:23.041 --> 0:19:25.280 middle of April, and before that March. You know how 0:19:25.281 --> 0:19:28.281 we said the GPS, he's feeling fantastic. Dad had tried 0:19:28.321 --> 0:19:29.680 to go play nine holes of golf. 0:19:30.321 --> 0:19:34.160 Jawn wasn't a well man chronic pain, swollen feet and 0:19:34.281 --> 0:19:36.920 a broken wrist, with a bunch of different tablets to 0:19:36.921 --> 0:19:41.281 control those medical issues. He had indicated some issues with 0:19:41.360 --> 0:19:44.360 depression which may have been caused by the medication he 0:19:44.481 --> 0:19:47.321 was on, or simply by him not being as agile 0:19:47.321 --> 0:19:49.881 as he used to be. But it would seem from 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:53.080 the doctor's report a few days before his disappearance he 0:19:53.241 --> 0:19:58.401 was okay. In fact, in the GP's words, he was chirpy. 0:19:59.321 --> 0:20:02.201 In the coroner's report, which was delivered in October last 0:20:02.281 --> 0:20:06.761 year in Perth, the coroner stated that Belle, his daughter, 0:20:07.241 --> 0:20:11.321 had said that at some point her dad had told 0:20:11.360 --> 0:20:14.681 her that drowning would be the worst possible way to go. 0:20:15.801 --> 0:20:18.760 Belle also made a statement to the police, saying that 0:20:18.801 --> 0:20:21.561 if there was any chance of mister Jensen taking his life, 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.120 he would have done so at Mula Lou Beach, a 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.281 place of great comfort to him, where he felt closest 0:20:28.281 --> 0:20:32.041 to his wife. When Bell gave evidence during the inquest, 0:20:32.521 --> 0:20:35.201 she was adamant that at the time of his disappearance, 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:37.361 her dad was not suicidal. 0:20:38.241 --> 0:20:43.600 See my words have been twisted. Okay, So around the time. 0:20:43.481 --> 0:20:45.600 Of the search, did you have that conversation with him? 0:20:45.721 --> 0:20:48.801 I didn't have around drowning. We were open about life 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:49.281 and death. 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:53.521 Having found my mum, you know, in the home, we 0:20:53.561 --> 0:20:57.081 did have conversations about that. But our conversations were, oh 0:20:57.120 --> 0:20:58.921 my god, thank god she was at home. 0:20:59.120 --> 0:20:59.761 Thank god. 0:21:00.360 --> 0:21:02.561 We literally said she wasn't missing because we had that 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:04.880 twenty four hour PIO where she technically was. 0:21:05.041 --> 0:21:07.401 They all talk to me about the morning of Sunday, 0:21:07.441 --> 0:21:11.321 the twenty fifth of June twenty seventeen, you were going 0:21:11.321 --> 0:21:12.360 to lunch as a family. 0:21:12.561 --> 0:21:15.440 Well, actually no, it wasn't actually sort of planned like that. 0:21:15.521 --> 0:21:18.680 I knew that Dad was catching up with Kennan Geza, 0:21:18.721 --> 0:21:20.801 and normally I was actually the one that used to 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.080