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Speaker 2: Hey guys, Sima here from the Clink. Will we take

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Speaker 2: a short break over the Christmas period. We're going to

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, so you don't miss out and can

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Clink. It's twenty and twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Happy new year to everybody out there. Thank you to

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Speaker 2: everybody who tuned in to season thirteen, and to everybody

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Speaker 2: that's just started listening to the Clink.

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Speaker 3: We see you, we hear you, all of you going

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Speaker 3: back and coming right through our seasons. Can you believe it?

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Speaker 3: Season fourteen. This season is massive.

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Speaker 2: We're aiming and we will hit three million downloads and

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Speaker 2: that is all because of each of you. Cannot thank

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Speaker 2: you all enough.

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Speaker 3: I'm super excited. I hope you are all well.

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Speaker 2: And a big shout out to Sideway Surf once again

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Speaker 2: being a massive supporter of the Clink. We wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: able to deliver these wonderful stories of redemption without the

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Speaker 2: support of Sideways Surf. So make sure you get into

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Speaker 2: Australia and get in there and tell you tell them

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Speaker 2: the Clink sent you today's guests.

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Speaker 3: Wow, what a.

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Speaker 2: Story we've got. This man is doing amazing things in

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Speaker 2: his life today. He was a man who was known

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Speaker 2: for his notoriety. He was a soldier, He was someone

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Speaker 2: that you didn't want to cross paths with. He was

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Speaker 2: a part of an outlaw club, done a lot of

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Speaker 2: jail and was involved in a riot in Golden one

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Speaker 2: of the biggest and as far as I'm concerned, most

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Speaker 2: dangerous jails in Australia.

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Speaker 3: Then, Sagado brother, Welcome to the Clink. Mabe. It's an honor,

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Speaker 3: it really is.

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Speaker 2: We're only just chatting a minute ago, and it was

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Speaker 2: an unsure thing that you know, having you on the

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Speaker 2: clink and well, look it's in God's hands and here

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Speaker 2: we are and thank you very much. You're here and

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Speaker 2: today's chat is number one for season fourteen, and I'm

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Speaker 2: proud to.

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Speaker 3: Have thank you.

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Speaker 7: And you use the word redemption just in that intro,

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Speaker 7: and I was like, actually, is like I'm here now,

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Speaker 7: and I feel like it is redemption because I was

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Speaker 7: in it. I've been through shit places and I've been

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Speaker 7: the mind frame. I'm still the same person I was

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Speaker 7: back then, but just my priority is a bit more

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Speaker 7: changed a.

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Speaker 1: Lot, So.

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Speaker 3: I love what you just said.

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Speaker 2: Then I'm still the same person I was back then.

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Speaker 2: You know, out of all the guests we have on here,

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Speaker 2: I think people get a little bit misconscrewed to the

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Speaker 2: changes we make in our lives from who we were.

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Speaker 2: We're still the same men. We still are able, willing,

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Speaker 2: and very capable. But then we put our energies, time, compassion,

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Speaker 2: and everything that we want to do and have lived

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Speaker 2: in experience and positivity giving back.

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Speaker 3: The whole purpose of the Clink is because.

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Speaker 2: Of stories of redemption, which originated, you know, initially from

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Speaker 2: my story of where I come from and about my life.

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Speaker 3: And I never thought that I'd be.

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Speaker 2: Here nearly three million downloads later with the smile I've

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Speaker 3: And thirty four and everybody's story. I'm just so honored

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Speaker 2: So I truly want to say, brother, thank you, and

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Speaker 2: your time, I know is precious and welcome. So for

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Speaker 2: our listeners, there will be a lot of new listeners

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that

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Speaker 2: are looking forward to hearing your story that do know

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Speaker 2: you and know me, and yeah, have definitely reached out

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Speaker 2: to both of us.

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Speaker 3: Knowing that you were coming on the clink.

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Speaker 2: So let's take everybody back to I guess early teenage years.

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Speaker 7: That was just a bunch of drugs and alcohol. Back then,

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Speaker 7: it was just like I did not have the purpose,

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Speaker 7: I didn't have anything. I just like I was looking

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Speaker 7: smoking bongs and drinking alcohol and going sneaking out of

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Speaker 7: bashing people, like just all the shit stuff you do

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Speaker 7: in Mountjoy.

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Speaker 3: So how was it like growing up?

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Speaker 2: I mean, we we've had a few of our guests

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Speaker 2: Mouni County made it. It's a proud place and even today,

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Speaker 2: what a lot of good is coming out of what

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Speaker 2: was always seemed to be very negative. And when I

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Speaker 2: you know, we were sort of very similar and in

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Speaker 2: there was always the dark side.

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Speaker 7: I've never been asked, actually, what was it like growing

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Speaker 7: up Mandroid. It's like now I'm trying to think of

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Speaker 7: it as just like that's home, Like it's that's I'm.

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Speaker 3: Comfortable home of the brak.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. It's actually pretty cool. Like what's what's

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Speaker 7: been happening with the boys out there? Like that some

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Speaker 7: of them have like done some really good stuff. That's

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Speaker 7: pretty cool. And it's like a cute community events happening,

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Speaker 7: Like there's some boys that are doing that.

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Speaker 1: That's I love seeing that stuff.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into that because you're a massive part of

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Speaker 2: that and and you know you're working with some some

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Speaker 2: amazing people.

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Speaker 3: You're working at a level of an elite level with

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Speaker 2: You you know, you're you're representing you as a man,

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Speaker 2: your family and what you're doing today is phenomenal. And

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to get into that part of our chat.

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Speaker 2: I think for now, let's let's let's get into the

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Speaker 2: real nitty gritty of Ben and who you were and

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Speaker 2: how you then you know, got into the life of crime,

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Speaker 2: which then obviously led to too many years jall. And

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Speaker 2: you obviously to get the gold and you were no slouch.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, the very first time I was arrested, like

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Speaker 7: I couldn't even tell ya, like how many times they've

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Speaker 7: been arrest to, Like I seen my charge sheet before,

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Speaker 7: and I was just I was looking at trying to

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Speaker 7: figure out when did this happen? When did this happen?

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Speaker 7: I just like it was too too much drugs, too

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Speaker 7: much alcohol. Couldn't remember when I get arrested. Just just

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Speaker 7: a shit head. But it's just it was normal back then.

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Speaker 7: It was like you just have to you just want

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Speaker 7: to go out and run a mark and trying not

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Speaker 7: to get caught doing what you're doing. But when I

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Speaker 7: I went to jail for a home invasion to witness.

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Speaker 7: That was I was real young, So I wasn't a

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Speaker 7: people say, were you scared to go to jail when

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Speaker 7: you were eighteen? I wasn't really scared because I don't

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Speaker 7: think I had purpose as it was, So I wasn't

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Speaker 7: I'm just entering in it. A'm going to see what's happening.

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Speaker 7: So I went to jail.

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Speaker 2: How was How was the family life for you though?

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Speaker 2: But how was at home? So mum and dad?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, like all my brothers and sisters and my sister,

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Speaker 7: they none of them got mixed up with like crime

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Speaker 7: But I think everyone does. None of them broke the law,

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Speaker 7: like especially the way I was doing it, Like it was, yeah,

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Speaker 7: it's pretty Then I went to jail, learned some new

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Speaker 3: And how did that go down?

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Speaker 2: For your coming from a family, I mean, I guess

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Speaker 2: what we do see is a pattern generally through our

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Speaker 3: Come from a lot of a lot of trauma, a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of abuse, physical sexual abuse within the home, family breakups

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Speaker 2: and violence. Obviously from the way you speak, you come

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Speaker 2: from a loving, hearing home, a good environment.

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Speaker 1: I think that's good.

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Speaker 7: I think that's like one of the main reasons why

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Speaker 7: I've been able to redeem myself myself in my past,

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Speaker 7: Like I've come come home after this was my longest

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Speaker 7: leg I've only been out six months now and that

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Speaker 1: Was that that was the bottom? Yet I'm still a

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Speaker 1: broad now, still two and half his role I think

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Speaker 7: Because my family showed me so so much love, so

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Speaker 7: you're going to leave when you get out, like I

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Speaker 7: had at home, how to bed, how to had food

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Speaker 7: right and being happy, because that's the ultimate goal at

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Speaker 7: the end of the day, is being happy.

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Speaker 1: Like everyone's looking.

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Speaker 7: Everyone goes to work, tries to get money, they're looking

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Speaker 7: for happiness. That's that's pretty much. And security security brings

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Speaker 2: So well, yeah, well said I know as a father,

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Speaker 2: a dad and someone who's really sort of trying to

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Speaker 2: do the best I can, I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: Your your morals and your values. They're one. It really is.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a tough slog, you know.

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Speaker 2: I remember I had three years pro after doing six myself,

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Speaker 2: and it's you're expected to find the odds are stacked

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Speaker 2: product of the system, the environment, and you are realistically,

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Speaker 2: with a long term.

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Speaker 3: Parole, you are set to fail. There is not where

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Speaker 3: we are one percent.

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Speaker 2: We are one percenters of success in the long term parole.

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Speaker 7: This is what my fo my fourth time on parole,

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Speaker 7: and the first time on parole lasted three months, then

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Speaker 7: four months, and then sixteen months and then like I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Going back to jail this time. There's no chance, zero

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Speaker 7: But you're right, it is we are set up to

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Speaker 2: So yeah, congratulations for that too, because I only said,

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Speaker 7: Back and congrats crazy some of the stuff that I've

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Speaker 2: So I got to say and look, as I said

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Speaker 3: And I really I'm not pissing in your pocket here.

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Speaker 3: It's Bali, Bali, what is it? Bally up?

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Speaker 7: How many people ask me where that comes from?

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Speaker 2: Just like okay, when I said it was like just

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Speaker 7: So ballly up is just like something I used to

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Speaker 2: No, thank you for sharing that, because I get it now.

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Speaker 2: I completely get it. And look, I've got to be

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Speaker 2: So you know, you can give all that you want

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Speaker 3: If you are, then you are blessed.

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Speaker 1: That's It's just I can just say that I feel blessed, like.

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Speaker 2: in jail. So how was it for you? Like, let's

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Speaker 7: Yeah that was home invasion to a witness, that was

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Speaker 7: what six years on top, three years, three months on

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Speaker 1: Three is three months.

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Speaker 3: So your first whack at eighteen, that's what you got given.

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Speaker 7: He literally said that, and he goes, but I'm also

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Speaker 2: So, and how did you find that coming out and

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Speaker 1: Loved her? I loved her. Yeah, it was good. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 7: Like we got treated like a like a brother, Like

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Speaker 2: And yeah, look that's not bullshit anybody out there that

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Speaker 2: I've got nothing negative to say about it. But I don't,

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Speaker 2: And to be honest with you, I wouldn't. I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: But you know, like as you say, back then you

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Speaker 2: Genuine and loyal and you know, would drive out and visit.

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Speaker 7: Like you said, it's very rare. But that's when I've

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Speaker 7: I was like, this is mad. I want this in

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Speaker 7: my life. I was still looking for my purpose as well.

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Speaker 7: And even so I still don't regret making those decisions.

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Speaker 7: Like people ask me, like that was a shit decision.

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Speaker 2: Like and that's the thing, Ben, And I'm going to

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Speaker 2: Like we never ever sit here and glorify our crimes

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Speaker 2: But you have a story, as does every other guest

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, what it was truly like

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Speaker 2: The man you are now whom I'm looking at, the

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Speaker 2: I get it. Look, we don't always portray ourselves to

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Speaker 2: I truly wish I could be in the area to

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Speaker 3: But you know, like like I say, I think.

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Speaker 2: It's important that we do share our history and you

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Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely, what Well, my hardship, the worst part of

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Speaker 7: But this time I'd lost. I'd lost so much, Like

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Speaker 1: I was writing letters.

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Speaker 7: To read about ten letters and just send them all

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Speaker 1: I'm going to like I.

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Speaker 7: just say, this is an opportunity for me to redeem

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Speaker 7: It's like a fork in the road, like it's either

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Speaker 2: Beautiful and you know what, what a blessing, bro, because

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Speaker 3: Like how good? Yeah, how good?

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Speaker 2: And and I'm sorry to hear that that that happened.

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Speaker 7: Something definitely bad, but like something good come out of it,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that that would be hard.

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Speaker 2: I always worry at the moment fighting in Big Blue

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Speaker 3: That's that's one thing that scares me. It does.

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Speaker 2: It does fear me that if I'm taken away from

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Speaker 3: You know, at the end of the day, these things

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Speaker 3: And you know, look, I yeah, and you.

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Speaker 7: Don't think, you don't feel like they're going to happen

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So which Charles, where you mainly at because if you're

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00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,561
Speaker 2: in you know that's that sort of segroo.

441
00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 3: I mean obviously you STG and lift Go.

442
00:22:08,721 --> 00:22:12,281
Speaker 7: Nah, I didn't spend time in STG. In Liftgo, I

443
00:22:12,321 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 7: went there for segregation for a bit.

444
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 2: Was that mainly because of they did it with the

445
00:22:17,681 --> 00:22:21,161
Speaker 2: club clubs, mixing clubs between transit and stuff like that.

446
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,241
Speaker 7: Ah No, it was just a fucking just ship, just

447
00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:28,961
Speaker 7: mucking up and just a menace. Yeah, just like sphones

448
00:22:29,041 --> 00:22:31,121
Speaker 7: everywhere people, Oh.

449
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:36,481
Speaker 3: You're with the zub guy.

450
00:22:36,801 --> 00:22:39,321
Speaker 1: Slide it under the door for thee.

451
00:22:41,801 --> 00:22:42,121
Speaker 3: I had.

452
00:22:42,201 --> 00:22:44,241
Speaker 2: I had that sort of lift, didn't I till Ittle

453
00:22:44,281 --> 00:22:47,281
Speaker 2: went the ship sliding under the door with the old odies.

454
00:22:49,761 --> 00:22:49,961
Speaker 1: Yeah.

455
00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:52,121
Speaker 3: Boys, the boys had a good crack down there, that's

456
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 3: for sure. Yeah.

457
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,161
Speaker 2: So you you obviously been at Golden and I mean

458
00:22:57,201 --> 00:23:01,001
Speaker 2: Golden as I said, and and I'm very serious about it.

459
00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: You can speak for it. You've been there is far

460
00:23:04,321 --> 00:23:07,801
Speaker 2: long concerned the most notorious. Well, it definitely was back

461
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: down anyway, and the years prior to that, the killing yards,

462
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,161
Speaker 2: you know, like let's talk about that because only someone

463
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 2: that's been there can speak of it.

464
00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:19,881
Speaker 7: Yeah, well it was like it's very dangerous, Like there

465
00:23:19,921 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 7: was times where there was months like like you have

466
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,321
Speaker 7: to have a blade, Like you have to have a blade.

467
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 7: And when you go downstairs from the top, there's always

468
00:23:28,961 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 7: screws there. I'll call them screws because that's what I'm

469
00:23:32,281 --> 00:23:36,441
Speaker 7: used to calling them. They are so they're down they're

470
00:23:36,481 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 7: down there to do bag searches every single morning. So

471
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,321
Speaker 7: you get lead out, you have to hide your blade

472
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 7: or you have to cheek your blade.

473
00:23:42,321 --> 00:23:42,521
Speaker 3: Yep.

474
00:23:43,201 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 7: But you have to have it on you because if

475
00:23:45,921 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 7: you don't, you get caught slipping, and that's the day

476
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 7: you're going to get you and you don't have it.

477
00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: So it was that bad in there that pretty well,

478
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,321
Speaker 2: you can be guaranteed everywhere everyone was armed up, just.

479
00:23:57,041 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 7: At the times that everyone's like one percent of the

480
00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:03,761
Speaker 7: time there was like what thirty thirty people in our yard,

481
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,201
Speaker 7: and one hundred percent the time at least one third

482
00:24:06,281 --> 00:24:11,241
Speaker 7: of the yards bladed it up. Like that's one even

483
00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 7: when everyone was getting along, which was a lot of

484
00:24:13,521 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 7: a lot of the time everyone was getting along, but

485
00:24:15,441 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 7: then there's still like, look there's drugs in the yard.

486
00:24:17,961 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 7: People we get anolytics?

487
00:24:19,441 --> 00:24:23,161
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which yard? Which yard? Which one would you win?

488
00:24:23,241 --> 00:24:25,321
Speaker 1: Where were you the islander yard?

489
00:24:25,721 --> 00:24:27,761
Speaker 2: I was the islander And did you actually sort of

490
00:24:28,241 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: have a lot of connection with a lot of the

491
00:24:29,721 --> 00:24:32,201
Speaker 2: brothers that you've grown up with around it at Mount

492
00:24:32,241 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 2: Druitt and stuff like that.

493
00:24:33,441 --> 00:24:34,801
Speaker 1: Or there were people that come through.

494
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, but look, I went to jail when I was eighteen,

495
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 7: so like I met heaps of people in jail, Like

496
00:24:40,481 --> 00:24:43,241
Speaker 7: I knew pretty much everyone there straight away.

497
00:24:43,321 --> 00:24:47,321
Speaker 1: Plus the boys in the club were in the.

498
00:24:47,321 --> 00:24:49,801
Speaker 7: Same yard, So then I had that connection too, So

499
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 7: that's what first bring me to the yard. But look,

500
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 7: Mandrew is full of islanders. Like I'd rather be in

501
00:24:56,241 --> 00:25:01,961
Speaker 7: that yard over any other yard anyway. So but that's

502
00:25:02,001 --> 00:25:06,321
Speaker 7: the art I owned up and like, actually, like it's funny.

503
00:25:06,321 --> 00:25:08,801
Speaker 1: I got so many memories and I actually had fun there.

504
00:25:09,241 --> 00:25:12,961
Speaker 7: But then I think back, I'm like, some hairy situations

505
00:25:13,041 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 7: like scene, some fucking like big stuff happened and I

506
00:25:17,521 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 7: was involved in some big staff.

507
00:25:18,961 --> 00:25:21,561
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it was.

508
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 7: It was fun back then, but I would never go back.

509
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,561
Speaker 7: It's like, I'm I'm too focused now, Like.

510
00:25:28,561 --> 00:25:30,161
Speaker 3: It's oh look at it.

511
00:25:30,201 --> 00:25:32,601
Speaker 2: And I think once you realize that and we get

512
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,001
Speaker 2: to a point in our life, look, jail is not fun.

513
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put it.

514
00:25:36,961 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 2: Look back in back in the day, Back in the

515
00:25:40,761 --> 00:25:43,001
Speaker 2: day when you really didn't care too much, you didn't

516
00:25:43,041 --> 00:25:45,801
Speaker 2: have children or support. I don't know, it was a

517
00:25:45,801 --> 00:25:49,681
Speaker 2: different thing. Your mindset. It was like I don't care whatever, Yeah,

518
00:25:49,801 --> 00:25:52,201
Speaker 2: got a whack. You just did it, and you went

519
00:25:52,201 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: through the process. You knew the drill you've.

520
00:25:54,561 --> 00:25:57,001
Speaker 3: Been going like it was just one of them things.

521
00:25:57,041 --> 00:25:59,241
Speaker 3: All right, Where am I going? Chief? Oh shit, Well

522
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 3: you know, getting on that bus you go and here

523
00:26:01,201 --> 00:26:01,801
Speaker 3: you going there.

524
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: You're hoping that you get sent to this one, but

525
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,641
Speaker 2: then you might get shang under that one.

526
00:26:05,681 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 3: You know, like it's just you.

527
00:26:08,441 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: You adapt and unfortunately it becomes everything because outside of

528
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: those walls, you got no control of anything, and you

529
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,041
Speaker 2: you really have to just be on your game, don't you.

530
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,481
Speaker 3: Yeah.

531
00:26:22,561 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's funny because my son was actually born while

532
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,681
Speaker 7: I was at Golvin.

533
00:26:28,041 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 3: In mine was when I was in Segro at silver

534
00:26:30,241 --> 00:26:30,761
Speaker 3: Water too.

535
00:26:32,321 --> 00:26:33,001
Speaker 1: Yeah.

536
00:26:33,041 --> 00:26:34,801
Speaker 3: It was yeah, for first.

537
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,241
Speaker 1: Get one of those little notes, notes under the door.

538
00:26:37,281 --> 00:26:39,561
Speaker 3: Under the door. Yeah yeah, but it was it was

539
00:26:39,561 --> 00:26:40,161
Speaker 3: a day late.

540
00:26:41,201 --> 00:26:42,361
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it was the next day.

541
00:26:42,441 --> 00:26:44,321
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was. It wasn't when it was should

542
00:26:44,321 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 3: have been. And the pepper came through with it.

543
00:26:46,241 --> 00:26:50,281
Speaker 2: And then you know, like I seem Simpson, it was

544
00:26:50,321 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: just like chief, can I get a carn?

545
00:26:52,001 --> 00:26:53,041
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe later?

546
00:26:53,041 --> 00:26:55,041
Speaker 2: And when you you know, when you when you're at

547
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: silver Water and you're on Segra, you get fun, especially

548
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,521
Speaker 2: when they shut up the screws, you know what I mean,

549
00:26:59,681 --> 00:27:02,441
Speaker 2: Like it's just the boys and it is what it is,

550
00:27:02,521 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: but yelling out, yeah, you know, the old sort of

551
00:27:06,681 --> 00:27:08,801
Speaker 2: bunch in the backyard and you throw on the lines

552
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:09,761
Speaker 2: up and down and.

553
00:27:10,041 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, the pigeons on the Wallah. Yeah.

554
00:27:15,521 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 7: You wake up in the morning at nine o'clock or

555
00:27:17,921 --> 00:27:19,961
Speaker 7: eight o'clock, whatever time that goes, and you're just waiting

556
00:27:20,001 --> 00:27:22,721
Speaker 7: for the screws to come to if you get in

557
00:27:22,761 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 7: the back door or not.

558
00:27:23,761 --> 00:27:26,681
Speaker 2: That's what you're waiting for for one hour or two hours,

559
00:27:27,801 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: and then maybe you might get a phone call if

560
00:27:29,761 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: you're lucky. Yeah, can we can we just just for

561
00:27:32,481 --> 00:27:34,801
Speaker 2: a second, because this is this is something that like

562
00:27:34,921 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: I understand it, and a lot of people will. But

563
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,521
Speaker 2: for a lot of people that listen that would never

564
00:27:38,561 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 2: have been to jail, let's pull it apart a little

565
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: bit and give them a little bit more of what

566
00:27:43,521 --> 00:27:47,321
Speaker 2: it actually really happens. So for those that are just listening,

567
00:27:48,201 --> 00:27:49,001
Speaker 2: you would have heard.

568
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 3: Ben say muster.

569
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:52,721
Speaker 2: So musters generally were we you know, you get called,

570
00:27:52,721 --> 00:27:55,041
Speaker 2: everyone gets counted, you get sent in, whether it's lunch

571
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 2: or locking, whatever it is, to where your numbers count,

572
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: your head count, you're gone. Now, generally the yard goes in,

573
00:28:02,561 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: the yard goes in. But on this obviously particular, the

574
00:28:05,281 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: day of the yard as a whole wasn't going in.

575
00:28:08,961 --> 00:28:09,721
Speaker 3: So when we're.

576
00:28:09,561 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 2: Talking about that, that right there, that's it, especially in

577
00:28:14,441 --> 00:28:15,481
Speaker 2: a place like Gold.

578
00:28:15,561 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 3: And quote me if I'm wrong.

579
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: This zero tolerance from the squad and the way that

580
00:28:20,281 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 2: the squad's coming in and how they treat the inmates,

581
00:28:23,801 --> 00:28:27,201
Speaker 2: it's surprising that there's not more inmates that are killed.

582
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well at that stage, like at that stage.

583
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,241
Speaker 7: At Gold and no screws would come into the yard none. Right,

584
00:28:36,761 --> 00:28:40,201
Speaker 7: So when that happened, they literally just let as much

585
00:28:40,241 --> 00:28:42,001
Speaker 7: gas as they had off into the yard.

586
00:28:42,081 --> 00:28:44,881
Speaker 1: So they were just like literally boys were passing out

587
00:28:44,881 --> 00:28:45,601
Speaker 1: from the gas.

588
00:28:47,361 --> 00:28:50,721
Speaker 7: But they still didn't come in until like the boys

589
00:28:50,721 --> 00:28:53,601
Speaker 7: are pretty much like on the ground passed out, like

590
00:28:53,721 --> 00:28:56,001
Speaker 7: no one was standing. There was one there was one

591
00:28:56,001 --> 00:28:58,521
Speaker 7: bloke that's sort of walking through it. Like I won't

592
00:28:58,521 --> 00:29:01,801
Speaker 7: say his name, but he's done a lot of he's

593
00:29:01,841 --> 00:29:04,521
Speaker 7: an older bloke and he's done a lot of a

594
00:29:04,521 --> 00:29:05,521
Speaker 7: lot of.

595
00:29:05,641 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: Super Max and stuff like that. But it is just

596
00:29:08,841 --> 00:29:09,521
Speaker 1: used to the gas.

597
00:29:09,521 --> 00:29:13,801
Speaker 7: But everyone else is on the ground like it just gas.

598
00:29:13,921 --> 00:29:18,201
Speaker 2: Meah, yeah, wow, that that says a lot.

599
00:29:18,921 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 7: So they didn't come into the yard, they just and

600
00:29:20,761 --> 00:29:24,281
Speaker 7: I remember after it, one of them said to somebody,

601
00:29:25,161 --> 00:29:27,321
Speaker 7: one of the screws said to one of the boys.

602
00:29:27,561 --> 00:29:28,521
Speaker 1: That there was something.

603
00:29:28,561 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 7: There was heap, the whole heap of gas canisters that

604
00:29:31,041 --> 00:29:35,921
Speaker 7: were going out of date. So the the security manager

605
00:29:36,961 --> 00:29:40,601
Speaker 7: told them, like, next time, just release everything. So they

606
00:29:41,281 --> 00:29:43,161
Speaker 7: they were just using the gas because it was going

607
00:29:43,201 --> 00:29:45,801
Speaker 7: out of date. So yeah, that was true, gut, that.

608
00:29:45,801 --> 00:29:47,761
Speaker 2: Would in other words, it would have been potent or

609
00:29:47,881 --> 00:29:49,041
Speaker 2: completely potent.

610
00:29:49,601 --> 00:29:52,561
Speaker 7: That wasn't the only one that actually happened. There was

611
00:29:52,601 --> 00:29:55,401
Speaker 7: another one where one of my other mates he got

612
00:29:55,441 --> 00:29:57,321
Speaker 7: shot in the head by one of the gas canisters,

613
00:29:57,321 --> 00:30:00,001
Speaker 7: like they like literally pointed out straight out his head,

614
00:30:00,081 --> 00:30:03,481
Speaker 7: like twenty centimeters away and shot him straight in there.

615
00:30:03,561 --> 00:30:06,561
Speaker 3: That was well from a in the circle to the yard.

616
00:30:06,921 --> 00:30:08,681
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was like going off of the

617
00:30:08,761 --> 00:30:11,121
Speaker 7: yard and the screws just shot him straight.

618
00:30:10,961 --> 00:30:12,161
Speaker 1: In thehead with the gas kind of stuff.

619
00:30:12,161 --> 00:30:16,081
Speaker 7: And then that kicked off another little riot.

620
00:30:16,321 --> 00:30:18,601
Speaker 1: That was that was that was our yard that had

621
00:30:19,041 --> 00:30:19,561
Speaker 1: that riot.

622
00:30:19,681 --> 00:30:20,161
Speaker 3: There was two.

623
00:30:20,281 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 7: There was two little little riots in our yard and

624
00:30:23,001 --> 00:30:25,601
Speaker 7: then that bigger one in a different yard that we joined.

625
00:30:26,641 --> 00:30:28,561
Speaker 3: So with the one that happened in your yard, let's

626
00:30:28,561 --> 00:30:30,561
Speaker 3: talk about that one. What what kicked that off? What

627
00:30:30,601 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 3: was that all?

628
00:30:30,961 --> 00:30:35,721
Speaker 7: About just some I think one of the one of

629
00:30:35,761 --> 00:30:43,241
Speaker 7: the main boys, good bloke, he got taken He got

630
00:30:43,241 --> 00:30:44,801
Speaker 7: taken by by the screws.

631
00:30:46,001 --> 00:30:46,841
Speaker 1: I can't remember what.

632
00:30:46,841 --> 00:30:52,681
Speaker 2: For, but as in shang eed like he was getting getting.

633
00:30:51,761 --> 00:30:53,121
Speaker 1: They grabbed him, put handcuffs on.

634
00:30:53,121 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 7: Him and took him into the circle anyway, so the

635
00:30:58,521 --> 00:31:01,081
Speaker 7: boys wouldn't have it. So then they kicked off and

636
00:31:01,081 --> 00:31:05,641
Speaker 7: then they were like everyone like that it up straight

637
00:31:05,641 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 7: away and was getting stuff to throw and blade just

638
00:31:09,601 --> 00:31:13,041
Speaker 7: getting passed around. I guess, like yeah, so everyone was

639
00:31:13,081 --> 00:31:16,721
Speaker 7: everyone was like ready to go and like everyone's everyone

640
00:31:16,801 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 7: like everyone has to like if the boys are kicking on,

641
00:31:19,841 --> 00:31:21,681
Speaker 7: and like one person says, I don't want to evolve,

642
00:31:21,801 --> 00:31:25,601
Speaker 7: like you're getting out of the yard. You can't be

643
00:31:25,601 --> 00:31:31,401
Speaker 7: in there unless you're with the boys. Yeah, so uh,

644
00:31:31,441 --> 00:31:35,241
Speaker 7: they all went on with it, and Gascott let off

645
00:31:35,241 --> 00:31:37,681
Speaker 7: in the yard. But the boys still they didn't let

646
00:31:37,801 --> 00:31:39,881
Speaker 7: that much gas off. It was only maybe like I

647
00:31:39,881 --> 00:31:42,721
Speaker 7: don't know, four or five, six, maybe could have been

648
00:31:42,881 --> 00:31:46,881
Speaker 7: like just under ten or something like that. But yeah,

649
00:31:46,961 --> 00:31:48,681
Speaker 7: we ended up going on with it a little bit then,

650
00:31:48,961 --> 00:31:52,401
Speaker 7: and funny enough, like they let that guy back into

651
00:31:52,401 --> 00:31:53,841
Speaker 7: the yard to settle us down.

652
00:31:54,601 --> 00:31:56,721
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

653
00:31:56,641 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: Isn't it amazing though, Like and we talk about that,

654
00:31:59,041 --> 00:32:01,401
Speaker 2: and I think that it's important for the listeners too

655
00:32:01,441 --> 00:32:04,641
Speaker 2: that you know, like when when when we go to jail,

656
00:32:05,321 --> 00:32:09,801
Speaker 2: will have gone to jail. You know, the loss is huge,

657
00:32:10,321 --> 00:32:11,881
Speaker 2: you know when you're there, Like you said, you're living

658
00:32:11,881 --> 00:32:14,761
Speaker 2: in the moment. It's a game of survival and everybody's

659
00:32:14,841 --> 00:32:16,241
Speaker 2: vulnerable and I don't care who.

660
00:32:16,121 --> 00:32:19,921
Speaker 3: You are, it doesn't matter. You'll get got if someone's.

661
00:32:20,881 --> 00:32:23,001
Speaker 2: The one thing I found hard over the years, and

662
00:32:23,041 --> 00:32:25,601
Speaker 2: I'll be very open about this, is the way that.

663
00:32:25,481 --> 00:32:28,641
Speaker 3: The politics changed. You know.

664
00:32:28,721 --> 00:32:32,081
Speaker 2: Back in the day, you can't label somebody without producing

665
00:32:32,081 --> 00:32:34,921
Speaker 2: the paperwork. These days, it's such a loose word for

666
00:32:35,001 --> 00:32:37,361
Speaker 2: walking in the yard. A bloke would just say just

667
00:32:37,441 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: oh yeah, he's no good, you know what I mean.

668
00:32:39,081 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: Next minute he might be with a crew and the

669
00:32:41,521 --> 00:32:43,161
Speaker 2: next minute, you know, you've got a drama.

670
00:32:43,721 --> 00:32:45,241
Speaker 3: But the bloke.

671
00:32:45,721 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 7: That's happening, I'll tell you another thing that was happening

672
00:32:48,041 --> 00:32:50,721
Speaker 7: in there the last few years. Well, please don't want

673
00:32:50,721 --> 00:32:53,801
Speaker 7: to get labeled as a dog. Paperwork would get shown

674
00:32:54,961 --> 00:32:58,681
Speaker 7: and then because that guy's producing drugs or he's running again,

675
00:32:59,321 --> 00:33:00,521
Speaker 7: that paperwork would.

676
00:33:00,281 --> 00:33:02,681
Speaker 3: Go missing and he'd be sweet in the yard.

677
00:33:02,961 --> 00:33:05,841
Speaker 1: Yeah, drugs like drugs rule jail like just.

678
00:33:05,801 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: Like I know that there was a few few people

679
00:33:08,761 --> 00:33:09,961
Speaker 3: that literally.

680
00:33:09,801 --> 00:33:11,681
Speaker 2: And when I say, I mean, look, not everybody that's

681
00:33:11,681 --> 00:33:15,081
Speaker 2: gone to the boneyard is a bad person and a dog. Okay,

682
00:33:15,401 --> 00:33:18,201
Speaker 2: there's some there's some good blokes that have just unfortunately

683
00:33:19,201 --> 00:33:21,281
Speaker 2: got a bad whack or whatever it is, and that's

684
00:33:21,281 --> 00:33:22,401
Speaker 2: where it's just ended for them.

685
00:33:22,401 --> 00:33:24,001
Speaker 3: And it's not because they're a shit person.

686
00:33:24,881 --> 00:33:28,041
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but these people that I'm referring to

687
00:33:28,081 --> 00:33:32,241
Speaker 2: a ship people, they were getting pulled back out signing out. Yeah,

688
00:33:32,281 --> 00:33:34,681
Speaker 2: because they were they I would have produced a buup

689
00:33:34,721 --> 00:33:35,761
Speaker 2: of people more.

690
00:33:35,681 --> 00:33:36,761
Speaker 3: Yeah, or have you?

691
00:33:37,361 --> 00:33:40,041
Speaker 2: They were sweet brother walk in the yards like better

692
00:33:40,121 --> 00:33:42,921
Speaker 2: than half the blokes that are real mainstream blokes.

693
00:33:42,921 --> 00:33:44,681
Speaker 3: And they're getting through their like kings like.

694
00:33:44,601 --> 00:33:46,361
Speaker 1: You rebels past them on TV.

695
00:33:46,681 --> 00:33:49,001
Speaker 2: And I've seen that on the back end of mine,

696
00:33:49,081 --> 00:33:51,681
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, coming out in fourteen thirteen fourteen,

697
00:33:51,721 --> 00:33:55,281
Speaker 2: and it was like, fuck, I just found it very

698
00:33:55,361 --> 00:33:59,041
Speaker 2: very hard as an older bloke coming back into the

699
00:33:59,081 --> 00:34:02,241
Speaker 2: system again doing a big whack. I found it hard

700
00:34:02,641 --> 00:34:05,481
Speaker 2: just the way that the younger generation was and how

701
00:34:05,561 --> 00:34:09,321
Speaker 2: loose things were said to kick things off and people

702
00:34:09,361 --> 00:34:14,041
Speaker 2: were getting pumped for nothing. Yeah, Like it's it's an ugly, ugly,

703
00:34:14,201 --> 00:34:15,121
Speaker 2: ugly world in there.

704
00:34:17,081 --> 00:34:20,121
Speaker 7: That's that's that's why you have like that's at times

705
00:34:20,121 --> 00:34:22,921
Speaker 7: you have to just carry a blade because people get

706
00:34:22,921 --> 00:34:27,521
Speaker 7: pumped for nothing. Yeah, I misunderstanding, Like one word could

707
00:34:27,561 --> 00:34:35,201
Speaker 7: be misunderstood, which gets somebody's stab. Yeah, and then it's sorry, sorry,

708
00:34:35,761 --> 00:34:39,561
Speaker 7: but it's still like sorry happened, Like you're in hospital

709
00:34:39,601 --> 00:34:41,001
Speaker 7: and you lost your life.

710
00:34:41,721 --> 00:34:42,401
Speaker 3: That that's right.

711
00:34:42,441 --> 00:34:44,201
Speaker 2: And then there comes the whole thing about you know,

712
00:34:44,321 --> 00:34:45,841
Speaker 2: like I did he bail out and all this sort

713
00:34:45,841 --> 00:34:48,121
Speaker 2: of stuff, But you forget there's a duty of care

714
00:34:48,201 --> 00:34:50,441
Speaker 2: now because now the way that the system is that

715
00:34:51,041 --> 00:34:52,561
Speaker 2: you know, whether you want to go or not, then

716
00:34:52,601 --> 00:34:54,681
Speaker 2: you get put on an na or whatever it might be.

717
00:34:54,761 --> 00:34:56,721
Speaker 2: And it's not because you're a dog or you've given

718
00:34:56,761 --> 00:34:58,721
Speaker 2: someone up. It's purely for the fact that that's how

719
00:34:58,721 --> 00:35:01,041
Speaker 2: the system works, you know what I mean. And that

720
00:35:01,201 --> 00:35:03,561
Speaker 2: good bloke that did nothing wrong because all of a

721
00:35:03,641 --> 00:35:07,521
Speaker 2: sudden doing his jar hard because of bullshit politics that

722
00:35:07,561 --> 00:35:08,721
Speaker 2: should never have happened.

723
00:35:09,081 --> 00:35:11,761
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's.

724
00:35:11,601 --> 00:35:14,801
Speaker 7: A very diverse world, like it's especially like if you're

725
00:35:14,841 --> 00:35:19,481
Speaker 7: getting really mixed into it. I noticed that's like problem

726
00:35:19,561 --> 00:35:22,641
Speaker 7: that's maxo because of just doing it hard and they

727
00:35:22,721 --> 00:35:25,721
Speaker 7: just want some some relief, so they just like want

728
00:35:25,761 --> 00:35:28,561
Speaker 7: to put someone else down to get themselves up a bit.

729
00:35:30,361 --> 00:35:34,441
Speaker 1: So my last my last what nine nine.

730
00:35:34,241 --> 00:35:37,081
Speaker 7: Months, some of that was in C class the first

731
00:35:37,121 --> 00:35:40,601
Speaker 7: time I ever experienced a CEA classo and see ones

732
00:35:40,721 --> 00:35:45,681
Speaker 7: like it's like being in a Maxo, but just with

733
00:35:45,761 --> 00:35:48,241
Speaker 7: a bunch of blokes that are ready to give you up.

734
00:35:48,681 --> 00:35:52,401
Speaker 7: That's that's what I'll see a see one like get

735
00:35:52,481 --> 00:35:55,841
Speaker 7: see two ba and as long as you have a routine,

736
00:35:56,241 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 7: but there's still those people there, but it's a bit

737
00:35:58,481 --> 00:36:00,721
Speaker 7: more relaxed where you can sort of like it's a

738
00:36:00,721 --> 00:36:02,401
Speaker 7: bit more open, you can avoid those people.

739
00:36:03,041 --> 00:36:05,841
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like that's while I was lucky enough to

740
00:36:05,881 --> 00:36:06,281
Speaker 1: go to a.

741
00:36:06,201 --> 00:36:08,641
Speaker 3: C two And well, you're right, because you can.

742
00:36:08,721 --> 00:36:11,001
Speaker 2: You can go to work, you can move around and

743
00:36:11,041 --> 00:36:13,161
Speaker 2: actly you do not have to see the same faces

744
00:36:13,201 --> 00:36:15,401
Speaker 2: every every moment of the day. You can sort of

745
00:36:15,481 --> 00:36:17,641
Speaker 2: just you're going to see the same bokes in the

746
00:36:17,721 --> 00:36:20,561
Speaker 2: units or whatever, but you're away, you're getting away from

747
00:36:20,401 --> 00:36:21,601
Speaker 2: the bullshit sort of thing.

748
00:36:21,681 --> 00:36:22,081
Speaker 3: For the day.

749
00:36:22,161 --> 00:36:24,441
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's open space, Like there's a farm, like you

750
00:36:24,481 --> 00:36:26,401
Speaker 7: can go and work on an orchard or something like that.

751
00:36:26,441 --> 00:36:28,521
Speaker 7: I had a pretty good job. I was a barber there,

752
00:36:28,561 --> 00:36:33,041
Speaker 7: so I had like free rein to like just get

753
00:36:33,081 --> 00:36:35,201
Speaker 7: around and when people want haircuts, like I just give him.

754
00:36:35,201 --> 00:36:37,241
Speaker 1: The King said go coat your hair, Like was that

755
00:36:37,321 --> 00:36:39,681
Speaker 1: a bathist? That that was a menace?

756
00:36:40,081 --> 00:36:41,481
Speaker 3: That was the last you've got to menace?

757
00:36:41,521 --> 00:36:42,321
Speaker 1: Did Yeah?

758
00:36:42,401 --> 00:36:47,241
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like crazy that jail, Wow, that would

759
00:36:47,241 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: have been.

760
00:36:48,361 --> 00:36:50,801
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's from one one high.

761
00:36:51,001 --> 00:36:51,201
Speaker 2: Yeah.

762
00:36:52,001 --> 00:36:52,201
Speaker 3: Yeah.

763
00:36:53,601 --> 00:36:55,801
Speaker 7: But I was so lucky to go there because like

764
00:36:55,881 --> 00:36:58,281
Speaker 7: that gave me so much time to work on myself

765
00:36:58,321 --> 00:37:02,361
Speaker 7: as a person and try to become the person that

766
00:37:02,481 --> 00:37:04,641
Speaker 7: I wanted to be, which i'd already done work by

767
00:37:04,641 --> 00:37:05,001
Speaker 7: this point.

768
00:37:06,401 --> 00:37:08,121
Speaker 1: There was a program at Windsor that I've done.

769
00:37:08,161 --> 00:37:11,401
Speaker 7: It's a what was it called, it's a drug It's

770
00:37:11,641 --> 00:37:19,481
Speaker 7: like a drug rehabilitation alternative sanctions program at ASB, And

771
00:37:19,521 --> 00:37:23,361
Speaker 7: I remember the facilitator there was an ant Kelly. She

772
00:37:23,681 --> 00:37:27,681
Speaker 7: like had like some really good knowledge and I learned

773
00:37:27,681 --> 00:37:30,481
Speaker 7: a lot from her and just being locked in and

774
00:37:30,521 --> 00:37:33,481
Speaker 7: that's when that's when my dad passed away. So I

775
00:37:33,561 --> 00:37:36,841
Speaker 7: really just wanted to like absorb as much information as

776
00:37:36,841 --> 00:37:40,321
Speaker 7: I could so I could learn and try to teach

777
00:37:40,361 --> 00:37:43,441
Speaker 7: myself how to become this person that I imagine myself to be.

778
00:37:43,961 --> 00:37:46,201
Speaker 1: I just I was gold driven, like really hard.

779
00:37:46,201 --> 00:37:51,521
Speaker 7: I'm still I still am.

780
00:37:49,561 --> 00:37:51,641
Speaker 1: So at that point, I was like really working on myself.

781
00:37:52,001 --> 00:37:54,881
Speaker 2: Can I just ask you something and please, brother, if

782
00:37:54,881 --> 00:37:57,121
Speaker 2: it's too much, just tell me to my business. But

783
00:37:58,361 --> 00:38:03,321
Speaker 2: the passing of your dad was during custody. I look,

784
00:38:03,401 --> 00:38:08,041
Speaker 2: like I just said earlier, that's one thing that scares me.

785
00:38:08,161 --> 00:38:11,201
Speaker 2: If if my things go south and I end up

786
00:38:11,201 --> 00:38:14,281
Speaker 2: doing a whack for whatever, then that's one thing that

787
00:38:14,361 --> 00:38:16,681
Speaker 2: it does play on my mind. I don't know how

788
00:38:17,121 --> 00:38:19,841
Speaker 2: I would personally do. I've seen men who have lost

789
00:38:19,841 --> 00:38:25,361
Speaker 2: loved ones whilst I've been in custody, and it's it's

790
00:38:25,361 --> 00:38:33,281
Speaker 2: not good. You channel that energy into something positive positive?

791
00:38:33,401 --> 00:38:35,321
Speaker 2: Can I ask you how you did that, brother, because

792
00:38:35,321 --> 00:38:38,481
Speaker 2: I think that's really important if you don't mind sharing

793
00:38:39,321 --> 00:38:42,041
Speaker 2: for someone there to understand that, because it's so easy

794
00:38:42,081 --> 00:38:44,401
Speaker 2: to just go off the rails from something so traumatic

795
00:38:44,441 --> 00:38:46,721
Speaker 2: and something that rich a harder part you know.

796
00:38:47,321 --> 00:38:48,641
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's what I say.

797
00:38:48,801 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 7: Like I was at that point at the lowest point

798
00:38:51,481 --> 00:38:55,321
Speaker 7: in my life, like I was broken, and I just

799
00:38:55,401 --> 00:38:57,481
Speaker 7: had some good mates that just wanted to help me.

800
00:38:58,481 --> 00:39:01,521
Speaker 7: One bloke was actually helping me, helping me write a eulogy,

801
00:39:01,841 --> 00:39:03,961
Speaker 7: which he come out is back in jail now, so.

802
00:39:04,241 --> 00:39:06,081
Speaker 1: I love him.

803
00:39:06,521 --> 00:39:08,681
Speaker 7: And then my family just showed me so much love

804
00:39:08,721 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 7: to write letters, bring people up, and then I had

805
00:39:11,721 --> 00:39:16,161
Speaker 7: respect for them letting me go to the funeral, like

806
00:39:16,281 --> 00:39:20,281
Speaker 7: accepting it. So I honestly think that because I was

807
00:39:20,321 --> 00:39:24,921
Speaker 7: shown compassion at the lowest point in my life, that's what.

808
00:39:24,961 --> 00:39:25,801
Speaker 1: Sort of turned me.

809
00:39:28,161 --> 00:39:30,721
Speaker 7: To being to say to myself, I don't want to like,

810
00:39:30,721 --> 00:39:32,081
Speaker 7: I don't want to be here anymore. I don't want

811
00:39:32,521 --> 00:39:34,161
Speaker 7: I don't want this year. I want to see what

812
00:39:34,201 --> 00:39:36,361
Speaker 7: else is out there, because I still didn't have a

813
00:39:36,401 --> 00:39:37,801
Speaker 7: purpose at that point.

814
00:39:38,161 --> 00:39:40,281
Speaker 2: So I still in the club bro through that period

815
00:39:40,521 --> 00:39:44,281
Speaker 2: in that okay, So now I left. I didn't that, okay,

816
00:39:44,321 --> 00:39:46,001
Speaker 2: So I didn't want to sort of get into that

817
00:39:46,041 --> 00:39:49,001
Speaker 2: too much politics around that sort of thing and conversation.

818
00:39:49,161 --> 00:39:53,041
Speaker 2: But so you're you're still in jail, You're still on

819
00:39:53,081 --> 00:39:55,601
Speaker 2: the back end of your of your seven is that right?

820
00:39:56,401 --> 00:39:56,601
Speaker 1: Yep?

821
00:39:57,361 --> 00:40:02,481
Speaker 3: And you detached from.

822
00:40:00,921 --> 00:40:02,961
Speaker 7: That was before I won my appial. So I won

823
00:40:03,081 --> 00:40:07,161
Speaker 7: my appeal because I got found guilty at trial. So

824
00:40:08,081 --> 00:40:11,561
Speaker 7: I was I still had at that point, maybe five

825
00:40:11,641 --> 00:40:15,201
Speaker 7: years to go before my pill so I'd already been

826
00:40:15,201 --> 00:40:19,281
Speaker 7: in ten years in the bottom, I'd been about five years.

827
00:40:19,321 --> 00:40:22,521
Speaker 7: I had five years ago something like that, maybe six

828
00:40:22,761 --> 00:40:25,121
Speaker 7: maybe I've been in four and six, give or take

829
00:40:25,161 --> 00:40:30,801
Speaker 7: a year. But so yeah, so that all happened and

830
00:40:32,081 --> 00:40:35,441
Speaker 7: I had to get re sentenced or go through like

831
00:40:35,521 --> 00:40:37,401
Speaker 7: my I got my pill up while I was in

832
00:40:38,641 --> 00:40:39,961
Speaker 7: just just before.

833
00:40:41,321 --> 00:40:43,561
Speaker 1: Like maybe a week before my dad passed. I got

834
00:40:43,561 --> 00:40:46,641
Speaker 1: my pill up. Wow, and then I had that.

835
00:40:46,761 --> 00:40:50,081
Speaker 3: Had that had gone wrong the appeal, you wouldn't have gotten.

836
00:40:51,001 --> 00:40:54,361
Speaker 7: If if I didn't win my appill either be in

837
00:40:54,601 --> 00:40:59,161
Speaker 7: jail right now that I'd probably be like in the

838
00:40:59,201 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 7: worst place, like Counts would be in hospital, and I'd

839
00:41:02,001 --> 00:41:04,601
Speaker 7: be in somewhere and locked up in a hole.

840
00:41:06,641 --> 00:41:08,761
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's that's what I say.

841
00:41:08,841 --> 00:41:11,961
Speaker 7: Like, because I was showing compassion and because I felt

842
00:41:11,961 --> 00:41:16,761
Speaker 7: like I didn't the right I was sort of righted

843
00:41:16,801 --> 00:41:19,641
Speaker 7: by getting my appeal up, like because it was it

844
00:41:19,721 --> 00:41:21,681
Speaker 7: was ship how I got found guilty in the first place.

845
00:41:22,161 --> 00:41:25,161
Speaker 1: Yes, but it is what it is. It made me.

846
00:41:25,361 --> 00:41:26,241
Speaker 1: I still don't regret it.

847
00:41:26,281 --> 00:41:30,241
Speaker 7: I don't hold any grudges against anyone, like I'm I'm happy.

848
00:41:30,401 --> 00:41:32,961
Speaker 3: I asked what that charge was that whack that you did?

849
00:41:33,001 --> 00:41:33,401
Speaker 3: There was that.

850
00:41:34,761 --> 00:41:38,801
Speaker 7: Yep, that's a large commercial supply and money and other

851
00:41:38,881 --> 00:41:46,361
Speaker 7: suppliers and afraid and yeah, there's also violence, like I

852
00:41:46,441 --> 00:41:48,681
Speaker 7: choke someone out in jail, so then there was that

853
00:41:48,801 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 7: charge as well.

854
00:41:49,921 --> 00:41:52,121
Speaker 1: Yep, there was.

855
00:41:53,561 --> 00:41:56,681
Speaker 7: Phones were charged with phones as well, So I had

856
00:41:56,721 --> 00:41:57,681
Speaker 7: heaps of charges.

857
00:41:57,601 --> 00:42:00,201
Speaker 2: Because they're all mandatory too, aren't they. What's that six months,

858
00:42:00,241 --> 00:42:02,401
Speaker 2: isn't it? Or nine months for a phone I got.

859
00:42:03,001 --> 00:42:07,201
Speaker 7: I'll tell you a funny story. There was two phones

860
00:42:07,921 --> 00:42:11,601
Speaker 7: they got found next door, not in my cell, in

861
00:42:11,801 --> 00:42:15,521
Speaker 7: my neighbor's cell. They got charged with it, but then

862
00:42:15,561 --> 00:42:17,121
Speaker 7: they checked the phones and seeing that I'd made a

863
00:42:17,161 --> 00:42:18,801
Speaker 7: phone call off it, so then I got charged with

864
00:42:18,841 --> 00:42:23,321
Speaker 7: it as well. They got three months, six months, and

865
00:42:24,281 --> 00:42:27,121
Speaker 7: seven months. I ended up getting ten months and the

866
00:42:27,161 --> 00:42:31,481
Speaker 7: phone aren't even in my cell, like yeah, so that

867
00:42:31,641 --> 00:42:34,361
Speaker 7: just shows you, like it's nothing in comparison, but that

868
00:42:34,481 --> 00:42:34,961
Speaker 7: just shows you.

869
00:42:35,041 --> 00:42:37,641
Speaker 1: Like I felt like the whole time of just getting

870
00:42:38,081 --> 00:42:39,321
Speaker 1: getting dicked, and then I.

871
00:42:39,281 --> 00:42:44,841
Speaker 7: Got myle like it's yeah, yeah, I just to just

872
00:42:44,881 --> 00:42:45,881
Speaker 7: get whacked.

873
00:42:46,241 --> 00:42:47,081
Speaker 3: I was just about to say.

874
00:42:47,081 --> 00:42:48,921
Speaker 2: It just goes to show when the system has it

875
00:42:48,961 --> 00:42:51,881
Speaker 2: in for you, though, and it is it's it's it

876
00:42:51,961 --> 00:42:56,041
Speaker 2: is purely structured to break you. The system is in

877
00:42:56,161 --> 00:43:00,441
Speaker 2: no way, shape or form there to help you, you know,

878
00:43:00,521 --> 00:43:04,081
Speaker 2: like it's it's a sad thing. And for someone that's

879
00:43:04,081 --> 00:43:07,081
Speaker 2: actually done a lot of time. I mean even between

880
00:43:07,161 --> 00:43:10,161
Speaker 2: us two just over twenty years, you know what I mean,

881
00:43:10,201 --> 00:43:10,641
Speaker 2: we're an a.

882
00:43:10,601 --> 00:43:12,841
Speaker 1: Young man all over twenty five years.

883
00:43:13,201 --> 00:43:15,521
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, And that that's we

884
00:43:15,561 --> 00:43:19,441
Speaker 2: can never get a day of that back. But you

885
00:43:19,481 --> 00:43:23,081
Speaker 2: know yourself, it doesn't take much for the screws to

886
00:43:23,281 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: just dislike you or like yourself. You know, if you're

887
00:43:27,001 --> 00:43:29,601
Speaker 2: I guess troublesome and they know that you're going to

888
00:43:29,641 --> 00:43:32,641
Speaker 2: be a handful, they'll just they'll just load you up,

889
00:43:32,681 --> 00:43:34,561
Speaker 2: they'll just make your health.

890
00:43:35,121 --> 00:43:38,281
Speaker 3: It's just it's just ugly. There's nothing good of is there.

891
00:43:38,841 --> 00:43:40,961
Speaker 7: Nah, that's true. They don't care at the end of

892
00:43:41,001 --> 00:43:43,041
Speaker 7: the day. They don't care about you, but.

893
00:43:42,921 --> 00:43:43,841
Speaker 3: There's no compassion.

894
00:43:43,881 --> 00:43:46,161
Speaker 7: Sometimes they're I don't know, they must get bored or

895
00:43:46,201 --> 00:43:48,281
Speaker 7: something like that, so they're like who can I poke

896
00:43:48,321 --> 00:43:52,321
Speaker 7: today just to piss off and see and like, and they're.

897
00:43:52,161 --> 00:43:53,481
Speaker 1: Ruining people's lives.

898
00:43:54,001 --> 00:43:56,801
Speaker 7: That's like they think they come to coming to work

899
00:43:57,081 --> 00:44:00,921
Speaker 7: and they're putting someone in Segro is just like something

900
00:44:00,961 --> 00:44:03,361
Speaker 7: they do at work. But like that person you just

901
00:44:03,361 --> 00:44:06,841
Speaker 7: put in Segro, his family are now upset that he's

902
00:44:06,841 --> 00:44:09,201
Speaker 7: in Zegro. His missus could leave him, his mum could

903
00:44:09,241 --> 00:44:12,921
Speaker 7: be upset with him because he's not learning his lesson. Like,

904
00:44:13,841 --> 00:44:15,801
Speaker 7: it's a lot diverse than just coming to work and

905
00:44:15,801 --> 00:44:16,721
Speaker 7: putting someone in Szegro.

906
00:44:16,841 --> 00:44:18,841
Speaker 1: Like, there's shit going on in that bloke's life.

907
00:44:19,041 --> 00:44:19,961
Speaker 3: It's a life.

908
00:44:20,121 --> 00:44:22,961
Speaker 2: I mean, look, you know it's something that we hope

909
00:44:22,961 --> 00:44:25,721
Speaker 2: that you guys out there listening take a little bit

910
00:44:25,721 --> 00:44:28,801
Speaker 2: of something from our conversations because you know, that's something

911
00:44:28,841 --> 00:44:31,281
Speaker 2: that I pride myself on with the Clinkers. You know,

912
00:44:31,321 --> 00:44:35,401
Speaker 2: we constantly get messages from people thanking you know for

913
00:44:35,481 --> 00:44:37,921
Speaker 2: what we do have him people like yourself giving your

914
00:44:37,961 --> 00:44:40,561
Speaker 2: time to be able to share your story and your journey,

915
00:44:40,601 --> 00:44:44,281
Speaker 2: and it's so valuable and I'm just I feel blessed

916
00:44:44,761 --> 00:44:47,801
Speaker 2: that men and women are able to enable me and

917
00:44:47,841 --> 00:44:50,681
Speaker 2: allow me to have mission to give your story out

918
00:44:50,721 --> 00:44:53,041
Speaker 2: to all these guests. You know, like I said, you know,

919
00:44:53,041 --> 00:44:56,481
Speaker 2: we're we're going to hit three million downloads this this

920
00:44:56,601 --> 00:44:59,641
Speaker 2: season and that's phenomenal. You know, I'm very proud of that,

921
00:44:59,721 --> 00:45:01,761
Speaker 2: and you're a part of that, so thank you. And

922
00:45:02,321 --> 00:45:04,761
Speaker 2: you know, I think the messages out there, guys, it's

923
00:45:04,881 --> 00:45:09,281
Speaker 2: just don't go down these paths. There's so much that

924
00:45:09,361 --> 00:45:12,681
Speaker 2: you lose, Your families lose. It's look at us, we

925
00:45:12,761 --> 00:45:14,841
Speaker 2: both you know, didn't get to see our sons born.

926
00:45:14,881 --> 00:45:16,361
Speaker 2: And there's so much more that I'm sure that we

927
00:45:16,401 --> 00:45:18,161
Speaker 2: could talk about. You know, I have a time, but

928
00:45:19,481 --> 00:45:22,481
Speaker 2: your opinion, Yeah, definitely.

929
00:45:23,841 --> 00:45:27,721
Speaker 7: I tell anyone that's listening, you need to be goal.

930
00:45:28,481 --> 00:45:31,601
Speaker 7: You need set goals like that's you just can't like

931
00:45:31,881 --> 00:45:34,201
Speaker 7: get around with no purpose. You need to set goals

932
00:45:34,761 --> 00:45:36,841
Speaker 7: and wake up with a purpose. You need to know

933
00:45:36,881 --> 00:45:39,521
Speaker 7: what you're going to do for the day, think about

934
00:45:39,721 --> 00:45:42,321
Speaker 7: how you're going to get to that goal today or tomorrow,

935
00:45:42,401 --> 00:45:44,801
Speaker 7: like before better or whatever whatever it is you're doing.

936
00:45:45,241 --> 00:45:49,161
Speaker 7: Don't just live like because you don't know what's going on,

937
00:45:49,241 --> 00:45:51,121
Speaker 7: like you need like you.

938
00:45:51,121 --> 00:45:51,961
Speaker 1: Just lose yourself.

939
00:45:53,121 --> 00:45:54,001
Speaker 3: There's a purpose.

940
00:45:54,601 --> 00:45:57,721
Speaker 7: A lot of mental health stuff happening these days too,

941
00:45:58,801 --> 00:46:03,121
Speaker 7: and like as it like, I'm a fitness fanatic, and

942
00:46:03,161 --> 00:46:06,121
Speaker 7: a lot of fitness fanatics will say the best way

943
00:46:06,161 --> 00:46:08,721
Speaker 7: to get through mental health is physical health. You train,

944
00:46:08,801 --> 00:46:10,841
Speaker 7: you get into the gym, it helps out, It does

945
00:46:10,881 --> 00:46:12,961
Speaker 7: help you, but there's also other stuff that you can do,

946
00:46:13,281 --> 00:46:16,321
Speaker 7: which that's mindfulness as it is, so when you're training,

947
00:46:16,361 --> 00:46:20,481
Speaker 7: you're actually being mindful, like you're thinking about only what

948
00:46:20,481 --> 00:46:20,921
Speaker 7: you're doing.

949
00:46:21,161 --> 00:46:21,761
Speaker 1: Exercise.

950
00:46:22,641 --> 00:46:25,121
Speaker 7: Empathy always makes you feel good, like you're always helping.

951
00:46:25,881 --> 00:46:28,241
Speaker 7: When you help someone else, you feel good like and

952
00:46:28,281 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 7: then even accepting somebody's help, like you think, I don't

953
00:46:30,961 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 7: want to accept his help, but you can not only

954
00:46:33,521 --> 00:46:34,841
Speaker 7: do it for yourself, you can do it for them

955
00:46:34,921 --> 00:46:36,721
Speaker 7: because it makes them feel good that they helped you.

956
00:46:37,761 --> 00:46:38,281
Speaker 3: It is good.

957
00:46:38,521 --> 00:46:41,721
Speaker 2: I find it healing, like I actually find what even this,

958
00:46:41,881 --> 00:46:44,441
Speaker 2: you know, the clink I I And there's a lot

959
00:46:44,481 --> 00:46:46,201
Speaker 2: of a lot I like to do and be involved

960
00:46:46,241 --> 00:46:50,241
Speaker 2: with outside of this, you know, But I find it

961
00:46:50,281 --> 00:46:53,561
Speaker 2: therapeutic to be able to know that there's somebody else

962
00:46:53,601 --> 00:46:56,401
Speaker 2: out there that that will benefit from what we're doing

963
00:46:56,481 --> 00:47:00,521
Speaker 2: right now. You know it, you're giving, you're giving yourself

964
00:47:00,801 --> 00:47:04,001
Speaker 2: and allowing others out there to understand they're not alone,

965
00:47:04,681 --> 00:47:06,601
Speaker 2: you know, and there is people out there with.

966
00:47:06,521 --> 00:47:08,841
Speaker 3: Great advice who are successes like yourself.

967
00:47:08,881 --> 00:47:11,921
Speaker 2: You've six months, you know, you've been out and I'd

968
00:47:11,961 --> 00:47:14,521
Speaker 2: like to ask you, Okay, so you're up for parole.

969
00:47:14,601 --> 00:47:16,561
Speaker 3: Let let's move forward a little bit here. You're up

970
00:47:16,601 --> 00:47:17,081
Speaker 3: for parole.

971
00:47:17,881 --> 00:47:20,481
Speaker 2: You're in a C class O environment. I mean, you've

972
00:47:20,521 --> 00:47:23,761
Speaker 2: done years in the concrete jungle in the battle yards,

973
00:47:23,921 --> 00:47:27,161
Speaker 2: and and it is you're a soldier to come through that.

974
00:47:27,641 --> 00:47:29,321
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying a soldier as in you know,

975
00:47:29,441 --> 00:47:31,441
Speaker 2: being a staunch, tough guy and all the rest of it.

976
00:47:31,521 --> 00:47:35,281
Speaker 2: You're just you're a soldier to get through each day,

977
00:47:35,521 --> 00:47:37,481
Speaker 2: to come out to get to where you are today.

978
00:47:37,521 --> 00:47:40,641
Speaker 2: You know that right there is the hardest thing. You know,

979
00:47:40,841 --> 00:47:43,921
Speaker 2: everything else with it is an add on, like just

980
00:47:44,001 --> 00:47:46,721
Speaker 2: you within yourself to be able to move forward in

981
00:47:46,761 --> 00:47:50,361
Speaker 2: your life to me is so so awesome. I mean,

982
00:47:50,761 --> 00:47:52,721
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've met him. I'm probably sure

983
00:47:52,761 --> 00:47:56,801
Speaker 2: you have, but I grew up with Jeff Morgan from Redfern,

984
00:47:57,001 --> 00:47:59,201
Speaker 2: and you know, Morgans is out there doing some amazing

985
00:47:59,241 --> 00:48:00,081
Speaker 2: things these days.

986
00:48:00,121 --> 00:48:00,721
Speaker 3: And you know, like.

987
00:48:00,801 --> 00:48:05,801
Speaker 8: We we did some we did some good fucking bad

988
00:48:05,841 --> 00:48:08,961
Speaker 8: shit when we're young, like straight up, you know what

989
00:48:09,001 --> 00:48:11,241
Speaker 8: I mean, Like we were cueis and done things like

990
00:48:11,841 --> 00:48:15,321
Speaker 8: But the point of my conversation is, well, he'll tell

991
00:48:15,321 --> 00:48:17,441
Speaker 8: you the same thing he's done over twenty years himself,

992
00:48:17,441 --> 00:48:18,961
Speaker 8: you know, Like, and all he wants to do is

993
00:48:18,961 --> 00:48:19,961
Speaker 8: see people succeed.

994
00:48:20,281 --> 00:48:23,281
Speaker 1: And you're not your past. You're not your past.

995
00:48:24,161 --> 00:48:26,521
Speaker 7: That's the one thing I like saying to you. You're

996
00:48:26,561 --> 00:48:28,881
Speaker 7: who you are right now, Like you can do whoever

997
00:48:28,921 --> 00:48:31,041
Speaker 7: you want right now. People are going to remember your

998
00:48:31,081 --> 00:48:34,401
Speaker 7: past soon. You just got to think, like, just because

999
00:48:34,401 --> 00:48:36,321
Speaker 7: you've done that in the past doesn't mean that's who

1000
00:48:36,361 --> 00:48:39,041
Speaker 7: you have to be. You're still that person, but you

1001
00:48:39,041 --> 00:48:41,681
Speaker 7: don't have to have the same morals. I guess the

1002
00:48:41,721 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 7: same mindset. You can mindset, Yeah you can.

1003
00:48:46,041 --> 00:48:46,281
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1004
00:48:46,401 --> 00:48:48,161
Speaker 2: I came out from I came out and I had

1005
00:48:48,161 --> 00:48:49,401
Speaker 2: three years prol and I thought, what am I going

1006
00:48:49,481 --> 00:48:49,641
Speaker 2: to do?

1007
00:48:49,721 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 3: Because I couldn't. I was living in a border town.

1008
00:48:51,641 --> 00:48:53,361
Speaker 2: My life was in Queensland and I had to live

1009
00:48:53,361 --> 00:48:54,921
Speaker 2: in yourself while I was on the border because that

1010
00:48:54,961 --> 00:48:58,481
Speaker 2: was where I was convicted and my time was you know,

1011
00:48:58,601 --> 00:49:00,521
Speaker 2: so it made it very difficult. I had an oldest

1012
00:49:00,521 --> 00:49:03,841
Speaker 2: son in Queens. Like really they made it complicated because

1013
00:49:03,841 --> 00:49:06,081
Speaker 2: I was like I was a federal offender because I

1014
00:49:06,121 --> 00:49:09,681
Speaker 2: was under a commercial importation. So for me, you know,

1015
00:49:10,401 --> 00:49:12,161
Speaker 2: it was on the higher end of the scale when

1016
00:49:12,201 --> 00:49:15,361
Speaker 2: it come to parole. But I put my time and

1017
00:49:15,401 --> 00:49:18,161
Speaker 2: effort into something similar like yourself. I didn't sort of

1018
00:49:18,201 --> 00:49:21,041
Speaker 2: get the opportunity to educate it, but I I trained

1019
00:49:21,081 --> 00:49:24,161
Speaker 2: and I brother, I became the first in the world

1020
00:49:24,161 --> 00:49:26,081
Speaker 2: to cycle across Australia in forty five days on a

1021
00:49:26,121 --> 00:49:28,921
Speaker 2: pushbat from east to west, you know, And I wanted

1022
00:49:28,961 --> 00:49:31,361
Speaker 2: my children to know that their dad wasn't just this

1023
00:49:31,481 --> 00:49:35,601
Speaker 2: shit person with these ship stories and background. And I

1024
00:49:35,681 --> 00:49:38,601
Speaker 2: say that because it is shit as much as it's

1025
00:49:38,601 --> 00:49:40,281
Speaker 2: made as who we are and what it is.

1026
00:49:40,321 --> 00:49:42,041
Speaker 3: But there's snuffing the glory of fire.

1027
00:49:42,081 --> 00:49:44,681
Speaker 2: Brother, it's not the city and pump each other up

1028
00:49:44,721 --> 00:49:46,801
Speaker 2: that you're the grouse because you did this or did that,

1029
00:49:46,881 --> 00:49:49,801
Speaker 2: like whatever. It doesn't impress man, I'm sure it doesn't

1030
00:49:49,801 --> 00:49:50,641
Speaker 2: impress you, you know.

1031
00:49:50,641 --> 00:49:54,761
Speaker 7: What to talk about that like story from back then,

1032
00:49:54,841 --> 00:49:58,041
Speaker 7: because it's like I don't want to be talking about

1033
00:49:58,161 --> 00:50:00,601
Speaker 7: like what I've done or something like that. It's just

1034
00:50:00,721 --> 00:50:03,801
Speaker 7: it's it's it's because I want to be like I

1035
00:50:03,841 --> 00:50:05,561
Speaker 7: want to be who I am now, don't even think

1036
00:50:05,601 --> 00:50:06,241
Speaker 7: about that stuff.

1037
00:50:06,241 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: It's like, that's my past.

1038
00:50:07,561 --> 00:50:09,521
Speaker 7: I'm not shamed of my past and doesn't happen. But

1039
00:50:09,601 --> 00:50:11,681
Speaker 7: unless you bring it up to me, I'm not going

1040
00:50:11,681 --> 00:50:12,401
Speaker 7: to talk about it.

1041
00:50:13,801 --> 00:50:15,561
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that that's.

1042
00:50:15,441 --> 00:50:18,481
Speaker 2: How I should be, though, because as far as I'm concerned,

1043
00:50:18,481 --> 00:50:21,281
Speaker 2: you know, like looking at what I see in you

1044
00:50:21,641 --> 00:50:24,161
Speaker 2: and and let's let's let's start to shuffle into that

1045
00:50:24,241 --> 00:50:27,601
Speaker 2: because it's exciting and and I really spark up, you know,

1046
00:50:27,721 --> 00:50:31,401
Speaker 2: like talking about what I'm seeing, what you're delivering, you know,

1047
00:50:31,521 --> 00:50:34,721
Speaker 2: and you you're a bit of a freak when it

1048
00:50:34,761 --> 00:50:36,081
Speaker 2: comes to athleticism.

1049
00:50:36,361 --> 00:50:37,561
Speaker 3: I got to give it to you. Brother.

1050
00:50:38,361 --> 00:50:41,801
Speaker 2: There's only one other man I've seen that is truly

1051
00:50:42,241 --> 00:50:44,801
Speaker 2: an absolute gem when it comes to his train and

1052
00:50:45,001 --> 00:50:45,761
Speaker 2: that's Jeff Morgan.

1053
00:50:45,801 --> 00:50:48,881
Speaker 3: Again, mate, that guy, the ability he has and what.

1054
00:50:48,841 --> 00:50:52,721
Speaker 2: I've seen him do, and and you know, he's a He's.

1055
00:50:52,601 --> 00:50:54,121
Speaker 3: A special human. You're not.

1056
00:50:54,321 --> 00:50:57,761
Speaker 2: You're not much different, brother, how you train and what

1057
00:50:57,801 --> 00:51:01,601
Speaker 2: you put into your efforts and you're just you're a

1058
00:51:01,641 --> 00:51:05,721
Speaker 2: next level human, you know, Like have you always been

1059
00:51:05,761 --> 00:51:07,521
Speaker 2: that way? And was it something that you'd start of

1060
00:51:07,561 --> 00:51:10,561
Speaker 2: train towards coming out of jail, getting your parole.

1061
00:51:10,641 --> 00:51:12,841
Speaker 3: What was that like? And then moving into that part

1062
00:51:12,881 --> 00:51:13,281
Speaker 3: of your.

1063
00:51:13,121 --> 00:51:15,521
Speaker 1: Life, training is like it's what I love.

1064
00:51:17,001 --> 00:51:21,601
Speaker 7: It's like just progressive overload training, like it's it's conditioning.

1065
00:51:21,681 --> 00:51:23,441
Speaker 7: So you start off at one level, like when I

1066
00:51:23,441 --> 00:51:25,281
Speaker 7: first went to jail when I was eighteen, I could

1067
00:51:25,401 --> 00:51:26,801
Speaker 7: not do it chin up. I couldn't even do half

1068
00:51:26,841 --> 00:51:29,761
Speaker 7: a chin up, like like there was no point, there

1069
00:51:29,801 --> 00:51:31,921
Speaker 7: was no like there was no chance I could even

1070
00:51:32,561 --> 00:51:35,361
Speaker 7: lift myself a little bit like I was. I wasn't weak,

1071
00:51:35,441 --> 00:51:38,961
Speaker 7: but I just didn't know what training was. Yeah, and

1072
00:51:39,001 --> 00:51:42,721
Speaker 7: then when you're in there, you get so bored that

1073
00:51:43,521 --> 00:51:46,921
Speaker 7: I use training as a like something to do, like

1074
00:51:46,961 --> 00:51:48,761
Speaker 7: immus to keep entertained.

1075
00:51:49,441 --> 00:51:51,281
Speaker 1: So then I just started getting into it more and

1076
00:51:51,321 --> 00:51:52,201
Speaker 1: more and more and more.

1077
00:51:52,761 --> 00:51:56,361
Speaker 7: I still go and being getting in trouble and stuff

1078
00:51:56,401 --> 00:51:58,041
Speaker 7: like that, but then I still trained every day, and

1079
00:51:58,081 --> 00:51:59,841
Speaker 7: then it was like it was like a cool thing

1080
00:51:59,881 --> 00:52:02,161
Speaker 7: to do at one stage, like I did your train today.

1081
00:52:02,161 --> 00:52:03,761
Speaker 7: It's like the only thing you talk about at one

1082
00:52:03,761 --> 00:52:08,201
Speaker 7: stage in jail. And then when I got real, I

1083
00:52:08,241 --> 00:52:10,921
Speaker 7: got real focused, like I always wanted to do fitness

1084
00:52:11,041 --> 00:52:12,681
Speaker 7: for a career. It's just I didn't know how to.

1085
00:52:13,521 --> 00:52:15,721
Speaker 7: And then when I got gold driven, and then I

1086
00:52:15,761 --> 00:52:18,721
Speaker 7: was like, well what am I actually good at like now,

1087
00:52:19,241 --> 00:52:21,721
Speaker 7: and I'm like, well, fitness. So then I'm like, well,

1088
00:52:21,801 --> 00:52:24,961
Speaker 7: let's get fitter, like let's fucking push the boundaries here,

1089
00:52:25,041 --> 00:52:28,161
Speaker 7: like what what can you do? And then I'd start

1090
00:52:28,241 --> 00:52:29,201
Speaker 7: asking like people, what.

1091
00:52:29,081 --> 00:52:29,521
Speaker 1: Can you do?

1092
00:52:29,561 --> 00:52:31,961
Speaker 7: And then like use it as a competition. So then

1093
00:52:32,041 --> 00:52:34,041
Speaker 7: I just like keep trying to up and up and

1094
00:52:34,161 --> 00:52:35,681
Speaker 7: up and up and up. And I didn't have like

1095
00:52:36,361 --> 00:52:38,241
Speaker 7: I'll take a week off or two weeks off. I'm

1096
00:52:38,241 --> 00:52:40,841
Speaker 7: just going to have have a cheap week this week

1097
00:52:40,921 --> 00:52:42,681
Speaker 7: and just eat chocolates like I see a lot of

1098
00:52:42,681 --> 00:52:43,121
Speaker 7: people do.

1099
00:52:43,161 --> 00:52:46,281
Speaker 2: That, oh the old biops and make your big cheesecakes

1100
00:52:46,281 --> 00:52:47,281
Speaker 2: and yeah, like.

1101
00:52:47,281 --> 00:52:52,361
Speaker 7: I did that, Like I can cook some mass mad jail.

1102
00:52:53,001 --> 00:52:55,801
Speaker 3: It's fine, it's kickback. You've got to have yours.

1103
00:52:56,201 --> 00:52:59,521
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I still trained, like it's still like it's

1104
00:52:59,601 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 7: just I just kept going, just kept going.

1105
00:53:02,201 --> 00:53:04,481
Speaker 2: So you you you when you were applied for a

1106
00:53:04,481 --> 00:53:06,201
Speaker 2: pro or did you have a date for parole?

1107
00:53:06,601 --> 00:53:10,561
Speaker 7: So when I at first I had ten years so

1108
00:53:10,601 --> 00:53:13,561
Speaker 7: you run a saw that, Yeah, at first. Yeah, and

1109
00:53:13,601 --> 00:53:17,121
Speaker 7: then when my pill come through, then I wasn't and

1110
00:53:17,161 --> 00:53:21,441
Speaker 7: then I got re sentenced nine months to go and

1111
00:53:21,481 --> 00:53:23,681
Speaker 7: then that went away, so then it was.

1112
00:53:23,681 --> 00:53:25,241
Speaker 1: Just normal normal parole.

1113
00:53:26,121 --> 00:53:27,481
Speaker 3: Oh wow, awesome.

1114
00:53:28,041 --> 00:53:30,401
Speaker 7: Because I got resentenced, so I've got a few charges dropped,

1115
00:53:30,401 --> 00:53:32,001
Speaker 7: and then they resentenced me because I.

1116
00:53:31,921 --> 00:53:32,961
Speaker 1: Still had other charges.

1117
00:53:33,761 --> 00:53:36,001
Speaker 7: I thought I was going home at sentencing, but then

1118
00:53:36,121 --> 00:53:38,921
Speaker 7: I think I had nine months to go or something at.

1119
00:53:38,841 --> 00:53:41,561
Speaker 2: Sentencing or and that was all done in the sea too.

1120
00:53:41,601 --> 00:53:42,961
Speaker 2: You just kick back and just got it.

1121
00:53:43,641 --> 00:53:48,641
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And literally I like it's funny because

1122
00:53:48,681 --> 00:53:51,841
Speaker 7: like I hadn't been charged for three years, the last

1123
00:53:51,881 --> 00:53:54,721
Speaker 7: three years of my jail, I hadn't been charged, and

1124
00:53:54,801 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 7: I get sentenced and literally someone walks into the pod,

1125
00:53:59,201 --> 00:54:00,481
Speaker 7: starts me off and off.

1126
00:54:01,801 --> 00:54:03,961
Speaker 1: Something happens, and then I'll get charged.

1127
00:54:05,081 --> 00:54:11,161
Speaker 7: Then that was just before Plaso jail charge, but a

1128
00:54:11,281 --> 00:54:11,881
Speaker 7: jail charge.

1129
00:54:11,961 --> 00:54:12,441
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

1130
00:54:14,641 --> 00:54:18,801
Speaker 7: Then like I went to Plasso in handcuffs at that point,

1131
00:54:19,641 --> 00:54:22,721
Speaker 7: and then I just felt like like I can't believe

1132
00:54:22,761 --> 00:54:26,161
Speaker 7: I'm here, Like I'm full, like on the straight, and

1133
00:54:26,241 --> 00:54:28,321
Speaker 7: like I'm going to my last class that I'm gonna

1134
00:54:28,361 --> 00:54:30,681
Speaker 7: have you in handcuffs and they're still get me see two.

1135
00:54:32,161 --> 00:54:34,481
Speaker 2: They must have seen the good new butt brother, honestly,

1136
00:54:34,721 --> 00:54:37,641
Speaker 2: but that's a long time for men like yourself, but

1137
00:54:38,441 --> 00:54:41,521
Speaker 2: for men like yourself who have done the jail that

1138
00:54:41,561 --> 00:54:44,041
Speaker 2: you did in the way that you did it. Let

1139
00:54:44,241 --> 00:54:46,241
Speaker 2: you're a high risk, simple as that. You know what

1140
00:54:46,321 --> 00:54:48,481
Speaker 2: I mean, You're you're high risk. You're a violent offender

1141
00:54:48,561 --> 00:54:50,641
Speaker 2: in the system. That's that's who you would have been

1142
00:54:50,681 --> 00:54:52,281
Speaker 2: known as. The squad would have just had you as

1143
00:54:52,281 --> 00:54:52,561
Speaker 2: a hit.

1144
00:54:52,761 --> 00:54:53,041
Speaker 3: That's it.

1145
00:54:53,201 --> 00:54:55,161
Speaker 2: Every time I come in bom you would have stamped,

1146
00:54:55,801 --> 00:54:58,921
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like you don't make around

1147
00:54:58,961 --> 00:55:01,761
Speaker 2: with blokes like yourself in there and here you are,

1148
00:55:01,801 --> 00:55:04,481
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, I've changed, man, Like that's huge,

1149
00:55:05,161 --> 00:55:08,401
Speaker 2: you know, to literally know that the squad's turning up

1150
00:55:08,401 --> 00:55:11,121
Speaker 2: at yourself normal ramp ik, which is is in C

1151
00:55:11,281 --> 00:55:13,761
Speaker 2: Class A jails, whatever they go for you or chief

1152
00:55:13,801 --> 00:55:17,001
Speaker 2: sweet warm check you no dramas, no cuffed up, no

1153
00:55:17,161 --> 00:55:20,961
Speaker 2: no aggression, no violence, no getting turtled and smashed and

1154
00:55:21,001 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 2: all the rest of it. You know, Like it must

1155
00:55:24,001 --> 00:55:26,401
Speaker 2: have been a hard thing for you to accept at

1156
00:55:26,401 --> 00:55:28,321
Speaker 2: that stage too, the like you're saying, you're sitting there

1157
00:55:28,361 --> 00:55:30,081
Speaker 2: in cuffs, when you put that effort.

1158
00:55:30,401 --> 00:55:33,401
Speaker 7: Yeah, one PC, and I just felt shit the whole time.

1159
00:55:33,441 --> 00:55:35,201
Speaker 7: I was like, there's so much effort I put into.

1160
00:55:35,561 --> 00:55:38,761
Speaker 7: At that time, i'd become a mentor in that ASP program,

1161
00:55:38,801 --> 00:55:41,401
Speaker 7: so I was like I was mentoring young people coming

1162
00:55:41,481 --> 00:55:46,201
Speaker 7: into the jail. And then it's just the circumstances like yeah,

1163
00:55:46,321 --> 00:55:49,081
Speaker 7: I was a mentor. But then like if someone comes

1164
00:55:49,121 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 7: and like just wants to give me the way you're

1165
00:55:51,441 --> 00:55:54,281
Speaker 7: speaking to everyone, and he addressed everyone with some words

1166
00:55:54,281 --> 00:55:57,121
Speaker 7: that you can't say in jail, It's like, I'm not

1167
00:55:57,161 --> 00:56:01,081
Speaker 7: just going to I can't sity. But then I think

1168
00:56:01,081 --> 00:56:02,921
Speaker 7: about it, I'm like, maybe I could have handled it

1169
00:56:02,961 --> 00:56:05,401
Speaker 7: a little bit different. But then like that just you

1170
00:56:05,441 --> 00:56:08,961
Speaker 7: get triggered and then yeah yeah, and then I ended

1171
00:56:09,041 --> 00:56:10,521
Speaker 7: up being in handcuffs going to class.

1172
00:56:11,801 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 2: So from that you get a sea too, and you're

1173
00:56:14,441 --> 00:56:18,401
Speaker 2: able to stay in that Sea two environment.

1174
00:56:18,441 --> 00:56:21,041
Speaker 3: Obviously there was no repercussions from that charge.

1175
00:56:21,441 --> 00:56:23,041
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's truck.

1176
00:56:23,761 --> 00:56:27,481
Speaker 2: Yeah that's a blessing another one.

1177
00:56:27,881 --> 00:56:29,121
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what.

1178
00:56:29,241 --> 00:56:31,161
Speaker 7: At that point, I was just like, you know, like

1179
00:56:31,841 --> 00:56:34,401
Speaker 7: God's on my side, and and I honestly was like

1180
00:56:35,521 --> 00:56:36,601
Speaker 7: reading the Bible every day.

1181
00:56:36,601 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 3: I had.

1182
00:56:38,441 --> 00:56:41,321
Speaker 7: A Daily Readings Catholic, that Daily Readings book where I

1183
00:56:41,441 --> 00:56:44,001
Speaker 7: get read that every single morning without fail.

1184
00:56:44,521 --> 00:56:47,081
Speaker 1: I had my Rosary, which I've still still got in

1185
00:56:47,081 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: my car.

1186
00:56:47,681 --> 00:56:52,361
Speaker 7: I prayed twice. I've done the Rosary every night before bed.

1187
00:56:52,441 --> 00:56:56,201
Speaker 7: I prayed in the morning. I prayed constantly. Like that's

1188
00:56:56,201 --> 00:56:58,561
Speaker 7: when I actually like I still got like I just

1189
00:56:58,641 --> 00:57:00,601
Speaker 7: I went to church this morning Sunday.

1190
00:57:00,681 --> 00:57:04,161
Speaker 2: So that's a good scene Christmas to you. Also went

1191
00:57:04,161 --> 00:57:04,881
Speaker 2: to midnight Mass.

1192
00:57:05,121 --> 00:57:06,801
Speaker 1: Looked in my mask. Yeah, I took my son.

1193
00:57:08,961 --> 00:57:11,321
Speaker 3: Yeah that's that's awesome.

1194
00:57:11,561 --> 00:57:13,721
Speaker 7: And that's that's I honestly think that God's on my

1195
00:57:13,801 --> 00:57:20,161
Speaker 7: side and even though like I'm still like sinning against him,

1196
00:57:20,441 --> 00:57:24,241
Speaker 7: he still shows me compassion and love to be like

1197
00:57:24,361 --> 00:57:26,881
Speaker 7: at that point, it's like as soon as as soon

1198
00:57:26,921 --> 00:57:28,321
Speaker 7: as that happened and I got locked in the cell

1199
00:57:28,361 --> 00:57:30,001
Speaker 7: and I was like, oh, you have to go to

1200
00:57:30,001 --> 00:57:30,681
Speaker 7: segrad now.

1201
00:57:31,281 --> 00:57:33,441
Speaker 1: And I'm like a mentor in it, and I'm changing

1202
00:57:33,441 --> 00:57:36,041
Speaker 1: my life. I'm not got a different like mindset space.

1203
00:57:36,041 --> 00:57:37,801
Speaker 1: I'm like this can't.

1204
00:57:37,601 --> 00:57:39,961
Speaker 7: Happen, like I've put so much effort into it. I

1205
00:57:40,041 --> 00:57:45,961
Speaker 7: just started praying again and then it just like it

1206
00:57:46,081 --> 00:57:47,921
Speaker 7: just happened. I was just in see two jail.

1207
00:57:47,961 --> 00:57:52,121
Speaker 2: It's like crazy, it is, it's very powerful. I pray

1208
00:57:52,201 --> 00:57:56,041
Speaker 2: daily myself and I must say that you know I

1209
00:57:56,361 --> 00:58:00,201
Speaker 2: see things clear and different. Even in my situation and

1210
00:58:00,241 --> 00:58:04,761
Speaker 2: my battles that I'm going through and ahead, it isn't

1211
00:58:04,761 --> 00:58:05,441
Speaker 2: God's hands.

1212
00:58:05,481 --> 00:58:07,481
Speaker 3: And but you you must.

1213
00:58:07,281 --> 00:58:11,041
Speaker 2: Have genuinely have faith in God and give yourself up

1214
00:58:11,761 --> 00:58:15,841
Speaker 2: to the Lord and just let And it's hard because

1215
00:58:15,881 --> 00:58:17,641
Speaker 2: there's days there where we look in the mirror or

1216
00:58:17,841 --> 00:58:19,601
Speaker 2: you know, we have that at moments.

1217
00:58:19,641 --> 00:58:22,561
Speaker 3: Why Lord, you know, I know why? Why is this? Why?

1218
00:58:22,881 --> 00:58:25,401
Speaker 3: You know, like I'm being the best I can be.

1219
00:58:25,601 --> 00:58:28,801
Speaker 2: But you know, even in my situation, I keep getting told,

1220
00:58:28,841 --> 00:58:30,881
Speaker 2: you know there's there's bigger things that God's got for you.

1221
00:58:30,961 --> 00:58:37,001
Speaker 2: Well I'm okay, yeah, I like what more can I say?

1222
00:58:38,241 --> 00:58:41,401
Speaker 2: And obviously for you, you know, like your path it's

1223
00:58:41,441 --> 00:58:44,761
Speaker 2: bright and you know you've got the Lord on your side.

1224
00:58:44,801 --> 00:58:47,561
Speaker 3: And amen to that, brother, because I think you know, like.

1225
00:58:47,761 --> 00:58:52,321
Speaker 2: You've you've really got to be able to give yourself

1226
00:58:52,361 --> 00:58:53,801
Speaker 2: one hundred percent and not.

1227
00:58:53,841 --> 00:58:57,841
Speaker 3: Be a fool because people see through bullshit. And you know,

1228
00:58:57,881 --> 00:59:00,121
Speaker 3: you and I both know that we can look at people.

1229
00:59:00,121 --> 00:59:02,161
Speaker 2: I'm sure you can you know from where we've come from,

1230
00:59:02,241 --> 00:59:05,721
Speaker 2: and it's all a lot for me is language. You know,

1231
00:59:05,761 --> 00:59:08,521
Speaker 2: the moment I look at somebody without even sort of

1232
00:59:08,521 --> 00:59:10,681
Speaker 2: hearing them talk, generally, you sort of get a fair

1233
00:59:10,721 --> 00:59:11,761
Speaker 2: gift of where.

1234
00:59:11,521 --> 00:59:12,761
Speaker 3: You're at or what's happened.

1235
00:59:12,761 --> 00:59:16,241
Speaker 2: You know, I'm when the stolen person you're around and

1236
00:59:16,521 --> 00:59:18,761
Speaker 2: and you know, sometimes it's a bit of a gift.

1237
00:59:18,801 --> 00:59:23,801
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's a little bit of it's not good, it's in.

1238
00:59:24,241 --> 00:59:28,001
Speaker 2: Trouble, but you know, like it is that it's things

1239
00:59:28,041 --> 00:59:30,961
Speaker 2: like that that you you thank God for because it

1240
00:59:31,001 --> 00:59:33,241
Speaker 2: could be that moment that saves your life as well.

1241
00:59:33,961 --> 00:59:36,201
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, here you are out now.

1242
00:59:36,801 --> 00:59:39,361
Speaker 7: Thanksgivings for God is very important too, because a lot

1243
00:59:39,361 --> 00:59:41,521
Speaker 7: of people when they're in a hard hard times, they

1244
00:59:41,521 --> 00:59:44,481
Speaker 7: turn to God and says, look, God, help me save me,

1245
00:59:44,921 --> 00:59:48,121
Speaker 7: get me out of this. When they released not saying

1246
00:59:48,121 --> 00:59:51,041
Speaker 7: that God, not saying that God does save them, like

1247
00:59:51,641 --> 00:59:54,281
Speaker 7: he's not just going to like he loves everyone, but

1248
00:59:54,361 --> 00:59:57,201
Speaker 7: it's not him. It's not him that literally saved you

1249
00:59:57,241 --> 01:00:01,201
Speaker 7: from that position. Like God takes sometimes decades to work.

1250
01:00:01,361 --> 01:00:05,681
Speaker 7: Like you read the Bible, it's like things things that

1251
01:00:05,961 --> 01:00:08,521
Speaker 7: happen all the time straight away. Sometimes they waited fifty

1252
01:00:08,601 --> 01:00:13,441
Speaker 7: years later and then he freezes people. But because people

1253
01:00:13,521 --> 01:00:16,521
Speaker 7: ask for help when they're in hard times, and then

1254
01:00:16,561 --> 01:00:18,801
Speaker 7: when they're in a good time, they forget about God.

1255
01:00:19,761 --> 01:00:22,561
Speaker 7: So like, right now, I feel so blessed and like

1256
01:00:22,641 --> 01:00:25,601
Speaker 7: I've achieved so much, and people tell me constantly like

1257
01:00:26,161 --> 01:00:28,841
Speaker 7: and it's like it's good to hear people tell me

1258
01:00:28,881 --> 01:00:30,841
Speaker 7: that they're proud of me. They can't believe what I've

1259
01:00:30,881 --> 01:00:33,801
Speaker 7: achieved in six months of being out. But still, like,

1260
01:00:33,961 --> 01:00:37,561
Speaker 7: I have to give credit to God for getting me

1261
01:00:37,641 --> 01:00:41,281
Speaker 7: out of that mindset, because I feel like God didn't

1262
01:00:41,321 --> 01:00:44,161
Speaker 7: save me from jail, but he saved me from that mindset.

1263
01:00:44,201 --> 01:00:45,601
Speaker 1: He's the reason.

1264
01:00:45,321 --> 01:00:49,281
Speaker 7: Why, and his love and compassion is the reason why,

1265
01:00:49,601 --> 01:00:53,521
Speaker 7: one of the reasons why I wanted to give back

1266
01:00:53,561 --> 01:00:55,001
Speaker 7: to him, and so I thank him every day.

1267
01:00:55,001 --> 01:00:57,641
Speaker 1: I'll go to church every every weekend.

1268
01:00:57,681 --> 01:01:01,681
Speaker 3: Still like you're being aroundtle too for your family.

1269
01:01:01,841 --> 01:01:05,521
Speaker 2: You know, you're a man, a father, you know, like

1270
01:01:05,641 --> 01:01:09,041
Speaker 2: this is something that you know you're now setting your

1271
01:01:09,121 --> 01:01:13,441
Speaker 2: family's life up through your actions. Yeah, you know, And

1272
01:01:13,481 --> 01:01:15,721
Speaker 2: this is what it's about for me, children, my children.

1273
01:01:15,761 --> 01:01:19,121
Speaker 2: You know, I'm blessed. You know my wrongs have been

1274
01:01:19,161 --> 01:01:22,241
Speaker 2: their rights. I'm so blessed my children, you know, from

1275
01:01:22,241 --> 01:01:24,121
Speaker 2: twenty five down to nine.

1276
01:01:24,161 --> 01:01:27,001
Speaker 3: I have three boys and a nine year old me.

1277
01:01:27,601 --> 01:01:29,521
Speaker 3: I got a nine year old brother. He's my worry.

1278
01:01:29,601 --> 01:01:32,001
Speaker 3: God love him. But he's just a machine. You know.

1279
01:01:32,041 --> 01:01:35,281
Speaker 2: He loves just he just he's a beautiful boy. He's

1280
01:01:35,361 --> 01:01:37,721
Speaker 2: just full of, full of anybody's the most affection. He's

1281
01:01:37,721 --> 01:01:40,201
Speaker 2: the little teddy bear. You know, where's the twenty five

1282
01:01:40,281 --> 01:01:42,801
Speaker 2: year olds? You know, he's independent, doing his thing. He's

1283
01:01:42,921 --> 01:01:45,401
Speaker 2: very successful. And I was born with them. I had

1284
01:01:45,401 --> 01:01:47,641
Speaker 2: a daughter who was born who's legally blind as well,

1285
01:01:47,721 --> 01:01:51,601
Speaker 2: so you know, she's almost seventeen and she's she's doing

1286
01:01:51,641 --> 01:01:53,681
Speaker 2: some wonderful things. I mean my thirteen year old son

1287
01:01:53,721 --> 01:01:56,321
Speaker 2: as well. He's working two casual jobs in the holidays

1288
01:01:56,321 --> 01:02:00,281
Speaker 2: at thirteen. You know, he's walking for twenty Yeah, love

1289
01:02:00,321 --> 01:02:00,641
Speaker 2: and life.

1290
01:02:00,721 --> 01:02:01,561
Speaker 3: He's an academic.

1291
01:02:01,601 --> 01:02:03,881
Speaker 2: He's in Rugby League Excellence up here in one of

1292
01:02:03,921 --> 01:02:08,201
Speaker 2: the top schools. So, you know, us as role models

1293
01:02:08,721 --> 01:02:11,681
Speaker 2: what we And I'm sure that you wouldn't be one

1294
01:02:11,721 --> 01:02:14,241
Speaker 2: to hide who you were from your children either, you know.

1295
01:02:14,761 --> 01:02:15,921
Speaker 1: Yeah, no I don't.

1296
01:02:17,321 --> 01:02:18,801
Speaker 3: It, No, no, no, not at all.

1297
01:02:19,281 --> 01:02:21,321
Speaker 1: I don't tell him stories that he needs to know.

1298
01:02:21,401 --> 01:02:22,761
Speaker 1: I just let him see me.

1299
01:02:22,961 --> 01:02:25,361
Speaker 7: Like it's like, I'm not going to tell him you

1300
01:02:25,401 --> 01:02:27,561
Speaker 7: need to do this, you need to do that. I'll

1301
01:02:27,601 --> 01:02:30,601
Speaker 7: show him in my actions what to do this. So

1302
01:02:30,641 --> 01:02:33,601
Speaker 7: I'll be the person and I'll do what I want

1303
01:02:33,641 --> 01:02:36,521
Speaker 7: you to do. Yeah, So I'm not going to sit

1304
01:02:36,601 --> 01:02:39,241
Speaker 7: back and then like I don't drink. I don't drink

1305
01:02:39,241 --> 01:02:41,881
Speaker 7: alcohol and don't smoke, and like I'll make sure he

1306
01:02:42,001 --> 01:02:44,001
Speaker 7: knows that I don't do that because I expect him

1307
01:02:44,041 --> 01:02:45,721
Speaker 7: not to do that at all too.

1308
01:02:45,761 --> 01:02:47,961
Speaker 2: I love that I expect And you know what pre

1309
01:02:48,121 --> 01:02:50,281
Speaker 2: season's kicking off up here. You know, like my son's

1310
01:02:50,321 --> 01:02:52,641
Speaker 2: got three weeks off before he goes back into his

1311
01:02:53,281 --> 01:02:55,721
Speaker 2: program and he's he's one of the top locks in

1312
01:02:56,001 --> 01:02:59,761
Speaker 2: Southeast Queensland for his age division. So you know he's

1313
01:02:59,761 --> 01:03:01,721
Speaker 2: had he's had his down times and yes he's been

1314
01:03:01,761 --> 01:03:02,801
Speaker 2: working on the holidays.

1315
01:03:02,841 --> 01:03:05,361
Speaker 3: But I've been right, come on, we've got to it out.

1316
01:03:05,361 --> 01:03:07,481
Speaker 2: We're going to get moving. We've got to start working together.

1317
01:03:07,481 --> 01:03:08,841
Speaker 2: We've got to get your fitness up. You know, you're

1318
01:03:08,841 --> 01:03:10,361
Speaker 2: going to come back into that school and it's going

1319
01:03:10,361 --> 01:03:12,561
Speaker 2: to be full on. Bang, let's go, where's your testing.

1320
01:03:12,721 --> 01:03:14,641
Speaker 2: It's going to be hard, it's going to be full.

1321
01:03:14,721 --> 01:03:16,801
Speaker 2: Just before we've recorded today, we went out and did

1322
01:03:16,841 --> 01:03:19,441
Speaker 2: ten k's together, you know, and I'm running with him,

1323
01:03:19,441 --> 01:03:21,161
Speaker 2: and I'll be honest you, I've just had a double

1324
01:03:21,161 --> 01:03:25,121
Speaker 2: spinal fusion. I'm ten weeks post surgery, and I've got

1325
01:03:25,121 --> 01:03:27,641
Speaker 2: this nerve issue where I lose feeling in my left leg.

1326
01:03:27,961 --> 01:03:29,881
Speaker 2: So I'm running, you know, like four k's in and

1327
01:03:29,921 --> 01:03:32,321
Speaker 2: I can't film my left leg. And all I'm thinking

1328
01:03:32,441 --> 01:03:36,041
Speaker 2: is I have to be the lead Horsey if I ask.

1329
01:03:35,961 --> 01:03:36,561
Speaker 3: Him to do it.

1330
01:03:37,121 --> 01:03:39,001
Speaker 2: And he says no, he's going to be right down

1331
01:03:39,041 --> 01:03:41,081
Speaker 2: and say no, what I'm sitting back, just going get

1332
01:03:41,081 --> 01:03:42,921
Speaker 2: out there and do that run that's pissing now, ain't

1333
01:03:42,921 --> 01:03:44,641
Speaker 2: come on. And you know, like he was out there

1334
01:03:44,681 --> 01:03:46,321
Speaker 2: and he said, Dad, do you enjoy running in the rain?

1335
01:03:46,401 --> 01:03:48,441
Speaker 2: I said, I love running in the rain. It's replenishing,

1336
01:03:48,481 --> 01:03:50,241
Speaker 2: it's cleansing. He goes, oh, what.

1337
01:03:50,241 --> 01:03:50,921
Speaker 3: About our shoes?

1338
01:03:50,961 --> 01:03:53,601
Speaker 2: I said, well, shoes get wet, you know, I mean,

1339
01:03:53,841 --> 01:03:55,721
Speaker 2: and it's raining up here today as you can see

1340
01:03:55,801 --> 01:03:56,081
Speaker 2: it back.

1341
01:03:56,121 --> 01:03:57,241
Speaker 3: It ain't a pretty day, you know.

1342
01:03:57,281 --> 01:03:58,881
Speaker 2: And we got out there and we knuckled down and

1343
01:03:58,921 --> 01:04:02,001
Speaker 2: we pushed through it and we did it. And that

1344
01:04:02,081 --> 01:04:06,561
Speaker 2: moment is what matters, you know, leading and showing you

1345
01:04:06,761 --> 01:04:10,321
Speaker 2: right now, and let's talk about that because it is

1346
01:04:10,601 --> 01:04:11,481
Speaker 2: something amazing.

1347
01:04:11,641 --> 01:04:12,561
Speaker 3: You are leading you.

1348
01:04:12,841 --> 01:04:15,041
Speaker 2: You really are going to be at the top of

1349
01:04:15,081 --> 01:04:16,681
Speaker 2: your game at what you do, and you've got some

1350
01:04:16,721 --> 01:04:20,401
Speaker 2: great support you're working with. If I may say, Bam, Bam,

1351
01:04:20,481 --> 01:04:24,201
Speaker 2: a UFC fighter out of the Druid, who's a banger

1352
01:04:24,241 --> 01:04:26,561
Speaker 2: of all bangers. You know, what a great what a

1353
01:04:26,601 --> 01:04:29,841
Speaker 2: great thing. I'm guessing you guys were buddies at some

1354
01:04:30,041 --> 01:04:31,401
Speaker 2: stage maybe or.

1355
01:04:31,321 --> 01:04:35,601
Speaker 7: Was it definitely become buddies now from from the same area.

1356
01:04:36,561 --> 01:04:39,161
Speaker 3: And he knows, you know, what a trainer is.

1357
01:04:39,201 --> 01:04:42,081
Speaker 2: He's been around a long time and he's he's working

1358
01:04:42,121 --> 01:04:44,721
Speaker 2: with you and people that you've got around you. Just

1359
01:04:44,801 --> 01:04:48,401
Speaker 2: it's starting to lift lift who you are and what

1360
01:04:48,401 --> 01:04:49,321
Speaker 2: you're trying to achieve.

1361
01:04:49,761 --> 01:04:52,361
Speaker 7: He's definitely a bloke. If he's fit and healthy, he

1362
01:04:52,401 --> 01:04:54,601
Speaker 7: could be number one. He would be number one he

1363
01:04:54,681 --> 01:04:55,561
Speaker 7: was fit healthy.

1364
01:04:55,801 --> 01:04:59,041
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about her. He's just there's something special

1365
01:04:59,081 --> 01:05:01,961
Speaker 2: about him. He's charisma and everything, but he has he's

1366
01:05:02,081 --> 01:05:02,641
Speaker 2: just a banger.

1367
01:05:02,801 --> 01:05:09,001
Speaker 3: He can say it's no two ways and with this boot.

1368
01:05:08,721 --> 01:05:10,961
Speaker 2: Camp, how's that going for you were talking about that

1369
01:05:11,041 --> 01:05:13,001
Speaker 2: earlier and you've now got set up.

1370
01:05:13,281 --> 01:05:14,321
Speaker 1: Yeah, starting tomorrow.

1371
01:05:14,361 --> 01:05:17,161
Speaker 7: So literally I was actually marketing, which is like, it's

1372
01:05:17,241 --> 01:05:19,761
Speaker 7: crazy even think that I would be marketing anything.

1373
01:05:19,881 --> 01:05:22,361
Speaker 1: Like it's over the weekend.

1374
01:05:22,361 --> 01:05:24,441
Speaker 2: Smile on your face when even when you're talking about

1375
01:05:24,561 --> 01:05:27,921
Speaker 2: the glow in your actual your face, the look in

1376
01:05:27,961 --> 01:05:31,121
Speaker 2: your eyes, you know that your cheeks, it's just you're

1377
01:05:31,161 --> 01:05:32,601
Speaker 2: just so happy with what you're doing.

1378
01:05:33,161 --> 01:05:36,961
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like actually bringing me joy, a like doing

1379
01:05:37,081 --> 01:05:40,641
Speaker 7: things now that I've just never pictured myself doing, but

1380
01:05:40,801 --> 01:05:43,601
Speaker 7: because of my goals that I've set for myself, these

1381
01:05:43,641 --> 01:05:46,081
Speaker 7: are the things that I have to do. I don't

1382
01:05:46,241 --> 01:05:50,281
Speaker 7: like doing them, but I like getting results out of

1383
01:05:50,321 --> 01:05:52,121
Speaker 7: them to get to my goal. Like I like where

1384
01:05:52,121 --> 01:05:56,921
Speaker 7: it's taking me. So it's hard work. Like I didn't

1385
01:05:56,921 --> 01:05:59,041
Speaker 7: get to sleep till twelve thirty because it was the

1386
01:05:59,041 --> 01:06:00,161
Speaker 7: writing and program for a.

1387
01:06:02,801 --> 01:06:03,601
Speaker 1: Football player.

1388
01:06:04,281 --> 01:06:08,041
Speaker 7: Yeah that's going into like pre season and going into

1389
01:06:08,081 --> 01:06:08,521
Speaker 7: training now.

1390
01:06:11,761 --> 01:06:13,481
Speaker 1: So I didn't get into it until twelve thirty.

1391
01:06:13,481 --> 01:06:16,081
Speaker 7: But then I work up still to go to church

1392
01:06:16,521 --> 01:06:19,561
Speaker 7: at five am because I set my alarm a little

1393
01:06:19,561 --> 01:06:22,041
Speaker 7: bit wrong because I was so tired when I set

1394
01:06:22,081 --> 01:06:23,921
Speaker 7: my alarm, but I still I just got up and

1395
01:06:24,281 --> 01:06:24,681
Speaker 7: just done it.

1396
01:06:24,681 --> 01:06:25,361
Speaker 1: So it's hard work.

1397
01:06:25,481 --> 01:06:27,961
Speaker 7: Like I'm like, I try to get to sleep, but

1398
01:06:28,721 --> 01:06:31,241
Speaker 7: it sleeps a bit off of them. And usually I

1399
01:06:31,761 --> 01:06:34,281
Speaker 7: prioritized sleep like in the past of priorities.

1400
01:06:34,361 --> 01:06:35,281
Speaker 1: Sleep is very important.

1401
01:06:36,081 --> 01:06:39,481
Speaker 7: But because I'm working so hard, like I'm struggling to

1402
01:06:39,521 --> 01:06:41,321
Speaker 7: find time to be able to sleep.

1403
01:06:41,961 --> 01:06:44,441
Speaker 1: But it's it's getting to me.

1404
01:06:44,601 --> 01:06:46,641
Speaker 7: It's getting to be every day one step closer to

1405
01:06:46,641 --> 01:06:48,761
Speaker 7: where I want to be. So I'll just keep doing it.

1406
01:06:48,761 --> 01:06:50,601
Speaker 3: It's at one percent in it. And that's something else,

1407
01:06:50,961 --> 01:06:52,521
Speaker 3: you know, embedding my children's head.

1408
01:06:52,601 --> 01:06:54,801
Speaker 2: Just today you don't have to be the greatest, Just

1409
01:06:54,921 --> 01:06:56,881
Speaker 2: be one percent better than you were yesterday, and it

1410
01:06:56,921 --> 01:06:57,401
Speaker 2: adds up.

1411
01:06:57,641 --> 01:07:00,521
Speaker 3: It just keeps stacking up. Sooner or later, you're going

1412
01:07:00,521 --> 01:07:01,761
Speaker 3: to be a mile in front. You know.

1413
01:07:01,881 --> 01:07:03,401
Speaker 2: If you give up and you just let that one

1414
01:07:03,441 --> 01:07:06,521
Speaker 2: percent full behind, that's a subtraction, you know what I mean,

1415
01:07:06,561 --> 01:07:09,321
Speaker 2: You're going backwards on You've got to go forward, just

1416
01:07:09,361 --> 01:07:11,961
Speaker 2: that little bit. Like you said, you know those goals now,

1417
01:07:12,081 --> 01:07:14,721
Speaker 2: just set the goals. You have those goals, a small goal,

1418
01:07:14,761 --> 01:07:16,361
Speaker 2: even just hit that goal. You know what I mean

1419
01:07:16,361 --> 01:07:19,881
Speaker 2: that's a win. Yeah, How can I ask you something?

1420
01:07:20,041 --> 01:07:22,441
Speaker 2: And I mean this seriously because I struggled with this.

1421
01:07:22,481 --> 01:07:25,121
Speaker 2: When you talk about your sleep, I mean you've only

1422
01:07:25,161 --> 01:07:28,161
Speaker 2: been home next to no time. Six months is nothing

1423
01:07:28,201 --> 01:07:30,961
Speaker 2: after what you've done, you know. For me, it probably

1424
01:07:31,001 --> 01:07:33,001
Speaker 2: took twelve months to be comfortable to come out of

1425
01:07:33,001 --> 01:07:37,321
Speaker 2: my bedroom. I would literally come into the house and

1426
01:07:37,641 --> 01:07:40,961
Speaker 2: be happy to be in my bedroom where I had

1427
01:07:41,001 --> 01:07:43,641
Speaker 2: my TV and the shower and the on sweet like

1428
01:07:43,721 --> 01:07:46,041
Speaker 2: it just was. It was like I was in a cell,

1429
01:07:46,121 --> 01:07:49,521
Speaker 2: but I couldn't bring myself out to sit in the

1430
01:07:49,561 --> 01:07:51,321
Speaker 2: family environment area.

1431
01:07:51,521 --> 01:07:52,841
Speaker 3: It just didn't, I don't know.

1432
01:07:52,881 --> 01:07:55,961
Speaker 2: And then the whole sleep you know that slightest noise,

1433
01:07:56,041 --> 01:07:57,961
Speaker 2: you know because obviously you know you hear them walk

1434
01:07:58,001 --> 01:08:00,201
Speaker 2: around or not, the keys and the doors cracking.

1435
01:08:00,401 --> 01:08:02,321
Speaker 3: Just how have you done with that? Bro?

1436
01:08:03,281 --> 01:08:05,241
Speaker 7: When I was inside, Like I was saying before, I

1437
01:08:05,321 --> 01:08:07,681
Speaker 7: just worked on myself, Like I know exactly the fit

1438
01:08:08,321 --> 01:08:10,241
Speaker 7: that feeling, because I've had it when I've been out

1439
01:08:10,281 --> 01:08:13,041
Speaker 7: of jail before. Like I've literally sit in my room

1440
01:08:13,641 --> 01:08:15,441
Speaker 7: where I was just about to call I sell them,

1441
01:08:15,521 --> 01:08:16,001
Speaker 7: but it's a.

1442
01:08:16,081 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: Room at home outside of jail.

1443
01:08:19,361 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 7: And then look at my door, waiting for the screw

1444
01:08:20,961 --> 01:08:23,281
Speaker 7: to open the door, like it's like I can go

1445
01:08:23,321 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 7: and grab the handle, open the door and walk out

1446
01:08:25,801 --> 01:08:28,121
Speaker 7: the door right now. And I wasn't used to it,

1447
01:08:28,161 --> 01:08:31,041
Speaker 7: and I've been through that stuff, and then I've gone

1448
01:08:31,081 --> 01:08:33,761
Speaker 7: back to jail, come back out, felt PARANOI didn't want

1449
01:08:33,761 --> 01:08:36,961
Speaker 7: to go chopping centers, went back to jail, like I've

1450
01:08:37,001 --> 01:08:37,521
Speaker 7: been through it.

1451
01:08:37,601 --> 01:08:39,241
Speaker 1: And then because I lived.

1452
01:08:39,001 --> 01:08:45,521
Speaker 7: That experience, and when I made the decision to just

1453
01:08:45,841 --> 01:08:49,681
Speaker 7: like just get to where I'm going, and it was

1454
01:08:50,001 --> 01:08:52,921
Speaker 7: you don't just make the decision over overnight, Like there's

1455
01:08:53,521 --> 01:08:58,081
Speaker 7: someone told me, what is that ninety percent of your

1456
01:08:58,081 --> 01:09:02,561
Speaker 7: thoughts today are the same as tomorrow, So so you

1457
01:09:02,601 --> 01:09:05,961
Speaker 7: can only change your thought that it might even be

1458
01:09:06,041 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 7: ninety five like like one like ten percent every day,

1459
01:09:10,121 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 7: but then you're still going to have those same thoughts.

1460
01:09:11,721 --> 01:09:15,001
Speaker 7: But if you keep progressing every single day and changing

1461
01:09:15,041 --> 01:09:18,841
Speaker 7: those thoughts even one percent every day, you get to

1462
01:09:18,881 --> 01:09:19,561
Speaker 7: a point where.

1463
01:09:19,361 --> 01:09:23,081
Speaker 1: It's completely different. So things that don't happen overnight.

1464
01:09:23,121 --> 01:09:25,161
Speaker 7: But I kept working on it, and then I kept

1465
01:09:25,201 --> 01:09:28,401
Speaker 7: getting reminders when bad things have happened.

1466
01:09:28,601 --> 01:09:29,481
Speaker 1: That's another reminder.

1467
01:09:29,481 --> 01:09:32,321
Speaker 7: Okay, I need to get back onto this thought pattern

1468
01:09:32,881 --> 01:09:36,761
Speaker 7: and then just I progressed and just keep progressing. So

1469
01:09:36,841 --> 01:09:41,001
Speaker 7: I worked on myself like a lot, Like it's constant work,

1470
01:09:41,361 --> 01:09:42,041
Speaker 7: constant work.

1471
01:09:42,121 --> 01:09:46,161
Speaker 2: Like even speaking to you, you're very articulate, You're far

1472
01:09:46,241 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 2: from silly.

1473
01:09:47,481 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 3: You're an intelligent man.

1474
01:09:49,241 --> 01:09:52,361
Speaker 2: Have you always though, been comfortable to you know, be

1475
01:09:52,561 --> 01:09:55,761
Speaker 2: sort of speaking comfortably and relaxed, or of you sort

1476
01:09:55,801 --> 01:09:58,121
Speaker 2: of always been a little bit more quiet, especially you know,

1477
01:09:58,321 --> 01:10:01,361
Speaker 2: you know, you don't walk around whole conversations with hardly anyone.

1478
01:10:01,681 --> 01:10:05,161
Speaker 3: You gotta be real tight before you even so experience.

1479
01:10:04,841 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 7: To podcasts and spin out about probably how much I'm speaking,

1480
01:10:07,921 --> 01:10:08,401
Speaker 7: But like.

1481
01:10:08,481 --> 01:10:09,761
Speaker 3: That's that's what I'm trying to say.

1482
01:10:09,801 --> 01:10:12,801
Speaker 2: I could see just I've never we've never physically met,

1483
01:10:12,841 --> 01:10:16,281
Speaker 2: but getting to understand you that you would have been

1484
01:10:16,281 --> 01:10:19,161
Speaker 2: that style of bloke, wouldn't have said too much. But

1485
01:10:19,841 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 2: here you are, you know, and you're able to freely

1486
01:10:23,001 --> 01:10:25,121
Speaker 2: enjoy a conversation. Yeah.

1487
01:10:25,241 --> 01:10:25,521
Speaker 1: I think.

1488
01:10:25,601 --> 01:10:30,881
Speaker 7: I think when I'm confident about a topic that I

1489
01:10:30,921 --> 01:10:34,361
Speaker 7: can maybe flow a bit. But it's like like when

1490
01:10:34,401 --> 01:10:36,641
Speaker 7: you start talking to me about like the past and

1491
01:10:36,721 --> 01:10:39,041
Speaker 7: stories from the past, is like I don't want to

1492
01:10:39,041 --> 01:10:41,161
Speaker 7: bring them up, Like I don't want to be treading on,

1493
01:10:41,521 --> 01:10:43,481
Speaker 7: like telling stories from the past, like it's a bit

1494
01:10:43,561 --> 01:10:47,481
Speaker 7: if you like, I haven't. And maybe that's why a

1495
01:10:47,521 --> 01:10:51,081
Speaker 7: lot of people back, like from from jail, are like that.

1496
01:10:51,161 --> 01:10:55,001
Speaker 1: It's because they hold onto secrets from from there, so

1497
01:10:55,081 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: they worried about saying the wrong thing and then getting

1498
01:10:57,801 --> 01:11:00,281
Speaker 1: themselves in trouble or getting someone else in.

1499
01:11:00,241 --> 01:11:03,921
Speaker 7: Trouble even worse. So they just hold on to it

1500
01:11:03,961 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 7: and just try to be quite, don't go anywhere.

1501
01:11:06,441 --> 01:11:07,321
Speaker 1: It's like paranoia.

1502
01:11:07,481 --> 01:11:11,721
Speaker 7: But I think I worked on myself enough and now

1503
01:11:11,761 --> 01:11:17,001
Speaker 7: I have more positive things to say, and I don't like,

1504
01:11:17,241 --> 01:11:20,641
Speaker 7: I just won't talk about things that happened in the

1505
01:11:20,641 --> 01:11:24,561
Speaker 7: past because then it just might You don't realize that

1506
01:11:24,641 --> 01:11:25,161
Speaker 7: you might.

1507
01:11:25,121 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 1: Like say something that you didn't mean to say.

1508
01:11:26,881 --> 01:11:31,081
Speaker 7: So then it's like when you go into like when

1509
01:11:31,081 --> 01:11:32,721
Speaker 7: you when you get arrested, you don't go into an

1510
01:11:32,721 --> 01:11:36,081
Speaker 7: interview room. It's not because you're guilty, it's because that

1511
01:11:36,881 --> 01:11:38,521
Speaker 7: you don't know what's going to be said or what's

1512
01:11:38,521 --> 01:11:41,321
Speaker 7: going to miss be misinterpreted. Like there was a case

1513
01:11:41,361 --> 01:11:44,081
Speaker 7: that someone told me before he was in for drugs,

1514
01:11:45,441 --> 01:11:47,521
Speaker 7: and I don't know if you know the old saying

1515
01:11:47,601 --> 01:11:48,001
Speaker 7: it's old.

1516
01:11:48,001 --> 01:11:50,521
Speaker 1: I was just saying, saying, like I'm watching the grassgow,

1517
01:11:50,681 --> 01:11:52,161
Speaker 1: like what are you doing. I'm just watching the paint

1518
01:11:52,201 --> 01:11:53,121
Speaker 1: dry or watching.

1519
01:11:52,841 --> 01:11:57,881
Speaker 2: They took that as as watching watching where he grow,

1520
01:11:58,401 --> 01:12:00,121
Speaker 2: watching the watching ice grow.

1521
01:12:01,401 --> 01:12:04,601
Speaker 7: The bloke was cooking like he was apparently he was

1522
01:12:04,601 --> 01:12:07,521
Speaker 7: cooking eye and I was just saying, like he was

1523
01:12:07,961 --> 01:12:10,201
Speaker 7: watching the ice grow like that was code.

1524
01:12:10,241 --> 01:12:12,521
Speaker 3: That was like he's at all, but it.

1525
01:12:12,481 --> 01:12:14,601
Speaker 1: Wasn't at all. He's like, that's not what happened.

1526
01:12:14,641 --> 01:12:17,241
Speaker 7: But that's why you just got to when you when

1527
01:12:17,281 --> 01:12:21,241
Speaker 7: you're doing when you're doing something bad, like you just

1528
01:12:21,441 --> 01:12:23,561
Speaker 7: like you have to fully watch what you say. So

1529
01:12:23,681 --> 01:12:27,121
Speaker 7: when you when you do something in the past, even

1530
01:12:27,281 --> 01:12:28,641
Speaker 7: like you just got to watch what you say.

1531
01:12:28,721 --> 01:12:31,841
Speaker 1: So I just it's nothing to hide it. It's just

1532
01:12:32,281 --> 01:12:34,241
Speaker 1: you prefer not to not.

1533
01:12:34,241 --> 01:12:36,041
Speaker 7: To talk about it, which is why I think that

1534
01:12:36,081 --> 01:12:39,441
Speaker 7: a lot of people from jail don't want to talk

1535
01:12:39,481 --> 01:12:43,041
Speaker 7: about like they're quiet, they're reserved because they're worried about

1536
01:12:43,161 --> 01:12:43,761
Speaker 7: slipping up.

1537
01:12:44,601 --> 01:12:47,281
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely agree, And I think that that's that's a

1538
01:12:47,321 --> 01:12:49,081
Speaker 2: really good way of putting it, because I think a

1539
01:12:49,081 --> 01:12:52,561
Speaker 2: lot of people don't truly understand why we are the

1540
01:12:52,601 --> 01:12:55,321
Speaker 2: way we are I want to talk about today's business,

1541
01:12:56,441 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 2: the name of the business, where's it gone, what's happening?

1542
01:12:58,801 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: Like, give us the full run down beefit Secrets. That's

1543
01:13:02,801 --> 01:13:05,641
Speaker 1: that's the actual website, beefit Secret stock are you.

1544
01:13:07,041 --> 01:13:10,201
Speaker 7: I just created a portal like it's I'm doing marketing

1545
01:13:10,241 --> 01:13:13,601
Speaker 7: down there. Like I've got this machine where it's a

1546
01:13:13,641 --> 01:13:16,961
Speaker 7: body composition machine, so it takes like tells you.

1547
01:13:17,441 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: You obviously know what it is, like it tells your fat.

1548
01:13:20,201 --> 01:13:23,921
Speaker 7: It even reads your nutrition, your macros, like, it tells

1549
01:13:23,961 --> 01:13:26,561
Speaker 7: you your macro to take down yeah, water and take

1550
01:13:26,641 --> 01:13:30,881
Speaker 7: your muscle massive skeletal muscle. There's so much stuff. So

1551
01:13:30,921 --> 01:13:33,841
Speaker 7: then like I had that down there, just giving people

1552
01:13:33,881 --> 01:13:36,121
Speaker 7: scans and then get them signed into the portal so

1553
01:13:36,161 --> 01:13:38,761
Speaker 7: then I can send them an email to be part

1554
01:13:38,801 --> 01:13:41,321
Speaker 7: of it. And it's crazy that, like I didn't even

1555
01:13:41,321 --> 01:13:43,921
Speaker 7: know how to open a word document when I got

1556
01:13:43,921 --> 01:13:44,441
Speaker 7: out of jail.

1557
01:13:45,121 --> 01:13:46,201
Speaker 1: But that was six months.

1558
01:13:46,041 --> 01:13:49,161
Speaker 2: Ago and you're already actually up to date with portholes

1559
01:13:49,161 --> 01:13:50,001
Speaker 2: and stuff like that and.

1560
01:13:49,961 --> 01:13:50,921
Speaker 1: Doing all right.

1561
01:13:51,281 --> 01:13:55,321
Speaker 7: I'm right, I'm using a word document to write programs

1562
01:13:55,401 --> 01:14:00,641
Speaker 7: and the email them to people and actually getting paid

1563
01:14:00,641 --> 01:14:00,921
Speaker 7: for it.

1564
01:14:01,481 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 3: Wow.

1565
01:14:02,361 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, I'm useless when I comes to the technom

1566
01:14:05,921 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 2: and I can use the social media's but I honestly,

1567
01:14:08,841 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 2: if you said.

1568
01:14:10,521 --> 01:14:12,081
Speaker 3: To me, I can't need you go do a word

1569
01:14:12,121 --> 01:14:14,561
Speaker 3: document this and that, I.

1570
01:14:14,481 --> 01:14:17,961
Speaker 2: Would, Yeah, I would freeze because I go to my

1571
01:14:18,041 --> 01:14:19,481
Speaker 2: kids and go, hey, come help that.

1572
01:14:19,721 --> 01:14:21,961
Speaker 3: For a second, they're like, what do you need that? Like,

1573
01:14:22,361 --> 01:14:23,161
Speaker 3: where do you know this?

1574
01:14:23,641 --> 01:14:25,241
Speaker 2: Oh, that's just what we do, dad, That's what we

1575
01:14:25,241 --> 01:14:26,961
Speaker 2: do at school, you know, because everything's on there.

1576
01:14:27,321 --> 01:14:29,281
Speaker 3: Their laptops at school. You know, they've got to have

1577
01:14:29,521 --> 01:14:34,641
Speaker 3: a laptop in their grades that they're in. And it's

1578
01:14:34,721 --> 01:14:37,401
Speaker 3: kind of handy for me because I can ask them.

1579
01:14:37,521 --> 01:14:40,601
Speaker 3: But I get a bit embarrassed, bro, because I don't know.

1580
01:14:40,921 --> 01:14:44,321
Speaker 2: You know, I haven't and I've never never been in

1581
01:14:44,361 --> 01:14:49,401
Speaker 2: the position to be shown or puts. I'll take the

1582
01:14:49,441 --> 01:14:51,961
Speaker 2: ownership of that. Actually I've never put the effort in

1583
01:14:52,081 --> 01:14:54,601
Speaker 2: to learn. Maybe that's a better way of being honest

1584
01:14:54,641 --> 01:14:55,081
Speaker 2: about it.

1585
01:14:55,041 --> 01:14:55,641
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1586
01:14:55,801 --> 01:14:58,041
Speaker 7: You have to love what you what you're about to learn.

1587
01:14:58,161 --> 01:15:00,681
Speaker 7: Like that's yeah, that's pretty much why I learned it

1588
01:15:00,761 --> 01:15:04,561
Speaker 7: so quick, I feel because like I've done the PT

1589
01:15:04,761 --> 01:15:08,321
Speaker 7: core and every day like I'm like both ears like

1590
01:15:08,761 --> 01:15:13,561
Speaker 7: pointing directly at the educator is top load too, so

1591
01:15:13,761 --> 01:15:19,481
Speaker 7: like he he's he really taught me heaps just about

1592
01:15:20,761 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 7: like I already know how to train people like I've

1593
01:15:23,081 --> 01:15:26,681
Speaker 7: lived at so I knew, like it's progressive training, like

1594
01:15:26,721 --> 01:15:28,561
Speaker 7: you see where they are now and then you just

1595
01:15:28,641 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 7: progress them a little bit.

1596
01:15:29,601 --> 01:15:30,841
Speaker 1: And then you can push them a little bit.

1597
01:15:30,841 --> 01:15:34,561
Speaker 7: There's but then there's things like the way you market yourself,

1598
01:15:34,601 --> 01:15:36,921
Speaker 7: the way you create programs.

1599
01:15:37,281 --> 01:15:42,161
Speaker 1: I still like, I'm still not one hundred percent confident.

1600
01:15:42,481 --> 01:15:45,721
Speaker 1: I'm not saying confident like I'm not the best.

1601
01:15:45,481 --> 01:15:47,281
Speaker 7: On the computer still, but I know how to pull

1602
01:15:47,361 --> 01:15:49,521
Speaker 7: up a word document and I know how to write

1603
01:15:49,521 --> 01:15:51,041
Speaker 7: a program in my head, and I know how to

1604
01:15:51,041 --> 01:15:52,401
Speaker 7: write it in my notes on my phone.

1605
01:15:52,841 --> 01:15:54,881
Speaker 1: So it's just transferring it.

1606
01:15:55,201 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know what I'm going to say, it's

1607
01:15:57,681 --> 01:16:02,641
Speaker 2: actually your your socials are exciting, like they really are.

1608
01:16:02,681 --> 01:16:05,721
Speaker 2: Whoever's doing or if you're doing, you're social.

1609
01:16:05,321 --> 01:16:08,041
Speaker 3: Media stuff mate, far out well done.

1610
01:16:08,361 --> 01:16:10,241
Speaker 1: It is captivating.

1611
01:16:10,961 --> 01:16:12,801
Speaker 3: It's awesome, like it really is.

1612
01:16:12,881 --> 01:16:15,161
Speaker 2: And the stuff that you're putting on there, and to

1613
01:16:15,241 --> 01:16:17,601
Speaker 2: everybody listening, please go over and.

1614
01:16:17,561 --> 01:16:19,361
Speaker 3: Tell them all where where where can they find you

1615
01:16:19,961 --> 01:16:20,321
Speaker 3: or your.

1616
01:16:20,241 --> 01:16:24,801
Speaker 7: Details on Instagram everywhere so b A W L y

1617
01:16:25,041 --> 01:16:28,001
Speaker 7: U P s A N T A valley up Sander

1618
01:16:30,121 --> 01:16:35,601
Speaker 7: Like I'm like, I post a lot of stories the

1619
01:16:35,721 --> 01:16:39,481
Speaker 7: posts not too much but a little bit.

1620
01:16:39,721 --> 01:16:41,601
Speaker 1: I just like posting stories because I like to show

1621
01:16:41,601 --> 01:16:42,881
Speaker 1: what I'm actually doing right now.

1622
01:16:43,321 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 2: Man, what's what's what's your goal? What's your main goal?

1623
01:16:45,761 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 2: And we know that where you are at the moment.

1624
01:16:47,801 --> 01:16:50,121
Speaker 2: Where do you see yourself in twelve months time? Let's

1625
01:16:50,161 --> 01:16:51,961
Speaker 2: just talk about twelve months.

1626
01:16:51,481 --> 01:16:52,641
Speaker 1: In twelve months time.

1627
01:16:53,041 --> 01:16:55,601
Speaker 7: You know what I would love to do if I

1628
01:16:55,641 --> 01:17:00,001
Speaker 7: didn't have it, like a just training proper athletes, is.

1629
01:17:00,041 --> 01:17:04,081
Speaker 1: Have what's it called you work for free?

1630
01:17:05,241 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 3: Like the charity?

1631
01:17:06,921 --> 01:17:12,641
Speaker 7: A charity, I'd love you charity too, but a no,

1632
01:17:12,761 --> 01:17:16,721
Speaker 7: when you work for someone just just for experience, just.

1633
01:17:18,201 --> 01:17:20,201
Speaker 3: Like a like a traineeship sort of thing.

1634
01:17:20,441 --> 01:17:22,321
Speaker 7: Yeah, like a trainee ship. There's another word for I

1635
01:17:22,321 --> 01:17:28,401
Speaker 7: just can't think of it. Just doing that in some

1636
01:17:28,401 --> 01:17:32,161
Speaker 7: sort of organization, like could be a football team and

1637
01:17:33,241 --> 01:17:37,721
Speaker 7: just like learning off how to train teams of athletes,

1638
01:17:37,921 --> 01:17:41,241
Speaker 7: like not just just one athlete, Like it's in ins

1639
01:17:41,281 --> 01:17:47,201
Speaker 7: of athletes. And then one day it's like just I'd

1640
01:17:47,201 --> 01:17:49,201
Speaker 7: love to just keep training athletes. I love to own

1641
01:17:49,241 --> 01:17:51,281
Speaker 7: my own space and then athletes come to me and

1642
01:17:51,281 --> 01:17:53,241
Speaker 7: then I'll just get a fit and just writing programs

1643
01:17:53,281 --> 01:17:54,481
Speaker 7: and stuff like that.

1644
01:17:56,641 --> 01:17:58,801
Speaker 1: But that's like just that's just in my head at

1645
01:17:58,801 --> 01:17:59,721
Speaker 1: the moment right now.

1646
01:17:59,761 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 7: Twelve months time, just to be established in the fitness

1647
01:18:03,721 --> 01:18:08,361
Speaker 7: industry and maybe you have a position where I'm helping

1648
01:18:08,401 --> 01:18:11,361
Speaker 7: out in a massive organization.

1649
01:18:12,561 --> 01:18:14,281
Speaker 2: Can I ask you would you come back on in

1650
01:18:14,281 --> 01:18:18,201
Speaker 2: twelve months time. Yeah, I'd love to have you back

1651
01:18:18,241 --> 01:18:21,481
Speaker 2: at twelve months time and just to just to just

1652
01:18:21,481 --> 01:18:23,521
Speaker 2: to see where you're at, brother, because you know, like

1653
01:18:23,601 --> 01:18:29,081
Speaker 2: I'm always inspired by people, but some people, truly, you know,

1654
01:18:29,121 --> 01:18:32,561
Speaker 2: there's there's just something about them, and there's something about you,

1655
01:18:32,561 --> 01:18:35,361
Speaker 2: you know, like a man that's done and you've done

1656
01:18:35,401 --> 01:18:35,921
Speaker 2: hard time.

1657
01:18:36,361 --> 01:18:38,521
Speaker 3: There's no two ways about it, you know, you really have.

1658
01:18:40,481 --> 01:18:43,281
Speaker 2: And it's a lonely walk sometimes to come out and

1659
01:18:43,321 --> 01:18:46,681
Speaker 2: turn your back on that life, especially when if you

1660
01:18:46,801 --> 01:18:48,881
Speaker 2: hold that little bit of you know, you walk into

1661
01:18:48,921 --> 01:18:51,161
Speaker 2: a yard the boys know, you get a bit of respect,

1662
01:18:51,201 --> 01:18:53,521
Speaker 2: you know, like it's a nice feeling and you come

1663
01:18:53,561 --> 01:18:55,921
Speaker 2: back into the reality of the world and as they say,

1664
01:18:56,041 --> 01:18:57,681
Speaker 2: just another bear bum in the shower. You know, no

1665
01:18:57,721 --> 01:18:59,921
Speaker 2: one really cares who you are, where you've been, or

1666
01:18:59,921 --> 01:19:02,361
Speaker 2: what tatoos you've got, or you just you just Joe

1667
01:19:02,361 --> 01:19:04,681
Speaker 2: blow like for you.

1668
01:19:03,961 --> 01:19:06,921
Speaker 7: You know, people get their back up about it and

1669
01:19:06,921 --> 01:19:08,841
Speaker 7: then they give me defensive and like.

1670
01:19:09,041 --> 01:19:10,641
Speaker 1: Exactly do you know who I am?

1671
01:19:10,761 --> 01:19:13,521
Speaker 7: Like it's in the perspected like and you want to

1672
01:19:13,521 --> 01:19:16,401
Speaker 7: speak to me like that, But it's like people don't

1673
01:19:16,441 --> 01:19:17,001
Speaker 7: know who you are.

1674
01:19:17,561 --> 01:19:20,881
Speaker 2: That's right, And the reality is people are getting to

1675
01:19:21,001 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 2: know who you are through your actions in a really, really.

1676
01:19:24,601 --> 01:19:27,001
Speaker 3: Great way and that's inspiring to me.

1677
01:19:27,121 --> 01:19:29,561
Speaker 2: Bro And I would love to have you back in

1678
01:19:29,561 --> 01:19:33,161
Speaker 2: twelve months time and just rehash and and see where

1679
01:19:33,201 --> 01:19:35,401
Speaker 2: you're at and see how the business is going, and

1680
01:19:35,681 --> 01:19:38,041
Speaker 2: if we can do anything in a way to help

1681
01:19:38,121 --> 01:19:39,041
Speaker 2: you and your growth.

1682
01:19:39,841 --> 01:19:41,681
Speaker 3: I would really be honest if you're allowed of that.

1683
01:19:42,241 --> 01:19:45,481
Speaker 7: It's it's it's a promise to come back. It's a

1684
01:19:45,561 --> 01:19:48,641
Speaker 7: challenge to now get to where I just told you

1685
01:19:48,681 --> 01:19:49,361
Speaker 7: where I wanted to be.

1686
01:19:49,361 --> 01:19:51,121
Speaker 3: Beautiful, beautiful, I love it.

1687
01:19:51,521 --> 01:19:54,561
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Bennie, I'm gonna I'm going to ask you this,

1688
01:19:54,681 --> 01:19:57,081
Speaker 2: if you were to give information, not to give information,

1689
01:19:57,201 --> 01:19:57,681
Speaker 2: Listen to me.

1690
01:19:57,721 --> 01:20:01,601
Speaker 3: If you're about to give someone some positive now that

1691
01:20:01,681 --> 01:20:02,601
Speaker 3: sounded terrible.

1692
01:20:04,001 --> 01:20:06,721
Speaker 2: We don't give information full stop, but at the end

1693
01:20:06,761 --> 01:20:09,761
Speaker 2: of the day, we love to give something back. If

1694
01:20:09,801 --> 01:20:12,801
Speaker 2: someone was in your position that's listening to this right now,

1695
01:20:13,641 --> 01:20:17,321
Speaker 2: and we're struggling and looking for advice, not information, looking

1696
01:20:17,321 --> 01:20:20,361
Speaker 2: for advice, what would you what would you say?

1697
01:20:20,401 --> 01:20:23,201
Speaker 3: What would Ben say right now to that person?

1698
01:20:24,001 --> 01:20:30,001
Speaker 7: Find a purpose, set a goal, take smart steps to

1699
01:20:30,081 --> 01:20:32,441
Speaker 7: get to the goal. When I say find a purpose,

1700
01:20:32,481 --> 01:20:34,081
Speaker 7: a lot of people don't know what I mean by that.

1701
01:20:34,161 --> 01:20:37,121
Speaker 7: It's find a reason why you wake up in the morning.

1702
01:20:38,961 --> 01:20:40,641
Speaker 7: It's like, what do you want out of your life?

1703
01:20:40,681 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 7: And you usually people like, I don't know. I'm getting confused.

1704
01:20:43,841 --> 01:20:45,121
Speaker 7: I don't know what I want out of my life.

1705
01:20:45,961 --> 01:20:47,521
Speaker 1: What are you? What are you good at? Or who

1706
01:20:47,521 --> 01:20:48,041
Speaker 1: do you want to be?

1707
01:20:48,201 --> 01:20:52,361
Speaker 7: It's like you think, you think, oh, I want to

1708
01:20:52,401 --> 01:20:54,241
Speaker 7: be that person, but then I can't be that person.

1709
01:20:54,321 --> 01:20:56,601
Speaker 1: But why not? Why can't you be that person?

1710
01:20:57,321 --> 01:21:00,281
Speaker 7: It's like, yeah, you can't be that person tomorrow, but

1711
01:21:00,521 --> 01:21:02,721
Speaker 7: in five or ten years late, like five or ten

1712
01:21:02,801 --> 01:21:05,161
Speaker 7: years from now, if you keep taking active steps.

1713
01:21:04,881 --> 01:21:06,521
Speaker 1: To what was that, you can be that person.

1714
01:21:07,161 --> 01:21:12,281
Speaker 3: Hard work, yeah, hard work, love it. Thank you very much.

1715
01:21:12,401 --> 01:21:15,201
Speaker 2: There you have a guys, a fantastic story of redemption

1716
01:21:15,321 --> 01:21:17,201
Speaker 2: from a wonderful man. And if you're in the Penrith

1717
01:21:17,241 --> 01:21:20,601
Speaker 2: there or the western suburbs, make sure you're contacting. These

1718
01:21:20,601 --> 01:21:23,121
Speaker 2: details are all there and we will inspire to put

1719
01:21:23,201 --> 01:21:25,561
Speaker 2: up a little bit of a post and then helping them.

1720
01:21:28,081 --> 01:21:30,281
Speaker 4: For the record, I don't try and make you uncomfortable

1721
01:21:31,361 --> 01:21:33,521
Speaker 4: for the record. You ain't trying to grow down the stand.

1722
01:21:33,321 --> 01:21:36,521
Speaker 5: For your for the record, laugh on me going hard

1723
01:21:36,561 --> 01:21:38,601
Speaker 5: the way for the record.

1724
01:21:38,721 --> 01:21:41,481
Speaker 4: Ain't trying to link, no, trying to waste for the.

1725
01:21:41,481 --> 01:21:48,401
Speaker 6: Record, for the record, for the record, for the reading,

1726
01:21:49,401 --> 01:21:51,881
Speaker 6: for the record, for the REGD