WEBVTT - Let's Get Political, Political... With Joe Hildebrand 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:03.120 Today we're recording on Gadigul country and. 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:05.760 We'd like to pay our respects to the traditional custodians 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:09.920 of the Gaticol people. I know, you've got to dig this. 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:16.439 It's like I've been given like an extra sprinkle of something. 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:18.800 You've got layers, Yeah, I've got layers. 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:22.759 I was just thinking, I'm like, we're just such beautiful storytellers. 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:26.680 You're making a lot of sense to that girl. No, 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:27.760 I'm done. 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.880 I've been too honest to go. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:34.199 So, now that the federal election is over and the 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.880 Liberals are left licking their wounds, we thought it would 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:39.879 be a good idea to start talking about politics because 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:44.159 as mob, we know we are inherently political. Unfortunately, what 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:44.760 does that mean? 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:45.640 Tell me what that means? 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.520 Well, to me, that means that a lot of politics 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.960 are thrust upon our lives. Yeah, automatically. Okay, you know 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.320 what I mean. As a group of people, so unfortunate. 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:58.000 That's why I say unfortunately, because we didn't choose this path. 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:00.760 We didn't choose this life. But as you know, Brook, 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.440 a lot of our mob don't understand politics, haven't had 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:09.839 the education around politics. And also it inherently also, isn't 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.800 that important to us because it's not a part of 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:18.839 our community in terms of how we our community govern Yes, 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:21.280 of course, so we thought we would get an expert in. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:24.800 Where is he? 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.520 No, today we have Joe Hildebrand. 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:33.240 Feel so cool all of a sudden, you guys, no, 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:37.680 thanks so much for coming. It's absolute pleasure. 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.520 And taking the time out because you're a busy, busy man. 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.280 Yeah, we are busy, but it's good to be busy. 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.600 It's better to be busy than to be dead in 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.440 this game. They're the only two alternatives. 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:49.760 Well, if you did something exciting just before the election, 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.680 you had the PM on your pody, so you're one 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:54.600 of the only pods that he jumped on. You know. 0:01:54.640 --> 0:02:00.640 It was Abby Chatfield and tell me how that come about? 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.760 And I was the chat Yeah I've heard. I heard 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.040 you have a long existing relationship with the panda. 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.679 Yeah, yeah, I look I like Albow. We go back 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:14.799 a very long way. I was pretty close to Kevin Rudd. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:16.560 You were probably weren't born when he was. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.000 Prime Minister, but I do remember the apology. 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:23.160 Yeah, he gave the apology and that was a huge 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:28.760 moment obviously for first Australians, and it was hopefully going 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.079 to be the kind of first step in this sort 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:34.640 of ongoing journey. I hate using the word journey but 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:39.680 to reconcilia. But it just keeps coming out resistion, closing 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:41.880 the gap, and that mark was sort of closing the 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:45.440 gap thing, and sadly that gap hasn't closed. But and 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.280 then the Labor Party just destroyed itself and I basically 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.960 got PTSD and it's like, what are you doing? Yeah? 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.560 And Albow was one of those people who was always 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.640 throughout that period where people were chopping and changing and 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.639 loyalties were being tested and people were swapping sides and 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:02.799 all the factions were all messed up, and I could 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.440 go into all that stuff and bore everyone to death, 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:09.120 but Albo stayed pretty true. And I just remember thinking, 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:13.680 this is someone who has actually behaved with integrity and 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:15.920 decency as much as anyone does in politics, like no 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.880 one is, no one has purre. But he's a decent blow. 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:24.040 It's down to earth, and I sort of just always 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.840 backed him, and I backed him as a as a leadership, 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.120 as a leader for the Labor Party when no one 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.040 else was like everyone else, there was no way that 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.080 that's ever going to happen. Bill Shorten's going to come 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:38.720 and he's going to win in twenty nineteen, and he 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:40.120 almost won in twenty sixteen. 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:41.400 He did Yeah, I do right, and. 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:46.600 Then sort of miracle happened and Albo became leader and 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:48.360 then he became PM, and then he was going to 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:50.280 lose the last election. Everyone said. 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.120 And so maybe as a part of your job title, 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:53.760 it's psychic. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.240 Maybe maybe it's psychic, that's right. Maybe maybe I'm manifested. 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.800 Maybe I'm the albow whisper. That's why I just manifest 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.280 although that's my superpower. It's like, what can you do 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.320 a superman? I can fly and I'm in vulnerable. What 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.360 can you do? Joe? I can manifest elbow? 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:07.240 So who's the next per? 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.240 But yeah, so I got in on the ground floor 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.200 with that guy. So we are pretty close and I 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.960 think we have a you know, we're mates. And so yeah, 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:19.520 I said, do you want to come on the podcast? 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.719 He said yep, And then we wanted him actually on 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:23.440 our podcast. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.719 You should have let me know, grease the wheels for 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:28.400 it totally. 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.120 Look, I think that you know, he was trying to 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.159 keep a low profile, I think, and he only got 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.320 on you know, he went to places where he trusted people, 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:38.240 So he doesn't know us. 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.039 I'm sure he would know you and trust you and 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:42.960 love you very very much. I thought I was from 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:44.640 while I thought it was the only podcast he hadn't 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.480 been on because he was popping up all over the place. 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:48.760 But they're back in. What do you think of the 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:49.640 Labor victory? 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:54.279 I look, obviously I'm pretty biased, but I think it 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:55.640 was a great figure. I was one of those people 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.640 who said it's going to be a Labor majority. All 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.680 these people were saying, oh, you know, it's fifty three 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:02.600 forty seven and it's going to be a hung parliament. 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.760 It's like, no, fifty to fifty is a hung PA, 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.760 you know what I mean. Like, all these polls were 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:14.760 showing really big swings to the Labor Party. Normally the 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.440 government gets swings against it the second time it goes up, 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:19.479 and it was getting swings in the other direction. And 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.039 I think people just weren't believing what they were seeing because, 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.440 you know, because of what had happened, for example, in 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.640 twenty nineteen, when everyone thought Labor was going to win 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:31.240 even though the situation was completely different, and so I 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.560 was very confident Elbow I think it's fair to say 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:37.360 it was pretty confident. Yeah, and again I was looking 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.039 at the numbers and it's like, well, this matches up 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:42.360 exactly with what I'm hearing. But everyone's sort of talking 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:45.400 about something, So I thought it was But having said that, 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:49.160 the result exceeded everyone's expectation. 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.120 Yeah, because Joe manifested. 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:55.920 Yeah, I just told them by the way way Yeah, 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.800 don't even buy the campaign's kick back at Kirabilli House. 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:02.880 I love that. 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.160 I want to know, like, what is that world? Like? 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.960 Like I guess, like I, you know, our experience with 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:13.400 politics is in I don't know what's your experience experience 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:13.880 with politics. 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.120 I honestly would say that for many years I put 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.400 politics to the side. I say that our community is 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.520 inherently political, but that was something that actually made me 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.599 feel like I didn't want to know much because it 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.040 all seemed like our community was used as a football 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:29.760 a lot of the time, and especially even in this 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:34.120 current political landscape, I feel like, you know, the welcome 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:35.920 to country not sitting in front of the flags. These 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.440 divisive views were really put against our community. So for me, 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:43.400 for many many years, I felt like I the more 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:46.600 I knew, the more I was concerned, and so I 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.680 actually stayed away from understanding and I felt like I 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:53.120 actually didn't want to dive into, you know, the nitty 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:54.039 gritty of politics. 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:55.839 Do you think a lot of people do that because 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.840 it seems like it's a bit too like I guess 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:04.440 like information overload, over stimulated by all the campaigns, Like 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:05.120 you don't know. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.880 Well, yeah, I think, do you think? I think maybe 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:12.640 in our community there there's not that it might happen 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.000 in other households and other parts of the Australian community 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:18.800 and family groups, but for us, there's not to sit 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.640 down and let's talk about politics conversation a lot of 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.320 the time. I don't know if that ever happened in 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.119 your life, but for me, there was never a moment 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:31.240 where my parents or my family seemed invested. And even 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:35.320 around the Voice referendum, I felt like, yeah, there was 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.560 a spotlight on our community, but there were so many 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.920 corners of our community that didn't want a part of it. 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.520 So I think that, like there's also a distrust with 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.520 the government, there is a disconnection there. Look at the 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.520 you know, systems that are in place that have negatively 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.760 affected our community. It's about the institution yeah, there's there's 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.400 not a lot of trust I think, so there's definitely 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:57.640 been a disconnection from our community. But I want our 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.680 community to know more. And I'm actually really couraged by 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.840 the stats that I saw with this election and how 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.240 many people came out to vote. I think that it 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.160 shows even though I had this view that, oh, our 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.920 country is quite chill around politics, people still and you know, 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:17.760 maybe the voice referendum made me a little concerned about 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:22.000 what this political outcome would be. But I think the 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.280 stats of people getting out there and actually having a 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.360 say and using their vote has been encouraging for me 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.320 to know more. And that's one of the reasons I 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.520 suggested doing an episode like this, because I'm like, Okay, 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:36.080 if the masses are interested, like, I need to now 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.120 figure out where I stand in politics. So you're the man, 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:40.640 You're the man. 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.720 Well, I think what you were saying before and at 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:46.439 the top of the show, I think was really interesting 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:50.760 with this idea that in black communities, people feel like 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.520 politics isn't something they're involved with, it's something that happens 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.360 to them. It's something that comes down from them on them, 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.880 from above and often has a kind of crushing effect 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.439 and I think that has been obviously, I mean, that's 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:06.200 obviously been a huge problem throughout our history, but it's 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:09.960 also I think still kind of a problem now. And 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.280 I think it's why we saw things like you know, 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:16.320 the Voice result that we did, where there's not that 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:22.320 I suppose full engagement with how politics and politicking works 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.760 and how the machinery of politics were and politics isn't 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:26.840 kind of like it's not like a sort of matrix 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.680 that you get into. It's something, it's all around, it's everything, right, 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.840 Like everything is politics. So in terms of you know, 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:34.960 when you're talking about trying to win a referendum, I 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.720 was obviously supported the the Yes campaign, but so quickly 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.120 I just saw the whole thing falling apart. I thought 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.680 I saw it just and it was and I was 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:45.640 going nuts. I mean, we talk about kind of I'll 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:47.400 be a bit camp, but we talk about you know, 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.800 you know, I'm like texting people technic pms and we've 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.160 got to do something about this is going off the rails. 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:57.000 It's terrible, and they were trying everything, and of course, 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.560 because it's politics, right, one of the the things that 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:02.199 the government didn't want to do is kind of look 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.600 like it was owning it too much. Labor didn't Elbow 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.520 didn't want it to say, this is want it to 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.480 be my voice, the BlimE minister's voice or Labour's voice. 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.640 That was how the coalition, that was how the opposition 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:14.240 was trying to cast it. This is the politicians, this 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.199 is Labour's voice. You're saying, no, no, no, this is this 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:22.000 is what you know, the Ularu gathering at Uluru wanted, 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.480 and you know this is this is for Indigenous people, 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:27.880 this is for you know, First Nations people. But then 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:31.840 there was kind of a lack of clarity among First 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.240 Nations people. So you know, black leaders, Indigenous leaders are 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.640 sort of fighting amongst themselves or contradicting each other about 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.160 what it should look like, that's not and that just 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:41.720 keeps going on. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.520 That's right, and so that's what people are seeing. 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.040 So people, so people are seeing. So you've got sixty 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:48.760 percent of Australians who think, oh yeah, that sounds like 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:50.480 a pretty good idea, and then they sort of see 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.400 this whole thing which I think is born of you know, 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.440 I was speaking to someone in the campaign about you know, 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.640 I said, you know, you can't have sort of people 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.360 I really really love and back, like you know, Noel 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.800 Pearson is just hero of mine. Even had people like 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.600 Marshall Langton, who's a bit more sort of fiery and yeah, 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:12.439 but again someone I respect enormously, but coming out and 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:13.920 saying things like oh well, if you don't vote for it, 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:15.960 you're not going to get any more welcomes to country, 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.920 or you know, this is being driven by racism. Any 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.200 people who oppose it are racist. Up, I'm seeing all 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.640 this stuff. This is this is poison. This is toxic 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:26.800 because you've just told anyone who's got misgivings about it 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:30.320 that they're either racist or that they're so stupid or gullible. 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:34.760 That's right, And so people feel. 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.920 Like that's right. And again this might be And I 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.000 was speaking to people of campaigns and what are these 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.840 guys doing and they said, well, they're not campaigners of course, 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:47.000 you know, then they're not politicians. So they're going off script. 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.560 And again, so this is what happens when you don't 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.720 know politics, or you don't know sort of how politics work, 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:57.560 all the way messages are received by the community. Then 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:01.400 you're going to sort of sleep walk off a cliff 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:04.920 on an issue that you know, something that could have 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:09.080 been a real game changer. So I guess that's so 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:12.040 people say I don't know much about politics or whatever 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.120 you do, you just don't kind of know, you know, 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.520 like everything you do is political, everything that affects you. 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.439 You know, why didn't the voice get up? You can 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.680 call it politics, you could just call it real real 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:27.240 life Australians who just weren't connecting with it. There wasn't 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.120 a people didn't feel a connection or a relationship with 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:34.800 what they were being offered. So if you call that politics, 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:36.920 so I guess I would just say, don't feel like 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:40.000 politics is just something that happens to Politics is something 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.600 you're doing all the time. It's not some weird esoteric 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.600 thing that all these smart people are doing in kind of. 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.680 It's a big boardroom and they're all, this is something 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:55.440 that we saw your tiktoket. Yet, No, it's not that chart. 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:57.319 It's deeper and it's a bit more. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:12:59.480 That's right down. 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:01.719 Yeah, there's levels and layers to it. 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:03.880 I'm assuming, Yeah, yeah, that's right. And so you know, 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:05.839 like even when the PM comes on on podcast, we 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.439 just sort of we're not talking about you know, how 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.800 do you get a piece of legislation through the Senate. So, 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.520 so you know, what's it like, you know, how do 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.280 you deal with all the shit that you cop on 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.959 social media? Or how do you that's right? Or what 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.560 is you know, someone says, oh, the Russians are going 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:27.520 to use Indonesia as an air base, right on Australia's 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.760 dorscept how do you respond, Like, how do you respond 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.880 to information like that? Yeah, and a lot of a 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:34.640 lot of the way you do that is as a 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.640 human being and what your instincts are and what you 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:39.960 kind of feel is right and what you feel like 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.559 the first thing to do is so again, politics is personal, 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.000 The personal is political. Everything it's all around us. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:52.800 Were you surprised by any of the results, Like a 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.200 lot of people in the community were quite surprised about 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:55.640 the Greens. 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:56.000 Yeah. 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:01.200 You know, there's been such a massive social campaign around 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.880 Adam and the Greens and there was a lot of 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:09.760 I suppose new voices, new media encouraging the Greens and 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:11.400 what they were standing for. 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:17.000 But then me and Abby Chatfield, yeah, podcast so it's 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:22.120 it's interesting to see the responses to the Greens losing 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:22.600 their seat. 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:23.760 Did you see that happening? 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.400 I knew they were going to lose some of their seats, 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.720 or at least one Brisbane was always in trouble. And 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:34.040 then that's obviously in Brisbane, and then another Brisbane seat 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:37.160 Griffith where Max Chandler Maytha the Housing very high profile 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:43.120 Housing spokesman. Is Labor really wanted to go after that? 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.320 That was any talk about politics being personal. That was 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.640 Kevin Rudd's old seat, and that wasn't a seat that 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:50.800 both Labor and the Greens were going for and the 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.040 Greens weren't. That was a Labor seat that the Greens 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.960 took off them, which Labor was not expecting to lose 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.160 in twenty twenty two. So it's like that sort of 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:03.320 the seq to the Hollywood action blockbuster. You know, they're 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:08.840 back at this time. So so you know, people in 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:13.440 Labor really, you know, instinctively personally. You know, they could 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:15.840 have got seats from anywhere else, and they did, but 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.920 they really wanted to get that one back because it 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:22.000 felt like a kind of personal blow to to Labor's 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.960 you know, kind of heartland, a former prime minister's seat. 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:29.520 So again they were very they were targeting that very 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.520 heavily and happy to get it. I don't think anyone 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:35.240 thought that Adam bat would lose his seat in Melbourne, 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.240 and again Labor didn't put much money into that seat, 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.600 but it ended up he ended up losing really badly, 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.080 like the actual overall vote in the country didn't do 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:46.680 too badly. It's about the same. 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.000 Yeah, I think they're trying to explain that as well. 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.400 That's right, so and they're getting like the you we 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.920 were talking before about. You know, young people overwhelmingly vote 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.160 for the Greens, right, But the problem is that young 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.640 people are not all living. There's not one seat which 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.600 is just like like one young people. They're spread out everywhere. 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.600 So you can get twelve thirteen percent of the vote, 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.960 but unless you can get enough to knock out. So 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:10.520 all you have to do if you're a Greens trying 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.520 to win a seat, you just have to knock out 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.320 You just have to knock out Labbor. What you really 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:16.760 want to do is knock out Labor because you're going 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.320 to get more of their preferences preference, So don't you 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:23.160 don't want to run first or you can't, but you 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.560 just want to run second. You can just get second 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:27.920 and knock out Labor and not LIB. So if you 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.360 knock out the LIB they're probably going to go to 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:32.720 Labor before they go to Europe. If you can knock 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.200 out Labor, you get all their preference. And so this 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.200 is why I've always said the Greens are not really 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:44.080 Labour's friend. They actually the Greens do best by eating 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.840 away at Labour's votes and in seats in Lower House 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:50.880 seats by trying to relegate Labor to third so they 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:52.200 can steal all their preferences. 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.920 That's a great explanation. It makes so much more sense 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.600 to in my head. I'm like, yeah, totally. 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:01.160 I actually tried to explain to my partner who has 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.040 just become an Australian citizen. Yeah, hasn't done the test, 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:05.960 has done the test, but has done the ceremony and 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.160 then we'll vote next to you. But I was trying 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.560 to explain this and I've done such a terrible job 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.480 your life because he looked so confused. He was like 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:15.240 mm hm okay, we're going to move on from this. 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:16.240 Ye, it is. 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.480 Well the preference is like, what do you mean. I'm like, well, 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.960 you know the one to six, so think. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:24.600 About think about it. Yeah, because a lot of people 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.240 from especially like Australia is really really rare and it's 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.040 got compulsory voting. That's right, and that's a really really 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.520 good thing. Right, So people say, oh, we shouldn't have it, 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:33.800 you know, should you should have the right not to 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.000 vote whatever. I don't care. You don't like you say 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:38.880 you don't. You don't have the right not to be governed. 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.520 You don't have the right not for politics to not 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:43.560 happen to you. Sorry, no, I don't want to pay 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.320 my taxes because I'm not into politics, or I don't vote. 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:48.760 You don't have that right, so you might as well 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:49.199 expect it. 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.680 And it means that if you don't vote, you get fined. 0:17:52.960 --> 0:18:00.800 If they find it. Only just went up to fifty Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:03.520 I think when I was in my early twenties, we 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:08.159 had an election and I didn't vote because I just 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:10.400 un something and I was like. 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.240 I don't know, remember all those local government elections you 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.960 voted in? No, Well, you know what, did they ever 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:18.479 find it? They never find it? 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.040 My family. This is the first year that I encouraged 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.000 my family to vote. Like yeah, So that's how I 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.040 sort of that triggered for me was, oh, I'm actually 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:26.359 being a little bit more. 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.439 You know, you're a pretical animal. 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:31.920 So I messaged my brothers on the day, my dad 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:33.520 and everyone, and they all went and voted, and I 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.720 think that's maybe possibly the first time. 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:39.000 That's why Labour one, you know what, it is his 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:40.359 victory to you and. 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:42.800 I did my part. 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.359 But yeah, the good but the good thing about Campaulcity 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:47.879 is it means that you don't have to rely on 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.680 what's called getting out the vote. So it means it's 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:54.920 something like Donald Trump can't happen in Australia because if 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:56.600 you don't really care much one way or not that 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.240 about Donald Trump, yeah, you just sit at home. You 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.840 just don't come out to vote. And in an American election, 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:05.600 maybe only fifty to sixty seventy percent of people might 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:07.919 actually vote, so about a third might just stay home, 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.720 whereas in Australia, all those people have to come out 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.400 and vote. So if they're not into so being extreme 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.719 and making people excited or angry or scared about an 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:21.600 issue like in Americas, always abortion and it's always gun, right, 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.800 it's right. No one cares about that here, No one's 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.600 voting on that stuff. Yeah, because it's all really boring 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:29.240 bread and butter. It's like it's whether you get a 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:31.800 one hundred and fifty dollars rebate on your power bill. Know, 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:34.840 but in America they do that because those are the 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:36.920