WEBVTT - #2073 Reading the Room -Bobby Cappuccio 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.800 I get a groovers. It's Harps and Bobby and Tiffany 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:05.720 and Cook. It's the U Project. We're sliding in towards Christmas, 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.200 as we do at the end of every year. Surprisingly, 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.480 Christmas comes at the end of the year. Every year. 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.239 It's a pattern. I don't know if anyone else has 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:17.920 picked it up. I've noticed it. Look, this may not 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:21.880 be groundbreaking for you, but and often often followed by 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:26.280 New Year, so you're welcome. Call it science Hi, tiv 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:27.640 high Harps. 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:29.720 I find it very weird because it's like, oh, it's 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.000 December the first, It's Christmas next week. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:38.680 Yeah, It's like it is it is avalanching down on 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.800 top of our little heads. And that's okay. But this 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:43.360 is the time of the year when everyone goes, I 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.240 don't know where the time's gone. Oh my god, where 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:50.239 did the year go? Everyone says that every year everyone 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.159 is surprised by how quickly the year went. But in 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.680 the middle of the year sometimes it's like, oh my god, 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.360 this is a fucking saga. It's like, and then at 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:01.560 the end of the year, I can't even just just 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.080 like a blink, it just went Hi, Robert, how are you. 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:10.039 I'm doing well? Doing well. Yeah, I'm surprised that how 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.000 consistent we have been with the whole Christmas New Year's 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.959 thing right at the end of the year. Every year 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.720 we've been great with it. We haven't believed where the 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:20.320 time's gone. 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.920 Yeah, we haven't missed one. And I don't know too millennia. 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:28.480 I actually wonder when that's not that's that's not actually true. 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:33.080 When did When did Christmas as a kind of a 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:38.000 social I'm going to say social experiment, that a social thing. Tip. 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.120 Can you figure that out? When did we start celebrating 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.479 Christmas in Western culture? 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:44.839 Bobby? 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.360 What's your what's your guess? When did we start doing 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:52.800 Christmas and presents? And I know it's become very commercialized 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.080 over the last one hundred years, but when do you 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:59.720 think that we started doing, Hey, merry Christmas. When do 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:00.720 we got doing that? 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.520 Well, I don't know when we started doing Merry Christmas, 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.760 but I think we started celebrating Christmas maybe sometime around 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:11.080 I would guess the Medieval age, right around there. I 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.360 know we had a we had a whole sermon in 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:19.720 our church many many years ago against Christmas trees. Apparently 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:24.200 Christmas trees were originally this pagan ritual that was adapted 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:28.079 in and you know, the pastor was kind of like, yeah, 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.400 just well, very keen on Christmas trees. I love a 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:32.280 Christmas tree. 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.720 And do you also know that Santa is an anagram 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:41.040 of Sitan? Have you ever thought about that? What do 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.119 you now? What are you going on about? Now you've 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.640 taken it too far? Well, Santa? So you know what 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:47.839 an anagram is, right? 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:49.880 Well, yeah, I know what an anagram is. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.440 Yes, so Santa is the same letters as Syitan and 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:54.639 the same number of letters. 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:58.720 I ever thought about it be purely coincidental? 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.800 Well it could, or it could be God telling us 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:03.840 something Robert. 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:05.399 Like sounds to clause isn't real? 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.160 Yeah, he knows, Ti, what have you got for us? 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.720 We know that Chatters likes to carry on a bit 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:12.040 to me. 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:16.920 Come on, Chatters, keep it brief. Just go hey, chatty, Kathy, 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:18.600 keep it fucking brief. 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:23.040 In Western Christian culture, Christmas as a formal celebration shows 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.760 up in the fourth century. Three point thirty six CE 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.720 is the earliest clear record of Christmas on December twenty fifth, 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:30.680 appearing in Rome. 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:32.040 Wow. 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.600 By the late three hundreds, the dates spread across Western 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:37.640 Roman Empire like a hymn with legs. 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:42.120 Is that what it says? Yes, Oh my god, Oh 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.360 my god, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. Oh well, there you 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:48.200 have it, everybody, the history of Christmas that you didn't need. 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:48.960 You're welcome. 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:51.840 I could have been more wrong. I missed it by 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:57.000 like a millennia. But yeah, so sad to clause it's ideolatry. 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:58.600 Don't do it, boys and girls. 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:04.000 Yeah, that's the that's to take home message. Listen to 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:08.600 us fucking raining on Christmas, you know. But it is, 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.360 like you think about from a sociological and psychological point 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:16.560 of view, Christmas is a really interesting time because so 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:21.160 many people fucking hate it, and not for any religious 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:25.839 reason necessarily, but because so many like it represents to 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:30.120 some people like times that aren't great, or it reminds 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.000 them that their family is not here anymore, or they're 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.160 not with their family, or that they're alone, or that 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.680 nobody cares about them or what it fill in the blank. 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:44.720 It's like it's such a dichotomy of experiences ranging from 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.640 complete jubilation and joy and present opening and kids riding 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:53.920 new bikes and all the fucking Walt Disney stuff through 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.080 to the other end of the scale where people just 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.360 it's almost like the worst day of the year because 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.800 it just you know, reminds them of what they don't 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.400 have or where they where they're not But. 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:10.760 Well, I blame those Hallmark films. Yes, those are very 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.640 hard to watch. Other than that, I love Christmas. 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:17.000 A little bit ambivalent. I don't. I definitely don't hate it, 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.800 of course, but to me it's like, oh, it's a 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.520 Thursday or whatever it is. What day is it this year? 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:27.320 By the way, Thursday Thursday? Yeah, yeah, I always get 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.240 I always send out a thing on Christmas to people, gone, 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.240 Happy Christmas. Hope you have a great day. If you're 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.920 not a fan of Christmas, you know, have a great 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.680 fucking Thursday. And I'll see it tomorrow on Friday. You know, 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.039 it is the psychology of it is interesting. 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:44.520 What do you love about it? 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:45.760 What do you love about it? 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:50.760 Well, over here in the Northern Hemisphere it's bitterly cold, 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:56.680 it's all snowy and gray and just drinking hot beverages, 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.360 and you know, it's a time to take a break 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.880 and pause and reflect and spend time with people you 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:07.360 love and really watch films that you don't need to watch. 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.720 You've seen them like ten times. You know how it's 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.680 going to end, but you've got them playing in the background. 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.800 You know you could another year to cry in front 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:20.960 of love. Actually again, that's why I died love scene 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:25.800 that people are ashamed of me when I watch that film, 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:29.680 and I feel a lot of internal shame as well, 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:33.200 and right for so. But I just I love, I 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.719 just love. I just love the holidays. I love the 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:37.919 lead up to the holidays. 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.919 Well, good for you, dude, and you should. You should 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.719 love it, you should enjoy it. It will not say 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:48.120 everybody should probably stop saying should Craig? Okay, well done, 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.600 not to self. I just reprimanded thing. So I've been 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:52.480 doing this whole thing. 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:56.720 I've tried it twice now with Scrooge, where looking at 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:01.440 Scrooge from a perspective of well being and someone who 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:05.120 lacked well being rather than being this mean, cromogeneous guy. 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.159 I will say right now, nobody likes that story. I 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.480 have tried it in front of a small group at 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:15.120 a retreat and a large audience. They both looked at 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.840 me like did this guy forget to pay his brain 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.960 bill this month? Like some things like it's just I'm 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.800 just looking at the bewildered faces, going wow, I've never 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:28.000 had a story just like fourth this flat in my life. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.760 So I was like, I'm gonna try that again. So 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:34.720 that's a lesson. That's a lesson, dude, that's that's that's 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:38.560 read the room. That's your audience telling you something. That's 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.400 an opportunity. Yes, it crashed and burned your story, but 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:45.960 it's also a learning moment. So you learn this eating character. 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.280 Eb No, don't start. Don't fucking try and wheel it 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:53.720 out again. Fuck Scrooge, look at you. He's so desperately 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.720 trying to tell the story that's failed multiple times. We 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:58.880 don't want to fucking hear it, and we don't want 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.560 to hear your positive being on a negative coun So 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.240 you just put that shit back in the metaphoric box. 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.160 If you want to talk about good things and happy people. Cool. 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.160 You know, it's really interesting. Everything you just said is true. 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:16.880 I have this obsession with wheeling out the same field story, 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:18.200 over doing it. 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.119 Stop doing it. It's like you're you're almost a stand 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:21.680 up comic. 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:22.000 Now. 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:27.239 You need to constantly pay attention to the audience. What's working, 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.440 what's not working? You know, what's landing what's getting the laugh, 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.520 what's getting eyeballs, what's getting attention, what's drawing people in 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:37.360 read the room? Bro, don't keep telling the same fucked 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.679 up joke. You've got to tweet either new joke or 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:44.240 tweak the old joke. I love listening to comedians talk 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:48.439 about the way that they design and refine and constantly 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:52.480 re refine material. And it might be a clunky, kind 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:57.400 of lopsided, like awkward ninety second joke that becomes a 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.840 thirty second absolute banger, but it takes in two years 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.000 and they know exactly when to pause and exactly the 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:08.600 energy and exactly the words. But after like all this 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.760 tweaking and refining and paying attention, they just come up 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.560 with this bit that's just thirty seconds of fucking gold, 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:16.520 and it kills in every room. 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.920 I mean, that's that's the goal for you, right, yeah. 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.559 I mean the writing and the refining is constant, and 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.720 it's like, to come up with even five minutes of material, 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.120 you're gonna have to write and edit quite a lot. 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:33.000 At the end of the day. What really lands, it's 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.240 not so much the joke, but it's the timing. It's 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:41.160 completely the delivery. Oh my goodness, because like every week 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.400 we get together in school and we practice things, and 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.959 sometimes you'll deliver a joke in a certain way and 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:52.400 there's you know, there's nobody that's harsher than your peers. 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:56.240 If something's not funny, nobody's gonna laugh. Or if you're 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.320 doing an open mic night we got one down here 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:02.200 just for that's attended mostly by stand up comics, so 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.560 they're just trying out their material on one another. And 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.240 what's really great about that is the brutal honesty. If 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.520 something's that funny, they'll tell you. But you'll see something 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.760 and you'll just tweak a tone or a pause and 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:17.480 the room explodes with laughter. Next week you're going over 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:23.000 it again and you do it differently, seam jerk like flatline. Yeah, 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:27.760 it lies in the air. So it's really interesting. I'm 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:28.240 learning a lot. 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.880 I just it's something that something that you should listen 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.040 to because it's well, listen to me something Bobby. You 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.959 might enjoy listening to Craig stop telling people what the 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.960 fucking do, Bobby. Hey, here's an idea. Feel free to 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:46.000 not do it. My suggestion for you is listen to 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:51.319 the most recent Louis Throw. I'm sure you like Louis 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:55.240 because he's British and you love Britain. Louis throw with 0:10:55.400 --> 0:11:01.280 Jimmy Carr and probably two people you like, and Jimmy 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.840 talks about his process. Oh both of you have gone 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.719 to your phones. That's good, Jimmy, come down. No, no, 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:12.040 you'll love it because for you it's it's probably very 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:18.319 very relevant and very timely where he talks about the process, 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.840 like the creative process, the delivering, the content process, the 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:27.120 reading the room, the you know, the written kind of choreographed, 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:32.480 scripted stuff versus the freestyle stuff, and like basically he 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:37.000 said for something like for the last year. I'm speaking 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.000 as him now, he said, for the last year, I 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:43.199 have done five days a week to two hour shows 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:49.160 for the last year. That's twenty hours on stage a week. 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:53.560 Imagine that TIF as twenty hours live. And it's not 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:57.480 like he's talking to fucking seven people, Like he's doing 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.720 rooms with between two and twenty thousand, depending on where 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:06.480 he's at. And yeah, five days a week, two times 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:10.160 a day, two hours each time, and he you know, 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.160 there's no like you know where people it's like, oh, 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.640 it's just a sense of duty. It's just what he 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.800 fucking loves it, and he talks about his first twenty 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:24.040 minutes is essentially just pre choreographed, scripted. Here's a joke. Laugh, 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:25.680 here's a joke. He's a laugh, and he just does 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.559 all these stuff and it's it's similar, but like these 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.959 are just jokes that he's written that he's just wheeling at. 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:34.920 And then from there, once he's created whatever he needs 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:38.200 to create, the energy, the connection, the trust, the whatever, 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.640 then he just starts to freestyle and interact. And yeah, 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.840 so if any well else wants to listen to that, 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.120 I think also, like, obviously I'm not a comedian, but 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.160 I just as somebody from a point of view of 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.920 building rapport with people or trying to understand people, or 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:59.760 how do I communicate effectively? Like so much because I 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.760 think think if you can do comedy, you can almost 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:04.520 do any kind of communication. 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.520 It's a different world. The expectation of the audience is 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:13.040 really high, so you really have to be on. It's 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.040 quite difficult. I mean, Jimmy Carr is an absolute master. 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:20.040 What I like about Jimmy Call lately is he seems 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:24.400 to be incorporating some of his ideology and some of 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:28.120 himself into his comedy more than just jokes. There's like 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.120 a message there, and that's something that you didn't really 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:34.760 hear from Jimmy Call many years ago. But I like it. 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:38.000 I like this evolution because I think he's quite switched on. 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.320 I was listening to walso on Diary of the CEO, 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.160 where he was talking about that and so many things 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.840 that he was saying resonated with me from being on 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.520 the road. Where he's talking about, you know, it's not glamorous, 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.280 like a lot of times your plane's delayed. It's like 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.319 you're not getting out and then you're sleep deprived and 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.920 you're in a cab somewhere in a city you've never 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.400 been to. And he was talking about how much he 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.480 loved all of it. I was like, yeah, you know, 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:09.880 you know what, Like I didn't like when my planes 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:13.240 were delayed. I didn't like when things were rearranged and 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.080 there were set backs, or you know, occasionally you're not 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.760 in a four or five star hotel, you're in a 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:22.320 shitty one star hotel where the heater doesn't work. I 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:26.760 didn't like that, But I loved all of it, do 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.440 you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.760 in love with the lifestyle and the work, and there 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.280 was nothing that felt like, oh fuck, I got to 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:38.680 sit down and prepare this shit. It was like, oh, okay, 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:42.720 what's my environment? How do I remove interference? That was 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.920 the biggest thing, is removing interference and zone in Do. 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.680 You remember it would have been? I think it was 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:52.680 When were you and I? When did you and I 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:56.920 got London together? Was it ninety eight ninety nine? Kevin 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:02.000 Laferrier and Richard Boyd? And do you and I? Anyway? 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:04.480 I think it was just before two thousand and I 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.480 remember you and I stayed in a hotel room. If 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.640 you know how big my office is, this hotel room 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.480 was the side of my size of Now I'm in 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:18.960 the whole room and it was like it wouldn't have 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:22.760 been one star? Do you remember that? It was disgusting, Bobby? 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:26.640 It was so fucking low brow, It was so dirty. 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.360 I slept in my clothes because I didn't want my 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:31.080 skin to touch the fucking sheets. 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.479 It was. I've stayed I've stayed in a few hotels 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:41.160 like that in London, in Kingston, the Antwinette, Oh my goodness, 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.880 that was. Yeah. I used to have like clothing that 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:48.320 I would bring just to like wear to bed. And 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:50.960 just like a hat from my head and then I 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.200 would bag that shit. It had For a shower, there 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.440 was a hose coming out of a wall and he 0:15:56.480 --> 0:16:01.280 had to squat down and shower and rooms smelt like 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:07.440 must and mold. It was so absolute and cleaning products. 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.680 It was so disgusting. And before the smoking ban, this 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.560 is you would walk through the lobby. They had the 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.760 actual keys. The keys were gigantic. That was cool, but 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:21.000 the lobby had this thick haze of cigarette smoke just 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.480 hanging there. Oh. I used to feel like shit after 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:26.040 getting out of there with just one night. 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:31.880 Good times, Yeah, great time. Speaking of comedy, how's your 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:32.960 comedy career going? 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:34.960 What do you so? 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.920 For those who don't know, Bobby is a presenter and 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.640 a coach and a mentor and a workshop facilitator and 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.880 all that, but not a comic, but kind of becoming 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:49.840 a comic. So just putting his toe in the comedy world. Warders, 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:54.120 what do you have to report? 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.400 My second show that I've done since I started going 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.440 to school. I have another show that'll come up, and Jane, 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:03.360 it went better than the first. It went well. First 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.560 one didn't go bad either. You know, I've got to 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:10.040 credit the other students that are in the room. You 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.520 got everyone who is a novice and just wants to 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.080 try this out, either because they want to be a 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.600 comedian or they just want to be better at communicating 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.480 from a stage. And then you got like working comedians 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:23.440 that are constantly working on their craft and like they'll 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:28.199 give you notes. They're fantastic. My teacher, Tony, it's a 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:33.639 really cool guy. He's he's very subtle, very direct, but 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.680 very subtle, and he'll just like throw things out, give 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.520 you feedback, and then it'll hit you when when you're 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:43.200 doing your writing and editing that week, it's like, okay, 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.479 let me cut this back. So I love I love Tony. 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.159 It's one of the best decisions I've made in a while. 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.800 My first show, I was intense. My energy level on 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.080 stage was particularly high, if you know what I mean. 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:02.040 Second show, No, I still had my personality, unfortunately, but 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.720 I was a little bit toned down and my pauses 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.480 and you know, and delivery it was a little bit sharper. 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:10.840 I think it went better. I liked it. 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:16.080 Yeah, yeah, I would imagine that doing comedy and even 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.800 doing you know, open mic nights and getting up for 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.720 ninety seconds, two minutes, five minutes, whatever the allocation is. 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.920 Even if you don't end up being a comic, although 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.320 you well could, but even if you don't, it's still 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:32.040 going to help you as a facilitator in front of 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:36.520 an audience anyway. It's gonna bring another dimension to how 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:37.480 you do what you do. 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:44.320 I would imagine, no doubt whatsoever. I think comedy is 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.920 sharpening my skills. It's teaching me a lot of lessons. 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.679 There's one thing that comedy requires, though, that I was 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.000 trying to get away from. But I think it's I 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:59.120 think it's really good. Actually, where I've mentioned that I've 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:03.399 over prepared a lot, I've been extremely intentional on things, 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.040 and like I would get on stage and try to 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:10.080 memorize everything else, going to say not word for word, 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.040 but pretty much bullet point by bullet point, which really 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:18.000 is the worst possible thing you could ever do. But 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:22.040 in comedy, if you've got ten minutes, that's tight, or 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:23.920 if you're doing an open mic night and you've got 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.800 five minutes or three minutes, you better have things memorized 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.639 because you could go you go go short. Like if 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:32.400 you they give you five minutes and you do four, 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.000 nobody really cares. If they give you five minutes, you 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.760 do six, You're probably not going to do an open 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:38.240 mic night. 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:38.520 There. 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:41.200 I'm not saying that an open mic night is. I 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:45.000 mean there are advantages of it. I think you learn 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:49.120 a lot more when you do actual shows. That's been 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:53.359 my limited experience. But you really have to have it tight. 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:55.840 You get it so tight that when you get up 0:19:55.880 --> 0:20:00.080 on stage, forget, forget everything you remember, just go. It 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:01.720 should be second nature. 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:09.320 Just perform and are you okay with the iterative process 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.919 of getting up being not great, getting up being a 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.680 bit better, getting a bit right tonight, getting it wrong 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:22.160 tomorrow night. And one hundred shows later, you're starting to understand. 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:25.560 You're starting to because I feel like this is not 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:29.159 something that you get good at in five attempts, you know, 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:31.879 no matter what your starting point is or your natural 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:37.840 talent is. I think like for comedy, for me, comedy 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:41.439 is like I think anyone can get up and not anyone, 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:43.000 but a lot of people can get up and just 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:45.639 talk and do like I think what I do is 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:48.560 not I was going to say it's not that hard. 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.280 I guess it is for a lot of people. But 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:54.360 I think what I do is infinitely easier than doing comedy, 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:58.719 because your whole job in comedy is to change people's 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:05.159 emotional state, is to get a visible response, Like you 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:07.960 want to see them laughing, You want to see their 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:11.600 head moving, you want to see their facial expression change. 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:15.280 You want to see a psychological, emotional, and physical outcome. 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:19.960 You want to like, I would be so fucking terrified 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.840 to wheel out my first Joe Core story or two 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:26.639 or three, and I've just got fucking dead pan faces. 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:30.560 I mean, like so whed craiggo I actually moved to 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:32.720 the country. We've never heard from him again, and that 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.840 was ten years ago. Yeah, yeah, apparently he's living in 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.680 a subterranean bunker eating fucking weedies. He won't talk to anyone, 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:44.960 you know, Like I think, hey, that's actually funny. I 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:49.400 should put that in. But you know, it's like, yeah, 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:54.000 I think being I love amusing people and being spontaneously 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:58.800 funny if that's what works in the situation. But walking 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:02.720 out for the ex express reason of being funny, Okay, 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:05.120 you're gonna walk on in sixty seconds, and in sixty 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:08.880 one seconds you're going to start to be funny. Fucking hell, 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:13.800 that terrifies me. Are you scared of that, I hope. 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:19.040 So I look, this is what I tell anyone who 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:21.480 I've ever coached as a speaker. If you are not 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:25.919 scared to step out on a stage, you don't belong 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:30.200 on one, because you're either delusional about what you're stepping 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:32.879 into and what it's really going to take to get good, 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:38.600 or you're not taking seriously the fact that you have 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:42.879 an opportunity to impact people. This is some serious shit. 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:46.439 You could be the person that says that thing in 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:49.080 a way that has never been said to that one 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:53.600 person in an audience of three hundred before, and five 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:55.600 years from now they look back and like that was 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:58.320