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Speaker 1: as we do at the end of every year. Surprisingly,

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Speaker 1: Christmas comes at the end of the year. Every year.

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Speaker 1: It's a pattern. I don't know if anyone else has

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Speaker 1: picked it up. I've noticed it. Look, this may not

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Speaker 1: be groundbreaking for you, but and often often followed by

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Speaker 1: New Year, so you're welcome. Call it science Hi, tiv

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Speaker 2: I find it very weird because it's like, oh, it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like it is it is avalanching down on

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Speaker 1: top of our little heads. And that's okay. But this

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Speaker 1: don't know where the time's gone. Oh my god, where

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Speaker 1: did the year go? Everyone says that every year everyone

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Speaker 1: is surprised by how quickly the year went. But in

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Speaker 1: like a blink, it just went Hi, Robert, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well? Doing well. Yeah, I'm surprised that how

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Speaker 3: consistent we have been with the whole Christmas New Year's

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Speaker 3: thing right at the end of the year. Every year

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Speaker 3: we've been great with it. We haven't believed where the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we haven't missed one. And I don't know too millennia.

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Speaker 1: I actually wonder when that's not that's that's not actually true.

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Speaker 1: When did When did Christmas as a kind of a

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Speaker 1: Can you figure that out? When did we start celebrating

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Speaker 3: Bobby?

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Speaker 1: What's your what's your guess? When did we start doing

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Speaker 1: over the last one hundred years, but when do you

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Speaker 1: think that we started doing, Hey, merry Christmas. When do

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know when we started doing Merry Christmas,

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Speaker 3: know we had a we had a whole sermon in

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Speaker 3: our church many many years ago against Christmas trees. Apparently

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Speaker 1: And do you also know that Santa is an anagram

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Speaker 1: of Sitan? Have you ever thought about that? What do

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Speaker 1: taken it too far? Well, Santa? So you know what

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I know what an anagram is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so Santa is the same letters as Syitan and

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Speaker 1: the same number of letters.

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Speaker 3: I ever thought about it be purely coincidental?

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Speaker 1: Well it could, or it could be God telling us

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Speaker 1: something Robert.

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Speaker 3: Like sounds to clause isn't real?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he knows, Ti, what have you got for us?

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Speaker 2: We know that Chatters likes to carry on a bit

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Speaker 1: Come on, Chatters, keep it brief. Just go hey, chatty, Kathy,

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Speaker 2: In Western Christian culture, Christmas as a formal celebration shows

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Speaker 2: up in the fourth century. Three point thirty six CE

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Speaker 2: is the earliest clear record of Christmas on December twenty fifth,

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Speaker 2: By the late three hundreds, the dates spread across Western

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Speaker 1: Is that what it says? Yes, Oh my god, Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. Oh well, there you

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Speaker 1: have it, everybody, the history of Christmas that you didn't need.

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Speaker 3: I could have been more wrong. I missed it by

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Speaker 3: like a millennia. But yeah, so sad to clause it's ideolatry.

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Speaker 3: Well, I blame those Hallmark films. Yes, those are very

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Speaker 3: What do you love about it?

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Speaker 1: What do you love about it?

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Speaker 3: You've seen them like ten times. You know how it's

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Speaker 1: Well, good for you, dude, and you should. You should

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Speaker 1: everybody should probably stop saying should Craig? Okay, well done,

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Speaker 3: I've tried it twice now with Scrooge, where looking at

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Speaker 3: I will say right now, nobody likes that story. I

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Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm gonna try that again. So

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Speaker 1: that's a lesson. That's a lesson, dude, that's that's that's

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Speaker 1: read the room. That's your audience telling you something. That's

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Speaker 1: Eb No, don't start. Don't fucking try and wheel it

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Speaker 3: You know, it's really interesting. Everything you just said is true.

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Speaker 3: I have this obsession with wheeling out the same field story,

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Speaker 1: Stop doing it. It's like you're you're almost a stand

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Speaker 1: You need to constantly pay attention to the audience. What's working,

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Speaker 1: I just it's something that something that you should listen

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Speaker 1: fucking do, Bobby. Hey, here's an idea. Feel free to

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Speaker 3: There's one thing that comedy requires, though, that I was

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Speaker 3: to be able to do that.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about like you said something like, if you're

433
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Speaker 1: not scared something's wrong or and I kind of I

434
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Speaker 1: understand that, and I would be fucking terrified by the way,

435
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Speaker 1: which is why I'll never do it, because I'm a

436
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Speaker 1: big baby. But at the same time, we know that

437
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Speaker 1: if we're scared, our you know, our critical thinking and

438
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Speaker 1: our timing and our skill and our judgment. Like if

439
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Speaker 1: ow amigdala is fucking lit up like a Christmas tree

440
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Speaker 1: because we're fucking terrified, we know that all the other

441
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Speaker 1: kind of cognitive skills drop. So how do you be

442
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Speaker 1: simultaneously scared and get up there and do a great

443
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Speaker 1: job when you probably can't think the way that you

444
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Speaker 1: need to think to be excellent.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a great question. The answer is, like

446
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Speaker 3: anything else, you practice strategies that help you mitigate as

447
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Speaker 3: well as direct, the emotional intensity you're feeling in the moment.

448
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Speaker 3: Like one thing is movement, right, burn off that epit ephroent, Like,

449
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Speaker 3: just burn it off. Move I'm not saying pace the

450
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Speaker 3: stage like a cage tiger because you'll freak everyone out.

451
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Speaker 3: But if you can help it before you go into

452
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Speaker 3: your next meeting, before you know you go on your

453
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Speaker 3: next date, or get up on your next stage instead

454
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Speaker 3: of just sitting there the audience, Like you know, twenty

455
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Speaker 3: minutes before you're gonna go on if you can, or

456
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Speaker 3: even ten minutes, go for a walk, put on a headset,

457
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Speaker 3: listen to some music that inspires you, instrumental and that movement.

458
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Speaker 3: That movement will help with your stress hormone levels. Then

459
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Speaker 3: when you get on stage, be deliberate within your movements,

460
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Speaker 3: your expressions. Also, like you said, Jimmy call what he

461
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Speaker 3: was talking about. I never heard him say that, but

462
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Speaker 3: that's interesting because I found that worked for me. Let's

463
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Speaker 3: say you have thirty minutes in front of an audience.

464
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Speaker 3: The first five minutes, YE script that. Practice it, because

465
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Speaker 3: once you deliver that, you're already moving into the quote

466
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Speaker 3: unquote zone. It's really hard. Like if you have to

467
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Speaker 3: manage two streams of consciousness, what you're trying to remember

468
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Speaker 3: and what you're trying to communicate, that's way too much

469
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Speaker 3: cognitive load. But if you have an opening signature story

470
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Speaker 3: or a point that you want to make to draw

471
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Speaker 3: your audience in, if that's rehearsed, you could just get

472
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Speaker 3: into that. By the time you get out of that,

473
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Speaker 3: you'll be flowing a lot more. So, there's steps that

474
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Speaker 3: you can do. So there's a movement, there's deliberate action

475
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Speaker 3: is another one. There is getting your first five to

476
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Speaker 3: ten minutes of delivery so tight that that emotionally, biochemically,

477
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Speaker 3: psychologically guides you into the presentation I think you know.

478
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Speaker 3: And also find somebody in the room, unless you're presenting

479
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Speaker 3: to an auditorium where you just look out into thousands

480
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Speaker 3: of people and it's blackness, find someone, look at that

481
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Speaker 3: person for a few seconds. Deliver to that one person,

482
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Speaker 3: because here's the thing, that one person will be like,

483
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Speaker 3: oh wow, this person's talking to me. What seems like

484
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Speaker 3: an eternity for you, because sometimes like I don't want

485
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Speaker 3: to stare at one person that's creepy, that's like they're

486
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Speaker 3: going to report me to HR. If you lock eyes

487
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Speaker 3: with them for three seconds, what feels like an eternity

488
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Speaker 3: for you is a moment for them, and the rest

489
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Speaker 3: of the room will feel more as if you're speaking

490
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Speaker 3: to them looking at that one person than if you

491
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Speaker 3: were just staring off into space or the back of

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Speaker 3: the room. Then find another person, Yeah, particularly the friendly face,

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Speaker 3: not the person who's frowning, not the person whose boss

494
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Speaker 3: made them go, who's hoping like you have a stroke

495
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Speaker 3: in the middle of this thing, so they can go home.

496
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Speaker 3: They don't want to be here, not that person, but

497
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Speaker 3: the next friendly face lock eyes with them, and just

498
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Speaker 3: keep doing that. Within fifteen minutes, you'll be in a

499
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Speaker 3: completely different state. So it's not a matter of having butterflies.

500
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Speaker 3: Butterflies are great. Can you train those butterflies to fly

501
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Speaker 3: in formation?

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Speaker 1: That's the question, Oh, beautiful metaphor. I remember I've told

503
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Speaker 1: this once before, but I've done a bunch of gigs

504
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Speaker 1: where there was somebody in the audience who, in my mind,

505
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Speaker 1: as I was on stage, they're looking at me, and

506
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Speaker 1: clearly they fucking hight me me. I'm crashing and burning,

507
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Speaker 1: and I'm telling you the first time I so you speak, yeah,

508
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: thank you, probably the first hundred times I spoke. But

509
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Speaker 1: I remember, you know, like I'd be in a room

510
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Speaker 1: with a one hundred people or whatever. It was a

511
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Speaker 1: whole lot of people, and most people are somewhere between

512
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Speaker 1: seemingly interested and really enjoying it, somewhere in that space,

513
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Speaker 1: and I'll always find the one that looks like he

514
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: hates me. It's usually a hymn, and all I do,

515
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Speaker 1: like the other ninety nine who were digging it. They

516
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Speaker 1: don't even come into my attention. But this one dude

517
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Speaker 1: who fucking hates me, he has all of my energy.

518
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Speaker 1: And anyway, I had this one guy. It was actually

519
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Speaker 1: at a gig that I don't normally do. It was

520
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Speaker 1: in a gym, so it was members of a gym,

521
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Speaker 1: and I remember I'm looking at him. I'm thinking as

522
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Speaker 1: I'm talking, I'm thinking, this stuff is relevant. This is

523
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Speaker 1: an area that I'm really comfortable in. I'm talking, you know,

524
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Speaker 1: if I have any area of expertise, it's the shit

525
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Speaker 1: that I'm talking about right now. Because I was talking

526
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Speaker 1: as an exercise scientist and a jim Anna, you know,

527
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Speaker 1: a trainer of people over a very long period of time,

528
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Speaker 1: and I just like it was bothering me at the

529
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Speaker 1: same time as I was like completely my fault. I

530
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Speaker 1: ended up doing I would say a seven or a

531
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Speaker 1: seven and a half out of ten. It wasn't brilliant,

532
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't terrible, it was okay. Anyway, the dude who'd

533
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: just been like cold, staring me, not smiling, looking at

534
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Speaker 1: me like he just had contempt. At the end, he

535
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: comes up to talk to me, and he's with his

536
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Speaker 1: wife and he walks up and he's holding her sleeve

537
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: and he's legally blind, so he couldn't even fucking see me.

538
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Speaker 1: And he's like that was amazing. I'm like, oh my god.

539
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Speaker 3: I go really, I go, do you know what?

540
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Speaker 1: Can I tell you something funny? He's like what, I go,

541
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: I thought you hated me. He goes why and I go,

542
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: cause you're kind of looking at me like with that

543
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 1: I hate you face and he goes, I can't see you.

544
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 1: I'm legally blind, or he goes, I can see you

545
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: kind of now, but I couldn't see you there. He goes, No,

546
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: you're funny.

547
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 3: It's great.

548
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: It's like, ah yeah, like I literally invented a problem,

549
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: like I plucked the problem out of thin air, and

550
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: I actually made my own experience bad like no one

551
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: else did. So it happens. Hey, tif, I wanted to

552
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: ask you, similar to Bobby's kind of thinking around getting

553
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: on stage. You did a gig very recently, quite a decent,

554
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: big gig, well paid, grown up like look at tiff,

555
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm a pro speaker gig, and how that was one.

556
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've done quite a bit, but this was

557
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: like stepping up a bit for you. It was good Money,

558
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: good group quite a long time on stage. How did

559
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: you feel going into that? Because I may or may

560
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Speaker 1: not have got a call from a friend of mine

561
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: who was a little bit panic strict, and as she

562
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Speaker 1: was driving.

563
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Speaker 2: In, you're talking about that the recent workshop.

564
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, yeah, yeah, that one.

565
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well it was I didn't love it, Harps.

566
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: I didn't love it.

567
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Speaker 2: This time because I've got all these new ideas and

568
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: concepts and strategies and stuff in my mind. So I

569
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: felt like I was in the middle of tif pre

570
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five learnings and TIFF post twenty twenty five

571
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Speaker 2: learnings and then doing something completely new in a completely

572
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Speaker 2: different environment. So it's interesting because there's so much stimulus.

573
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Speaker 1: To Can I just interrupt it? Can I just interrupt?

574
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: Tell our audience that might not know what you're talking

575
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Speaker 1: about is you've just been immersed in this speaking program

576
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Speaker 1: for six months or so, and so you were looking

577
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: through that lens and that was and then you stepped

578
00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: into this environment where that wasn't really that appropriate, right.

579
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, look it could have been, but there's you

580
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Speaker 2: have to make a choice of how how would I

581
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Speaker 2: like to deliver this workshop? And this is how I

582
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Speaker 2: normally deliver workshops, but this is this new framework and

583
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Speaker 2: there's some new ideas and strategies and how would I

584
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Speaker 2: like to choose to operate this time? And so for me,

585
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Speaker 2: it felt like there was a lot of spinning plates

586
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Speaker 2: in my mind in the middle of doing the process,

587
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Speaker 2: which is funny. And what was very funny is I

588
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: rang you afterwards and I was like, I hated it.

589
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Speaker 2: Not good the feedback. The feedback was surprisingly really good,

590
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Speaker 2: but I didn't love it. But the last concept I'll

591
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Speaker 2: remember speaking to these people about was how our perception

592
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Speaker 2: of our performance is never never accurate. You know, I'm

593
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Speaker 2: not ironic, right, because then you going, oh, my performance

594
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Speaker 2: was terrible.

595
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Speaker 1: YEA, so funny.

596
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What I would ask you guys before when you were

598
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Speaker 2: talking about the comedy, and this would apply to perhaps

599
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: speaking as well, but how much do you think the

600
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Speaker 2: success of a working comic comes back to the curating

601
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Speaker 2: of your audience over time? Because you talk about speaking

602
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: in warm rooms as opposed to cold rooms, so that

603
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: makes a huge impact on delivery. But also you think

604
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Speaker 2: about if someone I was reflecting on going to see

605
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Speaker 2: Hannah Gadsby when she was in Melbourne and there was

606
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Speaker 2: a great comic that came on before her that no

607
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Speaker 2: one knew who was ended up being quite funny. But

608
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Speaker 2: there's no warmth. There's no warmth when they walk on stage.

609
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Speaker 2: They have to earn that with hard reps. And then

610
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Speaker 2: I remember Hannah Gadsby, a song comes on and everyone

611
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 2: laughed and applauded, and she hadn't even and then she

612
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Speaker 2: might have said some one word or something over the

613
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Speaker 2: mic as she and everyone was clapping and laughing, and

614
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Speaker 2: like she has that rapport over time, and everyone knows

615
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: what and you know what style of humor you're there for,

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Speaker 2: you know, the intellect of the person that's delivering that content.

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Speaker 1: M That's the terror and horror and vulnerability of being

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Speaker 1: a corporate speaker. Where you go to rooms. Where I

619
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Speaker 1: did a gig at Crown, there was one thousand people

620
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Speaker 1: there and the guy said, who knows Craig's work, and like,

621
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Speaker 1: fuck nobody, And I'm like, oh, awesome. So I'm like, hey, mate,

622
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Speaker 1: shut the fuck up, get off the stage, you know.

623
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Speaker 1: And so there were really the best part of a

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Speaker 1: thousand people who didn't know who the fuck I was.

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Speaker 1: You know, I may be a few people, but the

626
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Speaker 1: vast majority didn't know who I was, so there was

627
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Speaker 1: no expectation. There was no you know, there was and

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Speaker 1: they weren't. Well, they were cold in that they didn't.

629
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Speaker 1: I had to work.

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Speaker 3: I had to.

631
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Speaker 1: Work hard for the first fifteen minutes to not fucking sink.

632
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: And you know, it's like, it doesn't matter what your

633
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: content is. The first five to ten minutes is do

634
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: we like him? Do we trust him? Is he a

635
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: fuck with? Does he know anything? Do I want to

636
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: listen to him for an hour? Is my Instagram feed

637
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: going to be more interesting in the next five minutes

638
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: than this fucking idiot? And why should it? You know,

639
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: It's like and as you're up there, there's this myriad

640
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: of you know, emotions and thoughts and ideas and feelings,

641
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: but at the same time, you don't want any of

642
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: that to transfer to the room. So yeah, I mean

643
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: me talking at a Craig Harper Live event like you've

644
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: been to multiple times, like Bobby, you've spoken at you

645
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: know where we're at. Where at Angle c doing a

646
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Speaker 1: or Man Lives are doing a camp, or where at

647
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: Deacon University where seven hundred people in a room Like

648
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: I literally can walk out in that room with seven

649
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: one hundred people and just look at people and smile

650
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: and just be cheeky and people laugh because it's they

651
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: want they want to be there, and they chose to

652
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: come to see me, whereas a lot of events nobody

653
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: chose me. I just happened to be the bloke that

654
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: they're wheeling out at ten o'clock. You know. So it

655
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: is a completely different challenge and a completely different dynamic. Bobby,

656
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: you would have had the same thing, I'm sure.

657
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, completely different dynamic. When an audience knows you

658
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 3: and they're there, I mean they want to listen to

659
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 3: your content, but they're there because they want to listen

660
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: to you. They like your style. There's there's a resonance,

661
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: there's a familiarity. It's a completely different animal than walking

662
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 3: into a cold room. I think the longer you have

663
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 3: to present, the easier it is to overcome that yeah

664
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: you said, you said something really important. When you step

665
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 3: out on stage, the first thing is an audience is thinking,

666
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: as with any rea it could be a metaphorical stage,

667
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 3: is so what and why should I listen to you?

668
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: So people tell you, Well, when you come out, just

669
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: like start delivering takeaways. That's like telling somebody the first

670
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: you know, four weeks of working out, like you just

671
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: want to get as strong as possible, Like you're an

672
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: early stage motor learner, Like what are you even doing?

673
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: So you got to win over that room before they

674
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 3: even trust you and give you permission to influence them

675
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: in any way, because you're always there by permission. So

676
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: it makes that emotional connection even more important. If you

677
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 3: got twenty minutes hard to do, if you got an

678
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 3: hour easier.

679
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true. It's like the longer you have,

680
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: as long as you're not dying for twenty minutes.

681
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 3: At the stop.

682
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I like it when I have two

683
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: or three hours because I don't have to rush. I

684
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: can make it much more interactive. I know that I

685
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: can talk for three hours without any prepper, and I

686
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: know it gives me a lot of space to be

687
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: able to go wherever I want to go, you know,

688
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: in terms of content and activities and connection and energy. Yeah,

689
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: some of the hardest gigs are twenty I've only done

690
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: maybe one or two, but I've done like literally where

691
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: I've been paid a stupid amount of money to go

692
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: to a conference to talk for twenty minutes. I'm like,

693
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: do you want me to talk for forty five minutes?

694
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: I won't charge you anymore. They're like, no, we just

695
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: want twenty minutes. And it was basically a roster of

696
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: pretty good speakers that just got up for twenty minutes.

697
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck, I do not. This is so much

698
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: harder than two hours because I don't know what I've

699
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: got to leave out ninety eight percent of what I

700
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: might you know, it's like, all right, so I'm maybe

701
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: going to get through four things in these twenty minutes.

702
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: So what are those four things? Tif If you had

703
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: to do that workshop that you did recently, you had

704
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: to do it next week, same workshop, but to a

705
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: different group of humans, what would you change?

706
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 2: Just a just a tighter plan. I think I had

707
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: a I had a I had a plan, but then

708
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: I kept it loose and interactive, and I just think

709
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: I would probably have a tighter plan with around wrapped

710
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: around that same you know, the same all of the

711
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: same concepts and topics we talked about, but just yeah,

712
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: because it was two hours, so it was it was longer,

713
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: and you never know, like you never know how many

714
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: people are going to interact and how how how much

715
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: the conversation will take place, and that I really like

716
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: to have workshops to be very interactive and conversational, which

717
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: had got in the end, it was very much like that.

718
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: But I, Yeah, the time frame for me was I

719
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: felt like I was very aware of how long is

720
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: this taking? What have I gotten through? Where have we been?

721
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: Where are we going? You know, just a lot of

722
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: but you can't you can't learn. I can't learn without

723
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: putting myself into that situation. So come out of that

724
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 2: and went oh and sometimes, but that audience was very different.

725
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 2: I there were some things I mentioned and people hadn't

726
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: heard of the people, and I remember thinking, who, oh,

727
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: you don't know about that? So used to people knowing

728
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,959
Speaker 2: about maybe the people I refer to or talk about

729
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: or some of the concepts, so that you know, just

730
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. What am I talking about? That

731
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: I might not be taking that into account?

732
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that exactly what level is this group out in

733
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Speaker 1: terms of what they know or what their you know,

734
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: their language or their Yeah, if I'm talking to an

735
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: academic group, it's totally different to if I'm talking to

736
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of blokes on a construction site. Nobody's smarter

737
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: or dumber they're just different. Yes, they're interested in different

738
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: things and different language. And you know, like I've spoken

739
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: a few times in prison, and I figured out first

740
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: time I was in there. I figured out what they

741
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: are interested in from me, the excise scientist is they're

742
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: interested in learning how to get as strong as possible

743
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: with no equipment or limited equipment. So I taught them

744
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: about manual training. So I would every time I went in,

745
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: I would get one of them to go get a towel,

746
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: and I would train the strongest guy I could find

747
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: with a towel doing manual resistance training, push pull training,

748
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: and we'd have no dumbells, no bar bells, no gym equipment.

749
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: I would put that guy through twenty or thirty minutes

750
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 1: of hell, and because I understand how to make him

751
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: work hard, and you know, and they're like great, But

752
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,479
Speaker 1: that's because oh I'm in prison. I want to be safe,

753
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: i want to be strong, I want muscle. So I'm

754
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: not going to go in there and talk to them

755
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: about fucking the meaning of life, you know, or how

756
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: to you know, be a better communicator on stage, you know,

757
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like horses for courses, Hey, Bobby going

758
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: to wind up. But so with your first two gigs,

759
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: what's one thing that you wouldn't do again or one

760
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: thing that you thought was a mistake or didn't fly,

761
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: and what's one thing that perhaps went great.

762
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 3: H that's a hard that is a hard question.

763
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: Because let me ask let me ask an easier one.

764
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: What did you learn something that because I feel like

765
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: you're doing comedy schools so to speak, but there's no

766
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: learning environment like the actual job itself. Like, so when

767
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: you're doing the job in front of the room, what

768
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: was the maybe the key takeaway for you.

769
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: That would be it? I think you just said it.

770
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 3: And it's like, if you're going to get good at anything,

771
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 3: it's wraps. I mean I could go to swim school

772
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: and I could, you know, study the biomechanics of swimming.

773
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: You're going to get in the pool and do some

774
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 3: laps if you're ever going to be a decent swimmer.

775
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 3: And you know, I think the lessons are a lot

776
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 3: of people talk about imposter syndrome, where I think that

777
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: could be either crippling or it could be an advantage

778
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: because to some degree, like there's an element honesty there.

779
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 3: But yes, just like our attitude shape, our behaviors. Our

780
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 3: behaviors conversely shape our attitudes and beliefs. And that's one

781
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 3: of the lessons I've learned from my teacher is the

782
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: power of belief. I feel uncomfortable saying that because it's

783
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: a language I've kind of moved away from the past

784
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: few years, mistakenly. Having that belief in yourself and that confidence,

785
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 3: it not only inoculates you from a lot of the

786
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 3: hurt and disappointment that you're going to have to face

787
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: in order to get better at just about anything that's

788
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 3: important to you, but it also allows you to excel

789
00:44:55,080 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 3: in self expression. And that belief comes from execute on

790
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: a series of behaviors. So getting up on stage that

791
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: was like the best and the worst of it, and

792
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: I know that. In class Tony was like, you know

793
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 3: what your problem is? He thought my second set was fantastic.

794
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 3: He's like, but it's your delivery because you have not

795
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: completely committed to delivering this. You do not believe yet.

796
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,479
Speaker 3: And I was like, yes, okay, and he's one hundred right.

797
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: So it's that belief and whatever you want to get

798
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: good at, what are the behaviors that someone who is

799
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: really good at that has done or still does start

800
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 3: doing those behaviors.

801
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: It's really hard to try real hard but simultaneously look

802
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: like you're not trying at all.

803
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's where trying hard comes in, because

804
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 3: when you're on stage, you should be trying hard at all.

805
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: You should just be in the flow and performing. That's

806
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 3: why your practice is so damn brutal. That's why you

807
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 3: need so many reps. And I think one of the

808
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 3: things that benefits you is it is there an arena

809
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: where the stakes are different, because I can understand something

810
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: like going, oh, I don't want to do trial and

811
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 3: error at board presentations because I'll get sacked if I

812
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 3: screw up with those. But one of the things, like

813
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: if you have a domain like comedy, nobody's gonna sack me.

814
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 3: They might not invite me back. But if I bomb

815
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 3: on stage, and I don't want to because if people

816
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: are paying like whatever, they're paying like sixteen bucks to

817
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: come see me, like, I respect that. I want them

818
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 3: to have a really good time. But if I did

819
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: bomb on stage, I personally would enjoy it because I know,

820
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: maybe not that night, but next week, next month, there's

821
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 3: a lesson there. And I just think the irony of

822
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: someone who stands up to do comedy and just dies

823
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 3: in front of the room is hilarious. Maybe not for

824
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 3: the audience, but for me. I wouldn't feel the same

825
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 3: way if I was at work. So if you can

826
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: have a compartmentalized arena where you can go through the

827
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 3: pain and the struggle of gruth, but the steaks are not.

828
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 3: Oh jeez, I just lost I just lost a major

829
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 3: account for my company. I think that's something that people

830
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 3: should consider. Get looking into.

831
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: Oh, doing scary shit, Folks doing scary shit to learn

832
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 1: and grow and evolve a bobby. Where can people find you?

833
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: How can they connect with you online? I don't mean personally, physically, geographically.

834
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: Hi unfriendly? I want him, I'm looking for you.

835
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: See him about give him a cuddle, just maybe stand

836
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: back a little bit, just offer him some food, don't

837
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: get too close to his mouth. Where can they find

838
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: you online?

839
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 3: LinkedIn? Okay, all right, that's and well I have websites too,

840
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: but LinkedIn? Yeah, all right.

841
00:47:54,640 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: All right. He does have a podcast called yo.

842
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

843
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're fucking terrible at promoting yourself. Uh, TIF, thank

844
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: you any words of wisdom as we wind up?

845
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: TIF, that's it from me, mate, you're the you're the guru.

846
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: I'm just.

847
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm just the ship kicker. I'm just up the front

848
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: steering the ship. You're the captain. Thanks everyone,