WEBVTT - The Police's Theory About Katie Walker... 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.880 Trigger warning. Some listeners may find this podcast distressing. This 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:08.159 is a real story about a real person that is 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:12.440 still unfolding in real time, and any leads or information 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.800 from anybody out there may help the family either find 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:25.160 the answers or the closure they're desperately searching for. Katie Walker, 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:29.520 forty six, was last heard from over the phone on Friday, 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:33.879 the twenty second of May twenty twenty six, although it 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.640 was nine days later on June second, when her loved 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:41.080 ones realized that was the last contact anyone would have 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:45.000 with her. You see, Sydney hasn't been Katie's home for 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:49.640 a while now, nor has Australia. Katie, who was born 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.680 in Britain, found a passion in making jewelry and sustainability 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:57.080 and the environment early on, and then spent years traveling 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:01.320 while dividing her time between Australia and Asia, all while 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.560 falling in love with an Australian man, who, around the 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.679 time of her thirtieth birthday, she welcomed a daughter with, 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:12.160 then two years later they had a son. It's been 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:15.679 years now since Katie split from the Australian man, and 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.959 although he later settled back in Sydney, which is where 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:23.640 he's been raising their two now teenage children. Katie, who 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.240 is described as a free spirit by her friends, continued 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.240 traveling and settled in America for a while, where she 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:38.480 remarried an American man with the dream Sadly, though, that 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:43.360 marriage in America eventually ended, and earlier this year in February, 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:47.720 Katie returned to Sydney to try and slowly reconnect with 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:51.120 the family she'd gradually become quite distant from and have 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:55.520 a fresh start, telling her close friend Justine, who was 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:59.400 back in America, that she was remaining positive amongst all 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:00.520 of this change. Yeah. 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.200 I think for Katie she was definitely had a big 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:07.000 transition in her life. And with that, you know, it 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.560 could be an ungroundedness or an uncertainty. We often, you know, 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:15.240 all experience those seasons. I feel like, you know, she 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.799 relocated to Sydney because she wanted to be closer to 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:22.600 her children. You know, she was experiencing just kind of 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:28.560 I would say, the usual like some stressors. She had 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.639 been in Sydney not very long. She had lived in 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.200 another country prior to that, so there was a lot 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:39.200 of relocation stress. But in general she was a very optimistic. 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.880 Person, although Katie may have lived in a different country 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.320 to her children in recent years, she still spoke about 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.760 them as a proudest achievements to friends, and they were 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:52.640 also the driving force behind the ethical jewelry brand Believer 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:57.400 that Katie started in twenty thirteen, with proceeds from that 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.799 brand going to charity's War Child and World Land Trust. 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.640 We are War Child. Our mission is to protect, educate 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:11.359 and support children affected by conflict as many as possible, 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:18.359 as early as possible. Our story started thirty years ago 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.560 when children in conflict zones had no access to professional 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:26.120 psychological support. A visit to the former Yugoslavia in nineteen 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.800 ninety three by filmmakers David Wilson and b Leeson and 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:33.680 social entrepreneur willielm and Verlop would sow the seeds have 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:37.520 change to come. Our founders saw first stand how the 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:39.200 war was impacting innocent children. 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.560 In an interview with British Vogue back then, Katie said, 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.680 after reading the book Half the Sky by Nicholas D. 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.960 Christoff and visiting my sponsor child in Cambodia, I was 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.640 inspired to do more towards helping women and children in 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:58.920 developing countries. I have always loved nature and wildlife, and 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:02.200 it deeply saddens me to see what has and is 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:06.840 happening to our planet. When you have children, it forces 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.240 you to think about the future of the Earth and 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:13.200 what the next generation will inherit. I just want my 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:17.840 children to know I did my best. Those quotes from 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.320 Katie there maybe thirteen years old now, but. 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.880 That's still the woman her friends know her as. 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:29.240 She was now joyous in a lot of ways. I mean, 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.359 we all have our experiences that bring us down, but 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:36.240 she after times was she was a spiritual person. She 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.039 could kind of look beyond hardship in a lot of ways. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.480 She had a lot of positive qualities to. 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:47.640 Her despite being such a free spirit. Often the following 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:51.839 opportunity from country to country, Katie was consistently looking to 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:56.120 the future and thinking what's next, which is something another 0:04:56.120 --> 0:05:00.680 close friend, Elizabeth, who's also back in America, more than 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:01.320 knows about. 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:06.800 Yes, my name is Elizabeth Silk, and I'm here in Sedona, 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:11.960 and I met beautiful Katie a few years ago and 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:16.440 we started hanging out and went to LA and she's 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:23.039 a lot of fun funny, funny, funny, talented, so talented, 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.719 and she has written a book. So she's an author 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:34.719 and makes jewelry, and so we were actually talking about 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:42.000 doing a podcast ourselves and traveling around because together, I guess, 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:46.479 both of us being from England, we just crack each 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:51.360 other up, you know, and we're pretty funny. And so 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:55.320 she brings the kid out of me. And she used 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.440 to always tell me that I always make her laugh, 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.279 and she's do you always make me feel good? 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.279 Elizabeth in Sydney. 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:08.719 Despite one's calling this place home years ago, Katie's life 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:13.240 now she was back, was relatively small, which is why 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.640 it took nine days for people to realize she had disappeared. 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:21.280 Her beloved father Bissam, who is now funding the private 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:26.120 investigation into her disappearance, is based in the UK, and 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:30.159 her two closest friends who you've just heard from, Justine 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:35.640 and Elizabeth, they're back in Arizona. Who when Sydney did 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.600 start to feel a little lonely, Katie would tell how 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.880 much she missed them, but how she sadly couldn't return 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.240 there due to visa issues following her divorce in America, 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:46.000 but she. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.000 Just didn't want to be there anyway. She wanted to 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:50.960 come back to America really. 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.520 Yeah, And then that's where you and Justine were like 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:55.839 her support in America. 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.200 Then, yeah, I know that, and I said, you know, 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.800 well you could still come, you know, you can come 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:06.039 on just a regular visa, you know, and get your 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.560 you know, stay at my place until you can get 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:13.760 your stuff together or whatever. And I even recommended that, 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.960 you know, she go stay with her dad in England 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.240 until she got herself together, you know, because she was 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.400 just you know, flitting from place to place and didn't 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.880 really have anybody, even though you know, our family are there. 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.480 As far as I'm aware. At this point, it was 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.239 a phone call between Katie's father back in the UK 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.640 and Katie's ex partner in Australia, the father of her children, 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:40.320 when the alarm was first raised, as they both realized 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.320 that neither of them had hid from Katie in nine days. 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.400 This is when the police were called on June second, 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.800 and then two days later, June fourth, the police issued 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:55.560 a missing person's appeal where they wrote following inquiries, police 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.920 believe Katie's last no movements were at Bondai Beach around 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:03.160 seven forty pm on Saturday twenty third of May twenty 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:07.600 twenty six. Katie is described as being of Caucasian appearance, 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:11.760 about one hundred and sixty centimeters tall, of finn build, 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.480 with brown eyes and brown long hair. She has a 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:20.000 small black butterfly tattoo on her right hand. The issue 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.320 with that initial appeal, though, is not only is a 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:27.440 last known movement incorrect, which we'll get to, but the 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:31.800 physical description is inaccurate too, which was first pointed out 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:35.360 by Katie's cousin Kyla, who'd been responding to the few 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:39.800 accounts on social media appealing for information by commenting, We're 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.360 worried sick. Not only is the appeal out late, but 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:47.240 the information is inaccurate. Katie is about one hundred and 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:52.320 seventy two centimeters tall. To start with, physical descriptions are crucial. 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:56.920 That initial appeal also contained just one low quality picture 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:01.120 which is cropped in tight around her face, which those 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:03.880 that know Katie say doesn't even really look like her, 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.320 And if you had seen her around, you mayn't even 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.240 recognize her from that picture. 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.680 You know, Katie was like a very striking, beautiful woman. 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:16.160 She's not that somebody would walk past and not acknowledge 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.160 like she Surely people have seen her. 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.560 One day after that initial police appeal, where they put 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.679 Katie's picture and name on social media. A media outlet 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:29.400 who spotted it then searched Katie's name on LinkedIn, and 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.439 they confused her with Kate Walker, who had briefly worked 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.080 and married at First Site as a producer on the 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:39.079 show's twelfth season in twenty twenty four. This then led 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:43.319 to several articles across Australia, America and the UK all 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.640 about how a married at First Site producer has vanished 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.480 from Bondai Beach, each report then describing the wrong woman, 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.440 while then weaving in things about recent drama connected to 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:59.040 the reality show, much to the confusion of Katie's loved ones. 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.720 That's not even her, she wasn't a producer. Even this 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:06.079 is all just like I think, like detracting from the 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:09.440 real thing. Like we've known each other for five years, 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:13.600 five years to this month, and in five years of 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.160 close friendship, she never once said I was a producer. 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:21.360 I am a producer. It's just like it's completely distracting. 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:26.480 Several days later, now Juni eleventh, New South Wales Police 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:31.520 issued a reappeal with updated information and now after investigating 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:35.280 and tracking CCTV, they described the outfit Kasey was wearing 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:40.240 During that last known sighting on May twenty third, Katie 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.400 was wearing a black jacket, jeans, high heels, and a 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:47.720 small red handbag. It read that small red handbag to 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.160 me at least, is potentially the key to people remembering 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:55.360 Katie and coming forward with any information, because it wasn't 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:59.080 just any old random handbag. It was a Fasace MEDUSA 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:03.760 ninety five top handle handbag in red leather, which is 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.480 worth around four thousand dollars and to those with an 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:10.080 eye for fashion, which, let's be honest, is most women 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:14.520 in Sydney's Eastern suburbs, it represents a distinct era of 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:18.640 the Sachi design and is quite a unique piece. So 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.600 although people around the East may never have quite registered 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.560 Katie's face, I would take a guess that a lot 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.839 of women out there would have at least subconsciously made 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.920 a note of that design of red bag that Katie 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:33.040 was rarely without. 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.160 She was magnetic, Like every time we went to places, 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.600 people would stop and say, you're so beautiful. I mean, 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:45.440 she was like extraordinarily beautiful. So I think that just 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:51.160 surely people have seen her, noticed her, saw something that 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:52.720 could be potentially helpful. 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:57.440 The police's reappeal also updated Katie's last known sighting to 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:01.800 the beachside suburb of Tamarama, with CCTV capturing her at 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:05.920 one twelve pm on Alexander Street. This is six hours 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.079 and twenty eight minutes earlier than what they initially put 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.760 us a last known movement in Bondai Beach at seven 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.880 forty pm in their first appeal. In that grainy image 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:20.680 from the CCTV on Alexander Street, Katie is seen with 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.960 her beloved red Fasachi bag on her arm and wearing 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.559 a pair of skinny jeans and sky high stiletto boots, 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:32.880 walking south down Alexander Street. If you're unfamiliar with this area, please, 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.280 while listening now open Google Maps on your phone or 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:39.760 computer and type in Alexander Street, Tamarama so you can 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.800 really envision what I'm now going to describe. Alexander Street 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.600 is a block away from Max Park, and Katie was 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:51.120 walking south down Alexander Street onto Gaelock Avenue and towards 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:55.160 McKenzie's Bay, two local hotspots which are both on the 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:59.240 world famous Bondai to Kudji Coastal Walk and both just 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:03.000 around the corner from Tamarama Beach. Not that Katie was 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.560 dressed to be heading to either of those tourist traps 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:10.040 which are always so full of people, even on an overcast, 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:14.559 drizzly day like that Saturday, May twenty third, at one 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.920 twelve pm, which is just after lunchtime. It's the middle 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.280 of the day on the busiest day of the week 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:24.000 for anybody in the area doing that coastal walk. As 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.120 I said, though Katie wasn't dressed to be doing anything 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:31.720 like that. She was dressed to impress. She was looking 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.360 like she may be off to a boozy brunch, perhaps 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.840 at local hot spot Totties or Icebergs, who are somewhere 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.280 just as glamorous. But Katie never made it to wherever 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.680 she was going. And despite the suburb of Tamarama having 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:48.439 a fair amount of CCTV scattered across it, there are 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.720 so many blind spots. And after that camera captured her 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:57.320 at one twelve on Alexander Street walking onto Gayelock Avenue, 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:04.640 Katie was never seen again. This is now where the 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:09.400 story becomes quite dark, I'm afraid, but everything you're about 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.400 to hear is crucial information. 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:12.920 And again I'll. 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.840 Say trigger warning here because this podcast will now discuss 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:20.040 theories of suicide, which some listeners may find distressing, and 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:24.240 even me personally, I do find this distressing and even 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.440 quite insensitive to have to speculate and something as serious 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.920 as what you're about to hear. But when I tell 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:33.320 this story, Katie's story, this is a huge part of it, 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.720 and these are the reasons her friends and family are 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:41.000 just refusing to accept what some may say feels obvious 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:45.200 following their initial lines of inquiry, and according to Katie's 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.480 loved ones, the police have the working theory that after 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:53.120 stepping past that camera on Alexander Street, Katie then continued 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:57.160 fifty meters down the road onto Gayelock Avenue, and I 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.720 believe Katie then crossed Gayelock Avenue and walked down a 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.400 set of stone steps which led onto the bonde as 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.680 a Cudgie coastal walk. They believe Katie then stepped over 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.640 that paved track, climbed down onto the rocks that led 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:13.640 into Mackenzie Bay, still in her high heels and clutching 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:17.320 that red Fasachi bag, and they believe she potentially then 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:22.760 walked into the ocean, which Katie's friends and family they 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:26.960 can just not comprehend. Has Katie ever openly like discussed 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.960 depression then or mental health were anything like this. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.320 No, And to be honest with you, in my time 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.600 that I've been close friends with her for her, it 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:39.120 had never once crossed my mind that she would be 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.400 somebody that would choose to in her own life just 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:46.960 based off of her character, her just her personality. It 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.840 not once crossed my mind, even in the last several months. 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.160 And it isn't just because the Katie they know and 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.360 love they don't think would ever admit defeat like that, 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.480 but also because of just a brutal reality of going 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.080 out that way. Yeah. One thing that stood out to me, 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.160 which maybe is an odd detail, but in the in 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:10.800 the CCTV, you know that last image, she is dressed impeccably, 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.200 like you know, the the very high heels, the designer 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:17.160 bag ye, and then like where the police believe she 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:18.520 then went down towards the water. 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:19.000 You've got to. 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.680 Scale over quite a lot of rocks and wooden puffs 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:23.600 and stone like that. 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.160 It just, yeah, it doesn't make sense. 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:32.240 You know. My thinking around that too is unless one 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:37.240 is impaired, you know, survival instincts like walking out into 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.200 the ocean as a means to endure life seems like 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.880 a very impractical way of doing so, purely from like 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:51.080 a survival perspective. Survival instinct perspective too, so to me, 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.400 that just seems like something that is even for she 0:16:54.520 --> 0:17:00.120 wasn't like adrenaline junkie she you know she was, and 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.520 like as somebody that would be like maybe more apt 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:10.760 to withstand that from a physiologic standpoint, it just seems 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.440 not in alignment with her. 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:16.840 To the police, this theory does seem plausible, as the 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:21.240 stretch of Pacific Ocean coastline that lines Sydney's eastern suburbs 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.679 can be deadly and it has claimed so many lives before. 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.159 And if Katie didn't vanish into the unknown of the ocean, 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:33.120 will where did she disappear to? But again, Katie's loved 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.720 ones are just struggling to accept this, not just because 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:38.840 they don't want to believe that the woman they loved 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.119 would end up feeling so lost and alone that this 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.160 was her only option, but also because of the lack 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.960 of proof to this theory, and also the long list 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.160 of other things that suggest there may be something more 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.960 sinister to this story, which we will get to. 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.840 That I definitely intuitively feel like there's a big part 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:59.200 of the story that's missing and there needs to be 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:04.879 advocate for her because there's something that's not adding up. Also, 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:09.680 in my limited perspective, you know, if somebody did choose 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.160 to end their life, and I'm imagining Sindny's a well 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:15.479 monitored city with lots of CCTV, why isn't there more 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:17.240 information about her last sighting? 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.159 For now though, and to give some more context to 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:24.240 anyone listening who is unfamiliar with Mackenzie's Bay or the 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:28.160 bond Ei to Kulji Coastal Walk. This is Australia's most 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:32.560 famous track and it has roughly eight thousand visitors daily, 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.800 even on a gray, drizzly Saturday like May twenty third. 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.840 So if this did happen and Katie did do this 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:45.639 in broad daylight on a Saturday afternoon at this spot, 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:51.720 how did nobody see anything. I've been to Alexander Street 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:55.439 multiple times while investigating this, and I've stood where that 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:59.280 last sighting was and then attempted to retrace Katie's steps. 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:04.719 But this theory, it just doesn't make sense. Okay, So 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:08.639 I'm back on Alexander Street, stood outside the house with 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.120 the camera that captured Katie for the very last time. 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:17.040 It's two twenty six on a random Wednesday. It's overcast, 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:23.080 very similar to the weather the day she disappeared. But 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:27.080 there's still people around there, still endless cars going past 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:29.359 me right now. These trade is on a house around 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:31.720 the corner. There's a hostel around the corner. 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:39.000 Like this isn't the middle of nowhere? Someone would have 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:39.960 seen her. 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.560 I'm now going to retrace the steps that the police 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:47.160 think Katie did. So it's two twenty seven now I 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:48.280 am walking past. 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:51.480 That house down on to get a. 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:58.840 Lot avenue, so this is all residential again, a lot 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:04.200 of cars going past me. The police believe she stayed 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:05.960 on the right side of the road because if she 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:09.520 crossed and went on the left, there was one camera 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:11.160 in a house that would have picked her up. 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:13.600 So I'm on the right side of the road again. 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:15.880 You can hear all the cars and blessly just middle 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:24.359 a ban on a Wednesday, not a Saturday. The weather 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:26.240 right now, actually there's a wind picking up, and it's 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.399 very similar to what it was on May twenty third, 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:31.040 like overcast. 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:35.360 Gray, rain on and off. But still people are out 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:39.400 to my right. 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:44.160 There is now two construction sites where you can hear 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:48.640 that a house she's being built. So trades do work 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.600 on Saturdays, so one twelve that would have been busy. 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:53.919 It's taken me just less than a minute now to 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.520 get to the steps. The police believed she then went down. 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:01.399 I'm now just turning onto the steps and I can 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:03.760 see just from the top hair down on the coastal track. 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:07.119 That's one two, three, four, five, six, ten, eleven. 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:10.359 To fourteen people, fourteen people. 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:13.439 There right now. It's starting to rain. It's middle of 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:15.879 the day in the week, so you are there's a 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:19.920 fifteenthive runners just compassed these four people behind me the trade, 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:23.159 so imagine on a Saturday, just how many people and 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:35.680 then the steps to go down. That's one two, three, four, five, six, seven, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:43.920 eighteen steps now nineteen twenty, twenty one, twenty two, twenty three, 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:48.240 twenty four, twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight. Okay, 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:51.159 now I'm on the coastal track and that is a 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:53.800 lot of stairs, these concrete ones, and like in that 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:57.040 last image, we've spoken about what Katie is wearing. She's 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:01.600 wearing the highest of heels, like I mean, I've never 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:04.280 wore heels. Any women listening to this, I'm sure you 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:07.480 can say that would be difficult. 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:08.919 And there's no rail or anything. 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:10.840 And now I'm on the track and I can see 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:13.240 again this full stretch of Mackenzie's Bay. 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:14.280 That's one, two, four vers six. 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:19.200 Then I can see twenty seven people just in twenty 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:22.840 seven in the rain on a Wednesday. 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:26.720 So again, imagine this on a Saturday. 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:28.800 There's just no way if she could have done what 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:32.000 the police kind of have a theory of. From those 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:36.040 stone steps, it's then seven steps over the paved Bonnights 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:39.879 Country Coastal track, and then to get down the rocks, 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:43.240 it's I've just stepped down a big one. Here, I'm 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:46.720 going down a live drop which gradually goes down. This 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:52.040 is very uneven, it's slippery. Now I kind of have 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.280 to climb one sech. 0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:57.760 A slight bit. 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:01.000 You can hear the ocean now, but I still have 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:05.240 to climb down another two sections. 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:08.840 And this is in full view of the coastal track. 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:09.840 Like all those people have. 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:13.040 Said walking that there, a lot of them are now 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:17.080 looking at me thinking why is this person going down here? 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:19.480 So let alone again on a Saturday. 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:24.800 Imagine Katie, if she was doing this, Katie dressed how 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:27.560 she was dressed, those tiny heels, There's no way she 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:30.280 could have gone down to where I now. I'm in 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:32.560 those heels, people who are even looking at me, and 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:35.360 I'm kind of dressed inactive where like like I look 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:39.320 like I'm out for this walk. In the last CCTV image, 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:42.560 Katie's read for Satchi bag, it isn't strapped to her, 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:46.160 It's draped over her forearm. And if she had walked 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:49.080 into the water, that bag would either have been left 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:52.480 behind on those rocks meet us from that busy track 0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:55.399 and visible to everyone, or it would have washed back 0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:58.360 to the rocks very quickly once she'd let go of it. 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:04.960 Then I now have to climb down a lot for that. 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:06.400 Again. This is very slippy. 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:09.440 You can hear the waves now, and the waves are 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:13.400 slamming against these rocks and looking at it here and 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:14.439 the swell. 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:18.199 If I now were to climb or. 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:21.600 You can jump, it's like two meters and it's not 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:23.120 like a deep plunge. 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:26.960 It's still a lot more rocks and this water it would. 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:31.040 Just slam me back against where I'm now stood. 0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:35.680 Stood here at the water's edge in Mackenzie's Bay as well. 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:39.520 When I look to the right, I can see Bronze Beach. 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:42.120 I can see so much of the coastal track as 0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:45.879 it loops around towards Couldie. If I look to the left, 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:48.360 I can't see too far because then it turns around 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:49.280 into Bundai. 0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:51.840