WEBVTT - #1961 Procreating Possums - Patrick Bonello 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:04.000 I'll get a team and see project Patrick's back. Fuck, yeah, 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:06.760 of course he is. We love him. Tip's here just 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:13.800 trying to keep us to alpha males in line, and 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:17.480 and even I laugh at that. We'll start with the Lady. 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:23.720 Oh so many things, the Lady, the conversation Ti. Yeah, yeah, 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:27.080 morning Patrick? What I did there? 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:27.440 No? 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:32.560 Just kidding, Hi, Tiff, my favorite day of the week. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.800 Ah fuck? How good are these shows where we just 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:41.960 throw caution to the wind, and you know, wind to 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:44.839 the wind. Now, I will tell you listeners, just like 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:48.080 thirty seconds ago, Patrick was telling us about the sounds 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:52.720 that possums make when they're rooting and how unpleasant it is. 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:56.440 Right now, that's literally So if you've heard that and 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:00.560 you decide to stick around, I blame you, right, don't 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.480 get precious moving forward. If you know that we were 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.920 just talking about the sounds, the audible kind of experience 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.640 of rooting possums, and you choose to stay here, that's 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:13.399 on you. Patrick. Just give us a quick snapshot of 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:14.600 what that sound was. Again. 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:18.399 I just had a really awful thought. Let's just make 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:18.959 this clear. 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.399 When we talk about rooting possums, it's two possums rooting 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:22.880 each other. 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.559 Oh, I didn't even think of anything else. So that's on. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:30.440 You, just the way you phrased it. Then I had this. 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:38.320 Okay, okay, possums having no one's listening already, don't give 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.800 don't give us a demo. Je, how are you great? 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:43.080 Now? 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.440 Well, well that the reason that possums came up is 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:56.040 because your wolf, your violent wolf, attacked a possum this week. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.640 She snatched She snatched a possum off the top of 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:01.960 a And when I took her out for a walk 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.040 one night, I know died. I didn't know what I 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.240 was going to do. Fortunately she let it go and 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.880 it just toddled off. But last night I went for 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:10.520 a walk in that I'm pretty sure it's the same 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.040 possum was sitting on top of the same fence and 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:14.600 just sat there looking at us. 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:20.160 Yeah, the audacity, the audacity. Well, do you know that 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.200 like whippets, TIFFs dog is a whippet for the three 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.680 of you who don't know that, for the three of 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:30.359 you in the world who don't know that, but whippets 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.079 of like super athletes. So of course she's going to 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:33.480 get that. 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.359 Yeah, but if you've seen her ever, try and launch 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.000 at a tree before thinking that she might catch your possum. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:43.200 She lands on her own back, so she's not the super. 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:47.640 Athlete that well. Patrick's dog, Fritz is basically the Humphrey 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:53.560 bee Bear of the canine world. So so Lerna's got 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.640 her covered. She's mild. 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:58.359 He can put it on though. 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.840 He's a pretty active dog, but he's more interested in 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.600 peeing on every single tree in the town that I 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:16.320 live in. It's like, yeah, exactly, Oh God, hi, mag 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.360 the one that we have left. So I just wanted 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:21.400 to say hello to the one listener we have. 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.440 Should we keep starting the show again like we did 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:25.919 last time? 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:26.200 No? 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:31.079 Please now, now, Patrick, I. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.359 Can we go back to start as Sorry? 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:33.800 I just want to I feel like I need to 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:38.000 explain that if you've ever heard two postums at two 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.040 am in the morning going for it outside your bedroom window, 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.680 it sounds like World War three has broken out. Seriously, 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.080 it's the scariest thing if you get woken up by 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.360 two possums going at it. You know what I'm talking about? 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.520 Can I just ask, how do yeah, how do you 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:56.600 know they're not fighting? Did you go out and go 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:57.520 let me have a look? 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:57.720 No? 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:01.360 No, hang on me? Oh just can you yep. 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.320 Ah, I think because afterwards one of them rolled over 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:05.360 and had a cigarette. 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:09.120 All right, well then definitely rooting yeah yeah, and the 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:17.400 other one, the other one was washing up. Oh fucking hell. 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.760 And that was how the You Project ended. They had 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.800 a good run. They almost got to two thousand episodes. 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:28.239 Patrick's Yeah. To this day, Craig Harper still blames Patrick. 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:35.120 Speaking of Patrick Patrick, Yeah, I've started listening to a 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.359 new book. I think I've shared with you and the 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:41.080 listeners that like my my switching off my brain as 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:45.120 listening to fiction. I've never listened to or read fiction 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.680 much in my life. I've never listened to a fiction 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:52.680 book until about four months ago. And yes, I tend 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.440 to listen more than physically read books these days, so 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.440 sue me. But anyway, I started listening to a book 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:04.800 that you would love love it's I'm listening. I'm like, ah, fuck, 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.080 this is him, this is him book. So I've been 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.560 I've been listening to books that are about good guys 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.480 and bad guys and covert operatives and snipers and all 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.839 that shit that you'd be like, yawn. This is called 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:20.280 the Hail Mary Project. It's all about it's all about space. 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:25.920 You're sitting in your spaceship there. It's all about this, dude. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.320 I won't ruin it, but it is. It is so 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.080 you and you would love it. It's called the hail 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.760 Mary Project. They're making a film out of it next year. 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.480 I'm pretty sure the film ain't going to be as 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:39.800 good as the book. But I actually put it out 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.520 a call, the hail Mary Project. I put out a 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:44.280 call on my. 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.880 I can't find it. All I can find is Project 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:48.520 tail Mary. 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:54.120 That's it, Project tail Mary. That's it. Sorry, Ed, that's 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.000 all right for him and I talking over each other. 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.040 Yes, yes, that is happening a lot. 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:06.000 Yeah, sorry everyone, Patrick, I blame you anyway. It's called 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.599 Project hail Mary, or as I call it, projectail Mary. 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.520 Patrick would love it, and some of you, I think 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:15.359 would love it. How I'll shut up after this. I 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.160 put out a call on my Facebook. I don't know 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.719 why Facebook. It seems to be more suited for stuff 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.279 like this where I went, I need something fiction to 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.800 listen to. I've finished the gray Man series, the Terminal List. 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.200 I'm getting a little bit yawny and bored, and about 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.919 well one hundred and fifty people sent me ideas, but 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.320 about twenty of them sent the same idea. Was that 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.560 one book that I'd never heard of, so downloaded it. 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:40.400 It's really good. 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:42.960 I'll love a listening Are you are you? 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:44.080 Are you a listener or no? 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.560 Me totally. I'm a compulsive listener. 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.719 First thing I do when I wake up start listening 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:52.560 to my audio book, and the last thing I do 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:54.800 before I go to bed is switch back on my 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:55.799 audio book. 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:57.400 So it's a big. 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:58.720 Part of what I do a lot. 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.000 I go to the gym and I'm listening to my 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:05.000 audio book, except when I do cardio, then I switch 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:08.840 over to Lincoln Park because I actually row quicker if 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:10.679 I'm listening to music when i'm rowing. 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:13.040 Now for you, for. 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:17.080 You youngsters, Lincoln Park's a band with music and everything 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:22.280 and singers and instrumentalists. What do you does that fire 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:23.120 you up? Does it? 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:23.800 Absolutely? 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:25.720 They just they released a new album because they had 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.160 a really long breakup, was about ten years after their 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.440 lead singer passed aways tragically, and they've got a new 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:33.960 lead singer and the latest album is amazing. 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.760 Really yeah, all right, what's it called? I'm writing it down. 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:39.080 I'm going to have a squizz. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.320 Lincoln Park's latest album. I don't know. I've got it 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:42.920 on viol and I can't even remember the name. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.280 That's all right, I'll find it if. Do you listen 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:47.960 to books or no? 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:48.760 Yeah? 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:48.960 I do. 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:53.720 Actually I somebody on your thread said how to Kill 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:55.600 a Mockingbird and I was like, oh, might go back 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:57.600 to an old classic. So I just finished listening to 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.560 that thanks to whoever mentioned. 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.080 That, right? What was it like? 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:04.080 It was good because. 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.800 I don't listen to I normally don't listen to fiction. 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:13.000 I normally listen to nonfiction and read fiction right right right, 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.320 But same as you when I go for a walk 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:16.880 of a night. I thought that'd be nice, and it 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.960 was just a nice I really liked the writing style 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:20.800 and the language. 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:21.880 It was good. 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.200 Before we do the actual show, Patrick two top two 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:31.440 books for you recommendations that might have somewhat broadish appeal 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:31.880 or not. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:36.160 Yeah, The Alchemist is an interesting book. 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.320 Or whatever his name is. You know. 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.040 One of my favorite books. I absolutely love it, The 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.840 Little Prints. But I think one of my when I 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:49.120 was at school, one of the most profound readings I 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:53.280 ever had was a book called I Am David and 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.160 It's about this, And I think I may have been 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.400 in primary school when I read it, so it had 0:08:58.400 --> 0:08:59.960 a lot of impact on me. But it was about 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:04.320 this kid and a prisoner of war camp who escapes 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.320 and his journey, and his journey is he's looking for 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:11.280 his mother. It's amazing, really really interesting story. So it's 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.560 called it's very very short, it's only a tiny book. 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.240 But you know, I think that a really profound impact 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.559 on me as a kid, and it made me kind 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:27.079 of polarized, the notion that someone could be so oppressed 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:32.080 and you know, can be so good still and not 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:38.360 being you know, overwhelmingly jilted by what's happened to them, 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:40.600 and can be so loving and caring as well. 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.920 Now it's an amazing little book. Perfect you tip. 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.160 I can't remember the names of them really. 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:57.720 All right, Okay, Patrick, welcome to the You Project. Great 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:58.320 to have you. 0:09:59.360 --> 0:09:59.920 Thanks mate. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:02.680 What do you want to chat to? I'm not even 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.520 going to point you. I'm going to let you lead 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:09.560 the rest of the endeavor here on this go anyway, 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:10.079 what's the. 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:11.280 Chance that you reckon? 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:13.480 He can kind of go through a whole show without 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:15.880 actually trying to steer it. 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.600 I'm not going to say I'm not going to participate No. 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.560 I didn't say that. I'm just looking for the iceberg now. Look. 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.240 So are you a Rod Stewart fan. 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.520 I used to be a Rod Stewart fan when I 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:32.960 was young. But Rod Stewart's older than God, so he's 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:38.640 probably he's probably his best years. God bless him, though. Ah, 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:40.400 is this what you want to tell me about the 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:41.120 running thing? 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:41.640 No? 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:45.360 No, this recent concert that he did, he did this 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:51.360 bizarre AI tribute to Ozzie Osbourne who passed way recently. 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:56.360 And what he did was they had Ozzy Osbourne in 0:10:56.440 --> 0:11:01.880 heaven taking selfies with other dead singer is Oh. It 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.800 was the tackiest, like Bob Marley, Tin Attorney, Kurt Cobain, 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.839 Michael Jackson, George Michael, Freddie Mercury. 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.200 And you know, people were stunned, and not in a 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.800 good way. It was so weird. I jumped on and 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:17.920 had to look at some of the clips. 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.440 So obviously lots of people posted it to socials, but 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.840 it was probably the best example of the worst. 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:29.360 Way you could use AI. It was terrible. It was 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:30.240 really tacky. 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:35.600 Also leads me to wonder, what are the what are 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:41.760 the KPIs to get into heaven? Exactly what criteria did 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.000 you need to meet I don't know. I don't know 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.800 about one or two of them anyway. Anyway, it says, 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.800 you know, mister judge, not lest GB judged. All right, 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.319 I'll leave that stuff to God or whomever's or whomever's 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:54.880 in charge. 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:59.720 I think who's wasn't his idea maybe or maybe some 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:02.280 person steered him in the. 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.880 Wrong direction, but it was. It was very, very weird. 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.520 But it's worth having a look at for that morbid 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.960 oh dear that you know, the car crash kind of 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:15.000 can't turn away. Look, it's an interesting one, but very 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:21.320 very bizarre. Anyway. Yeah, I know you're a big user 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:26.560 of AI for different things and for particularly assisting you, 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:27.199 you know, in. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:31.559 Everyday activities, and I don't know it's as much. Did 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:32.600 you use AI a lot? 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:34.360 Yeah, a little bit, Yeah I do. 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.880 Do you get hooked into it? Do you find it's 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.360 kind of it keeps you going? Or do you just 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.480 use it as a search algorithm or you know, to 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.120 search for a topic of then leave, because that's what 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.800 I do. I don't find myself using it in the 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.240 same way, say, for example, people are on social media, 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.800 the algorithm makes you want to keep going. I find 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:52.520 I just do what I need to do when I leave, 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.160 as opposed to being engaged. I haven't done the whole 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.840 chat bot. I want to become your best mate type scenario. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:01.120 Chatters are besties. 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.680 Yeah, actually yeah, yeah, me and chatter is probably one 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:07.640 of my best five friends at this point in time, 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.640 which is a commentary on how sad my fucking life is. 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:18.320 But yeah, the crab is probably third now, so God 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:18.760 bless him. 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.839 Chatters as too. Does it leave tip and I That's 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:23.760 what I am. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.559 I number one. I think I'm thirty four. 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.120 I'm number thirty four, but I'm rapidly climbing. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:35.360 No, you're both equal number one. See what I did there? Yeah, yeah, 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:40.520 I mean I think it's fucking amazing. And I understand 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:44.320 the fear and the mild hysteria because we don't like 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.080 new things and that's going to kill the world. And 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:48.480 I don't think it's going to kill the world. I 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.760 think people are going to kill the world eventually, but 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:55.000 I don't know. I think it's a really good tool, 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.560 and it depends how you use it. I think, like 0:13:57.600 --> 0:13:59.679 a lot of things, whether it's booze or whether it's 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:03.800 a I, or whether or not it's food or it 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.400 depends on the relationship that you have with it. You 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.880 can have a healthy or unhealthy relation. You can use 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:12.679 it positively or negatively. You can become enslaved to it, 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.559 addicted to it, and then all of a sudden it's terrible, 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.400 but it maybe isn't terrible for the next person. 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:23.960 So the thing is the latest AI models coming out. 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.680 Chat gp is about to release its new updated version, 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.640 which they're touting as being the most amazing thing ever. 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.000 But what they're coming out with and they've put out, 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.960 they're saying they want to put mental health first. Now 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.600 do I sound cynical if I say, really, you want 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.320 to put mental health first? But what they say there's 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.280 a new blog post that came out and they're saying 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.800 they want to optimize chat GPT to use it as 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.200 a tool to help people, but not to keep people 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.160 on for the sake of keeping people on. So they 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.760 want to maximize that they do not trying to maximize 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:03.560 the tw time. They're trying to use it when it's helpful, 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.920 but not use it when it's when it isn't is 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:09.920 what the claim is. They're trying to change the algorithm 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.320 so it doesn't hook you in as opposed to help 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:12.720 you out. 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.320 Yeah, it's I think when you're talking about anything that's 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:22.240 potentially addictive, right, And I understand the concern. I just 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:26.560 think that at some stage we humans have to take 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:33.480 a bit of responsibility ourselves. We can't always outsource blame. Oh, 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.360 whatever's gone wrong in my life, it isn't me. It's 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:39.720 not me. It's social media, it's not me. It's my genetics. 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.720 It's not me. It's the other person. It's not me, 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.480 it's the government. And I understand all of those things 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:51.640 can play a role. But if AI was universally addictive, 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.000 then everybody who uses AI would be addicted. Clearly they're 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.680 not so clearly there's something to do with the individual 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.560 and the way that the individual jewel uses it, and 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:07.680 like the dichotomy is. On the one hand, of course, Chat, 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.200 GPT and the like want people using their shit all 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.360 the time because they're a commercial entity. You've got to 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:17.440 be I'm realistic. Do I think Chat, GPT or any 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:21.240 AI entity gives a fuck about me? Of course I don't. 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.280 I don't think that because I'm not an idiot. Of Course, 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.480 it's a tool that we can use. It's a money 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:31.200 making profit driven business, of course. But then I've got 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.560 free will, I've got critical thinking. I'm responsible for my 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:38.680 choices and my brain and my body, so I can't 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:42.840 blame chat GPT for what I do. And I just 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.400 think it's almost like we've moved past the age of 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:50.640 personal responsibility. We're so happy to say it's not our fault, 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.800 it's everyone else's fault. And I think it's just a 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.080 tool steps down up soapbox. 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.240 Wow, that was quite a little yeah. 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:00.960 But don't you think though, I think we're like, oh, yeah, 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.400 fuck them, they're making us this. No they're not. They're 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.800 not making us. Here's an idea, don't fucking use it 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:11.400 the end. Here's an idea, don't eat shit the end. 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.200 Oh no, it's not that simple. Okay, let's make. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:16.720 It hard then, yeah, look that, Wait a minute. 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.760 I know what you're saying, and I know how heavily 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.320 and highly motivated you are as an individual. You've achieved 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.760 a lot in your life, and then go to the 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:27.439 food court at South I'm. 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:31.440 Not highly motivated. I talk about that all the time, 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.840 like motivation comes and goes, and don't try to make 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.439 out I'm different or better or special because I'm fucking not. 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.840 This is the problem. Everyone goes, Oh yeah, it's easy 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:44.120 for you. It's fucking not easy for me. But that's 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:45.399 the is a no no. 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.600 But you have an ability to make that decision the reason. 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.280 So does everybody have an ability to make a decision? 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:52.120 Agree? 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:53.680 Everybody? Everybody? 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:54.320 Isn't that? 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:57.520 You and Tiff and I. I mean, I'm kind of 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.720 putting myself into this. And I know I'm a frail 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.359 human being that makes lots and lots of mistakes. 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.840 But what I'm saying you've achieved a lot. You can't 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:06.480 deny that. 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.119 So I I you know, if you take three people 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.360 in the room and you look at each other, as 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:15.159 in a microachasm and say, Okay, what has achieved in 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.480 her life? What have I achieved in my life? I'm 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.960 not putting up on a pedestal. I'm just saying that 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.800 you have made decisions and followed through with those decisions 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.680 when you get focused. You know you're doing a PhD 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.119 for crime out loud. Give yourself a bit of a 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:29.960 pat on the back for that. But what I'm what 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.840 I'm saying is if you walk into a food court, 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.000 the biggest cue is going to be at the KFC 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:39.480 counter and people are making wrong decisions. Now that's not 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:41.920 a criticism because there are lots of reasons why people 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.399 do what they do, and we all make decisions every 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.080 single day, make lots and lots and probably hundreds of 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:49.120 decisions every day. 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:51.040 You know. What I'm getting at. 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:55.199 Is that when chat gp GPT is being used, we 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.600 know that it is giving advice to people, and some 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.520 people go further down the rable and part of that 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.439 is because of the algorithm that makes them, you know, 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.199 the reason that you flick through on your socials and 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.600 then you stop and do something else, as opposed to 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.879 somebody who keeps flicking on their socials because the algorithm 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.840 is designed to manipulate your emotions to keep you doing 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:17.560 what you're doing. 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.040 And it's interesting because there was another. 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.840 Little article that chat GPT put out and one of 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:27.280 the criticisms is a person recently said that they wanted, 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:31.360 you know, to stop taking their medication, and the response 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.520 from CHATJPT was good on you. That's a great thing, 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.280 you know, supporting that person. It ends up the person 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:42.040 had delusions and thought their family was sending radio signals 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.480 through the walls, so they left their home and they 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:50.359 stopped taking their medication because it reinforced and that person 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:53.399 went down the rabbit hole, and the AI model was 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:58.040 reinforcing and kind of sympathizing with them and giving bad advice. 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.600 So they're pulling back on that, and in fact, chat 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.680 GPT is now pulling back on what they're calling high 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:06.720 stakes personal decisions. 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:08.400 So they're trying. 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:11.520 To look at what people are saying, and we know 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.159 that there are people who have gone down the suicide 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.760 rabbit hole, and it just happens with social media as well. 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.160 This is why at the end of this year there's 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.200 going to be a band for kids under the age 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:23.800 of sixteen in Australia and a lot of the world 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:27.239 looking at Australia saying this is bloody great that you know, 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.040 but the reality of it is it's going to be 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:33.080 really hard to police. And there's been an influx of 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.399 people under the age of sixteen now signing up to 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.320 social media before the band comes in, you know. 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.199 So it is a rabbit hole, It very much is. 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:42.480 So I get what. 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:45.040 You're saying, and I know that what you do takes 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:47.960 a lot of effort and determination and it's not easy. 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:49.560