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Speaker 1: I get a you bloody Champions, Welcome another installment The

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Speaker 1: Year Project. Tiffany and Cook, Peter Brian, Kevin, Mannix Shepherd.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure why Mannix man. We'll start with Cook,

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Speaker 1: who's in the top left square.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Cook, I don't know where you find all the

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Speaker 2: random names that just fall out of your mouth when

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Speaker 2: you do it.

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Speaker 1: You know, can I tell you the etymology, No, not

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Speaker 1: the etymology, the origin story of all of those names

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Speaker 1: that I tend to spout. So when I was growing

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Speaker 1: up way back, you know, just after Jesus passed away,

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Speaker 1: so my dad, my dad, he used to tell me

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Speaker 1: real deal. His name was Ronald Edward Patrick Nan Patrick Personval,

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Speaker 1: Clarence Terrence James Ambrose Alowish's Harper. And I thought till

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Speaker 1: I was about sixteen, that was his real name, Ronald

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Speaker 1: Edward Personal, Clarence Terrence, James Ambrose Alowish's Harper. And I

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Speaker 1: never even asked, but he would say that on repeat,

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Speaker 1: and so that's what I thought he real name was.

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Speaker 1: That's the best story ever. So I grew up, yeah,

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Speaker 1: with that kind of bullshit. And you explain, basically, well,

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Speaker 1: you become your parents fuck, which that is not a

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Speaker 1: good thing. But anyway, God bless him. What is your

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Speaker 1: actual middle name? Jonathan?

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Speaker 3: But I just have to say, it's no wonder where

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Speaker 3: you get your piss taking from, given that was what

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Speaker 3: your old man used to do to you.

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Speaker 1: Ah. My man used to constantly bullshit me about things,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't know he was bullshitting me, so I

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Speaker 1: would just be like, no, that's really my dad's name,

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Speaker 1: and everyone's like, I don't think it is. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: it really is, and they're like, you're thirty. Stop. Ah,

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Speaker 1: we'll start with We'll start with the lady because we've

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Speaker 1: got to be respectful from the school I haven't seen yet.

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Speaker 1: Do you like that that I called you a lady? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well we What have you been up to today, lady?

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Speaker 2: I've been I went Do you know what I went for?

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Speaker 2: I went for a walk with one of your mates.

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Speaker 1: I don't have any mates, but go.

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Speaker 2: On Nicole Ladell. She's in town. I met her for

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Speaker 2: a walk and some brecky. Then I come home, did

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Speaker 2: a party. I've been head down, tail up since then.

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Speaker 1: What is she doing in Melps?

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Speaker 2: She was coming to do some rail crossing analysis.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right, she's she's part of a PhD. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's wow. Can I just ask here? You rubbing moisturizer

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Speaker 1: onto your hands?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: So I was do you reckon you could do that

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Speaker 1: before we start? I mean, you know, I don't want

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Speaker 1: you to be totally present, but could you leave your

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Speaker 1: fucking beauty regime? I don't know before or after the show.

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Speaker 1: I don't ask too much as an employer, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: I feel like if you're rubbing shit in your hands,

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Speaker 1: you're not at optimal kind of operating system. You don't

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Speaker 1: see Pete rubbing anything into himself. No, I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: find some moisturizer. I might join it. I feel like

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Speaker 1: my hands are feeling a bit drying. Ow tif Maybe

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Speaker 1: we should bring you into the show, seeing as you

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Speaker 1: are the focal point, but allegedly not yet yet. Hi Pete,

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Speaker 1: how are you? I'm great? How are you?

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Speaker 3: Craig Anthony? I've forgotten all those middle lams already. I

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Speaker 3: was going to try and repeat him back to you,

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Speaker 3: but I've forgotten very good.

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Speaker 1: Craig Anthony. Is that that's more than enough? How's you?

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Speaker 1: And I have not spoken for a long time. I

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Speaker 1: do not think we're spoken in twenty twenty four? Am

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Speaker 1: I correct? I think we know? You might be right.

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Speaker 1: was last year. I'm realizing that I've lost track of time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, but I had my son.

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Speaker 3: But my son's now eighteen months old, so that was

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Speaker 3: probably about twelve eighteen months ago that we caught up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how is? I was going to ask, how is

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Speaker 1: the little dude?

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Speaker 3: He's good, mate, Little Ollie's gone. Well, he's eighteen months

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Speaker 3: and full of energy.

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Speaker 3: He's a bit like a shark in that if he

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Speaker 1: Is he in the ninety nine percentile for height? He's pretty,

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Speaker 3: He's long and lean and got arms and legs popping

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Speaker 1: So he's so good. For anyone who's wondering what that's about.

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Speaker 1: Pete is two meter, Peter, ergo the question, two Peter,

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Speaker 3: It's a yeah, the long answer, it's a constant mirror

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Speaker 1: Lack of pati. It's presence and concentration.

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Speaker 3: That's how I currently feel because Ollie can stick to

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Speaker 3: you can feel you. I can feel myself. I'll speak

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Speaker 3: for myself, going, my god, I can't read this book

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Speaker 3: And that constant need to change the activity I recognize

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Speaker 3: yourself on where's that coming from? Why do you want

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Speaker 1: Why you aren't interested in this book anymore? Yeah? Why

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Speaker 1: can't you stay focused? Dad? This is important? You're not

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Speaker 1: getting all the lessons in this exactly.

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Speaker 3: There was a we had a pediatrician just after he

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Speaker 3: I think has so much wisdom, which was is it

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Speaker 3: bothering him? Or is it bothering you? And I just

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Speaker 3: not bothered. You're the one that's bothered by the coughing.

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Speaker 3: And I just think there's so much wisdom in that

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Speaker 3: reality it's actually just bothering me. It's actually just that

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Speaker 3: He's perfectly happy.

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Speaker 1: Do you, because you're such a student of the mind

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Speaker 1: then human behavior, and you know all of the bits

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Speaker 1: and pieces that make up the human experience, do you

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Speaker 1: feel like turning him into a little experiment where you think,

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Speaker 1: how many languages can I get this little motherfucker to

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Speaker 3: Totally, I'm like, if I read him twenty five books

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Speaker 1: Is he going to be absolute genius by the end

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Speaker 3: I mean, the flip side is the fear based recognition

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Speaker 3: He's probably going to pick up on that. The fact

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Speaker 1: So yes, on the.

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Speaker 3: Positive, But also, you know, I feel like I don't

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Speaker 3: feel like it's really easy to beat oneself up as

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Speaker 3: which I guess I've already reflected on already in this

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Speaker 1: This is a very cragish question, but do you ever

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Speaker 1: Do you ever think, like, what's the me experience for him?

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Speaker 3: I wonder if he's looking at me thinking why are

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Speaker 3: you still here? I wonder if what is your purpose?

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Speaker 1: And where is Mum? Was there?

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Speaker 3: Like some days I joke to my wife Tracy that

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Speaker 1: God, I'm so sick of that.

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Speaker 3: Like, I'm so sick of hanging out with this giant

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Speaker 3: skyscraper who's offering me absolutely no value except providing me

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I do.

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Speaker 3: I constantly think about what I mean, what is going

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Speaker 1: Absorb and grow.

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Speaker 3: Like if I think about how much I've changed and

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Speaker 1: Has it been an exercise in ah, because you have

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Speaker 1: your own business and you're busy, But has it been

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Speaker 1: an exercise in time management, resource management, energy management? High

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Speaker 1: level problem solving? Because all the flexibility and freedom that

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Speaker 3: Gone right right right, yeah, and yeah, so yes to

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Speaker 3: all of that. It's an absolute head fuck, if I

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Speaker 3: Thing that that does is creates new stories in my

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Speaker 3: hard enough because I run my own business. Are you

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Speaker 3: losing momentum? Are you going to lose clients? Oh, you're

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Speaker 3: not working on Monday? What if the phone rings on Monday?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: So there's these new internal self flatulating stories that I

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Speaker 3: can hear and feel that I'm now navigating, whereas in

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Speaker 3: the past I think the story was probably you're working

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Speaker 3: too much, You're doing too much. Are you staying present

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Speaker 3: to your wife and your friends and your family.

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Speaker 1: It feels a little more like the.

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Speaker 3: Opposite now, where I'm not enoughing my own work, which is,

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Speaker 1: When you first become a parent, I don't know, and

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Speaker 1: neither does Tiff, because well, TIF know, it's more than me.

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Speaker 1: others do. But I call it the psychology problem. And

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Speaker 1: like as a science, as a studiable, observable, measurable science,

437
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Speaker 1: psychology is bullshit. And this is someone doing a PhD

438
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Speaker 1: in it, right, because I could test Tiff today, like

439
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 1: right now, we could do an assessment because it's all

440
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Speaker 1: self assessment, it's all subjective valuation. And Tiff does a

441
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Speaker 1: fifty item kind of protocol, you know, based on psychology, emotion,

442
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 1: sociology and whatever, right, how she sees herself or how

443
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Speaker 1: she feels. And then we get all this data from

444
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 1: Tiff and we go, here's TIFF's data on these criteria.

445
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: But you know, Tip's a bit distracted and tired and

446
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: she's had a blue with her cat, and then she

447
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, then she does the same test tomorrow and

448
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: we get completely different data. But virtually every other science

449
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: that is not the case, right, you know, Physics is physics,

450
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: Biology is biology. You know, engineering is engineering. It's like,

451
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's all kind of going to

452
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: produce pretty consistent results. But but you're right. I think

453
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Speaker 1: it is that marriage between what is the practical, observable,

454
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Speaker 1: measurable thing that I can do in my physical three

455
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Speaker 1: dimensional world which will create this internal shift.

456
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Speaker 3: Yes, or will increase the probability of an internal shift?

457
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Speaker 3: Is how I think about it. Because you know, if

458
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Speaker 3: I think nothing's guaranteed, there are so many things outside

459
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Speaker 3: my external control, then everything is a game of probability.

460
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Speaker 3: And so I'm a mass nerd. So I like to

461
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Speaker 3: think about how do I increase the probability of the

462
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Speaker 3: outcome that I'm hoping for or seeking? And in answering

463
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: that question, I usually you can come up with a

464
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Speaker 3: couple of things that you think might be the keystone,

465
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Speaker 3: things that will increase their probability. At least That's how

466
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Speaker 3: I think about.

467
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Speaker 1: When you're in front of a group, and all of

468
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Speaker 1: us get in front of groups, but you do it

469
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Speaker 1: full full time. That's your job, that's your thing, and

470
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Speaker 1: you rock up one day. I get asked a lot

471
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Speaker 1: about speaking and just people to help people become not

472
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Speaker 1: necessarily corporate speakers or professional speakers, but that right down

473
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Speaker 1: to people who just don't want to be terrified when

474
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Speaker 1: they're making their birthday speech, or it's speaking at their

475
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Speaker 1: daughter's wedding right and everything in between. So you stand

476
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Speaker 1: up there and you're talking to a group for let's

477
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Speaker 1: just say it's a keynote, So you've got forty five

478
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Speaker 1: to sixty you're doing your thing. What are the things

479
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Speaker 1: that you are aware of than the fact that you

480
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Speaker 1: know the room, you know who you're talking to, You've

481
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Speaker 1: done a briefing call or two, You've kind of got

482
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Speaker 1: the lay of the land in terms of demographic and

483
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Speaker 1: sociology and who's you know, what's the theme of the

484
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Speaker 1: day and why you're there. Then you look around five

485
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Speaker 1: minutes in and people are looking at their iPhone or

486
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Speaker 1: they're disconnected, or they're looking out the window. What do

487
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Speaker 1: you do in that? You know, because we can only

488
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: prep and know so much. But in that moment, What

489
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Speaker 1: are the skills that you have or what's the awareness

490
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Speaker 1: that you have where you can kind of get back

491
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Speaker 1: to some kind of connection or apport or like, what

492
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Speaker 1: do you can you teach us something like because I

493
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: feel like for a lot of us, we we might

494
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Speaker 1: lose the room or lose ourselves and we're like, fuck,

495
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Speaker 1: I don't know where to go from here.

496
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't really talking about that's never having before

497
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Speaker 3: intend it had, no, it has it has. I mean

498
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Speaker 3: I've got a story from this either I could share it.

499
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Speaker 3: I think firstly, i'd say you and I perhaps have

500
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Speaker 3: this in common, which is a comfort in throwing out

501
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 3: the maybe the plan that we might have had based

502
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Speaker 3: on where the audience is at. I think so much

503
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: of keynotes, workshops coaching comes down to the same skill,

504
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 3: which is can you meet the group where they're at?

505
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Speaker 3: And if they're at a place of complete distraction and

506
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Speaker 3: boredom or distraction with emails, then continuing the way that

507
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Speaker 3: you have been for that first five minutes is probably

508
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Speaker 3: not going to change that state. So in my mind,

509
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Speaker 3: it's about can you meet them where they're at and

510
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Speaker 3: if needed, change the state, change the energy, change the

511
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Speaker 3: focus of the room to create a pattern, interrupt to

512
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Speaker 3: get people away from the thing that they're currently doing

513
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Speaker 3: if they are distracted. The way I think about that

514
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Speaker 3: is connection over content. So I think that for me personally,

515
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Speaker 3: go one of the days where I'll talk to an

516
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Speaker 3: audience for forty five minutes without some sort of interaction.

517
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Speaker 3: And in fact, if I was doing forty five minutes,

518
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Speaker 3: for example, I would probably break it up into three

519
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 3: fifteen minute little sections or three ten minute sections with

520
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: a five minute interactive piece at the end of each one.

521
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Speaker 3: And so if I had, for example, a group that

522
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Speaker 3: I was five minutes into my first ten minute thing,

523
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Speaker 3: and I was like, I've got an interactive element or

524
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Speaker 3: a question i want them to explore with the three

525
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Speaker 3: people around them in ten minutes time or in five

526
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Speaker 3: minutes time, because we're five minutes into this, I'd probably

527
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Speaker 3: just bring it forward and go and maybe even call

528
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Speaker 3: it out and go, look, it's been a long day.

529
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Speaker 1: If it's been a long day, I recognize.

530
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Speaker 3: There's a bunch of stuff going on for you all,

531
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Speaker 3: and maybe a few of you are a bit distracted,

532
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 3: a bit sick of hearing my voice. So why don't

533
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 3: you turn to the person next to you and answer

534
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 3: a question, which is, what's one thing you're hoping to

535
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Speaker 3: get out of today, or what's one current challenge you

536
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: have right now as it relates to this topic, or

537
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 3: what's a story about something that you had for breakfast

538
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: this morning, purely just to break the pattern of everyone's

539
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: distracted and no one's making any attention whatsoever. My assertion

540
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Speaker 3: is in most of my workshops based on how I

541
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Speaker 3: think about them and structure them. And this is not

542
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 3: for everyone. And that is the thing that most people remember,

543
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 3: isn't the thing that came out of my mouth, It's

544
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Speaker 3: the thing came out of the mouth of the people

545
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Speaker 3: that they talked with. So I see my role as

546
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Speaker 3: almost a facilitator of those small conversations and almost to

547
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Speaker 3: get out of the way to ask a question, to

548
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: create space and connection with others, but to kind of

549
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 3: not even need to be the one talking, if that

550
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 3: makes sense. So yes, that would be That would be

551
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: my response to your very good question. I have a

552
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Speaker 3: warm story if you like, if it one earlier today, earlier,

553
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, go No, this literally happened. I

554
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: was running a workshop ironically on being more effective in

555
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 3: communicating and storytelling, and about about five or ten minutes

556
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 3: in I asked a question of the group one hundred

557
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 3: and twenty people in the room, and I asked a

558
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Speaker 3: question and not one person said a single word for

559
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 3: what felt like eight minutes was probably only ten seconds.

560
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was told prior you talked.

561
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Speaker 3: About briefing call that this was a super engaged group,

562
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 3: very extroverted. You won't be able to shut them up,

563
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: so be careful when you ask questions because they're so

564
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Speaker 3: keen and eager. No one said a single thing I had.

565
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 3: I had this, not even the person organizing the event,

566
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: by the way, which gets I love that what are

567
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: you doing? So I had this kind of out of

568
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Speaker 3: body experience. Rather I think you might be I think

569
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 3: you're bombing, Like I think this is going terribly So

570
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 3: why don't you try something else? Because that didn't work?

571
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 3: And so I said something like, let's scrap that idea.

572
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: Clearly that's not going to work, So why don't you

573
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 3: turn to the person next to you and answer the

574
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Speaker 3: same question and introduce yourself if you don't know them,

575
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Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, it was like the room

576
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Speaker 3: caught fire. I couldn't shut them up. That were interacting,

577
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 3: they were shaking hands, and it sort of became evident

578
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: in this process that I realized that these people don't

579
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Speaker 3: know each other. And so when we finished and the

580
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: rest of the session went really well. When I finished,

581
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 3: I walked off stage and someone came up to me

582
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Speaker 3: and said, I'm so glad you did that turn to

583
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Speaker 3: the person next to you activity, because we've been sitting

584
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Speaker 3: here for four hours and not once have we had

585
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Speaker 3: the opportunity to talk to or interact with the other

586
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: people on our table, and they're total strangers. So I

587
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: didn't feel comfortable speaking up in front of one hundred

588
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: and twenty strangers. But I do feel comfortable introducing myself

589
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Speaker 3: to the person next to me. So that very experience

590
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: was what happened to mean. I think changing the approach

591
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: of talking to a person next to you, connecting with

592
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Speaker 3: another human, in my mind, is the simplest way to

593
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Speaker 3: break that cycle.

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Speaker 1: That's great, I love it. Can tell Can I tell

595
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: you one? Please hear me with a war story? I

596
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: love these all right, so I need to be very

597
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: careful about I'll tell you off air, but I can't

598
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: tell you the name of the organization. But okay, So

599
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Speaker 1: I had to do a talk about a year ago

600
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Speaker 1: for one hundred about one hundred people who were a

601
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Speaker 1: mix of psychologists and counselors. Right, so everyone in the

602
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: room was basically like a mental health professional, all qualified,

603
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: all smart. I had to do a whole day, a

604
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Speaker 1: whole day, So I had to talk from nine till

605
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 1: five with breaks maybe eight thirty, No, nine till five. Anyway,

606
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Speaker 1: So my plan was, and there's some other variables around

607
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 1: this that I can't really share that it was just

608
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: it was a tough group anyway, but that's okay. I

609
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: was grateful for the gig I went in. My plan was,

610
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to do like my first bit will be

611
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: just really a key, while little kind of fresh start

612
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: of the day. Energy is good, a bit of interaction,

613
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: a bit funny, a bit you know whatever. And it went.

614
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: It went well. It was about anate, right, It wasn't

615
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: a ten. It's about an eight. Good interaction, pretty good energy,

616
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: not amazing. But I'm doing a whole day essentially around

617
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: self management, self regulation, individual kind of optimization, how to

618
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: get the most out of them, you know, like and

619
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: I'm speaking as the excise scientist, but also the psychology researcher.

620
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: Obviously I'm not trying to teach them about psychology, but

621
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Speaker 1: really I'm just like, how do you manage you? You?

622
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: How can you show up at work and be the

623
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: best version of you physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, practically whatever

624
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: that is for you. Blah blah blah blah blah. Like

625
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: simple enough, cool, which have done a lot anyway, So

626
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: I do my opening keynote and then the boss comes

627
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: up to me, and the boss says, that was good.

628
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: And you know when people go that was good and

629
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: you're like this is not good, it's like, no, that

630
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: was really good. Butt. I'm like, fuck, what's the butt?

631
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: So I've still got the best part of you know,

632
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: allowing for lunch and morning play, lunch and all that stuff,

633
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 1: I've still got at least five hours of speaking actually

634
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: speaking to go and he or she said, yeah, look,

635
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: just don't talk about diet or exercise or fitness or

636
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, anything to do with the body, because some

637
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: people will be triggered.

638
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 4: Well that was literally about half my day's talking about

639
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 4: just looking after and I'm not talking about being fit

640
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 4: or being jacked or you know, eating paleo or I'm

641
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 4: just talking about how do I manage my body to

642
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 4: also manage my mind and my energy, because the better

643
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 4: shape my body's in, I'm more productive and more efficient,

644
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 4: you know, the better my brain works, because you know,

645
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 4: there's all these physiological, psychological, and emotional and cognitive benefit

646
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 4: through weight training, for example. You know all these stories

647
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 4: about lifting weights and cognitive and you know all this shit.

648
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: So fifty percent of my content I had to handle.

649
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: And then there's like a fifteen minute break and I've

650
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Speaker 1: got to come back now, and I've ejected two and

651
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Speaker 1: a half hours of content. At least, Do not talk

652
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Speaker 1: about food, Do not talk about exercise, Do not talk

653
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: about anything to do with the body, because now, remember

654
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm talking to psychologists. I'm like, surely, and I'm not

655
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: talking about, Hey, how much do you weigh or what

656
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: do you look like? You know, I'm just so fair

657
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: to say that was the toughest gig I did last year. Yeah,

658
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: you know so, but just you just got to adapt,

659
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: don't you. Yeah?

660
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: Do you I feel like I've seen you do this live,

661
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 3: So maybe it's a it's a loaded question in the

662
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: sense I know the answer of it. Do I've seen

663
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: you do really well? Asking the audience for a bit

664
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: of like we could go this way, we could go

665
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: that way, and almost doing a straw pole in the moment,

666
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 3: so that it's it's adaptable and flexible based on where

667
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 3: the audience is at.

668
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: Do you still do that? I still do that. I

669
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: don't necessarily plan that, but I mean sometimes I'll go

670
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: in and, like, what you don't want to do as

671
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: a professional speaker everybody is you do not want to

672
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: talk after lunch for a range of reasons. One, they've

673
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: been listening to people that may or may not be

674
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: boring for at least four or five hours, and then

675
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: they've just eaten all the free awesome probably not very

676
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: healthy food lunch, so they're in a fucking food coma,

677
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: so they'reques dropped by thirty percent. Yeah, and they're not

678
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: really that excited about you speaking because they're thinking about

679
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: drinks at five point thirty and then you come in

680
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: there like captain fantastic. So yeah, I it depends on

681
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: Like sometimes I'll go in there and I'll say, tell

682
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: me who's spoken, what's happened already, and when based on

683
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: that information, I will create a different plan in the moment.

684
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: Nice just because like I know they've been sitting, Like

685
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: you said, they've been sitting for four hours. Yeah, so

686
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: I'll go, well, let's not sit for an hour because

687
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: that's probably but that will be context and situation dependent.

688
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: But I think that's I think that's part of it.

689
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: Mate is going, well, this was my intention, but I

690
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: didn't know the dynamics or the lay of the land

691
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: for sure.

692
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Speaker 3: I think the other thing you do really well, which

693
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 3: is something that I don't do this to the same level.

694
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 3: But I have a similar philosophy, which is I'm not

695
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: going to use slides because ninety nine percent of the

696
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 3: other speakers are using slides. So I deliberately don't use

697
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: slides and usually use a flip chart. And I know

698
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 3: you love to use a whiteboard in a lot of

699
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 3: your presentations, which I think already creates some sort of

700
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 3: I think of it as a patent interrupt Yes. And

701
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: so if I'm a speaker thinking about my presentation on

702
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: a day where there's six other speakers, I could pretty

703
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 3: safely assume that five of those six will have a

704
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 3: lot of slides. And so if I'm an audience member,

705
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 3: I've sat through five presentations and slide decks and you

706
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: know they're not all the same, but you know, one

707
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 3: PowerPoint presentation starts to look like another PowerPoint presentation. So

708
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 3: even before walking in the room, I'm thinking, like, how

709
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: can you be the pattern interrupt of Oh look this

710
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: guy's not no slides that's interesting, or look at his handwriting.

711
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: His handwriting's quirky, or something else that just triggers a

712
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: slightly different part of their brain to react or to

713
00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 3: hopefully switch on.

714
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: I And the problem with a slide show, well, the

715
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: potential problem is what if your entire hour is dependent

716
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: on like that's all you plan for. I've got twenty

717
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: slides and you're at slide three and everyone's fucking nodding off, right,

718
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: what do You're?

719
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 4: Right?

720
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: Everybody's clearly not you know, with you, And then you're like, ah,

721
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: well this is not working. I'll go to slide for

722
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: and then it's like, oh, but I don't have another

723
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: plan because my plan is the next sixteen slides, and

724
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: I think that back to your whiteboard point. I had

725
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: one with AGL last week through our friend Lisa, and

726
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: what was interesting was I'm up the front with my

727
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: big fat black whiteboard marker and I'm writing on the board,

728
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: and I go, all right, what are your thoughts on whatever?

729
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: You know? I go, tell me, tell me when I

730
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: say the term success, what comes to mind for you

731
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Just go. And people are so I'm writing

732
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: their words on the board. So they're writing up things,

733
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: and I go, all right, now, let's talk about what

734
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: stands between us and success? What do you think of

735
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 1: the things? Don't overthink it, but what are the things

736
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: that really get in the way, Not the bullshit things

737
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: like time? Fuck time? What are the other things? You know?

738
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, fear, procrastination, avoid, And so I'm like, yep, good, good,

739
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: keep it going. Then all of a sudden, we've got

740
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: this dynamic and everybody's energy is good, and they're saying

741
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: stuff that's now becoming part of the tapestry of what's

742
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: going on. And what they said is now literally written

743
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: in front of the room, and they're like, that's my

744
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: that's my word up there, like look at you, look

745
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: at you steering the ship, look at I love that.

746
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 3: Like co creation as opposed to you know, like a monologue,

747
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: it's how can I how can I co create an

748
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 3: experience with an audience as opposed to you know, sure,

749
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: or talk at an audience, they're very different things.

750
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: The other thing, I feel.

751
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: Like it just is you remind me of and this

752
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 3: whole conversation reminds me of is one of my mentors,

753
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: and I'm lucky enough to say he's become a friend

754
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: in Seth Godin, who's written twenty something New York Times bestsellers,

755
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: but one of his books is called Purple Cow.

756
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think about this.

757
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: Concept so often, which is love this I love this concept,

758
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 3: by the way, which is it's so I think it's

759
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 3: really interesting when you apply it to public speaking, in particular,

760
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 3: because the premise of the book is essentially, you know,

761
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: if you look in most fields, well all fields of cows,

762
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: you've got either I think it's brown cows, black cows,

763
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 3: white cows, or a mixture of those three, brown and

764
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: black or black and white. And everyone looks the same.

765
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: All the fields look the same. Can you imagine what

766
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 3: it would be like if you saw a purple cow,

767
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 3: like a cow in a field that was bright purple.

768
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: You would call your.

769
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: Friends, you would take a photo, you would post it

770
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: to social media, You talk about it NonStop, you tell

771
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: people later on and his premise in the book is

772
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 3: essentially when you're building products, when you're creating experiences, when

773
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: you're thinking about anything as it relates to a creation

774
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: that we want people to interact with, you should be

775
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: thinking about making it purple. You should be thinking about

776
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,959
Speaker 3: creating some sort of purple cow that is remarkable, which

777
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: is worth remarking at. So, if you're thinking about a

778
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 3: presentation and you're thinking about your slide deck or not

779
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 3: slide deck, or whiteboard or not whiteboard, in my mind,

780
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 3: the question is how do I make this purple? What

781
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 3: is the thing that people are going to walk away

782
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: and go either take a photo of the thing that

783
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: you did in that moment, or remind them to tell

784
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 3: their friend later on or their partner of a dinner

785
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 3: of like, can you believe I saw this thing or

786
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: heard this thing?

787
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think you know you.

788
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: And I've seen enough sixteen page slide decks or more

789
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 3: like sixty page slide decks that there's not a heap

790
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 3: of purple in them. And I think it's a really

791
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: easy way to create a different experience for yourself if

792
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: you can answer that question, what's your purple cap?

793
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: I love it. I remember years ago I just started

794
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: my pt business and I was probably two years in

795
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,479
Speaker 1: and my business skills were one. My management skills were one.

796
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: You know, not fucking everything what. I could train people

797
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: and talk, but everything else like nothing. And I'm trying

798
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: to build a brand and a business and I'm trying

799
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: to understand it. And I was training a guy called

800
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: Jim Watts who was the CEO of some killed a

801
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: football club, and he goes to me, well, I used

802
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: to pick his brain because he was still is like

803
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: extremely smart and yeah, so I'd train him and he'd

804
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: kind of mentor and coach me. And he goes, well,

805
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: what's your USP? And I go what he goes? I go,

806
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: you know, when someone asks you a question that they

807
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: think you should actually called it, I don't understand the question.

808
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: I don't even understand the question. That's how fucking dumb

809
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: I am. Not only can I not give you an

810
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: answer to the question, I don't understand and the question.

811
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: And then he's like, so that means your unique selling proposition.

812
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh what, I'm like yeah, and he goes, well,

813
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: if you're doing what everyone else is doing and you're

814
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: kind of selling the same thing the same way and

815
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: delivering the same product at about the same price, and

816
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, purple cow, you know what's your Yeah, it's

817
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: like it's the same thing, and yeah, you might be.

818
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: It's like people. Somebody actually asked me. A lady actually

819
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: asked me recently her son's doing a personal training course

820
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: and she goes, aren't there isn't the market saturated? I go, yes,

821
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: but it's not saturated with brilliant trainers. It's just saturated. Yeah,

822
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: if you can be, if you can be the one percent,

823
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: if you can be the unicorn. If you can, and

824
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: I could give you a list of twenty things that

825
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: would make you a unicorn trainer. If you can do

826
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: those and be those, you're going to be busy as fuck.

827
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: You know. We had I had a guy on recently,

828
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: Dre on Who is it Andre Andreas anyway, Dre who

829
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: was on the show recently who's spent four and a

830
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: half years in prison, came out of prison for dealing drugs.

831
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: He's very open about his story and four years down

832
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: the track, he's just opened his He did a degree

833
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: while I was in prison, then he did another degree

834
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: in exose science when he got out of prison. And

835
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: I can't say how much he generates a week, but

836
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: it's thousands as a pt. And he's just opened his

837
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: first center, but he spent the last four years just

838
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: out of jail training people in his garage at one

839
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty bucks for forty five minutes, and he's

840
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: booked out and he's got a waiting list. Now, if

841
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: you can do that in a shitty garage with all equipment,

842
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: when there's gyms down the road with millions of dollars

843
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: worth of equipment, if I was a trainer, I'd want

844
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: to go and see what that guy does. If I

845
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: was a budding trainer, I'm like, how does this guy

846
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: with no equipment and no premises to speak of? What

847
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: does he have? What is he doing that's making all

848
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: of these people with lots of dough drive to his

849
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: fucking garage and hand him hundreds of dollars a week? Fascinating?

850
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: That's the thing, right, if you can brilliant whatever it

851
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: is like, and he's.

852
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 3: I feel like, in a business context, you could think about, like,

853
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: you know, the flip the flip of that I think

854
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: about is you know someone with an awesome Instagram account

855
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 3: or a beautiful website and they've spent thousands of dollars

856
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 3: or millions of not They've spent thousands of dollars with

857
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 3: thousands of hours crafting this beautifully unique experience on Instagram.

858
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 3: Looks great, yeah, Versus there's then, you know, there's the

859
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: person who has this thriving coaching business it doesn't even

860
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 3: know what Instagram is, or it doesn't even have Instagram.

861
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 3: It's like, yes, they've got the garage equivalent. I'm just

862
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: coaching people out of my garage here, Like, what are

863
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 3: you talking about? I need an Instagram account?

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Speaker 1: That is so true. And even in the domain of

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Speaker 1: and this. Of course, I'm not anti academia or anti qualifications,

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Speaker 1: but so many people who have got degrees or honors

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Speaker 1: or masters or PhDs or whatever, and they're good things,

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Speaker 1: but it doesn't necessarily equate to any kind of success

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Speaker 1: other than academic. Right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've got it, gone, I've got it. I

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Speaker 3: was just going to say, I've got a bachelor's degree,

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Speaker 3: nothing more. And I've worked with CEOs of some of

873
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Speaker 3: the biggest companies in the world from America to Europe

874
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Speaker 3: to Australia, and not once has anyone said to me,

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Speaker 3: can you show me your call it? Like qualifications where's

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Speaker 3: your master's degree? Have you got a PhD? I've literally never.

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Speaker 1: Been asked that question. Yes, yeah, I said that in

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Speaker 1: all my years of training people, which was over thirty right,

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Speaker 1: one person, and it was just out of curiosity because

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Speaker 1: they wanted to know how to become a trainer. One

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Speaker 1: person that nobody asked me to see a bit of paper.

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Speaker 1: But one person said, oh, what what qualification do you have?

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Speaker 1: You know, and I'm like, thank god somebody asked, although

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Speaker 1: is at uni? I actually did it. It's like nobody

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Speaker 1: you know, if you can. It's like you think about,

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Speaker 1: you think about you talk a lot. Firstly, what was

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Speaker 1: your degree in?

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Speaker 3: I did an arts degree majoring in actually criminology of

889
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Speaker 3: all things and communication.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you talk a lot about human behavior and psychology,

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Speaker 1: so do I. None of us have got a degree

892
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Speaker 1: in psychology, none of us.

893
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Speaker 3: Elements of it. But definitely this was like why do

894
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Speaker 3: people solve crimes? Crimes as opposed to be better leaders?

895
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Speaker 1: And you're not putting yourself up as a guru of

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Speaker 1: human behavior or psychology or I just think that.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like I talk to people about diet, but I'm

899
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Speaker 1: not a dietician. But I'm not prescribing a diet, but

900
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Speaker 1: I don't need to go to university to say, hey, Pete,

901
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Speaker 1: Coco pops are probably not your best choice for brecky, right,

902
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Speaker 1: you know, like you probably don't need a psychology degree

903
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: to understand that calling yourself a fuck with thirty times

904
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Speaker 1: a day is not great. It's probably not a good yeah,

905
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Speaker 1: you know, And so do you have any aspirations one

906
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Speaker 1: way or the other for twenty twenty five As we

907
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Speaker 1: wind up here, mate.

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Speaker 3: To be determined if there's anything more than continue to

909
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Speaker 3: do what I've done. I've had this experience in the

910
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Speaker 3: last few years where because I have spent so many

911
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Speaker 3: years and so much time and energy nerding out on

912
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Speaker 3: you know, personal and professional development and listening to podcasts

913
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Speaker 3: and reading books and trying to work out, you know,

914
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Speaker 3: what's the thing that you need to be doing and

915
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Speaker 3: what's I felt I got to the where I was

916
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Speaker 3: looking for some dramatic change that I needed to do

917
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Speaker 3: every year, and at one point a couple of years ago,

918
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Speaker 3: it kind of dawned on me maybe it's less about

919
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Speaker 3: the dramatic change and more about continuing to compound on

920
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Speaker 3: the good things that you're already doing, and so it

921
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Speaker 3: feels like it. It feels like a counterculture un sexy

922
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Speaker 3: thing to say. But I kind of am at the

923
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Speaker 3: point of going, what if I just doubled down or

924
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Speaker 3: continued to focus on the healthy habits that I already had.

925
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Speaker 1: What if I.

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Speaker 3: Continue to try and not work mondays and spend that

927
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Speaker 3: with Oli. What would happen in twelve months if I

928
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Speaker 3: did that rather than I've got to completely change the

929
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Speaker 3: way that I live my life. So yeah, that's how

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking about it, is what are the great things

931
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Speaker 3: that I know are good for me and they give

932
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Speaker 3: me energy? And can I just not focus on those again?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? That makes sense. And sometimes it's just like, well,

934
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Speaker 1: where I'm at as good nothing, It's like this, this

935
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Speaker 1: is actually good. Like when I do a stop take

936
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Speaker 1: on what's going on on planet me, I'm very grateful.

937
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Speaker 3: You know, there's always quirks and things, and you know,

938
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Speaker 3: certain thoughts that you have that you wish you didn't

939
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Speaker 3: have or you can work on. But I tend to

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Speaker 3: agree with I catch myself in this constance, can catch

941
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Speaker 3: myself in a constant state of striving, which I feel

942
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Speaker 3: like can actually be unhelpful to the point of, what

943
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Speaker 3: if you just were grateful for where you are and

944
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Speaker 3: what you have right now, rather than looking for the

945
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Speaker 3: opportunity to be better.

946
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Speaker 1: Cookie, if you could do one thing better next year

947
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Speaker 1: other than be you know, the calm in the chaos

948
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Speaker 1: now that you Tiff had a big spiritual epiphany and

949
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Speaker 1: not even being funny, she did have a bit of

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Speaker 1: a she's a bit of a renaissance woman's she's seen

951
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Speaker 1: the light nice twenty twenty five. Is there something that

952
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Speaker 1: you want to change in any particular way?

953
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Speaker 2: There's something I am changing, and that's just consistency in

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Speaker 2: my in coaching. I like choosing one area of the

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Speaker 2: multiple things I do and making that a real pa

956
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Speaker 2: to develop me and develop it and can but consistently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Can I ask what lane that is because

958
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Speaker 1: you kind of you've got your fingers in a few pies. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So that's the mind pt, the the coaching people in

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Speaker 2: terms and so the workshops and the coaching programs that

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Speaker 2: I'm that I'm doing. So I just want to get

962
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Speaker 2: that fills me up the most. I want to get

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Speaker 2: really good at that. So and it's just about consistency.

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Speaker 2: It's been three years since I ran a one off workshop,

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Speaker 2: which I did last week, and it's like three years.

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Speaker 2: Why you don't get better waiting three years?

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Speaker 1: That's true, dude, that's true. If people want to thank

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Speaker 1: you to if if people want to find you, follow

969
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Speaker 1: connect with you and come and see you and Ali,

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Speaker 1: how do they do that?

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Speaker 3: Human Periscope dot com is the website. I don't think

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Speaker 3: all these on there yet, but feel free to reach

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Speaker 3: out and ask a question and I'll send you a photo.

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Speaker 1: That's your podcast. You stood on your pot The Long

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Speaker 1: End six years and counting.

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Speaker 3: Jen and I have still yeah, three hundred and something

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Speaker 3: odd episodes and we still have The Long on the

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Speaker 3: Short of It. Jens five foot one, I'm six foot seven,

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Speaker 3: and we spend twenty minutes once a week talking about

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Speaker 3: a topic that relates to, you know, being a leader,

981
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Speaker 3: being a creative, being a freelancer, being an entrepreneur.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be precious, but I keep clicking

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Speaker 1: refresh on my email and I don't see an invite.

984
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Speaker 3: But stand by, we've we only ever had one guest,

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Speaker 3: and it's Seth Godin. We had no guests on our podcast.

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Speaker 3: That's a good reason to make an exception. Hey, Mate,

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Speaker 3: we'll say goodbye Fair but your ace and father of

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Speaker 3: the year.

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Speaker 1: You are. That's what I'm going to call this episode,

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Speaker 1: Father of the Year. We appreciate you. Thanks mate, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me, Tip, Thanks for having me, Craig.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys,