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Speaker 1: I get a bloody Champions Welcome another installment The Year Project.

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Speaker 1: Tiffany and Cook, Peter Brian, Kevin, Mannix Shepherd. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure why Mannix. Then we'll start with Cook, who's in

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Speaker 1: the top left square.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Cook, I don't know where you find all the

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Speaker 2: random names that just fall out of your mouth when

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Speaker 2: you do it, you know.

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you the etymology? No, not the etymology,

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Speaker 1: the origin story of all of those names that I

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Speaker 1: tend to spout. So when I was growing up way back,

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Speaker 1: you know, just after Jesus passed away, so my dad,

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Speaker 1: my dad, he used to tell me real deal. His

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Speaker 1: name was Ronald Edward Patrick, Nan, Patrick Persval, Clarence Terrence

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Speaker 1: James Ambrose Alowish's Harper. And I thought till I was

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Speaker 1: about sixteen, that was his real name, Ronald Edward Personal,

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Speaker 1: Clarence Terrence, James Ambrose Alowish's Harper. And I never even asked,

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Speaker 1: but he would say that on repeat, and so that's

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Speaker 1: what I thought he real name was. That's the best

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Speaker 1: story ever. So I grew up, yeah, with that kind

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Speaker 1: of bullshit, and you basically, well you become your parents fuck,

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Speaker 1: which that is not a good thing. But anyway, God

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Speaker 1: bless him. What is your actual middle name? Jonathan?

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Speaker 3: But I just have to say, it's no wonder where

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Speaker 3: you get your piss taking from, given that was what

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Speaker 3: your old man used to do to you.

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Speaker 1: Ah. My man used to constantly bullshit me about things,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't know he was bullshitting me, so I

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Speaker 1: would just be like, no, that's really my dad's name.

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Speaker 1: And everyone's like, I don't think it is. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: it really is, and they're like, you're thirty. Stop.

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Speaker 4: Ah, we'll start with We'll start with the lady because

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Speaker 4: we've got to be respectful.

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Speaker 1: In the school. I haven't seen yet. Do you like

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Speaker 1: that that I called you a lady?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well we What have you been up to today, lady?

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Speaker 2: I've been I went Do you know what I went for?

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Speaker 2: I went for a walk with one of your mates.

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Speaker 1: I don't have any mates, but go on Nicole Ldell.

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Speaker 1: She's in town. I met her for a walk and

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Speaker 1: some brecky. Then I come home, did a party. I've

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Speaker 1: been head down, tail up since then. What is she

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Speaker 1: doing in Melbs?

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Speaker 2: She was coming to do some rail crossing analysis.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right, she's she's part of a PhD. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's wow. Can I just ask her? You rubbing moisturizer

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Speaker 1: onto your hands?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: So I was, do you reckon you could do that

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Speaker 1: before we start? I mean, you know, I don't want

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Speaker 1: you to be totally present, but could you leave your

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Speaker 1: fucking beauty regime? I don't know before or after the show.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to ask too much as an employer,

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Speaker 1: but I mean, I feel like if you're rubbing shit

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Speaker 1: You don't see Pete rubbing anything into himself. No, I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to find some moisturizer. I might join it. I

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Speaker 1: feel like my hands are feeling a bit dry and now,

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Speaker 1: Tip maybe we should bring you into the show, seeing

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Speaker 1: as you are the focal point, but allegedly not yet yet.

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Speaker 1: Hi Pete, how are you? I'm great? How are you?

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Speaker 3: Craig Anthony? I've forgotten all those middle lams already. I

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Speaker 3: was going to try and repeat him back to you,

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Speaker 3: but I've forgotten very good, Craig Anthony. Is that's more

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Speaker 3: than enough? How's you?

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Speaker 1: And I have not spoken for a long time. I

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Speaker 1: do not think we're spoken in twenty twenty four, Am

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Speaker 1: I correct?

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Speaker 3: I think we know? You might be right. I was

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Speaker 3: going to say, we have, but maybe that was last year.

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Speaker 3: I'm realizing that.

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Speaker 1: I've lost track of time. Yeah, I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: but I had my son.

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Speaker 3: But my son's now eighteen months old, so that was

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Speaker 3: probably about twelve eighteen months ago that we caught up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how is? I was going to ask, how is

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Speaker 1: the little dude?

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Speaker 3: He's good, mate, Little Oli's gone. Well, he's eighteen months

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Speaker 3: and full of energy.

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Speaker 3: He's a bit like a shark in that if he

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Speaker 3: in a constant state of motion and chaos, which is great.

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Speaker 1: Is he in the ninety nine percentile for height? He's pretty,

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Speaker 3: He's long and lean and got arms and legs popping

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Speaker 3: out everywhere, just like me.

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Speaker 1: So it's good for anyone who's wondering what that's about.

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Speaker 1: Pete is two meter, Peter. Ergo is a question, two Peter,

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Speaker 1: what is being a parent taught you? Oh gosh, how

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Speaker 1: long have you got? I think the.

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Speaker 3: Short answer is no, pun intended it's a yeah. The

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Speaker 3: long answer, it's a constant mirror to your own.

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Speaker 1: Lack of.

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Speaker 3: Patient presence and concentration. That's how I currently feel because

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Speaker 3: Ollie can stick to an activity on repeat, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: feel myself. I'll speak for myself, going, my god, I

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Speaker 3: can't read this book one more time, and we're really

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Speaker 3: going to read it again. And that constant need to

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Speaker 3: change the activity I recognize comes from me, not necessarily

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Speaker 3: from him. And it's like I find this happens multiple

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Speaker 3: times throughout the day where I'll want to do something different,

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Speaker 3: And it's like constantly checking yourself on where's that coming from?

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Speaker 3: Why do you want to change activities? Why are you bored?

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Speaker 3: Why you aren't interested in this book anymore?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Why can't you stay focused? Dad? This is important?

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Speaker 1: You're not getting all the lessons in this exactly.

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Speaker 3: There was a we had a pediatrician just after he

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Speaker 1: You get a sign a pediatrician and we saw him.

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Speaker 3: And he said something off the cuff, which I think

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Speaker 3: And I just think about that all the time, because,

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Speaker 1: You're like, oh, he coughed three times? Is that okay?

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Speaker 3: And they're like, look, it's okay, he's not bothered. You're

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Speaker 3: think there's so much wisdom in that of like I'm

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Speaker 3: constantly thinking something's bothering him, when in reality it's actually

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Speaker 1: Do you, because you're such a student of the mind,

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Speaker 1: the human behavior, and you know all of the bits

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Speaker 1: and pieces that make up the human experience, do you

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Speaker 1: feel like turning him into a little experiment where you think,

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Speaker 1: how many languages can I get this little motherfucker to

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Speaker 1: speak by the time he's five? Totally, I'm like, if

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Speaker 1: I read him twenty five books a day. Is he

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Speaker 1: Like you know, when you know, like everyone talks about

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Speaker 1: Do you factor that in? I try to.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the flip side is the fear based recognition

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Speaker 3: of when you do something that you know you probably

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Speaker 3: He's probably going to pick up on that. The fact

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Speaker 3: It's like it's like a tiny little mirror that follows

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Speaker 1: Ismsh this is a very cragish question, but do you

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Speaker 1: ever wonder what it's like for him to be around you.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever think, like, what's the me experience for him?

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Speaker 1: for him totally. I wonder if he's looking at me

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Speaker 1: thinking why are you still here? I wonder if it's

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Speaker 1: what is your purpose? And where is Munk there?

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Speaker 3: Like some days I joke to my wife Tracy that

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Speaker 3: she gets home from work and OHI He'll run straight

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Speaker 3: sick of that. Like, I'm so sick of hanging out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I do.

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Speaker 3: I constantly think about what I mean, what is going

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Speaker 1: Absorb and grow.

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Speaker 3: Like if I think about how much I've changed and

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Speaker 3: it's heaps, because I'm a growth minded, you know, individual who.

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Speaker 1: Practices what I preach.

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Speaker 3: But the reality, compared to an eighteen month old toddler,

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Speaker 1: Has it been an exercise in ah, because you have

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Speaker 1: your own business and you're busy, But has it been

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Speaker 1: an exercise in time management, resource management, energy management, high

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Speaker 3: Gone right right right, yeah and yeah, so yes to

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Speaker 3: all of that. It's an absolute head fuck if I

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Speaker 3: so I don't work Mondays, for example, and I try

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Speaker 3: Thing that that does is creates new stories in my

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Speaker 3: losing momentum? Are you going to lose clients? Oh you're

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Speaker 3: not working on Monday? What if the phone rings on

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Speaker 3: my dad?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: So there's these new internal self flatulating stories that I

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Speaker 3: can hear and feel that I'm now navigating, Whereas in

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Speaker 3: the past I think the story was probably you're working

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Speaker 3: too much, You're doing too much. Are you staying present

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Speaker 3: to your wife and your friends and your family. It

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Speaker 3: feels a little more like the opposite now, where I'm

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Speaker 3: not enoughing my own work, which is, you know, not

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Speaker 1: When you first become a parent, I don't know, and

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Speaker 1: neither does Tiff, because well Tiff know, it's more than me.

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Speaker 1: She's got animals. She is an animal, so she's a

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Speaker 1: dog mum and the cat mum. But you're an actual proper,

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Speaker 1: like in as a science, as a studiable, observable, measurable science,

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Speaker 1: psychology is bullshit. And this is someone doing a PhD

437
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Speaker 1: in it, right, because I could test Tiff today, like

438
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Speaker 1: right now, we could do an assessment because it's all

439
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Speaker 1: self assessment, it's all subjective valuation. And Tiff does a

440
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Speaker 1: fifty item kind of protocol, you know, based on psychology, emotion,

441
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Speaker 1: sociology and whatever, right, how she sees herself or how

442
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Speaker 1: she feels. And then we get all this data from

443
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Speaker 1: Tiff and we go, here's TIFF's data based on these criteria.

444
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: But you know, Tip's a bit distracted and tired, and

445
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: she's had a blue with her cat, and then she

446
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, then she does the same test tomorrow and

447
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: we get completely different data. But in virtually every other

448
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 1: science that is not the case, right, you know, Physics

449
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: is physics, Biology is biology. You know, engineering is engineering.

450
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's it's it's all kind of

451
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Speaker 1: going to produce pretty consistent results. But but you're right.

452
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Speaker 1: I think it is that marriage between what is the practical, observable,

453
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Speaker 1: measurable thing that I can do in my physical three

454
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Speaker 1: dimensional world which will create this internal shift, yes, or.

455
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Speaker 3: Will increase the probability of an internal shift? Is how

456
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Speaker 3: I think about it, because you know, if I think

457
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Speaker 3: nothing is guaranteed, there are so many things outside my

458
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Speaker 3: external control, then everything is a game of probability. And

459
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Speaker 3: so I'm a mass nerd. So I like to think

460
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Speaker 3: about how do I increase the probability of the outcome

461
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 3: that I'm hoping for or seeking? And in answering that question,

462
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Speaker 3: I usually you can come up with a couple of

463
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Speaker 3: things that you think might be the keystone, things that

464
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Speaker 3: will increase their probability.

465
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Speaker 1: At least that's how I think about it. When you're

466
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Speaker 1: in front of a group and all of us get

467
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Speaker 1: in front of groups, but you do it full full time.

468
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: That's your job, that's your thing, and you rock up

469
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Speaker 1: one day. I get asked a lot about speaking and

470
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Speaker 1: just people to help people become not necessarily corporate speakers

471
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Speaker 1: or professional speakers, but that right down to people who

472
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Speaker 1: just don't want to be terrified when they're making their

473
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Speaker 1: birthday speech or it's speaking at their daughter's wedding, right

474
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Speaker 1: and everything in between. So you stand up there and

475
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Speaker 1: you're talking to a group for let's just say it's

476
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Speaker 1: a kenote, So you've got forty five to sixty, you're

477
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Speaker 1: doing your thing. What are the things that you are

478
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Speaker 1: aware of than the fact that you know the room,

479
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Speaker 1: you know who you're talking to, You've done a briefing

480
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Speaker 1: call or two, You've kind of got the lay of

481
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Speaker 1: the land in terms of demographic and sociology and who's

482
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Speaker 1: you know, what's the theme of the day and why

483
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Speaker 1: you're there. Then you look around five minutes in and

484
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Speaker 1: people are looking at their iPhone or they're disconnected, or

485
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Speaker 1: they're looking out the window. What do you do in that?

486
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Speaker 1: You know, because we can only prep and know so much,

487
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Speaker 1: but in that moment, what are the skills that you have,

488
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Speaker 1: or what's the awareness that you have where you can

489
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Speaker 1: kind of get back to some kind of connection or

490
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Speaker 1: rapport or like, what do you can you teach us

491
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Speaker 1: something like because I feel like for a lot of us,

492
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Speaker 1: we we might lose the room or lose ourselves and

493
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Speaker 1: we're like, fuck, I don't know where to go from here. Yeah,

494
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Speaker 1: I don't really talking about us. I'm having it before,

495
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Speaker 1: intend it had it? Has it has?

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Speaker 3: I mean I've got a story from this either I

497
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Speaker 3: could share it. I think firstly, i'd say you and

498
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Speaker 3: I perhaps have this in common, which is a comfort

499
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Speaker 3: in throwing out the maybe the plan that we might

500
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Speaker 3: have had based on where the audience is at. I

501
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 3: think so much of keynotes, workshops coaching comes down to

502
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: the same skill, which is can you meet the group

503
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Speaker 3: where they're at? And if they're at a place of

504
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 3: complete distraction and boredom or distraction with emails, then continuing

505
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Speaker 3: the way that you have been for that first five

506
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Speaker 3: minutes is probably not going to change that state. So

507
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Speaker 3: in my mind, it's about can you meet them where

508
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Speaker 3: they're at and if needed, change the state, change the energy,

509
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Speaker 3: change the focus of the room, to create a pattern

510
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Speaker 3: interrupt to get people away from the thing that they're

511
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Speaker 3: currently doing if they are distracted. The way I think

512
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Speaker 3: about that is connection over content. So I think that

513
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Speaker 3: for me personally, go one of the days where I'll

514
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Speaker 3: talk to an audience for forty five minutes without some

515
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Speaker 3: sort of interaction. And in fact, if I was doing

516
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Speaker 3: forty five minutes, for example, I would probably break it

517
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Speaker 3: up into three fifteen minute little sections or three ten

518
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Speaker 3: minute sections with a five minute interactive piece at the

519
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Speaker 3: end of each one. And so if I had, for example,

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Speaker 3: a group that I was five minutes into my first

521
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Speaker 3: ten minute thing, and I was like, I've got an

522
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Speaker 3: interactive element or a question i want them to explore

523
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Speaker 3: with the three people around them in ten minutes time

524
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Speaker 3: or in five minutes time, because we're five minutes into this,

525
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Speaker 3: I'd probably just bring it forward and go and maybe

526
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Speaker 3: even call it out and go, look, it's been a

527
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: long day. If it's been a long day, I recognize

528
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of stuff going on for you all,

529
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: and maybe a few of you are a bit distracted,

530
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 3: a bit sick of hearing my voice. So why don't

531
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Speaker 3: you turn to the person next to you and answer

532
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: a question, which is, what's one thing you're hoping to

533
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Speaker 3: get out of today, or what's one current challenge you

534
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Speaker 3: have right now as it relates to this topic, or

535
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 3: what's a story about something that you had for breakfast

536
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: this morning, purely just to break the pattern of everyone's

537
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: distracted and no one's making any attention whatsoever. My assertion

538
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 3: is in most of my workshops based on how I

539
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: think about them and structure them. And this is not

540
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Speaker 3: for everyone. And that is the thing that most people remember,

541
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Speaker 3: isn't the thing that came out of my mouth, It's

542
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Speaker 3: the thing that came out of the mouth of the

543
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Speaker 3: people that they talked with. So I see my role

544
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Speaker 3: as almost a facilitator of those small conversations and almost

545
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Speaker 3: to get out of the way to ask a question,

546
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 3: to create space and connection with others, but to kind

547
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 3: of not even need to be the one talking, if

548
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 3: that makes sense. So, yes, that would be That would

549
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Speaker 3: be my response to your very good question.

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Speaker 1: I have a warm story if you like, if it

551
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: one earlier today, earlier, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah go. So

552
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: this literally happened.

553
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Speaker 3: I was running a workshop ironically on being more effective

554
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: in communicating and storytelling and about about five or ten

555
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 3: minutes in I asked a question of the group one

556
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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty people in the room, and I asked

557
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Speaker 3: a question and not one person said a single word

558
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 3: for what felt like eight minutes was probably only ten seconds. Yeah,

559
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Speaker 3: And I was told prior you talked about briefing call

560
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: that this was a super engaged group, very extroverted. You

561
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: won't be able to shut them up, so be careful

562
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 3: when you ask questions because they're so keen and eager.

563
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Speaker 3: No one said a single thing, and I had I had,

564
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: not even the person organizing the event, by the way,

565
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 3: which gets I love that what are you doing? So

566
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: I had this kind of out of body experience for

567
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: other I think you might be I think you're bombing,

568
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: Like I think this is going terribly So why don't

569
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: you try something else? Because that didn't work? And so

570
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: I said something like, oh, let's scrap that idea. Clearly

571
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: that's not going to work, So why don't you turn

572
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 3: to the person next to you and answer the same

573
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: question and introduce yourself if you don't know them. And

574
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it was like the room caught fire.

575
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Speaker 3: I couldn't shut them up that were interacting. They were

576
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: shaking hands, and it sort of became evident in this

577
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: process that I realized that these people don't know each other.

578
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: And so when we finished and the rest of the

579
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Speaker 3: session went really well. When I finished, I walked off

580
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Speaker 3: stage and someone came up to me and said, I'm

581
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: so glad you did that turn to the person next

582
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Speaker 3: to you activity, because we've been sitting here for four

583
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Speaker 3: hours and not once have we had the opportunity to

584
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Speaker 3: talk to or interact with the other people on our table,

585
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: and they're total strangers. So I didn't feel comfortable speaking

586
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 3: up in front of one hundred and twenty strangers. But

587
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Speaker 3: I do feel comfortable introducing myself to the person next

588
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Speaker 3: to me. So that very experience was what happened to mean.

589
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Speaker 3: I think changing the approach of talking to a person

590
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 3: next to you, connecting with another human, in my mind,

591
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Speaker 3: is the simplest way to break that cycle.

592
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Speaker 1: That's great. I love it. Can I tell Can I

593
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: tell you one? Please hit me with a war story?

594
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: I love these all right, So I need to be

595
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: very careful about I'll tell you off air, but I

596
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: can't tell you the name of the organization. But okay,

597
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: So I had to do a talk about a year

598
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Speaker 1: ago for one hundred about one hundred people who were

599
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Speaker 1: a mix of psychologists and counselors. Right, so everyone in

600
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Speaker 1: the room was basically like a mental health professional, all qualified,

601
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Speaker 1: all smart. I had to do a whole day, a

602
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: whole day, so I had to talk from nine till five,

603
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: with breaks maybe eight thirty, No, nine till five. Anyway,

604
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: So my plan was, and there's some other variables around

605
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: this that I can't really share that it was just

606
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: it was a tough group anyway, but that's okay. I

607
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: was grateful for the gig I went in. My plan was,

608
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to do, like, my first bit will be

609
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: just really a key, well little kind of fresh start

610
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: of the day. Energy is good, a bit of interaction,

611
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Speaker 1: a bit funny, a bit you know whatever. And it went,

612
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: it went, well, it's about anate, right, It wasn't a ten.

613
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: It's about an eight. Good interaction, pretty good energy, not amazing.

614
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: But I'm doing a whole day essentially around self management,

615
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: self regulation, individual kind of optimization, how to get the

616
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: most out of them, you know, like and I'm speaking

617
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: as the excise scientist, but also the psychology researcher. Obviously

618
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to teach them about psychology, but really

619
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Speaker 1: I'm just like, like, how do you manage you? You?

620
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: How can you show up at work and be the

621
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: best version of you physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, practically whatever

622
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: that is for you. Blah blah blah blah blah. Like

623
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: simple enough cool, which have done a lot anyways, So

624
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: I do my opening keynote and then the boss comes

625
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: up to me, and the boss says, that was good.

626
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: And you know when people go that was good and

627
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: you're like this is not good, It's like, no, that

628
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: was really good. But I'm like, fuck, what's the butt?

629
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Speaker 1: So I've still got the best part of you know,

630
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: allowing for lunch and morning play, lunch and all that stuff,

631
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Speaker 1: I've still got at least five hours of speaking actually

632
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: speaking to go and he or she said, yeah, look,

633
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Speaker 1: just don't talk about diet or exercise or fitness or

634
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, anything to do with the body, because some

635
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: people will be triggered.

636
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 4: Well that was literally about half my day's talking about

637
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 4: just looking after and I'm not talking about being fit

638
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 4: or being jacked or you know, eating paleo or I'm

639
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 4: just talking about how do I manage my body to

640
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 4: also manage my mind and my energy, Because better shape

641
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 4: my body's in, I'm more productive and more efficient, you know,

642
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 4: the better my brain works, because you know, there's all

643
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: these physiological, psychological, and emotional and cognitive benefit through weight training,

644
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 4: for example.

645
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: You know all these stories about lifting weights and cognitive

646
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: you know all this shit. So fifty percent of my

647
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 1: content I had to handle. And then there's like a

648
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: fifteen minute break and I've got to come back now,

649
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: and I've ejected two and a half hours of content.

650
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Speaker 1: At least, Do not talk about food, Do not talk

651
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Speaker 1: about exercise, Do not talk about anything to do with

652
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Speaker 1: the body, because now, remember I'm talking to psychologists. I'm like, surely,

653
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Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about, Hey, how much do you

654
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Speaker 1: weigh or what do you look like? You know, I'm

655
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Speaker 1: just so fair to say that was the toughest gig

656
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Speaker 1: I did last year. Yeah, you know so, but just

657
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: you just got to adapt, don't you. Yeah?

658
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Speaker 3: Do you I feel like I've seen you do this live,

659
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 3: so maybe it's a it's a loaded question in the

660
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 3: sense I know the answer it I've seen you do

661
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 3: really well. Asking the audience for a bit of like

662
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: we could go this way, we could go that way,

663
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: and almost doing a straw pole in the moment, so

664
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Speaker 3: that it's it's adaptable and flexible based on where the

665
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Speaker 3: audience is at.

666
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Speaker 1: Do you still do that? I still do that. I

667
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: don't necessarily plan that, but I mean sometimes I'll go

668
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: in and, like, what you don't want to do as

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00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: a professional speaker, everybody is you do not want to

670
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: talk after lunch for a range of reasons. One, they've

671
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: been listening to people that may or may not be

672
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: boring for at least four or five hours, and then

673
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Speaker 1: they've just eaten all the free awesome, probably not very

674
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Speaker 1: healthy food lunch, so they're in a fucking food coma,

675
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: so they'reques dropped by thirty percent. Yeah, and they're not

676
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: really that excited about you speaking because they're thinking about

677
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: drinks at five point thirty and then you come in

678
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: there like captain fantastic. So yeah, I it depends on

679
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: Like sometimes I'll go in there and I'll say, tell

680
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: me who's spoken, what's happened already, and when based on

681
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 1: that information, I will create a different plan in the moment.

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Speaker 1: Nice just because like I know they've been sitting, Like

683
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Speaker 1: you said, they've been sitting for four hours. Yeah, so

684
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Speaker 1: I'll go, well, let's not sit for an hour, because

685
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: that's probably but that will be context and situation dependent.

686
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: But I think that's part. I think that's part of it, Mate,

687
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: is going, well, this was my intention, but I didn't

688
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: know the dynamics of the lay of the land for sure.

689
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Speaker 3: I think the other thing you do really well, which

690
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 3: is something that I don't do this to the same level.

691
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 3: But I have a similar philosophy, which is I'm not

692
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: going to use slides because ninety nine percent of the

693
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 3: other speakers are using slides. So I deliberately don't use

694
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Speaker 3: slides and usually use a flip chart. And I know

695
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Speaker 3: you love to use a whiteboard in a lot of

696
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 3: your presentations, which I think already creates some sort of

697
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: I think of it as a patent interrupt Yes. And

698
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Speaker 3: so if I'm a speaker thinking about my presentation on

699
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Speaker 3: a day where there's six other speakers, I could pretty

700
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: safely assume that five of those six will have a

701
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Speaker 3: lot of slides. And so if I'm an audience member,

702
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: I've sat through five presentations and slide decks and you

703
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: know they're not all the same, but you know, one

704
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 3: PowerPoint presentation starts to look like another PowerPoint presentation. So

705
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: even before walking in the room, I'm thinking, like, how

706
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: can you be the pattern interrupt of Oh look this

707
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 3: guy's not no slides that's interesting, or look at his handwriting.

708
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 3: His handwriting's quirky, or something else that just triggers a

709
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 3: slightly different part of their brain to react or to

710
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Speaker 3: hopefully switch on.

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Speaker 1: And the problem with a slide show, or the potential

712
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: problem is what if your entire hour is dependent on

713
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: like that's all you plan for. I've got twenty slides

714
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: and you're at slide three and everyone's fucking nodding off right,

715
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: what right? Everybody's clearly not you know, with you? And

716
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: then you're like, ah, well this is not working. I'll

717
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: go to slide for and then it's like, oh, but

718
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Speaker 1: I don't have another plan because my plan is the

719
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: next sixteen slides, and I think that back to your

720
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: whiteboard point. I did one with AGL last week through

721
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: our friend Lisa, and what was interesting was I'm up

722
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: the front with my big fat black whiteboard marker and

723
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: I'm writing on the board and I go all right,

724
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on whatever? You know? I go,

725
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: tell me, tell me when I say the term success,

726
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: what comes to mind for you doesn't matter. Just go.

727
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: And people are so I'm writing their words on the board.

728
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: So they're writing up things, and I go, all right, now,

729
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: let's talk about what stands between us and success? What

730
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: do you think of the things? Don't overthink it, but

731
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: what are the things that really get in the way,

732
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Speaker 1: Not the bullshit things like time? Fuck time? What are

733
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: the other things? You know? And they're like, oh, fear, procrastination, avoidance.

734
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, yep, good, good, keep it going. Then all

735
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we've got this dynamic and everybody's energy

736
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: is good, and they're saying stuff that's now becoming part

737
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: of the tapestry of what's going on, and what they

738
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: said is now literally written in front of the room,

739
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: and they're like, that's my that's my word up there,

740
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: like look at you, look at you steering the ship,

741
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: look at the I love that guy. Like co creation

742
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: as opposed to you know, like a monologue, it's how

743
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: can I how can I co create an experience with

744
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: an audience as opposed to you know, like sure or

745
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: talk at an audience, they're very different things. The other thing,

746
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Speaker 1: I feel like it just is you remind me of

747
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: and this whole conversation reminds me of is one of

748
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: my mentors, and I'm lucky enough to say he's become

749
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: a friend in Seth Godin, who's written twenty something New

750
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: York Times bestsellers, but one of his books is called

751
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: Purple Cow. Yeah, And I think about this concept so often,

752
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: which is love this. I love this concept, by the way,

753
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: which is.

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Speaker 3: It's so I think it's really interesting when you apply

755
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: it to public speaking, in particular, because the premise of

756
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: the book is essentially, you know, if you look in

757
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 3: most fields, well all fields of cows, you've got either

758
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: I think it's brown cows, black cows, white cows, or

759
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: a mixture of those three brown and black or black

760
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: and white, and everyone looks the same. All the fields

761
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: look the same. Can you imagine what it would be

762
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 3: like if you saw a purple cow, like a cow

763
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: in a field that was bright purple. You would call

764
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 3: your friends, you would take a photo, you would post

765
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 3: it to social media, You talk about it NonStop, you

766
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,479
Speaker 3: tell people later on. And his premise in the book

767
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 3: is Essentially, when you're building products, when you're creating experiences,

768
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Speaker 3: when you're thinking about anything as it relates to a

769
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 3: creation that we want people to interact with, you should

770
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Speaker 3: be thinking about making it purple. You should be thinking

771
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Speaker 3: about creating some sort of purple cow that is remarkable,

772
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Speaker 3: which is worth remarking at. So, if you're thinking about

773
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Speaker 3: a presentation and you're thinking about your slide deck or

774
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: not slide deck, or whiteboard or not whiteboard, in my mind,

775
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 3: the question is how do I make this purple? What

776
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 3: is the thing that people are going to walk away

777
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 3: and go either take a photo of the thing that

778
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: you did in that moment, or remind them to tell

779
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 3: their friend later on or their partner of a dinner

780
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 3: of like, can you believe I saw this thing or

781
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: heard this thing?

782
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think you know you.

783
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: And I've seen enough sixteen page slide decks or more

784
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 3: like sixty page slide decks that there's not a heap

785
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 3: of purple in them. And I think it's a really

786
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 3: easy way to create a different experience for yourself if

787
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 3: you can answer that question, what's your purple cap?

788
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: I love it. I remember years ago I just started

789
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: my PT business and I was probably two years in

790
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: and my business skills were one. My management skills were one.

791
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: You know, not fucking everything what I could train people

792
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: and talk and everything else like nothing. And I'm trying

793
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,479
Speaker 1: to build a brand and a business and I'm trying

794
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: to understand it. And I was training a guy called

795
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Speaker 1: Jim Watts, who was the CEO of sin Killed, a

796
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: football club, and he goes to me, well, I used

797
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: to pick his brain because he was still is like

798
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: extremely smart. Yeah. So I'd train him and he'd kind

799
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: of mentor and coach me. And he goes, well, what's

800
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: your USP? And I go what he goes? I go,

801
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: you know, when someone asks you a question that they

802
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: think you should actually called it right, I don't understand

803
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: the question. I don't even understand the question. That's how

804
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: fucking dumb I am. Not only can I not give

805
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: you an answer to the question, I don't understand and

806
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: the question. And then he's like, so that means your

807
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: unique selling proposition. I'm like, oh what, I'm like yeah,

808
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: and he goes, well, if you're doing what everyone else

809
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: is doing and you're kind of selling the same thing

810
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: the same way and delivering the same product at about

811
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: the same price, and I'm like, purple cow, you know

812
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: what's Yeah, it's like it's the same thing, and yeah,

813
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: you might be. It's like people. Somebody actually asked me.

814
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: A lady actually asked me recently her son's doing a

815
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: personal training course and she goes, aren't there isn't the

816
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: market saturated? I go, yes, but it's not saturated with

817
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: brilliant trainers. It's just saturated. If you can be, if

818
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: you can be the one percent, if you can be

819
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: the unicorn. If you can and I could give you

820
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: a list of twenty things that would make you a

821
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: unicorn trainer. If you can do those and be those,

822
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: you're going to be busy as fuck. You know. We

823
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 1: had I had a go on recently Dre on who

824
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: is it Andre Andreas anyway, Dre who was on the

825
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: show recently, who's spent four and a half years in prison,

826
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: came out of prison for dealing drugs. He's very open

827
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Speaker 1: about his story and four years down the track, he's

828
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: just opened his He did a degree while I was

829
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Speaker 1: in prison, then he did another degree in exose science

830
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: when he got out of prison. And I can't say

831
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Speaker 1: how much he generates a week, but it's thousands as

832
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: a pt and he's just opened his first center, but

833
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: he's spent the last four years just out of jail

834
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: training people in his garage at one hundred and twenty

835
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: bucks for forty five minutes, and he's booked out and

836
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: he's got a waiting list. Now, if you can do

837
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: that in a shitty garage with all equipment, when there's

838
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: gyms down the road with millions of dollars worth of equipment,

839
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: if I was a trainer, I'd want to go and

840
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: see what that guy does. If I was a budding trainer,

841
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, how does this guy with no equipment and

842
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: no premises to speak of? What does he have? What

843
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: is he doing that's making all of these people with

844
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: lots of dough drive to his fucking garage and hand

845
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: him hundreds of dollars a week? Fascinating? That's the thing, right,

846
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: if you can brilliant whatever it is like, and he's.

847
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 3: I feel like, in a business context you could think about, like,

848
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: you know, the flip the flip of that I think

849
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 3: about is you know someone with an awesome Instagram account

850
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: or a beautiful website and they've spent thousands of dollars

851
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 3: or millions of not They've spent thousands of dollars with

852
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 3: thousands of hours crafting this beautifully unique experience on Instagram

853
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: looks great.

854
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, versus the then.

855
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 3: You know, there's the person who has this thriving coaching

856
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: business it doesn't even know what Instagram is or doesn't

857
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: even have Instagram. It's like, yes, they've got the garage equivalent.

858
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 3: I'm just coaching people out of my garage here, Like,

859
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 3: what are you talking about? I need an Instagram account?

860
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 3: That is so true and even in the domain of

861
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 3: and this. Of course, I'm not anti academia or anti qualifications,

862
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 3: but so many people who have got degrees or honors

863
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Speaker 3: or masters or PhDs or whatever, and they're good things,

864
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Speaker 3: but it doesn't necessarily equate to any kind of success

865
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 3: other than academic, right, I.

866
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Speaker 1: Mean, I've got it. Go on, I've got it.

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Speaker 3: I was just going to say, I've got a bachelor's degree,

868
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 3: nothing more. And I've worked with CEOs of some of

869
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Speaker 3: the biggest companies in the world, from America to Europe

870
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: to Australia, and not once has anyone said to me,

871
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Speaker 3: can you show me your call it like qualifications? Where's

872
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 3: your master's degree. Have you got a PhD? I've literally

873
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: never been asked that question.

874
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I said that in all my years of

875
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: training people, which was over thirty right, one person, and

876
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: it was just out of curiosity because they wanted to

877
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 1: know how to become a trainer. One person that nobody

878
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: asked me to see a bit of paper. But one

879
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: person said, oh, what what qualification do you have? You know,

880
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like, thank god somebody asked, although is at

881
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: UNI actually did it? It's like, yeah, nobody, you know,

882
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: if you can. It's like you think about, you think

883
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: about you talk a lot. Firstly, what was your degree in?

884
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Speaker 3: I did an arts degree majoring in actually criminology of

885
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 3: all things and communication.

886
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you talk a lot about human behavior and psychology,

887
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: tips so do I.

888
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 3: None of us have got a degree in psychology, none

889
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: of us criminal elements of it. But definitely this was like,

890
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 3: why do people solve crimes? Crimes as opposed to be

891
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 3: better leaders?

892
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: And you're not putting yourself up as a guru of

893
00:46:55,719 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: human behavior or psychology or I just think that, you know.

894
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: It's like I talk to people about diet but I'm

895
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: not a dietician. But I'm not prescribing a diet. But

896
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Speaker 1: I don't need to go to university to say, hey, Pete,

897
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: Coco pops are probably not your best choice for brecky, right,

898
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, like you probably don't need a psychology degree

899
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: to understand that calling yourself a fuck with thirty times

900
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: a day is not great. It's probably not a good yeah,

901
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: you know. And so do you have any aspirations one

902
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: way or the other for twenty twenty five as we

903
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: wind up here?

904
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Speaker 3: Mate to be determined if there's anything more than continue

905
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: to do what I've done. I've had this experience in

906
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: the last few years where because I have spent so

907
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 3: many years and so much time and energy nerding out

908
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: on you know, personal and professional development and listening to

909
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 3: podcasts and reading books and trying to work out, you know,

910
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: what's the thing that you need to be doing and

911
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: what's I thought. I got to the point where I

912
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: was looking for some dramatic change that I needed to

913
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: do every year, and at one point a couple years ago,

914
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: it kind of dawned on me maybe it's less about

915
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: the dramatic change and more about continuing to compound on

916
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 3: the good things that you're already doing and so it

917
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: feels like it feels like a counterculture un sexy thing

918
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 3: to say. But I kind of am at the point

919
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 3: of going, what if I just doubled down or continued

920
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 3: to focus on the healthy habits that I already had.

921
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: What if I.

922
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 3: Continue to try and not work mondays and spend that

923
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 3: with Oli. What would happen in twelve months if I

924
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: did that rather than I've got to completely.

925
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: Change the way that I live my life.

926
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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's how I'm thinking about it, is what

927
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Speaker 3: are the great things that I know are good for

928
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Speaker 3: me and they give me energy? And can I just

929
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Speaker 3: not focus on those again?

930
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. And sometimes it's just like, well,

931
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: where I'm at as good nothing. It's like this is

932
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Speaker 1: actually good. Like when I do a stop take on

933
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: what's going on on planet me, I'm very grateful, you know.

934
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's always quirks and things, and you know, certain

935
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: thoughts that you have that you wish you didn't have

936
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: or you can work on. But I tend to agree

937
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 3: with I catch myself in this constance, can catch myself

938
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Speaker 3: in a constant state of striving, which I feel like

939
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: can actually be unhelpful to the point of what if

940
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: you just were grateful for where you are and what

941
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: you have right now, rather than looking for the opportunity

942
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:23,959
Speaker 3: to be better.

943
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: Cookie, if you could do one thing better next year

944
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: other than be you know, the calm in the chaos

945
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: now that you're Tiff had a big spiritual epiphany and

946
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: not even being funny, she did have a bit of

947
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: a she's a bit of a renaissance woman's she's seen

948
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: the light. Nice twenty twenty five. Is there something that

949
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: you want to change in any particular way?

950
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: There's something I am changing, And it's just consistency in

951
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: my in coaching, like choosing one area of the multiple

952
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: things I do and making that a real paw to

953
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Speaker 2: develop me and develop it and can like consistently.

954
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and we can. I ask what lane that

955
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: is because you kind of you've got your fingers in

956
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Speaker 1: a few pies. Yeah.

957
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: So that's the mind pt the the coaching people in

958
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Speaker 2: terms so the workshops and the coaching programs that I'm

959
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: that I'm doing. So I just want to get rich.

960
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: That fills me up the most. I want to get

961
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Speaker 2: really good at that. So and it's just about consistency.

962
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Speaker 2: It's been three years since I ran a one off workshop,

963
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: which I did last week, and it's like three years.

964
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: Why you don't get better waiting three years?

965
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: That's true, dude, that's true. If people want to thank you, tif,

966
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: if people want to find you, follow connect with you,

967
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: and come and see you and Ollie, how do they

968
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Speaker 1: do that?

969
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Speaker 3: Human periscope dot com is the website. I don't think

970
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Speaker 3: Allie's on there yet, but feel free to reach out

971
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 3: and ask a question and I'll send you a photo.

972
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Speaker 1: That's your podcast. You stood on your pot The Long

973
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: End six years and counting.

974
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: Jen and I have still have three hundred and something

975
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Speaker 3: odd episodes and we still have The Long on the

976
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Speaker 3: Short of It. Gens five foot one, I'm six foot seven,

977
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 3: and we spend twenty minutes once a week talking about

978
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Speaker 3: a topic that relates to, you know, being a leader,

979
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Speaker 3: being a creative, being a freelancer, being an entrepreneur.

980
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Speaker 1: I don't want to be precious, but I keep clicking

981
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: refresh on my email and I don't see an invite.

982
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 3: But stand by, we've we only ever had one guest,

983
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 3: and it's Seth Godin. We had no guests on our podcast.

984
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: That's a good reason to make an exception. Hey, mate,

985
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 3: we'll say goodbye Fair but your ace and father of

986
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 3: the year.

987
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Speaker 1: You are. That's what I'm going to call this episode,

988
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: Father of the Year. We appreciate you. Thanks Mate, thanks

989
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: for having me, Tip, thanks for having me Greig.

990
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Speaker 2: Thanks guys,