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Speaker 1: Hi, my Boris and this is straight talk everyone, Samson

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Speaker 1: will and straight talk.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: As one of the big female representatives in particularly ROPA

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Speaker 1: league like it just wind you back. Did you have

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Speaker 1: aspirations of being a journalist?

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Speaker 3: I did, Actually, I always wanted to tell stories and

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Speaker 3: sport was always.

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Speaker 2: My my sweet spot. Did you play the game Sunny

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Speaker 2: Co Sirens starting number.

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Speaker 1: Nine, number nine again, you're in the spine?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I was in the spine.

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Speaker 3: You've never seen anyone move slower out of dummy half

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Speaker 3: than me, and I would shut my eyes in tackles.

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Speaker 3: So I was told by numerous people, if you're switching

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Speaker 3: And I didn't know if that was true. I knew

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Speaker 3: it would have been true in the past. I didn't

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Speaker 3: know if that was still the case, but I was

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Speaker 1: Were you nervous, Oh my god, there's a lot on

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Speaker 1: your shoulders.

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Speaker 2: So nervous.

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Speaker 3: That passed away when I was twenty And for him

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Speaker 3: to have even contemplated that, I was sitting there a

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Speaker 3: site like Locker and Bennie and Zero like, I just thought,

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Speaker 3: my god, that's such a big moment. So I wanted

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Speaker 3: to do everyone proud.

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Speaker 1: Go one Samson will straight talk.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: You're very well talking outside. You've very accomplished one on

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Speaker 1: one conversationally. And if I could just wind you back

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Speaker 1: to when you're a young kid, did you have aspirations

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Speaker 3: I did, actually do you know, probably way back when.

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Speaker 3: So my grandfather was a racehorse trainer, and so I

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Speaker 3: was always at the stables with him in the morning,

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Speaker 3: always had my own little pony.

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Speaker 2: You know, nothing.

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Speaker 1: Flat where you are.

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Speaker 3: It was sort of hinterland Sunshine Coast, so he had

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Speaker 3: he had training stables down here at Warrick Farm. They

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Speaker 3: had a nice start out at Camden, which they sold

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Speaker 3: look at us. But then everyone moved to Queensland and

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Speaker 3: that's sort of where I came along. And I think

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Speaker 3: for me growing up, I went to school after the races,

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Speaker 3: and almost every month day I wanted to write a

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Speaker 2: Horses had done.

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Speaker 3: On the Saturday at Corball Park, and so I would

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Speaker 3: So I think I always wanted to tell stories, so

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Speaker 3: I think even by mid primary school I knew I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a sports journalist, a sports.

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Speaker 3: General because I've really I gave everything else ago. I'm

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Speaker 1: Being a Queenslander, that's okay, But being a Queenslander, being

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Speaker 1: a Queenslander, how much does how much do you think

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Speaker 1: sport fills the cup of Queensland? It's just generally just everybody,

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Speaker 1: not in a journalistic sense, but just generally generally. And

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Speaker 1: why is that? So? Is it because of the weather?

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Speaker 1: Why we've got so many great swimmers that come out

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Speaker 1: understand why we've got some many great foot rugby legue

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Speaker 1: plays come out of Queensland. Queensland, But what is that.

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Speaker 2: It's part of our identity.

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Speaker 3: It became part of our culture, it became part of

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Speaker 3: and it's I think it's the values of sport, you know,

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Speaker 3: They're the kind of values that Queenslanders liked to see

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Speaker 3: themselves as. So definitely, and I think for rugby league

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Speaker 3: that chip on the shoulder became a giant, giant point

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's an enduring process, because I do.

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Speaker 1: You think it's some stage though, And I'm obviously not

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Speaker 1: on Queensland because it's never going to happen, but do

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Speaker 1: you think that is it's possible that that over time

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Speaker 1: you're potentially getting diluted, probably a little later than Sydney

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Speaker 1: will dilute this underlying fervor for sport, particularly rugbily.

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Speaker 2: That sense of identity. Maybe maybe, But I think it.

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Speaker 3: Is so so strong north of the Tweed that it

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Speaker 3: very different and when you become part of that riter passage,

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Speaker 3: you're walking down Caxton Street into the sun Corpse state

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Speaker 3: in the old Lange Park, that big old cauldron and

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Speaker 3: you do feel a sense of belonging and I guess

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Speaker 3: that's what it feeds into. And to your point, will

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Speaker 3: it become diluted? I think the tribe can become bigger hopefully,

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Speaker 3: and we don't have that, you know, that dissipation of interest.

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Speaker 2: I think maybe they just recruit more along the way.

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Speaker 3: And you know, people who move to Queensland say how

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Speaker 3: signing up want to be part of that And it

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Speaker 3: doesn't have to be rugby League. I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: whatever sporting aspect you choose, the swimming, the surfing, saving

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a great place to be.

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Speaker 1: But did you feel as though you and along with

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Speaker 1: some others, you know, like fat in all those others

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Speaker 2: Is it obnoxious?

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Speaker 1: No, be honest no, no, I don't know. But but

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Speaker 1: I feel as though there's a cohort of people, one

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Speaker 1: for to keep this cultural thing going. I feel as

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Speaker 1: though you're going you're not going out of your way,

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Speaker 1: but you are. All of you are sort of singing

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Speaker 3: About it, you haven't, but it's a silent dog whistle

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Speaker 3: only queens that's really that's pretty powerful.

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Speaker 1: That is and it's is pretty powerful. And you know,

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Speaker 1: and they and you guys have implanted yourselves in all

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Speaker 1: the systems. So we've got you on Fox. We've got

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Speaker 1: you know, we've got the Cohort on Channel nine, which

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Speaker 1: is like, you know, generalize like a Queensland station. Other

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Speaker 1: And it feels like everybody is trying the hardest to

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Speaker 1: we keep going back to the Arthur beats and running

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Speaker 1: you know, like by the way, New South Wales never

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Speaker 1: what the hell it is, but back in the same year,

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Speaker 1: but we keep having the conversation. Even here in New

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Speaker 1: South Wales, we talk about it. Fox Tell talks, Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports talks about it. Channel nine talks about it and

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Speaker 1: it has had its origins here in Sydney. Do you

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Speaker 1: feel as though there's some obligation.

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Speaker 3: No, not an obligation, It just sort of comes naturally.

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Speaker 3: But you're right, it's a really good observation that we

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Speaker 3: all and Billy right. So Billy's a current Queensland coach

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Speaker 3: and he he's probably at the forefront of this. Where

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Speaker 3: for Queensland, Where for the people, Where for the families

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Speaker 3: of Queensland, the communities. It's all it's not about this team,

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Speaker 3: it's about the state. And it's a bigger sense of

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Speaker 3: how you conduct yourself in both, you know, with the

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Speaker 3: That is the main driving purpose, you know, be be

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, Billy's really grab that. And I know some

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Speaker 3: people like to poke fund at some of his post

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Speaker 3: batch press conferences, but I'll tell you what I've been

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Speaker 3: Queensland that they.

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Speaker 1: Like, I love it.

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Speaker 2: They love it.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's nearly like Billy's running for a premier, Like

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Speaker 1: it's to me.

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Speaker 2: He might, I'd vote for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people would, by the way, committed

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Speaker 1: to current Blake, a lot of Blake would. But but

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Speaker 1: but I don't know if Billy ever thought, when he

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Speaker 1: be something that he'd be prosecuting that's hard, and that

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Speaker 1: he would actually even articulate and recognize these things. Then

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Speaker 1: when he was just contemplating becoming the coach, you know,

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Speaker 1: when he was just out, he was just out a

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Speaker 1: foot of himself. It only been out of a year

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Speaker 1: or two, a couple of years. It's a big responsibility. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you are doing something for the state.

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Speaker 4: Do you know.

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Speaker 3: It's funny when I first moved down here twenty ten,

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Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, so I got that, and and

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Speaker 3: I noticed people from Sydney.

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Speaker 2: You know, you go what's called you go to away

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Speaker 2: from where do you live? Right? So it's all very

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Speaker 2: much job you got. Yeah, yeah, so it's all very likely.

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Speaker 3: It's oh we live in north Shore, we live over

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Speaker 3: the east, we live out west. You know, that's basically

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Speaker 3: kind of it. And then you run into another queens

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Speaker 3: you go away from oh, Queensland go beauty. So people

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Speaker 3: just say Queensland like a broad sweeping, like no one goes, oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm from Nambor on Sunshine cost Like you just say

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Speaker 3: Queensland and that's enough.

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Speaker 2: Like that's you're off and running.

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Speaker 1: We're brothers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: You just have to say like no one ever says

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Speaker 3: I'm from New South Wales, like it's not a right

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Speaker 3: from a particular spot in New South So I don't know, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: think in terms of our how we like to see

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't know what it is, but you've

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Speaker 1: Yeah you are?

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Speaker 3: What is it about your story that's interesting? Everyone's got

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Speaker 3: So for that sort of synergy to be happening for him,

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Speaker 3: I did it because it was always traditionally a cadet

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Speaker 1: And then did you do a cadets ship.

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Speaker 3: I did three years at university at QTa in Brisbane,

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Speaker 2: So you know, I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: And can I just stop, because could just explain right

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Speaker 3: Correspondent, yes, yep, yep, or go to la or go

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Speaker 1: Or run the office over there.

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Speaker 2: That is the most marketable.

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Speaker 3: It drives billions in revenue and broadcast rights, whereas I

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Speaker 3: If you can't get a ticket to the game, then

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Speaker 1: You would have known that at the time, but no,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this process very good at it, to be honest,

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Speaker 3: I had no interest to you, Oh I did. I

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Speaker 2: So that was like twenty five years ago.

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Speaker 3: And even so, for instance, the academics deliberately put one

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Speaker 3: And so they said if no, if anyone who doesn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So and I thought, how ridiculous I've been going to

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Speaker 2: Not showing up for the test. So I didn't and

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Speaker 3: I had to signed a stat deck saying my car

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Speaker 3: Twenty five years later, my carting break down, I went

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that? But you get to the exam, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: But I think it was just their deliberate obstructionist attitude

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Speaker 2: But it just wasn't my strong point. It's not it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I did your twelve by distance education between

443
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 3: so at home on the farm because I was riding

444
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 3: horses at quite a high level at that stage. And yeah, yeah,

445
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,320
Speaker 3: but I was on the estrangerress Argeta, and yeah, I

446
00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 3: thought horses were going to be my life, but still

447
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,879
Speaker 3: really wanted to be part of I still wanted to

448
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 3: further my education. So finished year twelve, I sat my

449
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,480
Speaker 3: it a op and Queensland, but HSC at the local

450
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,119
Speaker 3: post office because that was the only JP in town.

451
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,640
Speaker 3: I did on my exams out of the back room

452
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 3: of the post office, got into university, started doing work

453
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,159
Speaker 3: experience for free for like maybe a year at my

454
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 3: little local newsroom in richard Or and again focusing on

455
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 3: sport and just hung around.

456
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:30,199
Speaker 2: You know.

457
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,680
Speaker 3: It's stubbornness, just persistent stubbornness. Until one of the sports

458
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,919
Speaker 3: journos went on holiday over Christmas and I got my

459
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 3: first paid gig and just covered everything.

460
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:40,919
Speaker 2: And it was in Mererborough.

461
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 3: So drive up to Mererborough cricket and pigeon racing and

462
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 3: sailing and whatever they.

463
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,399
Speaker 2: Do around Meerboro, and I loved it. It was great.

464
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Speaker 1: And so that's was like one of the subsidiary newspapers

465
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 1: of news corporate those No, it was just a.

466
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Speaker 3: Little local news on TV. So it was like local

467
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Speaker 3: news television.

468
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah wow. And so how did you end up getting

469
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,959
Speaker 1: into Fox and like Fox Sports that is? I mean,

470
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 1: what was that process?

471
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 2: Oh?

472
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 3: So?

473
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 2: Oh gosh.

474
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 3: So I probably did local TV in Queensland for ten years,

475
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 3: lost my job a couple of times through that, walked

476
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 3: away from TV, thought it was full of people I

477
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 3: didn't like, was going to go back to our horses,

478
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 3: went and road in dress I stud in Denmark and

479
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 3: prepped yeelings for thoroughbreds in tattersals over in Europe and

480
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 3: golfs and came back hated TV full of dickheads, didn't

481
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 3: want to you know, and all that sort of stuff,

482
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 3: and then went straight back into a news ring. So

483
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 3: I didn't have any money, and I think by the

484
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 3: second time I lost my job, I ended up coming

485
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 3: down to Sydney and just trying my hands. So Sky

486
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 3: News gave me a shop and I was there for

487
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 3: a couple of years, which I loved, trying to lie

488
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 3: and picked me up after that was there for four years.

489
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Speaker 1: So just what did you do at nine? Were you

490
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: like a sport journal and then did you do that

491
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: for show and stuff like that?

492
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 2: Off and on.

493
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 3: I wasn't very good at the gag stuff, so I

494
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 3: did sort.

495
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 1: Of feature pieces straight. Yeah.

496
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I love a good time.

497
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 1: You were round at the same time.

498
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Aaron had jumped in and I think it

499
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 2: was Sterlow had just left.

500
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 3: Or maybe Slats. I can't remember now, but yeah, it

501
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 3: was good. It was a good time and I just

502
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 3: timed it to the extent that. Like So, Steve Crawley

503
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 3: was the head of wide Water Sports at that time,

504
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 3: and he called me in and said, look, you know,

505
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 3: we're thinking about having a woman involved in the coverage.

506
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 2: What do you think.

507
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 3: I said, Oh, well, that'd be like that's bigger than

508
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 3: my wildest dream. So I'd be working on Rugby League

509
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 3: on the broadcast since it's phenomenal.

510
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, I started doing that and yeah, I loved it.

511
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: But that was at nine.

512
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 2: That was at nine and then.

513
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 3: Crawls left wild Water Sports went across the Fox and

514
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 3: called me twelve months later and said, we're starting up

515
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 3: a twenty four hour Fox League channel.

516
00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 2: Do you want to come across and.

517
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? But people sort of

518
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: saying we want to get a female.

519
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny.

520
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I understand, yeah, and I know that they've

521
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 3: had to level the playing field, and I don't I

522
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 3: know the conversation can be a bit confronting, like, hey,

523
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 3: we want a female.

524
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: I never took offense to it. I was just happy

525
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 2: to be in consideration.

526
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 3: But to be fair, I'd have to say a majority

527
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 3: of the people I've worked with have never really treated

528
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 3: me like the female higher. They treat me like a journalist,

529
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 3: they treat me like a broadcaster. They treat me like

530
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 3: a fan of the game, like any other person. So

531
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 3: I've never felt one out.

532
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: Do you know. I've never felt not included.

533
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: But equally, we don't want to be treated as one

534
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: of the blokes.

535
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 2: I don't.

536
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 3: I definitely don't want to be one of the boys,

537
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 3: because I think we've had women who have felt the

538
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 3: pressure to.

539
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 2: Be one of the boys. I'm not one of the boys.

540
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 2: I just want to be I just want to turn

541
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Speaker 2: up and do my job.

542
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: Because I remember it at the time, I remember the

543
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: Crawley game in Fox Sports. I remember league Fox Sports

544
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: was seeing the Fox League. But I also remember the

545
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: decision to drag you across, and I remember seeing you

546
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: on the nine showing and remember remember seeing Erin and

547
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: I remember seeing the difference between the way the two

548
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: of you pitched your positions, so you were both you

549
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: both pitched totally differently. And I'm not you know, she's

550
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: gone and do great as well, Aeron. I mean, I

551
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: love Erin, She's great. But I sort of remember you

552
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: were more to me anyway, as my assessment, you're more

553
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: the straight the straight person. What I mean by that is.

554
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: No, I get it, yeah you I wasn't.

555
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: You were straight to the camera. You were your actual

556
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,199
Speaker 1: proper journalists and not saying Aaron was not. But she

557
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: was more part of the gags as well. She played

558
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: along with stuff. Ye and and sort of was one

559
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: of the boys, so to speak. And I actually thought

560
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: to myself at the time the decision to I thought

561
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: about the decision, and I thought to himself, that's interesting

562
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: whether it was judicious or not on Crawley's part of you.

563
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: From his point of view, I thought it was quite

564
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: I thought it was a smart decision because instead of

565
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: them more in terms of how you projected yourself, because

566
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: I thought, as a viewer, I don't want to watch

567
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: a journalist in rugby league who wants to be one

568
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: of the boys. I want a journalist in ragby league

569
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: who wants to be journalist? And I just thought that

570
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: was a good point of difference because the footy show

571
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: was very slapstick. Yeah, it's hilarious, very funny, and you

572
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: know Fatty forgetting ship and all that sort of stuff.

573
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: You know, you know, you know it was. I really was.

574
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 2: It was must watch for totally.

575
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: Like I used to sit up up at my farm

576
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: on Thursday nights and I get a half a bottle

577
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: of wine because you buy half botles those days, and

578
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: I was drinking half bottle of wine and pass out

579
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: watching it like it was. It was just like an escape.

580
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 2: For me, and that was the tonic every single week.

581
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: Totally. It was beautiful. But I thought to myself too, though,

582
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: that if you're setting up a new competing channel, I

583
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: thought it was very clever from Crawley's point of view,

584
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: putting let's call it a a serious journalist on sport,

585
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: but someone who actually, when I say serious journal wasn't

586
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: how you looked. You sort of look different, obviously looked different, Erron,

587
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: but you came across as very detailed. You really hit

588
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: the points you knew. You look like you knew what

589
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: you're talking about to me, and on the view, I

590
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: don't know whether you do know you're talking about it,

591
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: but you look like you did. I was convinced, and

592
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: I thought it was a very smart thing and I

593
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: and actually, funnily enough, as a result of that, I

594
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: started to watch less of the Footay Show and more

595
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: of what you guys are doing. I now would say,

596
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, channelize my partner, don't challem,

597
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: please don't get it upset about this. But I would

598
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: say the coverage by Fox to Today, particularly today, is

599
00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: the best coverage of rugby league there is.

600
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 3: In the name far I think and what you've touched on,

601
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 3: there was a shift in the desire from fans and

602
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: the expectation from fans. So yes, Chanla Land has always

603
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: been this amazing pillar of rugby, Llay and the cricket

604
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 3: and the Olympics and all those big ticket sporting items,

605
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: big entertainment, big entertainment. But I think also there was

606
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 3: a shift for fans and it's sort of been in

607
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: the rise of this what I call a super coach

608
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 3: generation of kids who may have not even played the

609
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: game but they know the stats and the data and

610
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 3: the detail behind every single player out there, and so

611
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 3: fans want that sort of dynamic played out on TV.

612
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: So I don't mind asking, you know the mortals and

613
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 3: champions and premiership winners that I'm so lucky to sit

614
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,239
Speaker 3: beside each and every week, a tough question about the

615
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: team or a player or a tactic. It's because I

616
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 3: think fans at home now have an appetite for, well,

617
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 3: why what's happened to the Broncos?

618
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: Do you know? You can't all?

619
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: And there is, of course rugby league, and we're a

620
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: very broad church and it doesn't matter where you're from

621
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 3: and you know where he went to school. If you

622
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 3: love the game, then there is a place for you

623
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 3: in our and we all have opinions and we love

624
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 3: a good time and there is a huge sense of

625
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 3: silliness to the game which I think you've got to

626
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 3: lean into as well. So there is always the light

627
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 3: and shade of rugby league, and I think that's the

628
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 3: cut and thrust of the game itself and the people involved.

629
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: But I think if you can offer something different, which

630
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 3: I think the fans were sort of ready for at

631
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: that time, and just in terms of seeing and hearing me.

632
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 3: I didn't know if fans were ready to hear a

633
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 3: female voice. I was told by numerous people fans will

634
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: never accept a female voice. If you're switching on for

635
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: the footy and the first thing they hear is a

636
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 3: female voice, that are going to switch off. And I

637
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: didn't know if that was true. I knew it would

638
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 3: have been true in the past. I didn't know if

639
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 3: that was still the case. But I was happy to give.

640
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: It a go.

641
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: And were you nervous?

642
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: Oh my god, A lot on his sholders so nervous.

643
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: And you're right.

644
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: It wasn't just about me trying to do a good

645
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: job and be alto prepared. It was like, I think

646
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 3: it was built up with this gender thing underneath it,

647
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: you know, first woman to so I felt like, if

648
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: I mess this up, I've let the whole sisterhood down,

649
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 3: Like this is bad.

650
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't really that that man, That wasn't the point eitherboy, No,

651
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: but it was sort of how over that, but that's

652
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: what was being yeah portrayed, Yeah, of course, yeah, that's

653
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: what people were talking about.

654
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I had never sort of I've never walked

655
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: into a room leading with the gender thing, like it's

656
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: the last thing, you know. I don't introduce myself as,

657
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: oh h, I'm I'm a female, like you know, it's

658
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: a bizarre thing to sort of lead with in terms.

659
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: Of the story.

660
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just I was so desperate to a

661
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 3: do a good job for the people who put me

662
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 3: in that position. B do a good job for the

663
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 3: fans who are watching at home, ce, do a good

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Speaker 3: job for all of my family who were beside themselves,

665
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 3: Like my poor old dad passed away when I was twenty,

666
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 3: and for him to have even contemplated that I was

667
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: sitting there beside like Blocker he was balmoon boy, right,

668
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: so Blocker and Benny and Zero, like for him to

669
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Speaker 3: even think that I am lucky enough to meet those

670
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Speaker 3: guys rather than like talk to them and socialize and barbecues,

671
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: Like I just thought, my god, that's such a big moment.

672
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: So I wanted to do everyone proud. And last of all,

673
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Speaker 3: I didn't want to embarrass myself, to be honest.

674
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Speaker 1: When they sit in there and I guess is more equality,

675
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: But when all the executive producers and the whole team

676
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: sit down with you and they say, well, this is

677
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Speaker 1: the show we're contemplating it's going to be called Fox,

678
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: so he's going to have its own channel and you're

679
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: going to be the host. Do they tell you what

680
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: the objective is? Do they say we're trying to drag

681
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: people away from the opposing station? Was general on at

682
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: that stage? Do they tell you that? Do they give

683
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: you objective?

684
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Speaker 3: I'm sure those conversations are had like far above our level,

685
00:30:59,040 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: but they.

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Speaker 1: Don't share with you. No, who pressure on you?

687
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: No?

688
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: I think they just sort of they go, well, here's

689
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: the rundown. You know, we've got so many minutes before

690
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: our first ad break. This is the overlay we've cut.

691
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Speaker 1: You go and you read off her.

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00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: No, I wish I had a teleprompter.

693
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,959
Speaker 3: No I wish no, no, no, gosh, I haven't had

694
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: I haven't had an auto Q for since I would

695
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: have read some of the news bulletins on Channel line

696
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: eight years ago. Wow, so this is all just off

697
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: the calf. Yeah, because I think as it's more natural. Yeah,

698
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: well it's a conversation run and footy. I think I

699
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: don't think it would work if you had an auto Q.

700
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: I know some people use it, but you've got a

701
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: bugging you.

702
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: Yes, usually people screaming, get to an ad break. Please

703
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: make that person be quiet.

704
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: Jimmy Gray has gone on for too long.

705
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: Michael Andis has not drawn breath for five minutes. We've

706
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: got to get to an add break.

707
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: I love Jimmy. I got to catch up. And the

708
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: same as in a yeah, but like so, but the

709
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: bug's not sort of leading you along.

710
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: Just the producer will say, hey, we've got you know,

711
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 3: Nathan Cleary, he's ready to go out at the ground.

712
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: Can you get to cross to throw to Nathan? He's ready,

713
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: he's in position. Yeah, I think it's it's funny. That

714
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: is a question I get a lot from people. Is

715
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 3: someone telling you what to say? Or do you have

716
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: it all written in front of you on an audo?

717
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 1: Ok?

718
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: I do all my notes like I'm old schol I

719
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 3: have to write all my notes out. And I spent

720
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Speaker 3: hours before every game listening and writing it and doing

721
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: all that.

722
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: But no, I just don't think a OK would work.

723
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 3: And yeah, no, the well you would see in the

724
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: old days, Remember Fatty used to pull his earpiece out

725
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 3: because the extra voice.

726
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: In your head can be a little over a woman.

727
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: It's quite distracting.

728
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: I was working with Joey one day and he started

729
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: we were talking about we're on air, and he just went,

730
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: I know, I don't think so, and I was like, pardon,

731
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: and then I realized he had spoke. He had answered

732
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: the voice in his ear, theer my god with the

733
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 3: footed players don't need to have the pieces.

734
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: When I did The Apprentice, and they used to be

735
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: saying to me, look to your left, Pauline is about

736
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: to cry that is detail, and ask her a question,

737
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: are you okay?

738
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: And then just a little bit.

739
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they really get to me. But but it

740
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: took me years to get used to it. Yeah, in

741
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: the end I got used to it. But that they

742
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: can be because I was off wondering whether your material

743
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: is your material or whether you're getting fed material because

744
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: I asked Break the same thing. Yeah, Braith basically gets

745
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: told to wind up, Gordy or whatever, yes or Buzz

746
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: or whatever, whoever is having an argument, that's usually those two.

747
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 1: But most of the stuff it's his material. And so

748
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: because now I want to ask you about your material,

749
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: because I had Maddie John sitting right at you there,

750
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: and Maddie is the most detailed researcher with a memory

751
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: like no one I've ever known before, Like amazing memory

752
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: on information data dates years? Who sung? What? Who played?

753
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 4: What?

754
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: Position? Like you know what tribe is? What is your

755
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: prep Like, Oh.

756
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 3: Look, I'm I would love to say I've got a

757
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 3: memory like Maddie, and I just don't.

758
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: I kin'd of remember what happened last week, you know.

759
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna a memory like Maddie. And by the way,

760
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm amazed he's actually got a memory. Half the way

761
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: he's lived his life.

762
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 3: He should denote him, donate his body to science after

763
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: this him and even his notes like they're sort of like,

764
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: you know, it's a bullet point of something and only

765
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: it's almost like doctor's script, only he can he looks

766
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: down at yes, and it's written in like TEXTU or

767
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: whatever he could find at the time. I have to

768
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 3: have it all written out in front of me and

769
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: have myself covered enough so that if because I just

770
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: find it disrespectful, if if the conversation goes in a

771
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 3: direction that I can't keep up with that conversation, like

772
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,479
Speaker 3: I didn't play it to any sort of level.

773
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: I was lucky to have a bit of a run around.

774
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: But if I can't keep up with what the experts

775
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: a saying that I haven't done my job. So my

776
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 3: prep for a Super Saturday, for example, I'll start looking

777
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 3: through the week, listening to all the press conferences, picking

778
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 3: out little cherry picking bits that will be a talking points,

779
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 3: you know, whatever Wayne set or whatever I haven't clearly

780
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: set or whatever, and then we bring it all together,

781
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: pieces of overlay, any latest injuries, and then hopefully it's

782
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 3: just a fun, easy pre game leading into kickoff. And

783
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 3: then once the game is underway, we sit there. I

784
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 3: take time codes, notes of penalties or turning points or

785
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 3: tries or kicks.

786
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: Out on the full set, restarts, numbers, are tackles.

787
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: All that sort of stuff, and then then the halftime comes.

788
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: Out, and then halftime, and then you're able to sort.

789
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: Of do you choose who? I mean, do you actually

790
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: sitting there saying I'm going to ask Cooper Kronk this question?

791
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: I mean, sometimes if it's a specifically, so if I've

792
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: got James Graham and a Cooper Kronk, Cooper will get

793
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: all the harbs questions and Jimmy gets all the forwards questions, right,

794
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: so just to keep everyone because that's our other job, right,

795
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: If you're in the hosting position. My job is to

796
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: bring out the best in those people. So why would

797
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: I ask James Graham about nothing cleary?

798
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: That'd be interesting, We could and Jimmy have an answer.

799
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: Would But I think also just to make everyone feel

800
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 3: comfortable and to make sure that they're across what they.

801
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: Want to get, you know, into the into the broadcast.

802
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's and often if it's a tough one, I'll say, hey,

803
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 3: I'm just going to ask you about that.

804
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: Can you have something to say in the.

805
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: Way off air sort of thing? Yeah, I mean what

806
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: would you how do you describe then your role? I

807
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: mean your sports showne so get all that stuff, But

808
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: how would you describe your role on the show? Say,

809
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: pre show, halftime and post show. But just let's pick

810
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: pre show for example, pre game, I should say the

811
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: pregame show. How would you describe your role? Are you

812
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: coordinating the conversation or you probing the answers with the

813
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: questions or.

814
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 2: A bit of everything.

815
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: I think sometimes pre game you're just a bit of

816
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: a mediator, you know, So the pre game everyone's got

817
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: lots to say. And then usually so if it's after

818
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 3: a big game and it's been a dramatic game and

819
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: there's something controversial, then I've got to be the school teacher,

820
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: like you know, I sort of put a little bit

821
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 3: more pressure on the guys around me and say, well,

822
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 3: you know, because I remember a state of Oregon.

823
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: I can't remember what you And Joey was there, and.

824
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: He dipped out right because he was he had the

825
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: ships and he didn't want to say anything anymore, and

826
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: and he was just sort of And when Joey doesn't

827
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: want to.

828
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: Participate, it's really obvious.

829
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: It's super like he has the most obvious poker.

830
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 4: He gives yes, he closed eyes, he totally checks out right,

831
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 4: and I thought, and it was you know, and the

832
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 4: Queensland has won.

833
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: And while he was up and it was all good,

834
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: but the actual I knew the headlines the next day

835
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: would all be about New South Wales failing. And you know,

836
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 3: whatever happened, I said, Andrew, joe where are we at?

837
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: Like, what's happening? How did that get away on them?

838
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 2: And he's got his eyes closed.

839
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 3: Gus also closes and Joan learned forward and then it

840
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: just took something like that to bring him in and

841
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 3: then you know, and then he sort of went on

842
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 3: this big emotional rant about how it just wasn't where

843
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: it needed to be in New South Wales had failed

844
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 3: and they had failed the state, and they did all

845
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: this and blah blah blah, and you think all there,

846
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 3: I could have just let him coast along and check out,

847
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 3: which he obviously wanted to do, or or come in

848
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: have a conversation.

849
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: How do you deal with the over exuberance end like

850
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: the opposite? You know, like if, for example, well Billy

851
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: say it is not like this, and Kopkron scept like this.

852
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: They don't get over excited. They but like, who's would

853
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: you mean? I get so over excited? How do you do?

854
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't be at origin of because you wouldn't

855
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: have an there for an origin show. But I don't

856
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: think you probably say it's a bulldog's game or something

857
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: that someone who might be feeling quite excited about it.

858
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: How do you deal with those exuberance? I mean, how

859
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: do you manage these individuals because they're big personalities. They

860
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 1: they're all big personalities, but for different reasons. They're all confident,

861
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: they're all X grades in the game, So you've got

862
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: to sort of have that respect about what they know

863
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: about the game or what they know about how they

864
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: play the game. How do you manage that process? And

865
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: do you ever have to check yourself on? Hang on,

866
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: that's Andrew Johnson talking to and the modeling.

867
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you never forget who they are and what they

868
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: have to say. But I think from me from my perspective,

869
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 3: if I'm a fan first and foremost, so what do

870
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 3: I want to hear from an immortal?

871
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: What do I want to know?

872
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 3: You put yourself in my spot always because I'm trying

873
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 3: to bring something for you who's tuning in, So I

874
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: just ask it from a fan's perspective, and it doesn't

875
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: matter if it's a tough question.

876
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: But if he's talking shite, I mean, do you would

877
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: would you pull him up and say, well, that's not really.

878
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 3: Sometimes I try not to because also you don't want

879
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 3: to put them on show because that's a bit confident

880
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: and as accomplished as they are, sometimes their egos are

881
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: a little fragile, and so you don't want to.

882
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: But if I look at you, I agree with that

883
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: because I know some of these individuals. But if I

884
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: look at three sixty, it's the opposite. I mean, it's

885
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: a like I enjoy that too, but it's a rabble

886
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: like it's mental, you know, I mean.

887
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: It is a bullpit.

888
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 1: The fuck Yeah, I feel sorry if you Braik. Sometimes

889
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm look at him and I can see him the

890
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: scene break loves it. Yeah, but I can see breath

891
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: listening produces things saying let get these two off each other.

892
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: I can see sometimes the camera doesn't pan very well

893
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: and it gets catches Braith looking away from the conversation,

894
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: and it's clearly he's listening to the conversation that's in

895
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: his ear. I'm listening to his ear, and and I

896
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: can see that it's sort of not getting out of control,

897
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: but like he's got to try and dumb it down

898
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: a little bit, particularly between the two journalists.

899
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 3: Buzz buzz and and ready Yeah Brent Reid or Brent

900
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: Rude as we called him for a little bit.

901
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: They but particularly if it's on a paramatter issue. Yes,

902
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: and and your show is completely different. Is it meant

903
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: that is all of three sixty meant to be like

904
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: the old controversy corner.

905
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: It's meant to be that, I think so.

906
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: And your show is meant to be more not subdued,

907
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: but more let's call it intellectual.

908
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, yeah, slightly, you know what I'm saying, slightly,

909
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: And then Maddie can do everything, you know, like he

910
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: can have a serious footy conversation that he can you know.

911
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: Have all the meaning in the podcast, yeah, with the

912
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: thing with.

913
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 3: Cooper with Cooper, Yeah yeah, and then they can have like,

914
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 3: you know, doodle jokes and stuff like that, and.

915
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: That's all funn that's all part of the experience. But

916
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 2: you're right. I think it's three sixty and it has

917
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: changed so much.

918
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 3: When you think about when Ben Keen and Kenty were there,

919
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: you know, it was very different because I can is

920
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 3: He's got such a brilliant and very measured and very

921
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 3: measured and he's always the voice of reason and comes

922
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: in from a very different perspective.

923
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, He's excellent.

924
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 3: And then Kenty was the outrage merchant and even you know,

925
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: even days with Kenty would come in and go, I

926
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 3: don't feel like having a blue tonight and look at

927
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: the rundown and say, all right, what I've I got

928
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 3: to pick a fight about, you know, And so he

929
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: knew that conflict drove clicks and viewership and people want

930
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 3: to tune in to see him and buzz go head

931
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,959
Speaker 3: to head or whoever it is, or a coach or so, yeah,

932
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: it's a little bit more outrage.

933
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: So but there is role playing.

934
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 3: Well, of course you think that they get on there

935
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: and they've been in those meetings. I was very lucky

936
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 3: enough to jump in after Ben Eikon left and was

937
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 3: just the relief teacher towards the end of the year.

938
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 3: But and I know still they in the green room,

939
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: they say, right, so I'm going to say this, and

940
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 3: then you say that the best prepared produced shows always.

941
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: Look like it's natural. But they all know what they

942
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: what they're going to.

943
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: Say, and and and in terms of audience feedback, whether

944
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,959
Speaker 1: audience is like it, I mean, is there much data

945
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: being shared with you guys?

946
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: There are ratings.

947
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 3: I don't know how to find them, but there is

948
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 3: an email that comes out I think every.

949
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: Night after where's the feedback come from that? How do

950
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 1: you work out with your shows? Your shows is hitting

951
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: the right spots?

952
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 3: I think, well, first of all, ratings, and then you

953
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: know whether it gets picked up on KO if there's

954
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 3: more people clicking on KO to see so they'll say okay,

955
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: Well that was a big issue that caught fire, that

956
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 3: started trending, so let's do a little bit more of that,

957
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 3: or for like the face to face stuff, Wally Lewis

958
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 3: was our most watched I saw that one, yeah, and

959
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 3: I think that's just Wally, right. So Wally still has

960
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: that austereer that you still want to go, Oh it's

961
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: Wally Lewis, like how amazing. Everyone just sort of clicks

962
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 3: on because it's Wally.

963
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: But he also got a pretty important story to tell.

964
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 2: He's phenomenal, Like, yeah, he's not so.

965
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: Much about his origin legendary moments, but it is about that,

966
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: but it's also about what he's going through.

967
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. Yeah, and that's a big deal.

968
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 3: And I think for while he feels very comfortable now

969
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 3: talking about I was I'll never forget my first day

970
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 3: I was working at I started at the hand All

971
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 3: nine Sports department in Brisbane.

972
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: And so that was like for me, I was like,

973
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: oh my god, I've made it. I've made it.

974
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: Driving up to Mount Cooth, I was like, oh my god,

975
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: I'm in the chun Line Sports department.

976
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: This is the best thing ever.

977
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: And I walked in and here Ian Healy was there,

978
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: Wally Lewis at his desk. Next to mine a couple legends,

979
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: and our boss of the sport department was the wonderful

980
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 3: Andrew Slack. And here's me nobody from nowhere. Walks in

981
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: of day one going hello everybody, and I put.

982
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: My stuff down with Oh.

983
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 3: Wally said, O lovely to meet you. Lovely to have

984
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 3: a woman in our sports department. Now we've all had

985
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: a discussion. Things are going to be a little bit

986
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 3: different around here, so we want you to feel comfortable.

987
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: God knows what they were up to before I got there.

988
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: He said, now, would you like a cup of tea?

989
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 3: And I didn't know what to say, Oh, yes, please,

990
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 3: and then Wally trot's off at them. I don't know

991
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 3: what's happened, but the King's just gone off and made

992
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 3: me a cup of tea. I don't know what my

993
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: life has become, but this is clearly the best moment

994
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: in my profession ever.

995
00:44:58,800 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: So it's pretty phenomenal.

996
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: And you've had You've met some great people in ragby league,

997
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: and as I said earlier, you are a bit of

998
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: a rugby league student and historian to some extent. Apart

999
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: from Wally. Just tell me who's someone who you've met

1000
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: rugby league wise? Either an administration or player or ex player.

1001
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: Who's some of the people that just come spring to

1002
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: mind who were sort of a little bit fascinating to you.

1003
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: Oh, they're all fascinated.

1004
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 3: Like really, rugby league has such a vibrant, patriotish of personalities,

1005
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: if I can put that politely. Yeah, I mean I've

1006
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 3: been in such a privileged position. I think meeting Gus,

1007
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 3: being able to work with Gus and developing a relationships.

1008
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: Impression, I was terrified because he's quite. He's quiet. Yes,

1009
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: he's not garrulous.

1010
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 3: No, no, no, And it's almost that silence that makes

1011
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 3: you feel more uncomfortable because you're like, should I feel

1012
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 3: the silence or should I just let.

1013
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: It hang here?

1014
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 3: He seems happy to just sit here quietly, So I'm

1015
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 3: just going to let that. And I think it probably

1016
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 3: took Gussie and I really a little while to connect.

1017
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: And now I can call Gus for anything.

1018
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: Really, he's actually a good guy.

1019
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 3: He's actually such a good guy if you knew he again,

1020
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: he plays this role in this character that he's happy

1021
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: to be the bad guy and happy to you know,

1022
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 3: a couple the hits in the meeting.

1023
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: He's got this super intellect isn't.

1024
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: It just the most fascinating thing.

1025
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: Super intellect. The guy would have could have been a

1026
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: judge or someone of that if he should have been.

1027
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: In fact, he was doing a law degree one stage. Yes,

1028
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: he could have been something like that, or a prime

1029
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: minister or something like a leader.

1030
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: He could the grass is blue and the sky is green,

1031
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: and I'd be like fair.

1032
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: Enough players, He'll talk to them and they feel like

1033
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: they could jump fifteen foot.

1034
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 3: Yes, he's such a powerful person. He's very persuasive. Yeah,

1035
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 3: and but you know he's complicated, Yeah, Gussie So yeah,

1036
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: Gus was probably one that I'm very lucky to call

1037
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: a friend now, all of them, like you know, Joey

1038
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 3: Blockie Stirlow. I remember growing up my my little my

1039
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 3: first little footy crash when I was about seven or

1040
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: eight years old was Paul Hoff and I met him.

1041
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 3: He's a police officer someone. I was like, oh, hello,

1042
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: mister Hoff, how I becase.

1043
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: We're talking about we're talking about side about earlier on?

1044
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yeah, and you met Canals.

1045
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 2: What a gentleman of the game in every.

1046
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: Regard, like what what would you say today that rugby

1047
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: league personalities? And today we've got female personalities coming through too,

1048
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: And I don't mean so much administration, but I mean

1049
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: more as players, young women now coming through some great personalities.

1050
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: What would you say that they're.

1051
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: Given to you, the female ones or someone like.

1052
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: Personalities in general, whether they're Aco or whether they're jowey

1053
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: or whoever. But what do you what do you get

1054
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: out of it? What is Vonnie getting out of all this?

1055
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 2: Goodness?

1056
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 3: What a great question I think for someone like a

1057
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: ken Arthurs And you get a sense of gratitude that

1058
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: someone of that elk has devoted an entire life to

1059
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 3: the game and has seen every possible scenario play out

1060
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 3: good bad. You know, it felt like it was going

1061
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 3: to be the death of the game at that point

1062
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: where was at the forefront of it, and just.

1063
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: The super league period period he was a man guy

1064
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: and mainly was part of the non super league group.

1065
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: Yes, and it felt so divided, and you felt like

1066
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 3: this game that my family would get together and huddle

1067
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 3: around the TV and what where is that game going

1068
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 3: to be there?

1069
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: What will happen? What will happen to my favorite players?

1070
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: Where am I going to see any of this?

1071
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, it felt like a really risky time and

1072
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 3: you know, for Ken Arthurs and to give up his

1073
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 3: time to just sort of answer some of my questions

1074
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 3: and to be able to go back through some of

1075
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 3: his incredible journey. That's such a privilege, I think. Do

1076
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 3: you know what I always get? I feel gratitude whenever

1077
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 3: I meet anyone in the game, because they all have

1078
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: different stories, whether it's a young up and coming n

1079
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 3: ROLW player and she talks about her drive for the game,

1080
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: how she fell in love with the game, where she

1081
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 3: wants to take a game, why she the future of

1082
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 3: the game, and how they see footy changing, which is

1083
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 3: I think has always been a strength of rugby league.

1084
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 2: We're not resistant to change.

1085
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 3: We're pretty agile to it, which I think is why

1086
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 3: we've been able to adapt and stay very current.

1087
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: But we also as opposed to our competitor game a.

1088
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: Little bit, which I want rugby to thrive, but we

1089
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: don't need them to die.

1090
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: But haven't adapted you can't, yeah.

1091
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: So I think to be able to stay alive to

1092
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: the young generations coming through in those parameters.

1093
00:49:59,160 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 2: Is very important.

1094
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: Steve Hoyles, in a couple of weeks ago talking about

1095
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: exactly that extra regular the Union currently the coach Arounwick

1096
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: saying exactly what you just said, that their game's failing

1097
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: their fans and failing the game, whereas Roby League has

1098
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: managed to adapt.

1099
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: You have to and you can't just do that. I

1100
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 2: mean even it's a business then, like.

1101
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 3: You can't just because something worked for you twenty years

1102
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 3: ago doesn't mean it's going to work for you today.

1103
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: And how important then if someone leave Landas and Nabdo

1104
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: and making sure that this adjustment gets made and gets

1105
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: made in the right time. And of course the best

1106
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: example we started this whole conversation tookt Vegas. But you know,

1107
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: taking risks and being curious to try something out, try

1108
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: it and then put the risk with it.

1109
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: If it fails, at least we gave it a shot, right,

1110
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: And I think Rugby League's very forgiving for that. If

1111
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 3: we try something doesn't work, we're happy to again go

1112
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 3: all right, let's just flush that been it can it? Well,

1113
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 3: it didn't work, And I know people like to argue,

1114
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 3: and again I think that's why three sixty or you

1115
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 3: know those fan forums, everyone just gets on and they

1116
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 3: have a wing and they vent and they blow their

1117
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: stack about something and then we all sort of push on.

1118
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what's interesting what you guys did

1119
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: at Fox League that is trying new things out. They're

1120
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: all different forums and different sort of formats, I mean,

1121
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: and you what you do is you Backfiel the whole time.

1122
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: You say, hang on, the format's okay, but we need

1123
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: to do this. Change you change that. Eventually you get

1124
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: it right, but it takes a fair bit of courage

1125
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: because if you've stuff it up, you know, it's going

1126
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: to look like it's your Ford or Crawley's Ford, or

1127
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: it won't look like Crawley because no one knows who

1128
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: he is other than the people that are important know

1129
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: he is.

1130
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 2: Bit like supremo of creepy Crawley.

1131
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: They know. But that's my point though, You've being part

1132
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: of a pretty courageous effort by Fox to create another

1133
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: format which gives fans an alternative, an additional or a

1134
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: choice as to how we want to consume our rugby league. Yeah, yep,

1135
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: that's right, and that's a big deal.

1136
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 2: And like a lot of.

1137
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 3: People, like my mum has always just watched Channel nine

1138
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: on a Friday night and so she'll still probably watch.

1139
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: It not really knowing. Am I on Channel nine, am

1140
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: I own Fox. She doesn't really know the difference.

1141
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of it's not loyalty thing, No,

1142
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 3: I'm just watching the footage like you know that. And

1143
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 3: there's a lot of those fans, all sort of casual

1144
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 3: fans that will switch on and off and definitely watch Origin,

1145
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: definitely watch Grand Final, but you know, might sort of

1146
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 3: catch a game here or there. But then I think

1147
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 3: there's been such a rise of fans who have this

1148
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 3: insatial appetite for rugby league twenty four hours a day,

1149
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 3: and so that's what Fox League is for. But in

1150
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 3: terms of trying something new and not being afraid of

1151
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 3: it failing, Like, what was your gut reaction when someone said, yeah,

1152
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 3: we're actually like the Rooster's a going to Vegas, Like

1153
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 3: we're taking ground one round zero to Vegas.

1154
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: Did you think it was going to fail?

1155
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: No, I didn think it'd fail. Well, did I think

1156
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: it would get a whole lot of people betting on

1157
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: rugby league they wanted to get done. I didn't think

1158
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: they would be the case that I think I was

1159
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: going to get broadcast across America. I didn't think that.

1160
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: But I think it would be a good thing for

1161
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: the roosters and a good thing. Therefore for league generally,

1162
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: I thought that would be a great outcome. I know,

1163
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: our players love it, our fans love it, and our

1164
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: players were so excited to go, ridiculously excited to get

1165
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the never been in America for a start.

1166
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: Then we and then coach got excited, and then we

1167
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: started finding ways to put them. We put them in

1168
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: the u c l A u c l A and

1169
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: know they're walking a famous university campus. You know, we

1170
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,959
Speaker 1: put famous ex players, usually NFL players in front of them.

1171
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: We got them expose to the gym environments there. So

1172
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: just keep I just saw it would keep building on

1173
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: on itself. And you know, of course it's you know

1174
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: Nick who's really was behind a lot of this and

1175
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: what an innovator, Totally an innovator and one of the

1176
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: things that rugby League I think gives to everybody. And

1177
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: we're talking about it now just in terms of the broadcast.

1178
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean one better than now that it's about innovation.

1179
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: Rugby League's innovated, the administration, Rouby League has innovated. I mean,

1180
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: when you consider that we're being torn apart in the

1181
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: late nineties, ninety six through to ninety nine ninety eight,

1182
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: we've been torn apart by two opposing sides to opposing

1183
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: media icons who then did a deal. And if you

1184
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: look at where rugby league is today, it's just unbelievable

1185
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: and you've been part of it. And all these new indivasuals,

1186
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: new things that we're trying. It's just so cool. And

1187
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: the fans haven't gone off. The fans have actually got

1188
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: We've got more fans. And I am talking of fans.

1189
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 1: I don't want to embarrass you, but your biggest fan

1190
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: is one Chris o'key.

1191
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: He actually is home his biggest fan as well. It's

1192
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 2: funny when I.

1193
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: Actually hear you talking to you sometimes because he brings

1194
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: you sometimes.

1195
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: Have you got nothing else on your show?

1196
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm listening to it too. What's the times on between

1197
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: three and six or something? I think, what am I

1198
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: doing listening to? What are you doing?

1199
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 4: Well?

1200
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: If I'm leaving here the studio, I'm going back to

1201
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 1: the oppice, which is what I'll do today. And if

1202
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: he's on, I'm always on to Jubi. So I listened to.

1203
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: I listened what he's got to say. But he's one

1204
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: of your biggest hands.

1205
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: Can you suffer through all the dragons chat that.

1206
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: He killed him and John Stanley, you two forget it,

1207
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: but just let's just talk about this guy, right. Yes,

1208
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: you guys have an unbelievably great relationship. We're so lucky

1209
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: your mates have really close good mates.

1210
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we when I work that together, like we've

1211
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 3: just always been like we just were connected really from

1212
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 3: the moment we met.

1213
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: And we're both working up in Brisbane.

1214
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 3: He just started as the young crime reporter and I

1215
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 3: was working in Sport and I think we went out

1216
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 3: for a couple of work drinks or whatever. And then

1217
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 3: because I was in Brisbane, I didn't have a lot

1218
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 3: of friends around. He was in Brisbane, he didn't know

1219
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 3: anyone either. So one Monday nights, remember what we used

1220
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 3: to have Monday night footage yep. So I said, oh, well,

1221
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 3: you know, do you want to go watch the game?

1222
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 3: Because I don't think I could afford PATV, So we

1223
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 3: had to go watch the game at the Paddo and

1224
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 3: I think they did twelve dollars stakes. So that became

1225
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 3: like a bit of a Monday night thing for us,

1226
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 3: rather than us sitting at home in our little rentals,

1227
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 3: you know, not watching the game. And I didn't know

1228
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 3: it at the time, but that was sort of the

1229
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 3: beginning of our courtship and we've always just had the

1230
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 3: best time together.

1231
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 2: We just love each other's company.

1232
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 1: But the way talks about it is ridiculous.

1233
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: It's so beautiful.

1234
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 3: So that's been like gos That was, you know, twenty twelve,

1235
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen, So it's been a long time now and

1236
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: he's been there for all of it and he's been

1237
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 3: such a huge supporter of mine and he's never made

1238
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 3: me feel which is such a silly thing to say,

1239
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 3: but never made me feel bad for working all the weekends,

1240
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 3: which is not a usual way of going if you're

1241
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 3: in a relationship. People want to say, well, why can't

1242
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 3: you come to my birthday? Why hunch come to my

1243
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 3: mate's wedding? Work hunt Well, because you know, rugby league

1244
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 3: happens on the weekend, Like I'm just not around. I'm

1245
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 3: available on a Wednesday if you.

1246
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: Want to get into my diary, yeah exactly.

1247
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 3: So, yeah, it was probably hard to have relationships, and

1248
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 3: then Chris just got it and he never made me

1249
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,479
Speaker 3: feel apologetic about wanting to do well or saying yes

1250
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 3: to opportunities that would take me away and then we

1251
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 3: both ended up in Sydney at the same time. And yeah,

1252
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 3: we've just had the most amazing time and it's just

1253
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 3: flown like we talked to each other like can you

1254
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 3: imagine we like we met each other so long ago

1255
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 3: now like it just feels like we're just starting. It's

1256
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 3: And equally, I hope that he feels like I've supported.

1257
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: Him through everything he's done.

1258
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: And he's been on the Afternoon Drive for two years. Yeah, yep,

1259
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: he took over De Night, De Night.

1260
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: Jim Jim Will Jim Will say, that's.

1261
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: Right, Jim Jim, who is the brother of Rebecca Rebecca. Yeah,

1262
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: we earlier on the late Rebecca Wilson and I have

1263
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: to tell you, and I don't mind saying that. We

1264
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: don't get a big head kif is that David Ginjel

1265
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: read me one day about a year ago, I think,

1266
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: and he said, mate, you got to talk to this guy.

1267
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: I meet this guy because he will be I said who.

1268
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: He says, name's Chrissa Keif. He said he will be

1269
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: one of the leading journalists in this country in the future.

1270
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: That's come from Ginjel and Angel knows his stuff.

1271
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 3: Ginch has to be one of the most phenomenal people

1272
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 3: I've ever had a joy of working for, and to

1273
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 3: even just spend some time in his company. He is

1274
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 3: He and Laila have been so supportive, so loving, so

1275
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 3: generous to open. Even from the get go, they were

1276
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 3: amazing and Ginge is just one of a kind, Like

1277
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 3: if you could bottle some of Ginge and just that

1278
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 3: brilliance that he has.

1279
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: I don't communicators.

1280
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone knows how to communicate like Ginge.

1281
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: He is probably my life, probably the best communicator I've

1282
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: ever met in my wife ever.

1283
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 2: Anyway, how's his barometer on stuff?

1284
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: He just know, yeah, yeah, he's very contemplative though, and

1285
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: he doesn't really read a lot, but he hears a

1286
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: lot and speaks a lot, and he's a lot of conversations.

1287
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: But you know, it's a little bit off topic for

1288
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: us today. But get me, I agree with you when

1289
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: I speak to probably at least once a week, probably

1290
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: sometimes many more times a week, and him and Laila

1291
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: have an equally like you know, you and Chris have

1292
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: this unbelievably great relationship.

1293
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 2: Which is rare in the industry.

1294
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: And he has to be forgetting for her because you know,

1295
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: she might have to go down to Sydney to do

1296
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: the current affairs right now, it's not that tough. I

1297
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: love it. Are you listening?

1298
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 2: She was having a picnic.

1299
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 3: I think come out in the park, you know, probably

1300
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 3: in the shadow of the Eiffel Tower and Ginge.

1301
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: You're looking after kids, saying in the school, I don't.

1302
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 2: Believe that, just doing the hard yard, doing school run.

1303
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, school run, and probably putting plenty of time with

1304
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: Mick Fanning and his mates going surfing better.

1305
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 3: How is it all of that whole crew up around

1306
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 3: that byron Era area look like the peak of health. Yeah,

1307
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Speaker 3: the peak of happiness. They train hard, they're gym animals.

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Speaker 1: They train hard, they eat well, they rest really well.

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Speaker 1: They live like really normal lives. Take the kids of

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Speaker 1: school at eight one and raft is another one. There's

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Speaker 1: a big gang of them and they're just killing it.

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Speaker 1: But you're I just wanted to say to you that

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Speaker 1: as an observation, both to you and Chris, that it

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Speaker 1: just looks like one of those wonderful relationships that's pretty rare.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I want to say that then, and well done. It's

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Speaker 1: it's because he says it's actually rare. You can congratulate

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Speaker 1: people in relation to their relationship. It's just a real thing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate that. Yeah, we're so aware that what

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01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 3: we have is is pretty amazing. We're very protective of it.

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01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 3: We don't do you know, the big double page stellar ship. Yeah,

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01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 3: you know, we don't, just and I think because so

1324
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 3: much of our lives and so much of our you know,

1325
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 3: our voice and our image, and it's like every time

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01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 3: you go to work, you're on TV, you're broadcasting, you

1327
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 3: feel so out there. So when we go home, not

1328
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: that we're like weirdly private, but we just you know.

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Speaker 1: You enjoy the draw bridge up and you enjoy enjoy.

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Speaker 2: We just love each other's company.

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Speaker 1: That's absolutely critical.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't matter what we do.

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Speaker 1: Like it's so.

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01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 3: Like days before responsibilities and and marriage and a child,

1335
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 3: like we would just go to the pub and have

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01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 3: a few bets and then go for lunch and like

1337
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 3: just like nothing exciting, but would have the best time

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Speaker 3: it was.

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Speaker 1: Did you think you epitomize or represent like a very

1340
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Speaker 1: typical and I'm mean in the best possible way, typical

1341
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: Australian normal, happy or happy enough, gainfully employed and occupied,

1342
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: loves her job, loves her family, just loves who she

1343
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: is right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very grateful.

1345
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, That's a pretty wonderful place to be, very content,

1346
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 3: which I think is a blessing because if you're not content,

1347
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 3: it can.

1348
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Speaker 2: Lead you down a path.

1349
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,919
Speaker 3: And some decisions that you can find yourself in quite

1350
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 3: a lonely place. But I've always been very content with

1351
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 3: anything that comes my way.

1352
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 2: And I think.

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01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 3: For me too, my sense of identity has always been

1354
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 3: in a funny one and a long journey just because

1355
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 3: I was adopted when I was a child, and just

1356
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 3: to be grateful that you have a beautiful family, and

1357
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 3: you have all these wonderful things, you have all these

1358
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 3: wonderful opportunities. I had a great education, I had ponies

1359
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 3: growing up. I had everything that I know and you know,

1360
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 3: and above all that, I was always told.

1361
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Speaker 2: You can do anything you want.

1362
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 3: And my father and my grandfather probably and they would

1363
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 3: hate to hear this, probably, but they will fair. They

1364
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 3: wouldn't have identified that, but they were. They said, you

1365
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 3: can do whatever you want.

1366
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: A self version of a feminist. But I mean, I

1367
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: don't mean being self people, but it just empowered.

1368
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 3: Me to do whatever I wanted to do, Like don't

1369
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 3: don't let anyone tell you no, you know, don't don't

1370
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 3: let you know people put you in a you know,

1371
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 3: to the side. If you want to, you've got to

1372
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 3: go work for it. And I think that value is

1373
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 3: sort of served me, and that work ethics probably served

1374
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Speaker 3: me pretty well.

1375
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Speaker 1: And you have a boy or a girl, have a

1376
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: little boy, a little boy? What are you and Chris?

1377
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: Do you sit down and sort of muse about how

1378
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: you'd like your little boy to live his life?

1379
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: We do.

1381
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 2: Actually, isn't it funny? I think.

1382
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 3: I think all parents do that. And you go, what

1383
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 3: are we going to do to give this child the

1384
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 3: best possible shot? How do we build resilience, How do

1385
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 3: we build.

1386
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 2: A sense of empathy? How do we build a sense

1387
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 2: of responsibility? How do we empower this young person to become.

1388
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: All their potent, the best version of themselves?

1389
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 2: Best version?

1390
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't because I'm not from Sydney, so

1391
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 3: I find it really difficult with the whole school system

1392
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 3: and some of the values that go along with that.

1393
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 3: But all that aside, what I think the most important

1394
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 3: influence on your child is what's going on in the home.

1395
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 3: And so for us, yeah, be kind work hard, be grateful.

1396
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Speaker 1: One of the things I like of four kids, but

1397
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: one of the things I learned, maybe too late, but

1398
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: to learn in relation of raising my sons another three

1399
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: grandsons as well. But is nothing you tell them ever

1400
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: ends up being represented in the way they live their life.

1401
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: But everything they saw you do is somehow burnt into

1402
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: their memory and performs part and forms part of their

1403
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: own character. Everything they saw you do, so just a

1404
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: parting bit of information. Just make sure what you say

1405
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: is what you do.

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01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually really true, and.

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01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: That they see you do it often. And empathy, Like

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01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 1: if they see you empathetic, I think they'll be empathetic.

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01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, because it's you know, often think about some

1410
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: of the characteristics of my sons and I think it's

1411
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: probably because he saw me do this. And and by

1412
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: the way, I don't have ay regrets around but like

1413
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: we're all learning, you know, we're all learning about ourselves.

1414
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: And it's quite an interesting men world today. If I

1415
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: was if I had a young child, I've got grand kids,

1416
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: but I don't really want to interfere in how they

1417
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: grow up because I.

1418
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 2: Was going to say, you are you the one that

1419
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 2: spoils them?

1420
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: I spoil them, of course, but not in an overly way.

1421
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: But I also got to be careful when they and

1422
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: I don't try to be the parent when they come

1423
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: and stay with me. I got to I can't be

1424
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: the parent, or that's my instinct say like George is

1425
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: six a George, what are you doing? You can't do this,

1426
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: or you can't look at the iPad. You're going to

1427
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: better this time. And I usually get a pretty poor

1428
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: response from him when I say that, especially when he

1429
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: was young, when he's like four three or four, especially

1430
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: when he was very upset. I took the ied the iPad,

1431
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: addicts what they held, and they work to YouTube all

1432
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: of it. It's crazy here Eve knew the code to

1433
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 1: get in everything. And but So's it's quite interesting. As

1434
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: a grandparent. Sometimes I feel like I want to do

1435
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: for my grandsons what I didn't do for my sons,

1436
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: and but I got to be careful. I can't because

1437
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm not because they've got a mum as well. I

1438
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: might be able to tell my son a man, you

1439
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: need to it, but I can't tell their partner or

1440
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: wife that's how you should be bringing your son up.

1441
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: So's it's quite interesting. You've got this great opportunity, you

1442
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: and Chris right now having a young three year old.

1443
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 2: And I'm late to motherhood as well. You know, I'm

1444
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 2: in my early forties.

1445
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:47,439
Speaker 1: We have more kids.

1446
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 2: Oh, we'd love that. We might be lucky, but yeah,

1447
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 2: we'd love that.

1448
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: Maybe it's because and you worry about having an only child.

1449
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: Do you worry about your child being an only child?

1450
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 3: I'm an only child, but because I was adopted, right,

1451
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 3: So I grew up as an only child and you know,

1452
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 3: clearly loved it and was the main character of the household.

1453
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 3: So but yeah, I think I never really thought about

1454
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 3: a family. Is that funny. I never thought about I

1455
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 3: never thought about a husband. I never thought I were

1456
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 3: a partner. I never thought about until I met Chris.

1457
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 3: So I didn't think anyone would put up with me.

1458
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 3: B I didn't know if I could put up with

1459
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 3: anyone else. See, I just never thought anyone want to

1460
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 3: marry me and d I think because I was an

1461
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 3: only child, I've never been around kids, so I didn't

1462
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 3: really know, Like I wasn't really motherly, you know, like

1463
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 3: people going do you want to hold the baby?

1464
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I thank you, good for you.

1465
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 3: I don't know it little looks a lot. Yeah, so

1466
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 3: that's probably a regret of mine. I would have loved

1467
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 3: to have started my family but earlier, because now that

1468
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 3: I've had one, I'm like, oh my god, these things

1469
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 3: are amazing. I'll have ten of them. We've spoken about

1470
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 3: adoption maybe, which would be really nice to sort of

1471
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 3: bring that into a full circle.

1472
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: I might think that would be so cool. Yeah, yeah,

1473
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: do you give someone else a chance? Yeah, experiencing you

1474
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: and as parents, well, I don't know.

1475
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1476
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 3: We like to think we're doing good job, but who knows.

1477
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 3: And I would be empathetic obviously too. I'm a baby

1478
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 3: or a child coming in, you know, being adopted and

1479
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 3: some of the challenges that come with with that, and.

1480
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, it would be it would be pretty special.

1481
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,839
Speaker 1: Well, Yvonne Samson Vanni, thanks to this episode.

1482
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 2: Face to face, thank you, Thank you.

1483
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed you. Know, you're honesty and actually you're

1484
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: reasy it. It's so easy to talk to imagine those

1485
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: Monday nights with Chris in the early days, and I

1486
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: wonder if he was hanging out to meet you Monday

1487
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: night foot and have a pie and a bit or

1488
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,680
Speaker 1: whatever you guys are eating it and and I just

1489
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: wish you and him the very best. Thank you for

1490
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: your future, and thanks for giving us all the stuff

1491
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: you give us on Fox Sports, so I actually love

1492
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: watching you, so thanks very much.

1493
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 3: Oh, I really appreciate it. You're so generous and kind,

1494
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 3: and thank you for the invitation. I was a little

1495
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 3: bit nervous coming in here, but you are so brilliant. Yeah,

1496
01:08:58,600 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 3: it made me feel very comfortable.

1497
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: Don't think he didn't talk th