Speaker 1: I want the fairy tale. I want the prince charming.
Speaker 2: She how do I put this? Isn't a fan of
Speaker 2: my kissing style with.
Speaker 1: A boyfriend and girlfriend for about twelve hours.
Speaker 2: He's in a trash bin.
Speaker 1: He's non recyclable catching them mu.
Speaker 2: I love being love. I love love.
Speaker 3: On today's episode of Where's your Head Out, we are
Speaker 3: thrilled to welcome Mattie McCrae to the studio to chat
Speaker 3: all things content creation and podcasts and dating.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: You may have stumbled across one of hilarious videos on
Speaker 2: TikTok or Instagram, so be prepared to hear some of
Speaker 2: Maddie's funny dating stories and how she comes up with
Speaker 2: her entertaining content.
Speaker 3: She also has her very own podcast called Sometimes Funny,
Speaker 3: Always Awkward Stick Around.
Speaker 2: You won't want to miss this one.
Speaker 3: Where's Your Head At is a podcast that talks all
Speaker 3: things relationships, breakups, reality TV, trending shows, and everything in between.
Speaker 2: This is your new go to destination for laughs, gossip
Speaker 2: in some details, advice, and much more. Okay, Maddie, welcome
Speaker 2: to the studio. While we're in your studio, thank you
Speaker 2: for having us.
Speaker 4: Thanks for being here.
Speaker 1: Sydney is boiling today. I had like melting how.
Speaker 4: To stay in two years crazy?
Speaker 2: I literally repeat what I said before. It's because I've rocked.
Speaker 4: Us, three of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you should be saying it's because of us,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yes, because of just touchdown.
Speaker 4: Melbourne. You're up in Sydney.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we really are experiencing a hot day. I'm sweatings.
Speaker 3: I'm about to take my pants off. Take space. You
Speaker 3: have some of the funniest TikTok content I have ever seen.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not even exaggerating. It's hilarious. Man, I will
Speaker 3: binge watching for him.
Speaker 2: The best one was I think it's the one that's
Speaker 2: the best is a clitorius one glitterist. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, She's at a party and she's being ignored. She's
Speaker 4: put on a nicet dress. That one or the one
Speaker 4: with the flower flower because sometimes I play the glitterists
Speaker 4: and then other times I have the flower and that one.
Speaker 2: Oh, they're both hilarious. I mean.
Speaker 4: She's being ignored at the party and he's talking to
Speaker 4: her flap or I have. I've seen that, and that
Speaker 4: one was good.
Speaker 2: It's so like just true.
Speaker 3: That's Clitorist, The Glitterist Flower one has twenty two million views,
Speaker 3: which is crazy. But I think it has so many
Speaker 3: views because it's so relatable.
Speaker 1: Like Matt was like literally like, oh, I relate to that.
Speaker 4: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Where it is like men.
Speaker 3: They have this running joke because we talk about sex
Speaker 3: on our podcast.
Speaker 1: And he's like, what's full play? And I'm like, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like he is just like the
Speaker 1: epitome of what's wrong with man?
Speaker 4: Yes? But see, I yes, I agree. I actually want
Speaker 4: to change the title of for play though I would
Speaker 4: like it to be called during play. So I think
Speaker 4: it's like a wrong perception that it has to only
Speaker 4: happen before and at the main event is just penetrative sex.
Speaker 1: It's so true.
Speaker 4: It's all the game and sex shouldn't be so linear.
Speaker 4: It's just like kissing four play penetration wrong, And I
Speaker 4: feel like it's it's a long game.
Speaker 3: See that makes it a lot more exciting, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's kind of like mixing things.
Speaker 4: If are you guys friends fans? Yes? With the seven
Speaker 4: seven seven. When she's explaining the erogena zones very early on,
Speaker 4: explains she explains that there's seven oroginous zones and a
Speaker 4: female and she draws a diagram and then he's just like,
Speaker 4: you go one, and then you go two, and then
Speaker 4: one and two and she just keeps going that you
Speaker 4: bounce between them all. You don't just go hard. We'll
Speaker 4: never yeah, never, Yes, you take away from today.
Speaker 2: I just want to stress her. I'm clearly kidding. I
Speaker 2: am amazing, I'm amazing, ongoing, so good. Yeah, I just
Speaker 2: I love that joke. I've never had a bad review.
Speaker 1: No, no, what.
Speaker 3: You should actually because your like TikTok content is just
Speaker 3: like so engaging.
Speaker 1: I feel like you have the power to really help women,
Speaker 1: like you could do a self help TikTok.
Speaker 4: I should for men?
Speaker 1: I feel like this content.
Speaker 4: Direction should I should? I could try that. I just
Speaker 4: find that, like the algorithm, sometimes it just wants you
Speaker 4: to do the same stuff, which is why I just
Speaker 4: make fun of sex. I just say that it's embarrassing,
Speaker 4: but you know what, I think that's a new place
Speaker 4: to go self help for men?
Speaker 2: Are you practice on your first student?
Speaker 4: Flower?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: You don't smash it?
Speaker 2: That made me laugh because you see that in porn noise,
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of guys think you that
Speaker 2: that's actually what women yeah, because and it's like guys,
Speaker 2: I think guys think that's what we' Yeah.
Speaker 4: But that's also because the ladies in porn are also
Speaker 4: screaming as if it's the best sex they've ever had,
Speaker 4: but they're lying, yeah, they definitely there.
Speaker 2: Could be nothing and enjoyed. I don't. I don't have one,
Speaker 2: but I could not imagine getting slapped on it an
Speaker 2: amazing feeling.
Speaker 4: Something about the pitch of the screaming. It just gets
Speaker 4: higher and higher, and when it gets that high, you're
Speaker 4: like that she's faking that. Yeah, She's like when it's
Speaker 4: that only dogs can hear it. She doesn't like that.
Speaker 2: So you're telling me they're faking that, because telling me
Speaker 2: porn is not real, you're going to tell me it's
Speaker 2: not real.
Speaker 4: Who's going to tell him that sketch actually the one
Speaker 4: that you're talking about. So if there's a flower on
Speaker 4: the ground and I just have a guy kind of
Speaker 4: smashing it around and moving it around. I got that
Speaker 4: idea from a date, not because it happened to me,
Speaker 4: but he told me in the date about it. He
Speaker 4: was the one that gave me the idea and then
Speaker 4: he tried to convince me that he wasn't like that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, and then or did he do it?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I've titled that. I'm titled that sketch whack
Speaker 4: a Mole because it's like he's playing with the clitterists,
Speaker 4: like it's whack a Mole's are you're just whapping? Just
Speaker 4: just smash it.
Speaker 3: So do you get a lot of insfo from like
Speaker 3: people that you're dating?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, a lot of the time.
Speaker 2: And just I was gonna ask, how do you get
Speaker 2: the other content as well? How do you think of
Speaker 2: like the one with the stomach and how the drinks
Speaker 2: are coming in? Like how do you think it's.
Speaker 3: So obvious everyone who's listening because we're just not describing these.
Speaker 1: Tiktoks, like you're going to have to go bing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Let me.
Speaker 4: I personify things a lot. My type of common sketches
Speaker 4: is personification. So I will pretend to be in out
Speaker 4: of it objects. Yeah, often the glitters, and then my
Speaker 4: most popular ones is the ones in the stomach, So
Speaker 4: I pretend to be like like a lady with the clipboard,
Speaker 4: she's the stomach and she's like welcome, and then all
Speaker 4: the alcohol comes in and it's a big hot mess
Speaker 4: and party, which that one I actually was inspired by
Speaker 4: a stand up comedian's routine that was like four forty
Speaker 4: years ago. He has a stand up routine called party
Speaker 4: in the Stomach Jim Brewer. And I was laying in
Speaker 4: bed at night and I just had this like memory
Speaker 4: of going out when I was eighteen and eating nothing
Speaker 4: all day but lighting the stomach with a slice of
Speaker 4: bread because you get drunk faster on little money, but
Speaker 4: you like try to prevent to hangover, but it never works.
Speaker 4: And that was my first stomach skit and that was
Speaker 4: like the first time that one has had like twenty
Speaker 4: one million views. That was my most viral video and
Speaker 4: so I've kept that going as like a series. I
Speaker 4: keep doing so good. Yeah they're fun.
Speaker 1: So how did you get into TikTok? Like where did
Speaker 1: it all start?
Speaker 4: So? I'm an actor, I'm a trained actor, and I
Speaker 4: think that if you ever ask a content creator when
Speaker 4: they started, they always say COVID, and like it is,
Speaker 4: it's COVID lockdown. In twenty twenty one, I wasn't working
Speaker 4: in my retail job and I wasn't getting any acting
Speaker 4: work because all productions had closed. Down, I was really bored. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I just made like little skits. Well actually no, I
Speaker 4: just did like lip sync videos, which is what you
Speaker 4: still see on reels and TikTok. And then I did
Speaker 4: one skit that went viral in September of twenty twenty one,
Speaker 4: which is actually when you when you go to your parents'
Speaker 4: house and they use that classic joke of good afternoon,
Speaker 4: and they think it's the funniest joke in the world.
Speaker 4: When you wake up with like age, they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: good afternoon, thanks dad. Yeah, yeah, it's funny, funny, it's
Speaker 4: afternoon because I slept in a little bit, so that
Speaker 4: one went crazy and that was like the first time
Speaker 4: I did a skit. Yeah, I just went from there
Speaker 4: and then it's just like blown up in the last year.
Speaker 1: They're just so relatable now that you've said it, because
Speaker 1: I actually didn't know you're an actress. Now it makes yeah.
Speaker 3: Because I have a friend who's also an actor, and
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, you guys have like a
Speaker 3: similar style.
Speaker 4: And mannerisms and yeah, yeah, it's yeah, so that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I have the skills of acting, but I also I
Speaker 4: did a degree in film editing, so I didn't kind
Speaker 4: of stumble upon it. I did have the skills there.
Speaker 4: I just had to like kind of adapt it for
Speaker 4: social media and it just kind of worked. It was magic.
Speaker 3: Well, now you have your own podcast and you have
Speaker 3: to edit videos. This is all tied perfectly.
Speaker 4: It does happen. I did that first degree when I
Speaker 4: was like eighteen, and I was like, I'm never going
Speaker 4: to use this degree ever, and then here I am
Speaker 4: using it. It's great.
Speaker 3: This is why you do degrees where you actually have
Speaker 3: an interest in things, because somehow that's going to come
Speaker 3: around and it's like that, Yeah, I reck so good.
Speaker 2: Do you feel the pressure of constantly trying to think
Speaker 2: of new content?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: At the moment, I'm in this kind of weird rut
Speaker 4: where I'm like focusing on the numbers too much, and
Speaker 4: it's bad because I don't want to. I just want
Speaker 4: to put out good content that I find funny. If
Speaker 4: I find it funny, somebody else is going to find
Speaker 4: it funny.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But I think that, like I call it the content treadmill,
Speaker 4: where you're just like, oh, the algorithm's going to punish
Speaker 4: me if I don't post on a certain day, and
Speaker 4: I just have to remember that my audience is that
Speaker 4: is there, that they're loyal and they're there for me,
Speaker 4: and I don't have to I don't have to hit
Speaker 4: twenty two million views every time. No, I just have
Speaker 4: to be happy with you back.
Speaker 2: I have a theory that when I post a.
Speaker 4: Video, it's going to go viral.
Speaker 2: I have a theory that, like my phone is jinxed,
Speaker 2: so we get the video sentiment. It's your video has
Speaker 2: just go so much for viral than mine, like mine.
Speaker 2: I just I reckon I reckon my ip.
Speaker 1: It's just in my editing.
Speaker 2: On my phone. It's jinx or something.
Speaker 3: I can't take any sort of like constructive criticism, even
Speaker 3: from like the algorithm.
Speaker 2: I just think that's not me. It's this is great content.
Speaker 2: It's probably pretty average. I'm just happy with it myself,
Speaker 2: to be fair.
Speaker 4: I'm so funny.
Speaker 3: It's like, what's your like key tips to someone who
Speaker 3: wants to succeed on TikTok, someone like Matt who the
Speaker 3: algorithm is a guest.
Speaker 2: It's definitely my phone, not even my account.
Speaker 1: How can I be that algorithm.
Speaker 4: I think that you have to change your mentality, that
Speaker 4: it's not a game to beat. You just have to
Speaker 4: be consistent, and you have to replace the word algorithm
Speaker 4: with audience. Okay, so you're making it an algorithm. You're
Speaker 4: making it for your audience. And the ones that are
Speaker 4: there that are showing up for you there, they're the
Speaker 4: ones you make the content for and the rest will come.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love those people that are there. You're all
Speaker 2: five of you. I love you. You're coming with exactly Yeah,
Speaker 2: ones better than.
Speaker 4: None of the watching if you're not oln house.
Speaker 3: TikTok is a very look. Sometimes I find TikTok to
Speaker 3: be a very negative place.
Speaker 1: Have you found that? Obviously? You you post very like
Speaker 1: funny and.
Speaker 3: Like uplifting and comedic content. Have you ever received like hates?
Speaker 4: It happens all the time. Really, comedy is always at
Speaker 4: the expense of someone, and someone's going to get offended
Speaker 4: and they always do. Like I make fun of men,
Speaker 4: and some guys have like a real good sense of
Speaker 4: humor about it, and they're like, yeah, this's just funny.
Speaker 4: But then I have other guys that are just like
Speaker 4: not all men. I'm not saying that all men ship
Speaker 4: at finding the glitterist, but some are.
Speaker 2: Because I mean, I was about to say, you find
Speaker 2: one that a big portion of men that I know.
Speaker 2: I probably don't even know what the word glitter.
Speaker 4: Just think a woman has like one hole when she
Speaker 4: has three like you.
Speaker 2: They definitely I go to, Yeah, I definitely know that's.
Speaker 1: Like stopped verbally talking.
Speaker 2: He's just like I don't want to put my foot
Speaker 2: in my mouth. Ru.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this editing we're unedited with on the space, we'll
Speaker 4: cut it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely get hate, but it's mostly from conservative men.
Speaker 4: I think also, like I'm in a country. We're in
Speaker 4: a country where it's like very normal for a woman
Speaker 4: to be dating, whereas in maybe other places it's not
Speaker 4: so common. So if that video, the thing about TikTok
Speaker 4: and Instagram is like that video can kind of go
Speaker 4: anywhere in the world, and if it kind of finds
Speaker 4: people that are not so used to a woman going
Speaker 4: on dates before marriage or having sex before marriage, then
Speaker 4: they can. And I think it's less of a me thing,
Speaker 4: it's more of a like they're just not used to
Speaker 4: it culture.
Speaker 3: Wow, So you get like your videos get shown to
Speaker 3: people who are super super conservative.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's kind of stopped because like I think what
Speaker 4: happens is like when you're posting your the algorithm does
Speaker 4: figure out who your audience is and we'll kind of
Speaker 4: send it to them. So like, obviously I get sent
Speaker 4: to Australia a lot in America UK. But when I
Speaker 4: started posting on the podcast Instagram, it was fresh, and
Speaker 4: I forgot that my audience wasn't there, and so then
Speaker 4: the algorithm's like where do we put this? And it
Speaker 4: kind of showed it to everyone, and then I was like,
Speaker 4: h oh, wrong audience, Oh yeah, let's ease come in.
Speaker 4: And then the algorithm finds the people.
Speaker 2: What's some of the worst hate you've had?
Speaker 4: If you or if you might I've been called like
Speaker 4: can I swear?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course of course you can.
Speaker 4: Yes, I've been called a slot and a whore and
Speaker 4: like go back to the streets all that jazz, or
Speaker 4: like she'll never find a man, she'll be forty and
Speaker 4: old and wrinkley and blah blah blah. It is like that.
Speaker 3: Like I feel like TikTok has so many keyboard warriors
Speaker 3: and it actually scares me scary.
Speaker 2: I just can't believe you got out of your way
Speaker 2: to comment it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wrap my head around it either, But
Speaker 3: I mean I feel like the thing with TikTok is,
Speaker 3: like people want to say outrageous things in the hopes
Speaker 3: that their comment will go viral. Yes, and so they're
Speaker 3: like actually like trying to say maybe things that are
Speaker 3: even more left a field than even they believe, like troll.
Speaker 4: Baiting or yeah something. I find people do that too.
Speaker 4: That I know that they're just trying to get me
Speaker 4: to respond because I have replied once and then they're like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, she replied. It's like, oh, okay, so
Speaker 4: you don't hate me, You're just wanting me to reply
Speaker 4: to you. And it worked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he won, Yes that around.
Speaker 3: Okay, do you ever like feel like deleting any videos
Speaker 3: or have you deleted any videos? I have?
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, it's been a long time since I did,
Speaker 4: but very early on. I'm more conscious now of like
Speaker 4: who I can offend and like doing the wrong thing
Speaker 4: because my audience is so large. When I first started,
Speaker 4: I was like, were funny, funny, funny? Throw throw through?
Speaker 4: It just threw them out, and so like in the beginning,
Speaker 4: that's when I got some feedback that I was like, oh, oh, okay, no,
Speaker 4: I didn't mean it that way. The joke got misconstrued
Speaker 4: and I've taken it down, but it's been a really
Speaker 4: long time since I've taken them down.
Speaker 3: What was the content where you don't remember.
Speaker 4: Yes, the most recent one, which was probably like almost
Speaker 4: a year ago that I deleted. I was pretending to
Speaker 4: be a woman on a date, and it was like
Speaker 4: if she was honest, if she could be honest, and
Speaker 4: I was making jokes about like not paying on the
Speaker 4: date or like kind of like you know, faking her
Speaker 4: wallet being it was. I think I just I offended
Speaker 4: some people and I was like, oh, okay, and.
Speaker 1: You offended like male, I was no females as well?
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, Yeah, I think And I was just like
Speaker 4: trying to do it in a sarcastic way to lull
Speaker 4: this is funny. But I think people thought that I
Speaker 4: was being serious.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was like, no, I'm actually being sarcastic. Yeah, And
Speaker 4: I took it down. I'm less sensitive about it now.
Speaker 4: I probably would have left it up, but I just
Speaker 4: was like, no, I don't. I can't handle the hate
Speaker 4: right now because I get like the comments are so
Speaker 4: positive and then like the moment I get a bit
Speaker 4: of hate, I'm like, ah, everyone hates me. You gonna
Speaker 4: get canceled.
Speaker 2: Have you ever turned comments off?
Speaker 4: But I have deleted comments before we turned it? What happened?
Speaker 3: I mean we've had We had Harry Jowsy on our
Speaker 3: podcast and he basically said that he hooked out with
Speaker 3: a trans woman and like people, I don't know where
Speaker 3: in America it was like out like America.
Speaker 1: Yea, the level of like transfer comments on a.
Speaker 3: Different level, Like I didn't even know people like that
Speaker 3: even still existed.
Speaker 1: I think actually it was pretty eye opening. I was
Speaker 1: like wow.
Speaker 3: And we spoke to him and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: like if you guys can just maybe like what is
Speaker 3: it when you can put a.
Speaker 1: Restrict restrict words?
Speaker 2: And because we like to interview people that people obviously
Speaker 2: don't always like from like reality TV in that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're working to like reality TV.
Speaker 2: Getting like the villains on. We like to hear their side.
Speaker 3: That's interesting, right, But like people are so like one
Speaker 3: way minded that it's almost like, well, you're a bad
Speaker 3: person for giving someone a platform.
Speaker 1: Well, there's always two sides to a story.
Speaker 3: You're more than happy to see, like the way someone's
Speaker 3: been edited by someone else.
Speaker 1: Why not hear from them and then make your own decision.
Speaker 3: I mean, the thing that we love most about having
Speaker 3: a podcast is just like hearing different sides and then
Speaker 3: making our own personal decision.
Speaker 1: And that's something that I.
Speaker 3: Sometimes confused as to why everyone doesn't want to make
Speaker 3: their own decision, like they just want to go with
Speaker 3: the crowd.
Speaker 2: That's not We want to hear from them, and we
Speaker 2: find it more interesting than just getting on Like the
Speaker 2: most loved person from a show and you're.
Speaker 4: Not like.
Speaker 2: That doesn't the one that doesn't do any other podcast
Speaker 2: because anyone wants, And we're like, yeah, we'll have still.
Speaker 4: Like they're the ones that made the show interesting in
Speaker 4: the beginning. There has to be a villain and they're
Speaker 4: not controlled watching.
Speaker 2: W w A and I always loved the bad guy,
Speaker 2: always loved to do it. Yeah, I I love being
Speaker 2: the heel. I love the heels.
Speaker 3: About that he should maybe you can help now with
Speaker 3: his TikTok algorithm and help him undam unshadowed.
Speaker 2: Did the TikTok golds are just against me?
Speaker 4: I'm going to check it out.
Speaker 1: Like one video and it goes back.
Speaker 2: I think she just feels I'm so sporadically what I
Speaker 2: post because any stick okay movie reviews I.
Speaker 3: Do one and then because he did one and it
Speaker 3: wasn't the there I'm just gonna put that out there.
Speaker 4: You have to commit. You have to commit stick to
Speaker 4: one and just keep going even if one fails.
Speaker 1: How long did it take you to really like take
Speaker 1: off on TikTok?
Speaker 4: I started in July twenty twenty one and I took
Speaker 4: off in feb So six months of consistent posting that
Speaker 4: it's hard work and people think that like it's hot
Speaker 4: and that's like every day maybe twice a day, Like
Speaker 4: it's just it's consistent. But I was just doing it
Speaker 4: for fun, like it wasn't a full time job. Then
Speaker 4: now it is now that it's a full time job.
Speaker 4: Yet now I feel the stress because I'm like, this
Speaker 4: is my livelihood. Yeah, if I don't do well, if
Speaker 4: the brands don't want to work with me, then I'm done.
Speaker 4: You want to go back to retail.
Speaker 3: But also you have the podcast now, like you've become
Speaker 3: like your own basically brand brand personality.
Speaker 4: So it's been Yeah, we've I'm growing, putting fingers in
Speaker 4: more pies just in case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's the biggest celebrity or famous person that's commented.
Speaker 4: On I haven't had them comment, but Raven Simone it
Speaker 4: follows me and so we're like mutuals on TikTok. Raven
Speaker 4: Simone was from that, so Raven I love so she
Speaker 4: follows Yeah it's.
Speaker 3: Disney not Disney.
Speaker 4: She follows me, so we follow each other. So we're
Speaker 4: like technically friends on so I could message her, but
Speaker 4: I haven't.
Speaker 1: Get her on the podcast. It would be cool.
Speaker 4: She's cool.
Speaker 1: She is really cool.
Speaker 2: You should just try to shoot pie Mary. Just throw them.
Speaker 2: See you can get on the body big throw some hail.
Speaker 4: Mary, And how do they learn?
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean we sometimes get her. I've got to.
Speaker 2: You've done better than I got to. Haven't I got
Speaker 2: one the other day. It's I mean I think that
Speaker 2: if when we're shooting these hail for a girl, it's
Speaker 2: easier for a girl than me, and mine's a bit more.
Speaker 4: And just mad specifically, I think I get it better.
Speaker 2: But I think though that like I'm a bit forward coming.
Speaker 2: I say, let's tea up the time, Like I don't
Speaker 2: even give them an option on my but that's good
Speaker 2: at the time. Yeah, something a bit more straight to it.
Speaker 4: I think that's a good energy to have those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I'm not asking you.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying it happening.
Speaker 2: And if they don't reply to me, you know what
Speaker 2: if chrim Chris Hemsworth doesn't want to reply to me,
Speaker 2: so be it.
Speaker 4: Have you tried Chris Hams?
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, like this girl.
Speaker 3: I remember once I had this like follower and they
Speaker 3: would like reach out to.
Speaker 1: Me every single day consistently.
Speaker 3: And like they'd be like, at four pm, I'm sending
Speaker 3: you like a live like video link to like zoom
Speaker 3: in with me, and she'd be like, are we waiting
Speaker 3: on it for like the next thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: If you do, and she just like would keep doing.
Speaker 3: It, and I was like, I don't want to like
Speaker 3: log on because like imagine if they're like winking off weird.
Speaker 3: But I was like, like, literally every day for like months,
Speaker 3: she was sending me a live like zoom link and
Speaker 3: I was like, what the.
Speaker 2: Hell are you upset when it stopped?
Speaker 4: No, Yeah, I have this guy who replies to every
Speaker 4: story mummy with like a little love heart And I
Speaker 4: hated it to begin with, but now I'm like, where's
Speaker 4: my mummy? Mummy?
Speaker 2: Like we had we've had storkers before. Relation over was.
Speaker 2: I definitely did my research. She was in England. She
Speaker 2: would send me photos but like not like I couldn't see.
Speaker 2: But when she sent actual photos that I could click on,
Speaker 2: she's definitely in English. I was like, I'm safe here,
Speaker 2: should say she's coming to Australia heat. So I I
Speaker 2: was ignoring them the request, but she stopped and I
Speaker 2: was like the validation.
Speaker 1: Guy I got broken up with. Remember I had it.
Speaker 3: I had like a stalk guy who I actually was like,
Speaker 3: is this my ex?
Speaker 1: Like, I'm just like, you know, you're putting in too much.
Speaker 3: I posted it my with my now fiance that we
Speaker 3: were like it was like our hard launch, and he
Speaker 3: like literally sent me a break cut message.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I think this is actually really common for ladies on
Speaker 4: social media, is that as soon as they tell them
Speaker 4: that they're like off the market, they're like, well I
Speaker 4: don't have a chance with you anymore, and they unfollow.
Speaker 4: No doubt, if I was to get into a relationship,
Speaker 4: I think that would happen.
Speaker 2: Wow, what did we literally say on the way here
Speaker 2: that we dropped a bunch of relationships?
Speaker 3: Well, look, speaking of relationships, we are going to talk
Speaker 3: all things at relationships.
Speaker 2: Neg Okay, so what is your relationship status at the moment.
Speaker 4: Severely single, severely Like, I'm just I've given up as
Speaker 4: of now. No, I'll come back. I'm just getting break.
Speaker 4: I'm just tired. I'm just I'm tired. I'm tired of
Speaker 4: the apps. Yeah, I just am not a fan of
Speaker 4: them anymore. And I live alone at home and I
Speaker 4: work from home, so it's just it's going hard to
Speaker 4: meet people in person. So I'm just like, you know
Speaker 4: what the universe is telling me that you did.
Speaker 2: Say that before. Your phone's pretty dry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't have to put it on. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: do not have that problem. My friends said, mummy, Like,
Speaker 4: there's my mummy message.
Speaker 3: I was living alone, though, just on a side, not
Speaker 3: because I lived.
Speaker 1: Alone before I met Michael, and it was the best
Speaker 1: thing I ever did.
Speaker 4: It is great. I do love it.
Speaker 2: I could do it.
Speaker 4: You don't know why not?
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I love my alone time.
Speaker 3: But I think that like he thinks he's too needy,
Speaker 3: but I think that it would do you the world.
Speaker 2: I have thought that as well.
Speaker 4: I've been living alone since August. I was living with
Speaker 4: my sister prior to that. For most of COVID and
Speaker 4: then yeah, I just moved into an apartment by myself,
Speaker 4: took the plunge.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: I did well. Yeah, I needed it. I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm too old to be in sharehouses now I can't
Speaker 4: because living with her it was different because she was
Speaker 4: my sister, so it wasn't really a sharehouse. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I can't do housemates. I can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's totally tru I'm cat.
Speaker 4: Sitting at the moment I said, I was about to
Speaker 4: see you as a cat. I am a catw I'm
Speaker 4: not a cat lady, crazy cat ticking out my puppy
Speaker 4: on Friday stood, Oh.
Speaker 1: My god, I want a cad And that's a sausage.
Speaker 4: I do love a dashing as well. They're very I
Speaker 4: was tossing up between the two breaths and I went for.
Speaker 5: Me.
Speaker 2: I am the biggest lover of sausage dogs.
Speaker 4: They're very cute. I think the only reason I didn't
Speaker 4: is because they have health concerns.
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit. I think it's a fallacy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's just for everyone. You hear the way, Yeah,
Speaker 2: those stories more than you like.
Speaker 4: People you know actually have experiences. Because one of my
Speaker 4: good friends Adele, she's a content creator in Melbourne. She yes,
Speaker 4: she has a sausage dog. And I have my my
Speaker 4: dog and I think I'm calling him Ben on Friday,
Speaker 4: I'm picking him up. So living alone has been great,
Speaker 4: but I'm like, I need a friend and I'm getting
Speaker 4: a dog.
Speaker 2: Dale comes up in my for you page algorithms with
Speaker 2: the dashounds.
Speaker 4: Yes, it keeps coming up, so just be up. My
Speaker 4: I'll come up in your for you page because it'll
Speaker 4: be dog content from now on. Well, okay, but you've restricted,
Speaker 4: You've restricted the word comoodle cannot come up.
Speaker 1: Any other jugs are out.
Speaker 2: That's excited.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, let's talk about your biggest red flags because
Speaker 3: obviously he.
Speaker 1: Said you're severely single.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm assuming there's a few red flags that
Speaker 3: maybe you've.
Speaker 1: Seen recently the dating world.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't. I mean I think this is general.
Speaker 4: I don't like people who lie on their profile. And
Speaker 4: this happens a lot with people showing up not being
Speaker 4: who they say they are.
Speaker 1: The catfish situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just about appearance. And it's like not that I'm shallow,
Speaker 4: it's just like just upload your photos and give me
Speaker 4: the correct hide and like let's yes, let's not. Let's
Speaker 4: just be truthful.
Speaker 2: Does that happen a lot?
Speaker 1: So you think so? Like what are so height wise? Yes?
Speaker 1: Anything else? Like are they filtering?
Speaker 2: Or I wouldn't think men do that.
Speaker 4: Like, oh yeah, I mean you're a tall guy, so
Speaker 4: you've never I've never had to and like as a
Speaker 4: tall girl, I actually don't care if someone's shorter than me.
Speaker 4: But I care that they care because then they make
Speaker 4: a big deal about it.
Speaker 2: Really because I've.
Speaker 4: Dated guys shorter than me, Like I don't care, but
Speaker 4: then they I don't know, they come with a chip
Speaker 4: on their shoulder about it. That's not massive though. I
Speaker 4: think that's just pretty standard. But I don't even know,
Speaker 4: Like I don't I just get a vibe off people vibe.
Speaker 4: But Okay, this is the biggest thing that I'm finding
Speaker 4: the age that I'm at, which is twenty nine, twenty nine,
Speaker 4: I cannot believe the amount of people my age that
Speaker 4: don't want to have a serious relationship everyone I meet.
Speaker 4: I think it's because they're coming out of long term relationships,
Speaker 4: like they've met their early twenties and then they've like
Speaker 4: broken up to like I just want to have fun. Yeah, like,
Speaker 4: I've been single for two years now, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 4: ready to have I mean someone, How is your last
Speaker 4: relationship really badly?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 2: Sorry, do you want to talk about it?
Speaker 4: I actually haven't spoken about it much, only because she's
Speaker 4: also sorry I dated a girl. She also is in
Speaker 4: the performing world, and so I kind of don't want
Speaker 4: to talk too much about it. We both have our
Speaker 4: sides of the story to tell. It was not our
Speaker 4: good ending, and like it ended up like we're not
Speaker 4: talking blocking kind of energy. It was really not fun,
Speaker 4: and then we like kind of were in a breakup
Speaker 4: over like a year, Like it took a year to
Speaker 4: end in the year of twenty twenty. So throughout all the.
Speaker 2: Lockdown, I was about to say that it was really
Speaker 2: really hard.
Speaker 4: For both of us, and then it just was like
Speaker 4: really messy, and so that fucked me up for a while,
Speaker 4: and I've like been in therapy for ages for it.
Speaker 4: And then now I'm like, okay, all right, I'm good.
Speaker 4: And now I'm like, okay, Universe, I'm ready, and the
Speaker 4: universe is like no.
Speaker 3: No, it's a moment that you're like, okay, I'm not
Speaker 3: ready anymore, Like he so, would you.
Speaker 4: Take another girl then or I would Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 4: date both. I think that right now I'm probably leaning
Speaker 4: towards men only because I have like a little bit
Speaker 4: of PTSD, but I know that like her and my
Speaker 4: experience with her isn't all women. But I was just
Speaker 4: like just maybe there was just an energy there that
Speaker 4: I was just like, I just have PTSD, Like I've
Speaker 4: gone on a date before with a woman, Like the
Speaker 4: second date I was on, I was like having a
Speaker 4: panic attack. And I don't know why. I don't know
Speaker 4: if it's a agenda thing and I'm still dating both,
Speaker 4: but I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Wow, it definitely opens the pool up
Speaker 2: a lot more. It really grim about you're going to
Speaker 2: find someone.
Speaker 4: I know, I liked it. I am complaining well with.
Speaker 2: Me, but it's fine.
Speaker 3: But good on you for going to therapy. Like I
Speaker 3: can actually speak for both of us. We both had
Speaker 3: really bad breakups before our now partners, and I was
Speaker 3: in therapy with a bias therapy. Oh what yeah, it
Speaker 3: was my excess therapy. No, I've actually never spoken about
Speaker 3: that on the podcast. It's actually a huge conflict of
Speaker 3: interest and should never have happened.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I mean, yeah, that's probably not the right place.
Speaker 2: You should probably go to a mutual shouldably go like Switzerland.
Speaker 4: Yeah, someone's subjective.
Speaker 2: It has no idea who either.
Speaker 3: Therapy.
Speaker 4: Maybe I think I've.
Speaker 1: Had a realization in front of us.
Speaker 4: Isn't this therapy session right now?
Speaker 2: I actually went on another podcast and they were like,
Speaker 2: don't don't have a podcast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's what this is because most of
Speaker 4: my podcasts is just making fun of my dating life. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well that's why we started this podcast because we were like,
Speaker 3: this is our relationship story.
Speaker 2: We're in the same place as you.
Speaker 4: Okay, so in a year's time, I'll be fine.
Speaker 2: Three months we were just like fu.
Speaker 4: Is.
Speaker 3: We started the podcast and we were like both so
Speaker 3: all in on the podcast, and we were like we
Speaker 3: need to remain single.
Speaker 1: Yes, the podcast and I feel like our like want
Speaker 1: to not relationship.
Speaker 4: That's why somehow brought us relationships.
Speaker 2: Were like drafts.
Speaker 4: That's really funny. The universe it works in strange ways.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Dace station techniques, we didn't have them down, Pat,
Speaker 3: we didn't know what then. Yeah, do you have any
Speaker 3: funny dating story? It's all like your funniest dating story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, these ones I shared on the pod and I
Speaker 4: shared this one is like the one that people respond
Speaker 4: to the most. It was the one I talked about
Speaker 4: in the pilot episode. I went on this date with
Speaker 4: a guy who I met on a set of a
Speaker 4: commercial and he invited me back to his place like
Speaker 4: we were just talking on DMS. We'd already met in
Speaker 4: real life, so we never actually had a date. And
Speaker 4: he was like, do you want to come over to
Speaker 4: my house? Wink. I was like yeah, And so then
Speaker 4: like I was driving to he just gave me like
Speaker 4: a suburb. So I started driving to the suburb and
Speaker 4: then like as I was driving, he gave me the
Speaker 4: address and it was a car park at a beach.
Speaker 4: Was a car park, so that's his house the record, Well, no,
Speaker 4: it was a van. It was a van parked on
Speaker 4: the beach car park that's never dated an act. And
Speaker 4: he had his mattress in there in the van. He
Speaker 4: had the back of the van open to the beach
Speaker 4: and it was pitch black playing his guitar. You know
Speaker 4: what doesn't sound It wasn't that bad, but he's We
Speaker 4: sat there and he serenaded me for an hour and
Speaker 4: a half. It was like a rock concert, like he
Speaker 4: was asking me for suggestions, and I don't mind a man,
Speaker 4: you've just.
Speaker 2: Request you've literally come for I'm assuming.
Speaker 4: Yes, I was coming, She's ready to do it my ticket.
Speaker 4: I didn't what to do with this end gamet there
Speaker 4: like serenading me for an hour and a half and
Speaker 4: I was like too afraid to kind of make the
Speaker 4: first move. Wed like kissed a couple of times, and
Speaker 4: I was like, when are we going to get in
Speaker 4: the back of event Like, I'm not happy about it being.
Speaker 2: A man, let's just do it. Come on.
Speaker 4: So eventually, like he stopped the concert. The concert ended
Speaker 4: after like did you an uncle? But he like had
Speaker 4: like the chords open on his phone. He was like
Speaker 4: asking me for requests. I was like throwing him curveballs.
Speaker 4: I was asking to play like Chicken Fried by Zach
Speaker 4: Brown band, like country song, and I was like, come on,
Speaker 4: and I was just like what is going on? It
Speaker 4: was just really funny. Eventually we got into the back
Speaker 4: of his van. It happened.
Speaker 2: I was the sad. Was it worth the and a half?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: But did he know.
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Definitely.
Speaker 4: I don't think he even tried to like attend to
Speaker 4: that area. I think it was just like in and out.
Speaker 4: But the thing was is like he told me that
Speaker 4: he had this thing called relationship dick. Have you ever
Speaker 4: heard of this? No, I had never heard of it either.
Speaker 2: Do you know what, I'm very curious. I think I
Speaker 2: know what it is.
Speaker 4: Well, he'd just come out of a long term relationship,
Speaker 4: so he couldn't get hard. I was someone new, so
Speaker 4: it took him age.
Speaker 3: He could be pretending, not pretending. He could be like,
Speaker 3: I'm still in love with my.
Speaker 4: Well, they did get back together, so he was so true.
Speaker 4: It was the truth.
Speaker 2: But I've never heard of relationship neither.
Speaker 4: I hadn't.
Speaker 2: Explain.
Speaker 4: It makes sense, but I just had never heard of
Speaker 4: that term.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this might be a bit so he couldn't
Speaker 2: get hard. Yeah, and he also didn't attend to the no.
Speaker 4: No, but that's not the that's not the end of
Speaker 4: the story.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: Because we were out his van, and we'd been there
Speaker 4: for an hour and a half listening to music, and
Speaker 4: then it took a while for his dick to join
Speaker 4: the party. I really needed to wee. There were no
Speaker 4: toilets around, so I hadn't gone to evacuate the bladder.
Speaker 4: Oh no, And he finally was like ready to go,
Speaker 4: and he grabbed me by the waist so hard that
Speaker 4: I weed a little bit.
Speaker 2: I know what it is?
Speaker 4: What it is? I mean, that's I played it off.
Speaker 2: It's hot. Yeah, that's a fetish.
Speaker 4: He's into it. Okay, good, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not into it, but like whatever, it takes a lot.
Speaker 2: We've spoken. It takes a lot to get to me
Speaker 2: turned off, to get me like turned off. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: we have the hotline and that you know play.
Speaker 4: I went my pants a little bit and I played
Speaker 4: it off that I was just like really wet for
Speaker 4: him because of his concert. So he was like really,
Speaker 4: so the sex part didn't actually last that long? It
Speaker 4: was good.
Speaker 2: Did he believe?
Speaker 4: He was like this, she love me playing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they go pick up the guitar.
Speaker 1: No, was he like a rabbit type of like lover?
Speaker 4: You know? I can't even remember because like that part
Speaker 4: wasn't even a focus. I was just lying. They'd be like,
Speaker 4: please be done, and it was. It was quick. He
Speaker 4: was out and I was like, I'm going to go
Speaker 4: home now, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Was there anyone around if it's a public or was
Speaker 2: it too late for anyone to be there?
Speaker 4: Probably there were other cars there. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably imagine going on a date with your partner
Speaker 2: to like a look out, you know, you'd be like,
Speaker 2: don't break up with it. I don't want to go
Speaker 2: back out there.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's too good.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been ghosted or stood up on a date?
Speaker 4: I've never been stood up on a date, but I
Speaker 4: get ghosted heaps of times on dating apps. I just
Speaker 4: think it's the it's the trend. You message for a
Speaker 4: bit and then you never arrange a date and it
Speaker 4: never happens.
Speaker 1: You ever ghost absolutely, Yeah, we all have right now.
Speaker 1: I thinks he hasn't, but he definitely have.
Speaker 4: You done like a mutual ghost where like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: we've discussed and Fizzle is a ghost exactly. You just
Speaker 4: don't know who's your fault there. But you both were.
Speaker 2: Well I reckon, I say, I reckon. You both reckon.
Speaker 2: You've ghosted because I reckon? She goes, I ghosted him and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, I've ghosted. Sometimes it's the only
Speaker 4: way because I feel like a message in having to
Speaker 4: give a reason why you don't want to it can
Speaker 4: be more hopeful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: I think that too, like sometimes you don't want like
Speaker 3: an essay like, hey, you're not really my type, this
Speaker 3: isn't gonna work out.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, let's you know, it's not into it
Speaker 1: or whatever.
Speaker 2: When do you think is the right time to send
Speaker 2: a message then? Or not too how long into dating someone?
Speaker 4: As in like when's acceptable to ghost? And I think
Speaker 4: if you've been on two dates, it's acceptable to ghost.
Speaker 4: If you've been on three or more, do you have
Speaker 4: a different opinion. I think three or more they deserve a.
Speaker 2: Message two good dates or too well.
Speaker 4: I'm assuming after the second date, second date's.
Speaker 2: Bad, you've texted. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think even with texting, I think it's like got
Speaker 4: to do with like in person contact, Like if after
Speaker 4: the second date, you know.
Speaker 2: I think you can read a room, Yeah, you can
Speaker 2: read the room.
Speaker 4: And I think it's okay. I think it's okay after
Speaker 4: a second date, but after a third like if the
Speaker 4: second date went well and you chose to meet again,
Speaker 4: then they deserve a message. Yeah yeah, yeah, fu well.
Speaker 3: I feel like dating is like so fucked and like
Speaker 3: you kind of touched on it before, Like everyone isn't
Speaker 3: doesn't seem.
Speaker 1: To be looking for a partner.
Speaker 4: I always is that I think that there's too much choice.
Speaker 4: Like have you ever been like if you're scrolling on
Speaker 4: Netflix and you want to commit to a movie or
Speaker 4: a show, but there's so many other options, true, and
Speaker 4: then like you start watching it. Yeah, you're like you
Speaker 4: start committing to a movie and you're like, oh, it's
Speaker 4: not like good, I should have chosen the other one.
Speaker 4: And I just feel like it's the same thing. Like
Speaker 4: somebody looks at your profile and swipes right on you,
Speaker 4: but they're immediately looking at someone else's profile, so they're
Speaker 4: not actually invested in you if they saw you in
Speaker 4: real life, like there's a connection, and like you start
Speaker 4: chatting and like you're the only one on their mind.
Speaker 4: There's just too many options and everyone's always thinking they
Speaker 4: can do better.
Speaker 3: Everyone always thinks the grass is greener, but it's just
Speaker 3: not the truth.
Speaker 2: What do you say that the grass is greener on
Speaker 2: the other side? Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree with that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I get sometimes stuck in that way of thinking.
Speaker 4: And I'm guilty of it as well. Yeah, because I'm
Speaker 4: swiping on profiles and I'm like yes, and then I'm
Speaker 4: already looking at someone else's profile. And I think there's
Speaker 4: also like no, I was there's this girl called I
Speaker 4: can't remember her name, but she has an account called
Speaker 4: cheek Media. Yeah, and she was saying about there not
Speaker 4: being any community accountability because often, like back in the day,
Speaker 4: a friend would set up a friend, So like you're
Speaker 4: not going to go someone who your friend has set
Speaker 4: you up with. You're going to actually commit and if
Speaker 4: it doesn't work out, you're going to give a valid
Speaker 4: reason to say there wasn't a connection. But because of
Speaker 4: the apps, and it's same with Keyboard Warriors that we
Speaker 4: were talking about before. Yeah, but I get punish.
Speaker 2: But on that so true. But on that comment though,
Speaker 2: in this world, because of social media, everyone knows fucking
Speaker 2: everyone seriously, Like you talked to seven degrees of separation,
Speaker 2: he's now like three or four, and like it's going
Speaker 2: to get out that you've go to someone. It's going
Speaker 2: to like tell it, you know, So that is the
Speaker 2: same thing.
Speaker 4: But then there is always someone else to swipe on.
Speaker 4: So she're like, well we'll miss that one next one.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 3: The thing is that like no one it's such a
Speaker 3: true statement, Like everyone always talks to us about this,
Speaker 3: like no one wants to settle down. Everyone thinks to
Speaker 3: grass is greener, but like people are they eventually settling
Speaker 3: down or are people just not.
Speaker 1: Settling down anymore?
Speaker 3: Or people are just like open to just kind of
Speaker 3: like keeping the door moving with casual relationships.
Speaker 4: We're probably moving that way anyway, Like if we think
Speaker 4: about how people are having kids later or people are
Speaker 4: choosing not to have kids, like the way we're moving
Speaker 4: in terms of like family life is really it has changed. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so that makes sense.
Speaker 3: And a sex coach on and she was talking to
Speaker 3: us a lot about how monogamy is kind of like
Speaker 3: on the way out, and monogam mish is kind of.
Speaker 4: In what is monogamish?
Speaker 3: So monogam mish is when you have a partner who
Speaker 3: you're committed to, but maybe guys will be like open
Speaker 3: to threesomes together or or like one might be sex
Speaker 3: worker together, or one might.
Speaker 2: Be working more. So you say, okay, well, if you
Speaker 2: need I might not have the sex drives might not
Speaker 2: link up.
Speaker 4: So they go, okay, sex drive, find you needs elsewhere. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So that actually it comes up a lot when I'm
Speaker 4: there's a lot of people that write, yeah, I can't
Speaker 4: remember that means, but it's like something non monogamy, where
Speaker 4: like they're open. They're in a relationship, but they're open
Speaker 4: to seeing people on the side.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: Profiles like that have come up for me. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 4: I see you being a trend.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Hy could you do it?
Speaker 4: I'm so jealous.
Speaker 1: We're both so jealous.
Speaker 4: I could be the one playing round. Absolutely, you can't thing.
Speaker 3: It's like, are we really like in theory, it's good,
Speaker 3: but like also like I don't think jealousy is that toxic.
Speaker 3: Like we always talk about how toxic it is and
Speaker 3: we're the most jealous people ever. But actually, now that
Speaker 3: I've been thinking about it more recently, I don't actually
Speaker 3: think it's that toxic.
Speaker 1: I think it's part of.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 1: If you're not jealous, I don't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's someone that's jealous, might argue that they
Speaker 2: do care. They just have enough confidence in themselves and
Speaker 2: in the relationship that the other person isn't going to
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's called being secure, and like not all
Speaker 3: it was secure.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? That depends on your personality type.
Speaker 4: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Would you say you're secure in a relationship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, but it depends on how Yeah, it depends
Speaker 4: on the other person as well. And because my last
Speaker 4: partner was incredibly needy and so I was definitely the
Speaker 4: secure person, whereas like my relationship before that, I feel
Speaker 4: like he was more secure than I was, but it
Speaker 4: didn't necessarily make me needier. I just felt like his
Speaker 4: level of security was higher. Yeah, okay, but I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm pretty confident and secure in a relationship. But it's
Speaker 4: been so long, it's been so long that I don't
Speaker 4: know if I'm like that anymore. Yeah, you know, but
Speaker 4: like I used to fall into relationships so quickly, like
Speaker 4: I was like a serial monogamist, and I just went
Speaker 4: from long term relationship to long term relationship, and now
Speaker 4: I'm just like, what the fuck I had it together?
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm not so secure anymore, and everyone's like, she's
Speaker 4: a bit of secure damaged.
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like, you know, stay if you're
Speaker 3: not a little bit insecure being in the dating pool
Speaker 3: for that long, and there's something and it is.
Speaker 2: Past traumas in dating that makes you so if you've.
Speaker 4: Got baggage, baggage, I got my suitcases.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these two reporters at the back of some more yeah.
Speaker 2: I was about to say, yeah, advance full of mine.
Speaker 2: How you got here to Sydney.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you say you don't like dating apps, you
Speaker 2: don't go out. If you were out, would you be
Speaker 2: able to go up to someone? Are you confident striking
Speaker 2: as a very person? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I could. And this is funny because You've actually touched
Speaker 4: on a new type of content that I'm about to
Speaker 4: make just because I want to see.
Speaker 2: I got the I've got the content, but just can't
Speaker 2: execute it.
Speaker 4: I'm going to do it. I'm going to ask people
Speaker 4: that in public. Yeah, I'm actually going to make content
Speaker 4: out of it. So good. Not on dates, but I
Speaker 4: just want to like go to a dog park with
Speaker 4: men and like cue i'd meet someone in real life,
Speaker 4: but yes, I would do that. My issue now is that, like,
Speaker 4: I find the people that I like approach are like
Speaker 4: twenty one, and I'm like, oh oh sorry, maybe.
Speaker 3: What age is your ideal partner if you had to
Speaker 3: like pick the like optimum day.
Speaker 4: I mean age over the age of twenty seven, okay,
Speaker 4: and I'm twenty nine. Yeah, so like, I mean, yes,
Speaker 4: I would date younger than that, but I find that
Speaker 4: in a different stage of my.
Speaker 2: Life, I think they'd be too young if you were
Speaker 2: younger than twenty seven.
Speaker 4: I think maturity levels are real different.
Speaker 2: And apparently men don't as fast as.
Speaker 3: Exactly easier to date like a woman.
Speaker 1: In some senses, they are more mature.
Speaker 5: They are.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, like when I was in my relationship with
Speaker 4: my ex girlfriend. When it was good, it was great.
Speaker 4: It was just like a forever sleepover with your best friend.
Speaker 4: But then when it got bad, it was bad. And
Speaker 4: I find that like fighting with a woman.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, trust me, I know.
Speaker 4: It's Yeah, two of us together, can you imagine us fighting?
Speaker 4: It's just like silent treatment on the next level, we're
Speaker 4: just both crying and not fighting, and just like crying
Speaker 4: in the corner, not able to communicate our feelings.
Speaker 2: What's your attachment style?
Speaker 4: What are they? I can't remember.
Speaker 3: You're anxious anxious.
Speaker 2: Attachment and therapy I found out I'm anxious. Yes, I
Speaker 2: want to get it done right there and then you
Speaker 2: dare walk away me as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was anxious attachment.
Speaker 1: Actually know I need a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then it's avoidant.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm not avoidant. I will fight. I will fight.
Speaker 4: If it's fight orf flight, I will fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, same, I think, Yeah, is that one. I think.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm like that because it's not
Speaker 2: me just chill like to go yeah, God he forgets.
Speaker 1: I'm like, we fight all the time.
Speaker 2: A woman that seems to get close to me I
Speaker 2: bicker with. I don't know, is it me? Yeah? Yes, no, yes,
Speaker 2: I think I grew up with a mom and two sisters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, used to women.
Speaker 2: I'm used to just like you know, don't.
Speaker 4: Take ship, yes, yeah, but you know people walking away
Speaker 4: from you though, like you're just like you want to
Speaker 4: get it sorted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I sort of think, like, why why prolong this?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Why with life so short? Like let's just knut it
Speaker 2: out and be cuddling again on the couch in like
Speaker 2: twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, we don't cuddle on.
Speaker 2: The like, you know, we go back to like benefiting
Speaker 2: us playing the podcast using that.
Speaker 4: But we like the fights. The fight is part of
Speaker 4: the content.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we do.
Speaker 2: Started it be fun.
Speaker 3: Started we weren't that open with the fact that we
Speaker 3: would fight all the time, and then it got to
Speaker 3: a point where we weren't talking and we'd come into
Speaker 3: the podcast like look at each other and we'd.
Speaker 1: Be like, and I was like me mad, I've just
Speaker 1: had a fight.
Speaker 2: No, no, before that that, we would fight for an
Speaker 2: episode and then act like nothing could.
Speaker 1: Happen, and it was just like, didn't feel since like
Speaker 1: we can't do it.
Speaker 2: Then relieve and we just feel that was all right, okay.
Speaker 3: Later we kind of make up by the end of
Speaker 3: the podcast because we'd actually like find each other.
Speaker 2: Sorry just turning into us, But we would argue on
Speaker 2: the way into the podcast, like on the phone, get in,
Speaker 2: like sit down, all right, we're got to do.
Speaker 4: This, guys.
Speaker 1: We're not like that, we realized.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I reckon your listeners would like the honesty, though, yeah,
Speaker 4: because nobody is on or perfect one hundred percent of
Speaker 4: the time when.
Speaker 2: We're not on. Yeah, we wouldmit when we're not coming
Speaker 2: and I'll be like, yeah, I'm not on today.
Speaker 1: Do you and your co host argue? No, See that's good.
Speaker 4: We disagree on topics, but no, it's mostly fun. Grace
Speaker 4: and I worked together and we weren't friends outside of work.
Speaker 4: This is my retail job until I asked her to
Speaker 4: do this because I just like, I just was looking
Speaker 4: for a co host and we just did a test
Speaker 4: and I was like, hey, will you come in because
Speaker 4: my two greatest friends that not to discount Grace as
Speaker 4: my co host, but like they would have been my besties.
Speaker 4: Both moved to other countries. Wow. He's like, hey, Grace,
Speaker 4: you want to come just do this test with me?
Speaker 4: And then the guys here were like, she's brilliant, and
Speaker 4: I was like, Grace, can you say she's amazing? I
Speaker 4: love her. She's so good, like.
Speaker 2: Had a connection or chemistry, whether.
Speaker 4: It advantages great. Yeah, she's really funny. And we just
Speaker 4: our podcast, we just laugh about embarrassing stories, similar to
Speaker 4: my Wei van story. It's just like we get the
Speaker 4: following the r Kelly Van.
Speaker 2: What actually funny? I actually had his songs on Chef
Speaker 2: came in my playlist and I had to imagine if that.
Speaker 4: Song was playing while I was having sex with that
Speaker 4: man in the van, that would have been ironic, that
Speaker 4: would have been funny, that would have been.
Speaker 2: Playing in the van.
Speaker 4: Or no silent just the waves of the ocean romantic, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But Grace and I we're good. We're good, fine, we're
Speaker 4: good friends, and we really fight.
Speaker 1: You were telling us before that Grace is now pregnant.
Speaker 4: She said she had a baby. Yeah, so end of
Speaker 4: January she had her baby. Yes, Grace had a little boy.
Speaker 4: She announced she was pregnant on episode three, so when
Speaker 4: we first Saturday, I didn't know she was pregnant. And
Speaker 4: then my third recording, she's like, I have to do
Speaker 4: it that pregnant and I was like, whoa, Okay, well
Speaker 4: she did do it on it h But then, like
Speaker 4: the whole podcast, because we've been going for ten months,
Speaker 4: has been like her pregnancy journey, which has been fine,
Speaker 4: but we have very contrasting views of dating and relationships
Speaker 4: because she's engaged and has a baby and I'm severely single.
Speaker 4: So we have nice banter contrast.
Speaker 1: It's the perfect lage.
Speaker 4: It was accidental, but it was great. It was magic.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: Do you want to take us through what type of
Speaker 3: content you guys cover on the podcast?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for anyone who wants to listen.
Speaker 4: Every episode, we do a thing called tell Me about It,
Speaker 4: which is similar to your hotline. Yeah, and we ask
Speaker 4: my followers on Instagram. I asked them to tell me
Speaker 4: about a topic, and a lot of the time it
Speaker 4: revolves around dating, but sometimes we do like reasons you
Speaker 4: weren't friends with someone anymore, or like workplace horror stories,
Speaker 4: puberty horror stories, and so like we'll have a different
Speaker 4: the theme for every episode, and we basically just read
Speaker 4: embarrassing stories and we just laughed. It's a really long story,
Speaker 4: but I just released the edit on my Instagram this
Speaker 4: week and it just went off. It was this girl
Speaker 4: in puberty. She was thirteen and she went to like
Speaker 4: a theme park and she was wearing like a really
Speaker 4: loose bra, and she developed big boobs really early. She
Speaker 4: was like a dcup and she was thirteen. She went
Speaker 4: on one of those like claw shape rights and the
Speaker 4: ones where they strap you in and like it goes
Speaker 4: so fast you have like no control over your limbs
Speaker 4: and everything like flaps around. And as soon as the
Speaker 4: ride started, her boobs came completely out of her shirt
Speaker 4: and her bra and they were like flying around mid air.
Speaker 4: She because her arms she had no control, she couldn't
Speaker 4: hold them, she couldn't hold them in and because of
Speaker 4: like this claw, she was in this like circle. So
Speaker 4: everyone everyone, She's in this huge circle, so everyone's watching,
Speaker 4: but she couldn't move her head, so she was just
Speaker 4: like locked in this eye. Like this is her just
Speaker 4: fucking flopping. That's her, that's actions she needs to go
Speaker 4: to therapy.
Speaker 5: If you were sitting off too, you can't move, you're
Speaker 5: just like, ah, yeah, poor girl.
Speaker 4: And then like we were saying, we were laughing because
Speaker 4: like once it stops, it kind of stops mid air
Speaker 4: and like slowly returns to the ground. Imagine if like
Speaker 4: you still couldn't and you had to wait for the
Speaker 4: guy to release you from the seat before you could
Speaker 4: tuck your boobies in.
Speaker 1: Such a shame I feel soothing. That's actually fun.
Speaker 4: No, at any age that would have been fucked, but
Speaker 4: at thirteen that's worse. Yeah, but we love that she
Speaker 4: had a sense of humor and she sent that story
Speaker 4: in for us to laugh about. So that's kind of
Speaker 4: the stories we get, or like we stories lots of
Speaker 4: Pooh stories.
Speaker 1: We had a poo story, Hote.
Speaker 4: We talk about pool almost every episode. It's fun. It's fun.
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't want to turn this into a
Speaker 2: poo episode.
Speaker 4: Okay, get away, get away from the feces. We had
Speaker 4: a story we did a wedding episode about like weddings
Speaker 4: being stupid and like horror stories from weddings and this guy,
Speaker 4: her boyfriend had like soiled himself, shout his pants and
Speaker 4: put his soiled underwear in her handbag. And he realized
Speaker 4: when they were going home, why.
Speaker 2: Would he keep the underwear?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you want to throw the new case?
Speaker 4: I don't know. When they were going home, they realized
Speaker 4: that they weren't in her handbag, he put them in
Speaker 4: someone else's head.
Speaker 1: That's fun.
Speaker 2: Imagine your Louis And there's a fair of us.
Speaker 4: Did I piss off?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: What the heck?
Speaker 1: That's actually cool?
Speaker 4: What a weird wedding favor.
Speaker 3: We were listening to your podcast this morning, but I'm
Speaker 3: gonna have to tune in more often than while.
Speaker 4: The good fun.
Speaker 3: Okay, we have a couple of listener questions for you
Speaker 3: that we're gonna ask you next. Okay, so one of
Speaker 3: our listeners have asked, even although you seem to have
Speaker 3: it all together, tell us about one of the things
Speaker 3: that you struggle most with adulting.
Speaker 4: I don't have it together. Like, if that's what it
Speaker 4: seems like, that's hilarious and thank you so much, but
Speaker 4: I am such a hot mess. Like I just think that,
Speaker 4: like most of the adulting things, I just procrastinate, like
Speaker 4: accounting finances, savings return when I now have an accountant
Speaker 4: who does it. But like I had a conversation with
Speaker 4: my account at the other day and I was like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm holding the phone. I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: understand what you're talking about it.
Speaker 2: All I say is I don't get paid to do this.
Speaker 2: You do exactly I would be doing this, That's right, I.
Speaker 4: Tell them, I don't need to think about it. You
Speaker 4: went to school for this.
Speaker 3: I don't have to understand that that I'm paying you
Speaker 3: to know nderstand it though, to be honest.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just like, look, what is that?
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 4: I said? Most of it, cleaning, cooking, all of it. Like,
Speaker 4: I just I think that once I get my dog,
Speaker 4: I'm going to have to really grow up because I
Speaker 4: have another mom. I'm going to be a mom mummy.
Speaker 2: Do you think that the dog will make you more
Speaker 2: responsible and teach responsibilities?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because also I'm responsible for someone else. I also
Speaker 4: think it's going to do great things for my mental
Speaker 4: health because I'm gonna like be forced to leave the
Speaker 4: house because right now I think that like in terms
Speaker 4: of being an adult, I know what's best for me,
Speaker 4: but I'm not going to do it because I'm just
Speaker 4: too lazy and I'm just like, I know that getting
Speaker 4: out of the house and going for a walk for
Speaker 4: that stupid mental health walk is going to be better
Speaker 4: for me. But I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 3: But if I have a dog, then you have to
Speaker 3: you have to do it bad because okay, fine, I'll
Speaker 3: take you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, no, none of it's together. And that's why,
Speaker 4: like a lot of my skits is about being a mess,
Speaker 4: because it's like literally my life. I love it.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're all in there right.
Speaker 4: Nobody want to get by.
Speaker 1: No one knows what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have no idea.
Speaker 4: And when we were the kids though, and you saw
Speaker 4: people our age, they were like, oh they know what
Speaker 4: they're doing.
Speaker 2: My dad. My dad had me and my sister at
Speaker 2: my age. What the fuck? How are you twenty seven? Yeah,
Speaker 2: twenty eight?
Speaker 4: Yeah? My tap was twenty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think you got married at like twenty
Speaker 2: four was a couple of years oldience twenty six.
Speaker 4: Babies, it's crazy cool.
Speaker 2: I was been drinking at like something like not having kids. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's why.
Speaker 4: I am a baby. I can't have no how, I
Speaker 4: don't know. It's a different time. Yeah, it's a different time.
Speaker 1: It is a different time.
Speaker 2: I have a question, Yes, would you ever do a
Speaker 2: stand up routine? Because you're abviously quite funny.
Speaker 4: I get asked this all the time. Maybe I think.
Speaker 2: That, Okay, I want to do one. By the end
Speaker 2: of the you do you want to do one?
Speaker 4: If we'll both do one, she would.
Speaker 2: Do one, like at the same thing.
Speaker 4: If we're both bad, though, I want funds, actually actually
Speaker 4: want like if i'd be bad, that's part of it.
Speaker 1: Be bad.
Speaker 2: If I'm bad, Sorry, I've already got started. Well, but
Speaker 2: what I'm literal going to come out, my opening line
Speaker 2: would be I am not trained, like, leave now. If
Speaker 2: you want to get a refund, I'll pay your tickets.
Speaker 2: But my opening line opportunity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think so, I like.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: The only thing I would like hate the rejection. I
Speaker 4: don't know how I would handle it.
Speaker 1: I'll be there.
Speaker 4: I'll just paid actors put you in the audience just
Speaker 4: to get him going.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, nothing. Your friends would be there to.
Speaker 3: Support you, and surely you get recognized all the time
Speaker 3: from TikTok.
Speaker 4: Yeah all the time. Really, it happens on my dating
Speaker 4: apps now too, which is a bit of a weirdo.
Speaker 2: Don't you've got a link straight to.
Speaker 4: Photo? Is just a video all my skiffs. No, I
Speaker 4: try to like not make it seem that way, but
Speaker 4: when people like match or like like my profile, they'll
Speaker 4: write a comment and I'm just like, I don't know
Speaker 4: if that's turning me off or not, but yeah, it
Speaker 4: happens a lot.
Speaker 1: How do you like announce to the people you're dating
Speaker 1: what you do?
Speaker 4: I haven't I had them, I have social media. Most
Speaker 4: of the time, they'll they'll either be two people people
Speaker 4: that like understand and know who I am when we
Speaker 4: match and they've seen like they've seen me pop up,
Speaker 4: or they'll be like, oh, I recognize you. I thought
Speaker 4: I knew your face and if they weren't, like a follower,
Speaker 4: and then people who were just like I don't even
Speaker 4: know what that is. I don't have social media, so like,
Speaker 4: I don't even understand.
Speaker 1: What one do you prefer?
Speaker 4: You probably the one who does know, because one time
Speaker 4: I had a date with a guy who knew nothing,
Speaker 4: and like, I like, we ran out of conversation because
Speaker 4: I was like, I literally cannot tell you about my job,
Speaker 4: Like you don't actually understand or have an interest in
Speaker 4: what I do, and this is like my whole life.
Speaker 4: So like how we meant.
Speaker 2: To What did he do for a job?
Speaker 4: I can't even remember, but he was one of those
Speaker 4: like it does drink coffee, but he has coco powder
Speaker 4: with lukewarm water and shots it in them.
Speaker 2: That's enough, that's enough to.
Speaker 4: Not leader well. Actually the whole day he just told
Speaker 4: me what he ate that day, ingredient by ingredient, so
Speaker 4: like he's like, kaoe, spinach chili, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm not calorie.
Speaker 1: Look in the sauna here. This whole podcast, it is
Speaker 1: very hot.
Speaker 3: So we are going to go, but we are now
Speaker 3: going on Maddie's podcast. Sure you tuned into that one
Speaker 3: as well. If more content from the three of us, Maddie,
Speaker 3: thank you so much pleasure the podcast.
Speaker 4: It's very fun.