WEBVTT - Is JD Vance for real?

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<v Speaker 1>on the Front. I'm Claire Harvey. It's Friday, August two.

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<v Speaker 1>Israel has declared it's eliminated a top Hamas commander. Mohammadif,

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<v Speaker 1>an alleged planner of the October seven massacre of civilians

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<v Speaker 1>in Israel, died in a July airstrike part of Israel's

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<v Speaker 1>ferocious siege of Gaza. Deif is the third high ranking

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli target to die in forty eight hours after assassinations

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<v Speaker 1>in Lebanon and Iran. Former Chief of Army Peter Lay

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<v Speaker 1>is warning Australia is now a strategic liability to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. Lay says Australia's military is stretched too thin

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<v Speaker 1>and unprepared to fight at short notice. That's an exclusive

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<v Speaker 1>live for our subscribers right now at the Australian dot

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<v Speaker 1>com dot au. Jdevance, the man who wants to be

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<v Speaker 1>America's next Vice president, turns forty today. So how did

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<v Speaker 1>a man who was once a very outspoken critic of

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump become Trump's running mate, and who is the

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<v Speaker 1>real jd Vance that's today on the front. Let's go

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<v Speaker 1>back for a moment to the twenty sixteen election campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>Republican candidate Donald Trump is considered an outside chance, even

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a joke. But there's a movement on

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<v Speaker 1>a group of people who are angry, extremely vocal, and

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<v Speaker 1>very pro Trump. Hillary Clinton called them a basket of deplorables.

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<v Speaker 2>Right the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, you name it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're mostly just working class white Americans. Jd Vance, a

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<v Speaker 1>little known author, thinks he might have some answers about

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<v Speaker 1>why they love Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>Fundamentally, what's going on and what Donald Trump has done

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<v Speaker 3>is changed the focus of the white working class from

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<v Speaker 3>a sort of engaged in constructive politics to a politics

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<v Speaker 3>appointing the finger.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Vans, who just published an autobiography about growing up

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<v Speaker 1>Paul in the Midwest. Talking to journalist Charlie Rose.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a never Trump guy. I never liked him. The

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<v Speaker 3>problem is if you take that attitude of sort of

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<v Speaker 3>gloating over Trump's defeat, then you're playing into the very

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<v Speaker 3>thing that gave rise to Trump in the first place.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is a feeling that the elites think that they're

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<v Speaker 3>smarter than you.

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<v Speaker 1>And now former President Donald Trump announcing he has chosen Ohio.

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<v Speaker 4>US Senator JD.

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<v Speaker 1>Vance as is running me on his the never Trump guy, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he's changed his tune.

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<v Speaker 5>For the last eight years, President Trump has given everything

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<v Speaker 5>he has to fight for the people of our country.

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<v Speaker 5>He didn't need politics, but the country needed him now.

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<v Speaker 5>Prior running for president, he was one of the most

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<v Speaker 5>successful businessmen in the world. He had everything anyone could

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<v Speaker 5>ever want in a life. And yet instead of choosing

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<v Speaker 5>the easy path, he chose to endure abuse, slander and persecution.

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<v Speaker 5>And he did it because he loves this country.

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<v Speaker 1>So who is the real jed Vance? Nick Jensen is

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<v Speaker 1>the opinion editor at The Australian. Nick. First of all, JD.

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<v Speaker 1>Van turns forty today. He's a millennial. So how much

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<v Speaker 1>does that matter when we think about his political significance.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's extremely important because in so many ways,

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<v Speaker 6>the way in which JD. Vance has discussed is through

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<v Speaker 6>the prism of Trump and him being a kind of

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<v Speaker 6>maga air if you like. But I think he represents

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<v Speaker 6>so much more. I think the millennial aspect really can't

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<v Speaker 6>be underestimated. I mean, if you think about some of

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<v Speaker 6>the things he stands for, so just to run through

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<v Speaker 6>a couple of them, you know, he's skeptical about stock markets,

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<v Speaker 6>he's skeptical about big tech companies. He's keen on tariffs,

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<v Speaker 6>he's keen on minimum wages, even labor unions. Not only

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<v Speaker 6>is it unlike Trump one, but it's actually quite unlike

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<v Speaker 6>the Republican Party of recent years. It's about labor and

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<v Speaker 6>not capital. And I think a lot of these issues

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<v Speaker 6>are things that millennials on the left and right can

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<v Speaker 6>find some.

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<v Speaker 1>Appealing hillbilly ellogy. Really for many people who after the

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<v Speaker 1>election who were wondering how Trump rose, the book was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a manual, wasn't it too?

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<v Speaker 3>This is why.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's in the first instance, a remarkable story, his

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<v Speaker 6>story of childhood trauma. But it's exactly that. It's a

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<v Speaker 6>guide book, isn't it about how you can kind of

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<v Speaker 6>improve your lives? And it's also a guidebook or a

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<v Speaker 6>kind of history of the complexities of this working class

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<v Speaker 6>rage that has been there amongst the kinds of people

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<v Speaker 6>he's grown up with that has raised him. That you know,

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<v Speaker 6>they've been sold a pup. As far as they're concerned,

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<v Speaker 6>the American dream is broken. It doesn't work with them.

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<v Speaker 6>Their jobs have gone, wages stagnated, and the kinds of

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<v Speaker 6>russ Belt ruins in which they live just nothing works anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>So I didn't write this book because I've accomplished something extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote this book because I've achieved something quite ordinary,

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<v Speaker 3>which doesn't happen to most kids who grow up like me.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Jdva. It's narrating part of his book Hill

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<v Speaker 1>Billy Elegy.

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<v Speaker 3>The statistics tell you that kids like me face a

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<v Speaker 3>grim future. That if they're lucky, they'll manage to avoid welfare,

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<v Speaker 3>and if they're unlucky, they'll die of a heroin overdose.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever talents I have, I almost squandered until a handful

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<v Speaker 3>of loving people rescued me. That is the real story

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<v Speaker 3>of my life, and that is why I wrote this book.

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<v Speaker 1>He has said since accepting the vice presidential nomination that

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's brilliance as president changed his mind, and it's okay

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<v Speaker 1>for people to change their minds. Of course, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to him, so he hasn't really repudiated his previous

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<v Speaker 1>views about life or about America has he it's more

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<v Speaker 1>his views about Trump.

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, I think the vision that jd. Vance has just

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<v Speaker 6>adds a new layer to TRUMPSM. He's modernizing it. So

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<v Speaker 6>we already know that the kind of core tenets of

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<v Speaker 6>TRUMPSM is part of the JD. Vance story. In fact,

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<v Speaker 6>as we're saying, it's probably built out of it as

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<v Speaker 6>a kind of core text or guidebook, as you say,

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<v Speaker 6>but there's new aspects to it, some of the things

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<v Speaker 6>that I was just listing before about being skeptical about

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<v Speaker 6>stock markets and labor over capital. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 6>a whole new intellectual aspect in politics that's happening on

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<v Speaker 6>the right, and in fact they're calling it the new

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<v Speaker 6>Right now. That of course predates Vance, but I don't

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<v Speaker 6>think we've ever really seen someone who's so absolutely embodies

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<v Speaker 6>this kind of new movement quite like him.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think he's charming.

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<v Speaker 6>I think he's polished. I think he's sharp. I think

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<v Speaker 6>he's very focused. I think he's aggressive. I think his

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<v Speaker 6>story makes him compelling. I wouldn't describe him as charming

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<v Speaker 6>or charismatic, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up, the story of JD. Vance evolves as he

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<v Speaker 1>becomes part of the Republican political machine, how does he

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<v Speaker 1>handle his own history? And speaking of evolving stories, make

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<v Speaker 1>to the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's new running mate JD. Vance takes the stage. He

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<v Speaker 1>talks about Donald Trump, about his history, about his vision

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<v Speaker 1>for America, but the person who stole the show wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even there.

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<v Speaker 3>To see it.

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<v Speaker 5>I was lucky, despite the closing factories and the growing

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<v Speaker 5>addiction in towns like mine, in my life, I had

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<v Speaker 5>a guardian angel by my side. Was an old woman

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<v Speaker 5>who could barely walk, but she was tough as nails.

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<v Speaker 5>I called her Mamma, the name we Hillbillies gave to

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<v Speaker 5>our grandmothers. And my Mamma died shortly before I left

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<v Speaker 5>for Iraq in two thousand and five, and when we

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<v Speaker 5>went through things, we found nineteen loaded handguns. They were

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<v Speaker 5>stashed all over her house, under her bed, in her closet,

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<v Speaker 5>in the silverware drawer, and we wondered what was going on,

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<v Speaker 5>and it occurred to us that towards the end of

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<v Speaker 5>her life, mamma couldn't get around so well. And so

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<v Speaker 5>this frail old woman made sure that no matter where

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<v Speaker 5>she was, she was with an arm's length of whatever

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<v Speaker 5>she needed to protect her family. That's who we fight for.

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<v Speaker 5>That's American spirit.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Jdvans of today, a man who's honed

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<v Speaker 1>his personal story into a sharp political weapon.

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<v Speaker 6>Why are you such a compelling figure? Is the narrative,

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<v Speaker 6>which is obviously what runs like a you know, electricity

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<v Speaker 6>through Hillbilly elegy is so powerful. I mean it's embedded

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<v Speaker 6>in him. You saw it in the Republican National Convention speech.

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<v Speaker 6>It's all there, and so it makes him such a

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<v Speaker 6>powerful figure to draw on that. I think one of

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<v Speaker 6>the moving moments in the Republican National Convention recently was

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<v Speaker 6>when J. D. Evans's mother, Beverly, who we know led

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<v Speaker 6>a life of extreme dysfunctional and abuse an addiction. She

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<v Speaker 6>stood in the crowd and people applauded her.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm proud to say that tonight my mom is here,

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<v Speaker 5>ten years, clean and sober.

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<v Speaker 3>I love your.

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<v Speaker 5>Mom, and you know, Mom, I was thinking it'll be

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<v Speaker 5>ten years. Officially, in January of twenty twenty five, and

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<v Speaker 5>if President Trump's okay with it, let's have the same

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<v Speaker 5>in the White House.

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<v Speaker 6>And she's part of the kind of reform, the personal

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<v Speaker 6>reform that he's advocating. It's a pretty remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>Story, especially when American politicians have really hidden the dark

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<v Speaker 1>things about their families forever.

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, and we're talking about serious dysfunction. I mean, for

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<v Speaker 6>those who haven't read He'll Bill the Ellergy or watched

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<v Speaker 6>the film, I mean, we're talking about relatives setting each

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<v Speaker 6>other on fire. We're talking about suicide attempts, we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, driving cars off the road. And it's a

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<v Speaker 6>really intense story of childhood trauma kind of at the

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<v Speaker 6>heart of it. They kind of a more intimate look

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<v Speaker 6>at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Jodie Vance at the center of it is

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<v Speaker 1>an incredibly vulnerable little figure. You know, this little boy

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<v Speaker 1>who just desperately wants his mother's love, has to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with a string of kind of stepfather figures who come

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<v Speaker 1>through the family, and ultimately relies on Mammal, his grandma,

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<v Speaker 1>to be the force of stability in his life.

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<v Speaker 5>Ma'am Moll was in so many ways a woman of contradiction.

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<v Speaker 5>She loved the lord, ladies and gentlemen. She was a

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<v Speaker 5>woman of very deep Christian fear, but she also loved

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<v Speaker 5>the F word. Now. She once told me, when she

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<v Speaker 5>found out that I was spending too much time with

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<v Speaker 5>a local kid who was known for dealing drugs, that

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<v Speaker 5>if I ever hung out with that kid again, she

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<v Speaker 5>would run him over with her car. That's true, and

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<v Speaker 5>she said, gd no one will ever find out about it.

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<v Speaker 6>She's a remarkable character in the story. Isn't she the grandmother?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean? But for her, I think she's probably the

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<v Speaker 6>most decisive figure in the childhood, isn't she? Because she

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<v Speaker 6>is the person that insists on the kind of inner

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<v Speaker 6>dignity of people whose lives have gone wrong or not

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<v Speaker 6>in the way they expected. And she really drives home

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<v Speaker 6>to him that personal responsibility is really the only antidote

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<v Speaker 6>for him to improve his life, to become somewhae and

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<v Speaker 6>to move away from all the dysfunction and suffering.

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<v Speaker 1>A former friend of his name Sophia Nelson. Sophia's a

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<v Speaker 1>transgender woman and public defender who once had a close

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with Jade Vance. She's leaked dozens of decade old

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<v Speaker 1>emails that the pair of them exchanged and she talked

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<v Speaker 1>about him on CNN.

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<v Speaker 4>What I've seen as a chameleon, someone who is able

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<v Speaker 4>to change their positions and their values depending on what

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<v Speaker 4>will amass them political power and wealth.

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<v Speaker 1>He reveals himself as someone is very thoughtful about the

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of things that I think he would now say

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<v Speaker 1>are left liberal elite obsessions. You know, he's been very

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<v Speaker 1>thoughtful about the gender identity of this person who is

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<v Speaker 1>friends with. He's completely accepting of her. He in fact

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<v Speaker 1>apologizes for having described to in Hillbilly Ellogy as gay,

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<v Speaker 1>which he realizes perhaps not the way she would choose

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<v Speaker 1>to describe herself.

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<v Speaker 4>So the JD. Evans that I was friends with for

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<v Speaker 4>over a decade was compassionate and we've frequently disagreed, but

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<v Speaker 4>he always approached conversations with respect and kindness. And what

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<v Speaker 4>we've seen with Donald Trump is a callousness and a

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<v Speaker 4>cruelty in the way he talks about people, a bullying right.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a bully, and he calls people names. And when

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<v Speaker 4>Jad decided to run for the Senate in twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 4>he started adopting that similar persona so anathema to.

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<v Speaker 1>Who he used to be the JD. Evans of today

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<v Speaker 1>is bombastic. He isn't afraid to offend people all start thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>He is talking to Tucker Culson in twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 5>We're effectively run in this country via the Democrats, via

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<v Speaker 5>our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of childless cat ladies

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<v Speaker 5>who are miserable at their own lives and the choices

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<v Speaker 5>that they've made, and so they want to make the

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<v Speaker 5>rest of the country miserable too.

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<v Speaker 1>He hasn't apologized for those comments, by the way, but

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<v Speaker 1>he did recently make vi clarification.

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<v Speaker 5>I've got nothing against kats. I've got nothing against dogs,

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<v Speaker 5>and I've got one dog at home and I love them.

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<v Speaker 3>The substance of what I said, I'm sorry, it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>That brings us to the big question about JD. Vance.

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<v Speaker 1>Was he telling the truth about himself back then and

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<v Speaker 1>now he's pretending to be someone else, or was he

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<v Speaker 1>pretending to be someone else back then and now we

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<v Speaker 1>see the real JD. Evans.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, there's people on both sides that are very

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<v Speaker 6>clear on what they think about that I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, clearly, political opportunism and changing one's character and

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<v Speaker 6>even values is always going to be a thing in

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<v Speaker 6>politics quite whether he's changed them to such an extent

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<v Speaker 6>in order to be Trump's running mate, and you know,

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<v Speaker 6>it's difficult to say. I think one thing that is revealing, though,

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<v Speaker 6>is that when he defeated Tim Ryan, a Democrat and

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<v Speaker 6>longtime Ohio representative for the seat high Io, Trump endorsed

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<v Speaker 6>Vance in that election, you know, helping him win during

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<v Speaker 6>a crowded election cycle. Now it's quite clear without Trump's support,

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<v Speaker 6>there's no way Jdvans would have been in this position.

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<v Speaker 1>If Trump loses this election, do you think that will

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<v Speaker 1>be the end of Jodey Vance's career or can he

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<v Speaker 1>execute another one?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, but I think one thing is for sure.

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<v Speaker 6>You mentioned the Republican establishment. I think if jd Vance

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<v Speaker 6>goes on to become vice president and who knows, maybe

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<v Speaker 6>even president, it's possible it will forever change the right

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<v Speaker 6>in the US. So in some ways jd Vance is

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<v Speaker 6>kind of more consequential than Trump because of some of

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<v Speaker 6>those add ons, because of that new intellectual background, because

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<v Speaker 6>of the millennial aspect. I think jd Vance is here

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<v Speaker 6>to stay. And also happy birthday.

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