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Speaker 1: Israel has declared it's eliminated a top Hamas commander. Mohammadif,

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Speaker 1: live for our subscribers right now at the Australian dot

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Speaker 1: com dot au. Jdevance, the man who wants to be

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Speaker 1: America's next Vice president, turns forty today. So how did

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Speaker 1: a man who was once a very outspoken critic of

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Speaker 1: real jd Vance that's today on the front. Let's go

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Speaker 1: back for a moment to the twenty sixteen election campaign.

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Speaker 1: Republican candidate Donald Trump is considered an outside chance, even

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Speaker 1: a bit of a joke. But there's a movement on

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Speaker 1: a group of people who are angry, extremely vocal, and

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Speaker 2: Right the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, you name it.

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Speaker 1: They're mostly just working class white Americans. Jd Vance, a

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Speaker 1: little known author, thinks he might have some answers about

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Speaker 3: Fundamentally, what's going on and what Donald Trump has done

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Speaker 1: That's Vans, who just published an autobiography about growing up

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Speaker 1: Paul in the Midwest. Talking to journalist Charlie Rose.

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Speaker 3: I'm a never Trump guy. I never liked him. The

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Speaker 3: Which is a feeling that the elites think that they're

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Speaker 1: And now former President Donald Trump announcing he has chosen Ohio.

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Speaker 4: US Senator JD.

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Speaker 1: Vance as is running me on his the never Trump guy, Well,

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Speaker 5: For the last eight years, President Trump has given everything

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Speaker 5: he has to fight for the people of our country.

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Speaker 5: He didn't need politics, but the country needed him now.

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Speaker 5: Prior running for president, he was one of the most

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Speaker 1: So who is the real jed Vance? Nick Jensen is

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Speaker 1: the opinion editor at The Australian. Nick. First of all, JD.

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Speaker 1: Van turns forty today. He's a millennial. So how much

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Speaker 6: I think it's extremely important because in so many ways,

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Speaker 6: the way in which JD. Vance has discussed is through

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, I think the vision that jd. Vance has just

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Speaker 1: This is the Jdvans of today, a man who's honed

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Speaker 4: So the JD. Evans that I was friends with for

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Speaker 4: over a decade was compassionate and we've frequently disagreed, but

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Speaker 4: he always approached conversations with respect and kindness. And what

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Speaker 4: we've seen with Donald Trump is a callousness and a

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Speaker 4: cruelty in the way he talks about people, a bullying right.

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Speaker 4: He's a bully, and he calls people names. And when

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Speaker 4: Jad decided to run for the Senate in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 4: he started adopting that similar persona so anathema to.

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Speaker 1: Who he used to be the JD. Evans of today

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Speaker 1: is bombastic. He isn't afraid to offend people all start thoughts.

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Speaker 1: He is talking to Tucker Culson in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 5: We're effectively run in this country via the Democrats, via

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Speaker 5: our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of childless cat ladies

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Speaker 5: who are miserable at their own lives and the choices

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Speaker 5: that they've made, and so they want to make the

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Speaker 5: rest of the country miserable too.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't apologized for those comments, by the way, but

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Speaker 1: he did recently make vi clarification.

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Speaker 5: I've got nothing against kats. I've got nothing against dogs,

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Speaker 5: and I've got one dog at home and I love them.

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Speaker 3: The substance of what I said, I'm sorry, it's true.

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Speaker 1: That brings us to the big question about JD. Vance.

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Speaker 1: Was he telling the truth about himself back then and

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Speaker 1: now he's pretending to be someone else, or was he

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Speaker 1: pretending to be someone else back then and now we

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Speaker 1: see the real JD. Evans.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's people on both sides that are very

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Speaker 6: clear on what they think about that I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I mean, clearly, political opportunism and changing one's character and

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Speaker 6: even values is always going to be a thing in

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Speaker 6: politics quite whether he's changed them to such an extent

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Speaker 6: in order to be Trump's running mate, and you know,

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Speaker 6: it's difficult to say. I think one thing that is revealing, though,

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Speaker 6: Vance in that election, you know, helping him win during

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Speaker 6: there's no way Jdvans would have been in this position.

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Speaker 1: If Trump loses this election, do you think that will

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Speaker 1: be the end of Jodey Vance's career or can he

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Speaker 1: execute another one?

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Speaker 6: I don't know, but I think one thing is for sure.

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Speaker 6: You mentioned the Republican establishment. I think if jd Vance

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Speaker 6: goes on to become vice president and who knows, maybe

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Speaker 6: even president, it's possible it will forever change the right

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Speaker 6: in the US. So in some ways jd Vance is

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Speaker 6: kind of more consequential than Trump because of some of

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Speaker 6: of the millennial aspect. I think jd Vance is here

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Speaker 6: to stay. And also happy birthday.

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