1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Can I ask a little question is thinking about I 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: want to get into the flop of him was like 3 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: a great players it would have been rodged through it. 4 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: He've got to turn out for some of this roster. 5 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 2: My chief got so bad. 6 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to backstage with Kobra and Maddie John's Coop. 7 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: Well we've got today, pal. 8 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 3: Well, today We've got a very special guest, a maut 9 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 3: Mitchell Pearce from Sydney Rouster's Newcastle Knights and Origin Legend. 10 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 3: We're going to sit down. We're going to preview Game 11 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 3: two of State of Origin playing down in Melbourne. Pretty 12 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 3: big game. But we're also going to delve into his 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 3: Origin career. We're going to ask him some of the 14 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 3: lessons he learned, his experiences when he debuted at eighteen 15 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 3: on the State of Origin arena and then how he 16 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 3: was probably unfairly scapegoaded for a lot of the losses. 17 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: Well, coop with Mitchell, one of the first things was 18 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: going to ask your people, like one of the first 19 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: questions I asked him about when he was picked for 20 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: State of Origin. Honestly, listen to the circumstances when he 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: was picked and you talk about player welfare, I mean, 22 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: looking back on it's hard to believe at that point 23 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: in his career he was selected for such a big game. 24 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, you've known Mitchell for a while. Used to help 25 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 3: him out with foot of You when he was when 26 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 3: he was just a young player. How long you know, 27 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 3: since he was seventeen. 28 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: I loved his dad as a player, be Balmint Tigers fan, 29 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: and I remember once a couple of times coached, not 30 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: an RA level by his dad, but I used to 31 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: go to these coaching camps and his dad would coach me, 32 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: and it was funny how sort of life follows on. 33 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: Then you find yourself coaching Wayne's son, Mitchell. I've always 34 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: really loved Mitch. He's a terrific fella. Okay, let's tell 35 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: the story still, the story in my old car that 36 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: Cooper people never sat in the front seat of my 37 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: car when he was a kid, and there was a reason. 38 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: Well he did once upon a time, and then the 39 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: incident happened and he never hopped in the front seat again. 40 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: Do you remember what it was, Cooper? 41 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 4: Yeah? 42 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 5: I remember, yeah, yeah, So. 43 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: What had happened? I get a call from Mitchell one 44 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: night about ten o'clock and he said, hey, Matdie, what 45 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: are you doing. I'm down at the part of the 46 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: Coloroid not far from your joint to come down and 47 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: have a beer. And I said, nah, no, I've got 48 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: the two boys here, you know, looking after the boys. Mate, 49 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what do you doing? He did, I 50 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: few under his belt and I said, listen, may do 51 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: is a favor. Don't don't hop in a taxi and 52 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: go home. You don't know, you might fall asleep in 53 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: a taxi or whatever. Come home. We'll put you in 54 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: the spare bed. I'll get up in the morning and 55 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: I'll drive you home. And he's like, yeah, mate, good plan. 56 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: So he comes home, comes to our place and about 57 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: two am help him in. He's pretty well leathered, goes 58 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: to bed, wakes up first in the morning and I've 59 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: got to go do the Sunday footage show and Coop, 60 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: you're you're a young tack a, so go, hey, mate, 61 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: do you want to come into the footy show and 62 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: drop Mitchell Pierce home? And you're like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 63 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 5: Believe was an out and out first grader. This like 64 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 5: he was very famous. 65 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: Well he played Origin by that point. Yeah, yeah, So anyway, people, 66 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: we hop in the car and we're starting to drive 67 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: and we're going through past Beacon Hill and there's a 68 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: McDonald's there, and I'm looking at Mitch and he's looking 69 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: a little green around the gills. I said, listen, mate, 70 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: but I'll get your hash brown bake. Then muffin pill 71 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: make you feel. 72 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 5: I think it was a sausage, sausage sausage and. 73 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: It got him a Tracky's toothbrush as well the our 74 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: diet cake. So anyway, he knocks it down. He's going 75 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: pretty good. He's a little bit chirpy. And then as 76 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: we're about to go down into the Eastern Distributed Tunnel, 77 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: it's very quiet and we are literally in the middle 78 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: of the tunnel, can't stop anywhere, and he goes, hey, mate, 79 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: can you pull over. I'm gonna spew. I said, you're 80 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: in the tunnel. We can't do it. He's got oh mate, 81 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: oh mate, I'm not feeling I'm not feeling real good. 82 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: And literally, as we're about to come out of the tunnel, 83 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: he starts vomiting. Mate. It wasn't just vomit, it was 84 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: it was it was it was coming out like, honestly, 85 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: like spurting out like it was just like a like 86 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: like a waterfall exploding out of a mountain. 87 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 3: It was like I don't know if anyone's ever seen 88 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 3: the movie Team America, but it was like he vomited 89 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: so projectile that it was actually bouncing off off the 90 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 3: bonnet of the car and coming back into me in 91 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 3: the back seat, hitting Dad in the chest while he's driving. 92 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 3: There was spew everywhere, and Dad had because like Dad 93 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: had seat warmers, and the little seat warmers had like 94 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: a little there were holes all through the seat for 95 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: the seat to kind of air rate and warm your 96 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 3: seats up, so all the spew particles had gotten in 97 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: between Dad's seat warmers, in. 98 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: The speakers of the stereos. It was people. It was 99 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: not exaggerating. It was everywhere. So we drop him off, 100 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: we go in do the Sunday foot show, and then 101 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,559 Speaker 1: I go, okay, So we drive to one of those 102 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: car cleaning places and I said, I'm not going to 103 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: do so I give it to the guy and he goes, yep, 104 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: made anything you really need done? I said, oh yeah, 105 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: my young fella, he spilt breakfast cereal all over the 106 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: front seat and everywhere, and he goes, oh yeah, mate, 107 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: no problem, no worries I watch him go in there. 108 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: He turns to me and goes, are you taking the piss? 109 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: Throws me the key. No way. So I had to 110 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: go back and try to clean it. And like till 111 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: till the day we sold the car, it's still had 112 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: the the spew in the speakers and the and the 113 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: little pebbles and the seat woman. Yeah, it was. 114 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 5: I remember at one point you just go, let's just 115 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 5: fucking torture. 116 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: Okay, Mitchell's just about here, beautiful, well course here with 117 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: Mitch Pierce, the Great, the Great Mitch Pierce now Perc 118 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: by the way, mate, welcome. Firstly, can I just congratulate 119 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: you and Toddy Carding on your podcast mate, Thanks mate, 120 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: It's fantastic, mate, really really good. 121 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're enjoying it. 122 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 2: Sort of just obviously retired last year. Toddy's been doing 123 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 2: a bit of stuff up there in Queensland and then 124 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 2: had an opportunity with Triple Lamb which we were grateful 125 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: for and yeah, we're getting some good feedback with It's 126 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 2: just enjoyable linking back up with Toddy talking a bit 127 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: of footy. 128 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 4: We're both sort of. 129 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: Made some good changes in life and yeah, just try 130 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: and talk talk natural about footy and it's been good. 131 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: Oh mate, it's it's Mitch is really really good. The 132 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: way he's articulated, it's fantastic. And you move into coaching 133 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: as well, doing a lot of coaching with the Rooster's juniors, 134 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: the young guys coming through. It's amazing, he is. I 135 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,799 Speaker 1: bet you when you start coaching. When you started to coach, 136 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: you actually learn almost more about the game. You start 137 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: to join dots. Have you found that? 138 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, I have. 139 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,239 Speaker 2: It's funny to say that because I wish I knew 140 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: how I saw things now ten years ago. Unfortunately doesn't work, 141 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: came Dowld. He's better if I could have done this 142 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: than that back then. But obviously it's your duty. I've 143 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: obviously did a lot of stuff with you down here 144 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: when I was younger, and I learned a lot of 145 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: mentors and older hearts when I was coming through, and 146 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: that was the sort of stuff that kickstarted my career. 147 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 4: And I still a lot of the stuff I'm trying. 148 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: To teach now is sort of the stuff that I 149 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: learn off yourself and your brother and lots of other mentors. 150 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 5: So what age group is it? 151 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 4: The guys I'm working with kids? 152 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 5: Yeah? 153 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: So it's an academy, So Mitch Orbison started the academy, 154 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 2: so that's him and friendly doing staff. So basically there's 155 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: a real good couple of halves coming through. Toby Rodwell Brett. 156 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: Robbolls, Oh yeah, right a bit. 157 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of the better halves coming through that 158 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: they're looking at him to play first grade in the 159 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: next couple of years. Jake Elliot's playing New south Well 160 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: was nineteen tonight, so it's a good crew to work with. 161 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 5: So they're like that sixteen to eighteen year old. 162 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: Mostly about sort of seventeen eighteen nineteen. 163 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: Do they I wanted to ask you because you are 164 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: you're obviously sober now, but back in the back in 165 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 3: the day renowned party boy. Yes, do they come to 166 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 3: you with stories and they want to get They ask 167 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 3: you questions about sort of your party days. 168 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: They're all very well behaved at the moment, only going 169 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: a couple of days a week. So I'm sure we'll 170 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: break the ice soon. 171 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, but maybe that's not a good thing. Maybe I'll 172 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 4: just keep the ice not broken. 173 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: Match, I think I think totally the opposite is, you know, 174 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: you want someone there who's had the full gamut of experiences, 175 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: you know, and even there's young guys there who might 176 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: be doing it difficult. You know, they're any young guys. 177 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: Some guys, you know, nineteen twenty years of vas all 178 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: the sudden start to have problems with alcohol. You can 179 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: see that sort of stuff coming. Certainly, someone who hasn't 180 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: had those experiences, you know, can't mentor those blakes. So 181 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: I think it's a I think it's a string to 182 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: your bow, you know, like the fact that you've sort 183 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: of walked the hard road at times. I think says 184 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: I think it'll make you a better coach mate. 185 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm enjoying the mentoring side of things. I'm 186 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 2: working on a bit of a program with Toddy as well, 187 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: and an old counselor a friend of mine. She's an 188 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: older lady, but she wants to do some stuff with 189 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: juveniles and schools around resilience, anxieties, all that sort of stuff. 190 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: Obviously done a lot of different work, and you make 191 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: changes and then with maturity you learn different stuff about yourself. 192 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: So I suppose, yeah, it's your duty to pass that 193 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 2: on and it's rewarding as well. 194 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: So Mitchell, we're going to previews state of Origin too. 195 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: But to start with, let's do some bit of insights 196 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: and state of origin, like our experiences, your experiences on 197 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: talk your debut match. This is to go back and 198 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: have a look at this match. It's when you talk 199 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: about player welfare and I mean this, I mean you 200 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: think about this and we'll got Jack in the room here. 201 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: He's great, made of yours and Coopsie. Think about this 202 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: debut PC in two thousand and eight. It's a decider 203 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: in front of eighty thousand people of Sydney. Mitch, you've 204 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: just come into first grade. Basically, you're aiding it's a 205 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: decider the team we've just beaten thirty zero in game two. Seriously, 206 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: what were they thinking? 207 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you. 208 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 5: Was it your first in first grade? 209 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 4: It was my second year first grade. It's funny. 210 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: I was watching some old origins yesterday. This sounds really weird, 211 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: but I've got a bit of idle time at the moment, 212 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: and I feel when you retire and like got to 213 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: come into terms and appreciating your career, it's good to 214 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: watch back on some games and kind of let go 215 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 2: or see different perspectives. Because I'm coaching now, sometimes I'll 216 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: go back and watch some different stuff to pick up 217 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 2: where I was at the same age as the kids 218 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: that I'm going to be working with, So that's sort 219 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: of why I did it. But I watched back the 220 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: twenty eleven series yesterday for some reason. I was just 221 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: going through on YouTube and I enjoy watching old games 222 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: and where I was trying and put myself in that 223 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: headspace I was in when I was playing. And I 224 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 2: actually watched the two thousand and eight one only a 225 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: few weeks ago. Yeah, look at that age going into 226 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: that environment. You know, obviously their harves were lockier, thirst 227 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 2: and Kronker was off the bench, or maybe Keeps wasn't 228 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: even in there then Billy, but the Ultimate Game Managers 229 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: and Legends at my own moments, kid was just this 230 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: raw kid that I played with a lot of instincts, 231 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: and there was parts of that game when I watched 232 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: back I actually played really well, but obviously I didn't 233 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 2: have that polish in the big moments and stuff at 234 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: that age. But going in that in those series at 235 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: that age, under that much pressure, it probably had a 236 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 2: side effect. Not the early couple of series, not really, 237 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: but I think after a few years, the repeat performances 238 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: and then dealing with the rollercoaster. 239 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 4: Of it all. It's a thing you got to manage 240 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 4: for sure, And I look back, it was a roller coaster. 241 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: We'll get onto that, you know, like we'll move on 242 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: to that some of that stuff that happened through those 243 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: middle years before we get to your very last State 244 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: of Origin. But I remember going to the State of 245 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: Origin ninety five, Mitch, and I was a lot more 246 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: experienced to you. But you walk into the sheds and 247 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say there was a sense of dread, 248 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: but it was. It was really intimidating. Now you're you're aiding. Yeah, 249 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: you're going against the great side. You go into camp, 250 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: huge pressure decide. The coach is Craig Bellamy. You must 251 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: have felt intimidated. 252 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was. 253 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: At the same time, I was really confident because I 254 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: was I played with some big, big players at club level, 255 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: so I had Fitzy in the team at club level, Braith, 256 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 2: it was my five eight in that Origin. I was 257 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: playing with Mace Oga, so I had big personalities in 258 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: my club team. 259 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 5: Were they all in the Origin side as well? 260 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: Mace was in there. I'm pretty sure, yeah, Mace was 261 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 2: in there. Braith was in there, Fitty was in there, 262 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 2: so they were so all my senior players at the 263 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: Roosters that I sort of become good friends with in 264 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 2: a short time and looked after me. I had them 265 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 2: in the site, so kind of ease the pressure a 266 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: little bit because I had they had my back, so 267 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 2: that made a bit of a difference. 268 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 4: But yeah, it was Bedsy's last. 269 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: Game in Origin, so going into that and what a 270 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: legend Bedsy was, I was just straight out of school. 271 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 2: We still coming to terms of everything. So honestly, I 272 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: look back at it, I felt like the ball boy. 273 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: Let's well, that's let's think about this too. You feel 274 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: like the boy around all your heroes, and it's so easy, 275 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: you know. It's I've tried to describe it to people 276 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: who go into State of Origin. It is so easy 277 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: in State of Origin, your first camp to get lost 278 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: in the preparation because you've got the bonding nights, you 279 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:43,239 Speaker 1: around people who you at the very least respect immensely. 280 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: You've watched other people they're almost hero status. It's really 281 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: hard to get lost in your preparation. How was that 282 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: camp for you? Did you did you like, let's talk 283 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: about the bonding night where you're trying to impress everyone. 284 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 4: How was that? 285 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was pretty obviously a bit shy, a bit quiet, 286 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: but I also knew my job there was to get 287 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 2: in and bark from the start, so I was always 288 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: conscious of that even as a young half, and I 289 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: speak to the halves now when i'm doing some work 290 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: with them like it's about expressing yourself and even if 291 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: you're not feeling confident, you got to. You got to 292 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: show confidence because it's your job and if you're not 293 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 2: talking and getting in there and running the sets, you're 294 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: not doing your job. So I was always conscious of that. 295 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: Even if I felt anxiety inside, I'd always go out 296 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 2: there and want to I was proud. I wanted to 297 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: get respect off the lads by giving them direction and 298 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: being the voice. So that was never really a massive problem, but. 299 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 4: I think it was. I remember the camp. 300 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 2: I remember my first couple of training sessions. 301 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 4: You don't want to make a mistake. 302 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 2: But I had real good support, like the guys there, 303 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: like Braith was there, so the build up was really good. 304 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 4: And to be honest, when I look back, there was 305 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 4: less pressure. 306 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: In those games than there was when I played a 307 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: few years later, of course, because there wasn't as much 308 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: to lose, like I had all my mates there. It 309 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 2: was like I was full of energy. So I look 310 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: back that the pressure was different at that age as 311 00:13:58,640 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: opposed to what it. 312 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 4: Probably was after repeat losses. 313 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: It was a good performance. I washed back, and you're right, 314 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: it's a good performance. There's little things which experience bring 315 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 1: later on your career. It was a good performance. So 316 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: ide really forward hard against that iconic side. You lose 317 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: sixteen ten, so it was it was a good day. 318 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: Bo What was said about you after the game, Mitch, 319 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: do you remember? 320 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: I don't think I got too much backlash after the 321 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: first game. There's probably a bit of criticism because we 322 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: didn't get the job done. I remember I struggled for 323 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 2: a few weeks going back to Club Footy and Freddie. 324 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: I remember Freddy had a really big chat with me. 325 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: It sprayed me. I got on the drink. 326 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 4: Pretty hard after it. We had to buy and. 327 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: I remember Freddie pulled me in and said, you know, yeah, 328 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: you've done nothing yet. You know, we need you for 329 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: the back end. 330 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: Of the year. 331 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: It was a good father son sort of chat and 332 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: he put me in my place with it, and then 333 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: we ended up finishing the year pretty well, but I 334 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: remember coming out of that Origin series a bit flat. 335 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 4: We're having a really good year. 336 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: We finished, we made second second week of the finals, 337 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 2: we got beat by the Broncos. So we had a 338 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: good season with the roster we had and it was 339 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: a big year, but I remember having a bit of 340 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: a flat few weeks. It's probably what I look at 341 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: Nico at the moment and what he's going through. Yeah, 342 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: he's probably got you know, you go into those camps, 343 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: you know, it's like a deer in headlights. He's trying 344 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: to adapt and then he's dealing with all this criticism 345 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 2: that he probably hasn't been used to. 346 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 3: We talk about ebbs and like the ebbs and flows 347 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 3: of rugby league, you play, you reach a peak and then, 348 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 3: like of your club form, you pick for State of 349 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 3: Origin and you either continue to go up or you 350 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: you know, you get sort of there's escapegoaded for a loss, 351 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: or you have a bad game and then the decline starts. 352 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes Mitchell Beeth is up. There's a residual effect. So 353 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: you'll get there and if you played okay, you know, 354 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: put it this way. The next game you play after 355 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: State of Origin, you feel that comfortable because the pace 356 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: is so much slower. But as Mitch said, then the 357 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: next week and the next week and you start, it 358 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: catches up on your physically. 359 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just dealing with the yah when 360 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: you win the series. We didn't win many, but when 361 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: you win a game of Origin, you come back, as 362 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: Maney just said, you come back to club footy. The 363 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: pace is a lot slower. I used to love playing 364 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 2: two days after in Origin because I always had you 365 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: close to the meand of the match, because you were 366 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: two steps ahead of everyone. You didn't have to prepare much. 367 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: You have macas the night before because your energies you're 368 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 2: in that you've had that ten days of just elite energy, 369 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: so you're going to adrenaline. Yeah, and adrenaline and the 370 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: speed and everything sort of second nature. 371 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 4: So I used to love playing a couple of days 372 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 4: after that. 373 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 3: Funny you say that, because I remember Harry Grant said 374 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 3: the same thing. Two days you're still it's almost like 375 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: your body hasn't realized how sore you are and fatigued 376 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 3: you are, and you get it done. But he had 377 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 3: to play one three or four days after once, and 378 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 3: he said he was so fatigued, like you just felt 379 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 3: like that extra day or two for your body, the 380 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 3: adrenaline to leave your body, and you realize like, oh, 381 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 3: I'm so fatigued after that game. 382 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 4: A few days, a couple of weeks later, you start 383 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 4: to go into a hole. Yeah, rule fatigued. 384 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: We played a test match once in ninety five against 385 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: the Kuwiz in Brisbane on a Friday, and then literally 386 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: after the game we had to almost didn't have to shower. 387 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: We had to get the airport straight away and get 388 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: a plane straight back down to Sydney. We played North 389 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: Sydney the next play Welfare. But we played well and 390 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: we won because she still buzz and you still got 391 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: the adrenaline purer through you can. 392 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: I go back, sorry, just because I wasn't. I was 393 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 3: pretty young when you got selected at eight in how 394 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 3: left field was the decision like in terms of were 395 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 3: there a lot of other halves who could have been 396 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 3: picked or was it a bit of a left field 397 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 3: decision to go with you? 398 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 2: So I think it was a sort of start in 399 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: New South Wales went for about forty halves in fifteen years, 400 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: didn't we But it was the start. I think Noughty 401 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: was the half for memory maybe him or Craig Gower 402 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: for the first game, so I came in the decider. Yeah, 403 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: but I played really well that year, and as they do, 404 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: they get behind sort of the new talent, the media 405 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: sort of pumping me up. 406 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 4: I did have a big year. 407 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 2: I played a really big game, was playing in Newcastle 408 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: and I got bashed around a bit. They sort of 409 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 2: targeted me and I ended up. I think I got 410 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 2: mad at the match up there, and that was just 411 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 2: before the selection, so it was leading into the game. 412 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 4: But I remember that game. It was probably one of 413 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 4: the sort for where I was at at my age. 414 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: I was really skinny and only young, but I remember 415 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: playing It was probably one of the most physical, tough 416 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: games I played. I got bashed a lot, and I 417 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: kept coming back and coming up with some big moments, 418 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: and then I got picked the next day. I think 419 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: either Naughty or Gowi, whoever was in there, either got 420 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: injured or maybe from from the game before. It was 421 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: a bad result, I can't remember, but yeah, that was 422 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 2: sort of. 423 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: Queensland had been very lucky. They've had natural succession all 424 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: the way through. You know, if you go Alphie and 425 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: there's not too I just trying to think who was 426 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: in between alf But I mean, let's let's talk a bit. So, yeah, 427 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: you got Lammy fill in there. But then all of 428 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: a sudden you come into the first and era and 429 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: you got lockier. Then you go Kronk and then you've 430 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: got d C and they've just they've just rolled through 431 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: that way. At that point Coope, New South Wales were desperate. 432 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: It was post Joey and like some whoever half sort 433 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: of popped up and started to go good. It was 434 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: like get him in. Jared Mullen got picked first game 435 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, very similar circumstances and was never 436 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: peaked again. Hugely unfair. Yeah, like because a lot of times, Mitch, 437 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: like we talk about the middle party origin career in 438 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: rugby league havels, they say, aim the result. When you win, 439 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: you get too much praise. When you lose, you get 440 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: too much criticism. And that was the case with you 441 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: so many times to get beat and I'd see games 442 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: and you play well, but because we're in the seven, 443 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: you take the blame. How are you told? Did that 444 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: take on you? But also the family? Yeah, well created. 445 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: Self doubt, you know, And I look back and I 446 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 2: just spoke before about watching a few older games now 447 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: and just reflecting and getting in a different headspace from 448 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: an older head. Yeah, I reckon some of those games. 449 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 2: I was happy with some of my performances, and it wasn't. 450 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 4: Always just down to me. 451 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: But I've always been someone which has probably benefited me 452 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: in some ways as well through my career. I always 453 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: took responsibility genuinely. I didn't just say it. I always 454 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: prided myself that I was wearing the seven and it's 455 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 2: on me and it was my job to own those 456 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: moments and get the energy of the group up. And 457 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 2: when I failed in those moments, it took a heavy 458 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 2: toll on me. The criticism from the external at the start, 459 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 2: I used to probably when I was a kid coming 460 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: through like sixteen seventeen. Obviously with dad playing and all 461 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff, I probably had some insecurity around 462 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 2: around that, and I was always very much you know, 463 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: I want to deliver, and I listened a bit more 464 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 2: to what people said. As I've got a bit older. 465 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 2: The losses from what the media said didn't really affect me. 466 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: It was more the fact that I let I didn't 467 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: win it from my own goals and for the state, 468 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 2: and from what I was out to achieve. I wanted 469 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: to go in there and dominate, and if I didn't, 470 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: and it was more that I let myself down. 471 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 4: And that was. 472 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: Probably the thing that your mental barrier that you're getting 473 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: over each week, more so than the things that they 474 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 2: would have said would have been I didn't even read it. 475 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: To be honest, I didn't care. After two years, I didn't. 476 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 5: You can't actually read. You can't actually read. 477 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 2: I was literate at nineteen, but as soon as I've 478 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: play verse grade, I couldn't read. 479 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: But you have your career is it's pretty amazing because 480 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: we said before about you coaching Umblow and the things 481 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: you've gone through. Another area you can help them with 482 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: with is your playing career straddled to social media. You know, 483 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: most of of your career there wasn't a heavy social 484 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: media and then all of a sudden, halfway through your career, 485 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: social media comes in, which heads another five or six 486 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: layers of criticism or whatever it is. Were there times Mitch, 487 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: where like seriously, being honestly, that you were thinking, when 488 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: they're talking right, who were going to pick it? That 489 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: you're thinking, please don't pick me. Was there ever a 490 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 1: point that we're thinking, Oh no. 491 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: Just because I was a competitor and I don't like 492 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 2: dogging anything. Yeah, I'd never let myself go there. Yeah, 493 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 2: just because I couldn't live with myself if I pulled 494 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 2: out knowing and I should have played like that doesn't sit. 495 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,479 Speaker 4: I couldn't do that. That's just who I am as 496 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 4: a competitor. 497 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: But there's no doubt there was anxiety sometimes after those losses, 498 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 2: especially when at the Roosters to those years, majority of 499 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 2: the time we're playing really good like I was in 500 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 2: some really good teams and form and most of my 501 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: club footy was pretty consistent most of the time, so 502 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 2: I was always things were really happy and glowy at 503 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 2: club level. So there's always that little bit of anxiety 504 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: when you know what was ahead, you know that the 505 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 2: good things that would come out of a wind. But 506 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: then there was always naturally there was that anxiety there 507 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 2: and I did feel that heat for a long time. 508 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: It's probably now that I reflect more on earth how 509 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 2: much that it was affected my moods and everything, Like, 510 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 2: I was never that happy through forty in Origin series. 511 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 4: It should have been the best time. 512 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 2: In your life, and it was part of it, but 513 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: I don't reckon that like it was always that happy. 514 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, I enjoy it. 515 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: I met you. I've been in camps. I've been in 516 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: representative camps with Aussie sides, and that were guys are 517 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: pulled out and I can almost guarantee you they weren't injured. 518 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: They've gone into camp, they've sort of dipped the towel 519 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: in the water. They just haven't liked the vibe of 520 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: it and they've pulled out. It happens. 521 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I could never do that. 522 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 5: No, you haven't got that in you. You haven't. Mate. 523 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 3: Let's let's go to we've hit the dark stuff. Okay, 524 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 3: let's go to the highlight. You get an Origin call back? 525 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 3: Was it two thousand and nineteen? You get the call back? 526 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 3: Obviously you've there's been There was so much criticism on 527 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 3: you early from that middle part your debut and Upstate 528 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 3: of Origin. What was the emotion like when you first 529 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 3: got the call and you found out that you're going 530 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 3: to be making the return to the Origin arena, because 531 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: it was it was essentially the same as your debut. 532 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 3: We come back in for a decider, except your rather 533 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 3: than being two years into your career, you're a decade 534 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 3: in you're an experienced half. 535 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 5: What was that like? 536 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: So, to be honest, I'd sort of closed the door 537 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 2: on Origin at that time. I actually pushed it, pushed 538 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 2: it aside a bit. I was sort of hesitant to 539 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: go back in. I was playing really good at good 540 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 2: Foot at Newcast is probably the best I've played in 541 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: the circumstances of the team. I've had about six men 542 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 2: of the matches in a row. I was in that 543 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 2: sweet spot and there sort of the first game came around, 544 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 2: I was carrying a bit of an injury. 545 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 4: I was really focused on Newcastle. 546 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 2: That that fell through, that opportunity, but kind of in 547 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 2: a weird way, it felt like it was meant to be, 548 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: Like I kept coming back and I just said, there 549 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: was I felt this empowerment sort of inside me by 550 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: coming to that last game, and I just yeah, So 551 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: when I got the call to go into the last game, 552 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 2: Nathan I think went into camp for the first two 553 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 2: days and then got injured and then Freddy called me 554 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 2: and yeah, I was just I couldn't wait to get 555 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 2: in there. I just thought, this is it, It's game on. 556 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: I had fear, I was nervous, but I had this 557 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 2: in a belief the way I was playing, I just 558 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 2: knew that I wasn't going to let this slip. And 559 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: it's funny, you know that game it was. The game 560 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 2: itself was a roller coaster like Origin was through the 561 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: whole career. I remember came in. Freddy had a really 562 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: good half time speech. I remember it was so simple 563 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 2: but direct. We were playing at about seventy percent in 564 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 2: the first half, sort of when you know when you're 565 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: in a game and you know like it's yours, but 566 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,239 Speaker 2: it's yours to lose as well. Yeah, and we had 567 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 2: a couple of errors and we're just give in Queensland 568 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: a sniff when we're so much better a team. At 569 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: that point, Freddie came into half time. He said, if 570 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 2: you keep playing how we're playing, we'll all be depressed 571 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 2: after the game. If you put your heads in we'll 572 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 2: all be happy. Like it sounds so simple, but it's 573 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: all we needed to hear. Everyone jumped up and we 574 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: went out and obviously the game went down to the wire, 575 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 2: but we put it. I think we went up fourteen 576 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 2: sixteen points and then they came back a bit scary 577 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: at the end, and then obviously that try. 578 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: You were integraled on that last try. Yeah, I mean 579 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: when Teddy went across and scored and you were heavily 580 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: involved with that try. It's almost like the gods of 581 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: I say, the boys all the time, not just in rugby, 582 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: believing in life. Eventually you get what we deserve, whether 583 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: it's good or bad. I can one imagine the relief 584 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: that came over you when Teddy scored that last try 585 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: and you're involved in it. 586 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like the thirteen Grand Final. It was 587 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 2: a similar feeling, obviously. Yeah, all that emotion and all 588 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 2: that pain and everything comes out. I remember having a 589 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 2: really good cuddle with Dad after the game, and you know, 590 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 2: and your father to son, it's a different relationship to 591 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: your mother, you know. And when I saw my dad, 592 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 2: Dad's never said to me, mate, you know, he's never 593 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 2: pressure pressured me. But I remember cuddling Dad after that 594 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 2: game and it was just eye contact and it was 595 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: just it was like he was just so proud. And 596 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 2: obviously that for me, that's one of my best moments 597 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 2: of my career. 598 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: I believe me he'd be more relieved than you. 599 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 600 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, as a parent, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I mean, Mitch, 601 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: and you'll get there one day. If you think you're 602 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: nervous when you're going to the play game, when your 603 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: two sons to play, it's a nightmare. 604 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 5: And not just playing, like playing ship as well. 605 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 4: Getting It's probably the worst, isn't that? All the dickheads and. 606 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 5: The fans when. 607 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: I'll never go they play against each other at Mudgie 608 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there just watching the game because usually 609 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: you know when you're in the halves, when you've got 610 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: when you know, particularly when with the boys sort of 611 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: ball playing positions, when when it's time to defend, just 612 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: sort of you know you're watching you it's a bit 613 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: of a break now. But I mean when they're playing 614 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: against each other, it was like, honestly, it was eighty 615 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: minutes of just like I said, the trush at one point, 616 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: can we get this fucking game? And of course it 617 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: went the golden point. It ended up a thirty two 618 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: all draw. 619 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 5: Right, we're happy with that. 620 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: Let's let's let's preview Origin too, and Mitch, let's not 621 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: do this like an interview. We're all in. We're all 622 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: just chat away, fellas. What do you think of the game, 623 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, excuse me, what do we think of the 624 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: team compared to Game one. What's our fairly. 625 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Mitch Mitch Moses coming into No Brain. 626 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: I think I feel for Nico, but I also understand 627 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: we spoke about going into Origin camps. I think to 628 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 2: play well in Origin in your in your first few games, 629 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: you need to have the right structure around you, and 630 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: you need to have a game that suits you. And 631 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 2: it's always going to probably be hard for Nico in 632 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 2: his first couple of games, first keeping up with the intensity, 633 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 2: keeping up with the speed, and then also having different 634 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: players around him that. 635 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 4: He's not used to. Yeah, so I think that could 636 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 4: have maybe effected form. 637 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 5: And I mean, will you Australia, you're playing with twelve man. 638 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: I actually think food situation that I would love to 639 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: sit now Nico get another crack. But in the six yeah, 640 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: I would love to see him play. I think at 641 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: that level, I think he's the second banana. I think 642 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: he's a guy that feeds off the primary ball player. 643 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 3: I think he's you see, Nico's best position is playing 644 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 3: when he when he's running the footag it's his best stuff. 645 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: And to be a running half. Fact, like I think 646 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 3: in the game one he had something like sixteen carries 647 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 3: and you wouldn't think back and think, jeez, Nikko had 648 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 3: sixteen carries. But he's that kind of player. He just 649 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 3: likes getting on the evangeline running with a Nathan Cleary. 650 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 5: He would play so well. 651 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 2: I think with the game situation like to have twelve man, 652 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 2: you've obviously gone in with a game plan. He's a 653 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 2: sort of player that needs systems around him. Doesn't actual 654 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 2: said if he's playing six, he can play off someone 655 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: else who's the strategic sort of leader. I think with 656 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 2: Mitch being out there, he would have had the ability 657 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 2: to maybe adapt. I thought in the second half, especially 658 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 2: or back into the first half, we kept trying to 659 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: play block plays running around him. Yes, we had twelve men. 660 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: You're not going to get around a team in the 661 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: best of times. In Origin with thirteen on thirteen, we 662 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: just kept playing the same players. Whenever we went through Queensland, 663 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 2: I think Nico's best player came back and tried to 664 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 2: hit Spencer on the inside it up. Those type of 665 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 2: players were when we looked most effective. But I think 666 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 2: Nico being more of a feel good play he probably 667 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 2: didn't have the smarts enough in that arena to adapt, 668 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: where maybe Mitch will Mitchell. 669 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: I think, like if I was coaching of that Origin level, 670 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: I think one thing you've got to be acutely aware 671 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: of is that you have got fellas in there who 672 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: have never played together, and that you haven't laid down 673 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: your principles over a long period of time like a 674 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: club level. Like a club level, if I've coached you 675 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: for a long time, you've played in the same system, 676 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: I can undercoach you that week, and I can go 677 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: into you, Mitch and say, hey, listen, Mitch, let's work 678 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: about here. And you leave a bit up to the 679 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: imagination because you know it inside out, you know the map. 680 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: But at origin level, you know, in my opinion, coach 681 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: and a guy like Nika is you want to say, right, Nicko, 682 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: we're looking at these plays and if that breaks down, 683 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: we're going to look to go here now if the 684 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: ball goes and that just keeps you focused all the time. 685 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: There is nothing worse than going to a game with 686 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: new combinations and the coach goes right, our boys going 687 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: to look for a bit of this, but you know 688 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: you bostand to play. Just go out there and do it. 689 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: Everyone goes right, and that puts so much more pressure 690 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: on the halfback, donet it like you want everything. That's 691 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: the strength of Slater is what I can understand. Talking 692 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: to Nate Miles, he said Slater doesn't so much coach 693 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: the team probably, he said, probably eighty percent of his 694 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: coaching is the individual saying right, this is your job, 695 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: this is what I need you to do, which I 696 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,719 Speaker 1: think at REP level is the most important part of coaching. 697 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 5: Yeah. 698 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 3: Well, it's so hard to get in terms of coming 699 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 3: out with a whole team's combination. You've got you have 700 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 3: a week of training, like you don't have the time 701 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 3: to get around to everyone and make sure everybody knows 702 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,479 Speaker 3: exactly what everyone's going to do when they do this 703 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 3: like you do in an NRL season when you have 704 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 3: two months to prepare. 705 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: You need the systems in place for sure, As Maddie 706 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 2: was saying, if you don't, I've played in games before, 707 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 2: especially in my early years, where you're playing with the 708 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: new Harvest combination and they're playing a different start of 709 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 2: what you used to and when the pressure comes on, 710 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: you have an any ball, your foods aren't. 711 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,479 Speaker 4: Getting in the position. It's very hard to get your 712 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 4: game on. 713 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Mitch Coops, Okay, the pool which you had 714 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: to pick from from for game two is Niko, Mitchell, Moses, 715 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: Cody Walker, tore Ad Harvesey, Matt Burton, Jerame, Luay, Luke, Key, 716 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: Moses Lue. Did they get it right? 717 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 4: Louie? I reckon he was. 718 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: You know he loves that run back coming back through 719 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 2: the Rarkiscored obviously set that little little grubber kickup for 720 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 2: for Teddy. I think it was in the first game. 721 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 2: He does it too often to be a coincidence. I 722 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 2: like that style of footy. I think having him and 723 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: Nico there playing both space players and field good players 724 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: didn't work. 725 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: Sort of skimmed across the defense too. 726 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,959 Speaker 2: But the way Mitch has got to in his game now, 727 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 2: I think he can play those short moments and that 728 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 2: long game as well, and we need that. Obviously, Cherry's 729 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: the Cherry's grown into that role and he's the best 730 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: in the game at that now, and we need someone 731 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 2: to counteract that. 732 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have liked I think Louis, Nico, or 733 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 3: Cody Walker both could have played that role. For like 734 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 3: with Moses, they both all three of those guys could 735 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 3: have played five eight. I think Louis probably deserves his Spies. 736 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: He played well in that game, and he was good 737 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: against Newcastle too, which is crucial. I reckon imagine would 738 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: have been betwixt and between little between he and Cody. 739 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: Reports were he sent the medical staff to Cody's house 740 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: before one selections and they ruled that the calf was 741 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: today was too big a risk. So I'd started to 742 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: get a sneaking suspicion that Madge was going to pick Cody, 743 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: particularly if you're going to pick Latrell, they could form 744 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: combination on the left, but he's gone with Jerome and him, 745 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: and the. 746 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 4: Trail would have been Gooday, the wouldn't they It. 747 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: Would have been interesting. Mitche'll ask you this one. Isaiah. 748 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: I've always been in my opinion, I think Isaiah's probably 749 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: the most telligent player in the competition. But evidence, Mitch 750 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: that we just didn't bed down how we wanted to 751 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: play tactically correct or form the proper combinations was I've 752 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: never seen Isaiah play a little bit two sideways. He 753 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: was sort of crabbing a little bit, and in my opinion, 754 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: it was a lot of it was the runners not 755 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: being there for him, because at Penrith everything is just 756 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: so coordinated and synchronized. He just goes up. Everyone's in 757 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: the right slots, whereas watching him against New South Wales, 758 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: guys were either a step or two two deep or 759 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: too white and he found himself just crabbing across a 760 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: little bit. 761 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 4: Question. 762 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: I'll ask you if you're Mitch Moses or Mitch Pish, 763 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: the half back in that site, do you want Isaiah 764 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: starting and you sort of sharing the creatives with him, 765 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: or do you want to coming off the bench and 766 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: you find him rhythmim yourself early. 767 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 4: I want him starting. 768 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 2: I said that before the game because, as you said, 769 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 2: he can control the team and manipulate the defense, get 770 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: all the runners around him from the. 771 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 4: First ay in camp. 772 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: I think coming off the bench, well, Spencer was our 773 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 2: best player off. 774 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 4: The bench, and it was because of his leg speed. 775 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: And when you've got guys coming off the bench for me, 776 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 2: Cam Murray coming off the bench for me with his 777 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 2: leg speed is more effective than a YOI coming off 778 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 2: the bench. And it also, like you said, it affects 779 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 2: our structures. We build all the platforms early in the game. 780 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 2: YOI can manipulate defense, play for players, all this sort 781 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 2: of stuff that coming off the bench, he just turns 782 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 2: into all worker. So I don't really understand he's the 783 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 2: best lock in the game. You understand the decision you. 784 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 3: Think on Wednesday, it could be a bit of a 785 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 3: throwoff and he starts Yo and brings Murray off the bench. 786 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: Could be my concern. 787 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 4: I think. 788 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: I just think YOI and Shake travoivis their roles are 789 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: too similar. I think what it could result in this 790 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: little bit too much sideways ball movement. But I do 791 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 1: know what you mean. It's good to have a bloke 792 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: out there who can share the creative duties and you 793 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: can just say, Mitch, okay, take us to the far post, 794 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: and he'll do that for you. 795 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 2: It'd probably be hard for him too, because it's not 796 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 2: his normal role. As we just spoke about, you go 797 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 2: into origin with the intensity, you might not have the 798 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 2: ball for twenty minutes. He's trying to find his way 799 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: to get into the game, and then all of a sudden, 800 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 2: the game's over. So I think from YOI, if he's 801 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 2: your best player and one of the best players and 802 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,800 Speaker 2: leaders in the game, I don't understand why we wouldn't 803 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 2: start him, let him play his natural game, and I 804 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 2: think Kan Murray would be happy to come off the bench. 805 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 4: He's done that plenty of times. 806 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, and he can play background. 807 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: He's not just a lot. You can like him background. 808 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: You don't know. 809 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 4: Martin but fantastic. 810 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't like Kem Murray in an edge. 811 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: It doesn't give him, It doesn't give him the athletic mismatches. 812 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: He's very good through the middle because he's up against bigger, 813 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: tied forwards when you get him on the edge. The 814 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: other thing, he's a bloke you give the BA all 815 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: too early and he creates his own stuff with his footwork. 816 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: I don't want him at the mercy of a ballplayer, 817 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 1: and I don't want him up against an edgeback rail 818 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: who can match him physically. That's why I like him 819 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: through the middle. Okay, I picked Edwards. I picked in 820 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: game one was it was ruled that Teddy comes in. 821 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: Teddy was good Game one, but I support Edwards coming 822 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: back into the side. What itout you blokes? 823 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? 824 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 5: I think Edwards well, I think he's deserved his spite. 825 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 5: Did you play with Teddy? 826 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 4: I had to play with Teddy not at the roosters 827 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 4: in Origin though. 828 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, what would you have done? 829 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: I said? 830 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 4: Teddy just because of the leadership. 831 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 2: I thought with Nico and the younger halves, I thought 832 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,240 Speaker 2: Teddy I didn't have a leader there in big moments, 833 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 2: but obviously with the twelve men it was hard to 834 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 2: I thought Teddy played well, but he was busy, like 835 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 2: he does under pressure when he's when the game's not 836 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 2: really going well. Teddy just gets a lot of touches 837 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 2: and tries to lead that way, doesn't he It was 838 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 2: hard for him to sort. 839 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,399 Speaker 5: Of Would you have stuck with Teddy to game two? 840 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 4: I think it's a good change. 841 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, Edwards is one of He's won three 842 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 2: comps and his influenced there, and I. 843 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 4: Think I think origin with it. 844 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 2: The way how busy he is, especially those played four 845 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 2: carries and everything like that, I think he could be 846 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 2: close to our best player. 847 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: Talk about Latrell one of the biggest talking points going 848 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: into the game, and he and Crichton give me enormous confidence. 849 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: But Latrell, First of all, Mitch, you play, you play 850 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: with Latrell, You played with Latrell, Jerome Leway, how should 851 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: he use him? Is it just a matter of get 852 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: the ball in his hands early? 853 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 4: I'd love to. 854 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 2: See Latrell coming back through on cross plays. I reckon 855 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 2: watching the game live, there was so much opportunity for 856 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 2: us to use our senners coming back through the ruck. 857 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 2: I reckon that was our best bet. Queensland's, especially that 858 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 2: left edge. They jammed really well and they put a 859 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 2: lot of pressure on us. 860 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 5: They get up really hard. 861 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 2: The old block players weren't They weren't working for us. 862 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 2: Obviously we had twelve men. But I reckon anytime we 863 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 2: came back through the ruck, and I love that player. 864 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 4: I've always loved that play. 865 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 2: Last few years I was playing whenever you use your 866 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 2: centers back through the ruck, if you don't score that play, 867 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 2: it's always a quick play the ball in the next one, 868 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,240 Speaker 2: something comes off the back of it, and it's natural 869 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 2: for Jerome to scheme back there. He likes that more 870 00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 2: so than using his vision out here. 871 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: You know what, particularly like a mitch off, like like 872 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: when it takes a while to unfalt, so you're coming 873 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: from a long fast side, and I often off long sides. 874 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 1: I don't like block formations because it feeds the way 875 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: the defense wants to play, which is squeeze and release 876 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: if you can, if you can from a fast sideline, 877 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 1: or far inside that fast crumb line. If you can 878 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: just go wham wham wham, really quick ball movement, what 879 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: you do you have? Look what tappens on the inside 880 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: of the football. It makes the defense move so fastly 881 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: they become disconnected. Some blakes dropping back into the line early. 882 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: Other blake's cheating, another blake's chasing too hard. And then 883 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: if you turn a bloke a lot la trail back 884 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: on the inside, it's got a staggered line. 885 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree. 886 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 3: What's Latrell Mitchell? What's what's he like in the sheds 887 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 3: before a game? Because you played a lot with him 888 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 3: at the Roosters. 889 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 2: I only played with the Troll his first year, early 890 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 2: couple of years, so that was in sixteen. When I 891 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 2: came back sixteen seventeen, I played with him. Yeah, he's 892 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 2: only young then, so it was obviously just coming through. 893 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 2: But his instincts were unbelievable back then. He was always 894 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 2: about feel and he was playing fullback a bit with 895 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 2: me and sixteen. I got in trouble at the start 896 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 2: of that year, so I played the back end of 897 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 2: the year, so I missed the start of it, but 898 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 2: we came. When I did come back, we played some 899 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 2: really good foot and we worked on heaps little combinations. 900 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 4: He was always scheming around. He's big on moments. 901 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 2: Back then, he was you know, give me a little 902 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 2: kick here, or he loved moments, and I think he 903 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 2: still does throughout his whole career. 904 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 3: He's the kind of player that people say, oh, you know, 905 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 3: he doesn't His knock's always been he doesn't get involved enough, 906 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 3: he doesn't get through enough work. Hell, as a half, 907 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 3: did you kind of get to him to get the 908 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 3: best out of it? When you talk about the moments? 909 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 3: How did you get those moments out of him? 910 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's probably one knock on his game at full 911 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 2: back is his busyness. He's probably not in the game 912 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 2: as much as your all time great fullbacks. Let's talk 913 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 2: about Billy Slater as the best ever, He's probably not 914 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 2: in the moment as much as them. 915 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 4: When he is. 916 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 2: Last couple of weeks, his forms improved because he's in 917 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 2: the vision all the time. 918 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 4: I reckon that's a trigger for him. 919 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 2: He's staying involved and when he does that, the moment's 920 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 2: come off the back of that. 921 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 4: Because he's got the vision, he's got the he's got 922 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 4: the feel. I think I. 923 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 2: Think Latrell just watching him and knowing him a little bit. 924 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 2: You know, he loves the world against him and and 925 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 2: he thrives on that. He sort of keeps talking about 926 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 2: how he hates the media against him. But I think 927 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 2: there's a part of the troll that needs that to 928 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 2: get him going. The Jordan psyche, yeah, and that that 929 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 2: that that sort of side, and there's something about him. 930 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 4: I feel like he's got a point to prove. 931 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 2: He's got that EYI the Tiger at the moment, and 932 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 2: I think it's perfect for us. 933 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: I love that matchup. Well, we'll talk about the other 934 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: matchup on the other side of the field, which is a 935 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: prime time matchup Hamasoen and Stephen Crichton. But I love 936 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: that match up from us Latrell and Latrell and Valjelms. 937 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: And early in the game. One thing we're going to 938 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: get We're going to get a lot of quick play 939 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 1: the balls. Murray with his football call generator quick play 940 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: the ball. Dylan Edwards with him just tic tac toeing 941 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 1: through the middle. We'll get us quick play the balls 942 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: early in the game from Jerome. I'm saying, I'm saying 943 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 1: to Latrell, as soon as we get to we play 944 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: the ball. I'm going to get it. I'm going to 945 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 1: feed Early, I'm going to get Let you have a 946 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,879 Speaker 1: red hot crack at Vowel. You know, that's if he can, 947 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,359 Speaker 1: if he can brush pass or go over the top 948 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 1: of Vowel Early, I think it'll be a tough night 949 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:11,320 Speaker 1: for vow. 950 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 4: And tries off kicks too. 951 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 2: That was the thing for me, Like Lomax in the 952 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 2: airs as good as anyone right and in the air 953 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 2: there was a few frustrating moments we kicked to Lomax 954 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 2: that first game. He scores how many times this year 955 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 2: for the Dragons and it sometimes a depleted teams the 956 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 2: amount of tries he comes up off individual players just 957 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 2: catching kicks, I reckon. The best thing in an origin. 958 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 4: Is just kicked to your big wingers. 959 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, if they're getting ten opportunities in an origin, 960 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,359 Speaker 2: I think there's two tries in it. 961 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, Mitch, with what we've got, Yeah, I 962 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 1: think I think you're definitely right, Mitch. In state of viriage, 963 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: I reckon from a half perspective to a certain extent, 964 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: my advice to Niko would be, again, just do less, 965 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,760 Speaker 1: do less, Just focus more on the conclusion of the sets, 966 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: rather than trying to organize everyone into shape, just let 967 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: him go forward. Once we start to get forward, things 968 00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: will start to happen. 969 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 3: But you're right kick targets though, even now the trail 970 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 3: on the left, but on that right hand side you're 971 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 3: going to have Crichton a Lomax together, and when Homolee 972 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 3: Lakalatu comes on on that right edge, he's a massive 973 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,320 Speaker 3: kick target, like the amount of tries that he scores 974 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 3: for manly. 975 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 5: Off kicks as well. So you're right with just just 976 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 5: put it up there. 977 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 4: It's fifty to fifty opportunity every time, isn't it. It 978 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 4: takes the pressure off. 979 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 2: Like Maddie said, remember you speaking to me when I 980 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 2: was younger about that. 981 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 4: You know that. I think when you're a young half coming. 982 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 2: Through, you're all about play this play, play this play, 983 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 2: and you forget about your last tackle. Yeah, Mitch is 984 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 2: at a point, Mitch Moses at a point now in 985 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 2: his career where he's I think he values the last 986 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 2: play better than that's the best player of the set. 987 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 2: And that's that's huge thing in Origin. With the pressure 988 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 2: and the fatigue, you've got to remember where you want 989 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 2: to put the ball. 990 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: Now, there's only one bloke I've ever soon played the 991 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: game that comes to mind anyway, who regularly gets the 992 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,439 Speaker 1: ball and as he's going to the line has got 993 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 1: no idea what exactly what kick he's going to put in. 994 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: It invariably always finds the right kick. And that's Jally 995 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,879 Speaker 1: Trey Evans. Like I said, I've set him wander down 996 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: one meter short side laugh, chuckles, going what's he doing? 997 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 1: And he just lasts it and goes think and he 998 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: just finds the right kick. Pretty incredible. Other side of 999 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: the field, mate, auto match up Stephen Crichton up against 1000 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: Hamasa mate the Hammer, No doubt at the moment he's 1001 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: the most looseful attack and player in the game. He's unbelievable. 1002 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,359 Speaker 1: But Stephen Crichton is the best defensive center that I've 1003 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,720 Speaker 1: ever seen. It's a great matchup. 1004 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's going to be. It's going to be. 1005 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 3: It's going to be off its head and chatting to 1006 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 3: chatting to a few of the Queenslanders. That was the 1007 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 3: edge that they wanted to attack game one. They wanted 1008 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 3: to go at that side. Obviously there's new combinations, but 1009 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 3: particularly Lomax on the wing as and I've sat in 1010 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 3: video sessions. It's dorm and at mainly when he's the 1011 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,240 Speaker 3: kind of player that really puts his emphasis on attack, 1012 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 3: loves getting a lot of carries, loves his meters high. 1013 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 3: There's players like that at every club. They love stats, 1014 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 3: they enjoy stats. Yeah, and I know that there a 1015 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 3: lot of their stuff was around. He's going to do 1016 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 3: a lot of work in attack and he's going to 1017 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 3: be trying to get his energy back in defense. So 1018 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 3: let's continually attack that side because he's going to be 1019 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 3: making bad decisions. I think that Crichton over there is 1020 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 3: going to be a huge win for him, as is 1021 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 3: in help, But I think they're still going to be 1022 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 3: attacking that side of a lot. 1023 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,320 Speaker 1: Lomax has just got to be present the whole time. 1024 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: He's just he's got to just he's got to be 1025 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: talking to crighton the whole time. He's got to be 1026 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,799 Speaker 1: he's just got to be connected to him the whole time, 1027 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: because you're exactly right. Well, they did last game. They 1028 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 1: noticed that Swel had a tendency to come outside in 1029 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 1: when under pressure, and the Lomax would drop and fade 1030 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: and sit back and try to buy time and Billy. 1031 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: He knew that that little corridor was going to open 1032 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 1: up for Hammers and that the sendoff incident highlighted that. 1033 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: And then that whole time it took to get Crichton 1034 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 1: over from from the left, they exposed it constantly there, 1035 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: so that that's a really big one. But mate Crichton's 1036 00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: got huge presence. The great thing about Mitches a defensive 1037 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: center is that he runs a system out there. You 1038 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,239 Speaker 1: watch him and he's talking, he's getting them up off 1039 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,319 Speaker 1: the line. But he's also got these amazing instincts to 1040 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 1: actually to know, to actually recognize the playmakers' intentions, and 1041 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,400 Speaker 1: he'll break out of the system and just make a decision. 1042 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 1: I don't know any bloke who's made so many big 1043 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: game changing intercepts in massive games like World Cup semifinals, 1044 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 1: Grand Finals. He's a bote if you're a ball player. Defensively, 1045 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: he's a big He's the biggest nightmare and we've. 1046 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 2: Got Latrol there. When he's on, he's similar. Isn't he 1047 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 2: like he can picked the moment he's intimidating. I think 1048 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 2: the thing to defend Queensland is what you were just 1049 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 2: saying with I feel like all the years I've played 1050 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 2: against Cherry and watching him. Cherry is all about and 1051 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 2: you probably can speak for it training with him coops. 1052 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 2: But Cherry is a space player and under pressure, isn't 1053 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 2: he like he reacts so well to the defense if 1054 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,240 Speaker 2: he sees a pocket, he's so so great at finding 1055 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 2: that space. I think what you just said, then we've 1056 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 2: got to be really pick our it's right when we 1057 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 2: want to intimidate and be cautious of not opening up 1058 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 2: too much space. I think if our line is solid 1059 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 2: and we're moving together, it takes Cherry out of the 1060 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,440 Speaker 2: game because he resorts to a kick, or he resorts 1061 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 2: to just dropping blokes off. You know, you start giving 1062 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 2: him a bit of space. And I've heard you speak 1063 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 2: about it with Cherry before that that try assist that 1064 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 2: he had early in the game where he just jump 1065 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,799 Speaker 2: straight at duney half quick play the ball ball. Yeah, yeah, 1066 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 2: he does that better than anyone I've seen nearly. 1067 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 4: That's the history of the game. 1068 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,760 Speaker 2: And we've got to, you know, we've got to restrict 1069 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 2: as many opportunities of quick play the balls against him. 1070 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: We've got to actually try to make him force to 1071 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: fall into the structured system because you know, with Cherry, 1072 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,359 Speaker 1: isn't it. It's it's the prevention is better than the cure, 1073 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 1: and the prevention is don't present him with visual opportunity 1074 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 1: because the moment you're presenting with something is just going 1075 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: to go and then you've got to find the solution 1076 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 1: to sort of to rescue the play defensively. But that's 1077 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,280 Speaker 1: a big one. Like Coops, you've said numerous times before 1078 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,840 Speaker 1: that he'll just he's very difficult to play against, particularly 1079 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: just come out of the Melbourne system, because he'll just 1080 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: go wush and away. He'll go, yeah, well. 1081 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 3: He's he's hard to play with in that sense, Like 1082 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 3: there's times he's not a big talker. No, no, no, 1083 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 3: he's not a big talker because how do you communicate 1084 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 3: what you have no idea what you're going to do. 1085 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 3: He's a bit like Munster, where like Muster would communicate 1086 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,359 Speaker 3: the structure, but like he couldn't community and back where 1087 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 3: I has found it really hard to play with Money 1088 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,880 Speaker 3: because he could never communicate to them what he was 1089 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 3: about to do, so they couldn't get timing off it. 1090 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,800 Speaker 3: Chez was the exact same, Like there would be times 1091 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,560 Speaker 3: I'd miss the only person who knew when to push 1092 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,680 Speaker 3: with Chez was turbo. Tommy just played with him enough 1093 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 3: where he knew what Chess was about to do. He's 1094 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,319 Speaker 3: just got a good instinct with it. But there was 1095 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,800 Speaker 3: times I'd miss a half opportunity to push you with 1096 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,520 Speaker 3: him because you just see there's nothing doing, and then 1097 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 3: he'd just go down a short side, put a little 1098 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 3: banana kick back over and I'd sort of miss that 1099 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 3: job of all your half goes outside, pushed you in the 1100 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,240 Speaker 3: middle and help with him. But he's just on another 1101 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 3: level of like creativity and off the cuff play like 1102 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 3: stuff that you would never even You could sit in 1103 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 3: a video session for an hour and dissect a defensive 1104 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 3: line and go, you know what, let's do this or this, 1105 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 3: and he could just get the footy for two seconds 1106 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 3: and come up with a whole new play off the 1107 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 3: cuff that you would never think of. 1108 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,080 Speaker 4: It's the early kicking, too, isn't it Like he's early kick. 1109 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 4: I think he's nailed that more than anyone. 1110 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,880 Speaker 1: But nothing got Lomax got that second half. He just 1111 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,879 Speaker 1: picked him and when made he's a little bit sleep 1112 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,760 Speaker 1: on the job here and went bang. Now that forty 1113 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,240 Speaker 1: I think Mitch Moses will back himself. 1114 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 2: But I think he will relish that that challenge because 1115 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,759 Speaker 2: Mitch is probably long kicking games better than all of them, 1116 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 2: like the length. 1117 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:31,359 Speaker 4: Of his kick. 1118 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 2: But Cherry's Cherry in big games, especially the back end 1119 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 2: of his career, he swings momentum done. He's very very 1120 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:37,840 Speaker 2: good at it. 1121 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 4: He's almost a. 1122 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,719 Speaker 2: Bit like Cameron Smith in that regard where he can 1123 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,360 Speaker 2: just find the right kick. Where I think Mitch is 1124 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 2: starting to own that part of his game. So I 1125 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,719 Speaker 2: reckon he'll be going. I think Mitch Moses will be 1126 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,000 Speaker 2: going into the game going I need it out smart 1127 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:51,160 Speaker 2: Cherry with my kicking. 1128 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: You three blokes in the room, have you three of 1129 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 1: you played against played against Mitchell Moses? 1130 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, I debut against. 1131 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,919 Speaker 1: You did, certainly played against you you played? You played 1132 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 1: against him a lot because he's okay, we're talking. He's 1133 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,919 Speaker 1: got he's super confident. He's got a healthy arrogance. What's 1134 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 1: he like out on the field. Is he a bit 1135 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,319 Speaker 1: of a is he a bit of a chirper, a 1136 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 1: bit of sledge or anything like that. 1137 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 4: He's always vocal. 1138 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,759 Speaker 2: What I love about Mitches when he first came in 1139 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,400 Speaker 2: because his instincts and speed and nearly as good as 1140 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 2: anyone in the comb, aren't they? 1141 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, I reckon he's just. 1142 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 2: Everything's just calm. And now as he's got older and 1143 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,960 Speaker 2: he's just got more control. But yeah, he has got 1144 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,160 Speaker 2: a healthy arrogance what he said. 1145 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've always I've always found times I've played against 1146 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,240 Speaker 3: him a few times at combat, and I've always found 1147 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,840 Speaker 3: he's very a wingy is not the word, but like 1148 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,480 Speaker 3: very angry towards his own teammates. 1149 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: Have you found that get gypsum? 1150 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, him and got each other. 1151 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,439 Speaker 3: I was sitting at scrums sometimes and they're like they're 1152 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,440 Speaker 3: up and like they're up by six or ten, and 1153 00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,840 Speaker 3: they're going at each other and just like they're in 1154 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 3: to the reraf and like they're real vocal but like 1155 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,239 Speaker 3: not sledging, like just vocal at each other into the ref. 1156 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,080 Speaker 3: And I was like, there's a lot of wingin going. 1157 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 4: On each other. 1158 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 5: But there you go on that they're turning against each other. Boys, 1159 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,759 Speaker 5: they're turned it against each other. Now they ended up 1160 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 5: beating us. 1161 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,800 Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm looking forward to Jake second stint as captain. 1162 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 1: I think, like we said before about coming into State 1163 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,920 Speaker 1: of Origin camp at the very first time can be 1164 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 1: a little bit intimidating, It can be sort of hard 1165 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,360 Speaker 1: to find your bearings. And I think it would be 1166 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,520 Speaker 1: the same with the captaincy. I think going in there 1167 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,879 Speaker 1: Jake were doing going Okay, you know what are they 1168 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,520 Speaker 1: exactly after here? I think just seeing him interviewed this 1169 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,400 Speaker 1: second game, he looks a lot more comfortable. There's people 1170 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:46,200 Speaker 1: out there, some people say that he shouldn't be Captain Color, 1171 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 1: people said he shouldn't be in the team. For me, 1172 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 1: Jake is always just about the first bloke pick because 1173 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, because he just brings that, he brings that 1174 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,960 Speaker 1: that invisible that you know, that that thing that just 1175 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,000 Speaker 1: binds everyone together. 1176 00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,399 Speaker 2: I can understand the argument like having him and Yowi 1177 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 2: they are very similar. But at the same time, yeah, Jake. 1178 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 2: I played with Jake in Origin and he's just one 1179 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,360 Speaker 2: of those players that just a soldier, isn't he you 1180 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 2: know what you're going to get. And he doesn't say 1181 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,400 Speaker 2: a whole lot, but he's you know more keeps obviously 1182 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,719 Speaker 2: playing with him with his speeches and that when I 1183 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:19,920 Speaker 2: play with him, didn't say too. 1184 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 5: Much, but they don't talk. Talked a lot of manly. 1185 00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,640 Speaker 3: He's he was always good for and it's it's the 1186 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,480 Speaker 3: hardest job in the world is when you're defending your 1187 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,600 Speaker 3: own tryline for sets on end. And he's the kind 1188 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,960 Speaker 3: of bloke where you just want you just want to 1189 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,239 Speaker 3: for his sake, for his own mental health, you want 1190 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,960 Speaker 3: to stop as many tries coming over the try line 1191 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,280 Speaker 3: as possible because he gets so when they'd score, he'd go, guys, 1192 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,759 Speaker 3: come on, we just. 1193 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,360 Speaker 5: We have that mentality that man, we have that manly 1194 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 5: mentality where no. 1195 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,239 Speaker 3: One breaks through this fortress, no one breaks and you're like, 1196 00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 3: you feel so disappointed, Like I would feel more disappointed 1197 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 3: for Jake of me letting through a try and I 1198 00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,279 Speaker 3: let through a few then in myself, like he just 1199 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,239 Speaker 3: has that emotion and passion and. 1200 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:08,880 Speaker 1: That's all he's got to bring to New South Wales. 1201 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,600 Speaker 1: He doesn't need to bring anything more than just that. 1202 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,279 Speaker 1: He doesn't have to worry about doing Churchillian speeches before 1203 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: the game, just his presence, just that sort of stuff. 1204 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,279 Speaker 1: Chief was the same, Like if Chief got out there 1205 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,040 Speaker 1: before the game and decided to do this huge speech 1206 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,080 Speaker 1: and everything like it's okay, although he did a couple 1207 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,400 Speaker 1: towards the end Grand Final that you go yep, But 1208 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 1: Sissy's actions actually before the Grand Final once we got 1209 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,560 Speaker 1: there in ninety seven, and this is the story about Chief, 1210 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 1: and I'll just go down a rabbit hole here for secresse. 1211 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:44,759 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. Was in two right Austrava's a 1212 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,920 Speaker 1: great Britain, Chief knocked out an opposite front rower who 1213 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,840 Speaker 1: was a young front row and wing called Ian Lucas, 1214 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,320 Speaker 1: and Lucas in a really bad way knocked out for it, 1215 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,880 Speaker 1: I think an extended period. I Lucas never played again 1216 00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,680 Speaker 1: and that had a massive impact on Chief, like really 1217 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,240 Speaker 1: to him. And I used to see him in games. 1218 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,840 Speaker 1: Chief would go to a certain extent and then not 1219 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,360 Speaker 1: go that next level because originally made he was a 1220 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,399 Speaker 1: mad dog. He was crazy knocking people out, knocking teammates out, 1221 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,759 Speaker 1: trying to knock guys out, and he sort of went 1222 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,680 Speaker 1: into his shirt. Not he's just the opposite front Railers 1223 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,080 Speaker 1: almost pick up on it and take advantage of it. 1224 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,640 Speaker 1: And he used to frustrate the shit out of us. 1225 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,840 Speaker 1: We go con't on Chief here, Abaz were in the 1226 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,319 Speaker 1: shed is the ninety seven Grand Final, pulled everyone in 1227 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,400 Speaker 1: and just goes boys. I know I've been holding a 1228 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,080 Speaker 1: little bit back, but mate, just follow me today. No 1229 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,400 Speaker 1: one gets sent off in a Grand Final. And if 1230 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:38,080 Speaker 1: you watch the first ten minutes, he just oh, he's 1231 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,080 Speaker 1: just cleaning up everybody. I remember Two's just going to 1232 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,120 Speaker 1: the referee, Dave Manson, send him off, get rid of him, 1233 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,960 Speaker 1: and I see he's going to go. But it's what 1234 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,840 Speaker 1: one is. The game they would just they were bashed. 1235 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,359 Speaker 3: While we're on Newcastle, can I ask about a former 1236 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,760 Speaker 3: Newcastle team out of yours Willie Watson? Connor Watson making 1237 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,280 Speaker 3: making his debut for New South Wales. 1238 00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:58,880 Speaker 5: How excited today for you? 1239 00:52:59,080 --> 00:52:59,960 Speaker 4: I was happy for him. 1240 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,239 Speaker 2: We're obviously all good mates with Connor and we don't 1241 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,600 Speaker 2: know what a good bloke he is, but the way 1242 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,919 Speaker 2: he's played, I think he's slowed down in his head 1243 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,759 Speaker 2: a lot the last couple of. 1244 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:09,920 Speaker 4: Years when he's been the Roosters. 1245 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,479 Speaker 2: He's always very fast Connor and everything was one hundred 1246 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,920 Speaker 2: miles an hour to do the old tip on when 1247 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,200 Speaker 2: he probably should have just held the ball. 1248 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,439 Speaker 1: I remember what she had, even Curt Man together anxiety. 1249 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, Connor, he's always been a great player and 1250 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,799 Speaker 1: his energy and I think he's found his role. 1251 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,160 Speaker 4: He's played a lot of five eight full back lock. 1252 00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,359 Speaker 2: But I think the way the Roosters are using him 1253 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,840 Speaker 2: out of dummy half there, he's been very effective and 1254 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 2: I can see him having a big one if we're 1255 00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,759 Speaker 2: on the front foot. He's getting momentum and it's his 1256 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,880 Speaker 2: ability to jump off tackles. He bumps off. He's so 1257 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,840 Speaker 2: strong in you as we know, like bench press wise 1258 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,960 Speaker 2: and chin ups and everything. I've never seen anyone stronger 1259 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,919 Speaker 2: really for his size. He's a little gymnast. I think 1260 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,000 Speaker 2: it reminds you a bit of Craig Wing, doesn't it. 1261 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:51,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1262 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,560 Speaker 5: I like the one two punch that there that he's 1263 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,960 Speaker 5: going to bring. It's very much. It's got that Harry. 1264 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,440 Speaker 3: Grant ben Hunt sort of field, which we've probably missed 1265 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:01,959 Speaker 3: for a while. 1266 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,799 Speaker 1: I say it's really it's pressure on Madge. Imagine he's 1267 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,840 Speaker 1: coach and stuff. They've just got to get the timing right. 1268 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,799 Speaker 1: If they get the timing right, then it could win 1269 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,640 Speaker 1: the Blues the game, because you don't want any more 1270 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,160 Speaker 1: from Connor than twenty twenty five minutes of impact. They've 1271 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,000 Speaker 1: just got to get it right. Have the sense that right, oh, 1272 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,040 Speaker 1: we're starting to get on top here. We're starting to 1273 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,640 Speaker 1: get a line chair of possession, get him on there 1274 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,319 Speaker 1: because you don't want to just jam him on there 1275 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,560 Speaker 1: in desperation. And suddenly you know it's a period in 1276 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,879 Speaker 1: the game where Queensland had got seventy percent possession because 1277 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,560 Speaker 1: it's just it's not going to work and it's going 1278 00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: to be a target. You want him, you want him 1279 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,160 Speaker 1: on the field when you get that sense we're about 1280 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:43,840 Speaker 1: to get some ascendancy. Queensland boys, No Selwyn Cobber are interesting. 1281 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,120 Speaker 1: Billy's come out and said, oh, you know he's been 1282 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 1: playing injured. He's been talked that, you know, his application 1283 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,000 Speaker 1: wasn't right. There's a few different things. I think it's 1284 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:57,040 Speaker 1: probably all of the above. What worries you about Queensland, Well, 1285 00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,239 Speaker 1: let's see what worries me? What worries me? And I 1286 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,680 Speaker 1: don't know. And I've one thing I've learned Billy in 1287 00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,320 Speaker 1: the last two series that everything he says he means. 1288 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,200 Speaker 1: And they ask him about game one and he said, 1289 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,520 Speaker 1: I was really disappointed in aspects of our game. Will 1290 00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,279 Speaker 1: play a lot better in game two, and I thought, fuck, 1291 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:14,160 Speaker 1: I hope he's not right. 1292 00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,600 Speaker 3: The only ship the thing about this side is coached 1293 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,480 Speaker 3: by Billy, obviously, but they're just they are so relentless 1294 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,480 Speaker 3: and they're never gonna They're never going to play a 1295 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:25,720 Speaker 3: bad game and beat themselves. 1296 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,200 Speaker 5: They're always going to play a consistent good game. 1297 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,360 Speaker 3: New South Wales have to come with a more talented 1298 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,480 Speaker 3: team who just play him off the park. I think 1299 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,480 Speaker 3: we've definitely got the side that has talent all across 1300 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:38,520 Speaker 3: it that can beat this side. 1301 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,320 Speaker 5: But just like they're just there's so their back lines 1302 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:43,320 Speaker 5: just got to strike. 1303 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:44,719 Speaker 4: Coming back to right. 1304 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's going to obviously, you know, you can 1305 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,080 Speaker 2: sense that he would have come into the series wanting 1306 00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:54,120 Speaker 2: to dominate. It's his opportunity to sort of make his mark. 1307 00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,160 Speaker 2: He obviously had the five minutes in the first game, 1308 00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,759 Speaker 2: but he's confidence and fearless attitude. I reckon it's a 1309 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,319 Speaker 2: bit scary. It's a bit scary because they did they 1310 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,200 Speaker 2: did the job without him, and I just think with 1311 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,040 Speaker 2: Cherry knowing that he's at the back, it's a bit 1312 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:10,799 Speaker 2: of a scary. 1313 00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,719 Speaker 1: Thing because all those combinations have been together a long 1314 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,360 Speaker 1: time and the very nature of Billy's coaching, not the 1315 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,879 Speaker 1: Madge hasn't. But they know exactly how they're going to play. 1316 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,920 Speaker 1: But everything they're going to do is basically sit down 1317 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,920 Speaker 1: in concrete with us. There's still that little bit of 1318 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,160 Speaker 1: you know, the you know, with this feeling of our way, 1319 00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,160 Speaker 1: you know how we just don't know how Moses and 1320 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,239 Speaker 1: and LOUI going to gel how's Ruce Robs are going 1321 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,560 Speaker 1: to gel with with Mitch. All those little things that 1322 00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,319 Speaker 1: the unknown, that that is concern of mine. I'll tell 1323 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,840 Speaker 1: you what I have enjoyed in the build up this 1324 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,560 Speaker 1: year because to me, I've known Billy a long time 1325 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,239 Speaker 1: and he's always been a really happy go luck with 1326 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:57,879 Speaker 1: Jesus is angry, he's made, he's he's extremely agitated. Human 1327 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,080 Speaker 1: Madge image imagines. You usually fly under the radar. Don't 1328 00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,160 Speaker 1: say too much, you've no ammunition. 1329 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,440 Speaker 2: But the old people in glasshouses, how smart was Billy? 1330 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,719 Speaker 2: They spoke about when he came down from the from 1331 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,120 Speaker 2: the box to the sideline. Yeah, so true that he 1332 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,040 Speaker 2: had that worked out before the game. Someone was saying 1333 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,280 Speaker 2: that he had the plan b he worked out. I 1334 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,720 Speaker 2: don't know if it's true or not. If someone went down, 1335 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,880 Speaker 2: he'd already had the route to go down to the sideline. 1336 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,120 Speaker 4: True saying something. 1337 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,280 Speaker 1: They reckon he lives nothing to chance. Both for two 1338 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,600 Speaker 1: years ago when he hamm'ted the Queensland side. He was 1339 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,280 Speaker 1: nineteenth man, but both for More went away and said, 1340 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,880 Speaker 1: Billy grabbed him, took him in front of a video 1341 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,200 Speaker 1: for forty minutes and was talking about aspects of his 1342 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,520 Speaker 1: game and for More like, you know, he wasn't going 1343 00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,480 Speaker 1: to play, and Billy was almost certain he wasn't going 1344 00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,560 Speaker 1: to play. But for More came out of it and said, 1345 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,720 Speaker 1: I've just learned more in one camp and I've learned 1346 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,320 Speaker 1: in my whole life in rugby league. 1347 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:56,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's he's one of the greatest detailed thinkers I've 1348 00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,920 Speaker 3: seen when he comes to attack and even defenses. 1349 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:00,920 Speaker 5: Well, you're good as well. 1350 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:01,400 Speaker 4: Did you play? 1351 00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,240 Speaker 5: I played in his last year. 1352 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:08,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, but he every year after he retired he'd still 1353 00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,120 Speaker 3: come once a week to training. And I said it 1354 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,160 Speaker 3: before on this podcast. The training session when he would 1355 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,160 Speaker 3: come and grab all the halves and the edges and 1356 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,760 Speaker 3: run through, he'd pick one shape every time he'd come. 1357 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,120 Speaker 3: And so right, guys, we're going to focus on this 1358 00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,640 Speaker 3: shape today. Let's run it as best we can. I've 1359 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,200 Speaker 3: never seen shape run so perfect in our training session ever. 1360 00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,880 Speaker 3: When he wasn't out there, he was just talking us 1361 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,080 Speaker 3: through it and like helping everyone but the detail. And 1362 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,080 Speaker 3: I've heard a story the other day on him talking 1363 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,919 Speaker 3: about why he's angry, but like that he's so big 1364 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,840 Speaker 3: on the psychology and mentality of how players should prepare 1365 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,280 Speaker 3: for a game. And I have no doubt how he's 1366 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,000 Speaker 3: talking in the media now is it's not so much 1367 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,400 Speaker 3: being confrontational with the media. I believe it's he's trying 1368 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,200 Speaker 3: to set a certain mentality and standard for the players, 1369 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:56,680 Speaker 3: and when they see that, he'd be saying the same 1370 00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:02,760 Speaker 3: strategy even when he I think last series they said 1371 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,320 Speaker 3: they said the speech at the start of the game 1372 00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,440 Speaker 3: and he went to get in the elevator to go 1373 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,480 Speaker 3: out to the box, and the elevator malfunctioned. So he 1374 00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,800 Speaker 3: was at the back with a couple of the assistants 1375 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,960 Speaker 3: in there and the elevator kids hitting it, and he 1376 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,480 Speaker 3: was like some eighteen year old kid hitting it, freaking 1377 00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:23,080 Speaker 3: out because he's like obviously, any other NRL coach, Craig Bellamy, 1378 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,880 Speaker 3: anyone else would have started blowing up, going get me 1379 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,480 Speaker 3: up there. I need to watch the start of this game, 1380 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,479 Speaker 3: get me the hell up there, as you would, because 1381 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,640 Speaker 3: you got so much skin in the game. But Billy 1382 00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,959 Speaker 3: the keeper stress and stressing, and then after a minute, 1383 00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,400 Speaker 3: Billy grabbed him and said, hey, it doesn't matter. I've 1384 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,120 Speaker 3: done my job now. Like now it's up to the 1385 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,040 Speaker 3: players out there. It doesn't matter where I see the 1386 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,280 Speaker 3: start or night that is. That's awesome and it's like 1387 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,440 Speaker 3: just the how we thinks about everything, and it's just 1388 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:47,800 Speaker 3: he's an impressive man. 1389 00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:49,840 Speaker 4: Good as a half playing with him, wouldn't it. 1390 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,919 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, Sorry, Remember that there was a Dutch, 1391 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,520 Speaker 1: great Dutch coach called Johann Chricht there reckon he was 1392 00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,720 Speaker 1: when he was a Barcelona He was doing a team meeting. Sorry, 1393 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,840 Speaker 1: he was doing a press conference after the game, and 1394 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,240 Speaker 1: one of the guys at the front he could see, 1395 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,320 Speaker 1: was clicking his tape recorded trying to get a work 1396 01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,080 Speaker 1: you cry city Uka. He said, I just haven't told 1397 01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:09,800 Speaker 1: you guys to throw it here, held it up for 1398 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:14,280 Speaker 1: about ten minutes, took it apart, actually fixed it and 1399 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,680 Speaker 1: throw it back to him. I like that. Do you 1400 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:18,680 Speaker 1: know whether this was Slater? 1401 01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:19,000 Speaker 2: Right? 1402 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,920 Speaker 1: Here's the thing I Mitch and you Blake to know. 1403 01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,720 Speaker 1: It's one thing to have theories on the game, right. 1404 01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:30,160 Speaker 1: Most coaches in the game are theorists. Meaning that they 1405 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,640 Speaker 1: may have played, but they haven't actually played in one 1406 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,480 Speaker 1: of those creative positions. With Slater, he's only he's not 1407 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,560 Speaker 1: only just a theorist. Where he is, I think there's 1408 01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,240 Speaker 1: all work. He's gone out there and he's done it, 1409 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,680 Speaker 1: so he knows that his theories work in practice. And 1410 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,080 Speaker 1: I think that's that's a big thing as far as 1411 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,200 Speaker 1: coaching is concerned, that you've been out there, you've been 1412 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,960 Speaker 1: out there, you've gone to execute those players under pressure 1413 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,360 Speaker 1: and you know they work. That's a that's a massive. 1414 01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,880 Speaker 3: Thing, even just with him trying to get the message across. 1415 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,840 Speaker 3: If he's telling Reese Walsh, this will work, Reese Walsh, 1416 01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,160 Speaker 3: you know there's sometimes there's coaches. Yeah, they say it 1417 01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:07,840 Speaker 3: to you and then you walk away Againyeah, right out. 1418 01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:08,880 Speaker 3: And then you go over to the boys and go, 1419 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,320 Speaker 3: what a fucking idiot he is? You know he's got 1420 01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:13,360 Speaker 3: like that wouldn't work. 1421 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,800 Speaker 1: But I said police boys. Everyone goes, yeah, good one. Yeah, 1422 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,000 Speaker 1: what a waste of fifteen minutes. 1423 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. But with if Billy Slater's telling you something, you 1424 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,120 Speaker 3: would even if you got it wrong a couple of times, 1425 01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,160 Speaker 3: you genuinely believe you wouldn't think it's him that got 1426 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,000 Speaker 3: it wrong. You'd think, oh what am I doing that 1427 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,320 Speaker 3: this move isn't working? And you workout us they trust Yeah, yeah, 1428 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,960 Speaker 3: it's just so much belief. Who wins and why I'm 1429 01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:38,680 Speaker 3: going to go in New South Wales. I think Melbourne. 1430 01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,880 Speaker 3: I I just think they're in. I think we actually 1431 01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,440 Speaker 3: did a good job with twelve for sixty minutes last. 1432 01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:45,040 Speaker 1: Game. 1433 01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,760 Speaker 3: I think, you know, given no more brain fades in 1434 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,520 Speaker 3: the game, I reckon they will win just based on 1435 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,400 Speaker 3: that they have more more to lose. 1436 01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,800 Speaker 2: I think they think they're desperation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I 1437 01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,240 Speaker 2: agree with you, coops. I think the players coming in. 1438 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,760 Speaker 2: I think Mitch Moses will be our best player if 1439 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,919 Speaker 2: we win just his kicking game length of kicking game. 1440 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:04,560 Speaker 2: Then I think the game plan they would have learned 1441 01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,000 Speaker 2: a few lessons of where Queensland a week that we 1442 01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,160 Speaker 2: probably didn't execute, probably in game one. I think Latrella, 1443 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,160 Speaker 2: as I said before, he's got a point to prove. 1444 01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:13,760 Speaker 2: He's got that look in his eye at the moment. 1445 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:16,840 Speaker 2: If we can get him now, I think it's going 1446 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,920 Speaker 2: to come down to two individual moments. Individual talent come 1447 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,840 Speaker 2: up in big moments, which we probably lacked a little 1448 01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,960 Speaker 2: bit last game, and I think Latrell and I think 1449 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,000 Speaker 2: Mitch will own those this game. 1450 01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,440 Speaker 1: I like. I like New South Wales based off Desperation 1451 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,560 Speaker 1: Origin has shown that throughout Horogen history hasn't made a 1452 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,840 Speaker 1: lot of clean sweeps. Just that little bit when you're 1453 01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,600 Speaker 1: one nil up, just that tiny little bit of just 1454 01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,320 Speaker 1: coming off and now you've got a safety safety net 1455 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,240 Speaker 1: compared to the side that has to win, has proven 1456 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,520 Speaker 1: that it's a big factor. The other thing I like 1457 01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,400 Speaker 1: about the makeup of our team, and again I'm talking 1458 01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,640 Speaker 1: here in theory, is it in theory we're going to 1459 01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:57,120 Speaker 1: side that can blast through the middle, highlighted by guys 1460 01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,960 Speaker 1: like Cam Murray and of course Dylan Edwards can drive, 1461 01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,280 Speaker 1: can drill through the middle. But also I think we've 1462 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,360 Speaker 1: got a team that if we want to go wide 1463 01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,040 Speaker 1: and look to play around them, we can do it easily. 1464 01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,280 Speaker 1: Like I would love to see us work to an 1465 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,640 Speaker 1: edge and see Crichton and Latrell swing and play together 1466 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,360 Speaker 1: like traditional Senna's used to. We saw that with Turbo 1467 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,280 Speaker 1: and we saw it Latrell during those winning series and 1468 01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,800 Speaker 1: what that does coming from alongside that just creates mismatches, 1469 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,480 Speaker 1: So little things like that that I think is in 1470 01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,560 Speaker 1: our arsenal we can do and I really I just 1471 01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,000 Speaker 1: like our senate As far as defensively, the big threat's 1472 01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,520 Speaker 1: going to come from Rhys Walsh ripping around on that 1473 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:37,560 Speaker 1: sweet place, and both our senners are great defenders instinctively, 1474 01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,080 Speaker 1: and I think they can snuff him out. Give them 1475 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:40,720 Speaker 1: a tough night. Man of the match boys. 1476 01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,480 Speaker 3: Oh god, I'm going to go. I think I'm with PC. 1477 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,080 Speaker 3: I'm going to go Mitchell Moses. I think he's going 1478 01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:48,760 Speaker 3: to be a huge one. 1479 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,760 Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's a big that's a big story. 1480 01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,760 Speaker 2: Because I think I think Mitchell get Latrell plenty of 1481 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,760 Speaker 2: ball hopefully. As Maddie just said, I think we didn't 1482 01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,800 Speaker 2: use our bring everyone else into the game as much 1483 01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,520 Speaker 2: as we could have in Game one. So if Latrell 1484 01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,520 Speaker 2: can get plenty of ball, I think you can come 1485 01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:04,440 Speaker 2: up with a couple of tries. 1486 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm going I'm going Dylan Edwards in big games, like 1487 01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,880 Speaker 1: in all those Grand Finals he's played, and he could have. 1488 01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,080 Speaker 1: He really could have got Clive Churchill in all of them, 1489 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,880 Speaker 1: and I think what's done him a favor of this 1490 01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,360 Speaker 1: game is Latrell coming into the side all the all 1491 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,160 Speaker 1: the attention has been on Latrell and I think Dylan's 1492 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,800 Speaker 1: just sort of coming to camp, far more low key 1493 01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:31,800 Speaker 1: this time, and I think you'll excel beautiful. Thanks Piercy, 1494 01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:36,280 Speaker 1: thank you again. Congratulations made on you and Toddy the 1495 01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,840 Speaker 1: podcast passed it on to Toddy for us and mate, 1496 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,760 Speaker 1: and good luck with your coaching career mate. Thanks, let's 1497 01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:41,720 Speaker 1: just kicking off underway. 1498 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,120 Speaker 5: Thanks, thank you very much for having me anytime.