WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 10 November

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skyinging Center.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you guys. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to Sunday night. Yes, our old mate Paul Murray is

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<v Speaker 2>living his best life in the US. He'll be back

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<v Speaker 2>with you on Wednesday. Tell you Danika will be in

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<v Speaker 2>the chair to start your new week. Just imagine Paul.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking NASCAR, rodeos, fast food, cigar bars. Maybe I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure he'll kill you him and he gets back. Some

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<v Speaker 2>great guests up tonight, including James Ashby, Pauline Hansen's One

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<v Speaker 2>Nation right hand man. Now he's fresh and contesting the

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<v Speaker 2>election in Queensland in the seat of Keppel. Very tough fight.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll update us on the numbers, but I think he

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<v Speaker 2>had a nine point four swing percentage swing to him,

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<v Speaker 2>grabbed twenty five percent of the vote, smashed the Greens candidate,

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<v Speaker 2>which is always good news, and saw a sixteen percent

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<v Speaker 2>swing against Labor in that seat. All those former labor

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<v Speaker 2>voters obviously swung over to the LMP who won, or

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<v Speaker 2>to James himself. He'll be joined with us as well

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<v Speaker 2>by former Sydney City Labor councilor Linda Scott. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to get her view in particular tonight on an issue

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<v Speaker 2>that really bugs me. This is the quality of local

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<v Speaker 2>councilors and the quality of local government these days. Now

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<v Speaker 2>in Victoria, three recent Victorian council candidates, they were charged

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<v Speaker 2>over those violent demonstrations. You remember the big demos outside

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<v Speaker 2>that weapons expo recently in Melbourne, people punching horses and

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<v Speaker 2>throwing stuff at police. And later the federal oppositions Keith

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<v Speaker 2>Federal join us on what the Trump victory might mean

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<v Speaker 2>for the energy debate, in particular in this country, giving

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<v Speaker 2>given that the returning president's attitudes to renewables, we know

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<v Speaker 2>what they are, we just saw some of them there.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus what advice Keith might give to our old mate,

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<v Speaker 2>Ambassador Kevin Ruddy, what's increasingly, I think looking like an

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<v Speaker 2>impossible task ahead for that Australian ambassador and his boss,

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister Alberanezi, along with Keith Lisa Godard on what

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<v Speaker 2>what you can do when your past comes back to

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<v Speaker 2>haunt you. Now remember anything, and I mean anything that

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<v Speaker 2>you post online lives somewhere for life and Kevin's found

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<v Speaker 2>that out. But a question first up tonight, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to pose for you, what do Kamala Harris, Stephen Miles,

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<v Speaker 2>the ex Queensland Premier, and the Melbourne Lord mayor new

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<v Speaker 2>Melbourne Lord Manor Nicholas Reese all have in common. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Reese is a bit of an odd one out there.

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<v Speaker 2>He just won an election. The other two Harris and Miles,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, were literally thrown out of office with crushing defeats.

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<v Speaker 2>But what do they have in common though, is all

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<v Speaker 2>three could not run a campaign based on their pasttrack

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<v Speaker 2>records of governing at a national, state and local government level,

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<v Speaker 2>because all three were total failures in the job they

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<v Speaker 2>were doing. Now they had to run on something called

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<v Speaker 2>the vibe, whatever that is, and either expensive promises they

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<v Speaker 2>never intended to keep or could afford to keep. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris was probably the worst vice president in American history,

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<v Speaker 2>and boy that saying something. Remember she did not give

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<v Speaker 2>one open media conference for the entire campaign, instead carefully

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<v Speaker 2>choosing US TV network she thought would give her an

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<v Speaker 2>easy run. Not very hard when you look at the

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<v Speaker 2>mainstream US media, by the way, But even then she

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<v Speaker 2>tripped up badly.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you have done something differently than President Baden?

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<v Speaker 1>During the past four years.

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<v Speaker 3>There has done a thing that comes to mind in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of and I've been a part of most of

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<v Speaker 3>the decisions that have had impact.

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<v Speaker 1>She how lucky we was. She didn't win.

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<v Speaker 2>And remember right at the start, when the woman charged

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<v Speaker 2>with border control her on the southern border was forced

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<v Speaker 2>to admit she had never even been there.

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<v Speaker 4>We are going to the border.

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<v Speaker 5>We've been to the border.

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<v Speaker 2>So this whole, this whole, this whole.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing about the border. We've been to the border.

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<v Speaker 3>We've been to the border.

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<v Speaker 2>You haven't been to the border. And I haven't been

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<v Speaker 2>to Europe.

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<v Speaker 6>And I don't understand the point that you're making.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously, and I haven't been to Europe? What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Then she kept using the word wi, which meant someone

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<v Speaker 2>for her office went down to the border even though

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<v Speaker 2>she was in charge, trying to pretend she was the

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<v Speaker 2>previous four years had never happened, was never going to work,

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<v Speaker 2>leading to a Trump thumping that we saw during the week.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it allowed Trump to constantly ask his rallies, do

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<v Speaker 2>you feel better now than you did four years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>Now clearly the answer was a resounding no. It was

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<v Speaker 2>such a dumb thing for her to campaign to do.

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<v Speaker 2>What choice did she really have? The US like Australia

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<v Speaker 2>as we know it was in the middle of a

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<v Speaker 2>cost of living crisis. Add to that the one big

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<v Speaker 2>thing she was in charge of the border that was

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<v Speaker 2>a massive fail, millions of illegals pouring in from Mexico

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<v Speaker 2>from countries all over the world. American saw major cities

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<v Speaker 2>like New York San Francisco swamped, turning neighborhoods into dangerous slums.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Harris also had zero foreign affairs successes, and no

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<v Speaker 2>one had any clue if she even knew where Ukraine

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<v Speaker 2>even was, let alone a position on China. Trump time

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<v Speaker 2>and time again talked about zero wars during his four

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<v Speaker 2>years in the House, in the White House, but she

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't do that. That was largely true. And Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 2>he did nothing to help her. And you get a

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<v Speaker 2>sense there was some little feeling of vindication when she lost.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go to Queensland in miles. He was handed that

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<v Speaker 2>poison chalice when the despised Anastasia Paliche quit post COVID

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<v Speaker 2>and after an almost ten year run of labor governments

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<v Speaker 2>and he had to go to the polls and was

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<v Speaker 2>never really going to win Queenslanders over. They were angry

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<v Speaker 2>over youth crime wave that has been sweeping major cities

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<v Speaker 2>in that state for years. They still blamed labor for

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<v Speaker 2>COVID lockdowns. The pre planning for the Brisbane Olympics was

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<v Speaker 2>and still is a shambles, and Miles, like Harris, had

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<v Speaker 2>this irritating habit of laughing at nothing. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 2>bloke tried hard in the campaign. He probably did a

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<v Speaker 2>bit better than expected, but like Kamela, his past came

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<v Speaker 2>back to haunt him in a contest of much less

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<v Speaker 2>note unless you work or have a good memory of

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<v Speaker 2>the good old days of Melbourne. The recent Lord mayoral

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<v Speaker 2>contest saw former Julia Gillard advisor and Sky News regular,

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<v Speaker 2>he was a regular on Paul Murray Show, and former

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy and Acting Lord met Nicholas Reese. He won now

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<v Speaker 2>During his campaign and after his victory, Reese bobbed up

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<v Speaker 2>on radio and television promising a quote cleaner, greener, safer

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<v Speaker 2>CBD of Melbourne. I mean, I beg your pardon, Nick

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<v Speaker 2>for four and a half years. You're at the top

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<v Speaker 2>or near the top, running the city. If it was

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<v Speaker 2>not safe, and it was dirty, and it is smeared

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<v Speaker 2>with graffiti on almost every hard surface and overrunning parts

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<v Speaker 2>by homeless people, with one unfortunate bloke stabbed to death recently.

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<v Speaker 2>So where were you? And Reese? Of course oversw oversaw

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<v Speaker 2>during COVID, the destruction of easy vehicle access to the city,

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<v Speaker 2>spending millions of dollars installing little used bike lanes that

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<v Speaker 2>are despised that he now says, oh well, I'll have

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<v Speaker 2>a look at dismantling them. Not all of them, but some.

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<v Speaker 2>He also promised some fanciful idea of council paid security

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<v Speaker 2>staff wandering the streets seven days a week, twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>hours a day. If that ever happens, I'd absolutely be staggered.

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<v Speaker 2>And it doesn't say much about the rest of the

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<v Speaker 2>candidates that Reese actually won something that Harris and Miles

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<v Speaker 2>could only dream of. And that brings me to Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister Albanezi and his election next year, maybe as early

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<v Speaker 2>as March. Just what does he campaign on? Because if

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<v Speaker 2>you ask the Trump question, do you feel better off

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<v Speaker 2>after three years of labor? The answer, I think, in

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<v Speaker 2>general would be no pump priming the economy with a

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<v Speaker 2>Ponzi scheme of flooding the nation with migrants means we

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<v Speaker 2>have a housing crisis and a cost of living. Interest

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<v Speaker 2>rates have either gone up or been on hold for

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<v Speaker 2>his entire term. Australians are waking up to the damage

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Bowen's Green Dream will do to regional Australia, carpeting

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<v Speaker 2>rural landscapes with solar factories and wind turbines. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>those three issues will be the issues of the campaign. Economy,

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<v Speaker 2>cost of living, housing and immigration. Add to that what

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<v Speaker 2>Trump win will actually mean in trade sense, and you

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<v Speaker 2>work out why even more urgently he needs to rush

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<v Speaker 2>off to an election. But with what platform? Sixteen billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollars to pay off a student X debt. I reckon

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<v Speaker 2>the people who benefit from that r either labor or

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<v Speaker 2>Green voters. Anyway, big promises on building houses that seem

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<v Speaker 2>to be going nowhere seems to me just like in

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<v Speaker 2>the US the labor campaign might be aimed at the

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<v Speaker 2>slogan at least I'm not Peter Dutton and I won't

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<v Speaker 2>build nuclear power stations. Look, voters are smarter than that,

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<v Speaker 2>and you'd think that Peter Dutton even himself, would admit

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<v Speaker 2>he's not the p if A candidate. Like America, it

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<v Speaker 2>comes down to a choice. In the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>lesser of two evils. So let's bring in our first

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<v Speaker 2>panel now, One Nation Chief of Staff James Asby and

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<v Speaker 2>former labor counselor Linda Scott. Welcome to you both. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>get into that US election, and it's impossible to ignore.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's have a look at Bill Maher, who I reckon

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<v Speaker 2>made a pretty blunt point about why celebrities couldn't get.

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<v Speaker 5>It done for Kamala Harris, and it just made me think,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sure every single member of the Orient Live cast

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<v Speaker 5>was a Horror supporter, but what if one of them wasn't?

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<v Speaker 5>What if one of those cast What if one of

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<v Speaker 5>those cast members was for Trump? Would they have felt

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<v Speaker 5>comfortable saying so? I really don't think so. They would

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<v Speaker 5>have had to keep it to themselves. That's not a

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<v Speaker 5>good place for us to be. You're glass, you're blass,

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<v Speaker 5>and your snobs and people are like that.

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<v Speaker 2>James, let's start with you. What do you put Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>victory down to him? Mean? We learned today that he

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<v Speaker 2>has swept every one of those swing states.

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<v Speaker 7>What I found remarkable about Trump I think people are

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<v Speaker 7>always better their second time around, particularly after he's lost.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I saw a different Trump at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of this campaign.

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<v Speaker 7>When he came out and did his victory speech, he

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<v Speaker 7>was more about everybody else who was standing on that

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<v Speaker 7>stage than himself and I thought that really told me

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<v Speaker 7>we're in for a different four years in this electoral

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<v Speaker 7>term once he takes office. But you know, it goes

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<v Speaker 7>to the heart of the fact that you can have

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<v Speaker 7>all the celebrity endorsements you like Albansi or Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 7>doesn't work. People saw through it, and doesn't matter whether

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<v Speaker 7>you've got Tyler Swift or you've got the some of

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<v Speaker 7>the Canon Brooks or whoever on your side here in Australia,

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<v Speaker 7>it doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>If you woke, you go broke.

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<v Speaker 7>And that's exactly the path that this Labor government has put.

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<v Speaker 7>Not only the country on a trajectory of going broke,

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<v Speaker 7>but every household that lives within this country is feeling

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<v Speaker 7>the pinch under this government. So they've got some major

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<v Speaker 7>changes ahead of them if they're going to remain in

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<v Speaker 7>the game. I know you said that Peter Dutton is

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<v Speaker 7>not the most like guy. I'll tell you what, if

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<v Speaker 7>people had the chance to meet Peter Dutton personally, it'd

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<v Speaker 7>really liked the guy. And I back him one hundred

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<v Speaker 7>percent as being our next prime minister.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not even within his party.

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<v Speaker 7>I just know the man and his character, not as

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<v Speaker 7>close as some others, but I think he would be

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<v Speaker 7>perfect for this country and he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Not all show.

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<v Speaker 7>He doesn't need celebrity endorsements to get elected. What he's

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<v Speaker 7>got is a plan for this country like one nation does,

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<v Speaker 7>and we as a party would be very happy to

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<v Speaker 7>see him elected in the next six months, especially if

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<v Speaker 7>we've got control of the Senate again.

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<v Speaker 2>Lindra, I tend to agree with James assessment of Peter Duttonham.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've met him.

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<v Speaker 2>I've interviewed him in his own electorate for television and

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<v Speaker 2>he's a different personality when you meet him. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, Linda, I've spent too much time in Victoria.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Peter's got the same problem that Tony Abbott

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<v Speaker 2>had in Victoria. It's a very left leaning state, Victoria,

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<v Speaker 2>the most left leaning in the country, and it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be difficult for Peter Dutton. I mean, he can

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<v Speaker 2>win it without winning seats in Victoria, I guess, but

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<v Speaker 2>they really do need some of those seats. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you make of Peter Dutton's comparison to Donald Trump and

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<v Speaker 2>the people trying to paint him as a Trump light.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, look, I too have worked with Peter Dutton as

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<v Speaker 6>the head of the Local Government Association here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, we worked with him, We worked right across

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<v Speaker 6>the Parliament to advocate for local governments. But I do

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<v Speaker 6>think that having come out of his last portfolio as

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<v Speaker 6>Health Minister trying to introduce a co payment for Medicare,

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<v Speaker 6>and now his major policy announcement being about the introduction

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<v Speaker 6>of nuclear power, as you say, in places like Victoria,

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<v Speaker 6>which I know you know so well and other parts

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<v Speaker 6>of Australia, that is going to go down really badly

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<v Speaker 6>and Australians will look at that as a Trump align agenda.

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<v Speaker 6>And we know from a polling coming out recently that

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<v Speaker 6>Australians are concerned about that Trump like really extreme right

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<v Speaker 6>agenda coming and being imported into Australia by people who

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<v Speaker 6>are very, very conservative.

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<v Speaker 2>James, You've just bought a campaign in Kepel and you

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<v Speaker 2>did very well. Congratulations on your effort. Pity you didn't win.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I mean we're talking here about what might

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<v Speaker 2>make up the issues in the next election campaign, and

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to look no further do you than the US.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's the same things. It's cost of living,

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<v Speaker 2>it's immigration, it's energy, they're exactly the same issues. When

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<v Speaker 2>you were door knocking in that seat, what was the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest issue that came up.

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<v Speaker 7>For you, Well, in this area, and I think across

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<v Speaker 7>most of regional Queensland, and I would encourage Peter Dutton

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<v Speaker 7>to have a look at this is our health predicament

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<v Speaker 7>across regional parts. It's too long a waiting list for

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<v Speaker 7>you to get any elective surgery done. But the cost

0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.520
<v Speaker 7>of living is certainly binding most households, and the biggest

0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.200
<v Speaker 7>concern there comes down to the cost of electricity. So

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<v Speaker 7>if Linda and her cohorts within Labor think the answer

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<v Speaker 7>is renewables, well we've already seen that the cost of

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<v Speaker 7>implementing these and the swaths of prime agricultural land they've

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<v Speaker 7>got to be covered in wind turbines or these solar arrays.

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<v Speaker 7>They're just destroying regional communities. It's not happening in your city.

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<v Speaker 7>You don't want them, and you're allowed to say you

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<v Speaker 7>don't want them. But for us here in regional paths,

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<v Speaker 7>we've been told you're getting them whether you like it

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<v Speaker 7>or not, and people have had a gupful of that.

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<v Speaker 7>They're all for rooftop solar on their houses, it'll bring

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<v Speaker 7>down the cost and so forth. But to actually rely

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<v Speaker 7>on a baseload power grid that will stay alive for

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<v Speaker 7>industry and keeping the lights on at home and keeping

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<v Speaker 7>it at a cost that we can all afford. Peter

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<v Speaker 7>Dutton has tapped into the right cord there and insaying

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<v Speaker 7>to people, well, let's have this discussion about nuclear I'm

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<v Speaker 7>willing to nominate the places where I'm prepared to put them.

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<v Speaker 7>Now it's up to you as a community to say

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<v Speaker 7>whether you agree with it or not. Because the path

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<v Speaker 7>we're going down with renewables just will not work. And

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<v Speaker 7>it might power the cities and some of the communities

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<v Speaker 7>for a third of the year, but what about the

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<v Speaker 7>other two thirds of the year. You've got to have

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<v Speaker 7>bayside power consistent. And if we want to maintain the

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<v Speaker 7>industry that we've got in this country for the long

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<v Speaker 7>haul and develop new industries, power is everything and it

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<v Speaker 7>adds to the cost of living. So if we go

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<v Speaker 7>down those two paths, fix our health system and make

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<v Speaker 7>sure that power is stable and reliable and cheap in

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<v Speaker 7>this country.

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<v Speaker 1>You will fix a lot that's going on in Australia right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Lindra, I'm going to give you a job you

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<v Speaker 2>might want or not want. You've just been promoted to

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<v Speaker 2>senior advisor to Anthony alban Easy. You're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>an election sometime in March. You're the one who's going

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<v Speaker 2>to get us over the line. What are you telling

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<v Speaker 2>him about some of the things James just talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, forget health for a moment, because that's largely

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<v Speaker 2>a state issue. But on energy are telling Are you

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<v Speaker 2>telling Anthony alban Easy to continue to say nuclear is

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<v Speaker 2>too expensive, it won't work and we're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>do it, or does he have to soften that message?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, the Prime Minister doesn't need my advice. He's already

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<v Speaker 6>telling or not, which is he's already telling Australian's the truth,

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<v Speaker 6>which is that the land that will be taken up

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<v Speaker 6>by renewable energy projects in Australia across the nation is

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<v Speaker 6>about four percent. It is correct that we need to

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<v Speaker 6>work hard to get those planning provisions in place so

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<v Speaker 6>that local people can see the contribution benefits that these

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<v Speaker 6>projects are leaving in a community and that that is

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<v Speaker 6>a very tangible benefit and I certainly fought for that

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<v Speaker 6>as I know our local governments across Australia, particularly those

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<v Speaker 6>in regional areas, experiencing this energy transition. But the lie

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<v Speaker 6>that nuclear power is going to have an immediate impact

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<v Speaker 6>on people's household energy bills, Australians know that is a lie.

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<v Speaker 6>They know that there is no solution the nuclear And

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<v Speaker 6>here's what else they know, James. They know that in

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<v Speaker 6>those communities that have been named as places that may

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<v Speaker 6>be under a Dutton federal government the subject of having

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<v Speaker 6>a nuclear power plant, they were not consulted. Peter Dutton

0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.439
<v Speaker 6>made those announcements, he had not consulted the mayors of

0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:35.239
<v Speaker 6>those communities. He had not consulted those communities. So this

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<v Speaker 6>coming federal election will be a referendum, particularly in those communities,

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<v Speaker 6>about whether they want nuclear power in their backyard or not.

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<v Speaker 2>James, that will be a really.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those communities, James.

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<v Speaker 2>Four.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those communities is where live and they're happy

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<v Speaker 1>with it.

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<v Speaker 8>Is.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Labour's just wheter than lovehouts the Yeah, just Labour's

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<v Speaker 7>just passed misinformation and disinformation in the Lower House, and

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<v Speaker 7>they're expecting to get up through the Senate.

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<v Speaker 1>Linda would not be able to back up four percent.

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<v Speaker 7>As a fact, And that's just disinformation, that is deliberate

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<v Speaker 7>lies that you're telling the people. No, no, talk about

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<v Speaker 7>no consultation in my community here. We've got a town

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<v Speaker 7>just to the western me here called Bouldercombe that has

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<v Speaker 7>not been consulted on one of the largest battery installations.

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<v Speaker 7>The town is up up in arms over it. They

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<v Speaker 7>don't want it. They've already got one that's already caught

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<v Speaker 7>on fire. Now they want to install one which is

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<v Speaker 7>three times the size. No consultation, they're not even interested

0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.840
<v Speaker 7>in listening to this community. And we don't want to

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<v Speaker 7>see the wind turbines that go beyond Clark Creek.

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<v Speaker 1>We had no consultation on those.

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<v Speaker 7>There's prime agricultural land that's been destroyed as we speak

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<v Speaker 7>with wind with solar installations.

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<v Speaker 1>So again no consultation.

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<v Speaker 7>And we're running an extra ten thousand to thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 7>kilometers of additional transmission power lines to get this power

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<v Speaker 7>back in to where people live. I'm sorry, where's a

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<v Speaker 7>consultation because the cost attached to this as off its head.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Linda, I mean, I'll let you respond, but I

0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.000
<v Speaker 2>mean there's an issue in Victoria as well, where they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to run this massive transmission line out of the

0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.600
<v Speaker 2>southern parts of New South Wales all the way through

0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:25.520
<v Speaker 2>prime agricultural land in Victoria to just north of Ballarat.

0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.080
<v Speaker 2>The farmers along that route saying you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>put it through my property. I'm not going to take it,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Victoria governments pass legislation said well, bad luck

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<v Speaker 2>if you won't agree, we're going to do it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean this. I know these seats are largely held

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<v Speaker 2>by the Nationals or the Liberal Party, and Labor are

0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:45.520
<v Speaker 2>never going to win them anyway, but that's sort of

0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:50.639
<v Speaker 2>discontent within the regional and rural Australia. Anthony Albanezi and

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<v Speaker 2>his ministers have to be very careful not to let

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<v Speaker 2>that take hold. Surely.

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<v Speaker 6>Look, there's no doubt that these projects are complex and

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<v Speaker 6>they're difficult, but nuclear power is decades into the future

0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:07.520
<v Speaker 6>and more complex and more expensive and will cost households

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<v Speaker 6>more money for their energy bills. So renewables are of energy.

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<v Speaker 6>And let's be clear, there's no argument that that building

0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:20.280
<v Speaker 6>process for renewable energy again is challenging, but it will

0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:23.600
<v Speaker 6>only take up four percent of Australia's land mass and

0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.080
<v Speaker 6>there's got to be a planning scheme in place that

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<v Speaker 6>allows for contributions so that communities can.

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<v Speaker 1>See the benefit.

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<v Speaker 6>Let me give you a practical example. The former mayor

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<v Speaker 6>in New South Wales of Parks Ken Keith converted his

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<v Speaker 6>property into a solar farm. He had sheep grazing underneath

0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.159
<v Speaker 6>the solar farm, with enough space between them to allow

0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:48.000
<v Speaker 6>enough sunlight to grow enough crop for grazing. It was

0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:52.359
<v Speaker 6>a great multiple land use, very profitable for its owner

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<v Speaker 6>and enabled renewable energy to come into that part of

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<v Speaker 6>New South Wales, enabled him to keep sheep.

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<v Speaker 1>Would do all sorts.

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<v Speaker 6>Of solutions that our brilliant Australian we argue have put

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<v Speaker 6>in place to facilitate cheap, art greener energy right across Australia.

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<v Speaker 6>Farmers know what they're doing. They're not and I don't

0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:19.040
<v Speaker 6>want to have them criticize them on a show like this. Well,

0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:23.040
<v Speaker 6>we know they're creating great innovative solutions to these kinds

0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:23.680
<v Speaker 6>of challenges.

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<v Speaker 2>How would you like a twenty story wind turbine next

0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:27.119
<v Speaker 2>door to your house?

0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:30.520
<v Speaker 6>We've got all sorts of wind turbines going.

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<v Speaker 2>Offshore in the next to your house.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I don't live next to the ocean. I can't

0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:40.080
<v Speaker 6>afford to do that, Steve, unfortunately. And I don't live

0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.200
<v Speaker 6>next to a paddick. I live in a tiny, little

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<v Speaker 6>inner city terrort.

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<v Speaker 2>So we could debate this all night. Let's move on, James.

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<v Speaker 2>Look your boss Pauline Hanson. She gave a really emotional

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<v Speaker 2>interview to my old made Andrew Bolt happened on Sky

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<v Speaker 2>this week about your legal battle with Senator Marine Feruki

0:21:57.480 --> 0:21:59.960
<v Speaker 2>or Pauline's battle with her. Let's just take an up

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<v Speaker 2>a brief look at this.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, I just feel that the country's changed so

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<v Speaker 8>much in such a way that people can't say what

0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:29.600
<v Speaker 8>they think anymore. The thought police are out there, everyone

0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:33.639
<v Speaker 8>shut down to having an opinion. It's not the country

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<v Speaker 8>that I grew up in.

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<v Speaker 2>James. That's very hard to watch. I've interviewed Pauline, as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, plenty of times, including face to face in

0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:46.080
<v Speaker 2>her house in Queensland. How hard has this been on her?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I've never seen her like that, and she's

0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:51.840
<v Speaker 2>been through death threats, people throwing stuff at her. She's

0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:55.480
<v Speaker 2>been through everything, thrown in jail, never seen her breakdown

0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:55.800
<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 7>Ever, I think what's hard to hand there is that

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<v Speaker 7>a simple tweet that was found offensive and that's the

0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:12.399
<v Speaker 7>definition that's cost Pauline Hanson nine hundred thousand dollars as.

0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:12.760
<v Speaker 1>It currently sits.

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<v Speaker 7>And what was she found guilty of putting up a

0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:21.359
<v Speaker 7>tweet that was merely seen to be offensive by Marine Ferouki.

0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:24.040
<v Speaker 1>And why was it offensive? Well, because she's a woman of.

0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:26.399
<v Speaker 7>Color, and she is a woman, and that's what the

0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:30.120
<v Speaker 7>judge found in this case. And this sets very dangerous

0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:33.320
<v Speaker 7>precedence for every single one of us, Steve. This precedence

0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:36.360
<v Speaker 7>means that to have an opinion that may go against

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:40.040
<v Speaker 7>a minority or somebody of color can land us all

0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:43.359
<v Speaker 7>in the same situation as Pauline Hansen. And nine hundred

0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:45.399
<v Speaker 7>thousand dollars is a lot to swallow, because I know

0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:47.680
<v Speaker 7>it cost us about a bit over three hundred thousand

0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:50.399
<v Speaker 7>dollars in legal fees already. And then of course the

0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.760
<v Speaker 7>judge is ordered that this is the crazy part.

0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:55.040
<v Speaker 1>The judges ordered two things.

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<v Speaker 7>Take the tweet down a big deal, but pay her

0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:03.120
<v Speaker 7>costs other six hundred thousand dollars plus that we anticipate

0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 7>paul En Hanson's on the hook for and so therefore

0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:06.399
<v Speaker 7>we've got to appeal.

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:07.879
<v Speaker 1>I can understand why she's upset.

0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:11.600
<v Speaker 7>I was upset, and it's hard to watch your boss

0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:14.840
<v Speaker 7>go through that, especially when she was self offended herself

0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:17.479
<v Speaker 7>by the tweet the marine Ferouki put out. But it

0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:21.320
<v Speaker 7>just seems as though one's allowed to offend the other isn't.

0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:23.359
<v Speaker 7>And that's why it's so important. And I think the

0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:25.680
<v Speaker 7>people of this country who's got behind Pauland so far

0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:28.320
<v Speaker 7>we're you know, we're about halfway in raising the money

0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:32.920
<v Speaker 7>for that case to appeal it in the federal court,

0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:35.800
<v Speaker 7>and it's already been decided that if we can't even

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:37.760
<v Speaker 7>win that we will go to the High Court because

0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 7>there's a very strong case that Pauline's got here. Eighteen

0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:44.679
<v Speaker 7>C puts every single person who puts out something that

0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:47.560
<v Speaker 7>could be deemed offensive in the firing line for a

0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:48.879
<v Speaker 7>same bill you lose your house over.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look at the high Wire Act.

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<v Speaker 2>We tread when and do programs like this every night

0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:56.400
<v Speaker 2>of the week live like we're doing right now. I mean,

0:24:56.680 --> 0:24:59.159
<v Speaker 2>it's very easy to say something off the top of

0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:02.439
<v Speaker 2>your head that you might sometimes regret, but you'd end

0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:05.400
<v Speaker 2>up with a million dollar with a million dollar bill

0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:07.159
<v Speaker 2>that you've got to pay for someone else. Linda, I

0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:09.400
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about the great socialist state of Victoria.

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 2>They're now going to bring in and I'm seventy years

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:14.639
<v Speaker 2>old next year, so I'm closer to death than I

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:18.199
<v Speaker 2>am to birth. They're going to bring in a death tax.

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:22.480
<v Speaker 2>They're going to hike probate fees. It means people could

0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:25.800
<v Speaker 2>pay thousands of dollars to enact the wills of relatives.

0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Herald Sun's reported that fees for a state's value between

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:31.359
<v Speaker 2>one and two million dollars. And that's anyone, let's be

0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Frank that's got a house will jump from six hundred

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:37.160
<v Speaker 2>and eighty five dollars to two thousand and four hundred.

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:42.119
<v Speaker 2>This is nothing more than a broke state taxing people

0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:45.359
<v Speaker 2>by stealth when they're dead, and the relatives have got

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:47.440
<v Speaker 2>to go through and find that money. One of the

0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:49.679
<v Speaker 2>government ministers, Linda said, oh, well, if you don't have

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 2>that money in the bank, you can put it on

0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:52.440
<v Speaker 2>your credit card.

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:56.600
<v Speaker 6>I mean, seriously, well, look, Steve, I know you're Victorian,

0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 6>so I know I'm sure you're very across is my

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:02.760
<v Speaker 6>understanding of the reforms to the scheme to ensure that

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:07.639
<v Speaker 6>it's fairer and a more progressive system of fees. And

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:12.679
<v Speaker 6>so that for from these reforms, twenty percent approximately of

0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 6>Victorians will have no probate fees to pay, and that

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:21.440
<v Speaker 6>simple estates which otherwise would have been subject to a fee,

0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:24.520
<v Speaker 6>will no longer be subject to a fee. And then

0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:29.320
<v Speaker 6>as the increase in the size of the estate increases,

0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:31.720
<v Speaker 6>there is a slightly higher well.

0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Six hundred fee. Six hundred percent are who got the

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:39.119
<v Speaker 2>state of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars six hundred

0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:40.960
<v Speaker 2>percent hardly a small increase.

0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:45.159
<v Speaker 6>I mean, let's be clear, these are presumably costs that

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:48.679
<v Speaker 6>are incurred by the state government. And so either you

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:52.119
<v Speaker 6>do this taxation structure in a way that is progressive,

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 6>or you have a flat tax, which is pretty unfair.

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:58.320
<v Speaker 6>You're clearly charging the people who can waste afford it

0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:01.720
<v Speaker 6>the same as the people who have in some cases

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 6>multi million dollar fees, or as you say, you have

0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 6>no tax, and then other Victorians pay it in a

0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:12.959
<v Speaker 6>different way through waste levies, or through reduced hospital services,

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:16.240
<v Speaker 6>or through reduced teachers in schools. So all these things

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:18.959
<v Speaker 6>have to be paid for. It's just about how you're allocated.

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 6>And I think having a progressive system of taxation that

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 6>in this case leaves twenty percent of Victorians with a

0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:31.680
<v Speaker 6>small simple estate to pay no fees is a fairer

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 6>system than the kind of system that is currently in place.

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 6>I'm sure the government will listen to consultation and receive

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 6>feedback from communities reasonable to think about how fairly we

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 6>can do these kinds of state government and territory government fees.

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:54.879
<v Speaker 2>James, is there approbate death tax in Queensland? Do you

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:56.920
<v Speaker 2>know you're too young to even have poot?

0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:58.119
<v Speaker 1>Thank goodness?

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 7>Well no, I've been through a few family members that

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:04.199
<v Speaker 7>have died of reason. But look, you know, we had

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:07.000
<v Speaker 7>a fantastic premiere in this state many many years ago

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:09.680
<v Speaker 7>who led the way so job occuped us and got

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:13.200
<v Speaker 7>rid of death duties. And guess what every other state followed,

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.000
<v Speaker 7>and now Victoria wants to go and put it back on.

0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:19.000
<v Speaker 7>These are the problems that these desperate states are returned

0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 7>to and this is, you know, the debt that we've

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 7>got in this country. Don't be surprised if Anthony Alberanezi

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:27.640
<v Speaker 7>thinks to himself if he's reelected next term. Hey, here's

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 7>a quick, short fix. The Victorians rolled over and let

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 7>us do it, so we'll do it nationally.

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:36.480
<v Speaker 6>Don't you have no evidence for that whatsoever. That's just ridiculous.

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.080
<v Speaker 1>No, Hey, he stood for it once before.

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 7>He's been on the record as saying he supported death duties,

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:44.480
<v Speaker 7>So don't hold your breath there.

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 2>No, I wouldn't be too confident now. I don't want

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.520
<v Speaker 2>to whind Linda up too much, James. But The Courier

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Mail in Queensland reports today that Brisbane taxpayers have been

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:59.320
<v Speaker 2>slugged one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars over the

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 2>last two year. Is for welcome to country services. I mean,

0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:06.840
<v Speaker 2>I can understand welcome to country. It's say, you know,

0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 2>a big event like a Grand Final or Baptist or

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 2>a royal tour. But I would have thought for the

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 2>people doing it, it would be an honor to do

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 2>it rather than charging for it.

0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 7>Looks ANZACs when you go to an Anziic Day ceremony,

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 7>that's exactly right. People do that for free, and you'd

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 7>expect that the Indigenous who claim to own and represent

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 7>the land be so proud of it would come along

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 7>and do these things themselves. But I caught up with

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.640
<v Speaker 7>our mayor here locally in Livingstone, and I barred him

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 7>up today and I said, please tell me we aren't

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:42.080
<v Speaker 7>spending these ludicrous amounts of money on welcome to country

0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 7>ceremonies here in Livingston as well. He said now quoting,

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 7>he's going to go and check it out on Monday.

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 7>So I hope they put a stop to it. Look,

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 7>we shouldn't be doing welcome to countries every time they

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 7>open either parliament or just do one ceremony at the

0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 7>start of the parliament perhaps and don't worry about it

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 7>for another three years. And I hope councils do the

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:02.800
<v Speaker 7>same thing. If you've got a four year term, do

0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 7>one at the start. Perhaps this is the way we

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 7>can all come to a happy agreement. Do one at

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 7>the start of the term, and no more so.

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:14.720
<v Speaker 2>It's a blamement, Linda, sensible, don't you reckon, Steve.

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 6>I don't think anyone should be suggesting that Indigenous people

0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 6>should not be paid for the work that they do.

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 6>And when Indigenous Australians come into a welcome to country

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 6>that is worthy of being paid for their time and services.

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:30.200
<v Speaker 6>In fact, when you look at Australia and particularly in

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 6>our capital cities, and you speak to people who want

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 6>to come and visit Australia, one of the biggest things

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:39.120
<v Speaker 6>that came up, for example, in my former council's tourism strategies,

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 6>was that people spoke about wanting to have more opportunities

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 6>for an authentic Indigenous experience. Depending on what kind of

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 6>welcome to country ceremony is put in place, these can

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 6>be really interesting culturally educational opportunities for Australians but also

0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:01.480
<v Speaker 6>visitors to Australia to learn more more about this nation,

0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 6>the history of the land and what has happened here.

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone should wishing.

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 1>They never hear another one in their life.

0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Again, the problem is.

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 6>That's the case.

0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Indeed, the research that we.

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Turn into they turn into political lectures. So the person

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 2>doing it lectures you about what happened in two hundred

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 2>years ago, and you've got to sit there while you're

0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 2>waiting for the game to start, while you're getting a

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 2>lecture about indigenous politics. Anyway, I want a bold prediction, Linda,

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 2>from you week ahead, what's going to happen?

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:33.959
<v Speaker 6>Look, I think there's going to be so much more

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.640
<v Speaker 6>blood letting about the US election, and I've got to

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 6>tell you, I mean, I just want to get on

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 6>to the end.

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:40.200
<v Speaker 5>Of the year.

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:43.800
<v Speaker 6>Like so many other Australians. My bold prediction is that

0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 6>we're going to see more Christmas decorations earlier in shops

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 6>than ever before. I'm already seeing the Christmas decorations, the

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 6>food coming out. It's absolutely amazing. I just think people

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 6>are exhausted from twenty twenty four looking to the end

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 6>of the year, So get ready for Christmas. It's coming.

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 2>James.

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 7>Look, there's one thing I can agree with Lenda on tonight.

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 7>I think it will come down to the trade war

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 7>discussion and how it's going to impact on Australia.

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 1>That'll be the big talk topic.

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 7>Look, do I think Trump's going to destroy our industries

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:19.560
<v Speaker 7>that we export overseas?

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Know they said.

0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:25.200
<v Speaker 7>Prior to the election that he was an unpredictable president,

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 7>and now every journalist wants to predict the future now.

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 7>So it's very much going to be about a trade

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:32.280
<v Speaker 7>war discussion.

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 2>It's going to be very interesting. James, Ashby Linda Scott

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 2>appreciate it very much. Thank you for joining us on

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 2>this Sunday night. We'll back after the break. Welcome back,

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 2>thanks for joining us on this Sunday night. Steep Price

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 2>here for Paul Murray. Paul, as you know, has been

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 2>in the United States. He's still over there enjoying I'm

0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 2>sure Donald Trump's America. I've heard a few rumors about

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 2>what he's been up to. We better leave that to

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:04.240
<v Speaker 2>him to tell you when he gets back. Plenty to

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 2>discuss you though. In Australia, Let's bring in National's MP

0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Keith Pitt and Lisa Goddard from ADNI Media. Welcome to

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:16.040
<v Speaker 2>you both. Great to see you. Paul might be enjoying

0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Trump's reelection, you too, but I'm not sure labor is

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 2>especially enjoying it. When you look at Donald Trump's energy policies,

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 2>they are so different from their reckless fixation on renewables.

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 2>That's not going to stop labor though. Check out what

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Mark Butler said to Andrew Clenel this morning on Sunday Agenda.

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 4>But it won't stop the global investment shift, which is

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 4>very much in the direction of NAT zero. Technology, whether

0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 4>that's in energy or in vehicles. Will continue our case

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 4>for global investment to come to Australia because we have

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 4>some of the best solar resources on the planet, some

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:57.560
<v Speaker 4>of the best wind resources on the planet, and some

0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:01.040
<v Speaker 4>of the best scientists as well. You know, perhaps there's

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 4>a there's an upside for us in terms of the

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 4>investment shifting a bit more away from the US than

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 4>it has under Joe Biden's term.

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Keith, you're up against some election next year. I'm punting

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 2>on March twenty twenty five. Now that has to be

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.360
<v Speaker 2>music to your ears, doesn't it. That's exactly what you

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 2>want their policy to do. Well.

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:25.920
<v Speaker 9>I also heard you earlier guess around this four percent

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 9>not being very much. That's four hundred and twenty six

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.560
<v Speaker 9>million hectares have cleared and partially cleared agg land in

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 9>this country. So at four percent, that's sixteen million hectes

0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:38.759
<v Speaker 9>plus just on agg land alone. The entire Australian sugar

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.520
<v Speaker 9>industry is only three hundred and fifty zero hectes. Right,

0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:45.239
<v Speaker 9>this is madness. And if you look at emissions as

0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.200
<v Speaker 9>a total, so you've now got the four biggest of

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 9>it in countries China, the USA, India and Russia. Sort

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 9>of fifty seven percent of the world's emissions either out

0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:57.240
<v Speaker 9>of Paris will simply not do anything, and China alone

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:01.240
<v Speaker 9>increases their emissions by the equival of Australia's a tire

0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 9>annual contribution. I think I know who's got this wrong,

0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:06.400
<v Speaker 9>and it's Butler and Labor and all of the rest.

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Of them, Lisa. The Trump election should make it a

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 2>little easier, perhaps the alban Easy government to pull back

0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. But with Chris Bowen in charge and

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 2>with Butler there and Anthony Albanesi, it seems they're not

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 2>going to do that. So they're going to roll the

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:27.240
<v Speaker 2>dice on an election campaign where they're going to trash

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 2>nuclear and say there's no point using it in any mix,

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:34.040
<v Speaker 2>and they're going to push renewables. That's a big risk

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:36.399
<v Speaker 2>to take, I think politically, a really big risk.

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 10>Bowen will just continue to double down. You've got Cop

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 10>twenty nine. He's already indicated that's exactly what his plan is.

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 10>They have no plan that we can see that they

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:48.920
<v Speaker 10>intend to walk this back in any way. But the

0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 10>big question is they haven't yet set their twenty thirty

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 10>five targets, so there will now be pressure and question.

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 10>So they are going to forge ahead. What is their target?

0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:58.640
<v Speaker 10>Because all the predictions where they weren't quite going to

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:02.080
<v Speaker 10>hit their twenty thirty current rate. But again, look at

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 10>what when we don't talk about these polls all the time.

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:06.880
<v Speaker 10>It's not climate change that people are concerned about at

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 10>the moment. It's cost of living. And that's what you

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 10>saw in the US election. It was cost of living.

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.320
<v Speaker 10>It was the economy. It wasn't about environment.

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:17.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, Keith, it's cost of living. It's immigration and

0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:21.800
<v Speaker 2>its housing. And you know, the rush to green energy

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 2>is falling way down the ladder of priorities. I mean,

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 2>it seems that what this Albanezi government is fixated on

0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:35.520
<v Speaker 2>is that religious push, but they also want to destroy

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 2>the greens and be seen to be nice and clean

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 2>and green themselves. There's no time for them to change

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:44.799
<v Speaker 2>their attitudes to any of this, is there. I mean,

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Anthony Alberteze couldn't stand up next week and say, oh, well,

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:50.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe I do need to start thinking about

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:51.920
<v Speaker 2>nuclear and that's never going to happen, is it.

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 9>Well, what they should think about is how much people

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:59.360
<v Speaker 9>can afford, and they just can't pay. Labour's policies have

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 9>moved too far, too fast, and at too much cost.

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:05.880
<v Speaker 9>For the Australian people. They simply can't afford what labor's proposing.

0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:08.240
<v Speaker 9>And then you want to take away tens of millions

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 9>of hectares of productive agg land and cover them with

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 9>solar battles and take away their jobs. You want to

0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:16.080
<v Speaker 9>force it into regional areas where they simply don't want them.

0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 9>And the alternative from US is a small footprint, very

0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:23.440
<v Speaker 9>dense energy nuclear reactor that works. I know, a choption

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 9>I'd like to be proposing, and that's the coalitions. But

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:29.560
<v Speaker 9>you're right, Labor will not change. They are ideologically wedded

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:30.720
<v Speaker 9>to this because of the Greens.

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Lisa, It's interesting. I mean, a lot of the Poles

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:37.440
<v Speaker 2>typically got it wrong again in the United States, and

0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 2>I think one of the things you can put that

0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 2>down to is that when people were polled, either face

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:46.320
<v Speaker 2>to face or online or by phone, they weren't prepared

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 2>to say, oh, yes, I'm going to vote for Donald Trump.

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:50.959
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't like him much as a bloke,

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:52.319
<v Speaker 2>but I'm going to vote for him because the other

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:57.319
<v Speaker 2>mob hopeless. If you're poll the Australian people, they don't

0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 2>go to a dinner party and say I love nuclear

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:04.439
<v Speaker 2>but they probably secretly themselves think well, goodness sake, it's

0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 2>got to be part of gas and coal and all

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 2>of the other solutions. And so maybe the nuclear, the

0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 2>embraceive nuclear by the wider public might be a lot

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:18.760
<v Speaker 2>higher than what we're seeing in these poles.

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:23.000
<v Speaker 10>Well, I think one, it's the people who are taking

0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:24.719
<v Speaker 10>the time to answer the polling as well. I don't

0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 10>know about you, but when I get those phone calls,

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:28.560
<v Speaker 10>I hang up. I haven't got the time and I

0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 10>don't want to give them the indication as to what

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:33.239
<v Speaker 10>I'm thinking. So one, I don't know how accurate it

0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 10>is the pool of people that they're polling. And two,

0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 10>I think more and more the Coalition have to be

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:39.840
<v Speaker 10>out there on the front foot like Keith is, like

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:42.480
<v Speaker 10>the rest of the coalition is talking about the benefits

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:45.160
<v Speaker 10>of nuclear and putting it into a cost perspective for

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:47.480
<v Speaker 10>people so they can look at that shock every time

0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 10>they get their next electricity bill or their gas and

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:52.600
<v Speaker 10>look at, well, this is the alternative, and not be

0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:55.440
<v Speaker 10>frightened by it. It's about taking away that fear. And

0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 10>we saw Labor the first time that the Coalition raised this.

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:01.359
<v Speaker 10>The first thing Labor went to the scare campaign, So

0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 10>that's what has to be addressed. It has to be

0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:06.680
<v Speaker 10>addressed both through traditional media, through being out there speaking

0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:09.879
<v Speaker 10>on the news, through doing it through newspapers, but also

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:12.400
<v Speaker 10>through social media, because that's where Trump did really well.

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:15.279
<v Speaker 10>He broadened himself out. It wasn't just about relying on

0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:17.720
<v Speaker 10>traditional media because they didn't give him a fair audience.

0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:20.840
<v Speaker 10>He then took it to things like podcasts, talk to

0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:23.319
<v Speaker 10>the people directly. That's what the Coalition needs to do,

0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:25.239
<v Speaker 10>particularly around Nuclear Keith.

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.880
<v Speaker 2>When you see the victory by Donald Trump and you

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:31.319
<v Speaker 2>compare it to what Peter Dutton's going to have to

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 2>do come March or May whenever the election, is to

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:39.040
<v Speaker 2>sell himself to people who are unsure. Does the victory

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:42.680
<v Speaker 2>by Trump give you some more confidence that Peter Dutton

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:47.360
<v Speaker 2>can sell himself as an alternative PM?

0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 9>Well, this will sound strange. I actually agree with what

0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 9>James Ashby said earlier. If Peter Dutton could meet every

0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:56.600
<v Speaker 9>Australian we'd never be beaten. He's a genuinely good person.

0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:58.760
<v Speaker 9>And you look at what Trump's done in the US.

0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 9>He's won the popular vote, the presidency, the Senate and

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:02.480
<v Speaker 9>the House of Reps.

0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:03.919
<v Speaker 1>It's just extraordinary.

0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:06.080
<v Speaker 9>And we will need to do something like that here

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 9>if we are to defeat the Albanezy government. We've got

0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:10.760
<v Speaker 9>a long way to go. Twenty seats. It's an awful

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:13.360
<v Speaker 9>lot to win. We've got the Teals, we've got multiple

0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 9>billionaires all over the place, You've got lots of surprises

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 9>in terms of candidates, and we're not entirely in the

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:19.000
<v Speaker 9>field yet.

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 1>We've still got a lot of pre selections to do,

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:22.279
<v Speaker 1>included in Queensland.

0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 9>So hoping now the state elections out of the way,

0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 9>we can get on with the federal campaign.

0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:29.760
<v Speaker 2>On those pre selections. In breaking news tonight, the former

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:33.839
<v Speaker 2>New South Wales RSL president James Brown as one pre

0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:36.560
<v Speaker 2>selection for the Liberals in that seat of mckeller. That's

0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:38.800
<v Speaker 2>the old seed of Bromin Bishop. Of course, it's held

0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:44.880
<v Speaker 2>currently by one of the Teals, Sophie Scamps Lisa. These

0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:48.160
<v Speaker 2>till candidates that got up at the last election, and

0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 2>a lot of that was around climate change and energy.

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Do you think that most of them are going to

0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 2>be able to hang on or are they largely going

0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:00.719
<v Speaker 2>to be knocked off again by the Liberal and a

0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:02.920
<v Speaker 2>seat like mckella maybe goes back to the Libs.

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.400
<v Speaker 10>Well, Steve, they've been quite ineffective and how often do

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:10.399
<v Speaker 10>you hear them now going out there and championing climate change.

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:13.080
<v Speaker 10>They realize that it's not the popular number one issue

0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:15.000
<v Speaker 10>of the day anymore, so you don't really hear them

0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 10>speaking about it. I think if you elected a teal,

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:18.920
<v Speaker 10>you'd be looking at them and think of, well, how

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 10>effective have they been as my local member. What I

0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:24.320
<v Speaker 10>like about looking at that pre selectional list was actually

0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:27.480
<v Speaker 10>how many people nominated? And there will be people saying, look,

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:30.000
<v Speaker 10>it should have been a woman. I'm a firm believer

0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:31.920
<v Speaker 10>and it has to be based on merit, and I

0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:34.399
<v Speaker 10>think they've got a strong candidate and I do think

0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:36.799
<v Speaker 10>that last time it was a fight against you as

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:39.560
<v Speaker 10>a protest vote against Morrison, so this time we hopefully

0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 10>will see those Libule voters come back.

0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Keith, how much is this campaign going to be about

0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:50.240
<v Speaker 2>both leaders? I mean almost turning it into a presidential campaign.

0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:52.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we've got a very different system of the

0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:55.960
<v Speaker 2>United States. We don't have that complicated system, but we

0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:59.359
<v Speaker 2>do vote for our local MPs. But it is going

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:01.480
<v Speaker 2>to focus in on the character of these two men.

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Anthony Albanzi won the last election largely by saying, well,

0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, things are going to be better under me.

0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:10.600
<v Speaker 2>He's not going to be able to make that argument

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:11.520
<v Speaker 2>this time because it's not.

0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 3>I hope he does.

0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:18.560
<v Speaker 9>That'll be great for us, because I think every single

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:21.680
<v Speaker 9>Australia knows they are not doing better under the Albanesi government.

0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 9>But if you'd asked me, you know, two terms ago,

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:26.240
<v Speaker 9>if I thought someone could win off a thirty three primary,

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:27.800
<v Speaker 9>I would have said, you know, not on your nelly.

0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:30.279
<v Speaker 9>But it will be a contest around the leadership, but

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:32.920
<v Speaker 9>in the regions in particular, it will be a local

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:36.360
<v Speaker 9>campaign about your local champion. And that's one of the

0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 9>reasons that the coalition has been so successful in the

0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 9>regions now. I think any suggestion that we should change

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 9>to a presidential style campaign that's only about the leaders well,

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.640
<v Speaker 9>that will be fought off with great ferocity by the

0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 9>local MPs. I can tell you.

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Now, including Keith Pitt, Keith and Lisa stick with us.

0:42:52.080 --> 0:43:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Will be back after the break. Welcome back to see

0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:02.440
<v Speaker 2>prussing for Paul Murray. Paul will be back with you

0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:06.000
<v Speaker 2>on Wednesday. Keith Pitt and Lisa Goddard still with us.

0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:11.720
<v Speaker 2>Just before I get onto another subject, Keith, your Queensland mate,

0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Kevin Rudd. Can he survive as ambassador to the US

0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 2>with that result this week?

0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:20.799
<v Speaker 9>Well, I've got a bit of a different view to

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:22.960
<v Speaker 9>some of my colleagues. I think, of course he will

0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:24.839
<v Speaker 9>because the Prime Minister will want to keep him there.

0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:27.120
<v Speaker 9>And I'm of the view that no country or no

0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:29.400
<v Speaker 9>leader of any other country can tell Australia who at

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 9>Sambassas should be. And that's a view I hold pretty firmly.

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:35.040
<v Speaker 9>And I know we're going to go to our tip

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:36.759
<v Speaker 9>of the week later, but I'll give it to you early, mate,

0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:40.279
<v Speaker 9>Kevin run. He'll become our greatest expat golfer. You'll see

0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:42.520
<v Speaker 9>him on the Trump Tour. He'll be at the Trump Invitational,

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 9>He'll have a box of titleists, he'll be out there

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:45.440
<v Speaker 9>going on.

0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:50.080
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't strike me as a golfer. Hockey was not

0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:52.839
<v Speaker 2>a bad player, but not Kevin. I can't see Kevin

0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 2>playing golf. Let's go back to Mark Butler. He was

0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:58.200
<v Speaker 2>on Sky this morning talking me with my mate Andrew Clanell.

0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 2>He was asked about the latest information on former immigration

0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:05.120
<v Speaker 2>detainees who the High Court side of the course can't

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:08.560
<v Speaker 2>now be tracked with ankle monitors or given curfews.

0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Incredible.

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 2>The government has now vowed to detain them, send them

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:14.480
<v Speaker 2>to a foreign country. Here's what Mark but they had

0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:15.280
<v Speaker 2>to say this morning.

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 4>I mean, they shouldn't be here, They're not owed protection.

0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:24.000
<v Speaker 4>They've committed crimes in Australia and were determined to do

0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 4>everything we can to remove them from our country.

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:28.480
<v Speaker 1>But which country would take them?

0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Would it be the US? Would it be Nauru? Who

0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.960
<v Speaker 2>would want people with these sorts of records?

0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:37.439
<v Speaker 4>Well, again, I say that's the matter that Tony Burke

0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:41.560
<v Speaker 4>is working hard on right now. He was prepared for

0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 4>that High Court decision. It's not the decision we wanted.

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:47.880
<v Speaker 4>It's a decision we argued very strongly against in the court.

0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 4>But we knew there was a risk, of course, that

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:53.279
<v Speaker 4>the High Court would find against the government. It's done

0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:55.480
<v Speaker 4>that before, It did it twelve months ago, so we

0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 4>were fully prepared for that scenario and Tony Burke is

0:44:58.760 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 4>already acting on it.

0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:01.120
<v Speaker 2>Lisa.

0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:08.120
<v Speaker 10>He's delusional, delusional about the fact that we are going

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:10.919
<v Speaker 10>to spend money now to pay other countries to take

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:12.880
<v Speaker 10>these people who, yes, we all agree on one thing

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:16.319
<v Speaker 10>there they shouldn't be here. But what's the solution. It's

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:18.799
<v Speaker 10>just a lot of words. There was no real responsible

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:21.520
<v Speaker 10>answer in that at all. They're working hard on it. Well,

0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:23.640
<v Speaker 10>I think they've been supposedly working hard on this now

0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:26.640
<v Speaker 10>for over twelve months. But it doesn't change the number

0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:28.719
<v Speaker 10>of cases in courts. We have to be careful about that.

0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 10>But who is going to take them if that is

0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:34.360
<v Speaker 10>the plan. It's already cost seventy three million dollars to

0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:37.600
<v Speaker 10>the taxpayer to get to this point. So I don't

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:39.960
<v Speaker 10>understand the policy here, Keith.

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:43.560
<v Speaker 2>What is it about labor and illegal migrants and people

0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:46.880
<v Speaker 2>who are criminals in the country. They just don't seem

0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:49.200
<v Speaker 2>to be able to work out what they want to

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:51.920
<v Speaker 2>do well.

0:45:51.920 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 9>They keep picking incompetent ministers. So what we've seen now

0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:58.600
<v Speaker 9>is we've seen hardcore criminals released, some of them put

0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:01.520
<v Speaker 9>back in, some of them released again. The Australian people

0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:04.120
<v Speaker 9>were told that they were safe because they had ankle

0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:06.759
<v Speaker 9>monitoring and all those ankle bracelets and monitoring, and they

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 9>knew where they were. Now they don't. No one knows

0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:11.240
<v Speaker 9>where these individuals are, No one knows.

0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:11.920
<v Speaker 1>What risk they placed.

0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:14.960
<v Speaker 9>They've already actually committed other offenses while they're out.

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:16.920
<v Speaker 1>And this is just a result of the.

0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:20.279
<v Speaker 9>Absolute shambles that his minister Giles is doing. And what

0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:23.520
<v Speaker 9>are the apprentices of Australia the Albanzy labor government. So

0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 9>now I have him as the Minister for Training.

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just incredible. Now, look, I've got a big

0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 2>issue with state governments that go broke. Here's a really

0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:37.240
<v Speaker 2>good example when the states badly run. I'm talking about Victoria,

0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:40.960
<v Speaker 2>where I happen to reside. They're completely busted. They've got

0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:44.840
<v Speaker 2>a massive debt, all of their major builds are over budget.

0:46:45.040 --> 0:46:46.799
<v Speaker 2>But have a look at this Channel nine report that

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:48.960
<v Speaker 2>gives you a great example of what happens when a

0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:52.160
<v Speaker 2>state government goes broke. They can't even fix potholes.

0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:57.960
<v Speaker 3>The data doesn't lie. Three years ago Victoria resurfaced eleven

0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:01.920
<v Speaker 3>and to half million square meters in regional areas, roughly

0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:06.160
<v Speaker 3>the size of five hundred and seventy four mcgs. Last

0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:09.880
<v Speaker 3>financial year we resurfaced roads the size of just twenty

0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 3>one mcgs, which is less than four percent of previous totals.

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Keith makes mind have spent thousands of dollars getting their

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:23.439
<v Speaker 2>suspension fixed. It's just ridiculous. What this mob of let

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:24.920
<v Speaker 2>happen to the roads of Victoria.

0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:29.840
<v Speaker 9>Well, it's kept tire shops busy and suspension shops busy,

0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:33.319
<v Speaker 9>but it's also incredibly dangerous. If you're blowing tires on

0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:34.920
<v Speaker 9>the road, you end up in the bush and in

0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:38.239
<v Speaker 9>the trees. And don't forget the Albanezer government's brought a

0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:40.400
<v Speaker 9>million extra people in in the last eighteen months that

0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:43.680
<v Speaker 9>are also driving on those roads. If you don't maintain them,

0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:46.360
<v Speaker 9>this is what happens. The water gets under them, particularly

0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:49.719
<v Speaker 9>in bad weather. It's incredibly dangerous and I just it's

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<v Speaker 9>a fundamental responsibility of state governments to maintain their roads,

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<v Speaker 9>and clearly they are not.

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa, have you got a bold prediction for the week?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be interested in hearing this. We think we've already

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<v Speaker 2>got Keith's preview, but we'll let him have another go

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<v Speaker 2>on a sec you've got a bold prediction for us?

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<v Speaker 10>I do christ of Phil's government is going, it seems

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<v Speaker 10>line by line through what labor has done up here

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<v Speaker 10>for the past nine years. So I expect we will

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<v Speaker 10>see it more exposed, more headlines saying like five hundred

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<v Speaker 10>million dollar blowout on Olympics, A thirty seven billion dollar

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<v Speaker 10>blowout on the hydra that they can. So that's what

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<v Speaker 10>I expect. We'll come from Queensland this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Queensland really needs to get it tacked together over that

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<v Speaker 2>Olympic stuff. I mean it's just a shambles. Keith, what's

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<v Speaker 2>your prediction?

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<v Speaker 9>Kevin will go all out on the handicap and it

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<v Speaker 9>won't help.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not going to be a goal for mate. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a golfer. Kevin Rudd is not a golfer. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>tell you, Keith, You're normally accurate, but you get in

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<v Speaker 2>all good on your gang. Lisa and Keith, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>very much, appreciate your time coming up after me. The

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<v Speaker 2>Royal Reports on tonight and Danika will be in this

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<v Speaker 2>chair tomorrow night.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah,