Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center.
Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you guys. We're going
Speaker 2: to Sunday night. Yes, our old mate Paul Murray is
Speaker 2: living his best life in the US. He'll be back
Speaker 2: with you on Wednesday. Tell you Danika will be in
Speaker 2: the chair to start your new week. Just imagine Paul.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking NASCAR, rodeos, fast food, cigar bars. Maybe I'm
Speaker 2: sure he'll kill you him and he gets back. Some
Speaker 2: great guests up tonight, including James Ashby, Pauline Hansen's One
Speaker 2: Nation right hand man. Now he's fresh and contesting the
Speaker 2: election in Queensland in the seat of Keppel. Very tough fight.
Speaker 2: He'll update us on the numbers, but I think he
Speaker 2: had a nine point four swing percentage swing to him,
Speaker 2: grabbed twenty five percent of the vote, smashed the Greens candidate,
Speaker 2: which is always good news, and saw a sixteen percent
Speaker 2: swing against Labor in that seat. All those former labor
Speaker 2: voters obviously swung over to the LMP who won, or
Speaker 2: to James himself. He'll be joined with us as well
Speaker 2: by former Sydney City Labor councilor Linda Scott. I want
Speaker 2: to get her view in particular tonight on an issue
Speaker 2: that really bugs me. This is the quality of local
Speaker 2: councilors and the quality of local government these days. Now
Speaker 2: in Victoria, three recent Victorian council candidates, they were charged
Speaker 2: over those violent demonstrations. You remember the big demos outside
Speaker 2: that weapons expo recently in Melbourne, people punching horses and
Speaker 2: throwing stuff at police. And later the federal oppositions Keith
Speaker 2: Federal join us on what the Trump victory might mean
Speaker 2: for the energy debate, in particular in this country, giving
Speaker 2: given that the returning president's attitudes to renewables, we know
Speaker 2: what they are, we just saw some of them there.
Speaker 2: Plus what advice Keith might give to our old mate,
Speaker 2: Ambassador Kevin Ruddy, what's increasingly, I think looking like an
Speaker 2: impossible task ahead for that Australian ambassador and his boss,
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Alberanezi, along with Keith Lisa Godard on what
Speaker 2: what you can do when your past comes back to
Speaker 2: haunt you. Now remember anything, and I mean anything that
Speaker 2: you post online lives somewhere for life and Kevin's found
Speaker 2: that out. But a question first up tonight, I want
Speaker 2: to pose for you, what do Kamala Harris, Stephen Miles,
Speaker 2: the ex Queensland Premier, and the Melbourne Lord mayor new
Speaker 2: Melbourne Lord Manor Nicholas Reese all have in common. Now,
Speaker 2: Reese is a bit of an odd one out there.
Speaker 2: He just won an election. The other two Harris and Miles,
Speaker 2: of course, were literally thrown out of office with crushing defeats.
Speaker 2: But what do they have in common though, is all
Speaker 2: three could not run a campaign based on their pasttrack
Speaker 2: records of governing at a national, state and local government level,
Speaker 2: because all three were total failures in the job they
Speaker 2: were doing. Now they had to run on something called
Speaker 2: the vibe, whatever that is, and either expensive promises they
Speaker 2: never intended to keep or could afford to keep. Now,
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris was probably the worst vice president in American history,
Speaker 2: and boy that saying something. Remember she did not give
Speaker 2: one open media conference for the entire campaign, instead carefully
Speaker 2: choosing US TV network she thought would give her an
Speaker 2: easy run. Not very hard when you look at the
Speaker 2: mainstream US media, by the way, But even then she
Speaker 2: tripped up badly.
Speaker 3: Would you have done something differently than President Baden?
Speaker 1: During the past four years.
Speaker 3: There has done a thing that comes to mind in
Speaker 3: terms of and I've been a part of most of
Speaker 3: the decisions that have had impact.
Speaker 1: She how lucky we was. She didn't win.
Speaker 2: And remember right at the start, when the woman charged
Speaker 2: with border control her on the southern border was forced
Speaker 2: to admit she had never even been there.
Speaker 4: We are going to the border.
Speaker 5: We've been to the border.
Speaker 2: So this whole, this whole, this whole.
Speaker 1: Thing about the border. We've been to the border.
Speaker 3: We've been to the border.
Speaker 2: You haven't been to the border. And I haven't been
Speaker 2: to Europe.
Speaker 6: And I don't understand the point that you're making.
Speaker 2: Seriously, and I haven't been to Europe? What does that mean?
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: Then she kept using the word wi, which meant someone
Speaker 2: for her office went down to the border even though
Speaker 2: she was in charge, trying to pretend she was the
Speaker 2: previous four years had never happened, was never going to work,
Speaker 2: leading to a Trump thumping that we saw during the week.
Speaker 2: Now it allowed Trump to constantly ask his rallies, do
Speaker 2: you feel better now than you did four years ago?
Speaker 2: Now clearly the answer was a resounding no. It was
Speaker 2: such a dumb thing for her to campaign to do.
Speaker 2: What choice did she really have? The US like Australia
Speaker 2: as we know it was in the middle of a
Speaker 2: cost of living crisis. Add to that the one big
Speaker 2: thing she was in charge of the border that was
Speaker 2: a massive fail, millions of illegals pouring in from Mexico
Speaker 2: from countries all over the world. American saw major cities
Speaker 2: like New York San Francisco swamped, turning neighborhoods into dangerous slums.
Speaker 2: Now Harris also had zero foreign affairs successes, and no
Speaker 2: one had any clue if she even knew where Ukraine
Speaker 2: even was, let alone a position on China. Trump time
Speaker 2: and time again talked about zero wars during his four
Speaker 2: years in the House, in the White House, but she
Speaker 2: couldn't do that. That was largely true. And Joe Biden,
Speaker 2: he did nothing to help her. And you get a
Speaker 2: sense there was some little feeling of vindication when she lost.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Queensland in miles. He was handed that
Speaker 2: poison chalice when the despised Anastasia Paliche quit post COVID
Speaker 2: and after an almost ten year run of labor governments
Speaker 2: and he had to go to the polls and was
Speaker 2: never really going to win Queenslanders over. They were angry
Speaker 2: over youth crime wave that has been sweeping major cities
Speaker 2: in that state for years. They still blamed labor for
Speaker 2: COVID lockdowns. The pre planning for the Brisbane Olympics was
Speaker 2: and still is a shambles, and Miles, like Harris, had
Speaker 2: this irritating habit of laughing at nothing. I mean, the
Speaker 2: bloke tried hard in the campaign. He probably did a
Speaker 2: bit better than expected, but like Kamela, his past came
Speaker 2: back to haunt him in a contest of much less
Speaker 2: note unless you work or have a good memory of
Speaker 2: the good old days of Melbourne. The recent Lord mayoral
Speaker 2: contest saw former Julia Gillard advisor and Sky News regular,
Speaker 2: he was a regular on Paul Murray Show, and former
Speaker 2: Deputy and Acting Lord met Nicholas Reese. He won now
Speaker 2: During his campaign and after his victory, Reese bobbed up
Speaker 2: on radio and television promising a quote cleaner, greener, safer
Speaker 2: CBD of Melbourne. I mean, I beg your pardon, Nick
Speaker 2: for four and a half years. You're at the top
Speaker 2: or near the top, running the city. If it was
Speaker 2: not safe, and it was dirty, and it is smeared
Speaker 2: with graffiti on almost every hard surface and overrunning parts
Speaker 2: by homeless people, with one unfortunate bloke stabbed to death recently.
Speaker 2: So where were you? And Reese? Of course oversw oversaw
Speaker 2: during COVID, the destruction of easy vehicle access to the city,
Speaker 2: spending millions of dollars installing little used bike lanes that
Speaker 2: are despised that he now says, oh well, I'll have
Speaker 2: a look at dismantling them. Not all of them, but some.
Speaker 2: He also promised some fanciful idea of council paid security
Speaker 2: staff wandering the streets seven days a week, twenty four
Speaker 2: hours a day. If that ever happens, I'd absolutely be staggered.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't say much about the rest of the
Speaker 2: candidates that Reese actually won something that Harris and Miles
Speaker 2: could only dream of. And that brings me to Prime
Speaker 2: Minister Albanezi and his election next year, maybe as early
Speaker 2: as March. Just what does he campaign on? Because if
Speaker 2: you ask the Trump question, do you feel better off
Speaker 2: after three years of labor? The answer, I think, in
Speaker 2: general would be no pump priming the economy with a
Speaker 2: Ponzi scheme of flooding the nation with migrants means we
Speaker 2: have a housing crisis and a cost of living. Interest
Speaker 2: rates have either gone up or been on hold for
Speaker 2: his entire term. Australians are waking up to the damage
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen's Green Dream will do to regional Australia, carpeting
Speaker 2: rural landscapes with solar factories and wind turbines. I mean
Speaker 2: those three issues will be the issues of the campaign. Economy,
Speaker 2: cost of living, housing and immigration. Add to that what
Speaker 2: Trump win will actually mean in trade sense, and you
Speaker 2: work out why even more urgently he needs to rush
Speaker 2: off to an election. But with what platform? Sixteen billion
Speaker 2: dollars to pay off a student X debt. I reckon
Speaker 2: the people who benefit from that r either labor or
Speaker 2: Green voters. Anyway, big promises on building houses that seem
Speaker 2: to be going nowhere seems to me just like in
Speaker 2: the US the labor campaign might be aimed at the
Speaker 2: slogan at least I'm not Peter Dutton and I won't
Speaker 2: build nuclear power stations. Look, voters are smarter than that,
Speaker 2: and you'd think that Peter Dutton even himself, would admit
Speaker 2: he's not the p if A candidate. Like America, it
Speaker 2: comes down to a choice. In the end of the
Speaker 2: lesser of two evils. So let's bring in our first
Speaker 2: panel now, One Nation Chief of Staff James Asby and
Speaker 2: former labor counselor Linda Scott. Welcome to you both. Let's
Speaker 2: get into that US election, and it's impossible to ignore.
Speaker 2: Let's have a look at Bill Maher, who I reckon
Speaker 2: made a pretty blunt point about why celebrities couldn't get.
Speaker 5: It done for Kamala Harris, and it just made me think,
Speaker 5: I'm sure every single member of the Orient Live cast
Speaker 5: was a Horror supporter, but what if one of them wasn't?
Speaker 5: What if one of those cast What if one of
Speaker 5: those cast members was for Trump? Would they have felt
Speaker 5: comfortable saying so? I really don't think so. They would
Speaker 5: have had to keep it to themselves. That's not a
Speaker 5: good place for us to be. You're glass, you're blass,
Speaker 5: and your snobs and people are like that.
Speaker 2: James, let's start with you. What do you put Trump's
Speaker 2: victory down to him? Mean? We learned today that he
Speaker 2: has swept every one of those swing states.
Speaker 7: What I found remarkable about Trump I think people are
Speaker 7: always better their second time around, particularly after he's lost.
Speaker 1: And you know, I saw a different Trump at the
Speaker 1: end of this campaign.
Speaker 7: When he came out and did his victory speech, he
Speaker 7: was more about everybody else who was standing on that
Speaker 7: stage than himself and I thought that really told me
Speaker 7: we're in for a different four years in this electoral
Speaker 7: term once he takes office. But you know, it goes
Speaker 7: to the heart of the fact that you can have
Speaker 7: all the celebrity endorsements you like Albansi or Kamala Harris
Speaker 7: doesn't work. People saw through it, and doesn't matter whether
Speaker 7: you've got Tyler Swift or you've got the some of
Speaker 7: the Canon Brooks or whoever on your side here in Australia,
Speaker 7: it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: If you woke, you go broke.
Speaker 7: And that's exactly the path that this Labor government has put.
Speaker 7: Not only the country on a trajectory of going broke,
Speaker 7: but every household that lives within this country is feeling
Speaker 7: the pinch under this government. So they've got some major
Speaker 7: changes ahead of them if they're going to remain in
Speaker 7: the game. I know you said that Peter Dutton is
Speaker 7: not the most like guy. I'll tell you what, if
Speaker 7: people had the chance to meet Peter Dutton personally, it'd
Speaker 7: really liked the guy. And I back him one hundred
Speaker 7: percent as being our next prime minister.
Speaker 1: And I'm not even within his party.
Speaker 7: I just know the man and his character, not as
Speaker 7: close as some others, but I think he would be
Speaker 7: perfect for this country and he's.
Speaker 1: Not all show.
Speaker 7: He doesn't need celebrity endorsements to get elected. What he's
Speaker 7: got is a plan for this country like one nation does,
Speaker 7: and we as a party would be very happy to
Speaker 7: see him elected in the next six months, especially if
Speaker 7: we've got control of the Senate again.
Speaker 2: Lindra, I tend to agree with James assessment of Peter Duttonham.
Speaker 1: And I've met him.
Speaker 2: I've interviewed him in his own electorate for television and
Speaker 2: he's a different personality when you meet him. But I mean,
Speaker 2: I think, Linda, I've spent too much time in Victoria.
Speaker 2: I mean, Peter's got the same problem that Tony Abbott
Speaker 2: had in Victoria. It's a very left leaning state, Victoria,
Speaker 2: the most left leaning in the country, and it's going
Speaker 2: to be difficult for Peter Dutton. I mean, he can
Speaker 2: win it without winning seats in Victoria, I guess, but
Speaker 2: they really do need some of those seats. What do
Speaker 2: you make of Peter Dutton's comparison to Donald Trump and
Speaker 2: the people trying to paint him as a Trump light.
Speaker 6: Well, look, I too have worked with Peter Dutton as
Speaker 6: the head of the Local Government Association here in Australia.
Speaker 6: You know, we worked with him, We worked right across
Speaker 6: the Parliament to advocate for local governments. But I do
Speaker 6: think that having come out of his last portfolio as
Speaker 6: Health Minister trying to introduce a co payment for Medicare,
Speaker 6: and now his major policy announcement being about the introduction
Speaker 6: of nuclear power, as you say, in places like Victoria,
Speaker 6: which I know you know so well and other parts
Speaker 6: of Australia, that is going to go down really badly
Speaker 6: and Australians will look at that as a Trump align agenda.
Speaker 6: And we know from a polling coming out recently that
Speaker 6: Australians are concerned about that Trump like really extreme right
Speaker 6: agenda coming and being imported into Australia by people who
Speaker 6: are very, very conservative.
Speaker 2: James, You've just bought a campaign in Kepel and you
Speaker 2: did very well. Congratulations on your effort. Pity you didn't win.
Speaker 2: But what I mean we're talking here about what might
Speaker 2: make up the issues in the next election campaign, and
Speaker 2: you've got to look no further do you than the US.
Speaker 2: I mean it's the same things. It's cost of living,
Speaker 2: it's immigration, it's energy, they're exactly the same issues. When
Speaker 2: you were door knocking in that seat, what was the
Speaker 2: biggest issue that came up.
Speaker 7: For you, Well, in this area, and I think across
Speaker 7: most of regional Queensland, and I would encourage Peter Dutton
Speaker 7: to have a look at this is our health predicament
Speaker 7: across regional parts. It's too long a waiting list for
Speaker 7: you to get any elective surgery done. But the cost
Speaker 7: of living is certainly binding most households, and the biggest
Speaker 7: concern there comes down to the cost of electricity. So
Speaker 7: if Linda and her cohorts within Labor think the answer
Speaker 7: is renewables, well we've already seen that the cost of
Speaker 7: implementing these and the swaths of prime agricultural land they've
Speaker 7: got to be covered in wind turbines or these solar arrays.
Speaker 7: They're just destroying regional communities. It's not happening in your city.
Speaker 7: You don't want them, and you're allowed to say you
Speaker 7: don't want them. But for us here in regional paths,
Speaker 7: we've been told you're getting them whether you like it
Speaker 7: or not, and people have had a gupful of that.
Speaker 7: They're all for rooftop solar on their houses, it'll bring
Speaker 7: down the cost and so forth. But to actually rely
Speaker 7: on a baseload power grid that will stay alive for
Speaker 7: industry and keeping the lights on at home and keeping
Speaker 7: it at a cost that we can all afford. Peter
Speaker 7: Dutton has tapped into the right cord there and insaying
Speaker 7: to people, well, let's have this discussion about nuclear I'm
Speaker 7: willing to nominate the places where I'm prepared to put them.
Speaker 7: Now it's up to you as a community to say
Speaker 7: whether you agree with it or not. Because the path
Speaker 7: we're going down with renewables just will not work. And
Speaker 7: it might power the cities and some of the communities
Speaker 7: for a third of the year, but what about the
Speaker 7: other two thirds of the year. You've got to have
Speaker 7: bayside power consistent. And if we want to maintain the
Speaker 7: industry that we've got in this country for the long
Speaker 7: haul and develop new industries, power is everything and it
Speaker 7: adds to the cost of living. So if we go
Speaker 7: down those two paths, fix our health system and make
Speaker 7: sure that power is stable and reliable and cheap in
Speaker 7: this country.
Speaker 1: You will fix a lot that's going on in Australia right.
Speaker 2: Now, Lindra, I'm going to give you a job you
Speaker 2: might want or not want. You've just been promoted to
Speaker 2: senior advisor to Anthony alban Easy. You're going to have
Speaker 2: an election sometime in March. You're the one who's going
Speaker 2: to get us over the line. What are you telling
Speaker 2: him about some of the things James just talked about.
Speaker 2: I mean, forget health for a moment, because that's largely
Speaker 2: a state issue. But on energy are telling Are you
Speaker 2: telling Anthony alban Easy to continue to say nuclear is
Speaker 2: too expensive, it won't work and we're not going to
Speaker 2: do it, or does he have to soften that message?
Speaker 6: Well, the Prime Minister doesn't need my advice. He's already
Speaker 6: telling or not, which is he's already telling Australian's the truth,
Speaker 6: which is that the land that will be taken up
Speaker 6: by renewable energy projects in Australia across the nation is
Speaker 6: about four percent. It is correct that we need to
Speaker 6: work hard to get those planning provisions in place so
Speaker 6: that local people can see the contribution benefits that these
Speaker 6: projects are leaving in a community and that that is
Speaker 6: a very tangible benefit and I certainly fought for that
Speaker 6: as I know our local governments across Australia, particularly those
Speaker 6: in regional areas, experiencing this energy transition. But the lie
Speaker 6: that nuclear power is going to have an immediate impact
Speaker 6: on people's household energy bills, Australians know that is a lie.
Speaker 6: They know that there is no solution the nuclear And
Speaker 6: here's what else they know, James. They know that in
Speaker 6: those communities that have been named as places that may
Speaker 6: be under a Dutton federal government the subject of having
Speaker 6: a nuclear power plant, they were not consulted. Peter Dutton
Speaker 6: made those announcements, he had not consulted the mayors of
Speaker 6: those communities. He had not consulted those communities. So this
Speaker 6: coming federal election will be a referendum, particularly in those communities,
Speaker 6: about whether they want nuclear power in their backyard or not.
Speaker 2: James, that will be a really.
Speaker 1: One of those communities, James.
Speaker 2: Four.
Speaker 1: One of those communities is where live and they're happy
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 8: Is.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Labour's just wheter than lovehouts the Yeah, just Labour's
Speaker 7: just passed misinformation and disinformation in the Lower House, and
Speaker 7: they're expecting to get up through the Senate.
Speaker 1: Linda would not be able to back up four percent.
Speaker 7: As a fact, And that's just disinformation, that is deliberate
Speaker 7: lies that you're telling the people. No, no, talk about
Speaker 7: no consultation in my community here. We've got a town
Speaker 7: just to the western me here called Bouldercombe that has
Speaker 7: not been consulted on one of the largest battery installations.
Speaker 7: The town is up up in arms over it. They
Speaker 7: don't want it. They've already got one that's already caught
Speaker 7: on fire. Now they want to install one which is
Speaker 7: three times the size. No consultation, they're not even interested
Speaker 7: in listening to this community. And we don't want to
Speaker 7: see the wind turbines that go beyond Clark Creek.
Speaker 1: We had no consultation on those.
Speaker 7: There's prime agricultural land that's been destroyed as we speak
Speaker 7: with wind with solar installations.
Speaker 1: So again no consultation.
Speaker 7: And we're running an extra ten thousand to thirty thousand
Speaker 7: kilometers of additional transmission power lines to get this power
Speaker 7: back in to where people live. I'm sorry, where's a
Speaker 7: consultation because the cost attached to this as off its head.
Speaker 2: Well, Linda, I mean, I'll let you respond, but I
Speaker 2: mean there's an issue in Victoria as well, where they're
Speaker 2: going to run this massive transmission line out of the
Speaker 2: southern parts of New South Wales all the way through
Speaker 2: prime agricultural land in Victoria to just north of Ballarat.
Speaker 2: The farmers along that route saying you're not going to
Speaker 2: put it through my property. I'm not going to take it,
Speaker 2: and the Victoria governments pass legislation said well, bad luck
Speaker 2: if you won't agree, we're going to do it anyway.
Speaker 2: I mean this. I know these seats are largely held
Speaker 2: by the Nationals or the Liberal Party, and Labor are
Speaker 2: never going to win them anyway, but that's sort of
Speaker 2: discontent within the regional and rural Australia. Anthony Albanezi and
Speaker 2: his ministers have to be very careful not to let
Speaker 2: that take hold. Surely.
Speaker 6: Look, there's no doubt that these projects are complex and
Speaker 6: they're difficult, but nuclear power is decades into the future
Speaker 6: and more complex and more expensive and will cost households
Speaker 6: more money for their energy bills. So renewables are of energy.
Speaker 6: And let's be clear, there's no argument that that building
Speaker 6: process for renewable energy again is challenging, but it will
Speaker 6: only take up four percent of Australia's land mass and
Speaker 6: there's got to be a planning scheme in place that
Speaker 6: allows for contributions so that communities can.
Speaker 1: See the benefit.
Speaker 6: Let me give you a practical example. The former mayor
Speaker 6: in New South Wales of Parks Ken Keith converted his
Speaker 6: property into a solar farm. He had sheep grazing underneath
Speaker 6: the solar farm, with enough space between them to allow
Speaker 6: enough sunlight to grow enough crop for grazing. It was
Speaker 6: a great multiple land use, very profitable for its owner
Speaker 6: and enabled renewable energy to come into that part of
Speaker 6: New South Wales, enabled him to keep sheep.
Speaker 1: Would do all sorts.
Speaker 6: Of solutions that our brilliant Australian we argue have put
Speaker 6: in place to facilitate cheap, art greener energy right across Australia.
Speaker 6: Farmers know what they're doing. They're not and I don't
Speaker 6: want to have them criticize them on a show like this. Well,
Speaker 6: we know they're creating great innovative solutions to these kinds
Speaker 6: of challenges.
Speaker 2: How would you like a twenty story wind turbine next
Speaker 2: door to your house?
Speaker 6: We've got all sorts of wind turbines going.
Speaker 2: Offshore in the next to your house.
Speaker 6: Well, I don't live next to the ocean. I can't
Speaker 6: afford to do that, Steve, unfortunately. And I don't live
Speaker 6: next to a paddick. I live in a tiny, little
Speaker 6: inner city terrort.
Speaker 2: So we could debate this all night. Let's move on, James.
Speaker 2: Look your boss Pauline Hanson. She gave a really emotional
Speaker 2: interview to my old made Andrew Bolt happened on Sky
Speaker 2: this week about your legal battle with Senator Marine Feruki
Speaker 2: or Pauline's battle with her. Let's just take an up
Speaker 2: a brief look at this.
Speaker 8: You know, I just feel that the country's changed so
Speaker 8: much in such a way that people can't say what
Speaker 8: they think anymore. The thought police are out there, everyone
Speaker 8: shut down to having an opinion. It's not the country
Speaker 8: that I grew up in.
Speaker 2: James. That's very hard to watch. I've interviewed Pauline, as
Speaker 2: you know, plenty of times, including face to face in
Speaker 2: her house in Queensland. How hard has this been on her?
Speaker 2: I mean I've never seen her like that, and she's
Speaker 2: been through death threats, people throwing stuff at her. She's
Speaker 2: been through everything, thrown in jail, never seen her breakdown
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 7: Ever, I think what's hard to hand there is that
Speaker 7: a simple tweet that was found offensive and that's the
Speaker 7: definition that's cost Pauline Hanson nine hundred thousand dollars as.
Speaker 1: It currently sits.
Speaker 7: And what was she found guilty of putting up a
Speaker 7: tweet that was merely seen to be offensive by Marine Ferouki.
Speaker 1: And why was it offensive? Well, because she's a woman of.
Speaker 7: Color, and she is a woman, and that's what the
Speaker 7: judge found in this case. And this sets very dangerous
Speaker 7: precedence for every single one of us, Steve. This precedence
Speaker 7: means that to have an opinion that may go against
Speaker 7: a minority or somebody of color can land us all
Speaker 7: in the same situation as Pauline Hansen. And nine hundred
Speaker 7: thousand dollars is a lot to swallow, because I know
Speaker 7: it cost us about a bit over three hundred thousand
Speaker 7: dollars in legal fees already. And then of course the
Speaker 7: judge is ordered that this is the crazy part.
Speaker 1: The judges ordered two things.
Speaker 7: Take the tweet down a big deal, but pay her
Speaker 7: costs other six hundred thousand dollars plus that we anticipate
Speaker 7: paul En Hanson's on the hook for and so therefore
Speaker 7: we've got to appeal.
Speaker 1: I can understand why she's upset.
Speaker 7: I was upset, and it's hard to watch your boss
Speaker 7: go through that, especially when she was self offended herself
Speaker 7: by the tweet the marine Ferouki put out. But it
Speaker 7: just seems as though one's allowed to offend the other isn't.
Speaker 7: And that's why it's so important. And I think the
Speaker 7: people of this country who's got behind Pauland so far
Speaker 7: we're you know, we're about halfway in raising the money
Speaker 7: for that case to appeal it in the federal court,
Speaker 7: and it's already been decided that if we can't even
Speaker 7: win that we will go to the High Court because
Speaker 7: there's a very strong case that Pauline's got here. Eighteen
Speaker 7: C puts every single person who puts out something that
Speaker 7: could be deemed offensive in the firing line for a
Speaker 7: same bill you lose your house over.
Speaker 1: Well, look at the high Wire Act.
Speaker 2: We tread when and do programs like this every night
Speaker 2: of the week live like we're doing right now. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's very easy to say something off the top of
Speaker 2: your head that you might sometimes regret, but you'd end
Speaker 2: up with a million dollar with a million dollar bill
Speaker 2: that you've got to pay for someone else. Linda, I
Speaker 2: want to talk about the great socialist state of Victoria.
Speaker 2: They're now going to bring in and I'm seventy years
Speaker 2: old next year, so I'm closer to death than I
Speaker 2: am to birth. They're going to bring in a death tax.
Speaker 2: They're going to hike probate fees. It means people could
Speaker 2: pay thousands of dollars to enact the wills of relatives.
Speaker 2: Herald Sun's reported that fees for a state's value between
Speaker 2: one and two million dollars. And that's anyone, let's be
Speaker 2: Frank that's got a house will jump from six hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty five dollars to two thousand and four hundred.
Speaker 2: This is nothing more than a broke state taxing people
Speaker 2: by stealth when they're dead, and the relatives have got
Speaker 2: to go through and find that money. One of the
Speaker 2: government ministers, Linda said, oh, well, if you don't have
Speaker 2: that money in the bank, you can put it on
Speaker 2: your credit card.
Speaker 6: I mean, seriously, well, look, Steve, I know you're Victorian,
Speaker 6: so I know I'm sure you're very across is my
Speaker 6: understanding of the reforms to the scheme to ensure that
Speaker 6: it's fairer and a more progressive system of fees. And
Speaker 6: so that for from these reforms, twenty percent approximately of
Speaker 6: Victorians will have no probate fees to pay, and that
Speaker 6: simple estates which otherwise would have been subject to a fee,
Speaker 6: will no longer be subject to a fee. And then
Speaker 6: as the increase in the size of the estate increases,
Speaker 6: there is a slightly higher well.
Speaker 2: Six hundred fee. Six hundred percent are who got the
Speaker 2: state of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars six hundred
Speaker 2: percent hardly a small increase.
Speaker 6: I mean, let's be clear, these are presumably costs that
Speaker 6: are incurred by the state government. And so either you
Speaker 6: do this taxation structure in a way that is progressive,
Speaker 6: or you have a flat tax, which is pretty unfair.
Speaker 6: You're clearly charging the people who can waste afford it
Speaker 6: the same as the people who have in some cases
Speaker 6: multi million dollar fees, or as you say, you have
Speaker 6: no tax, and then other Victorians pay it in a
Speaker 6: different way through waste levies, or through reduced hospital services,
Speaker 6: or through reduced teachers in schools. So all these things
Speaker 6: have to be paid for. It's just about how you're allocated.
Speaker 6: And I think having a progressive system of taxation that
Speaker 6: in this case leaves twenty percent of Victorians with a
Speaker 6: small simple estate to pay no fees is a fairer
Speaker 6: system than the kind of system that is currently in place.
Speaker 6: I'm sure the government will listen to consultation and receive
Speaker 6: feedback from communities reasonable to think about how fairly we
Speaker 6: can do these kinds of state government and territory government fees.
Speaker 2: James, is there approbate death tax in Queensland? Do you
Speaker 2: know you're too young to even have poot?
Speaker 1: Thank goodness?
Speaker 7: Well no, I've been through a few family members that
Speaker 7: have died of reason. But look, you know, we had
Speaker 7: a fantastic premiere in this state many many years ago
Speaker 7: who led the way so job occuped us and got
Speaker 7: rid of death duties. And guess what every other state followed,
Speaker 7: and now Victoria wants to go and put it back on.
Speaker 7: These are the problems that these desperate states are returned
Speaker 7: to and this is, you know, the debt that we've
Speaker 7: got in this country. Don't be surprised if Anthony Alberanezi
Speaker 7: thinks to himself if he's reelected next term. Hey, here's
Speaker 7: a quick, short fix. The Victorians rolled over and let
Speaker 7: us do it, so we'll do it nationally.
Speaker 6: Don't you have no evidence for that whatsoever. That's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: No, Hey, he stood for it once before.
Speaker 7: He's been on the record as saying he supported death duties,
Speaker 7: So don't hold your breath there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't be too confident now. I don't want
Speaker 2: to whind Linda up too much, James. But The Courier
Speaker 2: Mail in Queensland reports today that Brisbane taxpayers have been
Speaker 2: slugged one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars over the
Speaker 2: last two year. Is for welcome to country services. I mean,
Speaker 2: I can understand welcome to country. It's say, you know,
Speaker 2: a big event like a Grand Final or Baptist or
Speaker 2: a royal tour. But I would have thought for the
Speaker 2: people doing it, it would be an honor to do
Speaker 2: it rather than charging for it.
Speaker 7: Looks ANZACs when you go to an Anziic Day ceremony,
Speaker 7: that's exactly right. People do that for free, and you'd
Speaker 7: expect that the Indigenous who claim to own and represent
Speaker 7: the land be so proud of it would come along
Speaker 7: and do these things themselves. But I caught up with
Speaker 7: our mayor here locally in Livingstone, and I barred him
Speaker 7: up today and I said, please tell me we aren't
Speaker 7: spending these ludicrous amounts of money on welcome to country
Speaker 7: ceremonies here in Livingston as well. He said now quoting,
Speaker 7: he's going to go and check it out on Monday.
Speaker 7: So I hope they put a stop to it. Look,
Speaker 7: we shouldn't be doing welcome to countries every time they
Speaker 7: open either parliament or just do one ceremony at the
Speaker 7: start of the parliament perhaps and don't worry about it
Speaker 7: for another three years. And I hope councils do the
Speaker 7: same thing. If you've got a four year term, do
Speaker 7: one at the start. Perhaps this is the way we
Speaker 7: can all come to a happy agreement. Do one at
Speaker 7: the start of the term, and no more so.
Speaker 2: It's a blamement, Linda, sensible, don't you reckon, Steve.
Speaker 6: I don't think anyone should be suggesting that Indigenous people
Speaker 6: should not be paid for the work that they do.
Speaker 6: And when Indigenous Australians come into a welcome to country
Speaker 6: that is worthy of being paid for their time and services.
Speaker 6: In fact, when you look at Australia and particularly in
Speaker 6: our capital cities, and you speak to people who want
Speaker 6: to come and visit Australia, one of the biggest things
Speaker 6: that came up, for example, in my former council's tourism strategies,
Speaker 6: was that people spoke about wanting to have more opportunities
Speaker 6: for an authentic Indigenous experience. Depending on what kind of
Speaker 6: welcome to country ceremony is put in place, these can
Speaker 6: be really interesting culturally educational opportunities for Australians but also
Speaker 6: visitors to Australia to learn more more about this nation,
Speaker 6: the history of the land and what has happened here.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone should wishing.
Speaker 1: They never hear another one in their life.
Speaker 2: Again, the problem is.
Speaker 6: That's the case.
Speaker 1: Indeed, the research that we.
Speaker 2: Turn into they turn into political lectures. So the person
Speaker 2: doing it lectures you about what happened in two hundred
Speaker 2: years ago, and you've got to sit there while you're
Speaker 2: waiting for the game to start, while you're getting a
Speaker 2: lecture about indigenous politics. Anyway, I want a bold prediction, Linda,
Speaker 2: from you week ahead, what's going to happen?
Speaker 6: Look, I think there's going to be so much more
Speaker 6: blood letting about the US election, and I've got to
Speaker 6: tell you, I mean, I just want to get on
Speaker 6: to the end.
Speaker 5: Of the year.
Speaker 6: Like so many other Australians. My bold prediction is that
Speaker 6: we're going to see more Christmas decorations earlier in shops
Speaker 6: than ever before. I'm already seeing the Christmas decorations, the
Speaker 6: food coming out. It's absolutely amazing. I just think people
Speaker 6: are exhausted from twenty twenty four looking to the end
Speaker 6: of the year, So get ready for Christmas. It's coming.
Speaker 2: James.
Speaker 7: Look, there's one thing I can agree with Lenda on tonight.
Speaker 7: I think it will come down to the trade war
Speaker 7: discussion and how it's going to impact on Australia.
Speaker 1: That'll be the big talk topic.
Speaker 7: Look, do I think Trump's going to destroy our industries
Speaker 7: that we export overseas?
Speaker 1: Know they said.
Speaker 7: Prior to the election that he was an unpredictable president,
Speaker 7: and now every journalist wants to predict the future now.
Speaker 7: So it's very much going to be about a trade
Speaker 7: war discussion.
Speaker 2: It's going to be very interesting. James, Ashby Linda Scott
Speaker 2: appreciate it very much. Thank you for joining us on
Speaker 2: this Sunday night. We'll back after the break. Welcome back,
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us on this Sunday night. Steep Price
Speaker 2: here for Paul Murray. Paul, as you know, has been
Speaker 2: in the United States. He's still over there enjoying I'm
Speaker 2: sure Donald Trump's America. I've heard a few rumors about
Speaker 2: what he's been up to. We better leave that to
Speaker 2: him to tell you when he gets back. Plenty to
Speaker 2: discuss you though. In Australia, Let's bring in National's MP
Speaker 2: Keith Pitt and Lisa Goddard from ADNI Media. Welcome to
Speaker 2: you both. Great to see you. Paul might be enjoying
Speaker 2: Trump's reelection, you too, but I'm not sure labor is
Speaker 2: especially enjoying it. When you look at Donald Trump's energy policies,
Speaker 2: they are so different from their reckless fixation on renewables.
Speaker 2: That's not going to stop labor though. Check out what
Speaker 2: Mark Butler said to Andrew Clenel this morning on Sunday Agenda.
Speaker 4: But it won't stop the global investment shift, which is
Speaker 4: very much in the direction of NAT zero. Technology, whether
Speaker 4: that's in energy or in vehicles. Will continue our case
Speaker 4: for global investment to come to Australia because we have
Speaker 4: some of the best solar resources on the planet, some
Speaker 4: of the best wind resources on the planet, and some
Speaker 4: of the best scientists as well. You know, perhaps there's
Speaker 4: a there's an upside for us in terms of the
Speaker 4: investment shifting a bit more away from the US than
Speaker 4: it has under Joe Biden's term.
Speaker 2: Keith, you're up against some election next year. I'm punting
Speaker 2: on March twenty twenty five. Now that has to be
Speaker 2: music to your ears, doesn't it. That's exactly what you
Speaker 2: want their policy to do. Well.
Speaker 9: I also heard you earlier guess around this four percent
Speaker 9: not being very much. That's four hundred and twenty six
Speaker 9: million hectares have cleared and partially cleared agg land in
Speaker 9: this country. So at four percent, that's sixteen million hectes
Speaker 9: plus just on agg land alone. The entire Australian sugar
Speaker 9: industry is only three hundred and fifty zero hectes. Right,
Speaker 9: this is madness. And if you look at emissions as
Speaker 9: a total, so you've now got the four biggest of
Speaker 9: it in countries China, the USA, India and Russia. Sort
Speaker 9: of fifty seven percent of the world's emissions either out
Speaker 9: of Paris will simply not do anything, and China alone
Speaker 9: increases their emissions by the equival of Australia's a tire
Speaker 9: annual contribution. I think I know who's got this wrong,
Speaker 9: and it's Butler and Labor and all of the rest.
Speaker 2: Of them, Lisa. The Trump election should make it a
Speaker 2: little easier, perhaps the alban Easy government to pull back
Speaker 2: a little bit. But with Chris Bowen in charge and
Speaker 2: with Butler there and Anthony Albanesi, it seems they're not
Speaker 2: going to do that. So they're going to roll the
Speaker 2: dice on an election campaign where they're going to trash
Speaker 2: nuclear and say there's no point using it in any mix,
Speaker 2: and they're going to push renewables. That's a big risk
Speaker 2: to take, I think politically, a really big risk.
Speaker 10: Bowen will just continue to double down. You've got Cop
Speaker 10: twenty nine. He's already indicated that's exactly what his plan is.
Speaker 10: They have no plan that we can see that they
Speaker 10: intend to walk this back in any way. But the
Speaker 10: big question is they haven't yet set their twenty thirty
Speaker 10: five targets, so there will now be pressure and question.
Speaker 10: So they are going to forge ahead. What is their target?
Speaker 10: Because all the predictions where they weren't quite going to
Speaker 10: hit their twenty thirty current rate. But again, look at
Speaker 10: what when we don't talk about these polls all the time.
Speaker 10: It's not climate change that people are concerned about at
Speaker 10: the moment. It's cost of living. And that's what you
Speaker 10: saw in the US election. It was cost of living.
Speaker 10: It was the economy. It wasn't about environment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Keith, it's cost of living. It's immigration and
Speaker 2: its housing. And you know, the rush to green energy
Speaker 2: is falling way down the ladder of priorities. I mean,
Speaker 2: it seems that what this Albanezi government is fixated on
Speaker 2: is that religious push, but they also want to destroy
Speaker 2: the greens and be seen to be nice and clean
Speaker 2: and green themselves. There's no time for them to change
Speaker 2: their attitudes to any of this, is there. I mean,
Speaker 2: Anthony Alberteze couldn't stand up next week and say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe I do need to start thinking about
Speaker 2: nuclear and that's never going to happen, is it.
Speaker 9: Well, what they should think about is how much people
Speaker 9: can afford, and they just can't pay. Labour's policies have
Speaker 9: moved too far, too fast, and at too much cost.
Speaker 9: For the Australian people. They simply can't afford what labor's proposing.
Speaker 9: And then you want to take away tens of millions
Speaker 9: of hectares of productive agg land and cover them with
Speaker 9: solar battles and take away their jobs. You want to
Speaker 9: force it into regional areas where they simply don't want them.
Speaker 9: And the alternative from US is a small footprint, very
Speaker 9: dense energy nuclear reactor that works. I know, a choption
Speaker 9: I'd like to be proposing, and that's the coalitions. But
Speaker 9: you're right, Labor will not change. They are ideologically wedded
Speaker 9: to this because of the Greens.
Speaker 2: Lisa, It's interesting. I mean, a lot of the Poles
Speaker 2: typically got it wrong again in the United States, and
Speaker 2: I think one of the things you can put that
Speaker 2: down to is that when people were polled, either face
Speaker 2: to face or online or by phone, they weren't prepared
Speaker 2: to say, oh, yes, I'm going to vote for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't like him much as a bloke,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to vote for him because the other
Speaker 2: mob hopeless. If you're poll the Australian people, they don't
Speaker 2: go to a dinner party and say I love nuclear
Speaker 2: but they probably secretly themselves think well, goodness sake, it's
Speaker 2: got to be part of gas and coal and all
Speaker 2: of the other solutions. And so maybe the nuclear, the
Speaker 2: embraceive nuclear by the wider public might be a lot
Speaker 2: higher than what we're seeing in these poles.
Speaker 10: Well, I think one, it's the people who are taking
Speaker 10: the time to answer the polling as well. I don't
Speaker 10: know about you, but when I get those phone calls,
Speaker 10: I hang up. I haven't got the time and I
Speaker 10: don't want to give them the indication as to what
Speaker 10: I'm thinking. So one, I don't know how accurate it
Speaker 10: is the pool of people that they're polling. And two,
Speaker 10: I think more and more the Coalition have to be
Speaker 10: out there on the front foot like Keith is, like
Speaker 10: the rest of the coalition is talking about the benefits
Speaker 10: of nuclear and putting it into a cost perspective for
Speaker 10: people so they can look at that shock every time
Speaker 10: they get their next electricity bill or their gas and
Speaker 10: look at, well, this is the alternative, and not be
Speaker 10: frightened by it. It's about taking away that fear. And
Speaker 10: we saw Labor the first time that the Coalition raised this.
Speaker 10: The first thing Labor went to the scare campaign, So
Speaker 10: that's what has to be addressed. It has to be
Speaker 10: addressed both through traditional media, through being out there speaking
Speaker 10: on the news, through doing it through newspapers, but also
Speaker 10: through social media, because that's where Trump did really well.
Speaker 10: He broadened himself out. It wasn't just about relying on
Speaker 10: traditional media because they didn't give him a fair audience.
Speaker 10: He then took it to things like podcasts, talk to
Speaker 10: the people directly. That's what the Coalition needs to do,
Speaker 10: particularly around Nuclear Keith.
Speaker 2: When you see the victory by Donald Trump and you
Speaker 2: compare it to what Peter Dutton's going to have to
Speaker 2: do come March or May whenever the election, is to
Speaker 2: sell himself to people who are unsure. Does the victory
Speaker 2: by Trump give you some more confidence that Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: can sell himself as an alternative PM?
Speaker 9: Well, this will sound strange. I actually agree with what
Speaker 9: James Ashby said earlier. If Peter Dutton could meet every
Speaker 9: Australian we'd never be beaten. He's a genuinely good person.
Speaker 9: And you look at what Trump's done in the US.
Speaker 9: He's won the popular vote, the presidency, the Senate and
Speaker 9: the House of Reps.
Speaker 1: It's just extraordinary.
Speaker 9: And we will need to do something like that here
Speaker 9: if we are to defeat the Albanezy government. We've got
Speaker 9: a long way to go. Twenty seats. It's an awful
Speaker 9: lot to win. We've got the Teals, we've got multiple
Speaker 9: billionaires all over the place, You've got lots of surprises
Speaker 9: in terms of candidates, and we're not entirely in the
Speaker 9: field yet.
Speaker 1: We've still got a lot of pre selections to do,
Speaker 1: included in Queensland.
Speaker 9: So hoping now the state elections out of the way,
Speaker 9: we can get on with the federal campaign.
Speaker 2: On those pre selections. In breaking news tonight, the former
Speaker 2: New South Wales RSL president James Brown as one pre
Speaker 2: selection for the Liberals in that seat of mckeller. That's
Speaker 2: the old seed of Bromin Bishop. Of course, it's held
Speaker 2: currently by one of the Teals, Sophie Scamps Lisa. These
Speaker 2: till candidates that got up at the last election, and
Speaker 2: a lot of that was around climate change and energy.
Speaker 2: Do you think that most of them are going to
Speaker 2: be able to hang on or are they largely going
Speaker 2: to be knocked off again by the Liberal and a
Speaker 2: seat like mckella maybe goes back to the Libs.
Speaker 10: Well, Steve, they've been quite ineffective and how often do
Speaker 10: you hear them now going out there and championing climate change.
Speaker 10: They realize that it's not the popular number one issue
Speaker 10: of the day anymore, so you don't really hear them
Speaker 10: speaking about it. I think if you elected a teal,
Speaker 10: you'd be looking at them and think of, well, how
Speaker 10: effective have they been as my local member. What I
Speaker 10: like about looking at that pre selectional list was actually
Speaker 10: how many people nominated? And there will be people saying, look,
Speaker 10: it should have been a woman. I'm a firm believer
Speaker 10: and it has to be based on merit, and I
Speaker 10: think they've got a strong candidate and I do think
Speaker 10: that last time it was a fight against you as
Speaker 10: a protest vote against Morrison, so this time we hopefully
Speaker 10: will see those Libule voters come back.
Speaker 2: Keith, how much is this campaign going to be about
Speaker 2: both leaders? I mean almost turning it into a presidential campaign.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've got a very different system of the
Speaker 2: United States. We don't have that complicated system, but we
Speaker 2: do vote for our local MPs. But it is going
Speaker 2: to focus in on the character of these two men.
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanzi won the last election largely by saying, well,
Speaker 2: you know, things are going to be better under me.
Speaker 2: He's not going to be able to make that argument
Speaker 2: this time because it's not.
Speaker 3: I hope he does.
Speaker 9: That'll be great for us, because I think every single
Speaker 9: Australia knows they are not doing better under the Albanesi government.
Speaker 9: But if you'd asked me, you know, two terms ago,
Speaker 9: if I thought someone could win off a thirty three primary,
Speaker 9: I would have said, you know, not on your nelly.
Speaker 9: But it will be a contest around the leadership, but
Speaker 9: in the regions in particular, it will be a local
Speaker 9: campaign about your local champion. And that's one of the
Speaker 9: reasons that the coalition has been so successful in the
Speaker 9: regions now. I think any suggestion that we should change
Speaker 9: to a presidential style campaign that's only about the leaders well,
Speaker 9: that will be fought off with great ferocity by the
Speaker 9: local MPs. I can tell you.
Speaker 2: Now, including Keith Pitt, Keith and Lisa stick with us.
Speaker 2: Will be back after the break. Welcome back to see
Speaker 2: prussing for Paul Murray. Paul will be back with you
Speaker 2: on Wednesday. Keith Pitt and Lisa Goddard still with us.
Speaker 2: Just before I get onto another subject, Keith, your Queensland mate,
Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd. Can he survive as ambassador to the US
Speaker 2: with that result this week?
Speaker 9: Well, I've got a bit of a different view to
Speaker 9: some of my colleagues. I think, of course he will
Speaker 9: because the Prime Minister will want to keep him there.
Speaker 9: And I'm of the view that no country or no
Speaker 9: leader of any other country can tell Australia who at
Speaker 9: Sambassas should be. And that's a view I hold pretty firmly.
Speaker 9: And I know we're going to go to our tip
Speaker 9: of the week later, but I'll give it to you early, mate,
Speaker 9: Kevin run. He'll become our greatest expat golfer. You'll see
Speaker 9: him on the Trump Tour. He'll be at the Trump Invitational,
Speaker 9: He'll have a box of titleists, he'll be out there
Speaker 9: going on.
Speaker 2: He doesn't strike me as a golfer. Hockey was not
Speaker 2: a bad player, but not Kevin. I can't see Kevin
Speaker 2: playing golf. Let's go back to Mark Butler. He was
Speaker 2: on Sky this morning talking me with my mate Andrew Clanell.
Speaker 2: He was asked about the latest information on former immigration
Speaker 2: detainees who the High Court side of the course can't
Speaker 2: now be tracked with ankle monitors or given curfews.
Speaker 1: Incredible.
Speaker 2: The government has now vowed to detain them, send them
Speaker 2: to a foreign country. Here's what Mark but they had
Speaker 2: to say this morning.
Speaker 4: I mean, they shouldn't be here, They're not owed protection.
Speaker 4: They've committed crimes in Australia and were determined to do
Speaker 4: everything we can to remove them from our country.
Speaker 1: But which country would take them?
Speaker 2: Would it be the US? Would it be Nauru? Who
Speaker 2: would want people with these sorts of records?
Speaker 4: Well, again, I say that's the matter that Tony Burke
Speaker 4: is working hard on right now. He was prepared for
Speaker 4: that High Court decision. It's not the decision we wanted.
Speaker 4: It's a decision we argued very strongly against in the court.
Speaker 4: But we knew there was a risk, of course, that
Speaker 4: the High Court would find against the government. It's done
Speaker 4: that before, It did it twelve months ago, so we
Speaker 4: were fully prepared for that scenario and Tony Burke is
Speaker 4: already acting on it.
Speaker 2: Lisa.
Speaker 10: He's delusional, delusional about the fact that we are going
Speaker 10: to spend money now to pay other countries to take
Speaker 10: these people who, yes, we all agree on one thing
Speaker 10: there they shouldn't be here. But what's the solution. It's
Speaker 10: just a lot of words. There was no real responsible
Speaker 10: answer in that at all. They're working hard on it. Well,
Speaker 10: I think they've been supposedly working hard on this now
Speaker 10: for over twelve months. But it doesn't change the number
Speaker 10: of cases in courts. We have to be careful about that.
Speaker 10: But who is going to take them if that is
Speaker 10: the plan. It's already cost seventy three million dollars to
Speaker 10: the taxpayer to get to this point. So I don't
Speaker 10: understand the policy here, Keith.
Speaker 2: What is it about labor and illegal migrants and people
Speaker 2: who are criminals in the country. They just don't seem
Speaker 2: to be able to work out what they want to
Speaker 2: do well.
Speaker 9: They keep picking incompetent ministers. So what we've seen now
Speaker 9: is we've seen hardcore criminals released, some of them put
Speaker 9: back in, some of them released again. The Australian people
Speaker 9: were told that they were safe because they had ankle
Speaker 9: monitoring and all those ankle bracelets and monitoring, and they
Speaker 9: knew where they were. Now they don't. No one knows
Speaker 9: where these individuals are, No one knows.
Speaker 1: What risk they placed.
Speaker 9: They've already actually committed other offenses while they're out.
Speaker 1: And this is just a result of the.
Speaker 9: Absolute shambles that his minister Giles is doing. And what
Speaker 9: are the apprentices of Australia the Albanzy labor government. So
Speaker 9: now I have him as the Minister for Training.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just incredible. Now, look, I've got a big
Speaker 2: issue with state governments that go broke. Here's a really
Speaker 2: good example when the states badly run. I'm talking about Victoria,
Speaker 2: where I happen to reside. They're completely busted. They've got
Speaker 2: a massive debt, all of their major builds are over budget.
Speaker 2: But have a look at this Channel nine report that
Speaker 2: gives you a great example of what happens when a
Speaker 2: state government goes broke. They can't even fix potholes.
Speaker 3: The data doesn't lie. Three years ago Victoria resurfaced eleven
Speaker 3: and to half million square meters in regional areas, roughly
Speaker 3: the size of five hundred and seventy four mcgs. Last
Speaker 3: financial year we resurfaced roads the size of just twenty
Speaker 3: one mcgs, which is less than four percent of previous totals.
Speaker 2: Keith makes mind have spent thousands of dollars getting their
Speaker 2: suspension fixed. It's just ridiculous. What this mob of let
Speaker 2: happen to the roads of Victoria.
Speaker 9: Well, it's kept tire shops busy and suspension shops busy,
Speaker 9: but it's also incredibly dangerous. If you're blowing tires on
Speaker 9: the road, you end up in the bush and in
Speaker 9: the trees. And don't forget the Albanezer government's brought a
Speaker 9: million extra people in in the last eighteen months that
Speaker 9: are also driving on those roads. If you don't maintain them,
Speaker 9: this is what happens. The water gets under them, particularly
Speaker 9: in bad weather. It's incredibly dangerous and I just it's
Speaker 9: a fundamental responsibility of state governments to maintain their roads,
Speaker 9: and clearly they are not.
Speaker 2: Lisa, have you got a bold prediction for the week?
Speaker 2: I'll be interested in hearing this. We think we've already
Speaker 2: got Keith's preview, but we'll let him have another go
Speaker 2: on a sec you've got a bold prediction for us?
Speaker 10: I do christ of Phil's government is going, it seems
Speaker 10: line by line through what labor has done up here
Speaker 10: for the past nine years. So I expect we will
Speaker 10: see it more exposed, more headlines saying like five hundred
Speaker 10: million dollar blowout on Olympics, A thirty seven billion dollar
Speaker 10: blowout on the hydra that they can. So that's what
Speaker 10: I expect. We'll come from Queensland this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Queensland really needs to get it tacked together over that
Speaker 2: Olympic stuff. I mean it's just a shambles. Keith, what's
Speaker 2: your prediction?
Speaker 9: Kevin will go all out on the handicap and it
Speaker 9: won't help.
Speaker 2: He's not going to be a goal for mate. I'm
Speaker 2: a golfer. Kevin Rudd is not a golfer. Let me
Speaker 2: tell you, Keith, You're normally accurate, but you get in
Speaker 2: all good on your gang. Lisa and Keith, thank you
Speaker 2: very much, appreciate your time coming up after me. The
Speaker 2: Royal Reports on tonight and Danika will be in this
Speaker 2: chair tomorrow night.
Speaker 7: Yeah,