WEBVTT - Should WE Be Acknowledging Country? 

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<v Speaker 1>Guys, Just before we get started, we have some exciting news.

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<v Speaker 2>You can join us for our first ever live podcast

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be sharing yarns about the importance of storytelling.

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<v Speaker 1>As you know, we love a good yarn and the

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to first things first, I'm Broogletting. My pronouns are

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<v Speaker 1>she huh.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Maddie Miles. My pronouns are he and him. And

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<v Speaker 2>before we get started with like to acknowledge the traditional

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<v Speaker 2>custodians of the land on which we record, and that's.

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<v Speaker 3>The Gallicol people of the year or nation.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get into it. Why laughing at.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, Maddie and I feel like we're going back in

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<v Speaker 1>times of times. So he's opening up he invisit line container,

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<v Speaker 1>which is so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Because in a case, it really it's like.

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<v Speaker 3>It is like these teeth.

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<v Speaker 2>And now that I've finished my coffee, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>put my little nice, beautiful retainers. So I'm gonna pop

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<v Speaker 2>them in. Do you want to hear? Okay, so this

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<v Speaker 2>is me putting my invisiline retain it back in.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't need to.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you can't really hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay, so disgusting. I cannot believe this. That isn't that, Rachel.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an out for late and you're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>and you're gonna have like.

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<v Speaker 2>A little everyone. No, I'm kidding, but this week I

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<v Speaker 2>got my biziline, so I've kicked off the inbizzline. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>I can hear myself that little lisp that I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you just pull yourself back from the mic because

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<v Speaker 3>it's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, you've had a visil It sounds so bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to take these out.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I don't know why you put them in. I

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<v Speaker 3>always have mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't want to have them forever, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>like I will have them in every minute.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't had them forever, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I will have them in as many minutes as I

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<v Speaker 2>can in.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, anyways, anyway, but actually talking about teeth, I know

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<v Speaker 1>this is like two things that are weird, but like

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<v Speaker 1>growing up, I had really like it's so weird now

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<v Speaker 1>that I have like straight teeth, Like I look in

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<v Speaker 1>the mirror and I actually really like my smile even

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<v Speaker 1>though it's like not completely finished yet, Like my.

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<v Speaker 2>Your teeth are straight now. Yeah, but they were gay.

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<v Speaker 3>Before they were very gay. They were literally like fighting

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<v Speaker 3>to death.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I had this really big gap in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>when I was nine years old. I had a gap

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of my teeth that I could fit

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<v Speaker 1>a two dollar coin in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>No, for real, where are the photos because.

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<v Speaker 3>I've only got one photo the original.

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<v Speaker 1>I've like scribbled over my mouth because I hated it

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<v Speaker 1>so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it that whide was so big? Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't that did you? Was that like your party trick?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of look like I can do. I've got a

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<v Speaker 2>quain slot between what parties?

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<v Speaker 3>I was nine years old.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know going to your little kids parties. But

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<v Speaker 2>I was a loser.

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<v Speaker 3>NEI did anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I was poor, Yeah, because you couldn't take a present,

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<v Speaker 2>so you wouldn't go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And I actually never got invited because I was

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<v Speaker 1>so lame.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess come on, no, oh god, how far have

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<v Speaker 3>we come?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah? For real, though you don't have any gaps

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<v Speaker 2>in your teeth anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>This is like such a surreal thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I U believe this video last week about thirty one

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<v Speaker 1>days until I'm like, actually thirty, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>holy shit, I can't believe this is happening, Like this

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<v Speaker 1>is crazy, Like that's all we have for twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh when this year has to have been the quickest year,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it just flew by.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like there's something about like time that's like

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<v Speaker 2>starting to freak me out as I get older a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit, because I'm like.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you feel like it's going slower?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? The thing that breaks me out is when I

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<v Speaker 2>think about thirty and then I think of another thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years and that's sixty. Yeah, And I feel like the

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<v Speaker 2>first thirty went really quick, so I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to sixty in no time, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>breaking out about that.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you have to start thinking about death and retirement.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, yes, I'm like, bar do you think of.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you guys ever think about dying? I don't know where,

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<v Speaker 3>I's just that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just dying to dance. Well, speaking of death.

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<v Speaker 3>Is going.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great no. But when I was on my

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<v Speaker 2>way here, my dad called me and he was having

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<v Speaker 2>biggest yarns. It's nine o'clock in the morning, and he

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to talk about funeral plans. Oh that's sad, and

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<v Speaker 2>I understand it's an important conversation. But there's many black

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<v Speaker 2>fellows who would know this. There are Aboriginal funeral plans

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of mob paid for through their pension

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<v Speaker 2>or through their government benefit, through a company that went bust.

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<v Speaker 2>So now there are all these mob who have paid

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of dollars for their funeral cover that don't have

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<v Speaker 2>any funeral cover. My dad included wow and an ITV's

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<v Speaker 2>on a big like yarn on this big story. But

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<v Speaker 2>there was a funeral insurance company, and there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>mob like I would hundreds of thousands of mob who

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<v Speaker 2>paid for their funeral cover that don't have cover anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>They went bust, and the government needs to fucking step

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<v Speaker 2>in and cover the costs. I feel like I actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Thought about this when I was organizing, because I've organized

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<v Speaker 1>three funerals in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, culture culture culture culture Gil.

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<v Speaker 3>Because neither my fan they did either.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we when I was like eleven and I

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<v Speaker 1>was helping my auntie at the time, my only Brenda,

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<v Speaker 1>who was organizing my mum's funeral.

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<v Speaker 3>Which I pretty much did, like I wrote out the

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<v Speaker 3>eulogy like.

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<v Speaker 1>There were so many spelling mistakes, but we were we

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<v Speaker 1>weren't hold that again.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Picking flowers and caskets and then songs and like I

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<v Speaker 1>guess like poems and stuff like that, and like it

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<v Speaker 1>was in the church, so it was very unusual. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought about this because I and then my nana's

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<v Speaker 1>and then my sisters and my sisters was probably a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit closer to home because I think I was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty isolated in COVID because I was in a Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was literally in an airbnb.

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<v Speaker 2>In Surrey Hills.

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<v Speaker 3>No no, no, this was in Perth.

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<v Speaker 1>So I finished the bachelorette back to per Earth, which

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<v Speaker 1>I had to like argue to try and get back.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's this legislation, I think as well, this is

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<v Speaker 1>actually really important for mob to know that if work

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<v Speaker 1>are not allowing you to go home for sorry business,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a clause kind of thing that's like they can't

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<v Speaker 1>stop aboriginal tosun to people from performing cultural practice. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll try and find it and i'll put it from

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<v Speaker 1>the resources.

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<v Speaker 2>But like it's probably a part of the discrimination Act.

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<v Speaker 1>Right it is, yeah, or there's something else. It's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't. So we kind of argued that because sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>business is cultural protocol, and they let us in during COVID. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>I got isolated. I was organizing my sister's funeral, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, I realized I was like, Wow, if

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<v Speaker 1>this is really hard and difficult for me, who you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty financially able, pretty clearly like intellectually and mentally stable,

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<v Speaker 1>how hard would this be for other mob who are

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<v Speaker 1>in that position?

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<v Speaker 3>And so I was like, well, surely there's a place where.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that they have like funeral directors and places

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<v Speaker 1>that organize funerals and.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff like that. That amasatz duds.

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<v Speaker 1>But they rip off and I think, like my mum

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<v Speaker 1>and Nan don't even have a didn't sorry, didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a gravestone until I got one in Yeah ten grand each, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like thirty grand. Then I've had to walk out

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<v Speaker 1>just for a fucking stone. It's like this is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I thought about starting like a business

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<v Speaker 1>that looked after that process for mob and actually like

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<v Speaker 1>worked with a you know, like a gravestone provider.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a funeral home or like more just for like gravestones.

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<v Speaker 3>Both. Okay, like this support as well.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how there is the funeral company called White

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<v Speaker 2>Lady Funerals. Yeah, yours could be called Black Lady Funerals.

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<v Speaker 1>But for real or like there's like all these names

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<v Speaker 1>like the or the and I feel like.

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<v Speaker 3>They just rip you off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah they do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I that's partly why I did party was

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why I also wanted to do celebrates so

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<v Speaker 1>I can do funerals too.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. My my brother's funeral, I helped do a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of that, like organized a lot of that. It was

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<v Speaker 2>his birthday yesterday actually, so yeah, that was you know

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<v Speaker 2>a tough day for my dad and I was on

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<v Speaker 2>the phone to him a lot yesterday and this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, my brother's funeral. The funeral director who looked

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<v Speaker 2>after his funeral was an absolute dud, to the point

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<v Speaker 2>where we're halfway carrying the casket from the car to

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<v Speaker 2>the graveside and there was no direction of like where

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<v Speaker 2>to go, what to do, Like he was legit like

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<v Speaker 2>giving us nothing, like no assistance at all. And I

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<v Speaker 2>just remember saying to him, like yelling at him at

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<v Speaker 2>the funeral, what did you say? I said, Tim, what

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<v Speaker 2>are we doing? Like he need what we needed? Guidance

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<v Speaker 2>you know of where we're putting the casket, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean? And there was just none of that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just remember feeling really frustrated and at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, like we actually didn't pay him

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<v Speaker 2>the full amount because of his services what we got.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I first arrived at the funeral home, my

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<v Speaker 2>brother was in a cardboard box, a cardboard fucking box.

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<v Speaker 2>And it makes me really sad to think about that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I remember when I got there, Yeah, and his

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<v Speaker 2>body was like almost contorted because it was a female

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<v Speaker 2>like casket. It was so small, and I remember looking

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<v Speaker 2>at him and thinking like, oh, his feet were like this,

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<v Speaker 2>like it was disgusting. And I was like, take me

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<v Speaker 2>to where the caskets are, and so he walked me

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<v Speaker 2>out to this like garage and there were all these

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful caskets and he had my brother in this like

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<v Speaker 2>like it was literally a cardboard box, like plywood and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like to him, I want this one, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was the nicest one. It was redwood, gold handles,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was like, you can't afford that, Like gobsmacked.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, my brother is going in that. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like I think it was like a five thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollar casket or four and a half grand, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>the one that he was in was like a thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>But he, because we're black, follows, he legit thought we

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<v Speaker 2>could only afford the cheapest. And it was literally a

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<v Speaker 2>cardboard box. And the directions that we gave him were

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<v Speaker 2>that we wanted a white casket and all the all

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<v Speaker 2>the kids, we're gonna put their handprints on it. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>we got that and this like white fucking cardboard box.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, you guys got the paint, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>put your handprints on it. I'm like, my brother is

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<v Speaker 2>in like a woman's casket. Like it was like a

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<v Speaker 2>female like small body casket. And then I went on

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<v Speaker 2>to the website and he had done this to so

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<v Speaker 2>many families, like the reviews. But there's only that funeral

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<v Speaker 2>provider in the town, you know, Yeah, there's no one else.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a funeral home and they have all the

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<v Speaker 2>business in town, and he's really old, like he's been

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<v Speaker 2>doing it for years. But I think he's like past

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<v Speaker 2>his expiry date. Maybe he should be in the cask. No,

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<v Speaker 2>but it just made me so angry. So when I

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<v Speaker 2>ended up paying the invoys for the funeral, I remember,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, he put in something like services funeral services,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was an amount, and I like, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I paid like seventy percent of it, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you do not deserve the full amount. That's good that

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<v Speaker 2>time with the family. You're supposed to take care of them,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think you're providing a service where you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to help like that process easier for the family. Totally,

0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:52.240
<v Speaker 1>you're not really or actually contributing, which is actually quite

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<v Speaker 1>harmful and not really a service that you should be

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<v Speaker 1>advocating for.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to know how fucking like odd this funeral

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<v Speaker 2>home is. He said there was a girl who was

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<v Speaker 2>communicating with us when we got there. He said that

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<v Speaker 2>she quit because he got angry at her for doing

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<v Speaker 2>dowies in the hearse at the funeral car. Supposedly she

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<v Speaker 2>was doing dowies in the hearse And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what is this fucking funeral home, Like what are we

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<v Speaker 2>talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that was a request from the friend family, like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe the person.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe the person that was No.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually don't think there was a body in hers.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she took it for a spin around town.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh fucking honestly.

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<v Speaker 3>Culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Culture, there's other parts to culture that that I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I missed out on, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>And I feel like when I was a young kid,

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<v Speaker 2>I always felt like something was missing. I always felt like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>like there was a part of myself. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>that that comes from the fact that my dad had

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<v Speaker 2>left when I was very little and the whole story

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<v Speaker 2>of him being dead. And I always felt like this

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<v Speaker 2>sense of loss because of that, even though it was false,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And so I remember my younger years always

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<v Speaker 2>feeling like something was missing. And then as I grew

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<v Speaker 2>up and got to meet my dad, meet my Aboriginal

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<v Speaker 2>side of my family, and like connect with the mob,

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like their experience, they were gypped of their culture.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of the stuff, yeah, they didn't get to learn.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't get to learn, like the stories that my

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<v Speaker 2>dad tells me of like a segregated town and like

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<v Speaker 2>the black fellows were only allowed to live on the mission,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And when my dad was in school, he

0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:38.680
<v Speaker 2>was allowed to be in school, he had to go

0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.320
<v Speaker 2>to school, but he wasn't allowed to learn. They would

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<v Speaker 2>put the black fellows up the back, the white kids

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<v Speaker 2>at the front. The black kids were just singled out

0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.920
<v Speaker 2>and always embarrassed. My dad has stories where he was

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<v Speaker 2>like taken to the front of assembly where teachers were

0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:53.440
<v Speaker 2>looking through their hair and knits in front of the

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<v Speaker 2>whole school. I think there's a big part of my

0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.000
<v Speaker 2>dad and there's a big part of grief that comes

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<v Speaker 2>with that that is like intergenerate you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I also have that feeling with intergenerational

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<v Speaker 1>shame as well. My nat used to tell the same

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<v Speaker 1>similar stories, and I also have had that experience of

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<v Speaker 1>being singled out and sort of ostracized. I feel like

0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.280
<v Speaker 1>you and I because of those experiences was obviously we

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<v Speaker 1>change the narrative, which is so good, But sometimes I

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<v Speaker 1>also get a little bit sad too about it, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think there are also moments with our young people

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<v Speaker 1>that that's still partly happening and in communities, and I

0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.640
<v Speaker 1>get like a bit angry and a bit like he

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<v Speaker 1>be GB because I just don't want anyone to ever

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<v Speaker 1>experience that, that feeling of being robbed or losing, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, language is one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>I get so upset about that I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, do you feel the same way. Yeah. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the things about the Cammillary language is that there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of it, you know, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>it still documented and out there. There are courses for

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<v Speaker 2>the Camillary language, and I don't think a lot of

0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.360
<v Speaker 2>First Nations people have that, you know, like I feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>especially on the East Coast, there's obviously a big impact

0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:35.040
<v Speaker 2>of colonization here, you know, Gadigaul and through New South

0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Wales is like there's a heavy impact of colonization in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of cultural loss and language loss. If you look

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<v Speaker 2>towards the more remote rural communities, of course, a lot

0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:48.840
<v Speaker 2>of their languages are still intact and they speak the language,

0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:53.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, but a lot of mob here don't. Yeah,

0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.480
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of Camillary mob don't speak the language.

0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.720
<v Speaker 2>But it is documented. There's a lot of documentation of

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<v Speaker 2>the language and it's something that I've always wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>do because there's the course at redfern Our Community Center

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<v Speaker 2>for Commitllerary Language, and I felt like I've always wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. Ani Duly what's her last name? She

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<v Speaker 2>I used to work for a company called Young Mob.

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<v Speaker 2>It's part of World Vision, like with youth, and she

0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:16.919
<v Speaker 2>was a part of that. She was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>founding members of this youth program, and she teaches language

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<v Speaker 2>at the Red Fern Community Center. And I've always wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do it because I feel like language is a

0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.119
<v Speaker 2>deep sense of connection with who you are, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and if you can try to integrate it in

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<v Speaker 1>your daily life, like it just feels I feel more

0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:41.560
<v Speaker 1>connected if I am. Do you know our language, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, we were really lucky, I think in

0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.080
<v Speaker 1>a weird sense. I don't think lucky is the word,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think colonization obviously happened this side and then

0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:57.479
<v Speaker 1>they sort of, you know, moved across. But like I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like our culture in WA is still very rich

0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:06.240
<v Speaker 1>and still very like there. I don't know, I feel

0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:10.200
<v Speaker 1>like we do have that closer connection than over east here.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye when I speak to mob here, like that is

0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.760
<v Speaker 1>a true disconnect where when I go home, it's like.

0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.919
<v Speaker 3>It's there, the words are there, and integrated totally. So

0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.000
<v Speaker 3>that's I feel very I guess, like in a way

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<v Speaker 3>so lucky to be Noma.

0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Like my grandmother, I like had this little memory flashback

0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.560
<v Speaker 1>and it's my grandmother and she would yell at us

0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:39.240
<v Speaker 1>kids in English and then she would translate it. And

0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:44.200
<v Speaker 1>when she translated translated it in that's when you knew

0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.080
<v Speaker 1>you were in fucking trouble. Like it didn't have an

0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.600
<v Speaker 1>impact when it was in English, but when she translated

0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.080
<v Speaker 1>it in language, it was like you better get the

0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:53.680
<v Speaker 1>fuck home.

0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:55.879
<v Speaker 3>Knew, Yeah, he knew.

0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.399
<v Speaker 1>And I'm trying to remember what she used to say.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Nunga language is it's really beautiful. Like our

0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:09.600
<v Speaker 1>way of saying hello is like kaya and we've got

0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:15.080
<v Speaker 1>these like elongated like nonga aye and it's got like

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<v Speaker 1>no like that kind of like in your back of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Palette, like I found. I find that like like that

0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:28.640
<v Speaker 2>phrasing really hard for me because we don't have that. Yeah,

0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:32.800
<v Speaker 2>that's the gamel gamill roys a lot of are but rolling,

0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:33.399
<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's crazy how we're both first nations and people

0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:41.560
<v Speaker 1>always try to box us together.

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<v Speaker 3>But even just now, the difference in.

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<v Speaker 2>Dialect totally, totally Yeah. I was doing a project where

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<v Speaker 2>I had to say a lot of the different words,

0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:53.360
<v Speaker 2>and I was using language words, and I found it

0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:57.800
<v Speaker 2>really hard to say that. Like, and there's a dialect

0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.320
<v Speaker 2>coach but also a linguist, like a First Nation's linguist

0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:03.159
<v Speaker 2>in the room, and she'll trying to teach me. And

0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:07.080
<v Speaker 2>I found it really difficult to say language words that

0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.879
<v Speaker 2>were so like, I don't know, they're just so particular

0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.639
<v Speaker 2>in terms of like especially central desert mob you know,

0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:19.320
<v Speaker 2>like that it's like that eng sound. Yeah, I can't

0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:19.600
<v Speaker 2>do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, I think it's a very like i'd say

0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the ng sound is more like on the wa side. Yeah,

0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.119
<v Speaker 1>because I think like there are similar like the energy

0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.879
<v Speaker 1>language as well, Like because I grew up in Caernarvon

0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:37.199
<v Speaker 1>is a bit like similar to Nonga, but it's just

0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:39.520
<v Speaker 1>a bit like slanging and a bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what. When I have to pronounce like a

0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Nonga word or like a hard language word on TV,

0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.720
<v Speaker 2>I shit my pants because like I'm reading the auto

0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:50.600
<v Speaker 2>Q when I see it coming and I'm like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, Like it just stresses me out because I

0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:54.959
<v Speaker 2>don't want to butcher it because language is important and

0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.560
<v Speaker 2>it's that I always practice. I'm always in my dressing

0:20:57.640 --> 0:20:59.040
<v Speaker 2>room like trying to get it right, you know, and

0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.560
<v Speaker 2>I write it phonetically on the autocube, but sometimes I

0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:03.080
<v Speaker 2>just think, oh, did I say it right?

0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Like is this true that there's no case in the

0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:09.879
<v Speaker 1>Gamilla Roy alphabet?

0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, And even Camillarroy people say Camilla roy. You know,

0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:19.240
<v Speaker 2>Camilla Roy. That is just an English way of saying

0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:19.920
<v Speaker 2>gamill roy.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's just to give pronunciation.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that with translation. So when they were

0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:33.240
<v Speaker 2>documenting mobs and tribes and language, they documented it as kery.

0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:37.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's lost in translation. But there's Gamillroy, Gomroy,

0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:42.800
<v Speaker 2>Gamilla Ray, Camilla Roys. Four ways to say my tribe.

0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's like there's different ways of spelling, but like

0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:51.760
<v Speaker 1>we sometimes have to put the y in there so

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<v Speaker 1>that people know that that's a yeah like sound yeah yeah,

0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:03.080
<v Speaker 1>like so because like I just say, oh, I'm just longer,

0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:05.320
<v Speaker 1>and I would spell it and double o n g R,

0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:10.359
<v Speaker 1>but sometimes you would don't understand that pronunciation, so they

0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:12.480
<v Speaker 1>put it and why U n g R.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you ever see that video that was like flab

0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:18.840
<v Speaker 2>jaba and long? Where did that come from?

0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:19.919
<v Speaker 3>That was a vine.

0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where did that flight? It was that flajava? Where

0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:24.320
<v Speaker 2>did that come from?

0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:27.400
<v Speaker 3>It was just this old follow He was just saying. No,

0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:29.720
<v Speaker 3>actually that was like a guy taking.

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<v Speaker 2>The piss oh was it?

0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.720
<v Speaker 1>But then I think mob like took on the sound

0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:36.760
<v Speaker 1>as a joke because you know, we make.

0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:39.439
<v Speaker 2>Trauma claim it.

0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:44.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that's I think Uncle Ernie Dingo once said

0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:50.760
<v Speaker 1>that he's like make light and comedy sometimes and when

0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:55.280
<v Speaker 1>people see like you're not being so serious and you know,

0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:58.600
<v Speaker 1>taking the piss out of yourself, it can't hurt, it can't.

0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:01.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, you don't let it like penetrate you.

0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my words today penetrate. But I wanted to ask

0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:09.760
<v Speaker 2>you something because this is like a like a thing

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:13.200
<v Speaker 2>that always crosses my mind. Like as First Nations people,

0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:15.720
<v Speaker 2>we try and share as much as our as ourselves

0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:19.439
<v Speaker 2>and culture so that we you know, can not earn respect,

0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:23.360
<v Speaker 2>but can gather like an understanding of who we are

0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:26.159
<v Speaker 2>from the wider community. Right, And I always feel like

0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:30.879
<v Speaker 2>acknowledgement some countries should be done by someone who isn't

0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:35.159
<v Speaker 2>First Nations over someone who is First Nations. What are

0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:37.399
<v Speaker 2>your thoughts on that? Because whenever someone says to me,

0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:40.720
<v Speaker 2>can you do any acknowledgment? I always think to myself.

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<v Speaker 3>You can do it.

0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Why don't you do it?

0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:42.640
<v Speaker 3>Well?

0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Am I? Why do I have to acknowledge? You should

0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:46.000
<v Speaker 2>be acknowledging? You know.

0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:50.920
<v Speaker 3>I think welcomes should be done by MOB, and.

0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I think that they should be paid for their service

0:23:54.520 --> 0:24:01.600
<v Speaker 1>m because compensation, time, effort, language, culture, culture. I think acknowledgments.

0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:04.240
<v Speaker 1>If you don't want to pay for an actual proper welcome,

0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:08.359
<v Speaker 1>you can do an acknowledgment that's equally as respectful, but

0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:10.640
<v Speaker 1>it should be done by.

0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Someone outside of our community. Yeah. I agree too. I've

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.520
<v Speaker 2>been asked in many acknowledgments and I'm like, you know, fuck, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>An out for me for fucking twenty twenty five doing acknowledgments.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, get fuck, I'm not acknowledged. I've been here

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<v Speaker 3>your mom.

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<v Speaker 1>And nah for real, though, I have a responsibility and

0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:43.880
<v Speaker 1>accountability that I put on myself to represent MOB, and

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<v Speaker 1>if I don't feel like it's something that MOB would

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<v Speaker 1>be happy me doing in a situation or a scenario

0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:53.960
<v Speaker 1>like I wouldn't do it, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not saying acknowledgments.

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<v Speaker 1>Are that, but if I have had a conversation and

0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:03.119
<v Speaker 1>it's made me feel like icky and like not good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, I'd just be like no, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I feel like I have taken opportunities to

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<v Speaker 2>do acknowledgment so that I could say more than an acknowledgment,

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 2>like honestly.

0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like you always do that he's rogue.

0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, I actually like to like teaching

0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:25.400
<v Speaker 2>them something, you know, Like for me, it's important that,

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<v Speaker 2>like if I'm asked to do an acknowledgment, I see

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:31.639
<v Speaker 2>it as an opportunity to give something else, you know

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:33.720
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, It's not just the acknowledgment. So it's like,

0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:36.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe teach them what Gadigel means if I'm doing an

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledgment on this country.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I love that about you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, whether it's like that what Gadigel means, or whether

0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 2>it's like that it's a part of you know, twenty

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:47.000
<v Speaker 2>six clans within the ur nation, you know what I mean.

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:49.159
<v Speaker 3>So Bondai means Bundy.

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<v Speaker 2>Bundi, yeah, and you know Gadigl means people of the

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:55.159
<v Speaker 2>grass tree. That one's not gully at the end of

0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:59.239
<v Speaker 2>a word is people of Yeah. So if you hear

0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:03.399
<v Speaker 2>Camago people of the high water that's North Sydney. Kiribilly

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<v Speaker 2>is a good fishing spot.

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<v Speaker 3>Up.

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<v Speaker 1>In our language, anything with up is water water. Yeah,

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 1>so like yelling up, yeah, dwelling up.

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:15.120
<v Speaker 3>They're all water places.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I learned a lot about this, like the urination,

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:23.080
<v Speaker 2>from doing that project with Wesley Enock. But I also

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:25.439
<v Speaker 2>love that I know much, like much more about this

0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 2>place because I live here, you know, and this place

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:31.000
<v Speaker 2>has been welcoming to not just more, but so many people.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this is a hub for the world, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, Like it's a meeting place Sydney.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel very like glad that there are people like

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:42.960
<v Speaker 1>you out there that are taking those little moments kind

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:47.000
<v Speaker 1>of like you know, a majority would be non indigenous people. Yeah, yeah,

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, and then they take away that one thing

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 1>and that's like.

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<v Speaker 3>A ripple effect.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that because I think that's really special and

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<v Speaker 1>I think even some things that you have said to

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<v Speaker 1>me have stuck with me. And I am not from here, right,

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm a visitor to Sydney, but I feel like I'm

0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 1>more connected because I know that stuff, which is why

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 1>that's your intention of what and why you're doing.

0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 2>It, which is cool.

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes we want that responsibility not to always fall on us,

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:17.720
<v Speaker 1>and we want other people to actually do the same

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:21.360
<v Speaker 1>and contribute and then pass knowledge on because I think

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 1>shared knowledge is powerful. I really think that that's what

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 1>we kind of started this podcast and have connected so

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:32.920
<v Speaker 1>well on because I came late into my culture and

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:37.000
<v Speaker 1>in a sense, I was so connected being in community

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 1>up until eleven, but I didn't know anything about my

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Nunga culture. Like I'd grown up with a Nunga mother

0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:45.639
<v Speaker 1>and grandmother and they used to speak language, but I

0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:48.159
<v Speaker 1>thought it was Yamogy because I was on Yamaging country.

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Like everyone used to just think that we were Yamagy mob.

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:54.399
<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't until my mum and grandmother died that

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:56.639
<v Speaker 1>I went back to Perth to live with my dad

0:27:57.280 --> 0:28:00.160
<v Speaker 1>that when I was at a school event, like a

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 1>an Aboriginal tutoring event, that this Aboriginal auntie she goes, oh,

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 1>who's your mob, And I said, I'm My last name's Blurton.

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 3>And then she's like, oh, I know all your Nonga

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 3>mob and I.

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Was like, oh, oh, yeah, that's right. My grandmother's Noma.

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:21.679
<v Speaker 1>And this is like when I was like still like

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 1>about eleven or twelve. I'm pretty sure, Like I was enrolled.

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was like still same year my mom passed. Yeah,

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 3>so I was eleven and.

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:31.959
<v Speaker 1>She could just put it straight away together with like

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.119
<v Speaker 1>just my last name, and I thought that was just

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:36.200
<v Speaker 1>so fucking epic, like howful.

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 3>I want to be one of those aunties that are

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 3>doing that year.

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.960
<v Speaker 2>You know what my my my big Camillary last name,

0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 2>like my name's last name is weather Ll, and that's

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 2>one of the biggest Kimillroy families. So if you ever

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 2>hear weather All, you know their Camilla Y same thing,

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, Blurton weather Ll, Kimilla Roy. It's big family.

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:58.480
<v Speaker 2>So my nn my matriarchal side of my lineage or

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 2>weather All, and my pop is a meals So Queensland mop.

0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 2>So I'm Korean Murray Nice, I'm a cool Murray. But

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you as we wrap this up,

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 2>what's your favorite thing about being a black father. Why

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 2>do you love being an Aboriginal? Why do you love

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 2>being an Aboriginal?

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Literally, there are actually so many parts of me that

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 1>I love, and when I think about my English heritage,

0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 1>I just don't think really entails who I am. Which

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 1>is so like it is who I am because obviously

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 1>it runs my blood yeap. But I think for me,

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 1>like I have always been so connected to a lot

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 1>of things in terms of I love country like I

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 1>love feeling the sand in my toes. I love the

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 1>ocean like I love that sort of feeling when I

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 1>am there and experiencing like in being in nature. Like

0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I know it wholeheartedly that I have that connection. I

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 1>can I can yeah, like I can zone out. I

0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:09.479
<v Speaker 1>can zone out people's voices and I can hear everything

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>around me. And I think that is a really powerful

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 1>connection that I have, and I think that really does

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:14.840
<v Speaker 1>come from.

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 3>My first nation's culture.

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Beautiful.

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I think I do have, like you know, that social

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 1>emotional wellbeing WILL that I talk about all the time.

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:28.160
<v Speaker 1>I know it's like a little I'm like I would

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 1>describe myself like it's like my center and that's like

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 1>my little pieces and that entails like connection to ancestry

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:43.400
<v Speaker 1>and kinship, connection to culture and community, connection to oneself.

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Like I just think there's not one thing that I

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:49.360
<v Speaker 1>love about being black. It's all of those things.

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 3>And I think like for me, I just love that.

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>I also like it's kind of like being part of

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:58.840
<v Speaker 1>a VIP club that you like, this side.

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Is so much better VIP very indigenous.

0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:05.120
<v Speaker 3>People literally like being on this side is like the best.

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 3>So I think, like I.

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:12.240
<v Speaker 1>Look at people who are you know, Australian or like why,

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 1>and I think I feel partly like sorry for you

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:18.479
<v Speaker 1>that you don't have this type of connection or this

0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 1>type of like belonging because I think the whole world,

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 1>like I think humans as a race.

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:27.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I'm going real like deep for a second.

0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 3>But one question, it says you fucking half this podcast.

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:33.040
<v Speaker 3>Is you chatting? Motherfucker?

0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:37.239
<v Speaker 2>I said nothing, please this woman, I reckon, what's your

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:39.880
<v Speaker 2>favorite part of being Aboriginal? Forty six years later, we

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 2>still are.

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 3>That's that's probably it. The yarns.

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we love you do there you go? Noah, I

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 2>keep going. I want to hear more.

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 3>Everyone in this world everything black, black.

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 2>Everyone in this world. This is the biggest.

0:31:55.880 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 3>Yellow, purple, green, Alphaba Glinda.

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Their whole thing, right, Their motivations or they want in

0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 1>the world is to.

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Belong see no, truly truly.

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Now he's been a parrot, motherfucker.

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:19.560
<v Speaker 2>No, but belonging is at the core of.

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 1>One and you know why I love being black is

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>because I belong to something and someone and a community

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:28.040
<v Speaker 1>she belongs to.

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 3>What's your favorite thing about.

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, the other day I went and got a massage

0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:37.560
<v Speaker 2>and it was really lovely. Laying down, you know, this

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 2>lovely tire woman is walking on my back and like

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 2>she's little, but she's up there. She's like full on

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 2>like on my back. And at the end of the massage,

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 2>I was in my zen mode and she says, where

0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 2>are you from? And I said, I'm Aboriginal. She goes,

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 2>You're not gonna believe this, she ges, but you're white

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:00.720
<v Speaker 2>and you don't have a big knows.

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 3>That's so rude.

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 2>It's so racist, so rude. She had no like she

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 2>didn't know she was being racist, and she was not

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 2>trying to be She was like innocent, but like in

0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 2>her mind she sees a very specific gimage as an

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Aboriginal person. She's just Skinna's white. And I was like,

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 2>this woman I think has no like understanding of like

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 2>the complexity how different we are as people like First

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Nations people, Aboriginal people, and also the complexities of identity

0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:38.480
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to skin color. So when she said that,

0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 2>I honestly, when she called me white, I was so offended.

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 2>And that's when I knew. That was the moment where

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, I have no connection

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 2>to my white side. It is like it's something that

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 2>that I'm shunned, like like I want to shun I'm like, oh,

0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 2>she caught me white, Like. I was so offended by

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 2>that because I don't feel connected to that part.

0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:02.600
<v Speaker 3>Of me truly.

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 1>And I think when I had to do the school

0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 1>thing and I had to acknowledge and do like an

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:10.200
<v Speaker 1>assessment and like learn about my British identity, I felt

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 1>so icky. I felt like like I just couldn't. I

0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:19.279
<v Speaker 1>was like, no, my white dad, who's the British ade

0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:22.879
<v Speaker 1>has probably caused me more trauma than anything, like, and

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 1>people think that original people are fucking problematic.

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:27.759
<v Speaker 3>Fuck you, Okay, let's go.

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Well that's all we have time for today.

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:32.839
<v Speaker 1>No, but yeah, I do feel a bit icky when

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:35.360
<v Speaker 1>I have to. But you know, if you don't acknowledge

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:36.720
<v Speaker 1>all of you, you won't.

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 3>Accept all of you.

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 1>I hope people have been listening to this and being

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:43.399
<v Speaker 1>like not thinking that when we hate hate white people,

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 1>we love our white friends.

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I've got white friends I.

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Know, imagine a world where it was like all black

0:34:53.080 --> 0:35:00.080
<v Speaker 1>people and the white people with a majority minority minority.

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well you know what I think. I say it

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 2>all the time, but the thing I'm most proud of

0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 2>in my life is being Aboriginal. Well that's all we

0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 2>have time for today. If you love what, you're here

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:13.840
<v Speaker 2>to leave us a little rating in a little review,

0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 2>and maybe a black your own red.

0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:18.839
<v Speaker 1>Heart ifyone wants to cover anything on the pod, reach

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 1>out by our socials. My handle is that brooked up

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<v Speaker 1>burden Maddis is that it's Man and Mills. We'll see

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<v Speaker 1>you next Bye bye,