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Speaker 1: Welcome to first things first, I'm Broogletting. My pronouns are
Speaker 1: she huh.
Speaker 2: I'm Maddie Miles. My pronouns are he and him. And
Speaker 2: before we get started with like to acknowledge the traditional
Speaker 2: custodians of the land on which we record, and that's.
Speaker 3: The Gallicol people of the year or nation.
Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Why laughing at.
Speaker 1: Me, Maddie and I feel like we're going back in
Speaker 1: times of times. So he's opening up he invisit line container,
Speaker 1: which is so funny.
Speaker 2: Because in a case, it really it's like.
Speaker 3: It is like these teeth.
Speaker 2: And now that I've finished my coffee, I'm going to
Speaker 2: put my little nice, beautiful retainers. So I'm gonna pop
Speaker 2: them in. Do you want to hear? Okay, so this
Speaker 2: is me putting my invisiline retain it back in.
Speaker 3: No, I don't need to.
Speaker 2: Oh you can't really hear it.
Speaker 1: It's okay, so disgusting. I cannot believe this. That isn't that, Rachel.
Speaker 1: That's an out for late and you're going to talk
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have like.
Speaker 2: A little everyone. No, I'm kidding, but this week I
Speaker 2: got my biziline, so I've kicked off the inbizzline. Obviously,
Speaker 2: I can hear myself that little lisp that I have.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: Can you just pull yourself back from the mic because
Speaker 3: it's gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you've had a visil It sounds so bad.
Speaker 2: I need to take these out.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't know why you put them in. I
Speaker 3: always have mine.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to have them forever, so it's
Speaker 2: like I will have them in every minute.
Speaker 3: I haven't had them forever, but.
Speaker 2: I will have them in as many minutes as I
Speaker 2: can in.
Speaker 1: Okay, anyways, anyway, but actually talking about teeth, I know
Speaker 1: this is like two things that are weird, but like
Speaker 1: growing up, I had really like it's so weird now
Speaker 1: that I have like straight teeth, Like I look in
Speaker 1: the mirror and I actually really like my smile even
Speaker 1: though it's like not completely finished yet, Like my.
Speaker 2: Your teeth are straight now. Yeah, but they were gay.
Speaker 3: Before they were very gay. They were literally like fighting
Speaker 3: to death.
Speaker 1: No, I had this really big gap in the middle
Speaker 1: when I was nine years old. I had a gap
Speaker 1: in the middle of my teeth that I could fit
Speaker 1: a two dollar coin in the middle.
Speaker 2: No, for real, where are the photos because.
Speaker 3: I've only got one photo the original.
Speaker 1: I've like scribbled over my mouth because I hated it
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 2: Was it that whide was so big? Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: isn't that did you? Was that like your party trick?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Kind of look like I can do. I've got a
Speaker 2: quain slot between what parties?
Speaker 3: I was nine years old.
Speaker 2: I don't know going to your little kids parties. But
Speaker 2: I was a loser.
Speaker 3: NEI did anything.
Speaker 2: I was poor, Yeah, because you couldn't take a present,
Speaker 2: so you wouldn't go.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I actually never got invited because I was
Speaker 1: so lame.
Speaker 3: I guess come on, no, oh god, how far have
Speaker 3: we come?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah? For real, though you don't have any gaps
Speaker 2: in your teeth anymore.
Speaker 3: This is like such a surreal thing.
Speaker 1: I U believe this video last week about thirty one
Speaker 1: days until I'm like, actually thirty, and I was like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, I can't believe this is happening, Like this
Speaker 1: is crazy, Like that's all we have for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Oh when this year has to have been the quickest year,
Speaker 2: I feel like it just flew by.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's something about like time that's like
Speaker 2: starting to freak me out as I get older a
Speaker 2: little bit, because I'm like.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like it's going slower?
Speaker 2: Well? The thing that breaks me out is when I
Speaker 2: think about thirty and then I think of another thirty
Speaker 2: years and that's sixty. Yeah, And I feel like the
Speaker 2: first thirty went really quick, so I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: going to get to sixty in no time, and I'm
Speaker 2: breaking out about that.
Speaker 3: And then you have to start thinking about death and retirement.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yes, I'm like, bar do you think of.
Speaker 3: Do you guys ever think about dying? I don't know where,
Speaker 3: I's just that.
Speaker 2: I'm just dying to dance. Well, speaking of death.
Speaker 3: Is going.
Speaker 2: It's a great no. But when I was on my
Speaker 2: way here, my dad called me and he was having
Speaker 2: biggest yarns. It's nine o'clock in the morning, and he
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about funeral plans. Oh that's sad, and
Speaker 2: I understand it's an important conversation. But there's many black
Speaker 2: fellows who would know this. There are Aboriginal funeral plans
Speaker 2: that a lot of mob paid for through their pension
Speaker 2: or through their government benefit, through a company that went bust.
Speaker 2: So now there are all these mob who have paid
Speaker 2: thousands of dollars for their funeral cover that don't have
Speaker 2: any funeral cover. My dad included wow and an ITV's
Speaker 2: on a big like yarn on this big story. But
Speaker 2: there was a funeral insurance company, and there's so many
Speaker 2: mob like I would hundreds of thousands of mob who
Speaker 2: paid for their funeral cover that don't have cover anymore.
Speaker 2: They went bust, and the government needs to fucking step
Speaker 2: in and cover the costs. I feel like I actually.
Speaker 1: Thought about this when I was organizing, because I've organized
Speaker 1: three funerals in my life.
Speaker 2: It's a lot crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, culture culture culture culture Gil.
Speaker 3: Because neither my fan they did either.
Speaker 1: So when we when I was like eleven and I
Speaker 1: was helping my auntie at the time, my only Brenda,
Speaker 1: who was organizing my mum's funeral.
Speaker 3: Which I pretty much did, like I wrote out the
Speaker 3: eulogy like.
Speaker 1: There were so many spelling mistakes, but we were we
Speaker 1: weren't hold that again.
Speaker 2: A lot, so.
Speaker 1: Picking flowers and caskets and then songs and like I
Speaker 1: guess like poems and stuff like that, and like it
Speaker 1: was in the church, so it was very unusual. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought about this because I and then my nana's
Speaker 1: and then my sisters and my sisters was probably a
Speaker 1: little bit closer to home because I think I was
Speaker 1: pretty isolated in COVID because I was in a Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was literally in an airbnb.
Speaker 2: In Surrey Hills.
Speaker 3: No no, no, this was in Perth.
Speaker 1: So I finished the bachelorette back to per Earth, which
Speaker 1: I had to like argue to try and get back.
Speaker 1: So there's this legislation, I think as well, this is
Speaker 1: actually really important for mob to know that if work
Speaker 1: are not allowing you to go home for sorry business,
Speaker 1: there's a clause kind of thing that's like they can't
Speaker 1: stop aboriginal tosun to people from performing cultural practice. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll try and find it and i'll put it from
Speaker 1: the resources.
Speaker 2: But like it's probably a part of the discrimination Act.
Speaker 1: Right it is, yeah, or there's something else. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't. So we kind of argued that because sorry,
Speaker 1: business is cultural protocol, and they let us in during COVID. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I got isolated. I was organizing my sister's funeral, and
Speaker 1: then you know, I realized I was like, Wow, if
Speaker 1: this is really hard and difficult for me, who you know,
Speaker 1: is pretty financially able, pretty clearly like intellectually and mentally stable,
Speaker 1: how hard would this be for other mob who are
Speaker 1: in that position?
Speaker 3: And so I was like, well, surely there's a place where.
Speaker 1: I know that they have like funeral directors and places
Speaker 1: that organize funerals and.
Speaker 2: Stuff like that. That amasatz duds.
Speaker 1: But they rip off and I think, like my mum
Speaker 1: and Nan don't even have a didn't sorry, didn't have
Speaker 1: a gravestone until I got one in Yeah ten grand each, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like thirty grand. Then I've had to walk out
Speaker 1: just for a fucking stone. It's like this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I feel like I thought about starting like a business
Speaker 1: that looked after that process for mob and actually like
Speaker 1: worked with a you know, like a gravestone provider.
Speaker 2: Like a funeral home or like more just for like gravestones.
Speaker 3: Both. Okay, like this support as well.
Speaker 2: You know how there is the funeral company called White
Speaker 2: Lady Funerals. Yeah, yours could be called Black Lady Funerals.
Speaker 1: But for real or like there's like all these names
Speaker 1: like the or the and I feel like.
Speaker 3: They just rip you off.
Speaker 2: Yeah they do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I that's partly why I did party was
Speaker 1: the reason why I also wanted to do celebrates so
Speaker 1: I can do funerals too.
Speaker 2: Well. My my brother's funeral, I helped do a lot
Speaker 2: of that, like organized a lot of that. It was
Speaker 2: his birthday yesterday actually, so yeah, that was you know
Speaker 2: a tough day for my dad and I was on
Speaker 2: the phone to him a lot yesterday and this morning.
Speaker 2: But yeah, my brother's funeral. The funeral director who looked
Speaker 2: after his funeral was an absolute dud, to the point
Speaker 2: where we're halfway carrying the casket from the car to
Speaker 2: the graveside and there was no direction of like where
Speaker 2: to go, what to do, Like he was legit like
Speaker 2: giving us nothing, like no assistance at all. And I
Speaker 2: just remember saying to him, like yelling at him at
Speaker 2: the funeral, what did you say? I said, Tim, what
Speaker 2: are we doing? Like he need what we needed? Guidance
Speaker 2: you know of where we're putting the casket, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? And there was just none of that,
Speaker 2: and I just remember feeling really frustrated and at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, like we actually didn't pay him
Speaker 2: the full amount because of his services what we got.
Speaker 2: So when I first arrived at the funeral home, my
Speaker 2: brother was in a cardboard box, a cardboard fucking box.
Speaker 2: And it makes me really sad to think about that,
Speaker 2: but I remember when I got there, Yeah, and his
Speaker 2: body was like almost contorted because it was a female
Speaker 2: like casket. It was so small, and I remember looking
Speaker 2: at him and thinking like, oh, his feet were like this,
Speaker 2: like it was disgusting. And I was like, take me
Speaker 2: to where the caskets are, and so he walked me
Speaker 2: out to this like garage and there were all these
Speaker 2: beautiful caskets and he had my brother in this like
Speaker 2: like it was literally a cardboard box, like plywood and
Speaker 2: I was like to him, I want this one, and
Speaker 2: it was the nicest one. It was redwood, gold handles,
Speaker 2: and he was like, you can't afford that, Like gobsmacked.
Speaker 2: I was like, my brother is going in that. It
Speaker 2: was like I think it was like a five thousand
Speaker 2: dollar casket or four and a half grand, right, and
Speaker 2: the one that he was in was like a thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: But he, because we're black, follows, he legit thought we
Speaker 2: could only afford the cheapest. And it was literally a
Speaker 2: cardboard box. And the directions that we gave him were
Speaker 2: that we wanted a white casket and all the all
Speaker 2: the kids, we're gonna put their handprints on it. Right,
Speaker 2: we got that and this like white fucking cardboard box.
Speaker 2: He was like, you guys got the paint, you're gonna
Speaker 2: put your handprints on it. I'm like, my brother is
Speaker 2: in like a woman's casket. Like it was like a
Speaker 2: female like small body casket. And then I went on
Speaker 2: to the website and he had done this to so
Speaker 2: many families, like the reviews. But there's only that funeral
Speaker 2: provider in the town, you know, Yeah, there's no one else.
Speaker 2: They have a funeral home and they have all the
Speaker 2: business in town, and he's really old, like he's been
Speaker 2: doing it for years. But I think he's like past
Speaker 2: his expiry date. Maybe he should be in the cask. No,
Speaker 2: but it just made me so angry. So when I
Speaker 2: ended up paying the invoys for the funeral, I remember,
Speaker 2: I was like, he put in something like services funeral services,
Speaker 2: and there was an amount, and I like, I think
Speaker 2: I paid like seventy percent of it, and I was like,
Speaker 2: you do not deserve the full amount. That's good that
Speaker 2: time with the family. You're supposed to take care of them,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you're providing a service where you're trying
Speaker 1: to help like that process easier for the family. Totally,
Speaker 1: you're not really or actually contributing, which is actually quite
Speaker 1: harmful and not really a service that you should be
Speaker 1: advocating for.
Speaker 2: You want to know how fucking like odd this funeral
Speaker 2: home is. He said there was a girl who was
Speaker 2: communicating with us when we got there. He said that
Speaker 2: she quit because he got angry at her for doing
Speaker 2: dowies in the hearse at the funeral car. Supposedly she
Speaker 2: was doing dowies in the hearse And I was like,
Speaker 2: what is this fucking funeral home, Like what are we
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 1: Maybe that was a request from the friend family, like
Speaker 1: maybe maybe the person.
Speaker 3: Maybe the person that was No.
Speaker 2: I actually don't think there was a body in hers.
Speaker 2: I think she took it for a spin around town.
Speaker 2: Oh fucking honestly.
Speaker 3: Culture.
Speaker 2: Culture, there's other parts to culture that that I feel
Speaker 2: like I missed out on, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I feel like when I was a young kid,
Speaker 2: I always felt like something was missing. I always felt like, oh,
Speaker 2: like there was a part of myself. And I know
Speaker 2: that that comes from the fact that my dad had
Speaker 2: left when I was very little and the whole story
Speaker 2: of him being dead. And I always felt like this
Speaker 2: sense of loss because of that, even though it was false,
Speaker 2: you know. And so I remember my younger years always
Speaker 2: feeling like something was missing. And then as I grew
Speaker 2: up and got to meet my dad, meet my Aboriginal
Speaker 2: side of my family, and like connect with the mob,
Speaker 2: I felt like their experience, they were gypped of their culture.
Speaker 3: A lot of the stuff, yeah, they didn't get to learn.
Speaker 2: They didn't get to learn, like the stories that my
Speaker 2: dad tells me of like a segregated town and like
Speaker 2: the black fellows were only allowed to live on the mission,
Speaker 2: you know. And when my dad was in school, he
Speaker 2: was allowed to be in school, he had to go
Speaker 2: to school, but he wasn't allowed to learn. They would
Speaker 2: put the black fellows up the back, the white kids
Speaker 2: at the front. The black kids were just singled out
Speaker 2: and always embarrassed. My dad has stories where he was
Speaker 2: like taken to the front of assembly where teachers were
Speaker 2: looking through their hair and knits in front of the
Speaker 2: whole school. I think there's a big part of my
Speaker 2: dad and there's a big part of grief that comes
Speaker 2: with that that is like intergenerate you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I also have that feeling with intergenerational
Speaker 1: shame as well. My nat used to tell the same
Speaker 1: similar stories, and I also have had that experience of
Speaker 1: being singled out and sort of ostracized. I feel like
Speaker 1: you and I because of those experiences was obviously we
Speaker 1: change the narrative, which is so good, But sometimes I
Speaker 1: also get a little bit sad too about it, because
Speaker 1: I think there are also moments with our young people
Speaker 1: that that's still partly happening and in communities, and I
Speaker 1: get like a bit angry and a bit like he
Speaker 1: be GB because I just don't want anyone to ever
Speaker 1: experience that, that feeling of being robbed or losing, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like, language is one of the things that
Speaker 1: I get so upset about that I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, do you feel the same way. Yeah. One
Speaker 2: of the things about the Cammillary language is that there's
Speaker 2: a lot of it, you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: it still documented and out there. There are courses for
Speaker 2: the Camillary language, and I don't think a lot of
Speaker 2: First Nations people have that, you know, like I feel like,
Speaker 2: especially on the East Coast, there's obviously a big impact
Speaker 2: of colonization here, you know, Gadigaul and through New South
Speaker 2: Wales is like there's a heavy impact of colonization in
Speaker 2: terms of cultural loss and language loss. If you look
Speaker 2: towards the more remote rural communities, of course, a lot
Speaker 2: of their languages are still intact and they speak the language,
Speaker 2: you know, but a lot of mob here don't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and a lot of Camillary mob don't speak the language.
Speaker 2: But it is documented. There's a lot of documentation of
Speaker 2: the language and it's something that I've always wanted to
Speaker 2: do because there's the course at redfern Our Community Center
Speaker 2: for Commitllerary Language, and I felt like I've always wanted
Speaker 2: to do it. Ani Duly what's her last name? She
Speaker 2: I used to work for a company called Young Mob.
Speaker 2: It's part of World Vision, like with youth, and she
Speaker 2: was a part of that. She was one of the
Speaker 2: founding members of this youth program, and she teaches language
Speaker 2: at the Red Fern Community Center. And I've always wanted
Speaker 2: to do it because I feel like language is a
Speaker 2: deep sense of connection with who you are, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you can try to integrate it in
Speaker 1: your daily life, like it just feels I feel more
Speaker 1: connected if I am. Do you know our language, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like you know, we were really lucky, I think in
Speaker 1: a weird sense. I don't think lucky is the word,
Speaker 1: but I think colonization obviously happened this side and then
Speaker 1: they sort of, you know, moved across. But like I
Speaker 1: feel like our culture in WA is still very rich
Speaker 1: and still very like there. I don't know, I feel
Speaker 1: like we do have that closer connection than over east here.
Speaker 1: Ye when I speak to mob here, like that is
Speaker 1: a true disconnect where when I go home, it's like.
Speaker 3: It's there, the words are there, and integrated totally. So
Speaker 3: that's I feel very I guess, like in a way
Speaker 3: so lucky to be Noma.
Speaker 1: Like my grandmother, I like had this little memory flashback
Speaker 1: and it's my grandmother and she would yell at us
Speaker 1: kids in English and then she would translate it. And
Speaker 1: when she translated translated it in that's when you knew
Speaker 1: you were in fucking trouble. Like it didn't have an
Speaker 1: impact when it was in English, but when she translated
Speaker 1: it in language, it was like you better get the
Speaker 1: fuck home.
Speaker 3: Knew, Yeah, he knew.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to remember what she used to say.
Speaker 1: But the Nunga language is it's really beautiful. Like our
Speaker 1: way of saying hello is like kaya and we've got
Speaker 1: these like elongated like nonga aye and it's got like
Speaker 1: no like that kind of like in your back of the.
Speaker 2: Palette, like I found. I find that like like that
Speaker 2: phrasing really hard for me because we don't have that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the gamel gamill roys a lot of are but rolling,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: So it's crazy how we're both first nations and people
Speaker 1: always try to box us together.
Speaker 3: But even just now, the difference in.
Speaker 2: Dialect totally, totally Yeah. I was doing a project where
Speaker 2: I had to say a lot of the different words,
Speaker 2: and I was using language words, and I found it
Speaker 2: really hard to say that. Like, and there's a dialect
Speaker 2: coach but also a linguist, like a First Nation's linguist
Speaker 2: in the room, and she'll trying to teach me. And
Speaker 2: I found it really difficult to say language words that
Speaker 2: were so like, I don't know, they're just so particular
Speaker 2: in terms of like especially central desert mob you know,
Speaker 2: like that it's like that eng sound. Yeah, I can't
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I think it's a very like i'd say
Speaker 1: the ng sound is more like on the wa side. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think like there are similar like the energy
Speaker 1: language as well, Like because I grew up in Caernarvon
Speaker 1: is a bit like similar to Nonga, but it's just
Speaker 1: a bit like slanging and a bit different.
Speaker 2: You know what. When I have to pronounce like a
Speaker 2: Nonga word or like a hard language word on TV,
Speaker 2: I shit my pants because like I'm reading the auto
Speaker 2: Q when I see it coming and I'm like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, Like it just stresses me out because I
Speaker 2: don't want to butcher it because language is important and
Speaker 2: it's that I always practice. I'm always in my dressing
Speaker 2: room like trying to get it right, you know, and
Speaker 2: I write it phonetically on the autocube, but sometimes I
Speaker 2: just think, oh, did I say it right?
Speaker 1: Like is this true that there's no case in the
Speaker 1: Gamilla Roy alphabet?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, And even Camillarroy people say Camilla roy. You know,
Speaker 2: Camilla Roy. That is just an English way of saying
Speaker 2: gamill roy.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just to give pronunciation.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that with translation. So when they were
Speaker 2: documenting mobs and tribes and language, they documented it as kery.
Speaker 2: You know, that's lost in translation. But there's Gamillroy, Gomroy,
Speaker 2: Gamilla Ray, Camilla Roys. Four ways to say my tribe.
Speaker 1: Well, that's like there's different ways of spelling, but like
Speaker 1: we sometimes have to put the y in there so
Speaker 1: that people know that that's a yeah like sound yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: like so because like I just say, oh, I'm just longer,
Speaker 1: and I would spell it and double o n g R,
Speaker 1: but sometimes you would don't understand that pronunciation, so they
Speaker 1: put it and why U n g R.
Speaker 2: Did you ever see that video that was like flab
Speaker 2: jaba and long? Where did that come from?
Speaker 3: That was a vine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where did that flight? It was that flajava? Where
Speaker 2: did that come from?
Speaker 3: It was just this old follow He was just saying. No,
Speaker 3: actually that was like a guy taking.
Speaker 2: The piss oh was it?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: But then I think mob like took on the sound
Speaker 1: as a joke because you know, we make.
Speaker 2: Trauma claim it.
Speaker 1: I think that's I think Uncle Ernie Dingo once said
Speaker 1: that he's like make light and comedy sometimes and when
Speaker 1: people see like you're not being so serious and you know,
Speaker 1: taking the piss out of yourself, it can't hurt, it can't.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't let it like penetrate you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my words today penetrate. But I wanted to ask
Speaker 2: you something because this is like a like a thing
Speaker 2: that always crosses my mind. Like as First Nations people,
Speaker 2: we try and share as much as our as ourselves
Speaker 2: and culture so that we you know, can not earn respect,
Speaker 2: but can gather like an understanding of who we are
Speaker 2: from the wider community. Right, And I always feel like
Speaker 2: acknowledgement some countries should be done by someone who isn't
Speaker 2: First Nations over someone who is First Nations. What are
Speaker 2: your thoughts on that? Because whenever someone says to me,
Speaker 2: can you do any acknowledgment? I always think to myself.
Speaker 3: You can do it.
Speaker 2: Why don't you do it?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Am I? Why do I have to acknowledge? You should
Speaker 2: be acknowledging? You know.
Speaker 3: I think welcomes should be done by MOB, and.
Speaker 1: I think that they should be paid for their service
Speaker 1: m because compensation, time, effort, language, culture, culture. I think acknowledgments.
Speaker 1: If you don't want to pay for an actual proper welcome,
Speaker 1: you can do an acknowledgment that's equally as respectful, but
Speaker 1: it should be done by.
Speaker 2: Someone outside of our community. Yeah. I agree too. I've
Speaker 2: been asked in many acknowledgments and I'm like, you know, fuck, that's.
Speaker 1: An out for me for fucking twenty twenty five doing acknowledgments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, get fuck, I'm not acknowledged. I've been here
Speaker 3: your mom.
Speaker 1: And nah for real, though, I have a responsibility and
Speaker 1: accountability that I put on myself to represent MOB, and
Speaker 1: if I don't feel like it's something that MOB would
Speaker 1: be happy me doing in a situation or a scenario
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't do it, you know.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying acknowledgments.
Speaker 1: Are that, but if I have had a conversation and
Speaker 1: it's made me feel like icky and like not good.
Speaker 3: Yep, I'd just be like no, I'm not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel like I have taken opportunities to
Speaker 2: do acknowledgment so that I could say more than an acknowledgment,
Speaker 2: like honestly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you always do that he's rogue.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, I actually like to like teaching
Speaker 2: them something, you know, Like for me, it's important that,
Speaker 2: like if I'm asked to do an acknowledgment, I see
Speaker 2: it as an opportunity to give something else, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, It's not just the acknowledgment. So it's like,
Speaker 2: maybe teach them what Gadigel means if I'm doing an
Speaker 2: acknowledgment on this country.
Speaker 3: You know, I love that about you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whether it's like that what Gadigel means, or whether
Speaker 2: it's like that it's a part of you know, twenty
Speaker 2: six clans within the ur nation, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So Bondai means Bundy.
Speaker 2: Bundi, yeah, and you know Gadigl means people of the
Speaker 2: grass tree. That one's not gully at the end of
Speaker 2: a word is people of Yeah. So if you hear
Speaker 2: Camago people of the high water that's North Sydney. Kiribilly
Speaker 2: is a good fishing spot.
Speaker 3: Up.
Speaker 1: In our language, anything with up is water water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so like yelling up, yeah, dwelling up.
Speaker 3: They're all water places.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I learned a lot about this, like the urination,
Speaker 2: from doing that project with Wesley Enock. But I also
Speaker 2: love that I know much, like much more about this
Speaker 2: place because I live here, you know, and this place
Speaker 2: has been welcoming to not just more, but so many people.
Speaker 2: You know, this is a hub for the world, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like it's a meeting place Sydney.
Speaker 1: I feel very like glad that there are people like
Speaker 1: you out there that are taking those little moments kind
Speaker 1: of like you know, a majority would be non indigenous people. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and then they take away that one thing
Speaker 1: and that's like.
Speaker 3: A ripple effect.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that because I think that's really special and
Speaker 1: I think even some things that you have said to
Speaker 1: me have stuck with me. And I am not from here, right,
Speaker 1: I'm a visitor to Sydney, but I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: more connected because I know that stuff, which is why
Speaker 1: that's your intention of what and why you're doing.
Speaker 2: It, which is cool.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we want that responsibility not to always fall on us,
Speaker 1: and we want other people to actually do the same
Speaker 1: and contribute and then pass knowledge on because I think
Speaker 1: shared knowledge is powerful. I really think that that's what
Speaker 1: we kind of started this podcast and have connected so
Speaker 1: well on because I came late into my culture and
Speaker 1: in a sense, I was so connected being in community
Speaker 1: up until eleven, but I didn't know anything about my
Speaker 1: Nunga culture. Like I'd grown up with a Nunga mother
Speaker 1: and grandmother and they used to speak language, but I
Speaker 1: thought it was Yamogy because I was on Yamaging country.
Speaker 3: Like everyone used to just think that we were Yamagy mob.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't until my mum and grandmother died that
Speaker 1: I went back to Perth to live with my dad
Speaker 1: that when I was at a school event, like a
Speaker 1: an Aboriginal tutoring event, that this Aboriginal auntie she goes, oh,
Speaker 1: who's your mob, And I said, I'm My last name's Blurton.
Speaker 3: And then she's like, oh, I know all your Nonga
Speaker 3: mob and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, oh, yeah, that's right. My grandmother's Noma.
Speaker 1: And this is like when I was like still like
Speaker 1: about eleven or twelve. I'm pretty sure, Like I was enrolled.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like still same year my mom passed. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I was eleven and.
Speaker 1: She could just put it straight away together with like
Speaker 1: just my last name, and I thought that was just
Speaker 1: so fucking epic, like howful.
Speaker 3: I want to be one of those aunties that are
Speaker 3: doing that year.
Speaker 2: You know what my my my big Camillary last name,
Speaker 2: like my name's last name is weather Ll, and that's
Speaker 2: one of the biggest Kimillroy families. So if you ever
Speaker 2: hear weather All, you know their Camilla Y same thing,
Speaker 2: you know, Blurton weather Ll, Kimilla Roy. It's big family.
Speaker 2: So my nn my matriarchal side of my lineage or
Speaker 2: weather All, and my pop is a meals So Queensland mop.
Speaker 2: So I'm Korean Murray Nice, I'm a cool Murray. But
Speaker 2: I want to ask you as we wrap this up,
Speaker 2: what's your favorite thing about being a black father. Why
Speaker 2: do you love being an Aboriginal? Why do you love
Speaker 2: being an Aboriginal?
Speaker 1: Literally, there are actually so many parts of me that
Speaker 1: I love, and when I think about my English heritage,
Speaker 1: I just don't think really entails who I am. Which
Speaker 1: is so like it is who I am because obviously
Speaker 1: it runs my blood yeap. But I think for me,
Speaker 1: like I have always been so connected to a lot
Speaker 1: of things in terms of I love country like I
Speaker 1: love feeling the sand in my toes. I love the
Speaker 1: ocean like I love that sort of feeling when I
Speaker 1: am there and experiencing like in being in nature. Like
Speaker 1: I know it wholeheartedly that I have that connection. I
Speaker 1: can I can yeah, like I can zone out. I
Speaker 1: can zone out people's voices and I can hear everything
Speaker 1: around me. And I think that is a really powerful
Speaker 1: connection that I have, and I think that really does
Speaker 1: come from.
Speaker 3: My first nation's culture.
Speaker 2: Beautiful.
Speaker 1: I think I do have, like you know, that social
Speaker 1: emotional wellbeing WILL that I talk about all the time.
Speaker 1: I know it's like a little I'm like I would
Speaker 1: describe myself like it's like my center and that's like
Speaker 1: my little pieces and that entails like connection to ancestry
Speaker 1: and kinship, connection to culture and community, connection to oneself.
Speaker 1: Like I just think there's not one thing that I
Speaker 1: love about being black. It's all of those things.
Speaker 3: And I think like for me, I just love that.
Speaker 1: I also like it's kind of like being part of
Speaker 1: a VIP club that you like, this side.
Speaker 2: Is so much better VIP very indigenous.
Speaker 3: People literally like being on this side is like the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I think, like I.
Speaker 1: Look at people who are you know, Australian or like why,
Speaker 1: and I think I feel partly like sorry for you
Speaker 1: that you don't have this type of connection or this
Speaker 1: type of like belonging because I think the whole world,
Speaker 1: like I think humans as a race.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm going real like deep for a second.
Speaker 3: But one question, it says you fucking half this podcast.
Speaker 3: Is you chatting? Motherfucker?
Speaker 2: I said nothing, please this woman, I reckon, what's your
Speaker 2: favorite part of being Aboriginal? Forty six years later, we
Speaker 2: still are.
Speaker 3: That's that's probably it. The yarns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we love you do there you go? Noah, I
Speaker 2: keep going. I want to hear more.
Speaker 3: Everyone in this world everything black, black.
Speaker 2: Everyone in this world. This is the biggest.
Speaker 3: Yellow, purple, green, Alphaba Glinda.
Speaker 1: Their whole thing, right, Their motivations or they want in
Speaker 1: the world is to.
Speaker 2: Belong see no, truly truly.
Speaker 3: Now he's been a parrot, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: No, but belonging is at the core of.
Speaker 1: One and you know why I love being black is
Speaker 1: because I belong to something and someone and a community
Speaker 1: she belongs to.
Speaker 3: What's your favorite thing about.
Speaker 2: Well, the other day I went and got a massage
Speaker 2: and it was really lovely. Laying down, you know, this
Speaker 2: lovely tire woman is walking on my back and like
Speaker 2: she's little, but she's up there. She's like full on
Speaker 2: like on my back. And at the end of the massage,
Speaker 2: I was in my zen mode and she says, where
Speaker 2: are you from? And I said, I'm Aboriginal. She goes,
Speaker 2: You're not gonna believe this, she ges, but you're white
Speaker 2: and you don't have a big knows.
Speaker 3: That's so rude.
Speaker 2: It's so racist, so rude. She had no like she
Speaker 2: didn't know she was being racist, and she was not
Speaker 2: trying to be She was like innocent, but like in
Speaker 2: her mind she sees a very specific gimage as an
Speaker 2: Aboriginal person. She's just Skinna's white. And I was like,
Speaker 2: this woman I think has no like understanding of like
Speaker 2: the complexity how different we are as people like First
Speaker 2: Nations people, Aboriginal people, and also the complexities of identity
Speaker 2: when it comes to skin color. So when she said that,
Speaker 2: I honestly, when she called me white, I was so offended.
Speaker 2: And that's when I knew. That was the moment where
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I have no connection
Speaker 2: to my white side. It is like it's something that
Speaker 2: that I'm shunned, like like I want to shun I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: she caught me white, Like. I was so offended by
Speaker 2: that because I don't feel connected to that part.
Speaker 3: Of me truly.
Speaker 1: And I think when I had to do the school
Speaker 1: thing and I had to acknowledge and do like an
Speaker 1: assessment and like learn about my British identity, I felt
Speaker 1: so icky. I felt like like I just couldn't. I
Speaker 1: was like, no, my white dad, who's the British ade
Speaker 1: has probably caused me more trauma than anything, like, and
Speaker 1: people think that original people are fucking problematic.
Speaker 3: Fuck you, Okay, let's go.
Speaker 2: Well that's all we have time for today.
Speaker 1: No, but yeah, I do feel a bit icky when
Speaker 1: I have to. But you know, if you don't acknowledge
Speaker 1: all of you, you won't.
Speaker 3: Accept all of you.
Speaker 1: I hope people have been listening to this and being
Speaker 1: like not thinking that when we hate hate white people,
Speaker 1: we love our white friends.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I've got white friends I.
Speaker 1: Know, imagine a world where it was like all black
Speaker 1: people and the white people with a majority minority minority.
Speaker 2: Okay, well you know what I think. I say it
Speaker 2: all the time, but the thing I'm most proud of
Speaker 2: in my life is being Aboriginal. Well that's all we
Speaker 2: have time for today. If you love what, you're here
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