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Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, August twenty seven, twenty twenty five. The CEO

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Speaker 1: of commercial property giant JLLL is abruptly leaving the company

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Speaker 1: after revelations in The Australian about a culture of harassment.

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Speaker 1: Jonni Bashan, editor of our business column Margin Call, has

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Speaker 1: the scoop and you can hear Yonni talking about jll

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Speaker 1: Yonnie story is live right now at the Australian dot

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Speaker 1: com dot au. For the first time since World War II,

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Speaker 1: Australia is expelling an ambassador. Iran's representative is on his

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Speaker 1: way back to Tehran. That's as Australia says the Islamic

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Speaker 1: Revolutionary Guard orchestrated the firebombing of a Bondidelli and a

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Speaker 1: Melbourne synagogue. Today. Foreign editor Greg Sheridan on how Australia

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Speaker 1: likely cooperated with Israel's spy agency Mossad on this investigation

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Speaker 1: and why Iran's all powerful ruling elite will target Jews.

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Speaker 1: On the other side of the.

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Speaker 2: World, Palestinian militants from the Armed Group of Mass launched

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Speaker 2: a surprised coordinated attack on Israel by land, sea and air.

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Speaker 3: Flares were thrown, anti Semitic slurs chanted and an Israeli

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Speaker 3: flag set on fire during that illegal pro Palestinian rally

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Speaker 3: last night at the Opera House. Four o'clock this morning

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Speaker 3: when Lewis's Continental kitchen caught fire.

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Speaker 4: This is on KERL.

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Speaker 1: Lewis Street here in Bondai. Melbourne's Jewish community is in

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Speaker 1: shock after a fire bomb attack on one of Australia's

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Speaker 5: Wishop has reigned for their lives as a sanctuary built

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Speaker 5: by Holocaust survivors sixty years ago, was destroyed.

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Speaker 1: It's been a dramatic two years and now the government

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Speaker 1: says the twenty twenty four firebombings of a Sydney Jewish

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Speaker 1: Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Iran's all powerful military rulers. Now

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Speaker 1: the Australian Government will outlaw the IRGC as a terrorist organization.

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Speaker 3: They have sought to harm and terrified Jewish Australians and

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Speaker 3: to so hatred and division in our community. The actions

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Speaker 3: of my government send a clear message, a message to

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Speaker 3: all Australians that we stand against Danish Semitism and we

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Speaker 1: Spyboss Mike Burgess.

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Speaker 5: Iran's actions are utterly unacceptable. They put lives at risk,

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Speaker 5: They terrified the community, and they tour at our social fabric.

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Speaker 5: Iram and its proxies literally and figuratively lit the matches

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Speaker 1: Foreign Minister Penny Wong.

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Speaker 4: We have suspended the operations of our embassy in Iran

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Speaker 4: for the same safety of our officials and Australians Border Security.

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Speaker 4: Australia's officials are, as the Prime Minister said, now in

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Speaker 1: So how did they allegedly do it well. Police have

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Speaker 1: charged two Victorian men with arson, carfift and conduct day

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Speaker 1: during life over the Adas Israel Synagogue attack. Police believe

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Speaker 1: another conspirator is still at large. In relation to the

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Speaker 1: Sydney Delhi attack, New South Wales police have charged two

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Speaker 1: men with firebombing and another with directing the attack. That's

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Speaker 1: Sayed Masawi, a former senior BIKEI with the Nomads, who

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Speaker 1: police say use the code name James Bond and told

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Speaker 1: the others he was to be paid at twelve thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars for organizing the attack. He's pleaded not guilty.

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Speaker 5: There is a layer cake of cutouts between IRGC and

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Speaker 5: the person or the alleged perpetrators conducting crimes. In between them,

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Speaker 5: they tap into a number of people agents of IRGC,

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Speaker 5: through there. There is an organized crime element offshore in this,

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Speaker 5: but that's not suggest organized crime are doing it. They're

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Speaker 5: just using cutouts, including people who are criminal and members

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Speaker 1: Asio believes the Revolutionary Guard may have orchestrated more attacks.

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Speaker 1: Greg Sheridan is the Australian's foreign editor Greek. How significant

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Speaker 1: is it for Australia to expel an ambassador.

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Speaker 6: It's hugely significant. Clear this marks a significant point in

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Speaker 6: expelled an ambassador. A very serious move to take, and

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Speaker 6: I'm full of praise for the Albanesi government. I think

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Speaker 6: they should have booted this ambassador out earlier for the

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Speaker 6: things he himself was saying about Jews and Israel. But

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Speaker 6: this shocking Iranian perpetration of terrorism on our soils deserves

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Speaker 1: The government's being very careful to say that they believe

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Speaker 1: it's the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and not the Iranian

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Speaker 6: Well, in a sense, there's no difference, because Iran is

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Speaker 6: That is state sanctioned murder, that is state sanctioned terrorism.

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Speaker 6: Knowledge is often very compartmentalized. So similarly with the Russians,

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Speaker 6: it wouldn't be the case that the Russian ambassador would

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Speaker 6: on a need to know basis similarly in our system,

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Speaker 6: not that we are remotely morally or functionally or equivalent

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Speaker 6: in any way to the Iranians. But if ASIS was

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Speaker 6: It's not surprising that the ambassador himself may not have

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Speaker 1: Now from the Islamic Revolutionary Guard course perspective, they've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of fish to fry. They've got a lot

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Speaker 1: How significant an operation is this, Why would they be

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Speaker 6: So they are a very big organization. They've got a

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Speaker 6: Iran also has a record of anti Jewish terrorism. There

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Speaker 6: have been cases where Jewish sites there was a famous

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Speaker 6: the fingerprints go back to the Iranian government. The thing

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Speaker 6: there is a very deep tradition of Islamic anti Semitism.

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Speaker 6: As I'm ashamed to say, there is quite a strong

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Speaker 6: So they're quite happy to try to cause social division

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Speaker 6: But the fact that they would go to the trouble

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Speaker 1: Not mentioned during the press conference on Tuesday was Israel,

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Speaker 6: Well, that's absolutely right. Clear. So part of the tragedy

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Speaker 6: of everything that's happening at the moment is the decline

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Speaker 6: of the Australia Israel relationship. Australia and Israel go back

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Speaker 6: a long way. It was Australian troops who liberated Bearsheba

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Speaker 6: word kobber comes from the Hebrew word keva, which Australian

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Speaker 6: This is a very long standing relationship, with a very

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Speaker 6: knows more about every aspect of Iran than Israel. The

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Speaker 1: Israel coming up. How should Jewish Australians interpret all this?

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Speaker 1: The Jewish community has been on a hell of an

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Speaker 1: You know, first on October nine, we saw the protests

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Speaker 1: there's really nothing to see here. This is a criminal conjob.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Claire, I think Jewish people in Australia would be

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Speaker 6: the fact that the anti Semitism comes from a criminal

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Speaker 6: and there is a left wing antisemitism which regards Israel

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Speaker 6: as simply the source of all evil. Now, sadly, all

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Speaker 6: those toxic, terrible streams of hatred of Jews, the oldest

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Speaker 6: and most terrible hatred we know in our civilization, come

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Speaker 6: together into a giant river of anti Semitism. Now, at

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Speaker 6: no point at all ever has the federal government looked

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Speaker 6: like it understood that. The New South Wales Premier Chris

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Speaker 6: Mens seems to have got the idea pretty quickly. But

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Speaker 6: now I would say the federal government responded with proportionate, serious,

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Speaker 6: real intent to one element of this crisis. So Iran

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Speaker 6: is not just a difficult nation which causes trouble. It

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Speaker 6: is a nation motivated by an ideology which is anti

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Speaker 6: Semitic in its core, and therefore a government like Australia

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Speaker 6: which wants to safeguard its Jewish community and safeguard Australian

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Speaker 6: cohesion and all the rest of it has to confront

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Speaker 6: the government of Iran. There's some value in having an

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Speaker 6: Australian embassy in Iran, but not if you give away

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Speaker 6: your basic internal decency, and we were seeming to do

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Speaker 6: that in allowing the ambassador endless scope to just say

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Speaker 6: and do the most vile things. We should have said, well,

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Speaker 6: you can hold those views if you like, but you

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Speaker 6: can't live in a Australia and hold them. So, you know,

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Speaker 6: a bit late, but they've got there, and they're also

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Speaker 6: right to expose this all publicly, to tell us all

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Speaker 6: about it, and therefore that makes you ran pay a

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Speaker 6: certain reputational price. People around the world will see what

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Speaker 6: Iran has been doing in Australia, so you know, I

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Speaker 6: think on the whole they haven't been a very good

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Speaker 6: government dealing with anti Semitism, but this is a very

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Speaker 6: good day.

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Speaker 1: doing groundbreaking reporting about the Iranian diaspora and how they've

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