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Speaker 1: This is the Fits In with Her with Kate Richie podcast.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Indy Clinton. You're completely across this Swanye.

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Speaker 1: She's an she's a content creator. I prefer to use

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Speaker 1: that word. She's Australian. She's an Aussie girl in Northern Beaches,

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Speaker 1: and she is a mother. She's got three beautiful kids,

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Speaker 1: and she's decided to take bullying online bullying and troll

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Speaker 1: like behavior into her own hands.

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Speaker 2: Yes she has. And how so Indy Clinton has you know,

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Speaker 2: millions of followers on TikTok and what six hundred massive Instagram.

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Speaker 2: I just want to give you a vibe check on her.

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Speaker 2: She is a young mum with three kids, and she

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Speaker 2: is fabulous, Like she talks about motherhood in a real way.

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Speaker 2: I personally find her very hard to see how you

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Speaker 2: know you could troll her jealousy. She's really real. She

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Speaker 2: talks about the messiness of motherhood. She's not curated, she's

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Speaker 2: not put together. You know, she films from her kitchen,

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Speaker 2: crazy hair, you know, like, she's really real, and yet

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Speaker 2: she has been mercilessly trolled, defamed her and her family,

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Speaker 2: her kids. Four years well, God sick of waiting for change,

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Speaker 2: she has hired a private investigator privately, which she is

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Speaker 2: paying for herself and has received from them after a

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Speaker 2: three month investigation into all of these very regular trolls,

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Speaker 2: a sixty four page document highlighting exactly who these people are,

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Speaker 2: where they live, what they do, what their names are.

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Speaker 2: And she has this document. She has also opened a

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Speaker 2: new Instagram account called you Are Not a non You

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Speaker 2: letter are, letter not and on and basically that is

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Speaker 2: a placeholder for whatever she decides.

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Speaker 1: I mean, talk about the best way to disarm the

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Speaker 1: bullies and the trolls that in their little dark place

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Speaker 1: from home, they sit there trying to pick on someone

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Speaker 1: who's doing something good in her own world and chooses

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Speaker 1: to express herself the way she does.

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Speaker 3: I just can I bring up the debate on the

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Speaker 3: other side though, and so what are you going to

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Speaker 3: achieve out of this because you cannot, I mean, you

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Speaker 3: can't reveal who the person is, can you? Legally you

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be able.

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Speaker 1: To do that, would you?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that. You can.

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Speaker 2: I think you can if you choose to, but there'll

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Speaker 2: be ramifications for that. I know what you're saying fits.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing. I think laws and sentencing and

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Speaker 2: all of that stuff is taking too long to catch

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Speaker 2: up with what is unfolding in social media, and she

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Speaker 2: is sick of waiting. And I get that. I've been

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Speaker 2: very fortunate in my career. I have not suffered from

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Speaker 2: this one bit. But I can imagine that if you

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Speaker 2: have one scrap of insecurity or even time on your hands,

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Speaker 2: and you take seriously what these people are saying to you,

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Speaker 2: I can imagine the ramifications on mental health extraordinary and

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Speaker 2: devastating and dangerous. And these are grown adults. I hate

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Speaker 2: to think what is going on behind closed closed doors

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Speaker 2: with our children. And I applaud Indy Clinton for not

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Speaker 2: waiting around for lawmakers to actually enforce this. They've got

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Speaker 2: a lot of other stuff going on. Meanwhile, this is

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Speaker 2: the real world for a lot of people. A lot

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Speaker 2: of people are suffering from this kind of abuse and

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Speaker 2: harassment and it does have to change. And I believe that.

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Speaker 1: This this is a great step forward.

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Speaker 2: You know, day one, if someone.

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Speaker 1: Sits at home and they think, you know what, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to comment and then they have a moment where

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Speaker 1: they go, oh, you're not anonymous and people can find

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Speaker 1: out who this is, you completely disarm them and fits

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Speaker 1: you're asking what can they do if they can't legally

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Speaker 1: name them. I've heard of stories like this where someone

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Speaker 1: else has done a similar thing to what Indy Clinton

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Speaker 1: has done, and they then informed their employees they know

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Speaker 1: the doctors you go to. That in the article it

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Speaker 1: says they know which kind of colleges you use where

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Speaker 1: your kids go to school. This private investigator in the

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Speaker 1: in the sixty four page dossier that's been presented to

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Speaker 1: her knows everything. So this person then, when informed their workplace,

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Speaker 1: wrote to their boss showed them examples of what they'd

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Speaker 1: been doing and how they'd been attacking people in their

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Speaker 1: private time. And that obviously then is a serious conversation

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Speaker 1: that needs to take place at work.

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Speaker 3: I want to then, the only thing is that you

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Speaker 3: are steering up unhinged people who remain anonymous. Now that

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Speaker 3: you've ruined their life, then you just don't know where

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Speaker 3: it's going to go next. Don't get me wrong, don't.

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Speaker 3: We have sat in this studio WHEP and we have

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Speaker 3: seen some of the horrific stuff that has been written

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Speaker 3: to Kate. Kate shows us sometimes what people write to

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Speaker 3: her and direct message. Now they're the ones that I

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Speaker 3: agree that should be passed on to authorities and they

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Speaker 3: should be charged. The laws should be stronger on this stuff.

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Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is spot on, because if we

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Speaker 1: can't wait for things to change, and this is a

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Speaker 1: really positive way of getting anybody who thinks about doing

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Speaker 1: this to question the next move.

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Speaker 2: I agree, And I think also on a really simplistic level,

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Speaker 2: the trolls may not know that what they're doing is

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Speaker 2: against the law. So harassment by carrier service is a

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Speaker 2: real crime. And I think that a lot of these

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Speaker 2: people do it for fun. I don't think that in

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Speaker 2: a weird way. I really don't think that they're being malicious.

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Speaker 2: I think it's like a hobby for them. And I

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Speaker 2: think this out yeah, and bringing this out in the

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Speaker 2: open may make them go, oh god, I had no

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Speaker 2: idea I could go to jail for this. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to stop. Anyone that stops this sort of harassment is

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Speaker 2: a step in the writings about education and awareness.

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Speaker 1: The other amazing finding was that ninety five percent of

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Speaker 1: the people that have been bullying and trolling were mothers themselves. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that was a really surprising statistic.

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Speaker 3: I agree, there's funny and Twitter is a chess, bit

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Speaker 3: of hate and look. But don't get me wrong, I

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Speaker 3: do like to have a bit of fun with it sometimes.

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Speaker 3: But sometimes I'll have a go back at a troll

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Speaker 3: and it's so funny to see their reaction that they're like, oh, oh,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that you were going to reply, I'm

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Speaker 3: a big fan of your show exactly.

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Speaker 2: They all say the same thing. That makes me think

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Speaker 2: they don't know what they're doing. It's fun. It's fun

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Speaker 2: for them.

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Speaker 1: It's a sport for them, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, it's escape. Is Indy Clinton Tower.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing story, all.

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Speaker 1: I think she's leading something really strong here. It's in

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