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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the clean comparts to a French chat

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Speaker 2: with Mel Watson. We kick off with Mel sharing her

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Speaker 2: experiences as a prison guard in one of Australia's toughest jails.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to thank you for being so open and

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Speaker 2: vulnerable at the moment about this, and I know it's

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Speaker 2: going to ruffle ruffle some feathers, and I frankly don't

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Speaker 2: give a fuck because I'm going to tell you why

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Speaker 2: the ship that we go through as inmates, and look, okay,

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Speaker 2: the Karens out there are going to go, oh, yes,

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Speaker 2: but you put yourself in jail. Yeah, all right, Well,

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Speaker 2: so well you're in jail, you're doing your time. Does

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Speaker 2: that mean you need to be crucified whilst you're in jail?

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Speaker 2: Does that mean you need to be treated like an

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Speaker 2: to in excess that are over and beyond. What needs

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Speaker 2: to happen is beyond, and we as the inmates at

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Speaker 2: that stage get told to put in a blue and

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you're not going to

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Speaker 2: tell on anyone because you're not a dog. So therefore,

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Speaker 2: if you were to write a statement against a crema,

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Speaker 2: whether you write a statement against a screw, either way,

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Speaker 2: you're a dog. It's as simple as that. So we

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Speaker 2: live with it. It becomes something that is so common

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Speaker 2: and so regular. You are somebody whom I want to

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Speaker 2: thank again, because this is the voice that will and

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Speaker 2: needs to be heard. And I'm proud of you for

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Speaker 2: having the confidence and the strength to not be fearful

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Speaker 2: to have this conversation because I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: I already know the organization that I'm speaking out against,

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Speaker 1: but I don't care because it's just the same as

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Speaker 1: what I do. Like, I'm not going to protect anyone,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not going to be silent about some of

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Speaker 2: What stuff did you witness in them? Me while we're

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Speaker 2: on this topic, because you know, for us, and I

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Speaker 2: want to say for us, Look, I am well and

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Speaker 2: truly beyond my offending years. Yes, I'm on Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: bar for a matter fifteen years ago. So for everybody

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Speaker 2: bear you got it, Does that make me a criminal? No?

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Speaker 2: I am a very very you know, strong believer in

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Speaker 4: Yes, I would love for you to tell the people

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Speaker 4: by the time we we said this happened, that happened,

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Speaker 2: To know about it. Mel. Please, for the people that

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Speaker 2: that have been through it, tell our listeners that what

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Speaker 2: you tell them the truth, No, I will.

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Speaker 1: Tell I will tell the truth that there is a

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Speaker 1: lot of power troopers in that job. And there's honestly

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Speaker 1: And they do look at all inmates like, you know,

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Speaker 1: That's how they talk, That's how they look at you.

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Speaker 1: But I was already ready to get out of that job,

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Speaker 2: We got to put in a mystery bluey and you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no you can't. It's yeah, nothing happens, nothing goes anywhere.

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Speaker 1: They always make it look like they're doing something, but

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Speaker 1: All the stuff that people come out and say, it's

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Speaker 2: The things that you know, I mean, I can really

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Speaker 2: most the physical abuse that the inmates, like look, yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: inmates can be very violent and sometimes the squad comes

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Speaker 1: People think, so everyone's like, oh, the squad, this the

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Speaker 2: Oh, we get locked down while they train and have

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Speaker 2: to listen to them, like I remember, I remember. You know,

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Speaker 2: So the inmates don't get the shower, they don't get

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Speaker 2: the phone calls, they don't get their mail, they don't

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Speaker 1: It's the same when they're short staffed. If you're short

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Speaker 2: Well, it's true, and spend you spend a lot of

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Speaker 2: time in segro. First thing they do is they pull

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Speaker 2: we've sat for days, days and days. Silver Water was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's so true. I was always, you know,

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Speaker 1: is what is what you know, de escalates situations. But

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Speaker 2: The thing is too we get to have a crack

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Speaker 2: fuck I remember getting rended Bathust was the worse for

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Speaker 1: Good in their groups. But you know what, the females

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Speaker 2: They're fuckheads. They're they're cocky, little fuckheads. They shits their

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Speaker 1: And if the boys weren't there, telling you now, they

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Speaker 1: bashing all of them because like I said, they're really

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Speaker 1: are some beautiful, beautiful officers in that job. But I

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Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you this, and I want this

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Speaker 2: cleaned up a little bit because this is this is

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Speaker 2: a presumption and we always get blamed and look, all right,

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Speaker 2: there's certain things that happen on visits. There's certain ways

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Speaker 2: And I say that with respect, Please don't take that

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Speaker 2: me tell you the amount of drugs and contraband mobile phones. Fuck,

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Speaker 2: He was the activities by our officer for many, many,

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Speaker 2: They come undone massively. But the amount of money that

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Speaker 2: any cash outside. Everyone had phones. Now, whatever you wanted

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Speaker 2: was available, more than what you could get on the streets.

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Speaker 2: And this was not coming in from the families. This

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Speaker 2: was not the first to be blamed, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, the visit to be stopped, you'd be put

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Speaker 2: on box visits. This had happened, That had happened because

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Speaker 1: This is what I will say when COVID happens. Let's

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Speaker 1: just say that visits were shut down and drugs are

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Speaker 1: still getting in. How do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: And it's it's not it's not a conspiracy like that

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Speaker 1: does happen a lot. At the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: These offices are around, you know, criminals, and eventually you

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Speaker 1: getting bribes with money like you know, not everyone's going

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Speaker 1: The thing is is it's it's not it's not hard

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Speaker 1: the people that are bringing something in, they've got connections somewhere,

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Speaker 1: You get more time than they do for sexually abusing

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Speaker 1: pari a priest and he is defense argued that he

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Speaker 1: had still done a lot of good for the community.

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Speaker 1: He was Actually he didn't get an ankle bracelet.

431
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Speaker 2: Oh that's see, that's you've just given us one one

432
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Speaker 2: case of thousands.

433
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Speaker 1: No, And that was the thing. I really enjoyed working

434
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Speaker 1: at the courts because I feel like that's where I

435
00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 1: learned a lot about how they operate and just the damage.

436
00:23:34,521 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 1: Like as being a survivor myself, I already know, but

437
00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:39,521
Speaker 1: I also, you know, I felt very alone in that.

438
00:23:39,561 --> 00:23:41,401
Speaker 1: I felt like, oh, you know, I'm the only one.

439
00:23:41,481 --> 00:23:44,921
Speaker 1: But then seeing how common it is and just what

440
00:23:45,001 --> 00:23:47,441
Speaker 1: they do and the lengths they go to and then

441
00:23:47,761 --> 00:23:50,961
Speaker 1: seeing them after court And I always say that after

442
00:23:51,241 --> 00:23:54,161
Speaker 1: court or in prison is when you see a pedophile

443
00:23:54,201 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: in their real Like that's the real then, because they're

444
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: not trying to prove anything to police, they're not trying

445
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,761
Speaker 1: to look good on paper, like that's who they are.

446
00:24:01,801 --> 00:24:05,561
Speaker 1: And they're not remorseful, and so many people are like, oh,

447
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: you know, are they sorry and this and that. I'm like,

448
00:24:07,681 --> 00:24:11,161
Speaker 1: absolutely freaking not. I've never seen one say sorry. I've

449
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: never seen one take accountability. They always make excuses and

450
00:24:15,521 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: then they get the best resources in prison, which just

451
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,041
Speaker 1: makes no sense to me because it's not a punishment

452
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: for them. Everyone thinks that prison is a punishment for them.

453
00:24:25,241 --> 00:24:28,241
Speaker 2: It's it's a school. It's a school to better their crimes.

454
00:24:28,441 --> 00:24:29,241
Speaker 2: That's all it is.

455
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Speaker 1: It's a holiday camp for pedophiles, It's what it is,

456
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 1: and they love it and they teach each other to

457
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,321
Speaker 1: come out and access you know, see sam like child

458
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: sexual abuse material. They just it's just people are so

459
00:24:44,001 --> 00:24:50,481
Speaker 1: oblivious and they are just getting so much more resources

460
00:24:50,561 --> 00:24:55,361
Speaker 1: and protection than anyone else. And these resources would benefit

461
00:24:55,521 --> 00:24:58,801
Speaker 1: survivors and should go to survivor.

462
00:24:58,801 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 2: And we need more of it. We truly, do you

463
00:25:01,201 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 2: know there's not enough out there to help us.

464
00:25:04,001 --> 00:25:08,041
Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's lots for them. There's lots of and everyone's like, oh,

465
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,281
Speaker 1: you know, but we need to rehabilitate them. They cannot

466
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Speaker 1: be rehabilitated. And I will say that I don't care.

467
00:25:13,281 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: They cannot be rehabilitated, and I don't want them rehabilitated.

468
00:25:17,241 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: I don't want them coming back out to the community

469
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: ill after section.

470
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Speaker 2: I like this one mal where you get the Karens

471
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 2: and it's like it's an illness, it's a newness. The poor,

472
00:25:28,921 --> 00:25:31,641
Speaker 2: the poor things, the things that happened to them when

473
00:25:31,681 --> 00:25:34,001
Speaker 2: they were children and they didn't know any better, and

474
00:25:34,041 --> 00:25:36,521
Speaker 2: they've just you know, this is damn and this is

475
00:25:36,521 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: who they are. Go fuck yourself. You and I are

476
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,521
Speaker 2: both survivors. And so there's probably half the people will listening,

477
00:25:42,521 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 2: and I can guarantee you one million percent. None of

478
00:25:45,201 --> 00:25:46,441
Speaker 2: us are fucking pedophiles.

479
00:25:46,681 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I get so many of those people.

480
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Speaker 2: Oh my blood boils.

481
00:25:51,521 --> 00:25:54,201
Speaker 1: I had a psycho. Okay, I'm going to say this

482
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Speaker 1: all right, and I don't go for it. I don't

483
00:25:56,561 --> 00:26:03,561
Speaker 1: care who I offend. Psychologists in the prisons are pedophile sympathizers,

484
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: and they they are they will they think that they

485
00:26:07,681 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: can fix them and they cannot be fixed. And I

486
00:26:10,201 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: get some of them who come on and DM me,

487
00:26:12,281 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: like on Instagram and be like, oh, you're grooming everyone

488
00:26:15,001 --> 00:26:19,961
Speaker 1: against pedophiles, and I'm like, is another point, Like who

489
00:26:20,201 --> 00:26:23,721
Speaker 1: wouldn't be against the pedophile? But in prison they think

490
00:26:23,761 --> 00:26:26,041
Speaker 1: and you know, I get them coming on and they're like, oh,

491
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,761
Speaker 1: but in their sessions with like you know, I've had

492
00:26:28,801 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: sessions with them in prison and they're sorry, and you know,

493
00:26:31,441 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: they've had really hard childhoods. And I'm like, but of

494
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,761
Speaker 1: course they're telling you that because you're putting that on

495
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,281
Speaker 1: paper that goes towards court that helps with their sentencing.

496
00:26:40,481 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: Of course they're going to different story.

497
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Speaker 2: The man, it's a sympath it's a sympathize, a sympathetic

498
00:26:46,321 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 2: you know, way of justifying their hideous crimes and the

499
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Speaker 2: sickening acts that they do.

500
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Speaker 1: It's just funny that there's people that are against it. Like,

501
00:26:55,441 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: I didn't think that that was a thing until I

502
00:26:57,721 --> 00:27:00,681
Speaker 1: started my page, and I get you know, I get

503
00:27:00,721 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: a fair share of haters, and I'm just like, you

504
00:27:03,241 --> 00:27:05,041
Speaker 1: know what, I couldn't give a shit about your opinion

505
00:27:05,041 --> 00:27:07,121
Speaker 1: because you stick up for people who get off over

506
00:27:07,761 --> 00:27:10,801
Speaker 1: you know, sexually abusing a child for their own sexual gratification.

507
00:27:11,001 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: Like bite me, like ill, I'll get hammered on my

508
00:27:14,561 --> 00:27:17,121
Speaker 2: page because or the media or grab them. They'll say

509
00:27:17,521 --> 00:27:21,001
Speaker 2: X bikey enforcer, X, bikey drug dealer X this X

510
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 2: that you know and absolutely try and belittle me in

511
00:27:24,521 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: every possible And I'd say the bloke that rode across

512
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 2: Australia that started a national charity that helped thousands of people,

513
00:27:30,441 --> 00:27:33,321
Speaker 2: that writes you know, did a fantastic job and started

514
00:27:33,321 --> 00:27:35,761
Speaker 2: a podcast like the Creditation. Not that I'm asking for it,

515
00:27:35,801 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying the way that they'll manipulate things

516
00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: and words that they choose yet will show sympathy for

517
00:27:45,561 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 2: a dirty, rotten, filthy pedophile. And I will not take

518
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,761
Speaker 2: a backward step on any word relating to this fucking

519
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,761
Speaker 2: scum of the earth.

520
00:27:54,961 --> 00:27:59,881
Speaker 1: Yeah no, the don't care. Our government protects pedophiles.

521
00:28:00,001 --> 00:28:03,161
Speaker 2: Our just hard for them are fucking pedophiles themselves.

522
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: You know, we're doing a sex offender registry and we

523
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,641
Speaker 1: look at Cumra.

524
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 5: Look at Kumbra gile, a full jile full of fucking

525
00:28:10,961 --> 00:28:16,041
Speaker 5: white collar criminals that are mainly pedophiles and fraudsters, and

526
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 5: they all fucking hang out.

527
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: That's the norm because they go for positions of power

528
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,201
Speaker 1: to get like gain the trusts of parents and gain

529
00:28:24,241 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: the trust of children. And that's how they do it.

530
00:28:26,481 --> 00:28:28,801
Speaker 1: It's not it's not a conspiracy. They really do go

531
00:28:28,921 --> 00:28:33,561
Speaker 1: for positions of power. There's judges that have come out,

532
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,761
Speaker 1: as you know, sexually abusing children and they were putting

533
00:28:36,761 --> 00:28:41,641
Speaker 1: away pedophiles and giving them like little sentences, do you

534
00:28:41,721 --> 00:28:45,241
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's yeah, it's so bad.

535
00:28:45,281 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: And and even like with everything that we try to do,

536
00:28:48,441 --> 00:28:50,721
Speaker 1: like there's so many advocates that are working to get

537
00:28:50,801 --> 00:28:55,681
Speaker 1: legislation in place to actually the lives of pedophiles harder,

538
00:28:56,001 --> 00:28:59,241
Speaker 1: and the politicians won't even sit with you. They won't

539
00:28:59,241 --> 00:29:01,881
Speaker 1: they bite back. And we've had you know, we're trying

540
00:29:01,881 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: to do a child's sex offender registry. There's a couple

541
00:29:04,241 --> 00:29:05,561
Speaker 1: of us advocates.

542
00:29:06,241 --> 00:29:08,641
Speaker 2: Just just just slow down on that one because this

543
00:29:08,761 --> 00:29:11,641
Speaker 2: is a really important part of this conversation and something

544
00:29:11,681 --> 00:29:15,761
Speaker 2: that I really feel needs to be explained so you

545
00:29:16,441 --> 00:29:19,321
Speaker 2: will move away from the work that you did within

546
00:29:19,401 --> 00:29:21,801
Speaker 2: we've got a fairly good idea of you know, your

547
00:29:21,881 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: knowledge and experience and how traumatic it was and the

548
00:29:25,521 --> 00:29:28,801
Speaker 2: realities of what truly goes on in the jail systems.

549
00:29:29,281 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we can all agree to that

550
00:29:31,521 --> 00:29:35,241
Speaker 2: and thank you for your honesty. Corrupt you've well, you've

551
00:29:35,241 --> 00:29:37,801
Speaker 2: stepped away from that with a beautiful passion though, and

552
00:29:37,841 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: credit to you once again because your experience and the

553
00:29:41,521 --> 00:29:46,401
Speaker 2: way that you've taken you as a survivor, and then

554
00:29:46,641 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: your experience of working firsthand around these oh look at

555
00:29:51,721 --> 00:29:53,961
Speaker 2: me start. I can't even use the word just fucking scum.

556
00:29:55,681 --> 00:30:02,201
Speaker 2: You you now have created a very strong platform. You're

557
00:30:02,281 --> 00:30:07,841
Speaker 2: you're you're building a team of like minded people, yes,

558
00:30:08,241 --> 00:30:12,841
Speaker 2: or with the great passion of achieving some wonderful things

559
00:30:13,121 --> 00:30:18,241
Speaker 2: to protect protect our children, protect our people from these

560
00:30:18,641 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: wonderful fucking you know, white collar and underprivileged pedophiles that

561
00:30:24,801 --> 00:30:31,041
Speaker 2: we are pet. We're pet because you know poor them. Yeah, like,

562
00:30:31,601 --> 00:30:35,121
Speaker 2: fuck up, I just can't just you know what, this

563
00:30:35,241 --> 00:30:36,681
Speaker 2: is probably going to want to be one of the

564
00:30:36,721 --> 00:30:41,041
Speaker 2: toughest episodes for people to listen to in realization, and

565
00:30:41,161 --> 00:30:43,241
Speaker 2: I'm not going to apologize at any stage of Nora,

566
00:30:43,241 --> 00:30:46,161
Speaker 2: are you for anything? That we're speaking about today. So

567
00:30:46,521 --> 00:30:50,921
Speaker 2: now you are working tirelessly, you really are, and doing

568
00:30:50,921 --> 00:30:53,761
Speaker 2: a fantastic job. And it's a tough job. And as

569
00:30:53,801 --> 00:30:56,001
Speaker 2: you said, you know you're getting a lot of a

570
00:30:56,041 --> 00:31:00,361
Speaker 2: lot of walls put up barriers. This is something that

571
00:31:00,721 --> 00:31:03,801
Speaker 2: many people have tried to achieve before, and a lot

572
00:31:03,801 --> 00:31:05,601
Speaker 2: of people have given up on because it is a

573
00:31:05,641 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: tough road. How's it going for you? And tell us

574
00:31:08,201 --> 00:31:11,361
Speaker 2: about what you're doing, and how do we know how

575
00:31:11,401 --> 00:31:14,521
Speaker 2: to contact? Where can people find this? Give us all

576
00:31:14,561 --> 00:31:15,321
Speaker 2: the insight you.

577
00:31:16,241 --> 00:31:21,921
Speaker 1: So everyone can follow FACA. Now. FACA is amazing. They're

578
00:31:22,001 --> 00:31:26,681
Speaker 1: actually pushing for a child sex offender registry that a

579
00:31:26,681 --> 00:31:30,361
Speaker 1: couple of US advocates are on board for. We've sent

580
00:31:30,521 --> 00:31:34,161
Speaker 1: emails to politicians, We've told them what it's about. We

581
00:31:34,241 --> 00:31:36,241
Speaker 1: didn't give them a time or a date, but they

582
00:31:36,281 --> 00:31:39,161
Speaker 1: rejected us and said that they are fully booked and

583
00:31:39,201 --> 00:31:41,921
Speaker 1: they can't sit with us, even though we didn't give

584
00:31:41,921 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: them a time. But you know what, we're not going

585
00:31:45,761 --> 00:31:48,761
Speaker 1: to stop. I think this year especially, there's so many

586
00:31:48,921 --> 00:31:55,201
Speaker 1: amazing advocates that are doing just doing God's work, honestly,

587
00:31:55,881 --> 00:32:00,321
Speaker 1: and I have to I'm very very proud of so

588
00:32:00,441 --> 00:32:03,441
Speaker 1: many of these survivor advocates and the work that they're

589
00:32:03,441 --> 00:32:05,801
Speaker 1: doing and the team that we have, because I think

590
00:32:05,841 --> 00:32:09,041
Speaker 1: that we're just so we're like stronger in numbers, and

591
00:32:11,001 --> 00:32:14,841
Speaker 1: you know, we're not gonna let the government tell us

592
00:32:14,961 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: that we can't because you know, we have to. We

593
00:32:18,361 --> 00:32:20,561
Speaker 1: have to fight. We have to be a voice for everyone.

594
00:32:21,041 --> 00:32:22,881
Speaker 1: We have to be a voice for people who haven't

595
00:32:22,921 --> 00:32:25,601
Speaker 1: made it to this day because of what's happened. We

596
00:32:25,641 --> 00:32:27,161
Speaker 1: have to be a voice for people who are still

597
00:32:27,161 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: living in silence. And the more people that are speaking

598
00:32:29,721 --> 00:32:32,281
Speaker 1: out and working together, the better. I'm not one to

599
00:32:32,321 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: do this alone. Like you know, I could just do

600
00:32:34,801 --> 00:32:36,721
Speaker 1: this for clout and be like, oh, you know, this

601
00:32:36,761 --> 00:32:38,761
Speaker 1: is all about me and my story and whatnot. But

602
00:32:38,841 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: I love working with everyone. I love teaming up with

603
00:32:42,041 --> 00:32:45,001
Speaker 1: people because we all have the same passion and the

604
00:32:45,041 --> 00:32:47,961
Speaker 1: same goal and like so.

605
00:32:48,081 --> 00:32:49,561
Speaker 2: I can see it in the way you're like, like

606
00:32:49,601 --> 00:32:53,361
Speaker 2: you literally light up each time you speak about it,

607
00:32:53,401 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: and you know, being a survivor yourself, I find that

608
00:32:56,801 --> 00:32:59,521
Speaker 2: amazing that you're able to just your pure passion and

609
00:32:59,561 --> 00:33:03,601
Speaker 2: it shows Yeah, and that's huge. You know, you've got

610
00:33:03,641 --> 00:33:05,641
Speaker 2: no ulterior motive other than to do good.

611
00:33:06,081 --> 00:33:08,961
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of it just came from

612
00:33:09,001 --> 00:33:11,921
Speaker 1: just seeing the damage I've done to myself and then

613
00:33:12,641 --> 00:33:14,881
Speaker 1: seeing the damage it's done to so many people, and

614
00:33:14,921 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm just like and then seeing in the prison system

615
00:33:17,481 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: how well looked after they are, and then seeing in

616
00:33:19,481 --> 00:33:22,681
Speaker 1: the justice system how lenient, you know, the judges are

617
00:33:22,761 --> 00:33:26,521
Speaker 1: towards them in comparison to other crimes. And I'm just

618
00:33:26,561 --> 00:33:29,041
Speaker 1: not going to stand for it anymore. Like, you know,

619
00:33:29,161 --> 00:33:30,561
Speaker 1: if people are gonna have a problem with it, I

620
00:33:30,601 --> 00:33:33,681
Speaker 1: don't care, because at least the truth is getting out

621
00:33:33,681 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: there and we have to do something about it. And

622
00:33:36,761 --> 00:33:39,561
Speaker 1: it takes all of us, like everyone has to come

623
00:33:39,601 --> 00:33:44,401
Speaker 1: together to do something. So you guys can stay focused

624
00:33:44,401 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: on what I'm doing and what we're all doing. Follow Packer.

625
00:33:47,521 --> 00:33:50,361
Speaker 1: Follow Andrew Carpenter because he is a lawyer that does

626
00:33:50,401 --> 00:33:53,801
Speaker 1: amazing work and he's got a petition going through that is,

627
00:33:54,521 --> 00:33:57,161
Speaker 1: you know, stops pedophiles from hiding their assets in their

628
00:33:57,161 --> 00:34:00,241
Speaker 1: super so that they can't pay compensation to their victims

629
00:34:00,521 --> 00:34:02,521
Speaker 1: and that ends up falling on the taxpayer.

630
00:34:03,801 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: Follow Harry Oh wow, Okay, there's.

631
00:34:07,841 --> 00:34:11,401
Speaker 1: Also Harrison James, and there's a few other guys, he's

632
00:34:11,441 --> 00:34:16,201
Speaker 1: got on there that basically doing a campaign which will

633
00:34:16,241 --> 00:34:21,481
Speaker 1: stop pedophiles from having good character references in court because

634
00:34:21,481 --> 00:34:23,881
Speaker 1: they're not good characters, right and.

635
00:34:23,881 --> 00:34:27,281
Speaker 2: Good No, especially repeat offenders like they do not deserve

636
00:34:27,321 --> 00:34:30,281
Speaker 2: that opportunity on a pre sentence to be given the

637
00:34:30,481 --> 00:34:34,601
Speaker 2: justification by a magistrate or judge to why they should

638
00:34:34,641 --> 00:34:38,121
Speaker 2: be downgraded or why they just let's be honest. What

639
00:34:38,481 --> 00:34:40,761
Speaker 2: is the maximum sentence for a sexual offender?

640
00:34:41,921 --> 00:34:44,721
Speaker 1: God, I don't even. I don't even that's a good question.

641
00:34:45,001 --> 00:34:46,641
Speaker 2: Actually, I can tell you. I can tell you what

642
00:34:46,681 --> 00:34:48,521
Speaker 2: I was told. I was looking at twenty five years

643
00:34:48,521 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: for importation of three kilos. But hey, what what does

644
00:34:51,841 --> 00:34:55,361
Speaker 2: three sexual offenses of a pedophile? What does that get him?

645
00:34:55,441 --> 00:34:57,641
Speaker 2: It won't getting twenty five years. I can assure you.

646
00:34:57,721 --> 00:35:00,121
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, because I know I was looking at

647
00:35:00,121 --> 00:35:02,881
Speaker 1: this recently and I'm pretty sure for certain, Like you know,

648
00:35:02,921 --> 00:35:07,281
Speaker 1: if there's penetration involved and whatnot, there's different you know,

649
00:35:07,641 --> 00:35:10,561
Speaker 1: there's different ones. But I can tell you now, whatever

650
00:35:10,601 --> 00:35:14,841
Speaker 1: the maximum is, they're not getting it. The norm for me,

651
00:35:15,081 --> 00:35:18,161
Speaker 1: for what I always saw was three years on the

652
00:35:18,201 --> 00:35:21,201
Speaker 1: top and fourteen months on the bottom. That was the norm.

653
00:35:21,321 --> 00:35:22,521
Speaker 1: And that and that was.

654
00:35:22,521 --> 00:35:24,081
Speaker 2: And that's automatic parole too.

655
00:35:24,641 --> 00:35:27,281
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they get the parole because there's like I said.

656
00:35:27,041 --> 00:35:30,561
Speaker 2: It's automatic behaved they're going to that falls into the

657
00:35:30,601 --> 00:35:32,321
Speaker 2: automatic parole category.

658
00:35:31,921 --> 00:35:33,921
Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, I know exactly.

659
00:35:34,481 --> 00:35:35,801
Speaker 2: And then they've under two years.

660
00:35:36,001 --> 00:35:38,001
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they get out and start their lives and

661
00:35:38,401 --> 00:35:41,321
Speaker 1: live their lives happy, while you know their victims are

662
00:35:41,321 --> 00:35:44,401
Speaker 1: living with a lifetime of trauma and no therapy and

663
00:35:44,401 --> 00:35:46,801
Speaker 1: no resources and no assistance and no help.

664
00:35:47,281 --> 00:35:50,801
Speaker 2: What's your page, mell on Instagram and in your socials?

665
00:35:50,841 --> 00:35:54,321
Speaker 2: Where can people actually reach out to you? And you know,

666
00:35:54,441 --> 00:35:57,041
Speaker 2: I know that you are doing amazing work and I

667
00:35:57,081 --> 00:35:59,961
Speaker 2: know that people, if you allow me to say this,

668
00:36:00,921 --> 00:36:03,161
Speaker 2: can communicate and reach out to you and seek help

669
00:36:03,561 --> 00:36:08,161
Speaker 2: and you can direct them into some fantastic connections that

670
00:36:08,241 --> 00:36:12,641
Speaker 2: will assist. And we won't go into naming all of

671
00:36:12,681 --> 00:36:14,601
Speaker 2: them here because there is no.

672
00:36:15,281 --> 00:36:17,521
Speaker 1: Really good that you asked that because I do so

673
00:36:17,881 --> 00:36:20,481
Speaker 1: on my page. I'm only on Instagram and YouTube. I

674
00:36:20,601 --> 00:36:23,641
Speaker 1: was on TikTok, but I kept getting censored for saying

675
00:36:23,641 --> 00:36:27,721
Speaker 1: the word pedophile. So it's mel wat'son official and that's

676
00:36:27,801 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: for Instagram and YouTube. If you do need resources in

677
00:36:31,481 --> 00:36:36,641
Speaker 1: regards to child sexual abuse, like therapy or there's a

678
00:36:36,641 --> 00:36:39,361
Speaker 1: couple that I have. You can go into my highlights

679
00:36:39,441 --> 00:36:42,161
Speaker 1: under resources and you will find a bunch there that

680
00:36:42,281 --> 00:36:45,761
Speaker 1: I constantly update, so have a look there for some

681
00:36:45,841 --> 00:36:49,081
Speaker 1: resources you can reach out. I always try my best

682
00:36:49,121 --> 00:36:50,881
Speaker 1: to get back to everyone, but I do have three

683
00:36:50,961 --> 00:36:55,121
Speaker 1: kids and it is hard to filter through all the messages,

684
00:36:55,161 --> 00:36:56,441
Speaker 1: but I do try my best.

685
00:36:57,641 --> 00:36:59,841
Speaker 2: Mel what's the plan for the next six months. Give

686
00:36:59,921 --> 00:37:02,961
Speaker 2: us an indication on where you see yourself and what

687
00:37:03,001 --> 00:37:05,041
Speaker 2: you're achieving and what you want to achieve.

688
00:37:05,801 --> 00:37:10,161
Speaker 1: I do have a few things in the works that

689
00:37:11,241 --> 00:37:15,161
Speaker 1: I think are going to be very valuable to survivors.

690
00:37:16,681 --> 00:37:20,161
Speaker 1: I can't say too much on that, but I do

691
00:37:20,561 --> 00:37:24,201
Speaker 1: plan to like I do plan to get in the

692
00:37:24,241 --> 00:37:26,041
Speaker 1: media more. I have a few things that are coming

693
00:37:26,121 --> 00:37:29,721
Speaker 1: up as well. I do plan to get some get

694
00:37:29,761 --> 00:37:33,921
Speaker 1: involved in some campaigns with laws and legislation, and I

695
00:37:33,961 --> 00:37:37,521
Speaker 1: am going to manifest this. I do plan with all

696
00:37:37,761 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: my other advocates and FAKA to get a child sex

697
00:37:41,441 --> 00:37:45,321
Speaker 1: Offender registry that is available to the public in Australia

698
00:37:45,481 --> 00:37:47,561
Speaker 1: in action because it's needed.

699
00:37:48,521 --> 00:37:52,361
Speaker 2: I love that and I can honestly see it in

700
00:37:52,361 --> 00:37:56,281
Speaker 2: your eyes. You ain't stopping, and I believe you, and

701
00:37:56,481 --> 00:37:59,441
Speaker 2: I really think that. You know, I said something on

702
00:37:59,441 --> 00:38:02,241
Speaker 2: one of my pages yesterday. It was and I, you know,

703
00:38:02,281 --> 00:38:04,081
Speaker 2: after that little troll thing, and I threw a little

704
00:38:04,121 --> 00:38:06,401
Speaker 2: video up that SB did on me, and it talks

705
00:38:06,441 --> 00:38:11,041
Speaker 2: about what experience I endured, and I thought, you know

706
00:38:11,081 --> 00:38:14,681
Speaker 2: what fuck is? Go and watch this and then see

707
00:38:14,881 --> 00:38:17,361
Speaker 2: what the passion is behind what I try to achieve

708
00:38:17,401 --> 00:38:20,721
Speaker 2: and do. You can't. You can't. You can't hurt us.

709
00:38:21,001 --> 00:38:23,841
Speaker 2: You can't. You can't take anything from us. You can't

710
00:38:24,641 --> 00:38:26,881
Speaker 2: all right, lock us up? I can you find us?

711
00:38:26,921 --> 00:38:30,041
Speaker 2: Do this abuse us? So you can't break us. We've

712
00:38:30,121 --> 00:38:33,881
Speaker 2: been broken to the point that you're you're you're in

713
00:38:34,041 --> 00:38:38,601
Speaker 2: peace is beyond beyond. You can't you know the strength

714
00:38:38,641 --> 00:38:41,401
Speaker 2: that we as survivors, and all you survivors out there

715
00:38:41,401 --> 00:38:43,841
Speaker 2: that are listening to this, hold your head up. I'd

716
00:38:43,881 --> 00:38:46,761
Speaker 2: be proud of who you are, absolutely, and all of

717
00:38:46,761 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: you out there that are feeling that you may want

718
00:38:49,481 --> 00:38:52,681
Speaker 2: to open up, just do it. Open up. There's nothing

719
00:38:52,721 --> 00:38:57,081
Speaker 2: wrong with coming forward and speaking up about you are

720
00:38:57,441 --> 00:39:02,721
Speaker 2: being a survivor of any sexual abuse, whether it be family, friend, institutional,

721
00:39:02,801 --> 00:39:06,001
Speaker 2: whatever it is. And people like you are the ones

722
00:39:06,041 --> 00:39:08,161
Speaker 2: that are going to be able to help these wonderful

723
00:39:08,161 --> 00:39:11,801
Speaker 2: people out there to find peace within themselves. We never

724
00:39:11,841 --> 00:39:16,081
Speaker 2: ever forget it. I will never forgive. I just you know,

725
00:39:16,161 --> 00:39:19,321
Speaker 2: I'm a humble man, I'm a religious. Look, I love life,

726
00:39:19,361 --> 00:39:21,681
Speaker 2: I love my fam but I wouldn't and look, and

727
00:39:21,721 --> 00:39:23,721
Speaker 2: I've said it, I sat in the yard for years

728
00:39:23,761 --> 00:39:25,721
Speaker 2: waiting for one of those fucking dogs to walk through.

729
00:39:25,761 --> 00:39:27,441
Speaker 2: I was going to stab him to death on the spot.

730
00:39:28,001 --> 00:39:29,961
Speaker 2: It was just something in beat. I'm thank god it

731
00:39:30,001 --> 00:39:32,241
Speaker 2: never happened because I would never have my children today,

732
00:39:32,241 --> 00:39:35,841
Speaker 2: and I'd be they would have won. They would have won,

733
00:39:35,921 --> 00:39:38,441
Speaker 2: you know. So, but I do have a voice, and

734
00:39:38,481 --> 00:39:42,721
Speaker 2: I have successfully brought justice to some of those perpetrators

735
00:39:43,041 --> 00:39:45,441
Speaker 2: through my voice and the actions that I've taken. And

736
00:39:45,481 --> 00:39:50,321
Speaker 2: I won't say through what organizations and so on, because yeah,

737
00:39:50,441 --> 00:39:52,721
Speaker 2: it's just unnecessary. I'll leave that up to you to

738
00:39:52,761 --> 00:39:59,241
Speaker 2: talk to people away from this podcast. So, guys, I'm

739
00:39:59,281 --> 00:40:02,081
Speaker 2: gonna ask mel you this question, and I do ask

740
00:40:02,121 --> 00:40:04,321
Speaker 2: of it of every guest. I don't know whether you've

741
00:40:04,361 --> 00:40:07,681
Speaker 2: heard this, but for those that are right now listening

742
00:40:07,761 --> 00:40:10,721
Speaker 2: to this, that are in deep thought that are survivors

743
00:40:11,161 --> 00:40:15,241
Speaker 2: that are truly struggling to speak out. What advice would

744
00:40:15,281 --> 00:40:15,641
Speaker 2: you give?

745
00:40:16,441 --> 00:40:18,801
Speaker 1: I was going to add to what you said before.

746
00:40:19,561 --> 00:40:23,121
Speaker 1: Do not be afraid to tell your story. Remember that

747
00:40:24,001 --> 00:40:29,361
Speaker 1: your silence protects them and it feels it's hard to

748
00:40:29,441 --> 00:40:32,121
Speaker 1: come forward, and I understand that, and you know you're

749
00:40:32,161 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: scared of everything. But honestly tell your story because it's

750
00:40:35,441 --> 00:40:38,441
Speaker 1: the most freeing, healing thing that you can do for yourself.

751
00:40:39,081 --> 00:40:41,521
Speaker 1: And just remember that if you do open up to

752
00:40:41,561 --> 00:40:44,841
Speaker 1: someone and they invalidate you, and you know, they say

753
00:40:44,881 --> 00:40:47,161
Speaker 1: something to you that makes you feel like you know

754
00:40:47,201 --> 00:40:49,641
Speaker 1: it was your fault or whatnot, or they don't believe you,

755
00:40:50,081 --> 00:40:53,281
Speaker 1: that's on them. That's that's a projection of them. That's

756
00:40:53,281 --> 00:40:56,281
Speaker 1: not on you. Don't stop telling your story because of that,

757
00:40:56,321 --> 00:40:58,641
Speaker 1: and don't shut up because of that. Just keep doing it.

758
00:40:58,721 --> 00:41:02,481
Speaker 1: Remember you're helping so many people, and you're freaking strong.

759
00:41:03,681 --> 00:41:07,921
Speaker 2: You are strong. We are strong, and together we are unbeatable.

760
00:41:08,081 --> 00:41:11,761
Speaker 2: And you know, I can't thank you enough. I can't

761
00:41:11,761 --> 00:41:14,441
Speaker 2: thank you enough for joining me this evening. And you

762
00:41:14,481 --> 00:41:17,281
Speaker 2: know you are a mum of three beautiful children and

763
00:41:17,321 --> 00:41:20,081
Speaker 2: you've given your time to share and you've really put

764
00:41:20,081 --> 00:41:23,121
Speaker 2: yourself out there, so you know, like for everybody out

765
00:41:23,161 --> 00:41:25,721
Speaker 2: there that's heard me say it a hundred times during

766
00:41:25,721 --> 00:41:29,521
Speaker 2: this interview, I mean it every word. You need to

767
00:41:29,521 --> 00:41:31,601
Speaker 2: be commended for the work you're doing and for your

768
00:41:31,601 --> 00:41:38,521
Speaker 2: bravery and your honesty. And let's let me ask you,

769
00:41:38,841 --> 00:41:41,921
Speaker 2: please come back and let us help in any way

770
00:41:42,041 --> 00:41:46,281
Speaker 2: possible to grow what you're trying to grow. I'll support you, guys,

771
00:41:46,441 --> 00:41:48,641
Speaker 2: I will do it through my media's and guys, if

772
00:41:48,681 --> 00:41:52,721
Speaker 2: you're out there and you let's work together. The more

773
00:41:52,761 --> 00:41:55,241
Speaker 2: of us that actually use our voice and our power

774
00:41:55,281 --> 00:41:58,961
Speaker 2: through our medias and platforms and make the noise, the

775
00:41:59,001 --> 00:42:02,321
Speaker 2: better opportunity we have of healing people and bringing justice

776
00:42:02,321 --> 00:42:06,721
Speaker 2: to these perpetrators. Mel Watson an amazing woman. Stay strong,

777
00:42:06,921 --> 00:42:11,641
Speaker 2: keep fighting believing what you're believing in. It is absolutely awesome.

778
00:42:11,801 --> 00:42:14,041
Speaker 2: And please come back to the clink.

779
00:42:14,521 --> 00:42:17,001
Speaker 1: I will not be a stranger. And thank you so

780
00:42:17,121 --> 00:42:19,921
Speaker 1: much for opening your platform up to this conversation. And

781
00:42:20,001 --> 00:42:21,281
Speaker 1: I'm so honored to be here.

782
00:42:22,321 --> 00:42:24,361
Speaker 2: It's been my honor. And guys, there you have it,

783
00:42:24,401 --> 00:42:27,001
Speaker 2: Mel Watson. What a story. We will hear more from

784
00:42:27,121 --> 00:42:30,961
Speaker 2: her in time. I hope you've enjoyed today's episode. It

785
00:42:31,001 --> 00:42:33,481
Speaker 2: has been a tough one and from both of us,

786
00:42:33,561 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: please be very kind to yourself. It is a very

787
00:42:37,481 --> 00:42:41,081
Speaker 2: triggering episode and reach out if you need to help.

788
00:42:41,681 --> 00:42:44,361
Speaker 2: There's lots of people out there that you can contact,

789
00:42:44,641 --> 00:42:46,801
Speaker 2: Mel being one of them, and she has left her

790
00:42:46,841 --> 00:42:51,521
Speaker 2: details there and look, I'm always open to a conversation personally.

791
00:42:53,721 --> 00:42:56,801
Speaker 2: Email me, message me, I'm there. I'll get back to you.

792
00:42:57,081 --> 00:42:59,601
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for you listening to this episode.

793
00:43:00,441 --> 00:43:06,681
Speaker 3: Best, don't try and make you off the book for

794
00:43:06,761 --> 00:43:08,601
Speaker 3: the record. You ain't trying to grow downy stuff for

795
00:43:08,641 --> 00:43:11,841
Speaker 3: you for the record, live on me going all the

796
00:43:11,881 --> 00:43:15,041
Speaker 3: way for the record. Ain't trying to link, no time

797
00:43:15,081 --> 00:43:16,641
Speaker 3: to waste all that for.

798
00:43:16,601 --> 00:43:22,081
Speaker 6: The record, for the record. H for the for the record,

799
00:43:23,041 --> 00:43:26,881
Speaker 6: for the record, for the record, for the record.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, m hm hm