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Speaker 1: We'd like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land

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Speaker 1: on which this podcast was produced, the Galligall people of

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Speaker 1: the Urination. We pay our respects to Elder's past and present.

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Speaker 2: Dear Diary, Today was quite rough and tough. The junes

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Speaker 2: here are massive. The sea is not too bad that

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Speaker 2: the wind's blowing the wrong direction.

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Speaker 3: I'm over that.

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Speaker 2: Think he's done in moderation.

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Speaker 4: Everything's plenty of.

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Speaker 2: One thing or the other. I've got a broken toe,

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Speaker 3: It's two thousand and seven Women, Mozambique and Bow Miles

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Speaker 3: is setting off on an epic.

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Speaker 5: Journey around the coast of Africa.

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Speaker 3: He's always been an adventurer, but this is his most

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Speaker 3: audacious trip yet. His plan is to travel the next

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Speaker 3: four thousand kilometers purely under his own steam in his small,

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Speaker 3: one man kayak. For the next five months here faced

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Speaker 3: huge swells, treacherous weather, and for six weeks of the

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Speaker 3: trip he'd be entirely alone. He'll make it just over

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Speaker 3: halfway before he decides to call it quids. But this

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Speaker 3: half journey isn't the end more a beginning for a

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Speaker 3: lifetime of adventures that will see Bow run six hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty kilometers through the Australian Alps, cross the bas

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Speaker 3: ninety kilometer commute. I'm at Middleton and this is Headgame today,

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Speaker 3: what it takes to live a life of adventure and

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Speaker 3: I'm extremely happy to say that I've got Bow miles

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Speaker 3: in for my head Game podcast. You're an adventurer explorer.

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Speaker 3: And when I say that to my son, because I'm

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Speaker 3: the same, I say, oh Dad, what do you do?

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Speaker 3: I said, I'm an adventurer and an explorer, and he

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Speaker 3: It's interesting that when I'm speaking to you, who is

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Speaker 3: what first ignited that sense of adventure in you bo?

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Speaker 5: Where did that come from?

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Speaker 6: I was my mum was pretty good at trying to

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Speaker 3: So your mom was keen to sort of wrap me

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Speaker 6: Well, she's a country kid, right, but she's also she

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Speaker 6: was an emergency nurse, and so she just saw all

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Speaker 4: So which kind of worked.

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Speaker 6: I didn't play much football as a kid, which I

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Speaker 4: But through the books that she bought me.

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Speaker 6: Really, I don't read as much now as I did

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Speaker 3: So that's what really sparked your interests were books and

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I can remember myself as a kid reading Roll

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Speaker 3: What was your first real adventure as a kid.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that it was the bursting the bubble. You know.

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Speaker 6: But he said, I can't go to a mate's place.

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Speaker 3: And what was the first adventure that you went on

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Speaker 4: Well, I set off for Everest, you know.

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Speaker 3: And what sparked that decision to have that segue? You

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Speaker 4: And none of it was overly success. None of it

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Speaker 3: Take me impact to that adventure, that expedition. What was

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Speaker 6: k's and there might be a small extinct headland which

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00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 6: is basically just a a bulbous section of the beach.

440
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:03,479
Speaker 4: That's what you're gunning for.

441
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 6: You're just looking for anywhere that's got the least or

442
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 6: some sort of lea side, like a little fold point,

443
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,120
Speaker 6: or somewhere where the swell and the movement of water

444
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 6: is less, or you're looking for something like a rip.

445
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 6: You know, you're looking for water to be traveling back

446
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 6: out to sea, and you want to get on that train.

447
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 6: But it's all moving too, and low tide to high

448
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 6: tide is always shifting. So you might have come in

449
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 6: on a high tide, you got all this water in

450
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 6: front of You're fantastic, But you get up in the

451
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 6: morning and it's low tide and you've got four hundred

452
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 6: meters of reef in front of you, you know. So

453
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 6: I was often having to drag my kayak down to

454
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 6: a small headland or somewhere that looks like it's.

455
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 4: More well easier to get out. So it was the

456
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 4: constant dance of that and the language barriers.

457
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 6: I didn't speak the local languages, so asking a local

458
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:49,640
Speaker 6: was somewhat useless.

459
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 4: And they're just seeing some alien dude rock up on

460
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 4: their coast, you know. They the I'm not sure whether

461
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 4: they should help you r rob you in.

462
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 5: So how do you feel when you're by yourself and me?

463
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 5: How you know?

464
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 3: How how isolating is it? You've now by yourself, You've

465
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 3: got quite a journey ahead of you. What you're feeling,

466
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 3: are you're thinking about you know, turning it in or

467
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 3: you just got you.

468
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 5: Just say I'm going to I'm going to finish this.

469
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 4: Bit of both.

470
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 6: The trouble is I mean to to sort of I

471
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 6: have an okay trigger, you know, as in, I'll pull

472
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 6: the pin when I know that it's going to do

473
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 6: either long term damage or I just can't go on

474
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 6: with my run across the Australian Alps, it was very

475
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 6: much the same. I plugged on because I knew my

476
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 6: leg wasn't was still okay.

477
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 4: It was okay. I was injured, but it was okay enough.

478
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 4: And with Africa, if I'd pulled the.

479
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 6: Pin anytime sooner, that was just an impatience thing or

480
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 6: would have been a knee jerk thing.

481
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 4: And I knew I kind of had to.

482
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 6: I don't enjoy suffering, but I don't mind if it

483
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 6: when it's sort of a means to an end either.

484
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 6: And I started to think in smaller chunks then to

485
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 6: get to Durban, re evaluate, get to Cape Town, see

486
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 6: what happened, just just to use those chunks of time.

487
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 6: And so that's what I do. It's, you know, and

488
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 6: then that's a classic tale, isn't it of adventures. It's

489
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 6: a breakdown time and movement distantly.

490
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,239
Speaker 3: When do you finish and how do you feel that

491
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 3: you've you've you've you've you've finished this trip?

492
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 6: You know, we have defining moments in our life, don't

493
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 6: we and finishing Africa or getting to I got to

494
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 6: Cape Town.

495
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 4: I'd had to.

496
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,479
Speaker 6: Borrow a paddle at that stage because I'd lost a paddle,

497
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 6: and so I was using this new fangled paddle of

498
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 6: scoop paddle and I had ten and I was all

499
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 6: through my arms.

500
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 4: It was too stiff and too fast for I'll plug

501
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 4: it here.

502
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 6: And so I was, you know, and I was in

503
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 6: love with like three women. I had negative money in

504
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 6: my bank account.

505
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 3: It was just shit.

506
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 5: Talk to me about these three women.

507
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 6: Well I one in England, one in South Africa and

508
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 6: one in Australia. And along the way mate, Well no

509
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 6: I didn't want to, but you know, these things just happened,

510
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 6: you know. And so I'm in a bit of a

511
00:23:55,640 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 6: rock and a hard place emotionally and physically economically, which

512
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 6: is which is good for adventure, you know, when you

513
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 6: push yourself into a corner. But I had to pull

514
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 6: the pin. Then it's you know, the seasonal stuff, and

515
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 6: getting up to Na Bibia was going to be a

516
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 6: political nightmare too, So that was a relatively easy decision

517
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 6: to stop the trip. It was a month short of

518
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 6: when I wanted to be, but I was way I

519
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 6: was way short of where I wanted to be physically

520
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 6: anyway geographically.

521
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 5: So you pull the pin.

522
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 3: Was that quite a bittersweet moment where you were just like,

523
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 3: pull the pin, forget about the footage? You know? Did

524
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 3: you feel disappointed? Did you feel like absolutely yourself down?

525
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,719
Speaker 3: Did it? And the more that you, you know, the

526
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 3: more that you sort of sit and dwell on it,

527
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 3: the more it agitates you, the more the deeper that

528
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 3: footage gets.

529
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 6: Right, totally, it was a bit of a festa. And I,

530
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 6: you know, this is where this whole notion of success

531
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 6: comes in. There was there were lots successful about that trip,

532
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 6: but more unsuccessful I felt, you know.

533
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 4: So I came home with a.

534
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 6: Bit of a I don't know, a bit of a

535
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 6: debbie down atmosphere about me. I just thought that what

536
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 6: I'd taken on was overly ambitious, not enough training or research,

537
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 6: and just a bit a bit ad hoc. And I thought, bo,

538
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 6: you've probably pulled the trigger on this a bit early.

539
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 6: You probably need to be a bit more of a

540
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 6: salty to do this for a longer period of time,

541
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 6: in a different phase of your life.

542
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 3: You know.

543
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 6: I just I felt like I cocked it up my

544
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 6: sort of one opportunity to have a grand adventure before

545
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 6: serious life kicked in.

546
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 4: I'd sort of miss misstepped on.

547
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 6: I thought, and so I was pretty cross at myself

548
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 6: with that, and sort of that's why the footage sat

549
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 6: in a box and I went off and did shorter

550
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 6: stuff and then some money and whatever.

551
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 5: You done six weeks solo paddling.

552
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: It's being an adventurer. Did you not just think, right,

553
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: let's just take the take the positives from the journey,

554
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: implement them and use them for the for the next

555
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 3: big adventure, because ultimately that was.

556
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 5: Coming right, Let's be honest.

557
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do now, I absolutely do now. But I

558
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 6: was I suppose I sulked a bit, you know, I

559
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 6: was still I've always been a positive dude.

560
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 4: But I think I got home and I was.

561
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 6: A bit of woe is me because I didn't climb

562
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 6: climb the peak that I wanted to climb. So I've

563
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 6: had to learn that maturity. And yeah, that was sort

564
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 6: of where it all set off from.

565
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: When did you think, right, let's get this switchage out,

566
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 3: let's actually make something of it. Unless you bring something

567
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 3: positive from the journey.

568
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 6: Well, as we know, some of the best stories of

569
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 6: all time are created with animosity or when you don't

570
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 6: succeed thought right, and so humility then percolated to the surface.

571
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 6: It wasn't I failed at my trip. I failed at

572
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 6: my original intention. Whereas you're right, there was so much

573
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,719
Speaker 6: good stuff in there. The people were amazing, the landscape

574
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 6: is remarkable. I scared the bollocks out of myself. I

575
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 6: went lots of highs and lows and all that great stuff.

576
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 6: It just didn't quite have the end result that I wanted.

577
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 6: But after a year or two of getting on with

578
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 6: things and sulking somewhat, it was like, right, come on,

579
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 6: make something of this, and positivity kick back in. I'm

580
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 6: a natural optimist, and let's make a story out of

581
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 6: this thing.

582
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 3: And you're an incredible storyteller as well. So you know,

583
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 3: looking back at that footage, sure, I'll.

584
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 6: Tell you what well, and maybe you stumbled upon it.

585
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 6: I wasn't until I started making that film, because I

586
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 6: realized I had to be a humble I didn't do

587
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 6: all the things I set out and I told people

588
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 6: I would just do I thought I'd do all those things,

589
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 6: and I didn't, and so I had to eat my

590
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 6: humble pie and become a different kind of storyteller.

591
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 4: And I think that sort of started me off on

592
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 4: this path of.

593
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 6: You don't have to be a hero bo, just go

594
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 6: and have a great time and shoot the every day.

595
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 3: Did you receive some bad news about a fellow kayaker

596
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: that passed away trying to paddle from Australia to New Zealand?

597
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 5: How did that hit you? Join that?

598
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 3: And was that one of the defying moments that sort

599
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: of defleated you and gave you made you decide to

600
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: call it a day.

601
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 6: It was part of it. It's probably where doubt started

602
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 6: to trickle in of this confident young bloke who was there.

603
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 6: And Jared was still with me at that stage. He

604
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 6: was he wasn't yet sick, and he filmed me being

605
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 6: I used to do a live radio across Australia each

606
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 6: week and I'm alive on radio to ABC in Australia

607
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 6: and the presenter says that Andrew who'd set off a

608
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 6: similar time to me, and I talked to before he left,

609
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 6: and he's a world class He was like the Alex

610
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 6: Honold of the solo sea kayiking world at that time,

611
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 6: you know, really kind of edgy ballsy stuff, willing to

612
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 6: go longer.

613
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 4: Further, with few commns.

614
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 6: It just sets off on these big, massive trips across

615
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 6: the golf of Carpenteria Tazzy in one hit and now

616
00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 6: in New Zealand. And for such a for such good,

617
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 6: you know, for all of my failings as a sea kayaker.

618
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 6: If I'm impulsive, he's patient. If I trained fifty ks,

619
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 6: he trains a hunt. You know, he was very good.

620
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 6: He was kind of the blueprint of what a mountaineering

621
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 6: sea kayker would look like in a sense. So to

622
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 6: hear him live on radio or by the presenter say, look,

623
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 6: Andrew's gone missing, presumed dead. They haven't found his kaykit

624
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 6: at that stage, I don't think I was. And I

625
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 6: was quite surprised by how emotional that made me.

626
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 4: I thought, Gee, how's this bloke, Who's who's so good? Die?

627
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 4: And I'm just doing a co steering trip, you know, geez,

628
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 4: what are you doing? Mate? You know? So I was

629
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 4: pretty sad about that.

630
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: Wow. And so you're dealing with all of that, and

631
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 3: were you dealing with that? Was there a morning a

632
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 3: morning process within that as well? That just in your

633
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: head sort of tarnished that trip.

634
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 4: I think so.

635
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 6: I mean I didn't know Andrew personally at all, but

636
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 6: but he was out there as a kind of he

637
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 6: was sort of representative of the zenith of what we

638
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 6: were doing. And my sat phone at that stage where

639
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 6: people were able to text, it lit up with texts

640
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 6: saying are you okay? You're okay because all the headlines

641
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 6: in Australia where Australian kayaker goes missing, And like I say,

642
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 6: the hindsight thing, absolutely, I look back at it now

643
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 6: and it's a sort of a change of tone in

644
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 6: that expedition based on that knowledge that Andrew was likely

645
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 6: dead and that he'd made a mistake or he got

646
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 6: so close. You know, they found his boat and in

647
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 6: it was one camera and.

648
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 4: He's got a photo of Matt Cook.

649
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 6: You know, he's got a photo of the peaks of

650
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 6: New Zealand, so he saw landfall.

651
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 4: And then, as we know, so.

652
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 6: Many drivers make those fatal mistakes five ten k from home,

653
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 6: you know.

654
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 4: Their faculties just ease a bit. Now.

655
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 6: He was strung out like all buggery by that stage too,

656
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 6: but you know, he did so much of the journey

657
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 6: and then it all just came to put and yeah,

658
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 6: they played on me for weeks.

659
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: Revisit the footage. When you actually realize what you've got

660
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: and what you achieved and you know the moments that

661
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 3: you had, does it reignite a positive spik within yourself

662
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: to not only get this footage out, but also to

663
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: get back out there and give things another crack, whether

664
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: it's another expedition, another task or whatever.

665
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: It was absolutely, yeah, get over yourself boat. There's plenty

666
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 4: of life to go.

667
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 6: You know. It was this success in so many ways

668
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 6: and a failing in so many ways, and that's cool,

669
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 6: that's fine, get over it and make.

670
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 4: Up for it with other ways.

671
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 6: And I realized too then that that was all self

672
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 6: shot and only probably about a fifth or you know,

673
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 6: every five films I shoot these days a self shot.

674
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 6: There's real craft in just how you go about you

675
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 6: every day or every week when you're expeditioning. And it

676
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 6: was just learning your craft, learning what you're doing out there,

677
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 6: and you know what, don't take it so seriously, mate,

678
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 6: nor yourself. Just go out there and have a go.

679
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: Yes, So it gave you the kick up the ass

680
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: that you needed to, Yeah, ignite yourself back into back

681
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: in the game, get your sort yourself up by get

682
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: your head back in the game.

683
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're all right, mate, there's plenty of people suffering

684
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 6: real problems and you're moaning about your trip around Africa

685
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 6: didn't quite go like your thought.

686
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 4: Come on mate, you know.

687
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, but when.

688
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: You're when you're engulfed with it is. Yeah, it's a

689
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: lot more it's a lot more dramatized than it is

690
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 3: in your head, isn't it. So Yeah, once you engulf

691
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: yourself with something like that, and you know you give

692
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: so much of your time to it, it's normal that

693
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: you do that of in the same headspace. Were you

694
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: surprised or did you forget about some of the footage

695
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: that you had and when you revisited it with you like.

696
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 4: God, this is actually pretty cool.

697
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 5: So I've got to get this out there.

698
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. If I edited it now, I'll be fascinating.

699
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 6: And I've contemplated it actually, and make make a mini

700
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 6: series of Africa again, just in little nuggets and make.

701
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 4: It sort of youtubeable. Yeah.

702
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 6: Absolutely, yeah, And there's some real gems in there the

703
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 6: year that I would tell a very different story now,

704
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 6: you know, I put myself kind of I protected my

705
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 6: ego a little still in the first edit, and I

706
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 6: wouldn't do that now, No way I'd go to town

707
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 6: on it.

708
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 3: Which journey more expedition really stands out for you that

709
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: you learn the most from.

710
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 6: I mean, I'll talk more recently. I ran the McMillan's

711
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 6: Walking Track. I ran that twenty twenty one, early twenty

712
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 6: twenty one. The film series. It only just came out

713
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 6: because it was a problematic story to tell because I

714
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 6: was no longer just running for the sake of trying

715
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 6: to run the fastest or longest or whatever it was.

716
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 6: It had a complicated story behind it, and so I'm

717
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 6: proud that I went back and did that.

718
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 4: And I'm a better.

719
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 6: Runner now than I was two years ago, and so

720
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 6: I'm sort of I look back on the footage and think,

721
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 6: to you, I was sort of training fifty or eighty

722
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 6: hours a week, you know, in kind of hills, not mountains,

723
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 6: and was able to make that work on sort of

724
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 6: a subpar body.

725
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 4: So I'm really proud of that. And they're hard days.

726
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 6: They're just hard days days on end where you just

727
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 6: suffer fest And so I'm proud for that of that

728
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 6: two hundred and twenty k run.

729
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've done. There's so many adventures that I want

730
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 3: to talk about because you've done so many. But you

731
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 3: you're almost the epitome of letting people know that you

732
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: can have an adventure in your own backyard. Right. You know,

733
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: you don't have to You don't have to seek your everese's,

734
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 3: you don't have to seek yourr you know, your cape horns,

735
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: you don't have to. There is literally adventure to be

736
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 3: had in your own backyard. And one of you, one

737
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 3: of your adventures which I love, and I don't know

738
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 3: if we could call it an adventure. I suppose it

739
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 3: is was eating your body weight in canned beans.

740
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, do you know? And here it is, so I've written,

741
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 6: like what a guy.

742
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 5: I love this?

743
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 6: You know, Ah, I've had all my book signings that

744
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 6: I've had in the past, I've almost signed as many

745
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 6: tins of beans as I have.

746
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 3: Just you could just talk us through that, mate, because honestly,

747
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: when that's why I say about adventure.

748
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 5: Normally people sick.

749
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: To one adventure and they're like, I'm going to hike,

750
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to kayak, or I'm going to run or

751
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: you know, you literally the most versatile adventurer I've ever met.

752
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 5: What made you want to eat your body weight in beans.

753
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 4: I don't know what film it was.

754
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 6: It was Dennis Quaid, I think where he miniaturizes himself

755
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 6: and he goes in this little capsule like a submarine,

756
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 6: in a body, and he's in a body, in a

757
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 6: tiny submarine, just cruising around someone's lymphatic system or veins. Anyway,

758
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 6: I suppose there's a bit of a long bud to draw,

759
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 6: But I do love the idea that I mean, our

760
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 6: body and what we put into it is going to

761
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 6: make us feel and think a particular kind of thing,

762
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 6: which is all we go adventuring for anyway, right, is

763
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 6: to feel something physically and to feel something emotionally and

764
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 6: spiritually in your.

765
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 4: Mind, whatever it might be.

766
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 6: So we've got all these things that we can manipulate

767
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 6: ourselves with. And of course food is such a huge one.

768
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 6: What would I think and feel and how would my

769
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 6: body react to just eating beans for however many days

770
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 6: it took, and I scratched out the figures, and forty days, yeah,

771
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 6: well thirty nine in the end, thirty nine days of

772
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 6: eating only beans, which was four to seven tins a day.

773
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 6: It was liberating and in the fact that I never

774
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 6: had to think about food, as in, if I was hungry,

775
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 6: I would just eat a tinner beans and that was it.

776
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 6: I'd never think about what I'm eating, how I'm going

777
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 6: to prepare it. I just crack it in and just

778
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 6: crack on. It was really quite liberating. But the body.

779
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 6: I went from an emotional state of sort of seven

780
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 6: to nine every day, which is my regular kind of life,

781
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 6: to just a six all the time. I was a six,

782
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 6: and so I got to view what it is like

783
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 6: to in some way be oppressed by food and what

784
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 6: the hell does adventure look like when you're only.

785
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 4: A six all the time.

786
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 6: And it was fascinating, was a fascinating insight into humanity,

787
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 6: into my what my body is capable of and what

788
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 6: my mind. You know, where does optimism come from? Bloody

789
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 6: comes from what you eat? Because I was just beige

790
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 6: all the time. And yeah, so it was an adventure

791
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 6: of somewhere. I didn't go anywhere, and that itself was

792
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 6: really challenging for me too. I didn't have the motivation

793
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 6: to go running or paddling. I didn't have the energy

794
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 6: to do it as much, and so I had to

795
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 6: make a story out of feeling pretty shit and doing

796
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 6: something really different and so there was challenges coming at

797
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 6: me from all over the place, and it was it

798
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 6: was kind of cool.

799
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: No, I love I love the humor in adventure as well,

800
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: because when we talk about adventure and we look at adventure,

801
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: everyone thinks it's going to be sort of really arduous

802
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: and you know, you know, hardcore, and there's got to

803
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 3: be some kind of traumatic sort of experience in there

804
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: that's going to change you for the rest of your life.

805
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: But ultimately the humor and adventure is super import as well.

806
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: You know, you've got to be able to look at

807
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 3: adventure from the bright side and be able to smile

808
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: at it and be able to laugh at it.

809
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 4: Right, Well, yeah, I look, I suppose so.

810
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 6: And yet I've you know, when your producer reached out

811
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 6: to me for our chat and I looked you up

812
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 6: on Wikipedia, and just because you know you wear similar age,

813
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 6: I think I've got a year on you. And in

814
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 6: terms of and you've done things that are far more

815
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 6: they're just so different to mine too. You know, your

816
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 6: life fascinates me incredibly because of the kind of I

817
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 6: think you have had all of these high end things

818
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 6: that are scary as hell and have different deeper meanings

819
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 6: and you've been told to do things and whatever. It's

820
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 6: just I think you create humility and fun out of

821
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 6: yours because you've had this counter experience and maybe you're

822
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 6: still having them. And I'm trying to just find my

823
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 6: own middle ground too. I haven't had the counter experiences

824
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 6: you have, and if I have, they've been self inflicted

825
00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 6: and probably mistakes.

826
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 4: And so I'm.

827
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 6: Often thinking to you, how do I just milk? Because

828
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 6: I love all the fantastic positive aspects of adventure and

829
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 6: they're often really good hard work, but they're not death

830
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 6: defying anymore. And I think that's healthy. And so yeah,

831
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 6: that's where the smiles and the laughs come in, because

832
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 6: you know you're just out here by choice.

833
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 3: And they say that beans, beans are good for your heart.

834
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: The more you eat, the more you far.

835
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 4: That's totally true.

836
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 5: That correct.

837
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 4: I needed no help in that department.

838
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 6: And I'm one of the bloody windiest blokes I know.

839
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: How do you go from kayaking to running? Are you

840
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: just a naturally fit individual that's got a super resilient mindset?

841
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 5: What made you switch up?

842
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 3: And why? Six hundred and fifty koments through the Australian Alps.

843
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 6: Well I like, I'm probably more of a runner than

844
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 6: I was a paddler. Even that that was my release

845
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 6: as a fourteen fifteen year old kid. I thought I

846
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 6: can run and burst the bubble of my home. Lived

847
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 6: on a small farm with dad, So that was a

848
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 6: good release for me as a young bloke going through

849
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 6: kind of puberty, I suppose. So I became a runner

850
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 6: before well and truly before a paddler, and so that

851
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 6: was always my default, and I was always okay, you know,

852
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 6: I've got a good heart, good strong heart. The only

853
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 6: thing I can say about my body is that it's

854
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 6: kind of an abusible body in that I just don't

855
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 6: get injured all that much. I have a strength, So

856
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 6: I'm lucky. I've got my mum's body. She was a

857
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 6: great athlete. And once you kind of know that, you

858
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 6: sort of lean into it a little. And so I

859
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 6: was able to run longer and longer distances when I

860
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 6: started to get into it, and I do things, you know,

861
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 6: I did it as a twenty Well, I did the

862
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 6: Big Run as a thirty something year old bloke, but

863
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 6: it was on ten years worth of just training ad

864
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 6: hoc but always running.

865
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 4: I've always run, and it would been was. I was

866
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 4: so surprised.

867
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 6: You know, this is when the Pacific Crest and the

868
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 6: Appalachian and a lot all the European big famous walks

869
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 6: are being run for fastest known times and it's becoming

870
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 6: a bit of a thing. And I was shocked to

871
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 6: know that the Australian ups walking track had never been run.

872
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 6: It had been attempted for four or five years by

873
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 6: a bunch of blokes and it had been knocked back

874
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 6: with weather and snow events and landslides and fires and

875
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 6: all sorts of stuff, you know. And I just got lucky.

876
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 6: I just picked my time and away I went and

877
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 6: was able to get the job done on a bit

878
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 6: of a shonky leg. But it was remarkable. Yeah, And

879
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 6: like Africa, like Day sixty two in Africa, big waves

880
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 6: and being scared to death. I learned a lot about

881
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 6: myself out there with the body demise, more than.

882
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 4: I'd ever had.

883
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 5: How long did it take you?

884
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 4: Thirteen days? Ten hours?

885
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 6: I think maybe a couple of minutes and that, but

886
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 6: it's down to now eleven eleven days and something so

887
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 6: and look, people will pop.

888
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 5: You were the first to do it. You broke that moll.

889
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, first to get first to string it toget. Yeah, yeah,

890
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 6: and so and that held for four or five years,

891
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 6: and now people are whittling away five and ten hours

892
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 6: at a time every time they do it. But it's

893
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 6: a long lots of wheels can come off, you know.

894
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 6: There's twenty eight thousand meters of vertical terrain and a

895
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 6: lot of sections that are bush bashing blackberries or hot

896
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 6: bush or just just thick jungle for kilometers at a time.

897
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 6: So it's it's hard. It's not like the at of

898
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 6: the PC that's pretty slick.

899
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 4: In a sense. Yeah.

900
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 5: And how did you sleep? Were you just literally sleeping

901
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 5: off the trail?

902
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I had.

903
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 6: I was fully supported, so my brother in law and

904
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 6: my parents pinch hit for a couple of nights. Yeah,

905
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 6: it was good, and I was sort of averaging fifty

906
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 6: odd k's a day because I did the longer route.

907
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 4: There's lots of various I did the easier route.

908
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 6: So whenever there was an up and over a mountain,

909
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 6: over single track, or go around contoured fire trail, I

910
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 6: do the contoured fire trail. So I kind of cheated

911
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 6: in some respects but attacked on an extra fifty k's.

912
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 4: But I had.

913
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 6: I had relatively good access by Charlie, my brother in

914
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 6: Laura full drive, so I'd just yeah, I'd just roll

915
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 6: out of swag and sleep in a swag or a

916
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 6: tent and just snorm my head off and get up

917
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 6: in the morning. And it was I was roughly twelve

918
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 6: hours on trail each day and four hours of just

919
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 6: mosing around a meal, and I had eight.

920
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 4: Square hours of sleep every day. It was good.

921
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: Wow. So that and the trip around Africa keep Horn,

922
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: those are two that that really stick out to you.

923
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean they're the bigger, longer range things that

924
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 6: saw a mind and body demise or where you you

925
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 6: know where you have those. You know, every three or

926
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 6: four days you have a questionable moment in your mind.

927
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 4: You why am I doing this? What's the point of this?

928
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: And why why do you do it? I answer that question,

929
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: what is the point in it? There must be for

930
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 3: you to keep doing it?

931
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 6: Well, I suppose it's a bit like when I pass

932
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 6: something that's that's usable or good loot on the you know,

933
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 6: someone has hard rubbish on the side of the road

934
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 6: and I pass it, and I see it, and I

935
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 6: have room in the car. I can't unsee it, and

936
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 6: I go back and I genuinely get it. And when

937
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 6: I have these moments of clarity where I think, oh,

938
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 6: you know what that trail I'd love to run or

939
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 6: walk that trail or paddle that particular coast. If I

940
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 6: still have that thought a day or two later, and

941
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 6: I write a hundred words about it in a notebook

942
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 6: or a thing, it just manifests it in beds and

943
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 6: that's it. And then it says, the pride thing, Let's

944
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 6: let's do this. I've had the thought, it's got it's

945
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 6: got legs, let's see it through. And so then I

946
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 6: just and I'm genuinely excited about new places, both real

947
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 6: and imagined. Absolutely so that once once a story has

948
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 6: struck and I'm keen to do it and it excites me,

949
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 6: then away I.

950
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 5: Go, yeah, what fascinates me about you? Bo is?

951
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: You know the extent of your adventures, like you said,

952
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 3: the big ones, you know, paddling Cape Horn and running

953
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 3: the Australian app through the Australian out the six hundred

954
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: and fifty kilometer to a ninety kilometer commute to work,

955
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: where you just thought, I've got ninety kilometers to commute

956
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 3: to work.

957
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 5: I'm not going to drive in. I'm going to walk in.

958
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 5: I'm going to run in. You do that as well,

959
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 5: don't you?

960
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 4: I did. Yeah, that was it was part of my

961
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 4: commute series. I only did two of the four.

962
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 6: It was going to be walk, then paddle, then ride

963
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 6: a horse, then take a balloon. The last two were

964
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 6: a bit harder to arrange, and I got made redundant

965
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 6: in between, so perfectly I didn't have to do those

966
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 6: last two. But the paddle at was the hardest adventure

967
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 6: I've ever had, hands down. So I took four days

968
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 6: to get to work, which it usually takes me seventy

969
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 6: five minutes to get to work, and that took me

970
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 6: four full on days dragging a kayak. It was sort

971
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 6: of almost like an Arctic trip of glaciation. You know,

972
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 6: you're just having to drag this kayak through everything and

973
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 6: anything and then paddle certain sections. It was fricking hard

974
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 6: and brilliant too. It was brilliant, one of the best

975
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 6: adventures I've ever had, and it was often ten or

976
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 6: twenty meters from the road.

977
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 4: I always drive amazing.

978
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 3: So where is your mindset at? On a daily basis?

979
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 3: You could because you're one of these people. You could

980
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 3: step outside your door. You're seeing adventure and you'll want

981
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 3: to do it.

982
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 4: Yeah.

983
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 6: I'm far more disciplined now, and I write things down,

984
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 6: and I'm a family man with two little girls and

985
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 6: a wife, and so things are far more strategic.

986
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, But.

987
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 6: You know, I am intimidated by life in a sense

988
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 6: that while I'm scared of death, and two I'm scared

989
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 6: of not doing enough in my years I have left.

990
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 6: So it's always for me now it's about what are

991
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 6: the best ideas? Because ideas are cheap, and the hard

992
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 6: part is to make good of your best ideas. And

993
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 6: so I'm constantly trying to whittle down the best ideas

994
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 6: into the best stories which give me the best day

995
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 6: to day bang for buck.

996
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 3: And how important is it to get your story across?

997
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 3: How important is storytelling? Because ultimately that's all we have

998
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 3: to leave behind, right I suppose.

999
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 6: So, although I'm becoming more of a skeptic of legacy, because.

1000
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 4: I suppose once I'm gone, I'm gone.

1001
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 6: And I think of all the people I greatly respect

1002
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 6: to left stories and artwork and things, and I think

1003
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 6: they're magnificent. But I love their artwork, but i'd much

1004
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 6: rather them be here too. So the legacy between a

1005
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 6: legacy and a person, I'd much rather take the person.

1006
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 6: So yeah, the thing with stories for me now is

1007
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 6: that that's how I own my money. So it's just

1008
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 6: honing my craft. I'm just a carpenter that wants to

1009
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 6: become better on the tools, you know. So I'm just

1010
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 6: trying to create and I want to burst the bubble

1011
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 6: of It's about eighty percent male thirty to fifty that

1012
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 6: watch my stuff online and I want to I want

1013
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 6: to crack out of that and get more genders and

1014
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 6: more age diverse and more and more, you know, just

1015
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 6: people in weird corners of the world.

1016
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 4: So that's a real challenge.

1017
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 3: Our final question before we wrap up, if your daughters

1018
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 3: want to go on some crazy adventures, No go with them?

1019
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 5: Does that go with them? Does he stay at home?

1020
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 4: I trust them, I think to either have me along

1021
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 4: or not.

1022
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 6: I reckon I'd be a pretty good support crew, pretty handy,

1023
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 6: good at taping up wounds and reading maps for them.

1024
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 6: I hope they want to go on adventures. I think

1025
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 6: my oldest particularly will love it. But I love that

1026
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 6: idea too, of being able to go out and have

1027
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,479
Speaker 6: a full blown real sweatfest of an adventure that's hard

1028
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 6: with the girls when they're up for it. Jeez, it'll

1029
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 6: keep me young.

1030
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1031
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 5: I'm the same with my children.

1032
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: I've got my fourteen year old son now, and my

1033
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: wife has always told me be careful what you ignite

1034
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: within them, because now he wants to climb the seventh

1035
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 3: summits and guess what Dad's going with him?

1036
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 5: So that is brilliant.

1037
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 6: Now what about the military though, would you happily have

1038
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 6: him go to the military.

1039
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1040
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, yeah, the right person to point in the

1041
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 3: right direction.

1042
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,959
Speaker 6: Eh yeah, yeah, yeah, I suppose I was done. You good,

1043
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 6: So I suppose that makes sense.

1044
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 3: But listen, thank you so much for coming on my podcast.

1045
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: You've been fascinating and talk about adventure I think you

1046
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 3: home the true sense sense of adventurer because the versatility

1047
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: and the scalability that you that you go out and

1048
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 3: explore is phenomenal. It's humorous, it's inspiring. Mate, keep doing

1049
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 3: what you're doing, and I look forward to logging in

1050
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: and subscribe in to your YouTube channel mate, to see

1051
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 3: plenty more to come and listen.

1052
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 6: No more beans, no fair enough thasm Oh jeez, I

1053
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 6: get the beans thing a lot.

1054
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 4: Thanks Mane, Thanks man.

1055
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 5: Thanks so much for joining me on Headgame.

1056
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: If you enjoyed this episode, make sure you're subscribed so

1057
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 3: you don't miss any of our incredible stories, and leave me.

1058
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Speaker 5: A review wherever you're listening. I'm Att Middleton. Catch you

1059
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Speaker 5: again next time.