Speaker 1: Live on Sky News This Sharry Good Evening.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: A big exclusive tonight, I can reveal an American nuclear
Speaker 3: powered submarine will be in Australian waters from next week
Speaker 3: in what's described as a show of force against China.
Speaker 3: The full details coming up only on this program. American
Speaker 3: Congressman Michael McCall, the chair of the powerful Foreign Affairs Committee,
Speaker 3: has bucked in Peter Dutton's concerns over Palestinian visas. He
Speaker 3: says that any HMAS sympathizer could be a ticking time bomb.
Speaker 3: Michael McCall sat down with me for an exclusive interview.
Speaker 4: But you have to properly vet individuals before you bring
Speaker 4: them in to your country, otherwise you could be bringing in,
Speaker 4: you know, ticking time bombs, Hamas or other terrorists that
Speaker 4: could cause problems.
Speaker 3: This as Dutton fights off accusations of racism after he
Speaker 3: demanded a block on visas from the war zone.
Speaker 2: But first tonight.
Speaker 3: We're seeing utter hypocrisy from the Albanese government. Hamas is
Speaker 3: listed as a prescribed terror organization in Australia. This means
Speaker 3: that members of Hamas are literally banned and could be
Speaker 3: prosecuted in this country.
Speaker 2: So there's the very real question.
Speaker 3: Over whether Australian government policy to allow Hamas supporters from
Speaker 3: the front line of Gaza into Australia is contradicting its
Speaker 3: own laws. The heat should be firmly on the Prime Minister,
Speaker 3: his Foreign Minister and Tony Burke for radical policy lunacy
Speaker 3: get Instead, the focus today was on Peter Dutton, and
Speaker 3: Dutton was accused of racism for daring to suggest to
Speaker 3: the Albanesi government shouldn't be flying in terrorists from a
Speaker 3: war zone.
Speaker 5: I seek to try to bring people together, not always
Speaker 5: looking for.
Speaker 6: A wage or to divide, stopping racist leader of the
Speaker 6: opposition Order.
Speaker 7: Well, it was an offensive and unparliamentary remarket it should
Speaker 7: be withdrawn.
Speaker 8: Is a description of language being racist and unparliamentary remark.
Speaker 2: Let you say something about the children that are Bengus laughter.
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton is the leader of the Nasty Party. It's trumpion,
Speaker 2: it's despicable and it needs.
Speaker 7: To be called out.
Speaker 6: The coalition's gone too far.
Speaker 7: Yep, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 5: The last thing you want to be doing is heightening
Speaker 5: anger here in this country, and that's exactly what Peter
Speaker 5: Dutton's doing.
Speaker 3: And many media outlets work equally as critical good.
Speaker 6: To see it. Are you heartless, a heartless racist? Do
Speaker 6: you have any humanity?
Speaker 1: Mike Burgess says, if there's no ideological support for her mask,
Speaker 1: they're not a problem. Don't you trust ASIO? They check
Speaker 1: if someone provided for or material support to Hamas or
Speaker 1: if they have an ideology, so what else? And if
Speaker 1: they don't, they're fine to come in. What else do
Speaker 1: you want them to check?
Speaker 3: Well, we've been reporting on this program for months now
Speaker 3: that security vetting is being done in as little as
Speaker 3: an hour, sometimes as well just a day, and in
Speaker 3: many occasions it's not even sent to ASIO for checking
Speaker 3: at all. The City Morning Herald, which as you know,
Speaker 3: has a long history of anti Israel coverage, cold Dutton heartless,
Speaker 3: saying his hardline approach is cruel to people fleeing war.
Speaker 3: This has a human cost, and Dutton may find it
Speaker 3: has a political cost, but the reality is the precise opposite.
Speaker 3: It's heartless for Albanezi to bring in potential terror supporters
Speaker 3: to Australia and put Australian lives at risk. Hermas doesn't
Speaker 3: only hate Jews, but all Westerners and the very values
Speaker 3: we all stand for, not all Palestinians, of course, support
Speaker 3: her Mus although so many are indoctrinated from birth to
Speaker 3: hate Jews, as we revealed on this show. As I
Speaker 3: said for months now, because we have been exposing the
Speaker 3: security flaws, and this is journalism, there are enormous flaws
Speaker 3: in the security process to determine whether people coming to
Speaker 3: Australia from the war zone are genuine refugees or have
Speaker 3: a problematic history. It's not racism to be concerned about
Speaker 3: terrorists or their supporters coming to Australia when social cohesion
Speaker 3: is already at breaking point and the terror threat level
Speaker 3: is rising. Foreign editor The Australian Greg Sheridan put it
Speaker 3: perfectly when he writes that Australian government policy has been
Speaker 3: historically to be cautious about taking people from radicalized populations.
Speaker 2: He says that we can have and should have.
Speaker 3: A generous refugee policy without accepting radicalized people. Sheridan asks,
Speaker 3: is it now Australian government policy that support for a
Speaker 3: terrorist organization is not enough to disqualify someone from coming
Speaker 3: to Australia, indeed coming and settling permanently, And he describes
Speaker 3: this position as wildly radical new policy which the government
Speaker 3: either has to.
Speaker 2: Explain or abandoned.
Speaker 3: Sheridan says that if refugees are to be resettled, the
Speaker 3: United Nations preference is for that to be in their
Speaker 3: own region, and he says he points out the Gaza
Speaker 3: is surrounded by hundreds of millions of Arabic speaking people
Speaker 3: in predominantly Muslim, Arab and North African countries, which are
Speaker 3: obvious places for refugees. Greg Sheridan argues that the government
Speaker 3: has got itself into an absurd situation, a completely ridiculou
Speaker 3: rhetorical bind in which it cannot even say that supporting
Speaker 3: a terrorist organization disqualifies an applicant from coming to Australia.
Speaker 3: He says, if that is the government's position, it should
Speaker 3: not hide behind Asio but actually tell us how it
Speaker 3: came to such a radical conclusion that some support for
Speaker 3: terrorist organization is okay, and whether this is now Australian
Speaker 3: policy going forward. He says, interrogating these issues is not
Speaker 3: remotely racist, but the Prime Minister has been unable to
Speaker 3: actually guarantee and promise Australians that rigorous security checks are
Speaker 3: being done in every instance, unable to answer the questions
Speaker 3: about why some security checks are only taking one hour,
Speaker 3: and why he must sympathizers could have already been let
Speaker 3: into the country. Well, they can't answer those questions, so
Speaker 3: that Albanezi government can only attack dutt It no answers,
Speaker 3: just emotional attacks. And alban Easy seriously misled Australians today
Speaker 3: and it was breathtaking to watch unfold life because he
Speaker 3: claimed that ASIO Director General Mike Burgess had said that
Speaker 3: security checks were being done. Now, listen very carefully to
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister's remarks here.
Speaker 5: I'll refer to what the ASIO Director General himself has said.
Speaker 5: If they've been issued a visa, they've gone through the process,
Speaker 5: they're referred to my organization and Asia. Does it seems.
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 3: He stopped reading the direct quote halfway through.
Speaker 2: In the very next sentence.
Speaker 3: Mike Burgess said that not all visas had been sent
Speaker 3: to them in time. Have A listened to what Mike
Speaker 3: Burgess actually said.
Speaker 8: So for all immigration, including when you're balancing humanitarian needs,
Speaker 8: security checks are critically There are process in place, and
Speaker 8: I can assure your audience that when things get referred
Speaker 8: to Asia, we deal with them effectively. Of course, there
Speaker 8: might be times when they didn't get referred to us
Speaker 8: in time. Once we become aware of them, we're able
Speaker 8: to do the assessments and deal with them effectively.
Speaker 3: There might be times when they haven't been referred to
Speaker 3: us in time. That is what Mike Burgess said. That
Speaker 3: is what the Prime Minister did not read out in
Speaker 3: question time.
Speaker 2: This is deeply misleading.
Speaker 3: Of the Prime Minister to misquote Burgess and take him
Speaker 3: out of context, to leave out the part where the
Speaker 3: head of ASIO said, actually, not all Palestinian visa applicants
Speaker 3: were sent to us in time. It's too late when
Speaker 3: they're ready in our country. When Tony Burke has said,
Speaker 3: oh we can't. No government in its right mind would
Speaker 3: send anyone back to Gaza. Dutton then did point out
Speaker 3: that Albinizi had misquoted Mike Burgess and asked him to
Speaker 3: correct the record.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister refused to do so.
Speaker 3: Now this entire time topic is a fight that Peter
Speaker 3: Dutton is happy to have. There's no question most Australians
Speaker 3: would be highly concerned about her must sympathizers arriving in
Speaker 3: our country. Even the City Morning Herald's Resolve poll found
Speaker 3: that only ten percent of Australians wanted to accept Palestinian refugees.
Speaker 3: So as long as the coalition is speaking about whether
Speaker 3: to allow her Mus supporters into the country, where alban
Speaker 3: Easy looks shakier and weaker as Prime minister, it seems
Speaker 3: his true character as a radical pro Palestinian activist yelling
Speaker 3: into a microphone at a rally where the American flag
Speaker 3: was burned. Well, this is now emerging and it poses
Speaker 3: a very real danger to our country. Owing well, all right,
Speaker 3: don't forget still coming up on the show with got
Speaker 3: that big exclusive about the American nuclear powered submarine that
Speaker 3: is going to be in Australian waders next week. That's
Speaker 3: still coming up. But right now, let's bring in to
Speaker 3: night's panel Sky News commentator Jason Morrison and perth Mere
Speaker 3: Basil Zemplus. Welcome to you both, Basil, Starting with you, look,
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton said today that even if ninety nine percent,
Speaker 3: even if that's the case, ninety nine percent of Palestinians
Speaker 3: coming from the war zone innocent our refugees, there's no
Speaker 3: problems with them, even if they don't.
Speaker 2: Agree with Hermas.
Speaker 3: He said that one percent could pose a security threat,
Speaker 3: could potentially commit a terror attack and could cost lives,
Speaker 3: So why risk And it's not just Jewish Australians, although
Speaker 3: we feel it acutely at the moment, but why risk
Speaker 3: all Australian.
Speaker 10: Lives exactly and almost on Q A sort of wave
Speaker 10: of negativity towards Peter Darton very quick for his opponents
Speaker 10: to play the race card.
Speaker 6: But consider it this way.
Speaker 11: I think most Australians with any good deal of common
Speaker 11: sense would say, we would want everybody coming to this country.
Speaker 11: We'd want to know who they are, we'd want to
Speaker 11: know their past, we'd want to make sure that they
Speaker 11: were properly vetted. I don't think too many people would
Speaker 11: disagree with that. If we can't properly vet the people,
Speaker 11: if they're not properly being vetted, then they shouldn't come.
Speaker 11: And it's no more complicated than that. I mean, we
Speaker 11: know what John Howard said back in two thousand and one.
Speaker 11: We decide who comes to this country and the circumstances
Speaker 11: in which they come. The message hasn't really changed. It's
Speaker 11: common sense. We need to know who they are, they
Speaker 11: need to be properly checked. If they're not properly checked,
Speaker 11: they can't come. That's what Dunton's saying it's not that complicated, Jason.
Speaker 3: That clip I just played it at the end of
Speaker 3: my remarks. They're Albin Easy when he was a federal politician,
Speaker 3: he was already in Parliament to that point, yelling into
Speaker 3: the megaphone.
Speaker 2: I play it all the time.
Speaker 3: Because I think it is so critical to his approach
Speaker 3: to this issue.
Speaker 9: Think, yeah, we elected phony Albow, but that's real Albo,
Speaker 9: that's the real guy. The real guy is just like
Speaker 9: Sarah Hanson yat. The real guy thinks this is an
Speaker 9: emotional argument. I know it's really it's tempting to want
Speaker 9: to talk about the one percent thing. I actually want
Speaker 9: to talk about the ninety nine percent. I want to
Speaker 9: talk about why Australia, twelve thousand kilometers from the Middle East,
Speaker 9: depending on which way you fly, three continents away, has
Speaker 9: become the nation that has to do this.
Speaker 7: I mean, Syria, where are you? Where are you? Jordan?
Speaker 7: Where are you? Oh?
Speaker 6: I know why you don't want them?
Speaker 9: You don't want them, so Australia gets them. And this
Speaker 9: is the problem. Australia has kind of left itself there
Speaker 9: as open the door to let the world's problems into it.
Speaker 9: Australians don't want problems brought to its nation, So we
Speaker 9: look at the ninety nine percent and we focus on
Speaker 9: the one percent. I think we've seen enough in this
Speaker 9: country all ready to tell us that even without bringing
Speaker 9: refugees from troubled war zones, we have a big problem
Speaker 9: already in this country. Do we want to add to it?
Speaker 2: Yeahs.
Speaker 3: Social CO under Albanesi's watch has been sadly a breaking point.
Speaker 2: Now this is a big story today.
Speaker 3: The Liberal Party in New South Wales has failed to
Speaker 3: enroll dozens of candidates for the upcoming council elections.
Speaker 2: This is a major stuff up.
Speaker 3: There's around eighteen councils maybe more who could be impacted.
Speaker 2: This includes and if you're in.
Speaker 3: Sydney, Northern Beaches, Blue Mountains, Campbelltown, Camden Lane, Cove, shoh
Speaker 3: Haven and Woollongong. The state opposition leader in New South Wales,
Speaker 3: Mark Speakman, has called for the State Director, Richard Shields,
Speaker 3: to resign Basil this isn't just a worry for New
Speaker 3: South Wales, but given the state director is in charge
Speaker 3: of the federal campaign as well, do you think you know,
Speaker 3: are you worried that if this lack of administration is
Speaker 3: replicated at the federal level.
Speaker 2: That this could cause problems for the federal election.
Speaker 11: Well, clearly it speaks broadly to the professionalism of the
Speaker 11: organization organization. If a mistake is made at one level,
Speaker 11: then questions are going to be raised or asked about
Speaker 11: is this happening at other levels?
Speaker 6: Could it happen at other levels? It's not great clearly.
Speaker 11: In New South Wales, party affiliation is part of local
Speaker 11: government elections. Here in Western Australia it is not, although
Speaker 11: at times people are affiliated with parties and whold positions
Speaker 11: in local government, but they don't run as Liberal, Labor,
Speaker 11: Green or other candidates.
Speaker 6: Typically most people are independents.
Speaker 11: But over there you haven't got a lot to get
Speaker 11: right when you're doing that job as it pertains to
Speaker 11: local government elections, and that was one of them and
Speaker 11: it hasn't been done right.
Speaker 6: So there are some big questions to answer.
Speaker 3: Big questions. But Jason, do you think he should be sacked?
Speaker 3: That's what Mark Speakman's calling for.
Speaker 9: If he had any class, he and the other dits
Speaker 9: that's in the head of the Liberal Party, Don Harwin,
Speaker 9: the so called president of the New South Wales Liberal body,
Speaker 9: he should be gone too. I mean, a guy who's
Speaker 9: never achieved very much ever in public office is in
Speaker 9: charge of it, apparently an elections expert. If you ask
Speaker 9: anyone in the left of the Liberal Party, well, this
Speaker 9: is Don Harwin's work. This is how he handles election.
Speaker 9: He cocks them up.
Speaker 6: You know this Basil's right.
Speaker 9: In Western Australia, they don't endorse for local We didn't
Speaker 9: do it in New South Wales either for a very
Speaker 9: long time. I say we as in the Liberal Party.
Speaker 9: We's not a member of it, but I mean it
Speaker 9: didn't happen. And the reason that didn't happen is because
Speaker 9: the Liberal Party couldn't cope with it. But all these
Speaker 9: factional game players like Harwan and Photius and Keen and
Speaker 9: others that are in there, they've seen this as the
Speaker 9: breeding ground on the left of parlor of politics to
Speaker 9: try to create their own little clubs and it's just
Speaker 9: fallen over.
Speaker 6: Shields should be gone.
Speaker 9: If he had any class, he would go, which is
Speaker 9: tragic because he's actually a man of some capability, But
Speaker 9: he'll go. Harwin shouldn't even be there in the first place,
Speaker 9: and half the people that make up the state executive
Speaker 9: you wouldn't feed. So you've got this dilemma where, you know,
Speaker 9: if you're a conservative minded person, and I am unashamedly,
Speaker 9: you kind of have this situation where the people running
Speaker 9: the party that should be servicing your vale user needs,
Speaker 9: they're just bloody hopeless. And as a result of it,
Speaker 9: you've got a class of people in there that roll
Speaker 9: their eyes at traditional conservative voters and they can't even
Speaker 9: get the basic job right. How this has been allowed
Speaker 9: to happen. Peter Dunton's going to have to step in.
Speaker 9: They'll have to be a federally deventioned because even tonight
Speaker 9: they're defending this bloke's position, they're defending it.
Speaker 6: How they're staggering it really is.
Speaker 2: We'll keep covering it over the coming days.
Speaker 3: Just before we go, let's turn to this a fight
Speaker 3: that's brewing in the North Shore of Sydney.
Speaker 2: This is between some of the Teals.
Speaker 3: They've become household names, Kylie tink Zalie Staggle. This after
Speaker 3: fellow Independent oh and Sophie Scamps as well. So this
Speaker 3: is after the abolition of the Electorate of North Sydney
Speaker 3: and now the Teals are fighting over which seat they'll
Speaker 3: all run for. Balzo I just want to ask you
Speaker 3: a political question. Do you think the Teals are going
Speaker 3: to be as successful in this next federal election as
Speaker 3: they were in twenty twenty two or do you think
Speaker 3: that part of the reason they did so well was
Speaker 3: because there are a lot of Liberal voters who didn't
Speaker 3: like Scott Morrison, didn't want to vote for Scott Morrison,
Speaker 3: and they saw these female independents as another option.
Speaker 6: So my instinct is the latter.
Speaker 11: We know the set of circumstances that existed at the
Speaker 11: last federal election, Scott Morrison, for whatever reason, was on
Speaker 11: the nose with the electorate and the Liberals were in power.
Speaker 11: We know now it's a labor government and there is
Speaker 11: not that anti Morrison sentiment. He no longer exists in
Speaker 11: the Parliament. So therefore I think it's going.
Speaker 6: To be a lot harder for the Teals.
Speaker 11: However, many of them have built up a standing and
Speaker 11: a following in their local areas and so they will
Speaker 11: remain very competitive. But our circumstances as favorable, nowhere near
Speaker 11: as favorable as they were three years ago.
Speaker 7: For the Teals.
Speaker 2: Very quickly, Jason, what do you reckon?
Speaker 6: I hope not that was quick That was good.
Speaker 3: All right, Basil's empliers Jase Morrison, great to see you both.
Speaker 3: Still to come my exclusive that an American nuclear powered
Speaker 3: submarine will be off the coast of Australia from next
Speaker 3: week in what's been described as a show of force
Speaker 3: against China. Those full details next, plus the chair of
Speaker 3: America's powerful Foreign Affairs Congressional Committee, Michael McCall.
Speaker 2: You can see him on the screen now.
Speaker 3: He's backed Peter Dutton's concerns over Palestinian visas, and McColl
Speaker 3: says that any must sympathizer could be.
Speaker 2: A ticking time bomb.
Speaker 3: That's coming up after this quick break, Welcome back.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 3: Today I sat down with the chair of the powerful
Speaker 3: United States Foreign Affairs Congressional Committee, Michael McCall, for an
Speaker 3: exclusive interview. The senior American congressman has been in Australia
Speaker 3: this week for meetings with Penny Wong, Richard Miles, and
Speaker 3: the head of our intelligence agencies Andrew Shearer. Is so
Speaker 3: concerned about China's increasing aggression in our region that McColl
Speaker 3: told me an American nuclear powered submarine will be off
Speaker 3: the coast of Perth from next week. It will then
Speaker 3: move through the Pacific. McColl said this is a show
Speaker 3: of force and will act as a deterrence against China.
Speaker 3: In our exclusive interview, McColl also expressed concerns about Palestinian visas,
Speaker 3: saying security vetting is extremely difficult and any Hamas sympathizer
Speaker 3: would be a ticking time bomb. He also revealed that
Speaker 3: he had been personally speaking to Saudi officials about taking
Speaker 3: on a roll in Gaza after the defeat of Hamas,
Speaker 3: and he said he was confident Donald Trump would support
Speaker 3: Orcas if he returns to the White House. Here's that interview.
Speaker 2: Have a look, Michael McCall. Great to have you here
Speaker 2: in Australia.
Speaker 7: Oh thanks, Jerry's great to be here.
Speaker 3: You are in question Time in Canberra yesterday in part
Speaker 3: Elament House. The big political issue this week has been
Speaker 3: whether there is enough security vetting of Palestinians who are
Speaker 3: coming to Australia from the war zone in Gaza. The
Speaker 3: Opposition leader Peter Darton has said that at this point
Speaker 3: in time, given there are no Australian officials on the
Speaker 3: ground able to do the interviews and the security checks,
Speaker 3: he said there shouldn't be any Palestinians coming to Australia.
Speaker 7: What do you.
Speaker 4: Think it was interesting to be, you know, in the
Speaker 4: Parliament seeing my counterparts. In Australia they get a little
Speaker 4: rowdy with their questions and answer series, which I kind
Speaker 4: of enjoyed.
Speaker 2: More than in the US.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be kind of fun to see that
Speaker 4: in the United States, you know, the interchange and having
Speaker 4: the Prime Minister on the floor taking you know, hits
Speaker 4: from the opposition. And I can't imagine the President of
Speaker 4: United States sitting in the.
Speaker 3: World and insults at him and.
Speaker 7: Then they take down the insults.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just withdrawal that to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we always think, you know, the Brits are more civilized,
Speaker 4: but sometimes and then the Australians.
Speaker 7: But it's very rowdy.
Speaker 4: But to answer your question, I think and I chaired
Speaker 4: the Homeland Security Committee for a long time as a
Speaker 4: federal prosecutor counter terrorism, and I'm very sympathetic to the
Speaker 4: Palestinian people who have been held hostage by Hamas. Really
Speaker 4: we want to find a safe haven, but you have
Speaker 4: to properly vet individuals before you bring them in to
Speaker 4: your country, otherwise you could be bringing in you know,
Speaker 4: chicking time bombs, Hamas or other terrorists that could cause
Speaker 4: problems in my own country. After the fall of Afghanistan,
Speaker 4: thousands of vices k came out of the Bogram prisons.
Speaker 4: They went up to the Krzon region which was Pakistan,
Speaker 4: Afghanistan to Zakistan. They made all the way to the
Speaker 4: Mechican border, came up through Mexico and the United States,
Speaker 4: and eight of them are detained. They also have smuggling
Speaker 4: ring and god knows how many more in the United States,
Speaker 4: and that worries me.
Speaker 3: And the most important thing, the greatest obligation of any
Speaker 3: political leader is to protect your own citizens first and
Speaker 3: foremost to protect national security.
Speaker 7: I think the most important.
Speaker 4: Both of any office, whether it's Congress or the Prime
Speaker 4: Minister or the President, is to protect people from outside threats.
Speaker 3: Do you think both sides of United States politics are
Speaker 3: equally as committed to August Do you think Australians can
Speaker 3: rest assured that this will go through, that we will
Speaker 3: have nuclear powered submarines irrespective of whoever's in power.
Speaker 7: Yes, I do.
Speaker 4: And you know I made sure when the bill I
Speaker 4: passed was bipartison very important that we not played politics
Speaker 4: with US one nation, one voice Australia. I can tell
Speaker 4: you I met with your leadership from the top down.
Speaker 4: Everyone is strongly supportive. That was exciting to see.
Speaker 3: How soon do you think we'll have nuclear powered submarines
Speaker 3: in Australia.
Speaker 4: Well, I think you're gonna see rotations soon. In fact,
Speaker 4: the certification on Pillar two, which is the innovation and technology,
Speaker 4: will come out in the States probably later today and
Speaker 4: you'll hear about it here tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Mean rotations.
Speaker 4: Subs US class subs that will rotate through Perth and
Speaker 4: other ports in Australia.
Speaker 3: As a show of strength to China, show your force,
Speaker 3: and they'll be nuclear powered submarines.
Speaker 7: Correct.
Speaker 2: That's incredible. So when you're expecting that to begin.
Speaker 4: Well, we've been waiting for the certification process. Your apartiament,
Speaker 4: the Australian Parliament was required to pass export control laws,
Speaker 4: which they did.
Speaker 7: Is very proud of them. And now we can begin.
Speaker 4: Because you know, when I met with the intelligence community,
Speaker 4: this thing arcus, this alliance between Nited States, UK Australia
Speaker 4: is probably the thing that keeps Cherman Shee up the
Speaker 4: most at night. It's the thing he worries about. It's
Speaker 4: a thing that really scares him. And when you have that,
Speaker 4: you have deterrence, and if you have deterrence, you don't
Speaker 4: have war.
Speaker 3: And you're confident Donald Trump would be committed to ORCUS
Speaker 3: should he become president again.
Speaker 4: I do you know, the whole idea started with Secretary Pompeo.
Speaker 4: I talked to Mike Pompeo. He talked to your Director
Speaker 4: of National Intelligence about this idea. So it's really an
Speaker 4: extension of something that started under the Trump administration.
Speaker 3: Turning to US politics domestically, you've been outspoken about the
Speaker 3: security flaws that led to the attempted assassination on Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: How concerned are you about the fact that a shooter
Speaker 3: was able to be on the roof people saw him,
Speaker 3: and action wasn't taken in time, was able to fire
Speaker 3: off shots and there was a near miss.
Speaker 4: No, Sherry, I went out to the site right after.
Speaker 4: So for one of the first members to go up
Speaker 4: on the rooftop very close. I mean it's closer than
Speaker 4: that is to us and a sniper it's an easy shot.
Speaker 4: I thank god he missed, but he was too close.
Speaker 4: He should never have been there. I think Secret Service
Speaker 4: made some fundamental mistakes, but it all goes back to
Speaker 4: the leadership within Secret Service. And also the communications with
Speaker 4: the local police.
Speaker 7: On the ground.
Speaker 4: I think it was anytime you have an attempted assassination,
Speaker 4: that is by definition of failure, and I think that
Speaker 4: was a failure.
Speaker 3: Do you think there's still a lot we don't know
Speaker 3: about what exactly unfolded on that day.
Speaker 4: I mean, we know a lot more about the individual,
Speaker 4: a deranged individual. Again, he was, for a twenty year old,
Speaker 4: pretty smart. I mean, he had a throne that he
Speaker 4: three days earlier, got an aero surveillance map of the place,
Speaker 4: He walked around, scouted it out, very methodical. I think
Speaker 4: he was startled when the local police officer climbed up
Speaker 4: on the roof and he fired a shot.
Speaker 7: Maybe it's too.
Speaker 4: Hastily for him, and that probably saved the present's life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable. We've seen this.
Speaker 3: We've seen quite a dramatic reinvention of Kamala Harris. She
Speaker 3: wasn't considered it particularly capable VP. Now people are as
Speaker 3: excited about her, or the left leading media are at
Speaker 3: least as they were about Barack Obama. What do you
Speaker 3: make of this transformation virtually overnight.
Speaker 7: Well, to me, it's kind of Hollywood.
Speaker 4: It's like a reinvention of her, and I'm sure the
Speaker 4: Obama machine is behind this to make her look like
Speaker 4: a new attractive candidate. But where's she been the last
Speaker 4: three four years? And what has she done? She has
Speaker 4: no record. In fact, the only responsibility job responsibility she
Speaker 4: had was the borders are which she failed miserably. And
Speaker 4: I think that issue in America is going to drive
Speaker 4: the selection.
Speaker 2: And she's avoiding media interviews of course.
Speaker 4: Of course, I think she's a little bit ahead in
Speaker 4: the poor so why expose yourself? And you remember during COVID,
Speaker 4: Biden didn't really have to come out of the.
Speaker 3: Basement a whole wise, so we had the excuse of
Speaker 3: the pandemic.
Speaker 2: That excuse isn't isn't there?
Speaker 7: Now? That's right, that's right, and she should I just want.
Speaker 3: To ask you about the Israel Hamas war. Are you
Speaker 3: concerned that we have seen this reluctance by the United
Speaker 3: States to wholeheartedly support Israel? You know, I mentioned Biden's
Speaker 3: refusal to hand over some weapons.
Speaker 2: Israel is under threat on all sides.
Speaker 3: Yes, Iran's behind it, but Hesbelah Hamas who the rebels?
Speaker 2: Do you think the.
Speaker 3: US should be stronger in its support of its closest
Speaker 3: ally in the Middle East.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've always felt that way.
Speaker 4: I think this is not you know, this is not
Speaker 4: just Hamas has Houthi rebels. This is really a conflict
Speaker 4: to fight between Iran and Israel in any daylight between
Speaker 4: the United States, you know, Israel's greatest ally partner, exposes
Speaker 4: them to the bigger threat. They've withheld My administration's withheld weapons.
Speaker 4: I signed off on all four military sales, including the
Speaker 4: Aucus sales here, and they held them up, they stole them.
Speaker 4: That's a danger signal to our allies, and it worries me.
Speaker 4: And I think there's a narrative out there. If you
Speaker 4: look at the younger generation, the only news they have
Speaker 4: is primarily tik tak, which we know is driven by algorithms.
Speaker 4: They're driven by China, Russian Iran, so all they see
Speaker 4: is the Palestinian plight. Well, I'm very empathetic to them, but.
Speaker 7: We need to finish this and move on to the normalization.
Speaker 4: Any talks of ceasefire, while it sounds great, it remains
Speaker 4: it keeps Sinewar in power, Hamas in power, and this
Speaker 4: cannot uh, this cannot be finalized until Hamas is out
Speaker 4: of power.
Speaker 2: We need it.
Speaker 3: There needs to be a new governing body in Gaza
Speaker 3: to move forward for the wall to.
Speaker 7: End for the Palestinians.
Speaker 4: I've talked to the Saudi's very extensively about this. Uh,
Speaker 4: They're in the best position to form a governance for
Speaker 4: the Palestinians, but we can't get to the normalization.
Speaker 3: You've spoken to them about helping with the process after.
Speaker 7: The war, Oh, yeah, one hundred percent. They are very engaged.
Speaker 7: They're keenly interested.
Speaker 4: They want to be a part of a new Middle East,
Speaker 4: a normalization that involves the reconstruction that they would in
Speaker 4: most part fund, but also most importantly, a security alliance
Speaker 4: between the United States, Israel, and the Saudist.
Speaker 7: We haven't seen anything like this. Well.
Speaker 4: The Abraham Accords were a big step forward Jordan and Egypt,
Speaker 4: very courageous, but this would be a game changer in
Speaker 4: the Middle East that could finally bring peace. But we
Speaker 4: can't get to that point, Cheery, until Hamas is over.
Speaker 4: The parallels between the late nineteen thirties and today are
Speaker 4: very real. History does repeat itself, and I don't want
Speaker 4: it to repeat itself.
Speaker 7: From the Pacific.
Speaker 3: Do you mean in terms of anti Semitism or global volatility.
Speaker 2: It's repeating itself.
Speaker 4: I think in terms of World War you know, we
Speaker 4: haven't seen a threat to Europe the size since World
Speaker 4: War Two, even according to your Director of National Intelligence,
Speaker 4: we haven't seen a threat like this to the Pacific
Speaker 4: since World War Two.
Speaker 7: And now we have the Middle East on fire with.
Speaker 3: The I told and Iran is clearly emboldened.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent because of Afghanistan, because of the failures
Speaker 4: to put sanctions on China, who have re vitalized the
Speaker 4: Russian military. When they see weakness, our enemies become empowered
Speaker 4: and they feel embolden right now. And that's why President
Speaker 4: She's being so aggressive. He's in bolden. I asked a
Speaker 4: president Marcus and the Philippines, why do you think he's
Speaker 4: doing this because he feels emboldened now? And it's because
Speaker 4: we're not projecting power and strength rather weakness.
Speaker 7: And historically Chamberlain did this with Hitler.
Speaker 4: Hitler laughed at him, said, one worth the papers written
Speaker 4: on Churchill came in Appeasement doesn't work.
Speaker 7: Churchill projected power.
Speaker 4: Churchill told my president at that time, Roosevelt, that it
Speaker 4: was the unnecessary war because it could have been prevented
Speaker 4: earlier on That's why I'm here to provide deterrence to.
Speaker 7: Come with China.
Speaker 3: Michael McCall a pleasure to speak with you.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 7: Thanks sure, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Thank you all right, And that was US Congressman Michael McCall.
Speaker 2: Still to come. Peter Darton accuses Zari.
Speaker 3: Stegel of being a Green in disguise after she accused
Speaker 3: him of racism. Julian Lisa will be on the show
Speaker 3: after this quick break.
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
Speaker 3: Well, let's return to the Peter Dutton pylon that reached
Speaker 3: fever pitch in Parliament today with Zarie Stegel branding him
Speaker 3: a racist.
Speaker 2: Have a look.
Speaker 6: And we hurt you in silence.
Speaker 9: You can hear me in silence or stop being raced
Speaker 9: the opposition.
Speaker 3: Well, Peter Dutton also had a crack against Zarie Stegel
Speaker 3: on t GB today.
Speaker 2: Have a look.
Speaker 6: Well, it probably doesn't come as any surprise.
Speaker 4: I mean, people who know Zaralie Stegel know that she's
Speaker 4: really green and they hold these extreme views.
Speaker 3: To discuss this issue, let's bring in now liberal MP
Speaker 3: Julian Lisa.
Speaker 2: Julian, great to have you back.
Speaker 12: Wonderful to be here.
Speaker 3: What do you think of that accusations that we saw
Speaker 3: today from several politicians accusing Peter Dutton of racism and
Speaker 3: then again the media supported it saying.
Speaker 7: He was heartless.
Speaker 12: Well, I think this is just completely false. Peter Dutton
Speaker 12: is not a racist. What he's asked for is a
Speaker 12: pause in Australia refuge at taking people from a war zone.
Speaker 12: And he's asked us to have a pause of this
Speaker 12: because we need to establish where the people who are
Speaker 12: coming from this war zone in Gaza are a security
Speaker 12: threat and I have no confidence that what the government
Speaker 12: has done actually establishes that we don't have any security
Speaker 12: threats here. We want to make sure that there is
Speaker 12: not a single HMAS supporter that is coming to Australia
Speaker 12: as part of as part of the cohort that we're
Speaker 12: taking in and that's what Peter Dutton's asking for, that
Speaker 12: we implement orthodox security checking processes and take a pause
Speaker 12: while that happens.
Speaker 3: Look, there was this suggestion that this was some haptains
Speaker 3: call by Peter dart in the implication beg that not
Speaker 3: all of the party room was behind him. Did anyone disagree.
Speaker 12: With him that you know of well, can I say
Speaker 12: I think the party room thoroughly supports Peter Dutton on this.
Speaker 12: I support Peter Dutton very strongly. Earlier in the week
Speaker 12: I arranged for a letter to be signed by eighty
Speaker 12: Coalition MPs and several cross benches to Tony Burke. We
Speaker 12: wanted to make sure in this letter that Tony Burke
Speaker 12: does not let any Hamas sympathizer into Australia and give.
Speaker 7: Them a visa.
Speaker 12: And we want to ask him to look at canceling
Speaker 12: the visas of any Hamas sympathizers. That here Hamas is
Speaker 12: a terrorist organization that we list in our own country
Speaker 12: and letting even one Hamas sympathizer into this country makes
Speaker 12: Australia less safe. Is the duty of the government to
Speaker 12: keep Australian safe and if they are letting in Hamas sympathizers,
Speaker 12: they are making Australia less safe.
Speaker 3: There seems to be and it must be government policy.
Speaker 3: That Mike Burgess articulated in the interview on Insiders that
Speaker 3: they were trying to separate rhetorical support for hama Us
Speaker 3: from ideological support from Hermas. Do you see rhetorical support
Speaker 3: for Hermus being less dangerous or less less threatening when
Speaker 3: it comes to our social cohesion.
Speaker 12: I see any support for Hermas as being dangerous for Australia.
Speaker 12: Hamas is a terrorist organization that we list in this
Speaker 12: country as a terrorist organization.
Speaker 7: We list it in order.
Speaker 12: To discourage Australians from associating or supporting it in any way.
Speaker 12: Other terrorist organizations we list include Islamic State and Al
Speaker 12: kaider and Hesbella. Can you imagine Australia during previous wars
Speaker 12: letting in people who say I'm a supporter of Al
Speaker 12: Kaieda or Islamic State is doing a good job.
Speaker 3: We wouldn't do that, and having the government say, oh,
Speaker 3: it's just rhetorical.
Speaker 2: That comes down to anti Semitos.
Speaker 6: I think it does.
Speaker 12: Sharry once again, there's a double standard where it comes
Speaker 12: to the protection of Australian's Jewish background. There's a double
Speaker 12: standard when it comes to dealing with Israel, and because
Speaker 12: Hamas and Hezbollah are the two organizations that are most
Speaker 12: strongly targeting Israel at the moment, in particular Harmas in Gaza,
Speaker 12: there's just this double standard that's applying. And I think
Speaker 12: the government should adopt the Orthodox process with dealing with
Speaker 12: these terroists the process that Peter Dutton adopted. The most
Speaker 12: experienced parliamentary when it comes to national security in the
Speaker 12: Parliament today, he knows this portfolio inside out, unlike those
Speaker 12: l plate ministers like Andrew Giles and Tiny Burke, who
Speaker 12: on both their watchers have stuffed up the migration program
Speaker 12: and reduced public confidence in the security of this country.
Speaker 3: We also saw the Prime Minister seriously misquote the Director
Speaker 3: General of Asia today. Let's have a look at what
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister claimed Mike Burgess had said.
Speaker 5: I'll refer to what the ASIO Director General himself has said.
Speaker 5: If they've been issued a visa, they've gone through the process,
Speaker 5: they're referred to my organization and Asia does it seems.
Speaker 3: But in fact, as I've showed you already, he cut
Speaker 3: that quote in half. Here is what Mike Burgess actually said.
Speaker 8: So for all immigration, including when you're balancing humanitarian needs,
Speaker 8: security checks are critically important. There are process in place,
Speaker 8: and I can assure your audience that when things get
Speaker 8: referred to Asia, we deal with them effectively. Of course,
Speaker 8: there might be times when they didn't get referred to
Speaker 8: us in time, once we become aware of them, we're
Speaker 8: able to do the assessments and deal with them effectively.
Speaker 3: So he's been careful with his words, Julian, but he
Speaker 3: very clearly said cases when they don't get referred to
Speaker 3: us in time, meaning the people already in Australia, and
Speaker 3: Tony Burker said no one's going to be sent back.
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
Speaker 12: What the Prime Minister was implying today in question time
Speaker 12: was that everyone gets referred to Asia and that's just
Speaker 12: not the case. And I think the Director General of
Speaker 12: Security was very clear in stating the position on the weekend.
Speaker 12: And I think mister Alberizi should apologize for misleading the
Speaker 12: Parliament and he should apologize for misrepresenting the Director General
Speaker 12: of Security.
Speaker 3: I keep playing that clip. I played it tonight Alberanizi.
Speaker 3: It wasn't even when he was a student. He was
Speaker 3: already in canber he was already in Feredil politics, tendred
Speaker 3: of pro Palestinian anti Israel rally. He was yelling into
Speaker 3: the megaphone and at that rally rally, and actually Criiche
Speaker 3: has reported this, there was an American an Israeli flag burned.
Speaker 2: It was held outside the US Embassy in Sydney. At
Speaker 2: the time it was in Martin Place. What do you
Speaker 2: think about this history and.
Speaker 3: How this influences the Prime Minister who's meant to govern
Speaker 3: for all Australians today.
Speaker 12: I'll show you're right to remind people of the Prime
Speaker 12: Minister's history on this. He has been a supporter of
Speaker 12: the Palestinian cause for a long time, and he has
Speaker 12: attended rallies where flags have been burnt and awful things
Speaker 12: have been chanted. But he's now the Prime Minister and
Speaker 12: it's time that he stepped up and governed for all
Speaker 12: Australians and protected all Australians from terrorist threats here in
Speaker 12: this country. It is a disaster that on his watch
Speaker 12: the terrorism threat has been lifted from possible to probable,
Speaker 12: and in such circumstances that he's taking such a lackadaisical
Speaker 12: attitude to our national security in not clearly preventing people
Speaker 12: who are sympathizers for Hamas coming to this country and
Speaker 12: being given the greatest thing that we can offer people
Speaker 12: a ticket, a visa, a chance for a new life.
Speaker 2: Just very quickly.
Speaker 3: Do you think there is a contradiction in government policy
Speaker 3: from Australian laws Hermas prescribed terror organization. It is against
Speaker 3: the law to support HAMAS. You can be prosecuted for
Speaker 3: being a member of HAMAS in Australia. Yet the current
Speaker 3: government policy, as articulated by Mike Bogess, is that sympathizers
Speaker 3: can come to Australia. So is this a bit of
Speaker 3: a legal contradiction here where potentially the policy might be
Speaker 3: against the law.
Speaker 12: Well, you're right to point that out, and that's the
Speaker 12: reason why we write the letter to Tanney Burke this week,
Speaker 12: because we said to him we want you to direct
Speaker 12: your agencies to ensure that the policy is clear. That
Speaker 12: the policy is that if you are a supporter of HAMAS,
Speaker 12: a list of terrorist organization in this country, or any
Speaker 12: other listed terrorist organization, you don't get a visa. And
Speaker 12: if you hear supporting terrorist organizzations and you're on a visa,
Speaker 12: that visa should be canceled.
Speaker 3: Julian Lisa, thank you very much for all your strong
Speaker 3: work for organizing that petition which then obviously led to
Speaker 3: Peter dut and making those remarks.
Speaker 2: So thank you very much for your time as well.
Speaker 12: Thanks Sherry.
Speaker 2: Now still to come.
Speaker 3: The Olympic boxer accused of being a man files a
Speaker 3: bullying complaint against JK Rowling and Elon Musk. Tom Slater
Speaker 3: would join me to discuss after this break well, controversial
Speaker 3: Olympic champion boxer Immain Califf has filed a cyber bullying
Speaker 3: complaint with Paris prosecutors after that explosive gender row named
Speaker 3: in the lawsuit none other than JK Rowling and Elon
Speaker 3: Musk over their tweets on the matter. Let's bring in
Speaker 3: now the UK Spiked online editor Tom Slater, Tom good
Speaker 3: to see you again. Look, Immain's lawyer says she was
Speaker 3: she if you can say she, I don't know, was
Speaker 3: targeted by a misogynist, racist and sexist and pain.
Speaker 2: What do you think about these claims?
Speaker 13: I think this case is a bit of a sick joke, frankly.
Speaker 13: I mean, given the fact that the reason there's been
Speaker 13: so much controversy is because whatever the specific details, what
Speaker 13: are mainly Khaliff is accused of is being a beneficiary
Speaker 13: of male puberty people suspect having a developmental sexual disordered
Speaker 13: or not, and like CASTERI Semnia and therefore it being
Speaker 13: wildly unfair, not to mention dangerous for Mini Clive to
Speaker 13: be competing against women who shall we say, haven't experienced
Speaker 13: that privilege, but now there to be these accusations of
Speaker 13: bullying towards people who just pointed this out said it
Speaker 13: was terribly unfair. As I said, I think it's a
Speaker 13: bit of a sick joke. Frankly, if we're going to
Speaker 13: talk about anyone being bullied in this situation, it's the
Speaker 13: various female athletes, not just in the boxing category, but
Speaker 13: many more who have found themselves not only pushed out
Speaker 13: of their own sports by people, whether they're transgender or
Speaker 13: other advantages, shall we say, and then not only that,
Speaker 13: not really being allowed to complain about it, being accused
Speaker 13: of being transphobic and romans for doing so. Those are
Speaker 13: the people should we should be focusing on, not this
Speaker 13: particular now Olympic champion who is thrying a hissy fit
Speaker 13: over people rightly criticizing what we all saw at the
Speaker 13: Olympics there.
Speaker 2: Well, what do you think about the lawsuit though?
Speaker 3: Do you think this complaint to the Paris prosecutor could
Speaker 3: actually have any impact as Elon Musk or JK Rowling
Speaker 3: need to worry about protecting their millions.
Speaker 13: I think it's a stunt more than anything else. Dare
Speaker 13: I say to be so cynical. I mean, the idea
Speaker 13: that Elon Musk or JK Rowling are going to be
Speaker 13: extradited from their respective countries in order to stand trial
Speaker 13: for their alleged role in cyberbullying this individual, I think
Speaker 13: is for the birds. But you know, it keeps the
Speaker 13: story in the headlines, It keeps this victimhood narrative going,
Speaker 13: and I dare say it's more about that than it
Speaker 13: is about anyone having their day in court.
Speaker 7: Here.
Speaker 3: Look, an eleven year old girl has been stabbed in
Speaker 3: a daylight attack in London. This is an Australian girl.
Speaker 3: Now confirmation that she is Australian. She suffered serious but
Speaker 3: thankfully not life threatening injuries. Tom, what do we know
Speaker 3: about what happened here in the alleged attacker?
Speaker 13: This is absolutely horrifying. I mean, the suspect who has
Speaker 13: been arrested is awaiting trial. All we know is that
Speaker 13: he's Romanian national, he was of no fixed address, and
Speaker 13: the attack seems entirely random. I mean, got this poor
Speaker 13: girl and a headlock stabbed her to a neck. Injuries
Speaker 13: to her neck and a face and her shoulder eight
Speaker 13: times eight injuries inflicted upon her and I think it's
Speaker 13: a horrifying indication of where law and order in this
Speaker 13: country is going. Obviously, whenever you see mindless violence like this,
Speaker 13: it's horrendous, But when it's something which is inflicted on
Speaker 13: someone who is visiting the capital, as this young girl was,
Speaker 13: I mean, it really has that extra level of shame
Speaker 13: for how the police and the authorities have let things
Speaker 13: get to this thing.
Speaker 3: And people get more and more angry. Yet you've got
Speaker 3: this free speech censorship coming through at the moment in
Speaker 3: the UK.
Speaker 2: Do you think this is a trend.
Speaker 3: That we all need to be worried about, including us
Speaker 3: in Australia.
Speaker 13: I'm always struck by how so many Western countries are
Speaker 13: all sliding down this road to censorship at the moment.
Speaker 13: I mean across the piece, particularly governments that think of
Speaker 13: themselves of centrist or progressive or even liberal, are embracing
Speaker 13: the most authoritarian ideas imaginable. And to those who might
Speaker 13: not have been paying attention to the Minutira, I mean
Speaker 13: we now have a government which is talking about reviving
Speaker 13: a law, a provision within a piece of law to
Speaker 13: make social media companies clamp down on speech. Legal but harmful.
Speaker 3: It's just it's completely absurd. Tom say thank you so
Speaker 3: much for joining us. Great to have you on again,
Speaker 3: and thank you very much for your company this week.
Speaker 2: I'll see you Monday at eight.
Speaker 3: And right now, here's Paul Mary